President Obama’s “Senior” Moment?

At another point he said: “Well, first of all, another myth that we’ve been hearing about is this notion that somehow we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?”
The problem?
The AARP hasn’t endorsed any plan yet.
Obama lying again. Nice.

She should have used her questions to ask him for the lottery numbers if he was lucky enough to get a room full of people who gush when he speaks. No one actually believes that this administration didn’t manipulate the questions he was asked to they? He hasn’t faced real questions during his entire political career.

“Obama lying again. Nice.”
Maybe not. AARP has been a reliable shill for the DNC for years. While they may not ‘publicly’ endorse any single bill it is plain that they are very much in favor of whatever Obama is willing to accept.

AARP no longer stands for “American Association of Retired Persons.”

Obama seems confused and disoriented like he is some elderly inspector general.

I was at a rally in Austin TX on Sunday – there were hundreds of folks against ObamaCare and maybe 6 or so folks for it (and it was their rally).

why sould Americans feel that there won’t be “death panels” in government health-care when that’s what countries like Great Britain have with their “enlightened” health-care system.

Old joke:
How can we tell if Obama is lying again?
Look at his lips. If they’re moving, he’s lying.
Observation:
Know why Obama has a habit of publicly, and loudly, announcing that groups like AARP support his plans?
He thinks if he does this, the groups then won’t have any choice BUT to “get with the program.”

The preidebt also claimed in that townhall that doctors give diabetics amputations instead of care and advice on healthy living because the surgeon will make more money.
Breitbart has the video.

jacksmith: “More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system.”
Absolute bollocks, jack, as is most of your post. I suspect that fewer than two-thirds of Americans know what single payer health care is, but poll after poll show a majority opposed to government run health care — the inevitable result of single payer.

“You don’t see US citizens going to Canada for treatment do you?”
Actually you do.
Remember all those senior going up to Canada fro cheaper scripts.

Posted by: Ryan C | Aug 11, 2009 6:20:57 PM
“Actually you do.
Remember all those senior going up to Canada fro cheaper scripts.”
I do. The Canadian government doesn’t pay fair rates for patented drugs (reserves the ‘right’ to ignore patens in the name of public interest)…. which makes US prices higher to make up for it (so the difference is double hit).
On the other hand, once a drug patent is up, the prices are the same or better in the US. I’m on five pills a day…. And I’m able to get 90 days worth of each one for $12 without insurance (my insurance is about the same price, but I have to mail order them… which is a pain… so I just shopped around and pay out of pocket)….

It is very sad when our President feels the need to tell falsehoods to the American people. Richard Nixon resigned for doing so, out of shame.
What has happened to shame?

“Ryan, there’s a big distinction between a prescription and a treatment. Yes, Americans went to Canada to get cheaper prescription drugs.”
Medical tourism goes both ways.
Foreigners come here and American go abroad.
But you knew that.

To all of those who are saying that everyone in Europe wants to come to the United States for healthcare, I wonder how many Europeans you actually know. Due to my job, I know many and with the exception of Great Britain, which underfunds their healthcare system, every European I know would never trade the free quality healthcare they receive for the lottery that is the healthcare system in the United States. Some have even lived in the United States for many years, but won’t file for U.S. citizenship so that they will still be able to access the healthcare system in Europe. Americans need to wake up and realize that we spend twice as much on healthcare as the Europeans, but we rank number 45 in life expectancy and number and 46 in infant mortality. Come on folks, this is America. We should be number 1. What are you going to let France beat you.

Obama is essentially correct. The AARP has endorsed many aspects of each of the several plans before the Congress. If the only two players were Obama and the AARP there would be an agreed bill in 15 minutes.

Actual AARP members are terrified of this bill. But the people atop the AARP, the ones with their hands out, will take the payoffs from the Obama administration and endorse it. That is the Chicago way. I hope as many AARP members cancel their membership.

One other point of contention: when the AARP states that they endorse something what they are actually stating is that the “management” of AARP is making the endorsement, not the rank & file. AARP does not speak for more and I am sure that many, many embers feel the same way.

Nina – I am first gen American, my family is from Europe, and 95% of our relatives live throughout Europe. Sorry, but they love our health care system and many in fact try to come here for care. Not sure who you know but their experiences certainly do not match ours.

The WHO (a subset of the America-hating UN)report that ranks the US 37th out of 191 is purposefully misleading and misused.
Read the report yourself. The report looks at three areas, one of which is “responsiveness”. This area covers everthing you would expect in a rating of quality and in that area, even WHO ranked the US #1.
The overall score was brought down by something the WHO called “fairness” and cost. One cannot expect cost to be low where quality is the priority.

Gee- why would anyone be surprised?
Just another lie to go along with the other 2 or 3 thousand lies Obama has told since he began running for office.

AARP is truly worthless no matter if they go socialist or marxist. Don’t be wasting your money on that membership and, for heaven’s sake, don’t buy any of their overpriced insurance, etc. I’ve compared – they are highly overpriced. There will be death panels and birth panels in this scary, scary Obama healthcare. The poor, idiots and droolers will not be allowed to live.

I just completed a study of my own based on characteristics important to Americans and found that America ranks #1 in healthcare. Britain 45, Canada um err – 60… Shove your UN study up your you-know-what.

Obama lied and grandma died! Obama lied and grandma died! Obama lied and grandma died!

Essentially correct? In whose world?

Recently, I spent over a year living in Great Britain. Their government-run health care system is so horrible, I need a new word for ‘horrible’ to adequately describe it. Constant underfunding, strikes by doctors, nurses and hospital staff, cleanliness problems (hence their insanely high level of hospital-borne “superbugs”), waiting lists, lack of hospital beds, poor quality care…the list goes on. I loved living in the UK, but their health care system is a beaurocratic nightmare of proportions no one here can imagine. Unless Obama gets his way. Then you won’t have to imagine it. You’ll be living it. Good luck.

I’m a senior and haven’t had a “moment” for quite some time now. Will Obamacare help me ? ? ? Help me Obama, help me, help me.

This is NOT the FIRST TIME Obama has said AARP has endorsed his plan. AARP has been appearing on cable to DENY that claim… very weakly.
HOWEVER… it is obvious AARP has gotten between the sheets somehow. AARP is first and foremost an INSURANCE COMPANY and if survival becomes the question, AARP will throw a few oldsters under the bus to remain an insurer.

You can’t vote “for” AARP, but if you don’t agree with there political position you can at least change insurance agents! I switched today. They’ll feel it in their pocketpocks. Don’t think that AARP is a comunity organization…. they atre not. AARP is a business. An Insurance Agency, and a very lucrative one!

When the audience is stacked so there will be no dissent that only leaves room for approval. The real audience was not allowed in, same as Florida where the Union thugs were allowed in the side door and there was no room for real people. AARP office is denying support and I for one do not support any present proposals.

Obama lied and America and freedom died.

Obama will say anything, at any time, and reverse it tomorrow to serve his agenda.

Reminds me of what he did to the CEO of caterpillar. He stated that the ceo told him that if the stimulus passed they would rehire. Turns out Obama flat out lied about that.

The main stream meedia and Obama are together

I’d be careful of ANY-thing Obama says now- he’s already shown himself to be a shameless liar… and now he’s increasingly desperate.
Now the DNC is deploying AFL-CIO palookas while at the same time hypocritically dismissing Obamacare opponents as paid shills -even running TV ads to slander them- and delirious SanFranNan is seeing imaginary Swastikas.
This should make clear to anyone just what these power-drunk elitists think of your opinion.
Note that whenever Obama, Emanuel, or Gibbs are asked about why polls show SO many people oppose their misguided Cap-n-Trade and Obamacare proposals, they ALWAYS segue-right-into “we need to educate the public…”.
LOL- save your breath… Constitutionally-aware American patriots don’t take lectures from Marxists.

I have torn up my AARP card They are in bed with the enemy of everything our forefathers fought for to line their pockets. I know they haven’t come out in favor of this bill, but they should know enough to oppose it!

Yes invent stories with a compelling voice….works for the Pied Piper and if all else fails send the unions to take care of the unbelievers!!!! My Parents are done with the AARP!!! This time I think its the “messiah” telling the truth and the aarp double talking through forked tongue!!!

Interesting comments from the AARP.
Last month at the National Conference of State Legislatures meeting in Philadephia, the AARP had a booth set supporting health care reform.
When I stopped to ask them if the AARP was officially supporting President Obama’s health care effort, the nice AARP woman waved toward their elaborate booth and answered “absolutely”.
Delegate Tim Hugo (R-VA)

If AARP is not supporting the Health Care Plan then I’m confused. I am a member and I have gotten 3 robo calls asking me to contact my legislators telling them to vote for the plan. To make it easier, the call offered to dial the number for me! Obama has it right, the do support the Plan.

Obama said previously he was for single payer system, and now says he’s against it. Quite Kerryesque.
Everyone knows the meeting was screened and stuffed with Obama supporters, most of them probably from Massachusetts.
He is an embarrassment to our great nation.

This is simple, anyone who wants to be a socialist is free to move to a socialist country.

I am disturbed that the AARP is dancing with the President on this one. They announce that they are in favor of health care reform but not in favor of the current legislation? What kind of a wuss position is that?
They will not object to anything, but they will endorse anything?
I am sitting here with my AARP membership renewal and wondering if I should save the fee and apply it towards my future health care needs once I lose my private employer provided health care thanks to the wishy washy position of groups like AARP.
They have been ORGANIZED!

I canceled my ARRP membership 2 years ago when they starting failing the membership. I hope you Senior Citizens with ARRP will read and think really hard about if its your best choice to remain a member of a company that has taken on a role similar to the foney UNIONS thugs.
The Unions got all the money in the GM-Chrysler bankruptcky and obama and his thugs left it to the TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR THE CLEANUP OF ALL GM-CHRYSLER CONTAMINATED HAZARDOUS WASTE ABANDONed MANUFACTURING PLANTS.
nOW MURRAY, SCHUMMMMER, KERRY, KENNEDY, GEITHNER, OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY OF NO-NOACCOUNTIBILITY HOW IS THAT FOR STICKING IT TO THE TAXPAYERS. WE CAN’T AFFORD OBAMACARE AND NEITHER CAN HE.

“The White House said time and again that they weren’t pre-screening audience members. Most people we talked to got their tickets by registering with a White House lottery.”
plants? impossible. Not with a White House run lottery in place… LMAO

Did I see smoke coming out of his pants?

I think Obama needs to report himself to flag@whitehouse.gov

“Today’s town hall meeting was quite tame compared to what Democratic members of Congress have been facing in recent weeks.”
That might have something to do with the fact that they pre-selected the audience. Just as with most 0bama events, only those who would fawn and worship were permitted to enter the presence of “The One.” 0bama is a fraud and a criminal who should be arrested and imprisoned for all of the criminal activity that he has been complicit with, from voter intimidation to collecting names for an ‘enemy list’ to the intentional endangerment of our troops with orders not to fire, even if fired upon.
The Constitution spells out what we permit government to do, and dictating our health decisions is not in that list.

I’m shocked, shocked to find so many fringe right wing flat earthers on Jack Tapper’s page.

President Obama has lost all credibility on health care, and so has AARP. I’m in the process of changing over my AARP insurance and then I’m out of it.

President Obama has lost all credibility on health care, and so has AARP. I’m in the process of changing over my AARP insurance and then I’m out of it.

The only comment I have is, if the damn healthcare overhaul he is trying to sell us is so good, why do they exempt congress, the unions, and government employees from it. And if they tax premium healhcare plans, will they be paying the tax or will they be exempt from that too. And the old we can’t break a union contract is B.S. they had no problem breaking legal contracts with bond holders when they took over the Car companies

Obama sucks – and you know it !

I’m now at the age where AARP is blitzing me to join. I’ve been thinking about it but am now holding off to see if it endorses Obama’s plan. If AARP ends up endorsing, you can bet I won’t be signing up with them.

Is it just me ,but listening to president obamas trying to answer Questions about his health care plan I,m more confused than ever,

I believe Obama has not read what Congress has written on this bill.
You cannot answer questions if you do not know what is in it.
And AARP is losing many members due to this.

There is pattern here! He who called the police stupid is either a liar or plain stupid because he did not do his homework regarding AARP and his camparing businesses (UPS, FEDEX & Postal Service) that do many different things. Political office and community organizing are two different animals and perhaps that is starting to be clear!

Yesterday my neighbor and I cancelled our AARP memberships and asked to be taken off their mailing lists. Several women in my arthritis water aerobics class did the same. Also the two women who co-own the beauty shop I go to. Also my widowed brother-in-law, my brother, and my daughter, who just turned 55. AARP is definitely going to lose some money before this thing is over. I not only paid my yearly dues, but I contributed $20 here and there, whenever they asked for donations. I thought I was donating to a worthy cause.

Senior moment? At 47?
Are you ever going to be able to call this honestly?
It s another LIE.

Why does the Right hate America so much. They criticize our president during a time of war. Don’t they know that criticizing the commander and chief gives aid to our enemies and hurts our troops?
Where is the Rights patriotism and loyalty to this country.
Obama, in accordance with Bush’s statements while president, has a mandate to do what ever he see fit. If the Right doesn’t like what the president is doing they can leave.
AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We know Obama lied about AARP. What else is he lying about? My guess is: most everything else.

Mr. Obama, you are a pathetic piece of crap. Every time you tell the truth – one of your arms fall off.

AARP is largely a large insurance business. It will go with its self interest, business flow like any other business. Nothing wrong with that as long as one understands that it is not a group solely advocating for the well-being of seniors.

Obama might be more believable if his closest advisors and czars were not involved with ‘communitarianism’. Dr. Emmanuel (Rahm’s brother) explained it this way: “medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. ’96).”
If Obama gets legal authority to run your medical care this way, you better just hope you don’t become disabled in any way (or any of your children), or your parents, friends, or loved ones. Google Deadly Doctors from the New York Post to read about Obama’s ‘experts’.

Tame townhall meeting? Couldn’t be anything else since the Prez’s audience is pre-selected, and since there are armed Secret Service men all over the place. Pretty intimidating to the vocal when the White House is already encouraging snitches on health care e-mails. No one in their right mind wants to fall under the glare of the evil eye.

This was as contrived as all the other townhall meetings that Obama holds. they are normally stacked with union types and other Obama disciples. This guy couldn’t answer a truly hard question if he ever got one. He does know how to ramble on and on in order to avoid having to take a lot of questions,though. His has also mastered the arrogance and cockiness skills as well.

Obama’s critic was obviously a plant, and even then the two idiotd couldn’t get the thing right between them. What a joke.

I’m going to report this as “fishy” info about the Health Care directive.

So we should report the president to the White House’s “misinformation” center at flag@whitehouse.gov ??
Obama just made his own political enemies list, I think.

AARP lie doesn’t surprise me. Obama has lied about everything. He will do anything to get his activist socialist into power. Obama is the American Hugo Chavez geez I guess the poor are just doing great in Venezuela. Obama’s change will make the USA a third world nation.

It’s not a senior moment. Obama lies all the time and no one calls him on it.
Signing statements, transparency, lobbyists in the White House and on and on.
He knows what he’s saying.

The AARP is only in the business of selling your information. The discounts aren’t free!!!!!!!!

As one who is under Medicare, via Kaiser’s Senior Advantage, I am astonished to find polls that show that seniors are the group with the most resistance to changes in our current health care system. We are the ones with probably the best system, bar none. Does this mean that we do not want others to be as “privileged?”
More and more, it would seem that “privilege” is what many Americans fear they will lose. It is a fear that health care might actually be equally distributed. Under the current system, apparently, one in three Latinos and one in five Blacks in our country are without health care insurance, compared with only one in eight whites.
As those who would seem to have the best system available now in the country, it would seem that we seniors might be the most understanding that others simply want equal treatment. Health care reform can bring increased accessibility, accountability and affordability to all.

Teleprompter malfunction.

AARP is the Dem party of old people

I’m 65 and opted out of AARP a couple decades ago. I wanted nothing to do with AARP politics and told them so. I told them to remove me from their mailing lists permanently. So far, it’s been successful. I will take care of myself and spouse, thank you. I don’t need Obamacontrol to save me from the troll’s. adios………….

I feel somewhat trapped in by AARP as I buy my auto insurance through them and you have to have a membership to participate. Maybe next year I’ll have to shop around…

The President, probably outed AARP and the backroom deal they have already cut. They just have not released it to the press yet. He really can’t help himself, when he is extemporaneous he is dangerous to himself.

Well the one who said we shouldn’t criticize Obama during a time of war doesn’t realize we are no longer at war! Obama said so in the last couple of weeks! And as far as being unAmerican, this health care thing is unAmerican! This is a country were a person earns things by the sweat of their brow, not a government purse string (which is our own money anyways!)

How do you like me now?!

Willie, I didn’t do it you made a grave mistake

Obama will say anything.
The truth is not important to him.
9/12 – March on Washington

The claim by the government is this is supposed to reduce costs, therefore benefit everyone. Well the government already has a single payer health care system called the VA hospitals. Are they run effectively? Do they cost less to operate for the same procedures as public hospitals? Take a look at the current government supplied health care, its costs, quality of care and then contact your elected representative with your feelings. The odds are you will not want the federal government doing the same thing to you, that they have done to our veterans.

Patriots died for your freedom and liberty. The least you can do is cancel AARP.

I am an NH member of the SEIU(unfortunately). I was not there but I did get an email saying a bunch of members were invited and a box lunch would be included. They claim this health bill is part of the unions “10 year plan”.
I am not for this Health Bill and I have set in motion the cancellation of my union dues, since they choose to spend it for political purposes, which includes stomping dissenters.

A lot of people insist on trotting out life expectancy in the USA vs various European countries with socialized healthcare as a slap at our current system. Utah and Minnesota have better life expectancies than Finland? Yes they do! DC has a life expectancy worse than Morocco? Yes it does… Please read this USA Today article concerning USA life expectancy on a state-by-state basis – the graph and article breaking down the research makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR why socialized medicine in Europe works for them. (OMG! It has nothing to do with poverty either! Where will the liberals turn for blame now… oh wait, I know…).
This whole healthcare debacle is A) about bigger government and B) about re-distribution of wealth AND LIFE EXPECTANCY!!! It’s a civil right to live to 80 you know…

I think I will report Obama to the White House fishy misinformation website. Apparently he is giving misinformation out about the Healthcare proposal. He stated in the town hall meeting that AARP is in favor of the proposed healthcare program. AARP reps said on Bill O’Reilly that they are not endorsing it. We’ll show him he cannot lie to us without being reported to the fishy story website at the White House.

Yet another LIE from socialized medicine, a.k.a. ObamaCare. When will the media stop worshipping this articulate president without-a-clue?
Oops, I need to be quiet before some hippy reports my email address to the White House! After all, BIG GOVERNMENT IS WATCHING YOU!

AARP lie is just the begining. Ask yourself why Hugo Chavez Obama would have George Soros give $5 Mil to Obama Care?

Call AARP and cancel your membership and demand a pro-rated refund of your dues. Switch your insurance to Geico, USAA, or State Farm, they are all better than the AARP plan and some of them are cheaper. I use USAA, they are excellent and well worth the little bit extra cost.

He lied about many things;
his usual hypocracy.

Senior Citizens are waking up!

check out the home page of SEIU’s website…they will create FAKE medical bills for you to mail in to your congressmen.

Obviously the AARP HAS ENDORSED the plan ’cause PRESBO said they had. AARP just has not broke the “good” news to the sheeple members. Someone call Hospice quick…

Sarah Palin is speaking out. Where are the rest of the conservatives?

Obama lied and Seniors died!
What a clown…

Read the bill. Gov’t will have access to your bank accounts to take out their fees.

To fixitin20012 ……No , you’re not the only one who noticed and pointed out that all the homemade , individual looking signs were anti health bill ,while all the pro Obama health plan mob had very slick , freshly printed , professional looking signs …..Most of the pro group apparently didn’t get a sign , but were given questions to ask inside ….

It is rather funny that Democrats made a real point of saying that to protest and voice opposition was patriotic. Now, when they are being protested against, they ridicule the protesters. It would seem now that their protesting has nothing to do with ideals – it moaning and crying that they were not in control.
It does not appear that Obama cares whether he lies or not to get what he wants. He is insulting the intelligence of the citizens for whom he works.

AARP is a money machine!
They don’t give Cr%^ about us.
I quit and am urging other to do the same.
They have the power to explain the bill but are afraid to offend the DEMS.

Dear White House Fishy Email People,
There was this guy on TV today (who I’ve heard smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day) talking about my healthcare.
Shouldn’t he be working on his own?
From what I heard, he made SEVERAL FALSE STATEMENTS about the government healthcare takeover.
By the way, why doesn’t ABC News ask him about those cigarettes?
What brand?
How many?
Does he not know it’s bad for you?
Why does he continue to do it when he’s got little girls?
Is he an addict?
Should he pay more taxes than non-smokers?
How much will his cancer cost us?
I’m no journalist, but come on…

Charles Carroll – signer of the Declaration of Independence | Portrait of Charles Carroll
” Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.” [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]

Obamacare is all about CONTROL. the government wants their greedy hands on one of the most important industries,as well as the most important aspect of your lives.
Please..,the White House pre-screens everyone before these so-called town hall meetings. the lottery for these tickets were coordinated by Organizing for America for its members. It’s no surprise that this organization is tied to Obama’s campaign. It is appalling how Obama continues to engage in these scripted events.

Did the cat get out of the bag ? ? ?

Obama today:
“I have not said I was a single payer supporter”
Obama 2003:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan.”
Another “senior moment”?

Umm, did Nancy Pelosi not say she had a letter that the AARP approved this piece of crap?

AARP supports Obamacare 100%. Just go to their website and poke around a little. AARP is only faking now (saying they don’t support it yet) to save memberships. Cancel them now. What are you waitning for? When they send you a flyer, don’t sign up. Time for an AARP recession. They are political HACKS, that you pay for. WHY?

Seniors are the butt of the jokes lately, because they take it. Read the headline of this story. “Senior Moment” is an insult. Just like Obama said he bowls like a Special Olympian. Obama cares about Waterloo, not you.

My mother has been battling cancer for 2.5 years and has only made thus far because of the Medicare she receives. Under Obamacare, Medicare will be cut by half a billion $. If Obama gets his way, my mother will die.

Correction, Medicare will be cut by half a trillion dollars.

Based on the polls and Americans’ reaction, Obama and his cronies would get the hint that Obamacare is a bad idea. Do they listen? NO! Why? They want to hold all the cards so they can CONTROL us. Did you know that under Obamacare you are required to give your private banking information so that they can withdraw your money to pay for Obamacare. You have no say in the matter.

Andy, don’t wait for renewal to cancel AARP. Do it now to make a bgger statement along with all the others who are canceling.

There is such a thing known as “catastrophic health insurance”. And it is cheap. The uninsured can get a cat policy and then they will not be wiped out. And if they are too poor, there’s Medicaid. Problem Solved!!!
Now leave the rest of us ALONE!!!

AArp on its website states that it has given money to a group.Ithink is called Economy Now for pro health care advertising. They deny supporting the health care bills but are not telling the truth. They do not poll their members on the key issues of the bills.They have said that a government option will not lead to a single payer or government run system. Obama-2003- and Barney Frank-2009-said this IS the goal.

“He said it, I believe it, that settles it…” That pretty much sums it up for you zealots, right???

The joker’s new favorite card is the race card and Dissent is now a hate crime. Speak out at your own risk.

Wow, check out all this ignorance, hate and paranoia. Keep it up y’all, the big health care companies are depending on you to keep them in control of your bodies and your paychecks.

I like most traditional value types could easily write a book about the vulgar hypocrisy that oozes from the left and their media tools. The years…9 going on 10 of irrational Bush bashing, the kind of absurd hate the leftist would never allow for their guys….union goons are effective weapons. The lies about income and intellect trying to buy more vote by presenting the dems as intellectuals paying all the taxes…right. The lies about just about everything they vote on in DC..that the compliant press massages into the perfect message for the DNC to use on their voters. The overwhelming audacity of liberals and the unbelievable amount of time they have to gin the system to their advantage. The problem leftist will always have is they don’t really speak for any of us….only themselves and their pet cause be it abortion, drugs, gays, illegal migrants(potential votes)etc…The solutions to our national problems are made worse by the leftist media and the lawyers that always end up with more wealth…the change must start with these two vulgar groups .

This administration has lost control. Secretary of State blew her stack over an innocent mistake, Congressional idiots are getting slapped down for calling people unAmerican, and now Obungler doesn’t even know who has endorsed whichever plan is out there at the moment. He then goes on to tell folks how successful private enterprises such as FedEx and UPS are in relation to the government run catastrophe known as the Post Office. They are in complete disarray. The once great Obama political machine (complete with mandate from the American people) is now a clunker…any chance I can get $450 for it in a trade in?

Pelosi doesn’t want Obamacase for Congress, because it doesn’t cover plastic surgery.

So, now that “The One” has been elected and in office for a while, any buyer’s remorse?
This isn’t for the Obamatons out there, but for normal thinking people who don’t swoon at his every word.
Do you think you made a mistake?
Do you think you were lied to?
Do you think he’ll make this a better nation?

The DNC should be worried having place all their eggs into the Obama basket. Those eggs are now being cracked and tossed into making an omelet that they are having a hard time swallowing.
I would expect his own party turning against him after the 2010 Mid-terms.

Biden doesn’t want Obamacare for the Executive Branch, because it doesn’t cover hair plugs.

Tell a lie long enough and the average dumbell will take it as truth…

America’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were a direct result of 9/11. Get your facts straight. Also, Obama has spent more money in 6 months than all of the other administrations COMBINED. The results: record job losses and debt. The money went into the pockets of politicians and their cronies.
Obama went to Mexico to coordinate troop movements when he will institute MARTIAL LAW. JUST WAIT!!!!!

This charade of a town hall was totally staged. Obama’s folks filled the hall with sycophants and political friends. This was another Obama production that will not pass the smell test for sincere debate. The comunity organizer does it again. He organized his community and all others be damned.

AARP is simply trying to have it both ways. They’ve been too involved in “politics” and on the wrong side of too many issues. People have finally had enough just as with the government overreaching. This denial of where they stand, good try but probably too late.

All protesters were outside. Others bussed in from states .Set up again. Reason Town Hall meeting went well.
When both Hillary and Obama were running I asked for a reserved seat. Never heard from their people

I am so sad that our government has come to this. How did we let this happen? Tort reform and term limits would go a long way in solving our present dilemma.

READ the Bill People (as we already know, generally those passing the bill won’t) then write down (or print out) the ACTUAL parts you DON’T like and call YOUR House AND Senators AND White House AND those on the Committees AND tell everyone you can about what IS in it that YOU DON’t like!!! Then this administration can’t pull a fast one on YOU!!!! Be INFORMED!!!

More mis-truths from the HEAD-Democrat!

Questions were preselected as usual. No one asked the question we all want an answer to. WHY AREN’T GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES GOING TO USE THE SAME PLAN WE ARE?

Funny, Obama wants us to surrender our medical freedom, medical records, and banking information to him, but he won’t release his college transcripts, law school records, Bar application, Senate records, baptism records, and his kindergarten records.

Boy the irony in this is really something, the people he scammed into voting for him, are the most likely ones to be hurt by this. I guess obama won’t be paying for their house, or putting food in their refrigerators, or paying for their health care either. obama is the wolf in sheeps clothing. He did like he did with al the people he used on his way to the top, Ayers, Rev Wright, etc… used them then kicked them to the curb. He will do the same to the people that voted for him, right along with the rest of us who didn’t, whether we want to or not. They will invoke the Reconciliation Act, and then all they need is one majority vote.

The question that needs to be asked about the “death panel” and “Rationing” is to take it directly out of the bill. It is in there on multiple pages. If I get a chance to be at a town hall, I will address my question this way… “sir or madame what do you think of this…. quote from the bill…is this acceptable to you”. Yes or no will be all it takes.

It’s funny. They said no plants in the crowd, but yet not one hard question to make the pez think on his feet. All these questions where a joke. We in America voted for the jerk, and now we reep what we sew. The only way to too keep the heat on both houses, and if they vote yes on this, then vote them out. That will be the only way to make a statement.

He also stated we now have 56 million uninsured, up from his previous 46 million and that includes 20 million illegals and another 15 million that could afford health care but choose not to purchase it. He is useless without a teleprompter and screened questions.

AARP is for this mess? Sounds like a good reason to be against it.

Didn’t Obama down grade the United States PostOffice? Isn’t that a Gov. run company? BRING ON HEALTH CARE!! They will fix that. They can’t screw that up. I mean hell how much can you screw up if you put money behind it. Come on, you just tax people and spend money like a Drunken Sailor. GO OBAMA GO!

Not only does AARP support Obama’s healthcare plan, they bragged in the AARP mag they sent 110,000 supporting the original bail out bill to offset the full court press We the People were generating to stop it. Further, their execs are all finamcialy committed to the Obama camp.

When Obama swats down the senior citizens, do you think he’ll call them “SUCKERS?” (Like the fly he swatted)

I really can not see how he can get away with what he does, and he has already done real good for hemself. But do not forget, the real culprits are the ones that stood by his side and made him feel good about what he would do in the future. There are people behind the curtains pulling the levers, will we let them get away with it; I for one sill not!
This liberal so called president is really doing the same thing as Bush did on the economy, except five times as bad, but the question is are we going to put up with the lies; any longer!

-Ages 15-40 get priority treatment.
-BHO said previously-won’t be able to phase out private insurance immediately.
-Looking for $500 Billion reduction in Medicare.
-Stimulus Legislation provided $1.1 Billion to begin “Comparative Effectiveness Research.” (And created already formed “Federal Coordinating Council” which has already begun its work.
-CER Meeting held June 9, 2009, i.e. “not just comparing the effects of particular treatments or combinations of treatments in the individual patients, but also comparing the effects of different policies, formulary designs, benefit designs, payment reforms, that may influence how treatments are used within a population and thus influence health outcomes and cost.”
PAY ATTENTION!!!!

The AARP must be getting paid by someone. Maybe their members get automatic affinity cards. They stepped into line just like good little obamunists. Oh well, looks like the PE ratios on Service America will be going up as healthcare will no longer have the effect of deferring death. Under the dems, “healthcare” will have the effect of accelerating the death rate.

AARP has not endorsed any health care plan especially after they had some informational meetings and they were shouted down by seniors who know they are going to be left without coverage when they are sick and “too old”. Obama and the Dems are lying about the AARP as they have been about all of the Health Care Mess they are trying to ram through Congress…

It looked like a staged event like they have for dictators in third world nations. They shuffle in the supporters and ask pre selected questions…softballs. However Obama really stepped in it when he pointed out that Fed EX and UPS do better than the Post Office…mmmmh wonder why?

Talk about your “wild misrepresentations”.

Wonder what McCain would have been doing about now?

Obama makes me SICK!!!!
He is such a liar!!!!!

Obama has made a fool of himself and his voters. Hope and Change were a slogan to get elected. He is lying to us everyday as our economy crumbles. There is no hope, but there is change, for the worst, sorry to say. Mark my words, he will go down as the worst president in history. Even worse than Jimmy Carter. Pack your bags B.O. because you’re leaving D.C. Jan. 2013. Hopefully the conservatives will retake control in 2010 and make you a lame duck before you destroy America completely.

I have been proud of my country in the past, but when I see the citizens of this country standing up & saying “no way”, it makes me even more proud of my country! Don’t stop…we got them running scared…keep hitting them harder & harder.
Hussein Obama must be stopped!

AARP might be soon be growing a little less supportive of Obamacare. They haven’t endorsed it, but they’ve sure pimped it.
But I think they may be losing membership and it might be enough get their attention. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who quit in response to an email from them mooching for government health insurance.

to lee:
Excellent point!
I agree – he wasn’t lying or mis-speaking.
The AARP is probably going to time it’s endorsement for its full effect.
Why did Colin Powell endorse Obama when he did?
It’s all about timing.
My hat is off to lee!

AARP did a Caterpilar on Bamster!! He goes around and lies about what people say about his plans or stimulus when its not even true. “indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate.”
Didn’t the guy from caterpilar do the same after bamster claimed that if the spenderama bill was passed they would be able to hire people back when in fact they have laid off more workers?
I take care of my 78 year old mother and she gave me power to manage her healtcare (which is thru AARP) if they do endorse this plan they will have one less customer!

For all you that don’t want this “socialized Medicine” please place your name on a “remove me from Medicare list.”

2+1+1= 4! — Obama Knows Death (Estate) Taxes Will Bring in Trillions to Pay for His Deficit … If the Baby Boomer’s Deaths (and their parents’) Can be Accelerated!
After the 2010 elections, the Estate Tax (the Death Tax) reverts to more than 50%.
History’s largest transfer of wealth will occur in four stages…
1. The Parents of the Baby Boomers Die….. Multi Billions of Tax Revenues will be collected by the government. Boom!
2. We (the Baby Boomers) die… Our Children get no more than 25% of the wealth formerly owned by our parents (their grandparents.) Multi-Trillions will confiscated as death taxes. Double Boom!!
3. The Trillions in IRA’s, 401-K’s, SEPs and other “Qualified Plans” will be forcefully liquidated at “regular income tax rates” (which will be increased) as “beneficiaries” start “taking” their Required Minimum Distributions when they turn age 70 ½! Triple Boom!!!
4. The final financial healthcare crisis is the cost of care for the Boomers’ and their parents’ chronic, Long Term Care. Medicaid will be unable to pay the costs unless massive taxes are mandated. Medicare does not pay for extended, chronic Long Term Care… and even if it did, massive tax increases would be necessary! This will add hundreds of billons to the above costs.
Boom!+Boom!=Double Boom!! 2+1+1=4!
This can all be accelerated if the Estate (Death) Tax can be reinstituted and increased. Simultaneously, Americans will be deprived of the opportunity to extend their lifetimes by choosing their doctors and medical procedures… Heck, it won’t even matter if Gramps and Mom and Dad had enough assets to pay for their “end of life care” out of their own estates….. Those assets won’t be there. … But, everything will work to “finalize” the government’s “plan” if medical care is rationed and enough people can be persuaded to invoke “palliative care.” (Remember Dr. Kerkovian?)
Where will all that money accumulated over 6-8 decades be? In the coffers of the government – Is anyone going to tell the American people that the trillions that were borrowed, redistributed, and owed by their grandchildren will now be “paid” with the windfall death taxes “contributed” by the Baby Boomers and their parents as a result of collecting “death taxes”?
The “untaxed distributions” from Roth IRA’s are but a blip on the screen of this financial meltdown… But these, like the other “Tax-Qualified Plans”- IRA’s 401-k-s, SEPs, etc., have one thing in common – The Government knows you have these asset accounts and how much money you have put into them. Heck… all of this is “public record”! What the Government knows about, they can take away! (Think the census is just about counting people? Think again! They are gathering information on assets and activities.)
End Result… Redistribution of 95%+ of all of our citizens’ wealth and with the Government now firmly in charge of the means to create wealth… And also the “power” to parcel it out to the “pigs” in our society.
Somebody needs to look at the juxtaposition of these “arcane details.” This is a far greater issue than just the “included component” of the Single Payer Health System.
These usurpers (Obama is only the “face” of the “movement”) have the media, some of the banks, 2/3rds of the auto manufacturers, 50% of the Supreme Court, and control of the congress and the presidency! Someone needs to be reading the stuff taught to the college student radicals of the 60’s. They need to dig out their copies of the “Great Speckled Bird” and the Communist Manifesto(s) I and II. These guys are working on the playbook developed by successive “versions” of communism that began before WWI and developed “on steroids” on during the 60’s and 70’s. Communists are patient, and dedicated to the cause. They practice deception. There is no and was no Sino/Soviet communist “split”. International discussion of this “development” was and is all slick PR! Eastern European communists did not “fold their tents and retreat” when the USSR “folded.” That too, was deception. Someone needs to take these folks seriously and take a hard look at their “big picture”! Study what happened after the “march on the universities of Germany” in the late 60’s! Don’t think that all those politicians who cloak themselves with the “progressive ” title of European Socialism are not the communists from the “collapsed USSR.”* This is “Reagan Payback Time.” He bankrupted the USSR with the weapons build up. These folks are just “giving the US some of the same medicine” that was earlier forced down their throats.

these staged events full of besotted admirers (“he winked at me !!”) have got to go ! nobody, except for the barackies, is falling for this crap anymore.

aarp is fibing now, they have been suporting obama and his phoney health care all along till people started cancling membership, now all they are not for the health care, ever one i know cancled the aarp, and more are doing it, please people get rid off aarp they are suporting obama, they had obamas town hall meeting in aarp headquarters, no more aarp. insurance is cheep at progreses. we have it and no membership to aarp, we do not buy g e,

John Rother of AARP just made statements on national television that makes Jake Tapper either a fibber, or significantly mistaken about AARP’s position on the health care bill.

What did Rother say?

People.. people. We are just one speech away from world peace. Why do you have to spoil it by being so negative. Hope.. Peace.. Change…
2+2=5

BHO didn’t have a senior moment, he lied. He is a liar by nature. It is a trait of ‘criminal thinking’. America has got what they deserve.

What I really want to know is: Who is propping up Obama? There are obviously very, very powerful people behind this unimpressive intellect. His post office argument today wasn’t worthy of a sophomore business administration student. It was stupid in so many ways — talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Scott – I followed the link.
You are right:
AARP’s position in crystal clear. They are 100% behind Obama.
ABC ran this story to cloud the waters not to clear things up.
I KNOW that propaganda is usually paid for with government funds, but THIS IS PROPAGANDA from ABC News. It just is.
I know it’s sounds extremist, but it is undeniable.

The Blue Dogs are Yellow Dogs

I think he knows he can say anything and the liberal press will never call him on it. In fact they will cover and make excuses for him. It has happened before and will continue to happen. They helped him get elected and they will do all they can to help and protect their investment. It is a sad day to have this kind of news(sic) reporting.

Hannity and Limbaugh are also propagandistic, but there ratings are more based on viewership and listenership – the open market.
ABC takes advantage of its size, power, “legitimacy”, and traditional place in our society.
Mixing truth with lies, backed by power = PROPAGANDA.

I turned on the tv this weekend to watch a golf tournament, and low and behold guess who was the sponsor?
THE POSTAL DEPARTMENT!!!! And they are losing so much money and are planning on cutting service and closing Post Offices!!! Another well run govt entity.

Instead of speechifying….Obama should be telling us WHAT THE PLAN IS….in plain language! Stop vilifying people who want answers and step up to the plate. He and Congress are really dumb!
It’s pretty obvious when you see their Schtick. No substance!

He’s SO SO Bad speaking off the cuff, off the teleprompter. He’s no great wise orator, he’s a slick Chicago politician who’s brought Chicago-style politics to the White House (Axelrod, Rahm etc.) and needs someone with experience to reel him in.
He’s so ideologically blind and tone deaf, can’t wait to vote out libs in 2010 and 2012. They’re making it easier and easier the more of our money they spend on junk and the more the flex their liberal policy muscles.
I just saw the spokesman for the AARP last night saying they had not and were not endorsing the healthcare bill….they said there’s no bill to endorse and that they were not going to support a bill that resulted in medicare cuts or rationing etc. Obama is simply lying because he’s feeling the heat. He’s such an inexperienced rookie it’s becoming laughable.

Danl—- I have said that way back before he was elected. Someone is pulling the strings on the messiah. I think it is George Soros. That would be my guess.

ATTN: plainsm
Huh? What part of anything I have said is a “rant”?
What is your opinion of ABC News’s failure to accurately report AARP’s position and of Mr. Obama’s failure to accurately state AARP’s official postion?

If you have an AARP membership card, tear it up and mail it back to AARP. They gave the POTUS thousands of dollars for his campaign. So, AARP, ask yourselves, has it been worth it? Now, that you’ve shown your members where you really stand? “Stop the Change” should be our cry right up to the 2010 elections, when the demotarts loose control of the congress. It’ll be so nice to have have ol’ limousine liberal Polosi in charge.

Scoripowarrior wondered:
What I really want to know is: Who is propping up Obama? There are obviously very, very powerful people behind this unimpressive intellect.
Answer: George Soros.

If you do cancel your AARP membership and your insurance with them, do not get it from Progessive Insurance. Read the info below and you’ll understand why. It is worse than the AARP.
Courtesy of the liberal web, Atheism.about.com, “Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Insurance, has donated USD $8.5 million to the ACLU because he believes in the work they do defending Americans’ liberty. [sic]“
Courtesy of the Conservative web site, National Journal “Lewis Was Second Largest Donor To Democrat-527 Groups In 2004 Cycle, Giving $23,997,220. Top Donors To MoveOn.Org Voter Fund 527 Were Herbert And Marion Sandler ($2,505,014), Peter B. Lewis ($2,500,000).”

The Liberal characterization of honest, concerned citizens as “Nazis” and “a mob” is the greatest political miscalculation of my lifetime. Rather than cementing a Democrat majority for as far as the eye can see – which is what Democrats thought they would enjoy after demonizing George Bush – they have instead ensured a Conservative groundswell that may keep them out of power for decades. Pelosi et al have incredibly deaf tin ears.

Despite the Democrat denials, it was obvious this was a staged event and the room was filled with Obomatons. I’d have loved to see him go toe to toe with an Orlon Sphincter audience.

HE WILL LIE. HE WILL MISQUOTE. HE WILL DO ANYTHING. HE WILL BLAME. hE WILL STEAL FROM US….HE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PUSH US TO THE BRINK AND GET REELECTED. HE IS AN IDEOLOGUE SOCIALIST.
UNQUENCHABLE THIRT FOR POWER AND CONTROL.

“CMON PEOPLE WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS PROBLEM!!!!!–Marky
Marky, how can you work with a COMMIE!!!

ATTN: plainsm
I mocked “Live Free or Die” ?
BTW
I still don’t have your answer to ABC and BHO’s mischaracterization of AARP’s position.

Only one thing to do: IMPEACH HIM!!!

The head of AARP was on OReilly just last night and swore up and down that AARP had NOT endorsed a bill. President Prompter should spend a few minutes watching FoxNews instead of bashing them. He might avoid a few “off prompter” gaffes. (like brining up the Post Office! LOL what a loon.

AARP is as liberal as it gets. If they have decided to withhold their endoresement something “fishy” is going on.
Maybe all the seniors who are burning their draft… er AARP card is causing them to think twice about their position.
LOL I’m kidding. They are just waiting for the right moment, when Obama really needs them to give their support, like during the House and Senate votes.

plainsm:
There will be a number of prophetic fulfillments before the Anti-Christ appears. And he will not be from the United States.

We literally have a juvenile delinquent for president. He admitted youthful drug abuse, and the experts know that youthful use of drugs arrests maturity. The things that come out of his mouth remind me of high school campaigns. His trade as a “community organizer” is to turn group against group. He is doing just fine, isn’t he? AARP supports all that Barack is doing, and don’t kid yourself. I won’t join them because of their leftist beliefs.

Another screened “performance” by Obama and those stupid enough to buy his lies. As for AARP, look for a precipitous drop in its membership for not calling attention to the MANDATORY end-of-life “counseling” that Obamacare is pushing.

Bravo William!!!

I’ll bet the train of thought in his head was that the AARP must be supporting this because “it’s already hard for a lot of people even on Medicare”…oh, Medicare is a Federal program…uh…umm….

John, alot of doctors don’t take medicare because of the lack of payment

What Obama meant to say was: We promised the leadership of the AARP high paying government jobs in the new socialist health bureaucracy if they support our efforts. They said, sure, we can do that.
Unfortunately the actual members of AARP are not happy with this.

AARP is completely in bed with the socialists and don’t you ever forget it.

About the tame audience in New Hampshire: I’ve staged presidential events. No one, but no one is admitted without a Secret Service background check days before the actual event. They collect social security numbers, etc. and know exactly who is in the room. And, if that doesn’t keep the crowd tame, there are agents with tommy guns sitting behind the drape background. The town hall was a contrived event that came down to just another photo op of The One.

I canceled my AARP membership. A few days ago. They guy was very polite and he asked me why. I told him that I did not pay my membership fees so that AARP could sponsor Town Hall meetings for the President with AARP in apparent support of a bill that is fully socialist in its intent. I explained I watched the President on TV about a month ago and when he called it “health insurance reform” and that EVERYONE would get BETER health care for LESS COST and the GOVERNMENT was going to do it that I KNEW he was lieing….nuff said!

how can ANYONE justify the govt. taking on socialized Healthcare? They cant run Medicare (yea its gone bankrupt) they cant run socialized retire (yea SSN has gone bankrupt) and they cant run the Federal Govt (yea they are printing worthless money for their stimulus package and selling it to the chinese… for now). The Govt. cannot run a business. They funded the Cash for Klunkers to help prop up GM after they bought 60% of it, but it still wont help. They are inept and dragging the entire country down. We need a CLEAN SLATE, and bring in people that put America First. Close the borders, English only, and American Culture first. Thats what defines us. Borders, language and culture. Put term limits on these FATCATs in washington and put it back to what the founding fathers intended!!!

babs45, in 2012, “The One” will be a past president

Raquel, it’s time to grow up and get an education. You’re supporting a monster of a man — excuse me, pig — who has his sights set on destroying this nation. He is without a doubt the most profound mistake ever committed by the country.

“Keep it up Obama, your amazing. I have 6 kids who need to live their lives. Thank you Obama.”
Hay Steph, OB’s war in Afganistan could last 14 years per his military people. Get your kids ready and thank Obama.

Obama continues to marginalize himself every time he opens his mouth. Keep talking, Chief!

Great Caesar’s bust is on the shelf
And I don’t feel so good myself
And this new bill when enacted may finish me off.

The media jumped all over Sarah Palin for winking. Obama winks and the media thinks it’s cool????

Isn’t that the “U.S. POSTAL SERVICE” having problems??O.K….let’s have the “U.S. HEALTH CARE SERVEICE”(that really makes sense,doesn’t it…oops another wet dream messed up)

What a moron! Between Obama’s flat out lies and Biden’s lose lips, who knows what’s the truth and what’s not.

When a President approves of cutting at least $500 billion from medicare so the wealth can be spread to others who do not have health insurance and then says his plan will not affect medicare benefits, he is LYING. Of course, there is sufficient money in the proposed bills for abortions. All of this assures that seniors will die early because medicare will deny them benefits on costly care needed. It also assures that more babies will be killed since they, too, will be forgotten. It hurts me to say that I am ashamed of the United States of America.

200 days and the country is fighting like it’s a civil war. God help us, GW is starting to look good now. Boy did I get change for my vote. – Todd
Great post !
With likely Republican victories in NJ and VA, the counter-revolution is alive and well.
ABC – I’m impressed that you have the courage to allow unfiltered posting. Kudos.

Obama was not incorrect in regards to the AARP. They are getting reading to launch ads for whatever bill these idiots in Washington come up with. They just covered their ####s ’cause they’re bleeding memberships.

I’m not sure if he’s fully aware of what damage he’s doing.

Just saw AARP’s representative on Rachel Maddow. He was very favorable to the bill. Maybe Jake you faked your age or are undergoing a premature “Senior Moment”. I know you are ambitious and hungry. But hunger needs to be sated with good leg work. Not just raw ambition.

You know…the man is saying whatever he think needs to be said in order to sell American something they don’t need.
I miss Reagan…

For all of you that do not believe this press report, I suggest reading what the AARP has released:
“While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate.”

HOW MANY MORE LIES ARE WE AS AMERICANS GOING TO TAKE?!?!?
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Obama is an idiot. Good night

He winked at her? Oh how the left made fun of Palin when she winked… ever the hypocrites, when one of their own does it… its adored. Did I mention hypocrites. Of course it was friendly crowd (they screened them… nobody believes the randomly chosen cover story, except the koolaid drinkers)… and once again Obama did not forget to lie… AARP was not onboard… facts don’t matter to that crowd… its all about smoke and mirrors… bigger bunch of touchy feely types are hard to come by… I feel your pain. ha.

As Obama said, they will get a health care bill passed this year. Congress will use reconcilliation to do it – they only need 50 seats in the senate using this tactic.
Boy, will Atlas shrug then!

I’m 65, never joined AARP, and don’t trust the government as far as I can burp on them.

Obama said it himself when he put it like this, “UPS and FedEx are having a good time. It’s the US POSTAL service that keeps having problems.”. US MAIL, AMTRAK, FANNIE/FREDDIE, SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, AND OTHER STATES ARE BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS, ALTHOUGH OBAMA BELIEVES IT IS BECAUSE OF TOO LITTLE OF TAX PAYMENTS. LOOK AROUND , JAKE AND RACHEL, AND FIND A STATE RUN BY DEMOCRATS THAT IS NOT GOING BANKRUPT!!! If ONE NETWORK would READ THE BILL AND SCRUTINIZE EVERY PAGE then we might – MIGHT – get some credible reporting here. I wonder if Obama, besides making a deal with BIG PHARMA COMPANIES that he would not try to lower drug costs, has made a similar deal with the STATE-RUN MEDIA (not you, Jake)??

Jake,
AARP may not be “officially” endorsing the health plan, but they are on board! C’mon, Obama even did a town hall with AARP members! As others have posted, they have a Health care reform action page on their web site and a myth busting section about the proposed plans. one of their leaders was on Rachel Maddow and sounded very supportive. As a journalist you should always look below the surface and not just the ‘gotcha’ aspects of a story. This ‘senior’ moment is not quite the moment you or AARP (officially) have portrayed it to be.

JHM wrote: “There are way too many liberals who honestly believe that the best way to save the planet is to reduce the human population for me to trust any plans they have for health care in this country. Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house!”
And have you ever noticed, JHM, that those leftists who advocate reducing the populace are NEVER the first ones to volunteer for their own ‘solutions’? Of course not. See, THEY must be allowed to remain, to make the wise decisions for the rest of us, who they might decide to kill, someday. They’re wiser, you see. WISER.

As a health care professional I can say without a doubt that Obama knows not what he speaks. What medical school did he graduate from??? What allied health degree does he hold?? Does he have a nursing degree? What in God’s name makes him think he can tell YOU what tests you need to have when you get sick. Wouldn’t you rather have that recommendation come from your physician? His ‘misinformation’ (a word he likes to use a lot) about the medical world is both malicious and frivolous. He is proposing a system that is reckless management of our health and our lives. Wake up people! Fight hard for your health and your lives.

Holy Joker Robin! President Obama told another whopper.

My 6 kids can think for themselves, which might be more than what you can say, and they are on the honors with gifted programs, good luck knocking them down, Matt, Bryce why would I have had my children aborted? Not a personal choice I would make.It is funny that I compliment my President of my country about CHANGE that in my opinion is needed for the healthcare among many things neglected in the past, and I get how many comments about my 6 children. Get an education? Grow up? I have personal connections to alot of the negative comments directed towards Obama. I worked at the USPostal Service for 7 years, know it, I thought before Obama, no one appreciated it, now all of the sudden it is an issue. My husband is Mexican, Oh my..did I say that? Again personal and much hated debate. Beyond that, I have not seen any one else trying to do anything that is homebased changing things, it is always to change the countries that “have the oil”. My late grandfathers brother was in personal business with a connection with Bush’s sidekick that got to go over and rebuild, it was money and finishing his fathers work for talk at the family table. Compare the faces. Bush looked like he just smoked crack for 3 days, and Obama looks like he just talked with his wife and other intelligent friends to come up with the best plans. You can insult me all you want. I think he is intelligent, and so do other people. So whatever.

” I went to vote and all I got was this stupid President”
So you are the Harvard graduate and Obama isn’t!

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Exactly!! That’s what ticks me off the most. He SAID he was gonna do it but those that voted for him just didn’t listen too all of that. They were too caught up in the hollywood, greek column lies and adventureland. God help us all.

Had to show an ID with photo to enter they were checked at the door.
Yet the Dems are against Voter ID. Hmmm, just an ideal thought.

Yalambi – You obviously missed his point. It’s about choice and the freedom to make our own decisions regarding our health care! If we want to work with crappy doctors so be it. That is still A CHOICE! WE WANT TO KEEP THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE — GOT IT!

Yalambi wrote: “For Angryamerican: You obviously don’t give a hoot about your health…the statement you make about having 30 crappy doctors take care of you…is the most moronic one I have ever seen…. And ABC is not doing propaanda…they are setting the record straight …and it hurts the re-publican hordes to hear it !!!!”
Yeah, right, Yulambi. If you don’t back Obama’s bill, you obviously don’t care about your own health. Nice, live-in-your-little-box conditions, you set. One slight problem: Obama doesn’t have a bill. The Congress has come up with various bills, but Obama does not have one of his own yet, and never has. Oh…btw you must have missed the part where independents (like me) are also turning heavily against this whole ‘health care’ scheme (we are), and that support for a single-payer health system is now at a whopping…32%. P.S. You’re obviously slightly p-ssed that there’s such a national uprising against your guy (and attempts to marginalize them will only make them more angry).

hilliary needs to spend time in mexico has she been there yet???? this is our major problem right now but no sec of state just barry she is with the brothas and sistas in africa peace

I think it is time for the President to stop talking about “Medicare waste.” Everyone knows that Medicare is, by far, the most efficient health insurance system in effect today. And, I think that seniors know that Medicare benefits per se will not be cut under the President’s plan. That is not what seniors are concerned about. The problem is that Medicare reimbursements to hospitals and to doctors are too low today, and seniors are afraid that these reimbursements will be cut further in order to fund health insurance for everyone. The effect of low reimbursement is that hospitals limit stays and doctors drop Medicare patients. This situation has been a problem for years. I personally am in favor of raising Medicare premiums so that reimbursements to doctors and hospitals can be increased.

Part of this plan prohibits the private purchase of healthcare by an individual whose has been denied coverage by the Government administrators. What does that have to do with making healthcare cheaper or more broadly available? It is, I submit, about power and control. Not only would this plan “resdistribute,” i.e. confiscate, wealth, it would neutralize wealth by forbidding its use to save the life of the person who earned it. When the American people voted for Mr. Obama, did they vote to give up their freedom and (at the whim of a Government bureaucrat) their lives? The Republicans may have been inept, but at least did not try to enslave us.

If Obama had used an honest name for his one payer system reform: OBAMA INSURANCE COMPANY funded by the U.S. Treasury high speed printing machine and authorized by the U.S. Congress, he should have passed his ObamasCary bill by now!!!
The Obamaists inside the NH Town Hall meeting would have more to cheer!

Rachel Martin and Jake Tapper report:
President Obama today suggested that the health care reform legislation for which he’s pushing has been endorsed by the American Association of Retired Person.
“We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,” the president said.
At another point he said: “Well, first of all, another myth that we’ve been hearing about is this notion that somehow we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?”
The problem?
The AARP hasn’t endorsed any plan yet.
The country’s largest advocacy group for Americans over 50 issued a statement after the event saying, “While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate.”
SO WE SHOULD BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE WHAT OBAMA HAS ARTICULATED???

Here is what all you seniors and infirm can look forward to undere Snobamacare!
Quote from Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm’s brother and key adviser to Snobama on the Healthcare bill)
“Emanuel, however, believes that “communitarianism” should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. ’96).
Translation: Don’t give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson’s or a child with cerebral palsy.
He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years” (Lancet, Jan. 31).”

article falsely titled: Obama has Senior Moment
It is true seniors may forget, but Barry lies. No forgettin’ just lyin’.

Oh how I wish I was in that audience. When he asked for skeptical questions, I would have shouted ” Why don’t you open the doors and let in all the people protesting outside you big chicken! This town hall was like a fixed mafia fight, with the predetermined winner holding up the opponent to keep him from falling. I say recall election for President. recall, REcall REEECALL REEEEEEEECAAAAAALLLL! Send this idiot back to his Chicago village.

Jake Tapper is and has always been a right-wing GOP hack and ABC News is just Fox News lite.

Damn! Wasn’t everything just GREAT before Obama became President? Just think how much BETTER off we’d be if McCain was Prez. There’d be no bail-outs! And nothing left to bail-out. Chrysler and GM would be gone, along with all the business who are associated with them. And think of all those lousy banks that would be gone! So what if unemployment would be around 20%! There’s nothing better for a country’s soul than a good old depression! But that damn Obama is willing to do whatever it takes to prevent all that. Just who does this boy think he is?

You noticed how things started to go south for him after the teleprompter died? They both are in free fall together.
Anyway he didnt lie about the AARP, he just didnt calibrate his statement. He inherited the endorsement from the previous administration. It was an ummm, uhhh, errr, umm said without his knowledge.
Anyway, you Hope’n'Changers flag this article.

Keep trying to stop it. I work for an insurance company , we deny payment and get bonus while doing it. But you people don’t get that .

The next thing will be the race card! The people who are against Snobamacare will be labeled as racists and that will be the main reason assigned as the reason for opposition to this Obamanation of a bill! Democrat Rep. David Scott has already characterized those who oppose Snobama as racists and it’s hatred of Snobama that is driving opposition rather than people having the smarts to know this is very bad legislation and will bankrupt this country! Here is an excerpt of what he is alleging:
“We have got to make sure that the symbol of the swastika does not win, that the racial hatred that’s bubbling up does not win this debate,” Scott said in a telephone interview. “That’s what is bubbling up with all of this. There’s so much hatred out there for President Obama.”

This has nothing to do with the color of the man’s skin, Obama is anti-american and people are finally waking up to the fact. I don’t work to have the government take most of my earnings and give it to a less motivated person. I can make my own descisions, take care of myself without govt. intervention, and certainly dont need this radical telling me whats good for me and my family.

Interesting comment, J C Calhoun. My personal belief is that an Obama supporter — perhaps even one of Congressman Scott’s staffers — spraypainted that swastika on his sign, in an attempt to give the regular folks protesting at these meetings a bad name. He brings up the ‘swastika’ stuff, and now all of a sudden one gets spraypainted on his sign? It almost sounds too good to be true. I doubt I’m the only one with such suspicions.

It seems to me that Tapper’s story is in error. Obama certainly meant that the AARP supports healthcare reform, and according to AARP, they do. It would be impossible for them to support any version at this time because a final version does not exist so how could anyone say they do or do not support it?????

AARP wouldn’t endorse an incomplete bill. I think he meant that he is currently seeking AARP endorsement

Would be interesting playing comments by the head of the AARP and Obama side by side.
Barry lied plain and simple. Just visit AARP’s web site, You Tube and Bill O’Reilly’s interview yesterday.
The problem for the President is people can back check just about anything now-a-days. During the election many were lulled by a warm and fuzzy non-defined term called Change. Many, tired of Bush, and Republican Party deceit, glommed onto Obama attaching wish thought ideals to the man. Quite a few independents took statements from many pundits that Obama was a “moderate”. Several million Republican voters stayed home due to McCains tepid campaign, his Democrat “light” image, and Republican spending. More were stampeded by a banking crisis that may be linked to Obama money-bags, George Soros.
America didn’t lurch to the left, but Democrats behave as it did.
Many voters didn’t apply usual scrutiny to this former Community Activist.
Now many are.
This means Obama can no longer mislead as he did during the campaign. It gets spotted quickly spreading as a virus across the Internet (like Drudge), to Talk Radio, then Fox News which now has a news audience the size of CBS News. This is new, maturing in just the last few months. With 90% of journalists leaning ‘progressive’ who apply that filter to what is “newsworthy” a vacuum caused by promote-agenda reporting is being filled.
Hence Obama is slipping quickly in the polls, his support is now 48% Rassmusen, and his healthcare agenda is down 53-42% overall and over 60 – 40 amongst independents. Amongst those who actually pay taxes probably a much more lopsided ratio.
Wait until Americans realize Obama’s Czars are infecting government data collection and “nudging numbers” to make it appear the economy is turning around. We really lost 690,000 jobs last month (Forbes)
Note this “Town Hall”, clearly the White House effort skewed the “lottery”, probably from a list of leftist organizations then planted individuals with prepared questions. Else the audience would have reflected New Hampshires’ Statewide Presidential support of around 53 to 47 Obama, and he would have had to dance to some really pointed questions. It is this obvious.
At warp speed this Hall – linsky production is being back-checked. Outside the staged part of the event hundreds, if not thousands of video’s were taken. Those taking part inside, questioned. Those responding honestly, exposing this production, will find themselves on You Tube etc.
Already evidence has surfaced that shows it was a stage production, used by our man-child in chief to set up his straw man argument Democrats have a plan and those opposed just want the status quo.
Note that “Barry” has presented no plan of his own, yet claims to know what is in “his” plan!
And that is the rub. By lying often and big the President exposes more and more of the leftist Democrat methodology. Look for his numbers on healthcare, the economy, and personally to erode further.
Pat: A Mob mentality, Unthinking Right Wing, Un-American, Nazi – Racist, “Astro Turf” hooded member of the KKK – not!

There has been a lot of hysteria and exaggeration on both sides, but someone here suggested there is nothing bad about the plans. Here is a calm explanation about what is actually bad.
1) Anything that is run by the government (part of the plan and the enforcement of rules will be) has to be paid for by taxes. No one has given us a reasonable estimate of how much. Even neutral organizations have disputed the numbers given by President Obama.
2) The initial plan was over 1,000 pages and they tried to ram it through very quickly. Remember that one congressman who admitted people dont have time to read it? How about simplifying it, addressing the most important issues, then giving us all time to digest and discuss it rather than shoving it down our throats without time to analyze it.
3) It is a legitimate concern that if an additional 50 Mil people are suddenly insured, with no corresponding sudden increase in medical personnel, that there will be rationing, especially for older people with diseases. I have talked to people with knowledge of Canadian and British systems and who agree with such systems, and they told me flat-out “yes you have to have rationing, it is reasonable”.
So there are 3 what I consider reasonable concerns – taxpayer cost, complexity, and availability of care.
My suggestions to get a lot more people covered:
1) have something like the KidCare program in Illinois where all kids have guaranteed insurance.
2) have no time limit on COBRA. I would have kept my old coverage if I was able to.
3) outlaw unreasonably high medical malpractice suits. The lawyers get a high % of the money won, that is not right. Doctors are sometimes driven out of practice by high malpractice insurance costs – or else it shows up in higher medical costs for us.
Sorry for long message, this is an important issue. We need reform but nothing like what is being proposed – it can be done much more simply and with limited taxpayer cost.

Sorry for the typos in my last post.

Where were you damn people when Bush was running the country into the ground! How many of you stood up and shouted while Bush was wire tapping your phones, lying and turning Cheney lose! Rewriting the Executive branch of government against the constiution. Where were you loyal constitutionist then! Why aren’t you demanding that the Gop stop campaiging for 2012, and do their jobs in Washington. Instead they damn near declared treason! but that’s ok! These same people honestly think that after all we have seen. After all of their efforts to sabatoge healthcare reform they will win back the whitehouse. Interesting…Obamacare needs alot of work, why don’t they help and get out of bed with the insurance companies. And news flash what the hell was he suppose to do when he took office! Was he suppose to let the auto industry fall? banks fall, the housing market continue to crumble! McCain would have left you for dead! While he rested in one of his houses!

Jim, that’s the first criticism of the proposed health reform I have read that doesn’t sound like its coming from a total nut job.
The problems you describe are the fault of the insurance industry. The fact is, private health insurance plans already ration. If you don’t have money, they drop you. If you have a preexisting condition, they drop you. The proposed legislation will limit those abuses, which will make it much simpler, not complicated. And it will be cheaper too, allowing many more people to be treated.
The insurance industry has already proven beyond any doubt how utterly corrupt, devoid of conscience, and totally incapable they are of providing health care to anyone but the rich or people who aren’t as likely to need it, all while sucking as much money out in “profits” as possible. Health care reform will always be expensive, complicated and rationed as long as they are involved. If anything, Obama has been far too lenient, letting them write the laws.

Charity wrote: “Where were you damn people when Bush was running the country into the ground! How many of you stood up and shouted while Bush was wire tapping your phones, lying and turning Cheney lose! Rewriting the Executive branch of government against the constiution. Where were you loyal constitutionist then! Why aren’t you demanding that the Gop stop campaiging for 2012, and do their jobs in Washington. Instead they damn near declared treason! but that’s ok! These same people honestly think that after all we have seen. After all of their efforts to sabatoge healthcare reform they will win back the whitehouse. Interesting…Obamacare needs alot of work, why don’t they help and get out of bed with the insurance companies. And news flash what the hell was he suppose to do when he took office! Was he suppose to let the auto industry fall? banks fall, the housing market continue to crumble! McCain would have left you for dead! While he rested in one of his houses!”
Charity, if all you can do is re-hash a bunch of Democrat Party hogwash and Bush-bashing, then you’re clearly lacking of any substance. Rather than debate what Obama is ACTIVELY SEEKING TO DO with a socialist health care overhaul, all you can do is ‘suppose’ what McCain would have done? He’s off the scene, Charity! He hasn’t been there since last November! Frankly, Bush having the phones wiretapped, looking for terrorists (which btw was consistently supported by Congressional Democrats, as well as the Supreme Court and millions of citizens, like myself) just doesn’t hold a lot of concern for people anymore. These days folks are much more concerned about Obama (because HE is now the top guy, after all) and what he’s trying to do with our nation. We are much more concerned about the vile (and futile) verbal beratement he and his bunch are heaping on citizens who dare to disagree with their clearly-stated approach, and his attempts to have people rat on their fellow citizens with that silly White House website. Seriously, Charity…you need to get serious, if you’re going to engage in this debate/discussion/what have you. You need to get out of your kook-fringe, paranoid, Bash-Bush glory days of the past, and face the present. (also, the Democrats NEVER stop running for President, Charity…why should the other party? Your post was filled with so many typical, mindless cheap shots.)

After watching a REAL town hall meeting in Pa this morning where Specter was grilled repeatedly, The New Hamphshire one was a set up infomercial, does the White House think American people are this gullable?

Do you think that poor people will be able to afford a health plan. California just doubled the drivers’ license for cars. Nobody has held their costs down. PPOs’ started out free and gave all kinds of freebees. Glasses, dental, etc. Look where they are now. Premiums will increase until it becomes unafordable. Where do you go from there?
1. Make cobra for 5 years. 2. Stop all law cases against doctors. Offer them govt. insurance, like mortgage ins. 3.Offer a policy for catistrophic care only, available to all. Create a sinking fund that can’t be taped for future cost. Keep it simple. shouldn’t take more than a 10 page law. Thats it.

I find it difficult to believe Messiah is capable of fibbing or making a mistake. That said, it sounds like a conspiracy by AARP to smear the reputation of our Saviour in the White House.
There must be a misunderstanding here; I’m sure we’ll all hear by tomorrow how mistaken the AARP was and that everything ‘O Godlike does and says is, well, Godlike!
Yes we can!

I just read the advertisment from Rich Kinkade for the AARP. They don’t endorse canadates. No, they lobby them. They make plenty of profit, they just can’t sell stock. They sell insurance for other insurance carriers and collect a commission. They have a magazine that sells advertising. They can’t show profit or they would have to pay taxes, so they pay their help. I used to by their magazine but I didn’t get any help that I could see. It’s a business. Thats all.

There could be one thing the AARP might bid for…that would be servicing the health care plan for seniors for the Government. They do have quite a lot of seniors on their medicare plans. That would be very profitable for them. Sorry, nonprofit for them. Perhaps they are being somewhat tight with Pres Obama for good reason. That makes sence to me. Thats it.

Boy, health care is a technical issue, not a political one. Comments about recalling Obama because he wants to improve our system is proof of how many stupid and bigoted Americans are out there.
Hey all of you older white folks with a chip on your shoulder, how about another civil war! Yeah, man! You’d like that right? You get to use all your guns and create violet acts that you’ve been suppressing.
Silver lining is Darwin gets to weed out the morons.
Vote independent!

Senior Moment? He lied, “OBAMA BIN LYIN” That is what all politicians do when they know the media will not question there propaganda. Olbermann probably told Osama that in the morning meeting.

How to Transition into Universal Health Care
The government offers contracts to private companies in each state or region to administer the UHC program with strict oversight and monitoring by the federal government. This will reduce the size of the size of the federal bureaucracy required. Allow existing insurance companies to bid on the contracts. This will minimize the impact on employment and systems as existing personnel and systems should be readily adaptable. Instead of serving the stockholders these companies will be competing to better serve the public or loose their contracts and, inevitably, their commercial clients.

So very tired of the name calling from the left anytime I don’t agree with something their messiah wants from me. So much for intellectual debate, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, liberty, loyal opposition, and the general checks and balances our democratic form of government was founded on. The ugly truth that when the “Obama is God” folks are challenged they resort to the college campus tactics of spewing hate, name calling, and physical intimidation only proves that they are not mature enough to govern this country. How sad that with all the years spent supposedly educating themselves, they still resort to force rather than reasoned discourse when it comes to selling their vaccuous ideas.
When the Democrats won the house, senate, and the Presidency recently, I genuinely was concerned that we’d end up with a situation like we have here in California where they get to do whatever they want to the state, and our budget–running our beautiful California into the ground–without any real opposition. The single party governance of CA has been so great…But…the more I see American’s wake up to the reality that Senator Obama has no intent of governing from the center, or including all American’s in his vision of what America should be, the more I am delighted to finally see liberty loving people of all parties say “enough is enough”. We’re tired of your endless lawyering, your intentional mangling of your words and their true meanings, your absolute disregard for the values our nation was founded on, your attempt to grab massive new powers for your government and union cranks, your criminal theft of our tax dollars and their distribution to your cronies, and your BS claims of transparency in government. You, Mr. Obama, ought to be ashamed of yourself, but I won’t hold my breath as you first need to love your country before you can be truly sorry for your actions, and we all know how much your closest friends, wife, and pastor love the United States don’t we…
Well as I stated, I’m deeply encouraged by the things I am seeing out of Americans all accross this country. We are tired of being lied to by you and your multiple fork-tounged mouthpieces. We are tired of our “so-called” leaders bashing our troops, our intelligence agencies, our police officers, and our fellow citizens, and calling them Un-American for not being willing to just hand over our rights and liberties to you and your thuggish troupe of baffoons in the Congress (Pelosi, Reid, and Hoyer) and in the community organization ranks, including the fat-heads over at the SEIU.
We Americans might disagree vehemently on policy from time to time, as is expected, and as is healthy for our national cause, but never before have we had to endure a wannabe president that actually seeks to tear us further apart and make our neighbors our enemies all for the sake of pushing your radical power grab attempt.
You Mr. Obama should be ashamed for squandering the perfect opportunity to bring America together under one flag–instead of intentionally polarizing our people further than they have ever been before. You should be ashamed for wasting the gift you were given in our post-racial America…the opportunity to prove once and for all that we are all Americans, rather than African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, White-Americans, Rich-Americans, Poor-Americans, etc… You should be ashamed for your absolute failure to live up to the expectations of our forefathers–who were much wiser than you dear sir–to protect and defend our American exceptionalism in this world.
But of all the things that you should be ashamed of–though incapable as discussed already–you should be ashamed of yourself for showing no respect to the office you were so generously afforded and for daring to call those who do not automatically bow to your every radical whim, Un-American. For this you should be the most ashamed as you of all people should know what hurt your words can inflict on patriots who feel like their president has abandoned everything their forefathers ever believed in and is steering our country into a perilous abyss for his own political gain. The American people have figured you out dear sir, and while we are a forgiving people, we do not lightly take those who seek to rot our lady liberty from within.
If only you were capable of feeling the shame you deserve Mr. Obama…
God Bless our America, her states, and her patriots who will not sit idly by while you abuse and poison her to death. Thank God we “true Americans” are not as stupid as you wished or even hoped we were. We’re on to you now Mr. Obama, and the game is up. Enjoy you remaining time in the office reserved for Presidents of the United States, as I’m sure the American people will not again make such a grotesque error in judgement come election-time.

Well, two weeks ago my wife and I heard that AARP was endorsing Obama Commie Care, so we did the only righteous thing, we canceled our membership and requested a refund. The check takes 6 weeks but the satisfaction is instantaneous.
Let’s see H.R.3200 will cut Medicare by 500 billion, eliminate private Medicare supplemental insurance, require mandatory end of life counseling, establishes a rating system to determine if seniors are worth cost of treatment and deny care to the elderly to save cost (Obama’s statements that the elderly have to sacrifice and take pain medications instead of receive surgery is revealing), yet establishes full benefits for illegal aliens and non English speakers. Requires in-home counseling on how many children you have, and rates your parenting skills, and eliminates all private and employer based medical insurance over time, forcing everyone on to the government plan. Sure, we want to support AARP or Obama, they’re both liars.
Truth is Obama Care will cause the premature death of millions due to neglect.

AARP is a letist political organization that is in bed with Obama and the Dems. Their reluctance to “officially” support the bill is because the members of AARP are against it. The leadership of AARP are all shills for the Obama plan.

I am one of those americans that will die prematurely. I am a person not a statistic I am a mother, a daughter, a sister, aunt and grandmother. I have been lost in the system all of my life, because I can’t afford health care, I am 42 and disabled due to asthma. I am hospitilized at least 4 times a year at 30,000 or more each time. I can’t get health insurance. I was given a little more time when I was put on ssi and medicare. I can afford medications now, but there are still problems. While everyone is fighting over what to do. I am still trying to live. at this rate I wont live long enough to meet my grandchildren. I wrote to my state representative. a year later I got a response. I got a standard form letter saying that they knew health care was an issue and they were working on it. Our government is taking our freedom, our money, and our lives. Our nation was quick to vote for change. it is clear that we need a change. but now we are just helplessly watching our government ruin us. we have to find a way out of this. and we have to do it alone. as americans, we can’t depend on liars, and cheaters. I don’t have an answer, but I am pretty sure that giving out millions of dollars to people that already have millions, is not a way to help our nation recover.we will have to pay the taxes on the stimilus money. but we don’t get to choose how it is distributed. the banks were bailed out, then they bailed out on their customers. cost are still rising, and we are losing our jobs, homes, and lives. the only thing I know I can do is vote against everyone in the government until something changes for the better. We can speak in one loud voice at the polls. they can’t miscount all of our votes

The US does not have the best health care in the world. The US does not have all the answers. The US is full of idiots who cannot think for themselves and will believe whatever the loudest blowhard in the media tells them to. The toilet needs to be flushed.

Any person or organization that supports or provides a venue for Obama without qualifying its intent is “for” whatever the Obama is selling. Furthermore, it should have been AARP’s that said it doesn’t support some or all of the Obama plan – a plan that doesn’t exist even today. Instead, the AARP groveled, bowed, kissed his ring among other things, as said nothing. I received an email from AARP in response to mine — it said little to nothing. Yet, there is absolutely no way for our gubermint to avoid increasing costs other than to restrict access to health care – it is simply an absolute. Comments from McCaskill: She admonished the rowdy crowd of some 1,500. “I don’t understand this rudeness,” she said. “I honestly don’t get it.” “Beg your pardon … you don’t trust me?” McCaskill said. “I don’t know what else I can do.” Now that is a dim bulb. Her fans didn’t allow her to hide her head in the sand. Is anyone proud of electing her? Specter said: “There is more anger in America today than at any time I can remember.” His memory is terribly flawed, and cannot remember the two Democrat wars, WWII and Vietnam.

with Bush it would be an evil lie
with obama it is a senior moment….the press has failed us.

Anyone remember “Logan’s Run” or “Soylent Green”?

AARP has been supporting liberals for years. I didn’t renew my membership this year & they have spent countless dollars sending renewal pleas to me. Perhaps there are many people who have “wised up” & stopped supporting AARP! There are other organizations who represent my views…..I’ll support them!

How can we believe anything these people say. They lie so much they can’t even keep their stories straight. They will say, do, twist, and misrepresent to get what they want. One of the most important aspects of this to me is, Will they accept what they say is good for us, or will they continue with their medical coverage which is not available or affordable to us? I say if it is good enough for one, it’s good enough for all.

Let’s see if I get the Obamacide healthcare bill rationale correct: Insurance companies are rationing healthcare. Rationing healthcare leads to people unnecessarily ill or dead. It’s evil. The oversight board set up by the healthcare legislation will have the final say on appropriate coverage for patients. That means rationing (or triage, if you prefer.) Now the government can take over from the greedy insurance companies that are causing patients to go without healthcare. In the current budgetary crisis we must have a major cutbacks on healthcare costs. Why? Because we are spending trillions to bailout too big to fail banks (e.g. Goand insurance companies (viz. AIG)gambling debts (AKA derivative securities.) Therefore I believe now our government under Obama wants to be brought into the business of doing evil in its own right. Bravo!

Thingumbob said “Let’s see if I get the Obamacide healthcare bill rationale correct: …”
and then proceeds to get everything wrong, because he starts with the premise that right-wing talking heads are telling him the truth about there being a government takeover of health care. Requiring insurers to make decisions based on medically determined standards of care, instead of PROFIT, is not about rationing. And having a public option is not “socialized medicine.” And health care reform isn’t evil just because you don’t like the results of the last presidential election.
Obamacide indeed. PFFFT. There’s fair and balanced for ya.

I understood that a senior moment was an act of forgetfulness, not an outright lie.

Susan, I don’t know a single ‘middle-class’ person without health care. Your so-called middle-class must be in a different country than th U.S. where 85% of people have health insurance and 100% hace access to health care.

Dustin, you are disingenuous. Public insurance will be paid by PREMIUMS as is every other insurance plan. If the government insurance plan becomes available, and it looks better than what I have now, I will switch. It’s entirely my call. That’s not scary to me, because I don’t watch FIXED NOs.
And you’re paying loads of taxes RIGHT NOW to pay for people without insurance who are relying on hospital charity care and using precious. expensive emergency room resources instead of doctors.
Take off the political blinders.

Why would taxes increase if the plan were paid entirely by sponsor premiums and independently solvent?! This is the problem. A public option will shift the marginal loss to private insurance sponsors…myself! If what you describe is the basis of this reform, then please understand that there is 0…goose egg…net change in health care costs. What reform is this? Purely socialization of our current practice. You want cheaper health care? Either accept fewer treatments or remove the current industry oligopoly and interstate competition constraints.

IF you don’t know a single middle-class person without health care, then you live in a cave.
Or you are lying.
Let’s see, in my own circle most of my twentysomething friends don’t get insurance through work and some are in college full-time just to stay under their parents’ plans. I have middle-aged friends who’ve been downsized: Some are still unemployed and their COBRAS were too expensive or ran out. Some are trying to be self-employed (can’t afford individual insurance). Some are cobbling together two or three part-time jobs (none offering health benefits).
So you either don’t know anybody or you’re just full of it.
Or both.

est. population (2008)of other socialized medicine countries:
United Kingdom–60,943,912
Ireland–4,156,119
Germany—-82,369.552
France——64,057,792
Italy——-58,145,320
Poland——38,500,696
Czech——-10,228,744
Greece——1o,722,744
Canada——35,000,000+
US———-300,000,000 +
less than 47,000,000 uninsured, that is almost as much or more than many of these countries have in population. It will take much more money and much more thought to reach a health care decision.
We need regulation, not nationalization.

Susan, if you are genuine and not wearing your own political blinders then you can state your case why we should not nationalize (subsidized or otherwise) every industry in America. And by the way, if in the long run they are going to allow private companies to administer the public money for this plan then how does that save any money. It in effect introduces another layer of complexity and management into the already over regulated, over-litigated system. And WHY OH WHY if it is sooooo good, doesnt their proposal include a mandate that ALL federal employees including congress be included in the new plan?

AARP is losing members by the droves because of Obama.I guess factcheck let the pres down.

“It’s free money! Thank God for Obama! He’s taking care of us” At least the reporter capitalized God.

Anyway, that’s taken me off on a tangent. If you personally don’t trust Politifact, then don’t read it. Try factcheck, or any other NEUTRAL news organization. They’re out there, just not on your mainstream TV channels. My point wasn’t originally to promote any one news organization, it’s that people need to start doing their research instead of just accepting the first thing they’re told, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

I have medicare. Recebtly congress decided a woman only needed a pap test every other year. I have anelevated cancer count in ny blood. My mother had cancer of the cervix. Do I have it also? Id I’m still here I can have it tested next year. Do you want congress or a doctor to dedcide what you need?????

@Stephen
Please show me where exactly in the bill it proposes health insurance for illegal immigrants? I’ve got several conservative web pages up telling me where to look, and I can’t find anything like that.

You people need to make up your mind. Either the AARP is a boot-licking dog to Obama, blindly following his whims everywhere, or else Obama is a liar for claiming they support him. You can’t have it both ways!

It’s clear by reading the leftists on this site there are many of them that want socialism. Most every country in the world with Govt health care, is failing. Their populations are much smaller than ours, but they can’t get it to work. The CBO says if the bill that obama refers to passes, there will still be over 30 million with out coverage. (I remind you lefties the CBO was always used by the Dems when they wanted to point out discrepancies, or in their minds, “lies” by Bush), so I now use it for them. Obama says “His” plan would save $2.2 trillion, but again, the CBO says that is completely wrong. They say it will cost us at least $2.7 trillion. The Dems say the Illegals won’t be covered, but pg 50-51 under SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE. they sure do imply this in fact will be the case.

I find it interesting that the people who oppose universal health care for everybody have the littlest knowledge of how the system would work, and what the citizens of other countries that have it, think of it. (They like it…travel and ask, don’t listen to FOX.) It never ceases to amaze me that positive progressive rational change in this country can be delayed or stopped by the childish behavior of the uninformed and easily manipulated. Its equally amazing to me that these very same people have no problem with spending nearly 700 billion dollars a year on bombs and tanks but come out and scream at congress-people when the idea of somebody getting a free doctors visit comes up. Don’t think we need health care reform? I’m 25, physically fit and have never had a single health issue in my life. Oh and I’m an american born and raised. I’m also self employed. The health care companies have denied me everytime. Their explanation? They don’t have one. They just say no. Or how about my wife? She is also denied because she is self-employed, and like me has no negative medical issues or history. I have a friend that went to France to have a surgery because he couldn’t get insurance here or afford the $15,000 bill. I have a friend that has pins in his foot that were supposed to come out 8 months ago but he can’t afford the surgery and is denied insurance from the corporations. Its not illegal aliens…its hard working, patriotic people that need this. Don’t believe the nonesense propoganda that is out there fueled by the multi-billion dollar health care companies. I’ll trust a Obama (who was elected by the people of this country) over some corporate head who is more concerned with his bottom line than the health of Americans. My only bit of advice for these angry people is this: move away from the tv, apply for a passport and get a clue.

I am an ex-patriot of the UK and can tell you that the National Health Service there is very good and that most people really appreciate it. If they can afford, people do take out private insurance to ensure faster treatment for non-life threatening conditions but the NHS provides a high standard of healthcare for all, especially critical care. It is truly a good system.

We need a whole new batch of representatives in both House and Senate. Check your current Congressman and Senator, remember their names and be sure to vote against them in 2010.

I only want to see one thing tied to the
health plan. You have to have a social
security number to get health care. No
illegal aliens who don’t pay taxes would
get health care. That would put a lot of
people on the side of Government run
health care. Stop the freeloading

i love when people say that the congressman work for them n they will vote them out in 2010 what u idiots don’t understand is that the 2010 election has already been rigged n guess what the dems won..

@dd
From the politifact article on that very point
A compromise plan offered by Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif., which passed the House Energy and Commerce Committee, seeks to alleviate many of the concerns expressed by abortion opponents — particularly the issue of tax dollars being used to subsidize abortions — while specifically making abortion coverage available in both the public plan and in private plans participating in the exchange.
Under the Capps amendment:
* Abortion coverage would not be part of the required minimum benefits package. In other words, insurers would not be required to offer, or be prohibited from offering, abortion services in order to participate in the exchange.
* The public plan could include abortion coverage, but the cost of the additional coverage could not be paid through public subsidies (tax dollars), only through the premiums paid by the insured. And with private plans in the exchange, again, federal subsidies could not be used for abortion coverage.
* Public funding would only be permitted for abortions allowed under the Hyde Amendment — in cases of rape, incest or when the mother’s life is in danger.
* At least one plan in every region must offer full abortion coverage; and one must not.
* Any insurance plan participating in the exchange cannot discriminate against hospitals or other health care facilities (such as Catholic hospitals) that are unwilling to provide abortions.
* The plan will not pre-empt any state laws regarding abortion, such as parental notification laws.

This post is in response to Roger who says he has no health care and about his friend who went to France for health care. I’ll ask you, your friend and all the liberals (and our reps in Washington) who think the health care and living is so great in other countries. Why don’t you leave the US and never come back? Seems you visit these countries you say are so great, but you always come back to US. If I thought other countries so great I’d find the best one and stay there. I had some one ask me not too long ago how I determined the US is the best place in the world to live and I said because so many people from all over the world come here to live and the saudis come her for health care. The person never had another negative word to say, because he knew I was correct. I believe in helping people when they are down, but each person was given two hands, one to help others and one to help himself. One last comment…I have family who live in Canada and they hate the health insurance program in place there. Thanks to sys admin for allowing my comments on this forum.

WE SHOULD ALL JOIN HANDS IN ANY WAY WE CAN TO MOVE AMERICA FORWARD. AMERICA IS A NATION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HEALTH CARE THAT COVERS THE WHOLE OF AMERICAN CITIZENS DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS COUNTRY! IT IS VERY SAD AND UNBELIEVABLE THAT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA TODAY, CAN NOT AFFORD TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND GET THIS DONE NOW AND FOR ONCE. WE CAN DO THIS ONLY IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. AMERICA CAN DO MORE THAN HEALTH CARE!!!

When Bill Burton, from the president’s press room gets in front of the camera and will not answer the simple question of whether or not the e-mails are deleted from the WhiteHouse Snitch Sites then you know there are much bigger problems. This morning George Soros and the feds (read taxpayers) handed out free money in New York. $200 per child to get school clothes. This is just another attempt for anti-American forces to feed the greed of people who want the government to do everything for them. In an attempt to undermine our charities and private citizens who do so much good for this country, ole Georgie boy wants to show us all how compassionate he is so he gives a quick fix with our tax dollars. Of course, when these charitable institutions have been demolished and there is no more personal wealth left with the exception of the dictator and his czars, these same people will be wondering why they are so hungry. This medical “care” plan is just part of the destruction of the freedoms that the founding fathers established in this country. AARP supports the plan, no it doesn’t, yes it does, no it doesn’t………..and now the president, yes it does. Using the post office as an example of how a public plan won’t hurt private industry IS the exact reason that we don’t need one. Yes, I use FedEx and UPS and will never use USPS again. Nine amendments were turned down that would block the taxpayers from being forced to pay for abortions. One even passed for about 2 hours, but Nancy and Harry called it back after making a backroom deal with a democrat who changed his vote. Cutting 500 billion dollars from medicare won’t result in rationed care? This president and his minions are trying to set up a framework that will result in a country you will not recognize. By the way, while we talk about this, 1000′s of people are unemployed and 1000′s of acres have been dried up in order to save minnows in CA. Maybe we should put humans on the endangered species list. When a guppie has more rights then a person it doesn’t take much imagination to know that HR3200 is a death kiss to all but the choose few, and it AIN’T us folks.

I agree that some changes need to be made in healthcare and I encourage President Obama in his efforts. I hope it will include government funded abortions. Young women should not be required to have an unwanted child. It would be tragic to have women seeking illegal abortions. Information and education are the keys to prevention of these problems. The other major concern I have is the right to request life ending counseling. I believe that once I become 85 years old, if my health is failing, I should have the right to request a peaceful death at any time; furthermore, I believe that any patient who is dealing with a painful and life ending condition should have the right to request a peaceful death.

Hi,I am 62, a Democrat, legally blind & in a Wheelchair, have worked all my life & paid into Medicare & my employee matched that amt. it went to the Gov. & when it was set up it was to be put in a fund with all other monies withheld and to draw interest to be paid out when individuals reached 62/65 or as added later the disabled.
The Senators started taking large sums of that money from the S.S. fund to put in the General Fund & leaving IOU’s & then had the Gaul to tell the American people that the S.S. would run out of funds sometime around 2037. (Now talk about robbery) If the Gov. was the least bit worried about the S.S. WHY did they not use part of any of the Stimulus Bills Money to repay the IOU’s & S.S. would now be solvent.
Is Obama lying or is ARRP lying. I listened to A Town Hall Meeting that an ARRP Representative was attending and he did say that they would have to wait until the final bill was approved to fully back it. Even Obama or the Dem’s can’t agree on a finally Bill. So I guess Obama is S t r e a c h i n g the truth as usual. I am sick of it.

Roger: You & your wife are young, physically fit & you say you can’t get health care coverage? Are you trying to get it for free? I’m sorry I don’t believe you. I also have traveled extensively, & everywhere I have gone with Govt run health coverage you hear the same stories, normal family doctor situations, ie; colds, flu, minor surguries etc, aren’t the problem. It’s the other medical problems that arise, ie; cancers, transplants, major surgeries, expensive medications that aren’t covered… or have very, very long waiting lists. I have been reading extensively on H.R. 3200, & would read Obama’s bill if he had one, I do agree we need some reform, but not the whole system, and definitely not slamming it down our throats until MAJOR debate. I’m not talking about these one sided prime-time infomercials with pre-screened questions by Obama, but debate with doctors, nurses, & health-care mgr’s. I know many Doctors, & the vast majority aren’t for any overhaul until they look at TORT reform. I remember when Bush tried to do some reform while he was Prez, & the Dems thought he was crazy, accusing him of crying wolf, and using scare tactics. I guess now, the only ones who really care about us are Obama & the Dems, Yea Right ! ! ! Come on 2010, & 2012.
“The essence of Freedom is the proper limitation of Government”

JV,
Those roads, buildings, etc. that were built using illegals. Don’t you realize that those jobs are taken away from Americans who are looking for work? I blame Government (for not doing something about illegals) & business owners (who emply) illegals for the situation in this country…Look at any of the Border States & their Medicaid outlays & the vast majority of it goes to treating illegal aliens…That’s our tax dollars at work, going to pay for something it shouldn’t. If they came into the country by legal means, I have no problem with that, but to circumvent our laws & then expect Government services, I do have a problem with that. That’s one of the reasons our Health care system needs overhauling.

Goldstardad,
God’s honest truth…been turned down by every single company with no explanation. I’m not alone here and that’s the main problem. Fortunately I can afford my medical expenses without insurance, but there are so many that cannot. Everyone is so worried about being at the mercy of the government. What’s the difference now? If you cannot afford the hyper-inflated medical costs of this country and the corporation won’t insure you, what are you to do? Setting up a public option so the relatively small number of people that fit into this category are covered is the very least we can do in the richest country in the world.
Roger

Roger, you said”Setting up a public option so the relatively small number of people that fit into this category are covered is the very least we can do in the richest country in the world.”….We already have that option, it’s called Medicaid. The poorest people use the Emergency rooms like a Primary Care Doctor’s office & that is what’s bankrupting Medicaid.So if we put in a public option, it’s only going to be an extension of Medicaid & will bleed money just like Medicaid

Guys..I don’t think anybody is saying no health care reform is needed. The problem is that the plan being proposed is unaffordable, gives the government too much control and ultimately will reduce everyones benefits and quality of care as the program fights to give coverage to those who dont have it and some that dont want it. The presidents comments that the status quo is unacceptable is true, but that does not mean that we should accept this dog of a plan.
if he would stop trying to shove this down our throats, he would get less arguement and more discussion. By calling the opposition Nazi’s and “KKK like”, the dems only worsen the debate and basically tell the concerned citizens of this country to go to hell.

The main reasons we citizens fear healthcare reform is quite simple.1..no one knows all the changes the bill contains, including the sponsors of the bill. they just want to ram it through and make us suffer for it.2..we dont know the true cost involved, and frankly, i dont believe anyone really does. 3. if they seek to increase coverage and reduce cost, how can we seniors not be excluded, or have our medical services and needs not be reduced?? its mostly higher taxes and reduced services we fear most, and a lack of our voices being heard and recognized by our own representatives..

Senator Specter is totally OUT OF TOUCH with not only Seniors but the populac at large. When “WE” the public get the same benefits and entitlments (which are funded buy the tax payers) in health and in retirement benefits, then we can be happy too! Our Congress people should not have one system for them and one for the public and they do not pay a dime into their system or ours. It should be, everyone pays and everyone receives the same benefits. If they would do that, we would not have to “fix” the system. They don’t have to fix theirs. If they had to pay into the system just like us, you can bet things would be different. WAKE UP Americans. We need justice here.

I am a Canadian, born and raised in Canada, and have lived here all my life. I am very pleased with our Canadian, single-payer, national health care system. As with any human system, it is not perfect. But my own long experience informs me that, whenever I required surgery or other major hospital services, the required operations, doctors and procedures were there for me, in place, and within reasonalble time depending on my problem. I also praise the fact that the millionaire with a broken thumb goes to the back of the line, all his or her money be damned, while the poor woman with a kidney stone gets immediate treatment. It is true, there are often long wait times for elective surgeries and some other procedures, and that we need more sophisticated testing equipment and, of course, more doctors and “nurse practioners.” Also, our present government system does not cover dental visits or procedures, and the private profit companies still offer a wide range of private insurance coverage for such things as prescription drugs, medical appliances, semi-private or private hospital rooms and so on. My regular visits to my family doctor and most tests she orders are covered by the government health plan. All persons 65 or older have their prescription drugs covered by the government less a yearly $100 fee and a small dispensing fee of $6.18 per prescription, including very expensive drugs used for cancers, for example.
Aside from the moral position that every Canadian citizen is entitled to health care as a right of citizenship, Canadian business and industry is only burdened with co-sponsoring at some or other per centage the much smaller costs of the private insurance “supplementary health benefits” packages, which helps create lower costs of production here than in the USA. Any Canadian can walk into any hospital and our government health insurance is good in that hospital. Pre-existing conditions are not even an issue. As reported by Lou Dobbs on CNN, 70% of Canadians say they are at least satisfied with out system, our national average life span is marginally greater than in the United States, and our maximum tax burden was reported by Dobbs at 29% as against 35% in the USA.
Some time ago, a close friend was offered a professional position in the USA at a six figure salary, but turned it down because he did not want to “live in or raise children in that country.” For me, the moral issue is paramount: medical care for all citizens should NOT be a place that private enterprise is allowed in order to make money. Illness, pain and disease are not “for profit” points. If only Americans, in large numbers, would see that…

This is the wrong plan, just like President.

Remember the old proverbs:
“Once The Camels head is in the tent, the body is sure to follow”
Give them an inch they will take a mile”
Don’t trust government, question everything”…Thomas Jefferson

@John C
Little details like this seem to be escaping people.
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States.
To everyone claiming they no one knows what’s in the bill, it’s all right here.

@Justaguy
He asked for someone with a critical question to stand up; she did. She’s the one that doesn’t understand the meaning of “critic”, not the President.

I sometimes wonder if American commentators know what “Socialism” actually is. The fundamental essential idea of real socialism is that the government OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION:
the important mines and resources, the large factories, the banks, the large farms, the railroads and airlines, and any other major economic institution or rresource. I think it would be better to
talk about the appropriate sectors of the economy that are proper for public oownership or government management as
opposed to private ownership and for
profit enterprise. Having said all that, yes, the “center of political
gravity” is significantly more to the
left of the political spectrum here in
Canada as compared to the USA, although we, too, have our radical, right-wing,
laissez-faire types as well, and many
are concentrated in our prairie province
of Alberta and some in right-wing think
tanks, such as the Fraser Institute in
Vancouver on our Pacific Coast.

Obama has promised no rationing of healthcare, no long lines to see doctors. Not true. Or at least not true for the largest consumers of healthcare, the elderly. Obama plans to pay for his $1.6 trillion plan, in part, by cutting $500 billion in spending for Medicare. At a time when the number of Medicare recipients is growing every year, Obama is going to CUT SPENDING for this group. Your granny and grandpa are not going to get the healthcare they need under this plan. If the AARP endorses this plan, they will have a revolt when their members found out about it.

As long as we are on the abortion debate… did you know that the Health Care Bill will not only produce MORE tax-payer funder abortions, but will also get rid of many state and federal restrictions on abortion? Such as: abortion-on-demand, late term abortions up to the third trimester, and it would also allow minors to seek abortions WITHOUT notifying their parents.
This is a tragic crime to the unborn child as Planned Parenthood already gets lots of our tax dollars for dishing out cheap/free contraceptives, birth-control pills, the like… And as a side note, this bill would also fund the embryonic stem-cell research which is by far out performed by Adult stem-cells. Case in point: Recently a test was done that took a few people who were blind/partially-blind in one eye and fine in the other. The researchers scraped adult stem-cells off of the good eye and applied them to a contact lens which was applied to the bad eye. Within three weeks, the patients eyes were starting to show signs of healing so much that they could pass a drivers test!

I WAS AT THE CAR DEALER TODAY ASKING ABOUT THE CASH FOR CLUNKERS PROGRAM AND THEY HAVE SUSPENDED IT UNTIL THEY SEE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. IF THIS IS ANY INDICATION HOW THERE HEALTH PLAN WILL WORK WE’RE IN BIG TROUBLE.

But wait. Do not private, for-profit insurance companies come between you and your doctor all the time in your country? I have heard that if you do not go to the hospital your insurance company has arrangements with, you are not covered; that pre-existing condition debates delay or prohibit recommended medical work; that doctors must get pre-approval from insurance companies for this or that drug, procedure or tests? Surely, the interference, second-guessing and limitations imposed by insurance company bureaucrats and bean counters, all in the name of profits, are far greater than any government official is ever likely to impose.
The other thing that bothers me is that Americans WHO HAVE HEALTH CARE say they are satisfied with THEIR health care. Fine. Do they give a damn about anyone else’s health care, including the tens of millions of their fellow citizens with none? Are Americans, by and large, really that selfish and self-centred? Surely, Americans are a better people and a better nation than that…

To Scott: The abortion issue is only one problem with this proposed health care reform. There are many – How are we going to pay for this? Our children and grandchildren will carry the burden.
The government will decide who should live and who should die. I don’t care what the President says. You need to read up and listen to the real truth. Yes, everyone should have coverage. Yes the current system needs reform but this is not the reform we need. The President is acting “stupidly” by rushing this through. We have time to get this right!! We that do not support this bill do not hate others who need health care. But we do love our unborn babies, our children, our grandchildren and senior parents. Abortion is a sin. It is Biblical. I will not support any bill that subsidizes abortion! And, I will not support any government-run bill. There are better options. We just need the chance to put them on the table. Have a blessed day and pray for our President and our country.

@John C
Little details like this seem to be escaping people.
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States.
To everyone claiming they no one knows what’s in the bill, it’s all right here.
This refers to AFFORDABILITY CREDITS not payment of benefits. Which determination is a function of MEDICAID. Has nothing to do with payment of hospital usage which today payment is not guarenteed but treatment is. this posted in every public hospital as you enter, and somewhere on all floors.

As I see it, the most pressing issue about this plan is what it will cost the people of America. Soros and his puppet, Obama, Pelosi, Frank, The Fed, etc are trying to break our monetary system to join us up with the rest of the world. This switch to National Healthcare with the expense given to the American people through business taxes, etc would finally break the country. Then the government would reduce us to serfdom–oh, but that is conspiracy, right?? Kind of like Obama saying just yesterday that the AARP is supporting the plans–look it up–He lied.
The second most pressing issue is that we need no more government control.
Thirdly, Texas has reformed their system through tort reform and has amassed 9 bil in reserve. (Who are the majority of legislators but trial lawyers who make big money on the backs of Doctors.) A docs fee in an emergency room is about 125-180 dollars per hour. A cheap lawyer gets 250 dollars per hour–that is absolute bottom dollar.
Docs pay a chunk of change for malpractice insurance while also over-ordering tests to protect themselves from the lawyers. I am a nurse for 25 years and know of no Doc that has ever wanted to hurt someone. Can’t say that for lawyers.
Idea! Let’s reform the judicial system! Oh, I forgot, no one polices them except themselves so who are they looking after?????
Roll up your sleeves and let’s get it done, America!!! We are still a free people who are allowed to make our own way and not rely on the government to limit our abilities!!!
One other fact—healthcare represents 1/7th of the GDP of the USA. By owning Amtrak, Car Companies, and Healtcare, it seems that the below mentioned definition of “socialism” is being fairly well met.

We could have decent health care insurance if we weren’t sending so much health care money overseas for abortions, etc.
Bring that money back to America and use it on Americans.
I know what military govt health care is like and it sucks. It will be the same for you guys. If this plan was so good, why is Congress and the President exempt from it? Just like SSI, wasn’t good enough for the crooks on the hill, so they exempted themselves out of it and live a wealthy retirement life, unlike you serfs..
The plan does state, if your handicap or disable, you get very little coverage. your not a benifit to society, your no good under communist law. so you die.

Man is not free unless government is limited.
Ronald Reagan

Tapper, Hemmer too busy playing gotcha on Obama’s AARP comments to report relevant facts:

Nancy Pelosi would have us believe that these seniors are all paid consultants to the insurance companies. Please .. Nancy get a brain .. bet yet, resign .. you fool.
By this time next year, Nancy’s picture will be over on Wikipedia under “stupid politicians”.

Typical politician: you can tell he’s lying if you can see his lips moving

Obama’s townhall was definitely rigged, and how about the 11-year-old girl who asked the pres about something she had been instructed to ask? I’ve heard she has actually campaigned for Obama..what is that all about?

“This quote will be taken out of context.”
-Ronald Reagan

Seniors may be old, but they are not stupid. You can’t add 45 million people to govt assisted healthcare and not expect to bog down the system. Who will lose the most? Seniors! Deduct 500 billion from Medicare and who will lose? Seniors! Let a govt official get to decide who gets medical care and who gets to die and who will lose? Seniors! We, all seniors, need to let AARP, our govt representatives, and any one who will listen that this bill (so called health reform)needs to fail.

If AARP does not soon begin supporting the opinion of it’s membership, they will soon be expected new officers, top to bottom. Disavow OBAMMACARE totally.

AARP is not close in their public statements to what I feel is the older public feelings. Listen to your membership!!

If this health care bill is so grand, how come the house shot down the idea that if the bill passes, then they too will use the same insurance as joe everyman? You think they want to give up their sweet a** insurance? No and i dont either. The insurance benefits i get from my job are part of my salary, i earn them when i work. If we get socialized health care do you think i am going to see that extra 8k a year that my employer pays so i can have nice health care? I dont think so. I hate career politicians, they just dont know what the real world is like. You cant see it from your pedestal. And you cant see it going into a ghetto in chicago twice a year. Come live in it for a couple years then tell me whats good for me.

Dear Sir, I understand you are in bed with SEIU.. If there is a possibillity that you and this union are in agreament and their purpose is to destroy we the people, I will no longer be able to support you. Barbara

Forgot to mention, no one is able to break our countries freedoms. Your bill of health care sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I hope you don’t want your Mother & Father under it. You’ll be committing murder!
President O’bama was given a fair chance & guess what! He’s blowing it down the tubes. No one will ever trust him again. The Democrats are gone in the next election.
By the way, I was raised staunch Democrat!

Nancy Pelosi is an ass!! Let’s get her out of office!!!
Let’s start an O’bama get out of town petition. He’s a ” LIAR ‘! By the way, why is he any different than Bush bringing our soldiers into another war with Afghanistan. What’s the difference if we’re fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? He’s all talk.! He’s a dead beat!

You are right, the middle class is very much fed up.
This is the middle class that Ms. Fudge is talking about. The premiums for many in the middle class would go up, and quite a few of them don’t even make 100,000 thousand a year. Get rid of this bill now. We’ll all either be on the public plan or out of a job, because us or employers can pay for this expensive of a premium.
Ms. Fudge
Congressional Record July 20,2009
“Effective in 2013, assistance will be available for individuals and families that fall below the 133 percent to 400 percent of the Federal poverty level. Financial assistance will limit individual and family spending on premiums from a minimum of 1.5 percent of income for those with the lowest income and maxing out at 11 percent of income for those at 400 percent of poverty or more.”
Posted by: YourKidding?
@blessing320:
“We own 2 homes worth 1.9 million”
You are absolutely, positively the exact class of people that NONE OF THIS DISCUSSION affects. You own 2 homes worth nearly 2 mil and you want to believe you’re middle class? Come to my neighborhood and I’ll show you REAL middle class. And then you’re going to say AARP is too expensive… you ingrateful and out of touch idiot. Try telling that to the couple who barely make $100K combined, have kids and still live in an apartment… and why? Because the entire system is set up to reward the rich and feed the poor and screw everyone else inbetween. Guess what? $100K combined is MIDDLE CLASS.
Poor people get damn near free, albeit less quality, healthcare.
Rich people could give 2 craps because whats a $100 mammogram to a person who has $2 mil in assets?
Screw you and your ignorance. I don’t care if you’re for or against Obama, what’s becoming clearer and clearer in this country is that there is a class war brewing where the wealthy don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves; the poor keep taking and taking; while the middle gets nothing. We’re supposed to be prideful citizens of the same nation who will do what it takes to take care of each other… well why am I gonna give a crap about your $2 mil homes when you don’t give a crap about anyone else? Here’s to higher property taxes, I hope you choke on it.

Obama has no idea how to help america. and frankly I don’t think he is interested. I will not be participating in aarp if they support this.

Hey Winz you whiner. Dont you know that people like you have made this country go down hill because we have all had to succumb to the minority of people who cry and whine about life and how it is sooo unfare that you dont have what others do. (1.9 million dollar homes) Well the solution to that problem used to be go out and work your tail off and pretty soon you will have what others have. If everybody took that HARD WORK Capitalistic approach that we used to, then we as a whole would be a lot better off. Instead the criers and whiners have finally broken through all the way to White House and have succeeded in making people feel bad about who they are by saying things like, “You dont care about anybody but yourself”. First of all how do you know if that person does’nt care about others and secondly it is our rights to not give a damn about anything if we dont want to. Thats the beauty of a Capitallistic system. It punishes you if you dont care about working hard and contributing to society. Those that dont make it are the ones who did’nt want to work hard and now those people are the ones on the sidewalks screaming and yelling at thier special interest Acorn type rallies.
By being a good worker and working on your own piece of land and home you then are doing your own part in making society a better place. That is far more valuable than walking around claiming to care about everybody else who you dont know and cant control how they live. You can control your own life and if everybody lived by that credo then believe me society would be far better off than the Liberal Politically Correct Country we have become. Hold yourself accountable before you hold others accountable. Its a much simpler solution and system for people to live under. I know I know, Capitalism is a racist, unforgiving and elitist system. Please! You can be who you want to be under it and thats that!

I find it amusing that someone would defend England’s single-payer system(i.e. govt. monopoly).It is a national joke.One can read numerous horror stories coming out of that institution weekly.They have had decades to “iron the wrinkles out,” but somehow the central planners can’t quite get it right.One of the greatest follies of central planning is that the bureaucrats are alwasy applying static solutions to conditions that are inherently dynamic.The problem we have here in the states is all of the govt. involvement through programs,the tax code,mandates,and state insurance monopolies created by our glorious leaders that won’t allow individuals to purchase health insurace across state lines.And to the less than bright person who insinuated that everything would be better if Dr.s ran the healthcare leviathon-wouldn’t it be better if Dr’s weren’t spending vast swaths of their time being glorified paper pushers in a bureaucratic hell?!?

Mr president,why are you flying around the country ,using tax payers money,to try to convince the people of america that your health bill is good for them? This is not a campain,and this is not a peoples vote. It is a congress vote,and you and the democrats own it,so what are you waiting for? If youi want it so bad, get youir lieing a%% back to Washington and pass the damn bill,and take the responsibility that your were elected for.Or are you just afraid you might get the blame for its failure and then you will not be re-elected.Don`t worry about that because the way you are going,you will be thrown out of office before the next election.The truth about your past, will be displayed by the republicans before the next election. The republicans knew they would lose this election and also know how to get it back. They are not as dumb as most democrats think they are.MAN UP and make your own decissions and take responsibility for those decissions.

AARP will not get my membership, sounds too fishy to me, they say just enough you think they are not approving Obama Health care reform and then on the other hand they love parts of the Health care reform…make up your mind. They are not fighting for us at all, they are worried about their Money, membership please…they don’t actually care about Seniors…its money you know $$$$$$$’s

Very interesting , thanks