President Obama to Health Care Reform Opponents: Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness

So now I’m going to have ACORN, SEIU, Organizing for America, and religious leaders knocking on my door to “spread the truth”? Why are the president and members of Congress having such a hard time getting the truth across to us?
I’m going back to the “Language Watch” post. I don’t like this one. Ugh.

Calling your opponents sinners isn’t exactly elevating the conversation. When is the left finally going to disavow this guy?

This is a surprise? The opponents are paid to lie, paid to pretend to be outraged… basically they are just hack streetwalkers.

Just curious: was Rev. Wright or Rev. Moss on the conference call?

“You know, my faith is one that admits doubt.” ~ Obama
Obama tells religious leaders, “I want you to argue with them and get in their face!”

Some of you guys come across as just plain evil. Sad, sad, sad.

What is wrong with the media. We need to know what is in the bill. Read it, have experts explain it. Obama will say whatever we want to hear to get it passed. This could break the country. Why not explain the truth. We do not need someone just putting generalizations out there. If you like your health care, nothing going to change, right?????? I don’t think so.
Too much, too fast. We need to work on our economy first. We need to make the changes on Medicaid to get the fraud out. If we know what and how to do it, why has it not already been done? The government cannot get anything done. Too much corruption, creed and stupidy. Nothing ever changes.

I wonder if any of these religious people understand that abortion is IN the health care package labled under “Women’s Reproductive Services” which, according to Obama, “will cover ALL the needs of women”!! Wonder if the Catholic church was in on this meeting! Somewhere in this package may be hidden an illegal alien “catch” phrase!!

I still haven’t heard one actual offering of tort reform to be added to this bill. Even a high cap on punitive damages would be a help. Or a patient consent form limiting punative damages in return for reduced cost, with private insurers.

Obama has let the messiah thing go to his head. I guess when you are god it only makes sense to judge others.
Really, is this the best strategy he can come up with? Calling people names and hoping they will just swallow a his lies on a government take over of healthcare that could directly affect the very lives of their children and themselves?

“Yeah, and Obama is a false prophet, if not a false messiah. He is also an idiotic moron who can’t seem to learn when to simply shut up without the aid of telepromter!”
And here everybody’d thought the Anti-Christ would be … well-spoken and persuasive, instead of hectoring and snotty.
The Anti-Christ was supposed to be ATTRACTIVE. Obama’s just … creepy.

Obama can just do what Bush did… “I don’t give a crap what anyone thinks, I am going to do what I want when I want”… but no, he reaches out to try to get you to understand, but you still act like drama queens over something so simple. So he takes the next step… ask the churches to help them… most are behind him on this because they read the bill and see nothing you people want to see… nor do I. This bill has nothing to do with you unless you less fortunate and can’t afford healthcare or do not have healthcare. It is your Government doing its job and taking care of its people. It is not North Korea trying to take you over. Get a grip people, open your ears and start paying attention to the facts.

Do you people realize how insane you sound on this site. You really can’t possibly be this bad. if you are we are all in trouble.

Lisa,
There’s a 1986 law that forces hospitals to provide ER care at no cost to anyone who shows up, regardless of their citizenship. That law has not been repealed in the proposed bill. So the illegals will continue to be a drain on the resources available to health care.
Hospitals are also NOT reimbursed at all for what they spend on free medical care to illegals.
– From Wikipedia:
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
EMTALA applies to “participating hospitals”, i.e., those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program. However, in practical terms, EMTALA applies to virtually all hospitals in the U.S., with the exception of the Shriners Hospitals for Children, Indian Health Service hospitals, and Veterans Affairs hospitals. The combined payments of Medicare and Medicaid, $602 billion in 2004,[1] or roughly 44% of all medical expenditures in the U.S., make not participating in EMTALA impractical for nearly all hospitals. EMTALA’s provisions apply to all patients, and not just to Medicare patients.[2][3]
The cost of emergency care required by EMTALA is not directly covered by the federal government. Because of this, the law has been criticized by some as an unfunded mandate.[4] Similarly, it has attracted controversy for its impacts on hospitals, and in particular, for its possible contributions to an emergency medical system that is “overburdened, underfunded and highly fragmented”.[5] More than half of all emergency room care in the U.S. now goes uncompensated. Hospitals write off such care as charity or bad debt for tax purposes. Increasing financial pressures on hospitals in the period since EMTALA’s passage have caused consolidations and closures, so the number of emergency rooms is decreasing despite increasing demand for emergency care.[6] There is also debate about the extent to which EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.
–Wikipedia

Trish:”What is wrong with the media. We need to know what is in the bill. Read it, have experts explain it.”
They have. Start reading all those boring little sections that have factcheck in the title.
“Why not explain the truth. We do not need someone just putting generalizations out there.”
The opposition to healthcare condemn it for being 1000 pages – too detailed – and you condemn them for putting out just generalizations? Come on. And again, read the fact checks. 90% of what the White House has been putting out IS the truth.
“If you like your health care, nothing going to change, right?????? I don’t think so.”
Could you specifically cite what part of the CBO analysis supporting the contention that the vast majority of people will see no change (90% of workers will still have their private insurance by 2019)?
“Too much, too fast. We need to work on our economy first.”
Getting medical costs under control IS working on our economy. We spend trillions more than other nations on a per person for healthcare. There is no clear data supporting that we are getting anything better for paying twice as much. Where do you think that money comes from?
“We need to make the changes on Medicaid to get the fraud out. If we know what and how to do it, why has it not already been done?”
IT HAS BEEN DONE. For goodness sake, this is one of the few areas that Bush and the Republican Congress were pretty effective. You’re reciting a decade old bumper sticker. Fraud levels in Medicaid and Medicare are now estimated to be LOWER than fraud of private insurers.

tanarg:”There’s a 1986 law that forces hospitals to provide ER care at no cost to anyone who shows up, regardless of their citizenship.”
Would you prefer that illegal aliens be literally left to die on the doorstep of hospitals? Would you at least be humane and let the security guards shoot them to put them out of their misery?

@tenarg,
Very good infomation that you have provided. It is the same points that I have wanted to discuss.
But are people understanding any of this from a real world prospective to be complaining about whether our monies pay for healthcare or medicines of illegal immigrants.
Currently, they pay for by way of taxation to give “Humanitarian Assistance” to foreign countries and foreign people all over the world. And millions of taxpayers dollars on buildings, prisons, medical facilities in these foreign countries that we don’t benefit from in any aspect.
So, my question to these people complaining or concerned about uncompensated healthcare cost and treatment of the poor or illegal immigrants is “Shouldn’t we have a little “humanitarian assistance” backup plan for people living in our States and America if we don’t cry over being taxed to help other countries with food, medicine, hurricane and natural diaster relief????
I am just saying !!!!!

Non-profit insurance companies already exist, as do insurance co-ops. The problem is that government decides who can sell what, in which states. With over 1000 insurance companies we would have more than enough competition if the government would just get out of the way.
Tort reform has brought Obstetricians back to life in Texas in large numbers. They’re practically out of business here in New Jersey sue to skyrocketing insurance fees. John Edwards single-handedly shut down the OB’s in N. Carolina.

Mr. Obama calls those of us who are against his nebulous reform bill sinners, racists, nazis, hard core right wing supporters. I’m worried he has lost his mind. I heard Jenny Sanford speak of the hubris of some politicians. Obama you take the cake bud. I expect we will see you soon with Koran in hand, claiming to be Allah himself, reincarnate.

The US health care system is a joke.
Those who have jobs and get health care from a group employee plan are lucky.
Those who are self employed and have to pay all their own insurance premiums are screwed
My wife and I are in our 60′s
We are self employed
My wife has a pacemaker
I am in good health
We have Blue Shield
The most affordable policy we could find at our age was their PPO 4000/8000 plan
Our monthly premiums are $915 per month..
Our deductible is $4000 per year per person.
So basically we are “self insured” since we pay at least $15,000 per person per year for insurance premiums and health care before we can get a dime of help from Blue Shield.
I’ve tried everything I can think of to get our premiums down. Even looked into a small group plan.
It’s gotten to the point that we’ve started going abroad for medical care
For the past 4 years we’ve been saving up all our medical and dental problems and making a 3 week visit to a Thai hospital where the care is excellent and the cost…just a fraction of what I would have to pay out of pocket in the US. For example, last November I had an Endoscopic balloon dilation for a condition known as dysphagia. The specialist in the US said the operation would cost me $2500. (His bill for the 15 minute consultation was $250.) I decided to wait until I got to Thailand and had it done in at Chulalonkorn public hospital…cost $100 including biopsy, (all I needed for ID was my US passport. No questions asked!!)
It’s sad that we have to go overseas for affordable health care while other people get affordable health care just because they work for someone else.

Yes, thats what the 9th commandment says. The 8th commandment says”thou shalt not steal”….from the rich to give the poor health care, even if they dont want it. Pslams 37:21 says” The wicked borrows, and never pays again” and to sum it up Proverbs 16:12 says”It is a hateful thing for kings(or presidents) to commit wickedness; for the throne is established by righteousness.” Surely Obama is the most ‘pro abortion’ president in history with 4000+ babies a day being killed.

PLEASE…if we’re going to debate…can WE at least be honest about it? 1.Whatever the government TELLS you it’s going to cost…multiply by 10.
2. Any aspect of the bill that is not CURRENTLY clearly defined (i.e rationing for the elderly and chronocially ill who WASTE 80% of our healtcare dollars) will be defined later. (when we are out of money) (see point #1…) etc. etc.

“Surely Obama is the most ‘pro abortion’ president in history with 4000+ babies a day being killed.”
Huh?
The abortion rate shot up during the Bush years thanks to the idiocy of abstinence only sex ed.

Obama already said he was going to cover illegals in the Curic interview for the “children” he said. Then he talked about making illegals legal–(he wants them to vote him anyways and help get rid of the 2 term limits.) Boy Obama is a lying dog like no other.

Who said he or she wants single payer?
Obama, Frank, Weiner, Schiakowski
I have them all in their own quotes.
Who exactly is bearing false witness?
Who do we believe- them or our lying eyes?

“Weiner says single payer.
Barney Frank says single payer and public option is the best way to get there.
Schiakowski wants to kill of insurance companies.”
Why stop there?
HR 676 has 96 cosponsors.

Hillary Clinton was 100 % right about the fight for health care reform. The greedy special interests will put out every lie and every dirty trick to preserve the status quo and their massive profits at our expense. She found that out the hard way – Obama is just starting to get it. It is worth it to the fatcats to invest in a huge disinformation blitz now to protect the huge sums they make by jacking up premiums, withholding coverage and their other tricks.

Ryan C – The abortions actually went down during the Bush years. Just had to check it out since you are so partisan. Basically one can not believe a word you say.

I can’t believe that BO is accusing people of false witness since he and his administration can’t even make up their minds about what the healthcare policy looks like. Kathryn Sebelius herself because of the opposition to the end of life counseling that was being taken off the table. Therefore, it must have been on the table before.
As to changing the US healthcare, I saw ABC news tonight saying how people are living longer thanks to advances in Healthcare. Do we really want the government to mess that up? Let the doctors be the doctors and let the politicians do what they do.
I do agree that something has to be done to regulate prices of healthcare but tort reform would be all that was needed and less expensive for taxpayers.

Obama’s EXACT words:
“I happen to be a propronent of a single payer universal health care plan”
2003
EXACT WORDS

This coming from a man that regularly lies to the whole country.
He lied to get elected and he is still lying.
Thankfully America is beginning to see
who he really is–too bad they didn’t see it before Nov. 4th…

Obama needs some serious psychological counseling.
A thug and bully that regularly tries to coerce and intimidate just to get his way–is trying to look like a saint?
How does he sleep at night unless he has no conscience.

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Dear President Obama,
The Bible teaches that CHRISTIANS should care for one another – not the GOVERNMENT, but you wouldn’t know that.
Considering how wide the gap is between what you stand for and the teaching in the Bible, you fit the description provided by the apostle Paul in his second letter to Timothy. Paul says “men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” Your position on abortion, homosexuality and other issues (and your own mocking of the Bible), fits the description. And Pauls calls these people “evil men and impostors.”
Spurgeon wrote “It were a sad dishonour to a child of God to be the world’s favourite. It is a very ill omen to hear a wicked world clap its hands and shout ‘Well done’ to the Christian man.”
Regards,
An orginary citizen
(or what you would call an astroturf right-wing extremist)

drjohn:”Obama’s EXACT words:
“I happen to be a propronent of a single payer universal health care plan”
2003
EXACT WORDS”
Has he ever denied those words? Bush was a big proponent of an hour of exercise a day, it doesn’t mean he was sneaking into Congress to write a law requiring it.

drjohn, did you even see the election?
Single payer was not then, nor is it now, Obama’s platform.
Sure, he once said he favors it, and recently even admitted that it makes more sense than what he’s asking for now.
The problem isn’t the left. The problem is the right, screaming that its a government takeover of health care. That may be what the left wants, but it isn’t what Obama is offering.
Any confusion on this matter is coming from the dunderheads on the right who are quite confused on the matter.
On the other hand, there are some confused liberals as well. I remember arguing this point with some Bill Clinton for President supporters, who were trying to convince me that he also wanted health care for all. They were full of it too.

Aaron, the Bible also says that football is wrong. How come we don’t hear alot of whining about that?

Insruance companies are the obstacle for the free market to operate. Let demand and supply rule. There does not need to be anybody between customer and provider. Third parties spoil the market. Abolish Insurance companies

if you were on the side of the truth
Posted by: Ed Taylor
‘ on the side of the truth’…
my friend,.. much of the worst violence and most heinous crimes throughout history were committed by those who had the ‘truth’ on their side…

Wow, how low can you go, Mr. Obama? So know it’s your “come to Jesus” moment? You will use anyone for political expediency. And you Libs who voted Mr. Change in, where is your outrage at his use of religion? He has invoked religion more than Bush, all in the name of trying to pass POLITICAL POLICIES. Now if that’s not mixing politics and religion, I don’t know what is. Hypocrisy knows no end in this Administration. This will be a long 4 years.

Each day more people come to distrust the President and his congressional accomplices. Regaining trust is very difficult. If you doubt that, ask a man who suffered a similar fate, George W. Bush. What is remarkable, though, in the case of Obama is how fast the American people are giving up on him.

Gregory wrote: “Wait a minute, I thought the bill did include health care for illegals according to Nancy Pelosi. She said it would include everyone including those here illegally.”
That’s odd. She told CNN on July 26th, “No, illegal immigrants
are not covered by this plan.”
Can you provide an exact quote in which Pelosi says illegals would be covered?

Gregory wrote: “Wait a minute, I thought the bill did include health care for illegals according to Nancy Pelosi. She said it would include everyone including those here illegally.”
That’s odd. She told CNN on July 26th, “No, illegal immigrants
are not covered by this plan.”
Can you provide an exact quote in which Pelosi says illegals would be covered?
Posted by: WWW | Aug 20, 2009 2:07:36 AM
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Why would Pelosi say something like that? Enough on the misinformation and made up quotes:
From Politifact, under the heading “No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill”
“. . .One of its most bizarre claims is the one about free health care for noncitizens, “illegal or not.”
We read the bill and its legislative summary, and could find nothing about free health care for anyone, much less noncitizens.
To confirm our examination, we turned to Jennifer Tolbert, an independent health care analyst at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan foundation that studies health care reform. Tolbert has read and analyzed all the major health proposals, including those of the Republicans, and the foundation provides point-by-point analyses of the plans on its Web site.
“No one’s provided with free health care. That’s ridiculous,” she said.
Page 50, which the e-mail references, is part of Section 152, which includes a generic nondiscrimination clause saying that insurers may not discriminate with regard to “personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.”
The section says nothing about “non-US citizens” or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that “undocumented aliens” will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.
The bottom line here is the e-mail is making things up. The bill does not say anything close to “All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services.” We rate this chain e-mail statement Pants on Fire”
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As for appealing to morality, it totally makes sense to me to talk to faith leaders about truth, being our brothers’ and sisters’ keepers, and so on, using religious texts to tailor the message.

EXACT WORDS
Posted by: drjohn | Aug 19, 2009 11:08:50 PM
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As others have acknowledged, the President has definitely said that if he could start from scratch or if he was in a perfect world, he’d favor single payer. However, I think there is a BIG difference between saying(1) you favor single payer and are working toward putting that in place and (2)if you could build a system from scratch you’d favor single payer but given there’s a system in place that can do the job and many, many people who wouldn’t want to overhaul the system, you favor improving the current system. In a perfect world, I favor organic farming, legalized marijuana, walking or bicycling to work, no terrorism or violence, lots more paid vacation days and happily ever afters. In a perfect world, you may favor pure free market. We don’t live in a perfect world. I have to admit I’ve been wondering quite a lot about projection when it comes to some of the insistence on certain things that strike me as paranoid. If Obama or I or you or anybody could start from scratch there are likely things we’d do differently about Iraq, social security, banking deregulation and so on. That’s the problem with hypotheticals, IMO. Moreover, some folks seem to give no room for evolution of thought. Among Dems the President is not seen as a single payer advocate– he’s even very flexible on the public option– which is why it’s hard sometimes to understand the anger, fear and accusations from the right(at least for me.) Now, Congressman Conyers IS a leading advocate for single payer health insurance in Congress and a sponsor of the single payer bill in the House (HR 676)– and there are other single payer advocates in the Democrat party. So what? (I say that to the folks that often bring up quotes from liberal members of the House as evidence of. . . well, I’m not sure what.)
Obama said in that same oft-cited AFL-CIO speech that a single-payer system was politically untenable in America. That certainly seems to be the case, no? But does he get any credit for acknowledging that and being insightful and pragmatic? Hmmm. Not when the overarching goal is to defeat reform by nefarious means (you know, all that false witness stuff)

This just gave the pre-game shows on FoxSports a big lift: we were all just looking for a reason not to go to church anymore. Being pawns of the government isn’t what we ask for in preachers. Think of all the money we can save by not going to church. How happy your kids will be! How many liberals will lose their jobs!
New Grassroots Movement: Boycott Church, Watch football on Sunday! Yeah!

AND “THOUS SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD IN VAIN”

President Obama has become as irrelevant as President Bush managed to do in his second term…but note the difference. President Obama has done in six months what that “ignorant, unilateral, cowboy diplomat, Texas hick” managed to do in six years.
This should be a lesson for us all: smooth talking does not automatically equate to intelligence or resolve. This is Obama’s first true political test per his shallow resume, and now America seems to be paying a price for it.

“In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.” ~ Dreams of My Father

Apparently, many media outlets have proven that Obama bore FALSE WITNESS three times talking to “religious leaders”.
President Barack Obama participated in a scripted online discussion of his health care overhaul with a friendly audience of religious voters and pastors Wednesday. It ended with him bemoaning those who bear “false witness” against his plans — and then making a claim of his own that’s been widely shown to be false.
“There’s been a lot of misinformation,” Obama said, complaining about people who are “bearing false witness.”
He said the first thing he wanted to correct was the idea that the proposed overhaul would force some people into different health care plans. “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan,” he said, repeating one of his stock lines.
That’s not true, however, according to FactCheck.org, an independent truth squad run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.
“He can’t make that promise to everyone,” concluded FactCheck’s analysis, one of several that point out that the Democrats’ health care plan could lead to employers switching plans, and thus forcing their employees into different plans and perhaps to different doctors.

Now Obama has gone too far.
He has offended the non-believers.

Obama is doing his best to loose credibility day by day. This is what happens when you elect someone this inexperienced to be President.

World Vitamins Online ” Obama is doing his best to loose credibility day by day. This is what happens when you elect someone this inexperienced to be President.”———- Really? How did you come to that conclusion? Did you read the article? The only people losing credibility are those with the wild “death panel” stories, that 2 days later they back off from, or attempt to blame on the Dems! Funny, the Repubs love pulling out the Bible to bash other’s but for some reason believe it doesn’t apply to them!

What intelligent,educated and responsible adult smokes in this day and age? I mean…COME ON!If he wanted to stop he would. If he can’t stop with all of the resources he has he must have an addictive personality.

What a performance, Oscar caliber !!!

Someone should tell some of the press that when reporting the news in the first place, “Thou should not have lied” to get their guy elected. Now, some of them are starting to feel really stupid and saying “WHA!!! WHA!!!”

I guess the Obama family will be in church this Sunday.
Just to make himself look more credible
now that he is quoting the bible to save health care.
Unbelievable…literally.

HR3200, the insurance reform bill, fines businesses for offering non-public option health insurance. Title VIII, subchapter B, sec. 4376, imposes fines, to be treated as tax, and paid by employers who offer non-public option health insurance. I am a small business owner and will never be able to offer choice if this passes.

Religious or not, THINK. Taking care of those who are sick. That’s all this is. Should we take care of people who are ill? Or not? Which do you think is better?
This isn’t a religious debate.
Do we help our fellow citizens recover from illness or not?
I think we should help Americans be well.

“He can’t make that promise to everyone,” concluded FactCheck’s analysis, one of several that point out that the Democrats’ health care plan could lead to employers switching plans, and thus forcing their employees into different plans and perhaps to different doctors.
Posted by: KarenAnn | Aug 20, 2009 9:05:38 AM
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Here’s what I don’t get about that. Before I was self-employed, I worked for insurance companies and managed care companies and they were constantly tweaking the providers we could see in-network. We also lost clients and gained new ones because they changed plans, typically without asking their employees if that was okay. Before that, when I worked for other companies, they switched plans and I’ve heard that’s even more common now. So, I get what Fact Check is saying, but I think everyone with employer-based benefits has the same problem, no?

hkdakota | Aug 20, 2009 10:01:31 AM—– No, he didn’t! Sorry you can’t get it! Too much hate for no reason in your head? We pay for it! At a higher cost I might add! My insurance company will only pay so much for certain things. Participating hospitals can’t and don’t charge more. By the way I pay a very large premium every month. Those who don’t and can’t afford what I have, you pay for it! Those $15 aspirin’s etc! So busy trying to find fault and make accusations, but don’t take the time to get the facts! Pathetic!

Derrick | Aug 20, 2009 11:38:23 AM – Oh, by the way, how many lies did that whole administration tell to start that war? Do you hold them responsible for the 4000+ deaths of American solders?

Here is a president who wants to do something for the average American and what does the average ignorant American do? Oppose it. I am making now only $10/hr, my company pays my part of insurance and for my family I have to pay$92 a week. I had an infection and had to see a doctor. I have a $2500 deductible, so the visit was $357 and meds $110 which I could not afford. My mom lives in Europe and went to see a doctor and sent me the antibiotics. Is there something wrong here?????

About this comment: “The president said the bill would not provide health insurance for illegal immigrants, or as he called them, “illegal aliens.” “That’s not true. There’s a specific provision in the bill that does not provide health insurance for those individuals.”
LIE. There was a provision to exclude aliens, the Heller amendment which was VOTED down by the democrat congress! There is nothing to stop illegal aliens from getting free health care!

Saul Alinsky tactics, a huge lie is easier to pawn off than a small one…Obama is well aware of that.

Where did obama come up with this comment? His hate mongering former Rev., people who strap explosives to their bodies, or the vatican. He might want to point that comment at big Pharma and their experimenter bias.

The Bible is filled with references to helping those less fortunate than ourselves. In this case, however, the President exposes his lack of Biblical knowledge. The phrase “my brother’s keeper” is only used as Cain avoids admitting his grievous sin by saying “am I my brother’s keeper?”. That’s a long shot away from a moral (personal not governmental) obligation to provide for those in need.

Obama might need to ask for forgiveness for all the lies and his excessive pride.
But he probably feels superior to God too.

the prez is an arrogant, lying dishonest leftie abortion-touting puppet. that’s about as polite as i can b

Ace-Obama will try amnesty to help with covering the price of his baby. The vatican is really excited about this, so is the democrat base

“the prez is an arrogant, lying dishonest leftie abortion-touting puppet. that’s about as polite as i can b”
If the President is a puppet, who is the puppet-master?
Posted by: Jess Askin | Aug 20, 2009 2:23:57
That would be George Soros

If its so good why arent they on it?And hes his brothers keeper, why was his aunt living in the slum.Wow.It doesnt add up.ALL TALK.NEXTTTTTTT!!!!!

The supposedly eloquent president is guilty of a surprisingly bad malapropism — or blasphemy.

I also have a copy of the bill and I have examined the first 500 pages of lies and inuindo. Yes the illegal aliens will get free health care once they give them all aminesty. Below is what the first 500 pages really said
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Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Health card.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t’ have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

“I also have a copy of the bill and I have examined the first 500 pages of lies and inuindo.”
Don’t even go there, Eva Brown. You copied line-for-line from the bogus email that Palinistas and Limbaughers are been circulating. Go to Politifact and read what they have to say about that email.

Rudy, I listen to Rush every day. What e-mail did Eva copy from? And how does anyone know what in the bill?

Hmm, Rush Limbaugh claims Obama’s health care plan is the Conyers bill, HR 676.
Limbaugh: “Obama’s health care plan will be, one, written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it — that would be John Conyers — his health care plan will be, two, passed by Congress that has not read it; number three, signed by a president who smokes; four, funded by a Treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes; five, overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese; and, six, financed by a country that’s nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong with this?“

Once again the socialists call the truth all lies and the lies all truth.

When Palin lied by calling end of life care a “Death Panel”, the President did not act fast enough condemning her, IMO. I’m glad he spoke as he did.
I think HR 3200 is flawed. It’s vague, and there is too much wiggle room for corrupt senators to give away our money to insurance companies and HMO’s.
We need to have some intelligent discourse on the healthcare crisis. It is a very complicated problem, touching on religion, morals, finance, politics, and (the reality of) pain and death.
Calling names and screaming does not solve the problem. If you think there is no problem, please think again.
We pay more and get less than every other country in the world. 10,000 Americans lose health insurance EVERY DAY because they lose their job, or just can’t afford the insurance cost.

Personally what I would like to see is all for profit health insurance be legally changed to non-profit health insurance agencies. People should see a major cut in prices then! Secondly, I do think that the public option can coexist with non-profit health insurance. Here’s how, Anyone who buys their own insurance doesn’t pay the tax for the public option. Anyone who doesn’t buy their own insurance gets taxed for being on the public option. Why tax those who use the public option? Simple, you pay for what you use. Plus, some of those that would end up on the public option are the ones who could get insurance through their jobs but they do not elect to.

No That would be the Rothschilds.