Reid Confident on Health Care, Despite, “Loud, Shrill” Interruptions at Town Hall Meetings

The call of Freedom always sounds loud and shrill to tyrants.

Dodd has no relevance since he got a very favorable mortgage from Countrywide.
He didn’t know!

Once again politicians ignore the voice of the people. Once again I’ll say “I told you so”. Once again someone will call me a neo-con jerk or something similar. Again they’ll elect another politician who’ll use a silver tongue to tell them what they want to hear and ignore them after the election. … The ruling elite will always ignore the proletariat and the proletariat will always re-elect the people who tell them what they want to hear then ignore them again…. I’ll just sit here and say “I told you so.” … and be called a neo-con jerk.

AIG – Oh ya I forgot!

Obamacrat:”I used to support President Barack Obama, but this is how Barack Obama describes his constituents? “loud, shrill”? I disagree with Barack Obama, but am I “loud, shrill”? ”
Did you read the article? This is Senator Reid, not Obama.
(And would you just drop the schtick that you even supported Obama? It’s really getting old.)

“In spite of the loud, shrill voices trying to interrupt town hall meetings and just throwing a monkey wrench into everything, we’re going to continue to be positive and work hard.”
Now freedom of speech and dissent is a monkey wrench. Wow, what a freedom loving Senate Majority Leader. At least Obama would lie and say “we want to hear those voices” and fill us with some inclusion blather. I guess Ried is honest.

i guess the people at these town hall meetings should be kissing their rings? God forbid anyone put up any form of opposition. I’m glad I live in a red state.

Those grassroots people better be careful. Big brother is watching and taking names.
From the white house web site:
“There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to (I removed the link but will try to insert it in another post)”
In addition they used their “in house fake news” recording studio, which is paid for by taxpayers to put out a propaganda video attacking a posting on drudge and claiming it was a lie. The problem with this is it was a link to Obama in his own words.
The state run media will take this propaganda and cycle it as fact and news.
Since when do bloggers get REPORTED to the white house. This is not a group who that will shy away from intimidation to quiet their detractors. What they actually want is a report of any dissent, as proven by the drudge assault.
This is corrupt thuggery and frightening beyond anything we have ever witnessed in government. Total control.

We, here in Nevada, didn’t vote for this! The voters in Nevada don’t want to be referred to as “loud and shrill” by their own elected official. Harry, you work for us ….. you listen to us….even the loud and shrill ones.

Is that smoke I smell?
Are the natives restless?
Big Brother has something to fear, indeed!!
It’s called the “2nd Amendment”.

I guess the left-wing doesn’t have extremist, eh Ryan? They are in both camps…it’s just a shame that the current administration has their sites set on only one political party.

“I guess the left-wing doesn’t have extremist, eh Ryan? They are in both camps…it’s just a shame that the current administration has their sites set on only one political party.”
Left wingers are gunning down cops because they are lunatics convinced that Obama is coming for their guns?
Where?

(And would you just drop the schtick that you even supported Obama? It’s really getting old.)
You know what? I got on the O-train early, gave $ and everything hoping for the real thing. I thought it was time for a change.
I hopped off at the emergence and discovery of Reverend Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, Tony Rezko and Bill Ayers. Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times?
I can connect the dots. I wish more people would have used their minds instead of their hearts in the past election but others are finally starting to figure things out. I can’t blame them for taking so long, I was fooled for a while, too.
We want to see, what we want to see until the evidence becomes undeniable.

When there were protesters at every Bush event. Camps of protest set up in texas near Bush’s home, code pink protestors throwing fake blood on condoleeza rice, books on how to kill the pres, plays on how to kill the pres, buttons with Bush photo and a gun to his head, stamps with bush photo and a gun to his head, vanity fair article with Bush as “the joker”
It was all lauded and considered artistic and the mood of the people. Dems are enraged when the public talks back. How insolent of us. The big baby dems can dish it out but howl like infants when their agenda is roundly rejected by the public and the public has the nerve to say so. All polls show that the majority does not want their lousy health care reform forced down our throats.
Obama is so arrogant he will squash those that get in his way. Since when does the whitehouse plan opposition tactics against the public, and do so openly? When they have control of the state run press they can and will do this.
NO LOUSY RATIONED HEALTH CARE
NO SINGLE PAYER PIECE OF GARBAGE
NO ‘END OF LIFE’ COUNSELING, TO FORCE END OF LIFE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE.
Obama in his own words on video, Barney Frank in his own words on video, Jan Schakowsky in her own words on video, all tell us that this will of course lead to a single payer government run option. Don’t believe any lie to the contrary.

I have seen some of the footage of some of the ‘Shrill’ town halls. I have always been of the opinion that my congress people represent my interests.
Abdication of this understanding will result in political suicide. I am astounded that all up for reelection in ’10 don’t see this.
Time to update your resume boys…we don’t need you to listen if you don’t want. We’ll simply replace you with someone who will.

So, you have 1 example of an old man that deserved to be in a mental ward and all of a sudden the right wing is full of terrorists? Wow.
‘Left wing extremists caused much of the damage at the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle.’
source: “militant extremists in the united states” by Holly Fletcher 4/21/08

You ain’t seen nothing yet! American patriots will not accept marxist/commumism that is being shoved down their throat!

Also from Holly Fletcher’s report
“Are right-wing domestic terrorists still active?
Yes. Attacks by left-wing or special-interest groups were the most common until the 1990s, when right-wing terrorists began staging more attacks aimed at civilians. The FBI says that the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by far-right extremists who feared increased UN involvement in domestic policies, opposed stricter gun-control laws, and were enraged by “several confrontations between members of right-wing groups and law enforcement officers at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho.” A right-wing extremist, Eric Robert Rudolph, was also responsible for the 1996 Olympics bombing in Atlanta that killed two and injured more than one hundred. The decline of right-wing terrorist attacks since 2001 could be attributed to extremists’ anger shifting toward foreign entities and away from the U.S. government, the Los Angeles Times reported in March 2008.
The FBI reports that eight of the fourteen terrorist acts prevented between 2002 and 2005 were planned by right-wing groups. The others ranged from an anarchist plan to bomb a Coast Guard station, a prison-gang attempt to attack military and Jewish targets around Los Angeles, and a few people who attempted, individually, to establish ties with al-Qaeda.”

“I’m glad Clinton was able to free those reporters and Ryan C, I think that everyone is happy for these two and their families but again, YOU are ignoring WHAT it took…EXPERIENCED people to get the job done.”
Who sent Bill Clinton to North Korea?
Oh yeah….
Again, reporters being freed from NK should be a reason for all to celebrate.
Right wingers of course bash Obama for no reason about it.
That is because the right wing only knows how to destroy not how to build anything.
Its why the right wing is hoping that the economy is still in bad shape in 2 years because having to argue policy is a losing proposition.

“It makes me wonder why right wingers are so against entitlement programs like the GI Bill and whose commitment to the troops seems limited to a car magnet.”
The GI Bill isn’t given out as an entitelment. You commit to at least 4 years of sacrificing service for that privelage. You have to fulfill your commitment and recieve an honorable discharge. Its not an entitlement, its earned. Only in the recent bill did you have to serve 30 consecutive days (reserves) and 3 years active duty. Still, honorable discharge (or medical) applies.

Rahms brother, a Dr. and advisor on health care to Obama and Peter Orzag, office of white house budget management writes extensively on rationing health care. Here is a small excerpt from the washington examiner, which also links to Emmanuels articles in the Lancet and another medical journal.
“Emanuel has written in medical journals of how health care should be rationed, with priority given to younger people over seniors and over those suffering from dementia, according to John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). Ezekiel also believes that very young children should be lower on the priority list than younger people who have received public educations.
Goodman cites an article Ezekiel co-authored with two other men that appeared in the January 31, 2009, edition of the British medical journal, The Lancet. Goodman also cites a 1996 article by Ezekiel that appeared in The Hastings Report. In the latter, which was titled “Where civic republicanism and deliberative democracy meet,” Ezekiel argued for limiting health care for “individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.” He cited “not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” as an example.
Anyone who believes health care will not be severly rationed should have their head examined, just be sure to get it done before they ram this lousy health care government run health care debacle down our collective throats or up our collective (well you get it)

Why won’t the media report who these people really are?
Code Pink does meeting interruptions all the time, with more people than FreedomWorks.
Just look at the difference in the reporting though. The Brooks Brothers rioters are portrayed as “angry citizens” and Code Pink is “wacko extremists”
Tells you alot.
One thing it tells you is that the FreedomWorks people are the same as the people funding the media.

The insurance industry and the legislators they’ve bought are afraid of a real discussion on healthcare at town hall meetings, so their pathetic and desperate plan is to bring in the wingnuts to yell from a script. I was for a strong public option before, but these tactics are making me want to push hard for single payer healthcare.

“Posted by: Hope | Aug 4, 2009 5:38:05 PM”
Psssst repeating what you saw on FoxNews does not qualify as independent thought and carrying right wing water while claiming to be independent is laughable.

“Why won’t the media report who these people really are?”
These people are your neighbors, your family members and your co-workers. They are overwhelmed at the unread bills that have been passed Congress.
They do not want the government deciding what health care plan they can buy for their families. They want grandma to be seen as a person and not as a quality of life equation.
They fear the taxes that are going to be required to fund all these pie in the sky ideas from the left. They are seeing Obama for who he really is, what he really believes and they feel duped.
The anger is real.

Ok…anyone protesting our legislation is an extremist sent out by the RNC. It’s all manufactured. Now that you have your talking points go out and marginalize and belittle!
Posted by: Andy | Aug 4, 2009 5:41:15 PM
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Wow, that is good news for the RNC since all polls show the majority of people oppose this lousy government run health care debacle. RNC influence must be growing by leaps and bounds.
That aside the polls tell us that it is more than republicans who don’t want this garbage rammed down our throats. Independents also oppose this louse unaffordable, rationed health care plan.
There are too many people opposed to this to have the dems legitimately whine about republican agitation. And even if it were true.. SO WHAT. People have a right to speak up, even if they agree with the RNC.

Please remind me, when George Soros funded so many many groups starting with moveon.org did the dems whine and claim they could not participate because they were being falsely ” agitated ” into protesting.
The public does not want Obama’s lousy rationed health care. The polls reflect that. You cannot organize people to protest against something unless they agree with the protest, it is too much trouble.
Obama has no spine and cannot tolerate dissent. He is so arrogant that dems are throwing a collective tantrum on his behalf, because the public is not lying down for their garbage.

“Please remind me, when George Soros funded so many many groups starting with moveon.org did the dems whine and claim they could not participate because they were being falsely ” agitated ” into protesting.”
ROFLMAO!
George Soros?
ROFLMAO!

“I know it’s tough in your reality, especially w/ all of US against YOU and your beloved.”
ROFLMAO!
Whose reality is that?

Wake up Ryan.
George Soros is behind MoveOn and Media Matters and other leftist sites. He is the money behind the message. Just google his name and read.

The community instigater is now seeing his own tactics being used against him..and he doesn’t like it… Harry reid does not have the spine for this fight, he is up for reelection next year and its not looking good for him or dodd….. Rahm Emanuel called out on his Chicago thuggery and he backs down.. Where they go we will go and confront them.. even moveon.org said they out organized us at a DEATHCARE event.. Well will be there.. join us and look for any town hall meet in or close to your area and BE VOCAL
LMAO Michelle shut Joy Bahar up yesterday.. Bahar could not say anything without Michelle shoving it back into her left wing hate filled mouth

“George Soros is behind MoveOn and Media Matters and other leftist sites. He is the money behind the message. Just google his name and read.”
ROFLMAO!
The right wing fantasies about George Soros being the man behind the curtain are quite amusing.
If Israel were not so important to evanglicals, I can imagine how he would be characterized

“. LMAO Michelle shut Joy Bahar up yesterday.. Bahar could not say anything without Michelle shoving it back into her left wing hate filled mouth”
ROFLMAO!
One of the few times Elizabeth Hasselback can posit herself as the right wing intellectual in a conversation on the View!

Sounds like Obama is getting everything he wanted. Be sure to submit his name to the White House site that is monitering ‘disinformation’:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program… And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

the middle class now knows they are going to have to pay taxes to float health care for those who dont pay. as long as it only affected the rich no one cared. gietner and summers let the cat out of the bag that most of us knew was going to happen. the right wing must now be those who have a job and pay taxes. someone is not telling the truth in d.c….is it geitner,summers,biden or obama. you choose. in the meantime enjoy your foreign car paid for with US TAXPAYER dollrs.

harry reid is laughable because people are taking this on.we saw the success of acorn and moveon and how they organized….the grass root folks are just following their lead. the recess is great because we are seeing the devil in the details and who is going yo have to pay for this…and its not 5% of the population anymore.

regarding soros…5 million is alot considering you can buy an ambassadorship for only 500k. 5 million buys alot of influence..ask larry summers.

Harry Reid, the CLUELESS puppet of Nancy Pelosi, hasn’t heard anything yet. Just wait until he is up for re-election next year. This bozo is HISTORY!!

The LEFTIST IDIOTS who are trying to ram this disgusting Socialized Health Care fiasco down our throats are in for a rude awakening. They WILL listen to us or they will be looking for new jobs after they are thrown out on their Keesters next year. We are mad as Hel and we VOTE!!

“ryanc…is george soros a U.S. citizen?”
According to Forbes, he is.

ryanc…thank you for the info.

By the way, remember Obama’s words as he sent his gangs of Obamabots out to support health care, and I quote
“In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.
“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.”
Argue with them? Get in their face?
What a lousy whiny hypocrite. Do as I say not as I do.

These SOBs will see how shrill we are when we VOTE THEIR ####S OUT!
The nerve of them to ignore us!
10,000 strong in Ohio and everywhere… picking up speed.

===“In spite of the loud, shrill voices trying to interrupt town hall meetings and just throwing a monkey wrench into everything, we’re going to continue to be positive and work hard.”===
Loud, shrill voices? Throwing a monkey wrench into everything? Is this a course in how to win friends and influence people? The polls are on our side. I guess those are loud and shrill and they certainly contain a monkey wrench or two.

Loud shrill voices stopped Bush,Kennedy and Mccain from giving us “scamnesty” for Illegals. Loud shrill voices will stop heath care “deform”.
Imagine, a protest where there aren’t unions, government officials or “community” action groups paying people to be there.

danita….i wonder what the polls would say if they were told that EVERYONE in the middle class will pay higher taxes to pay for this as gietner, summers and leading economists say they will?

danita….wonder what the polls will say when the delayed cbo report on the first half of the year comes out?

Even more striking are poll numbers revealing that voters have much greater confidence in Obama on health care than congressional Republicans. For example, 55 percent of Americans say Obama has better ideas about reforming health care, compared to only 26 percent who think that of congressional Republicans.

“Public unhappiness with the Democrats’ legislative agenda–government health care, tax and trade, cash for clunkers and various bailouts–is increasingly being reflected in the generic Congressional preference numbers.
Today Scott Rasmussen finds support for Republican Congressional candidates at its “highest level in recent years.” Republican candidates enjoy a five-point lead over the Democrats, 43-38 percent. That represents a stunning turnaround from Election Day 2008, when the Democrats had a six-point lead in the Congressional preference poll.”

“I just read in today’s news (AP) that the GAO expects federal tax receipts to drop EIGHTEEN PERCENT this year.”
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That’s what happens during severe economic turndowns.
If only Bush had saved some money for the country (or paid down the national debt) during the ‘good’ times instead of running up deficits EVERY year, doubling the national debt – and coincidentally leaving the country in a complete economic disaster.
Too much? Let’s just blame it on the current President.

danita – I surely don’t agree, but lets say you are right about the Bush deficits. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD OBAMA WANT TO BE ON A PACE TO “DWARF” THOSE DEFICITS?? MAKES NO SENSE!! THE ONLY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION,(As some cons are now stating)IS THAT OBAMA COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND WEALTH (GNP). – BUT, HE DOES CARE ABOUT “SHARING THE WEALTH!!” HOPE THEY ARE WRONG, BUT WHAT OTHER EXPLANATION IS THERE??

Nearly seven in 10 Americans told Harris Interactive that a government-run plan would be a valuable alternative to private insurance; more than six in 10 thought it would help keep insurance costs down and 55 percent said it would allow patients to get better care.
Posted by: danita | Aug 4, 2009 8:56:00 PM
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That online poll was conducted July 9th thru July 13th. Ancient history. People have been learning the details and the backlash is growing.

Manitu . ..
You must be truly uninformed to not even mention the stimulus funding that has taken place in EVERY western industrial nation AND China during the past half year.
That is EVERY industrial nation on the planet has instituted a stimulus program to shore up unemployment fallback, decrease additional layoffs as much as possible and shore up devastated budgets. Your lack of knowledge is showing.
Have you missed all of this or are you just not being genuine because it doesn’t serve your cause of attacking the President? Try to be a little more authentic.

Danita, tell the truth. You are citing old information. The majority of Americans are now against the new health care legislation.
And we are not rightwingers, we are moderates and independents as well as conservatives. We are everyone who does not believe that America needs to move further left.

Unbelievable and Jen . ..
You’re out of touch with current American opinion . ..
“Sixty-three percent said they would support providing health-care coverage for all Americans, even if the government had to subsidize those who could not afford it.
Fifty-six percent said they supported a “public health insurance option” to compete with private plans.”
Abt SRBI poll conducted July 27 and 28.

Ha Ha! I laugh. Normal Americans are the ones that have read their history. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA coverage, when does this failed socialist experiment end? Well, it ends NOW! On this proposed Socialist Healthcare takeover.
These people at the TownHalls are not like the liberals, that have to have funded groups like ACORN and all 360 groups tied with them, told what to do by some left-wing radicals that helped tear apart our country in the 60′s and 70′s. These people at the Town Halls are normal people. These are the people.
233 years ago was the moment when we became a country. We the people, who are finding our voice once again; who never thought we would face this kind of battle within; who have remained silent for too long; who are now striking back at an out-of-control government; who demand our liberties and freedoms back; who will stand and do what is necessary to bring our country back to its’ original founding; who want to see this Republic thrive; who damn these bills that are meant to destroy our economy; who carry the flag to dissent this Obamanation; who will sacrifice their lives; who will not be deterred by the ignorance of a media that was meant to protect the people; who will be there, when we emerge again, defiant of all attacks.
We the people are here again. You had better listen to us. Because we are America, by God.

People really need to take a second a grasp one simple fact.
Answer this who was spending the money for the war economy in WWII? The federal government.
This highlights something for those who know what was occurring in concurance with the stimulus prior to WWII. Namely the government was taking a about 100lbs of flesh from business in the US for having caused the great depression (think takes are bad try the 60% one levied on businesses during the great depression). This is the thing the Feds at that time where trying to get a dog well while amputating its head at the same time. What WWII did was have the Federal government do massive spending to mobilize, and work WITH businesses rather then exacting revenge on them.
Both stimulus and tax reduction can help an economy, and both can fail miserably. Its all on what happens to it. If a person is afraid they might lose their job they aren’t going to take that $50 they got in reduced takes and spend it they will most likely save it. At which point it does nothing.
Additionally I’ve noticed many people seem to think if taxes where reduced the deficit might be smaller, another myth. The deficit would have grown still because there are less revenues present as such your still increasing the deficit. At the same time what people don’t realize is that about 2/3rds of the current deficit growth is because of reduced revenue from unemployment and business bankruptcies.

No, the most recent polls show support for Obamacare dropping as people learn more about what is actually in the bill.According to Rasmussen, 48% rate the current health care system as very good or excellent, only 23% believe health care costs will go down if Obama’s health care plan passes, 49% are opposed to Obama’s health care plan, while only 47% are in favor of it, and by a 50% to 23% margin, voters expect the passage of Obama’s health care bill to cause the quality of care to go down.

Where was all that anger when Bush led this country to war based on a lie? No bid contracts to Halliburton? When HE initiated the bail outs and started this country down the path to destruction. You were waving your flag to him. Quit pretending that you have a backbone.
Health Care is coming and you can choke on it. Don’t let the door hit you.

clint . .. .
You and the other fear mongers are going under this time – the normal American knows full well its time for health care reform, and it’s going to happen. It was supported during the election, the polls show it is supported now (despite the fear mongering) and it’s made it through 4 of the 5 committees.

Oh Danita, numbers and polls and mainstream media propaganda does not win battles. Not this time. You, and the media are irrelevant.
You see, the PEOPLE are out in the streets and confronting Congressmen and women . . .Do what you have to do, say what you have to say, and make your voice be known. You are making a difference America, in quashing this socialist invasion
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Bravo. Excellent application of the asstroturf mass memo Let’s see– Rattle rather than engage in intelligent debate; inflate the numbers; make it seem as if you’re part of the majority rather than a fringe group; harp on about the pending socialist agenda.

Another Republican tactic. First memo’s instructing how to disrupt townhall meetings, and now falsified letters sent to Congressmen.
Coal Group Reveals 6 More Forged
Lobbying Letters
By David A. Fahrenthold
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 5, 2009
A total of 12 forged letters — all appearing to come from local groups unhappy with a climate-change bill — were sent to three congressional offices this summer by a Washington lobbying firm, according to the pro-coal group for which the firm was working.
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That is six more fraudulent letters than were previously known to have been sent by the firm, Bonner and Associates. The newly revealed letters were sent to Reps. Chris Carney (D-Pa.) and Kathy Dahlkemper (D-Pa.), according to the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, the trade group that hired Bonner and Associates.
On Friday, a spokeswoman for Rep. Tom Perriello (D-Va.) said his office had received six fake letters, purporting to be from a Latino social-services group and NAACP members in his district.
Bonner and Associates bills itself as one of Washington’s premier firms for grass-roots lobbying, which often involves eliciting phone calls, letters or e-mails from constituents or groups in a particular congressional district.
On Tuesday, the firm was denounced by both the pro-coal group, whose president said it was outraged, and by the Hawthorn Group, an Alexandria-based public affairs firm that hired Bonner as a subcontractor in June.
Harvey Valentine, a spokesman for the Hawthorn Group, said it had been told that Bonner officials would check all letters before they were sent to Capitol Hill.
“It turns out that the quality-control mechanisms took place, but after [the letters] went to the Hill,” Valentine said. “We were furious about this.” He said Hawthorn had fired Bonner and Associates and had not yet paid it for its work.
Jack Bonner, the founder of Bonner and Associates, denied that his firm was fired and said it finished its work under the contract. In an e-mail Tuesday, he said that the letters were written by a “temporary employee who worked for us for 7 days [who] acted alone” and that “it was through our quality control effort that we found the problem and fired the employee on the same day we discovered it.”
This saga of modern Washington — in which an “American coalition” claiming 200,000 supporters still relies on a subcontractor to gin up favorable letters — was set off by debate in the House over the climate bill.
The House legislation, since adopted, called for a reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, but the pro-coal group was worried this would drive the price of electric power too high. It wanted Congress, among other things, to impose price limits. And it wanted other people to say so, too.
“Hawthorn was charged to find — could we go out and find some of these community groups” that might also object to higher electric prices, said Joe Lucas, a spokesman for the pro-coal group.
On the coal group’s behalf, Hawthorn hired Bonner and Associates. In all, the coal group estimated, Bonner and Associates was responsible for 46 or 47 letters that were sent to Congress.
On Monday, officials at the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity said they had sought to speak with all the groups whose names were fraudulently used, as well as all three congressional offices that received the letters. The House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming has said it would investigate the letters.
The climate bill approved by the House did not include the price guarantee the pro-coal group had sought. Legislation is still pending in the Senate. In the House, Perriello voted for the bill. Dahlkemper and Carney voted against it.
A spokesman for Carney did not respond to calls for comment by Tuesday afternoon. A spokesman for Dahlkemper said the letters “did not have undue influence” on her decision.

LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. (Thomas Paine)
We have the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed world. Conservative estimates are that over 120,000 of you dies each year in America from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Insured and uninsured. Men, women, children, and babies. This is what being 37th in quality of healthcare means.
I know that many of you are angry and frustrated that REPUBLICANS! In congress are dragging their feet and trying to block TRUE healthcare reform. What republicans want is just a taxpayer bailout of the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry, and the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry. A trillion dollar taxpayer funded private health insurance bailout is all you really get without a robust government-run public option available on day one. Co-OP’s ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION. They are a fraud being pushed by the GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry that is KILLING YOU!
YOU CANT HAVE AN INSURANCE MANDATE WITHOUT A ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION. MANDATING PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE AS YOUR ONLY CHOICE WOULD BE A DISASTER AND UNETHICAL, CORRUPT, AND MORALLY REPUGNANT. AND PROBABLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS WELL.
These industries have been slaughtering you and your loved ones like cattle for decades for profit. Including members of congress and their families. These REPUBLICANS are FOOLS!
Republicans and their traitorous allies have been trying to make it look like it’s President Obama’s fault for the delays, and foot dragging. But I think you all know better than that. President Obama inherited one of the worst government catastrophes in American history from these REPUBLICANS! And President Obama has done a brilliant job of turning things around, and working his heart out for all of us.
But Republicans think you are just a bunch of stupid, idiot, cash cows with short memories. Just like they did under the Bush administration when they helped Bush and Cheney rape America and the rest of the World.
But you don’t have to put up with that. And this is what you can do. The Republicans below will be up for reelection on November 2, 2010. Just a little over 13 months from now. And many of you will be able to vote early. So pick some names and tell their voters that their representatives (by name) are obstructing TRUE healthcare reform. And are sellouts to the insurance and medical lobbyist.
Ask them to contact their representatives and tell them that they are going to work to throw them out of office on November 2, 2010, if not before by impeachment, or recall elections. Doing this will give you something more to do to make things better in America. And it will make you feel better too.
There are many resources on the internet that can help you find people to call and contact. For example, many social networking sites can be searched by state, city, or University. Be inventive and creative. I can think of many ways to do this. But be nice. These are your neighbors. And most will want to help.
I know there are a few democrats that have been trying to obstruct TRUE healthcare reform too. But the main problem is the Bush Republicans. Removing them is the best thing tactically to do. On the other hand. If you can easily replace a democrat obstructionist with a supportive democrat, DO IT!
You have been AMAZING!!! my people. Don’t loose heart. You knew it wasn’t going to be easy saving the World. :-)
God Bless You
I REST MY CASE
Republican Senators up for re-election in 2010.
* Richard Shelby of Alabama
* Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
* John McCain of Arizona
* Mel Martinez of Florida
* Johnny Isakson of Georgia
* Mike Crapo of Idaho
* Chuck Grassley of Iowa
* Sam Brownback of Kansas
* Jim Bunning of Kentucky
* David Vitter of Louisiana
* Kit Bond of Missouri
* Judd Gregg of New Hampshire
* Richard Burr of North Carolina
* George Voinovich of Ohio
* Tom Coburn of Oklahoma
* Jim DeMint of South Carolina
* John Thune of South Dakota
* Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas
* Bob Bennett of Utah

And right there Rob is the catch 22 in all of this.
Do nothing and medical costs continue to balloon even farther. End result is that the ballooning cost will cause both state and federal budget expenditures making the deficits even worse, and subsequently the debt. As it stands unless something drastically curtails the current cost growth seen health care is on track to push to 30% of gdp within the next couple of decades.
And before I hear it, yes republicans have offered up options. Do they need to be heard, yes because they have some very good items that should be included in any reform such as tort reform. However, in both cases going forward several things need to be carried on and most likely would need to be built into legislation. Namely whatever plan is passed even if it was 100% republican cannot in any way shape or form gauruntee 100% success going forward. This is probably the biggest failing and it is one of the reasons why many programs are plagued with problems. Any program as time progresses needs to be reviewed and checked outside of partisan posturing. It needs to be checked not only against where its weak, but also against he current time and circumstances and then updated to meet those changes in its surrounding.
However there is one constant, any politician who would actually suggest going back to review policy and update it gets heckled down now a days. Its some great evil to actually be open to adjusting policy as it goes forward to meet the changing environment because now all of a sudden you are weak, flip flopping, a liar, clueless. Reality is that any business or any individual person who makes long term plans actually does stop and review whats going on and how their circumstances changed compared to the assumptions they originally had to start with and then adjusts to meet those changes. Indeed this is probably the one biggest fault people levy against GM and Chrysler and Ford they failed because they did not look at the market changes and then change their policy to meet the new environment. It fails businesses and it fails politics. Just look at alot of peoples favorite whipping boy the post office. The fact is the post office already knows exactly how to fix itself. The problem Congress refuses to meet the current environment of reduced mail usage with increasing electronic means. As such even though the post office wants to and needs to reduce capacity and cut back from the mandatory 6 day delivery schedule they are prevented from doing that by the politicians.

Obama has blown health care reform – pure and simple. If only he let go of the “public option” he might achieve some progress. If he comes back in September talking the same line of garbage – despite the poll – this will go nowhere.
People will suffer because Obama is too inexperienced to compromise. He is a “prince” who has to have it his way.

It is time for health care and insurance reform. Just not this package that is being presented. No one really has a clue as to what is actually in this bill. And the name calling on both sides – insane. Why don’t the idiots in Congress listen to the American people for a change instead of trying to steamroll us with trillions more in debt? TERM LIMITS!!!!

The Republican party is imploding. They now break down into the birthers and the yellers.
Health care reform comes down to the corporatons vs. the people. I read where the Cigna CEO gets twelve million a year and will get a seventy-three-million dollar parachute when he retires. One large health conglomerate made three quarters of a billion last quarter alone.
Meanwhile, 14,000 lose insurance coverage each day. Those insured know they may well lose their insurance or their job (to keep from having to continue to insure them) when they get an expensive illness.
To me, it seems simple. Create a public option plan and let people choose. If the huge health care corporations (with their regional monopolies) are not contributing to the present problem, people will choose them over the public plan. If the huge billion-dollar corporations are part of the cause of skyrocketing costs and terrible abuse, then people will have somewhere else to go.
Congress thrives on a government-run health insurance plan. Why not the ordinary people?

Hey Harry you think these are
Loud, Shrill Interruptions?
Just wait until next years elections
when the American People Loudly and
Shrilly interrupt the countrys march
toward Socialism and throw you guys
out on your butts! LOL!

I’m one of Reid’s constituents. I’ve historically voted Democrat… NO LONGER will I make that mistake! I’m actually ashamed that I voted for Obama. America is turning into a Communist Regime and I for one am SICK of it. Can’t the government stay out of anything? I’m SO sick of being lied to by this administration and having information witheld by them because it would hurt their cause (nevermind that Americans deserve the truth).

In regards to Capitalism, socialism, communism – There is a time and place for everything. Will Socialism or communism rise during this administration? I don’t know, and I truly doubt anyone does. Our current Health insurance system (Along with other companies, like Monsanto) are obvious monopolies existing in an economy based on capitalism that supposedly illegalized monopolization and for good reason. Yet these illegal institutions exist.
Maybe, the people are recognizing, in a world where resources are dwindling, the further existence in this type of capitalism, the deeper the hole we dig. At one point digging may (or may not) have been good, but now it is proving to cause more problems than solutions.
Communism… I doubt will work in our current time, and undoubtedly be accepted by the nation simply because we believe Communism will strip individual freedoms. While, Socialism is more liberal, and allows for more people to say how the economy works, unlike communism and our current, capitalism.
So maybe whe need a new concept. With Capitalism, Companies seek profit over the benefits of the customer / public, while Socialism ideally seeks for the benefit of the people over profits. And correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t we &issed off of the insane profits those who got us into this recession, have made??? It’s seems more and more people want more control of their country. So how about – capicialism or Sopitalism — SOMETHING NEW!

FACTS… THE US ECONOMY PAYS 16.9 PERCENT OUT IN TOTAL MEDICAL EVERY YEAR. IN TAIWAN THEY PAY 6 PERCENT TOTAL. PLUS, THEY CAN USE ANY DOCTOR, ANY INSURANCE, AND GET IMMEDIATE CARE FOR ANY AILMENT WHATSOEVER UP TO 50 DOCTOR VISITS PER MONTH PER AILMENT, PER CITIZEN. ALL WITH THE MOST ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY. THEY’VE HAD IT FOR 10 YEARS NOW AND THE DOCTORS GET PAID AS WELL OR BETTER THAN THEY WERE IN THE OLD DAYS. WHY? THEY CARE FOR THEIR CITIZENS AND HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE. LOOK UP TAIWAN’S SYSTEM, YOU’LL BE AMAZED. DON’T CALL IT SOCIALIST, TAIWAN IS WAY MORE ANTI-COMMUNIST THAN THE GOP ARE… LIKE 100X MORE.