The Note: Passion Gap — Are Obama’s Critics More Engaged than His Fans?

Did anyone see the CNN poll (200 days) last night? Obamas health care approval was a D and Obama himself got a C-. That was way down from the one they did after the first 100 days. It was funny, the CNN so called experts were shocked and were trying to make all kind of excuses for him. America has woken up.

The proposed health care reform Certainly will help me and my family. The premium will go down, and I will be getting better care. Just because Obama is trying to implement I cannot digest. I don’t want him to get any benefit even though the program is good for me.

Unemployment drops to 9.4, well below all projections. What is Rush the drugster, Insanity, and Ingham going to spew about today.

Jim:: Obama said(pass this stimulus bill and unemployement will go down) 4 months ago and it went up to 10% What is he going to say about that today?????

This is the best article I have read in a long time. You are so right on point, starting this weekend I will be talking to my neighbors and supporters of the president about attending Town Halls. Virginians have been good about not disrupting meetings but we’ll be ready if they start.
Thank you for reminding us that we have a voice too.
G

peterclarke: you write the same things we did when Bush was in office……bothersome, ain’t it??

This is truly sad. Americans have become ignorant and refuse to read and listen to MANY sources to obtain correct information. I am sickened on the ultra rights who are doing dirty tricks to try to get the issue of health care off the table. What happened to being cordial. These town halls are there to listen and answer questions…yet, for some, they think screaming and hollering and such is going to work. Shame on us. There are so many misinformation out there …fear factors..which has been going on for 8 years by the Republicans and it continues. Yikes. Truly sad…esp during these difficult times.

geecee
Well said and might I add that this is more then Bush accomplished in 8 years unless you include starting an illegal war.

Obamacare = Rationed Care. People have the right to express themselves ta these townhall meetings.

According to Rasmussen Report daily tracking poll, 34% of US voters strongly approve of the job Obama is doing and 38% strongly disapprove of his job performance. This gives Obama a -4% in the Presidential Approval Index. 71% of voters say Obama’s policies have increased the deficit. The remaining 29% are illiterate. 72% of people do not believe Obama can keep his promise of reforming healthcare without raising taxes. The remaining 28% still believe in the tooth fairy.

” Ron Cram: “The remaining 28% still believe in the tooth fairy.” ”
LOL soo true

Amy, when you see the words that your comment is posted, hit the F5 key on your keyboard and it refreshes the page and your comment shows up.

To the SEIU: Bro’s, if you think you’re the only BIG GUYS in America, keep this up and that includes any Union Member’s who come to these events as Union Member’s and we will all find out. This is only going to escalate as our mature leader declares, if Ma and Pa America hit, hit back harder!! Nothin but class Obama… 2010 and 2012 can’t get here quick enough of this Democrat. I’m ashamed…..and you should be too Obama but ya know what? You’re not which scares me to no end.

ITS TIME FOR [JESSIE THE SURGEON] TO DO HIS WORK.

Those in the sidelines of this GOP hysteria … make sure you vote in local and federal elections. Fight back at the polls. Vote out another round of Republicans in 2010 and 2012 as we did in 2006 and 2008.

Obama can always hire some more passion like he did last night in St. Louis. He bussed in union thugs who had reserved seats at a town hall meeting.
Reserved seats? the protesters were locked out. A black conservative got beat up. Where’s the story on ABC.

Adam, and so what would you suggest doing? What’s left of the GOP has hijacked this process and set up the predictable devil’s bargain: if cost-controls are included, they scream rationing and “government is going to tell you when to die.” If cost-controls aren’t included, the predictable response is: “look at the deficit.” So, while we spend what it would have taken to solve healthcare on a foolish war in Iraq, we do nothing about healthcare. And by the way, I’m not arguing for doing something because of the uninsured. I’m arguing for doing something because the system is badly broken. As far as the insulting goes, I was engaging in a bit of satiric hyperbole responding to the tough guy comments.

As for socialized medicine…what a joke. For those who say the government can’t handle health care…l. they will not be handling it. Second the government handles social security and medicare/medicade and ask those people who receive it if they want it banished as some people at these so called unorganized people are crying for. Three..you can keep your own health insurance if you want it. How many times can this be said? One wonders if it is not the policies that people are objecting to but the color of the person representing them.

billy bob you are correct. The problem is these can doers will say It’s a fabricated story put out by the right. People are waking up and do not want freedom destroyed by this radical party who has always leaned towards sociallized government.

Time to leave the republican party ! They have lost their ability to protect our consttution from socialist attack!time to look for a new american consttutional based party!!

Well, MEL MARTINEZ IS RESIGNING, I guess he doesn,t like sowinmyear either.

Obama is imploding and Americans are waking up. I find it ironic that Obama literally enforced town hall meetings and freedom of speech, but now, that there is a extreme growing opposition to his health care reform, he wants to squelch the true feelings of America and have their names sent to him via email. Obama is a “has” been and will be a one term president. 2012 can’t come soon enough to get him out of office.

I’m embarrassed that I ever voted for Obama. He is taking away the rights of all Americans with his socialist agenda. We have a town hall meeting on Aug 25th, I will be there. It’s ironic, many, many Democrats are going to be there to voice out opinions against the lies Obama has tried to force down our throats. Even Claire MaGaskill (Obama supporter) stated this morning that the opposition to the health care from Americans should be heard and considered by lawmakers. The Blue Dog Dems are against Obama and you will continue to see this opposition grow and swell. Obama truly is an “empty suit with no substance!”

“Maria,” since you hate the so-called “socialist” agenda, will you kindly write to Medicare today and tell them that you will be refusing ALL Medicare for you and your immediate family? And will you please stop driving on our interstate highways? Since you don’t appreciate the benefits my tax dollars are providing you in these “socialist” programs, I’d thank you for opting out. At least be consistent.

The Republicans destroyed our country and what did our smart country do? Find the least qualified guy to fix things. Don’t forget the large group of Americans who have given up on the Government and on our country to a certain degree. Some of us feel like we are already living in idiocracy. I could care less about health insurance. If Obama had really cared about it, he wouldn’t have waited so long to do something about it. It was last on his list.

not more engaged, more like obnoxious drama queens

TOM
So your saying people up there ranting and raving like 5 year olds, Keep Goverment out of Medicare and Medicaid are not Stupid? Please those are Goverment Programs for gods sake.They sound like idiots, They dont even Know what their Protesting just mocking the Republicans.

Are you kidding me? The only way Dems get anyone at meetings is to bus them in. This is real. I have never been politically active and will be going to all town meetings within two hours. The more you media people try to say people are thugs who are voicing there opinion the more it will backfire. Is it a wonder why the media received a “D” in the CNN poll, wake up and do your job instead of posting Obama’s talking points.

WELL YEAH, we understand that Emperor O’Babble wants everyone to love him and just do as he says, after all, he is the Messiah. Of course, if you don’t do as he says, he’ll send his union goons out to pay a visit to your next Tea Party. Don’t you love the Chicago Mafia ?

I love looking at these town meetings and the people up-roaring like a political convention. I am covered, most of the people in those rooms are covered. What is going to happen when and if we all lose coverage in the future? The premiums are killing the company I work for every month.
Nobody seems to care…

Eugenics, anyone?
“Services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations,ensure development of practical reasoning
skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals
who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and
should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities
can read and learn to reason.” Ezekial Emanual, Obama’s Health Czar, wrote in a Hastings Center article.

“Cash for Clunkers” is a success??? Please explain “success”. You mean that those of us who pay taxes get to subsidize other folks so they can get new cars? Or the fact that we are spending 4500 dollars to “earn” 1200 dollars in tax revenues? Oh….maybe you mean that we are stimulating the economy by having Americans buy American Cars? Ooops…80% of the new cars that we are subsidizing are FOREIGN vehicles…..but, yeah, it’s a success all right

Well, after the White House telling Dems to punch back twice as hard as those protesting the fact many Congressfolks and Senators will not read the bill has gotten their wish. It appears that a conservative was beaten by members of the SEIU along with a journalist of the Saint Louis Post-Dispatch, why because he dared to question the President and Democrats on the health care bill.
Remember, this is what hope and change looks like. If you question the left, the President will ask for his followers to report you and you will be beaten. Hope and change folks, hope and change. I’m sure many on the left are proud!

CLASH FOR CLUNKERS
Is a great program its Stimulus it saves Jobs,Saves the Car Industry,Its good for the enviorment,Taking the Gas guzzelers off the roads and replacing them with lower fuel mileage in time will lessen our demand for oil.

Where were all you People when Bush was Spending us into Bankrupt in Iraq and Bailouts to Wall St? Could of used you back then and your rants and raves we might NOT be in this mess right now or most of you think Bush was great?

“Obama has caused our nation to be so deep in debt. We will never be able to repay this debt and get back on our feet. It scares me….I will be graduating from college this year and the job market is dismal”…………. OBAMA DID NOT BRING YOU THIS STINKING DEFICIT. Good grief I wish you people would study facts and stop taking the bate. He is but a small part.

Angie,
You fail to see how this will hurt the auto business long-term. Remember the whole ‘Employee Pricing’ thing? At the time, you had people taken out of their normal trade cycle…which meant that the customers who would have been in the market a year or two down the road were no longer there…so your ‘normal’ customers were not in the market…which is one of the factors that hurt the business. Now, they are doing the same thing again…and not only that, but they are destroying cars that could be used by those who could not afford a ‘new’ car. They could have been donated to families that have lost everything, including their cars, to help get them back on their feet (look for jobs, etc)…but the gov’t thinks it is best for the motors to be locked-up. Personally, I think it will hurt in the long-run…but that’s just based on my experience in the car business…but hey, the gov’t knows better than everyone else, right? Don’t believe me? Look at the sales numbers during and after the employee pricing programs.

Yes Angie in PA – they ARE THAT CLUELESS. They evidently believe everything they are told by these people.

The Tables are Turning and the “Uniter” is Dividing this Nation Quicker than Anyone thought would happen. His Ego-Trip and “Messiah” Image is NOT enough anymore to blind the American Public into letting him bring America down into a 3rd World Nation, all for His own personal gains. Stand Up America & Protect what OUR ForeFathers worked hard to create. Having a Voice shouldn’t have to be one-sided, or one partied, instead It’s Liberty, Freedom, and Justice for All.

From what I see, the people who are demonstrating at the town hall meetings are doint it because they are afraid. They have been made afraid by the right wing liberals who send e-mails with mis-information, incorrect data, and garbage to these people who do not know what is really the case. They believe what they are told by their party and most of their friends. No one wants to take their health care away from them as suggested. The president only wants you to have a choice or an opportunity to get better care. YOU CAN KEEP YOUR COVERAGE IF YOU LIKE IT…THAT IS A FACT. Don’t believe anyone who says otherwise. No one will raise your taxes if you earn under 250,000, and probably that is what most of you earn. Without health care reform, we will go broke and that is a fact and even the republicans know this. We are ranked 37th in the world on health care and have the most expensive progams with nothing to show for it. Life expectancy is only ranked at 50%. These are the facts and all the other countries cannot understand why we do not have some form of health care for all. We will not have the same kind of care as Canada although a survey was made and most Canadians are heppy with their health care. No one will decide which older person will die as some speculate. One need to look into things more thoroughly and give the Congress/Senate and the President the time to get it right. It is too important to screw up. When people go to town hall meetings, it is to learn things. When you shout them down, you and they are not learning anything. If you are that afraid..do some research, keep an open mind and stop reading the junk that is sent through your e-mails. I get them, too.

There is no way I can compete with loud, self-defeating, ignorant opposition to healthcare reform, or any other item for change proposed by the Obama administration.
I just can’t be that dumb.
so,
‘They’ win on this blog. they win on conservative radio airspace.
luckily the rest of us win -
living with feet on the ground and heads in thoughtful consideration -
We finally have an administration that’s turning long burning national issues on it’s head. Healthcare reform being one of them.
Conservatives are
marginalized. and ineffective in promoting any progressive thought or idea.

Fedup,
lay off the all-caps. not all republicans blame obama for the current deficit…but he hasn’t helped it any, either…he has increased spending, you know. so he is partly to blame…not only that, obama was a senator for 2 years, wasn’t he? he was able to vote on spending bills, etc…so he was ‘in the know.’ he didn’t walk blindly into our currect economic downturn nor was he completely innocent prior to the election.

“From what I see, the people who are demonstrating at the town hall meetings are doint it because they are afraid. They have been made afraid by the right wing liberals who send e-mails with mis-information, incorrect data, and garbage to these people who do not know what is really the case. They believe what they are told by their party and most of their friends”………. You got that right. I was watching one only to notice it’s old Medicare people yelling the loudest. So, the people that GET free healthcare are screaming the loudest. Unreal.

studentdrive – I have to all cap to get a republican to dismiss spin for a nano because it’s getting to the point where they are clueless.
Yes, most do indeed blame this deficit on Obama. Read the posts.

Fiscally I’m more conservative but please Republicans, where were you when Bush was pushing tax cuts during a war, when millions of dollars just disappeared in Iraq, when for 6 years Republicans were spending like drunken sailers on none sense like bridges to nowhere. Bush was pushing hard for bailouts and he doubled our debt. But NOW all of you have sudden you care about debt? YOU GUYS ARE A JOKE! I’m not a big Obama supporter but I wish his die hard supporters would push on that. I don’t agree with all the money he is spending but at least he is trying to do something to better our lives vs making his rich buddies wealthier like the Republicans were doing.

GUS AMARAL
These Necons were drunk in a deep coma for the last 8 years of Bushes Presidency and Republican controlled congress that is the Only explanation they are truly whacked!

FED UP
When the Republicans start a Socialist Program its ok with the Neocons and radical right wingers, But when a democrat does it the sky is falling the world is coming to an end they are absolultey funny as h– arent they?

How are the numbers that describe the country’s feelings about Obama or health care reform determined? It seems to me that Obama is a courageous man because he doesn’t back off even with all the attacks he gets. Health care reform is a moral imperative that needs to be formed based on these conditions:
1. Covers everyone, so that no person relies on an emergency room for their health care or delays treatment because they lack insurance;
2. Provides quality coverage that is truly affordable to all families regardless of income;
3. Protects and enhances the health of lower-income families and children by strengthening Medicaid and SCHIP; and
4. Rests on a financially sustainable foundation.
It’s not easy. None of the issues Obama has concerned himself with have been. He doesn’t give up though even though he gets hit with criticism every day.
He still has my respect and support and I think he can handle his job just fine.

“What a sad commentary on our educational system that a small band of screaming liars can so throughly sway public opinion. When Glenn Beck and Sean h have such significant sway over our national debate, the end of an empire is nigh.”
But when Chris M, Keith O, and Rachel M report that is
great reporting. Right??? Fox has much higher ratings for a reason. Do a little research before you spout your biased opinions.

I can only hope that there are enough sane people left in Washington to realize that if we go the route of oblama’s Utopia, we have given up most if not all of our freedoms. Read an outstanding article by Thomas Sowell..he states it very well:

I’m embarrassed that I ever voted for Obama.
I am glad to see some honesty. We all make mistakes and voting for this big eared liar was definitely one. I know that ddep down many are emberassed by their vote for this nut! You have the guts to admit it. I hope we can get rid of him and Pelosi and Reid’s majority before they do too much damage! Bush and Cheney are lookin’ better everyday,
aren’t they!!!! I mean this country was in better shape when Bush left than it is now that Obama has been at the helm. What a loser. Change, you can believe in??????!!! hahahahahhah make me laugh some more….

“Those in the sidelines of this GOP hysteria … make sure you vote in local and federal elections. Fight back at the polls. Vote out another round of Republicans in 2010 and 2012 as we did in 2006 and 2008.”
I’ve been a lifelong Republican and I’ll tell you this much, I’m not voting for anybody unless there is somebody worthy of my vote. Right now there is nobody. This would be the first time since I was old enough to vote that I didn’t but I’m tired of holding my nose and voting for the guy who stinks less. Give me somebody I can vote for, not some cowboy wanna be like Bush, or some left wing Republican who just wants to LOOK conservative like McCain and definitely not some Chicago street thug who thinks effective governance means using the media, union thugs and internet snitch sites to shame, intimidate and betray fellow citizens into submission. Until then I’m out!

Those attending the town hall meetings are afraid. They have been made this way by talk show hosts, republicans,and some of the e-mails from friends. To go to a town hall meeting and not listen means you have a closed mind. You need to listen, compare facts and then make your decision. Otherwise you are a mob sent only to disrupt the meeting and not to learn. Hannity was falling all over himself the other day about these meetings. This is sad because the purpose of them is to educate. The republicans can say they are not orchastrated but that is a lie. Listen to Russ, Hannity and Beck and you will see othewise. If you are afraid…then listen and learn and then make up your mind. No One wants to take your health care away…only to give you a choice and possible get you better coverage for less. I have watched my daughter deal with the insurance company and her cancer and that was awful. She should not have had to do this while fighting cancer. All I ask is that you listen and learn. If we do not get a health care reform…we will go broke and that is a fact. Then, you really will not have health care unless you are one of the over 250,00 people who will be able to afford it. Hospitals will close. And, by the way, if your are listening to Rick Scott…his company was fined 1.7 billion dollars for cheating medicare. Keep an open mind people and get ALL of the facts.

DK
Iknow 50 percent approval rating is horrible lol haha, so your saying President Obama alone has spent trillons of dollars in 200 days? and Bush and the Republicans had no part of that? please people are smarter then that!

It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to force the American People & Businesses to buy something that ONLY the Govnm’t thinks is Good, as well as to FINE them if they don’t conform. This is NOT Choice, NOT Freedom, and NOT Justice. This is Anarchy at its’ Best!!!

The healthcare denial industry has grown to swallow up 1/6 of the entire American economy, gutting our competitiveness on the world market, through keeping things exactly as they are. Without healthcare reform the current system will take up 1/3 of the entire economy in a few years.

I love the Old people at the town halls screaming keep Goverment out of my Medicare love it its so funny,What idiots

Gee! A photo with the presidents head down and everything! Sympathy play by the media?

Angie, YES, he has spent more in 200 days that the combined total of all presidents before him. Yes, that is the truth….spin it anyway you wish, even Axelrod has made this statement about his spending. Please, do your research before you post. You sound silly.

“Lets see, since Obama has been in office, the stock market is up 11%, hostages have returned from North Korea, a qualified supreme court justice has been seated, healthcare reform was not even discussed under Bush, cash for clunkers successful…”
lets not forget the American deficit has been doubled in 100 days, thats a record.

“Facts are such pesky things”, huh, Angie??

What did Bush and Republicans do for Healthcare the last 8 years? on second thought what Good did Bush and Republicans do for this country the last 8 years? Besides get us into a huge debt,Start a Senseless War that killed 1000s, Let Wall St run wild and Nearly cause us to go into Depression. well rightwingers name some good things Bush and Republicans did for this country oh and dont say they kept us safe 911 Happened on their watch!

Angie, of course you would call the senior citizens of America “idiots”. You are so disrepectful…I feel for your children if you have in, with the example you’re giving them. Our senior citizens have every right to be upset at Obama ! What, you want to just let the senior citizens waste away? Is this a new agenda the Democrats are about to take a stand on? C’mon, its unfair that you call senor citizens of America “idiots!”

What difference does it make where the Blue Dogs reside? Doesn’t cancel out her other good points. But that’s right – we have the far rightie arguing with her about this. You only see red.

NCPIOLET
And those Blue Dogs yes some are from Blue States. But their DISTRICTS ARE HIGHLY REPUBLICAN, Just because a State is blue doesnt mean its all Democrats. And Just because a state is Red doesnt mean its all Republicans. DISTRICTS And Besides most of the Blue Dogs along with the Republicans are in bed with the Insurance Company and Lobbisit.Its all about which Insurance company is going to give the most money to kill the reform!

PAM IN DALLAS
Ok I apologize for calling them Idiots I was wrong but when their standing up there screaming Keep Goverment out of Medicare that is a little Bizarre. because without the Goverment Program Medicare they would have no Insurance!

Quick, all of you neo-cons, look under your bed, because there are probably progressives under there that are doing their best to assure that you and your family will have access to quality health care.
Truth be told, you will have guaranteed access to health care, and someday your children will thank us.

I now understand why people are frightened and angry. Because they are stupid and misinformed and zealots for a dying cause. Because they do not understand the way the legal system works, and the ways laws work. Because they think that a program that is too good, cash for clunkers, must die, simply because it works so well. That is why people are angry, John. Because they are ignorant, right wing zealots.

nc my point would be then you KNOW that economics are not “instant.” You would also know, since you see red, that way back when I believe you guys blamed a tiny recession on Clinton. Let’s see, when was that? If you truly had this GPA then you’d get decreased revenue, increased interest, increased unemployment, etc., the huge pill bill, the cost of a war, etc. Oh, and TARP. That’s half Bush too.

Angie in PA you really need to wake up. The Cash for Clunkers is not a great program. For years we will be paying money back for people being given $4000 for a car. The cars that used to be there for teenage kids or for those trying to get back on their feet will no longer be there because those cars will be sitting in a junk yard being destroyed for the steele. The number of people that once donated cars to charity will drop because they will also try for their $4000. The steele that is currently being taken from the cars involved in the Cash for Clunkers program will shortly be sold to china, the largest buyer of US scrap steele. Hope and change, folks, this is what hope and change looks like

we hear form the Keep government out of healthcare-well except for Medicare and the VA.
Obama wants to kill old people. Don’t they realize that Medicare is for old people and is the best insurance one can get. When has Obama suggested getting rid of Medicare?
Instead we get Obama is not a real American citizen.
Instead we get people with health insurance disrupting meetings on healthcare in the attempt to keep those citizens with out health insurance from getting health insurance.
There is no more thinking allowed left in the Republican Party. No more adults allowed.
What a loss for America. America needs a mature and wise conservate movement.

The public option is just an option. Why shouldn’t ordinary Americans who do not have health insurance or cannot afford private health insurance or would like to have a choice, have a public option?
For your information, most civilized and advanced nations have universal health care programs and they are fine.
Actually, the Republican opposition is for the benefit of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies and not for the ordinary Americans. They do not care about the ordinary Americans.

The point of my comment about obama taking the hit for the economy IF you insist that Bush take the hit for 9/11 stands. You say the economy was tanking before Obama took office? The plans for 9/11 were made long before Bush took office. And as far as the economy tanking, do you not recall that your hero was a US Senator for 2 years prior to be elected? And as your friend wants to point out (if her understand economics) …the congress controls the purse strings. The economy started tanking ONLY AFTER the democrats took control

NCPIOLET09
I was talking about 911 not Our Soliders and I thank our Soliders everyday and it was a Disgrace Bush sent them into Iraq to get Killed looking for things that werent even there so now thanks to Bush and his LIES OUR brave young women and men are dead for what?

Angie, Obama is the Commander in Chief now, not Bush. Obama has upped the ante in Afghanastan, not bush. I do believe the you are in line for the “excuse czar”…you have done nothing but make excuses for Obama….blindly trying to convince us that he can make no mistake

These Necons were drunk in a deep coma for the last 8 years of Bushes Presidency and Republican controlled congress
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Many republican supporters were outraged with the simple fact that Republicans were spending like Democrats on a day pass.
But Angie in PA I understand you can’t get away from the Dem talking points. let’s not forget that Republicans were the majority during only 6 of the 8 Bush years, Democrats had the last 2.

Wow, after reading all the posts by the “fed-up” crowd, I think I’ll go to a town hall meeting tonight and “cry” about how “I’m losing my country,” boo-hoo, “it’s not what the Constitition says it ought to be,” boo-hoo, “I want my country back,” boo-hoo. What a bunch of whiney crybabies who don’t want to see anything right or correct or positive or optimistic about this Country and the progress that has been made in 8 months under the Obama administration. Yes, now soldiers are dying in Afghanistan at a higher rate than ever before because we have more soldiers in there. It will be a while until it reaches the level of Iraq. Regardless, Bush started BOTH wars and it’s still on his head!!! And so is the cost of the Wars, the deficit he left Obama, the horrible economy that was tanking for year prior to Bush’s exist, the job-losses, etc. – all coming down the pipeline thanks to Bush/Cheney, the worse administration ever. Obama would have to go quite a ways to beat that one!!

you flat out call old people “idiots” in your post (and, hey, i’m an “old people”), and then you blast Troy, telling him shame on him for trying to scare old people. Good grief. Troy, and others, are standing up for old people. Just take a look at what ezekial emmanual said about denying health procedures to older people (and/or mentally incapacitated people). Then make up and excuse for that

Don’t want to be at war? Just call it something else! How long before we “advance to the rear”? I expect Obama and his clowns to lie to me, but lying to themselves is just stupid.

No kidding, AngiePA. The Republicans had fifteen years between when they killed Clinton’s healthcare initiative and now, to show us how THEY would contain costs and reform the system and what did they do?
Nothing.

If you don’t know who ezekial emanual is, then i understand why you think the health care reform is okay. Ezekiel has been tapped as a White House Health Care policy adviser. He is a proponent of denying medical procedures to the elderly and mentally ill…those who have no chance of becoming “participating citizens”…..This is not a scare tactic…i will be happy to give you a link to his article

Ive been asking the same question for the last couple of weeks. When is the left going to fight back feriously against the right and their lying, manipulating far-righters who want nothing but to destroy this President. Comparing Obama to Nazis? Putting negative spin on socialized medicine even though medicare is govt run plus the fact that noone is talking about socializing our healthcare system. Its just madness to turn on and see these protesters at these town halls and not seeing any kind of response but complaint. When is the left and moderates going to stare these people down and fight back? I am still waiting to see that..

“Bush did NOT ever want to cut medicare spending. You are flat out lying now. What Bush DID do was to propose a SMALLER increase on the spending” – When the increase in spending does not match inflation then its a cut. Right?
As far as Bush and Social Security goes…it was his plan to privatize SS through the stock market. Imagine being a senior citizen and trying to live off a 401(k) the way they are now? Anti-reformers are currently trying to scare seniors with BS about euthanansia. I know some Republicans are good folks, but there seems to be a fringe that is intent on hurting old people. Why?

nc, I’ve copied your post and shall study up later after I find the real articles.

Mark, you will never hear me, nor most of the GOP saying that Obama favors euthanasia…..what your handlers have done is to take our concern about marginalizing seniors by denying them medical procedures, and have turned that around to say that we are claiming that you guys want euthanasia. So parroting that line about scare tactics is just wrong…..we are not claiming that your guy wants to kill off old people….that line is a typical Obama diversion

I love this Statement…”Old people are getting Free Insurance thru Medicare” Yes the SAME Old People who paid into that System for Years so they would have it in Retirement. Unlike the #’s of Poor, Indigent, or Illegals (Over 1/2 of the Dem Votes) who are receiving Free Entitlements(Like Free Medicaid & Welfare) without having to pay into the System all because they can’t figure out how to Get a Job or Quit having Illegitimate Children. Now I see the Problem….Old People are cutting into THEIR FREE MONEY!!! “Keep Your Hands off of My Stack while I use all Yours Up” is the Democratic Way.

Thank you Fed Up…..and i’d love to hear what you think of his article. Even more chilling was to actually listed to the words coming out of his mouth…so matter of factedly….

Mark, the increase in spending far and away outpaced inflation. Inflation was nowhere nearly 15%.

Pluff-Mud – By the time you get there you will have paid far more and odds are get much less.

BTW nc. I’m Secondlook or Lexingtonlady on the regular stories. lol

Ok, CNN and MSNBC are now giving credence to the Town Hall protesters and saying Obama has not given enough notice to these events. CNN stated that Obama’s ratings are dropping because he’s not fully aware of the consequences of his policies. There seems to be a shift in the media support of Obama.

Considering the deplorable shape the country was in when Barak Obama assumed office he has done quite well in righting the ship USA.

FedUp, i have read your posts on the other sites, and have enjoyed some sparring with you there also. I have always been NCPilot of some sort…..i think that i’m on # 9 now because i usually end up hurting someone’s feelings and get banned for ABC until i make up another name. But good to talk to you in here also

gotta run…it’s been fun. I think i’ll let the loonies run the show for awhile…..see ya

“Mark, the increase in spending far and away outpaced inflation. Inflation was nowhere nearly 15%.” – Your right, I should have been more specific. I assumed your understood I meant inflation in medical costs since we wer refering to Bush’s resistance to substantial increases in Medicare funding.

President Obama came into a “DISASTER” on Jan. 20, 2009. He hit the ground Running trying to get the US Economy back on track. Yet, 8 months later people are having “HISSY FITS”, that the ‘Train Wreck’ , called the US Economy is not up and running. A lot of people in the Country are suffering from “SELECTIVE AMNESIA”, they tend to forget what really happen in the past 8 years.
Apparently President Obama, must be doing something right, the Party of NO, are trying real hard to block everything he is during to improve the Economy. That is a very good sign.

According to CNN poll of polls, Obama received a “C-” on his role as president and a “D” on his policies.

“it is not the GOP that attracts the loony fringe. If you will be honest, you will realize that there are loonies on both sides of the aisle.” – Agreement there, but you did not address the rest of my ppost, which admittedly was more on topic.

MediaSeeker – If McCain was in he’d be as bad in the polls. We’re all a pack of big whiners that don’t have the stomach for hard times. Besides, Obama was propped so high he was in for a hard fall. The price of being too popular is you have nowhere to go but down.

“FedUp, perhaps there is some over reaching…but that should be the individuals decision, not the government’s. And i’m not talking about extending life artificially.”
Posted by: ncpilot09 | Aug 7, 2009 1:21:16 PM
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yea, sounds all patriotty.
However, the problem is an individual may or may not understand the medical problem, have education or language skills to make pertinent choices, nor realize what their choices will bring.
Standards. and education. that’s what physicians and medical personnel use to make medical decisions.
BTW, the government [military, NIH, etc] collects data and provides research standards that civilian medicine uses.

I have posted a comment twice, and when I come back to look, it’s gone, what’s happening!!

My guess is that those who are so pre-occupied with such a silly notions of the site of Obama’s birth, euthanizing the elderly, taking away civil rights or any other fallacy lack the capacity to argue about policy or any other topic that requires more in-depth, intellectual analysis.

Joyce, what “rights” has Obama taken away from you? For God’s sake, stop being such a pigeon and take a deep breath. Just because the guy is not a Good ‘OL Southern Boy who lies to you about how much he loves America while shipping your jobs overseas doesn’t mean the sky is falling.

Let’s do arithematic shall we? Of the 31 ‘nay’ votes cast in the last hour against Sotomayor 18 of the ‘nay’ votes were cast from the OLD CONFEDERACY and two states sympathetic to their cause–OK and AZ.
This represents 60% of the Republican caucus in the current makeup of the US Senate. These are also the people who oppose healthcare, energy, immigration, and education reform too!
After living amongst them for six years they like to keep their constiuents fearful, stupid, fat, and ignorant. Not sure that the South is rising, except for its desparate attempts to go back in time when the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant (straight)men drove the bus and drank their liquor while others (women and people of color) waited on them in the August heat…

Pluff-Mud, adding what? They already have what they have. The democrats have simply tried to suggest they get money back they’ve already paid into SS while illegal. If they ever get legal.

A possible alternative solution.
The Kassebaum-Kennedy Bill, passed in 1996 after lengthy and acrimonious debate, included a narrowly limited four-year pilot program authorizing medical savings accounts. A medical savings account enables individuals to deposit tax-free funds in an account usable only for medical expense, provided they have a high-deductible insurance policy that limits the maximum out-of-pocket expense. As noted earlier, it eliminates third-party payment except for major medical expenses and is thus a movement very much in the right direction. By extending tax exemption to all medical expenses whether paid by the employer or not, it eliminates the present bias in favor of employer-provided medical care. That too is a move in the right direction. However, the extension of tax exemption increases the bias in favor of medical care compared to other household expenditures. This effect would tend to increase the implicit government subsidy for medical care, which would be a step in the wrong direction.
Before this pilot project, a number of large companies (e.g., Quaker Oats, Forbes, Golden Rule Insurance Company) had offered their employees the choice of a medical savings account instead of the usual low-deductible employer-provided insurance policy. In each case, the employer purchased a high-deductible major medical insurance policy for the employee and deposited a stated sum, generally about half of the deductible, in a medical savings account for the employee. That sum could be used by the employee for medical care. Any part not used during the year was the property of the employee and had to be included in taxable income. Despite the loss of the tax exemption, this alternative has generally been very popular with both employers and employees. It has reduced costs for the employer and empowered the employee, eliminating much third-party payment.
Medical savings accounts offer one way to resolve the growing financial and administrative problems of Medicare and Medicaid. It seems clear from private experience that a program along these lines would be less expensive and bureaucratic than the current system and more satisfactory to the participants. In effect, it would be a way to voucherize Medicare and Medicaid. It would enable participants to spend their own money on themselves for routine medical care and medical problems, rather than having to go through HMOs and insurance companies, while at the same time providing protection against medical catastrophes.
A more radical reform would, first, end both Medicare and Medicaid, at least for new entrants, and replace them by providing every family in the United States with catastrophic insurance (i.e., a major medical policy with a high deductible). Second, it would end tax exemption of employer-provided medical care. And, third, it would remove the restrictive regulations that are now imposed on medical insurance—hard to justify with universal catastrophic insurance.
This reform would solve the problem of the currently medically uninsured, eliminate most of the bureaucratic structure, free medical practitioners from an increasingly heavy burden of paperwork and regulation, and lead many employers and employees to convert employer-provided medical care into a higher cash wage. The taxpayer would save money because total government costs would plummet. The family would be relieved of one of its major concerns—the possibility of being impoverished by a major medical catastrophe—and most could readily finance the remaining medical costs. Families would once again have an incentive to monitor the providers of medical care and to establish the kind of personal relations with them that were once customary. The demonstrated efficiency of private enterprise would have a chance to improve the quality and lower the cost of medical care. The first question asked of a patient entering a hospital might once again become “What’s wrong?” not “What’s your insurance?”

“When he sends ACORN and union thugs to the town hall meetings to confront and intimidate those that appose him and creates a website for the purpose of compiling the names of those with (as the Soviet Union used to say) “inappropriate political views”, I’d say he’s trying to take away our right to free speech.”
Posted by: Aaron | Aug 7, 2009 3:36:35 PM
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from the curriculum of “Cretin 101″.

Republicans and conservatives are so ignorant, selfish, and lack the ability to see things the way they truly are. Just because thy have healthcare, just because they have had opportunity, just because they think that there idea of how government should be run is the only way. They are going to ruinn this chance for our country. We will be the only industrialized country with out healthcare. They all like to claim we have the best healthcare on the planet. Ha HA were near the bottom on every scale. We have more heart problems, we’re overweight, we have pretty crappy infant mortality rate. You take your Medicare, your socialized medicine that all you pea brains hate so much but you don’t want people to have the same. You would rather spend BILLIONS of dollars overseas than help out fellow Americans, SHAMEFUL. Is it because are President is Black you can not support this needed change. Why do care if insurance companies make 25 Bllion in profit or 5 Billion. You idiots were sucked into the GOP lies and Insuarance Lobbiest that made you scared and weak. What you don’t want to pay anymore taxes, you morons it’s 2/3 paid for allready by money we are wasting. As surely as if a politician were to want to be elected for money doctors should be the same. These are postions to serve. You stupid money are worried about the money, how long and how much does your premiums have to raised year after year until you feel the pinch, or your insurance company decides not cover something. Leave our Congressman alone and quit trying to screw this up for the majority. You Lost last year. Come to the table and work out a compermise or you might find yourself with a new system of healthcare that you did not get a chance to help write.

“Republicans and conservatives are so ignorant, selfish, and lack the ability to see things the way they truly are. Just because thy have healthcare, just because they have had opportunity, just because they think that there idea of how government should be run is the only way.”
Geg,
I have been a Republican and a conservative all of my adult life, and while am considering dropping out of the party, my conservative values remain as strong as ever. Your statement above shows very clearly that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I am not now and never have been wealthy. There have been many times in my life when I did not have health insurance. Most recently until about two months ago I had been without it for about two years. You don’t know me so how could you possibly know what opportunities I have or have not had? But you’re so caught up in your leftist stereotyping that you can’t possibly believe that anybody who is not rich would not want the government insinuating itself further and further into their lives. You see a freebie from the government, I see shackles applied to its people.
Remember these words of Benjamin Franklin, “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
That is what I fear.

I wish to correct my quote It wasn’t Franklin. Here is the actual quote:
“When (Americans) discover that they can vote themselves money from the public till, the experiment will be over.” Alexis de Tocqueville.
The observation is still valid.

How about when BO was in Virgina and said “But I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.”
Never saw ABC report on that.
This whole government needs to collapse so we can take our country back.

Hee Hee…. Liberals scared …out of control. The people are turning out ….Let’s see if your Obama
Brownshirts can match us at the town hall meetings…. It is called having some of your own bad medicine.
Go ahead…Bring it….I for one will be waiting.

Heckling? Jeering? They sound like mobs, vigilantes, rioters, peasants with torches…You can’t REASON with people who have no REASON. How sad – all the shrieking going on by these extremists, whipped into a frenzy by lies and distortions. The right wing who encourages this type of behavior are unconscionable. You can’t win elections, so you stoop to the lowest common denominator – stir up the rabble. You may kill reform, guys, but you’re also killing civil discourse. It’s gonna come back to haunt you if this is YOUR idea of free speech; the mob just might turn on YOU someday.

Cram – Just remember those “polls” are based on SAMPLES of voters (usually a 1,000 people or fewer), not ALL eligible and/or registered voters in the entire United States. So have fun with your little numbers, but don’t think you can celebrate the failure you yearn for so much YET. The President still has over 3 more YEARS before you can do squat, or you can wait until 2010 to punish your Congressional reps. Otherwise, let’s just wait and see what MULTIPLE polls say the night before the election in 2012, maybe then they might mean something. Meanwhile, hope you don’t chase those numbers daily – you’ll give yourself a heart attack. As for me, I’ll keep believing this country can do better – I’ll take the “tooth fairy” over negativity ANY DAY.

Current US health care system = the most EXPENSIVE, RATIONED (yes, it is ALREADY rationed) health care system run by insurance companies in the world.
We’re talking about a government OPTION. No, you CANNOT be turned down for a pre-existing condition the way the insurance companies do. No, small business will not be required for provide it, and no, it won’t kill your granny. 46 million uninsured Americans need an option.
NO, Bubbler, this isn’t grass roots organizing – it’s a MOB whipped into a frenzy by fear mongering. No tea for me – I don’t want anything to do with uninformed, irrational, uncivilized lunacy.

Polls are taken with only 1000-6000 participants out of over 300 million citizens.
Eventually, the violence and viciousness of the GOP activists will be seen for what it is. Americans are not so stupid not to catch on. Those of us who respect the President will fight for his policies (the unions are entering the frey over health care at these town halls) with reason and determination; we shall wait for the rest of America to wake up to the hate and racism spewed out by his detractors.

Question: How many of commentators have actually looked at the bill let alone read it?? I get the feeling not many. I do not agree with government run health care but I can say with knowledge that States need to enact laws the force companies to created an UNINSURABLE FUND as with it is with Auto Insurance with premiums set by State law AS IT IT WITH AUTO INSURANCE. That Would solve the problem and allow the State to cover Medicaid Recipients with commercial insurance and make it available to those lacking the ability to pay with subsidized premiums

About the only thing Obama had in his resume as a presidential candidate was a gift for rhetoric. Chicago had such a high murder rate that the state considered sending in the national guard. Personally, given the state of the U.S. at the time, I truly believe Daffy Duck would have won if he were a candidate. Then, despite his LOFTY moralistic phrases, he nominates THREE tax cheats in a row–two withdraw after the media lamely criticize the big O…and Geithner slipped through. Disgusting and unbelievably hypocritical. Now he puts the SCREWS on Israel–and yet woos the Arabs. I haven’t heard a SINGLE VEHEMENT CONDEMNATION of the Hamas Charter that calls for “the Destruction of Israel.” What if it were “The Destruction of France…or Spain…or Belgium?” He seems poised to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons…a nut-job totalitarian regime fuelled by Islamic fanaticism and glorification of martyrom. I consider Obama the BIGGEST threat on the world stage today to Western security–he ignores reality, as his gift is for motivational speaking. He has probably already left our great-grandkids in debt. He is seen as weak by America’s enemies and I fear it is just a matter of time before we awake to news of an Islamist radiological bomb having been detonated. Maybe he should start by INSISTING that Saudi Arabia, an exporter of terror, allow the humble Bible to be carried into its country. His attempt to appease Islam will backfire–Islam=Theocracy, he cannot remake it. Where is John Bolton when we need him???

I can’t stand that health care reform crap, why do I have to pay for health care for the majority of blacks that don’t want to work and will never work in their lives. I’m black myself but food stamps and section A is already available, add free health care to that and you have a society that is entirely dependent on the Govt and will never have to work again. Please mr. president deliver us from mediocrity.

The Dems will be very surprised in 2010 if they don’t take any of the protesters seriously. The mood of the country started when Rick Santelli spoke his mind on CNBC. But it has gotten worse because the Dems have not explained the healthcare bill, have not listened to people who do not want the public option for fear of a govt takeover, and because the stimulus and climate bills were pushed through without anyone reading it. The days of ‘trust me’ are over and no one trusts Congress as you have seen from the polls and trusting Obama is becoming very difficult for many as he pushes the deficit higher. So by ignoring the protesters and marginalizing their voice, the Dems endanger their future. By playing to the far left they are just as bad as the Republicans playing to their far right. Vote them out in 2010 and Obama in 2012.

So just because he won the election everyone else has to shut up ? really ? Is this change ? Is this transparency ? No sir this is Chicago Mafia at it’s best. The Pres ows a lot of favors to those who got him so quick into the White House. By the way is like a JFK re run. Isn’t it ??

The drop in unemployment is simply attrition (the companies have laid off to a point where they are now nearly all running on skeleton crews and 4 day work weeks). The fact is while they may not be firing and laying off as much (last month) they ARENT HIRING PEOPLE BACK!!!
Dont forget its summer hours and a lot of people went on vacations in July and employers simply dont fire as much when the regulars are on vacation.
You may see a slight increase in hiring around October (for the Christmas season) and then more massive layoffs and firings beginning after Dec 24, 2009.

Does the president and the leftist congress want to have a redo of the 60′s. Great, we can see the true face of the lefts peace and love BS that only seem to apply to those they agree.
Thugs beat up an African American man at a protest last week handing out ‘don’t tread on me’ flags and not a mention on any news media except one.
The left are the THUGS and are throwing gas on the fire. They are disgusting. Who will they deem unworthy of next. HIPPOCRATES ALL. Guess they haven’t used enough people this year yet.
This is insane and the far left have lost their collective minds.
Police, CIA, seniors as ‘mobs’, they are making friends fast in DC.
It’s down right Orwellian and of the leftists OWN making.
When the administration attacks others as a defense is disturbing and WRONG. They seem clueless as well. Attacking opponents during a campaign is NOT the same as when you have the white house, senate, and house of representative. It reeks of elitism, snobbery, and bulling.
A great uniter he most certainly is NOT.
(explain how even when the economy recovers, how do we begin to cover the debt when taxing the top 5 percent 100 percent have no chance of even beginning to pay for)

The ones supporting POTUS plans are the unions that were saved by the bailouts at the expense of the taxpayers.The lowest kind.

Private, for-profit insurance companies = rationed care. For-profit drug companies = rationed care.
I am not lazy or incompetent. I’ve worked full-time making a good living since I graduated from high school. I also have a chronic, incurable medical condition and I am one exacerbation away from losing my excellent, employer-paid health insurance coverage.
Single-payer health care is going to happen eventually. I hope it’s in time that my young nieces and nephews don’t have to worry about losing everything they have because they got sick the way I worry about it every single day.

Is there any reason why Michele obama needs 22 tax paid staffers! Hillary had only 3 and Laura Bush had only One staffer!

I can’t figure it out. For example: The Postal Service is broken beyond repair. If the gov’t can’t fix it, why do we think the gov’t can run health care which is more difficult and complex? Our public education system is broken beyond repair. The gov’t has tried to fix it for the past 40 yrs, both Dems & Repubs, but can’t do anything except throw more money at it.
I don’t believe the gov’t can run any national program and make it run better or reduce it’s cost.

Imagine how many more perscription-drug addicts there will be when hardcore pill addicts fill up hospitals and doctors offices because they arent afraid of having to pay the doctors or hospital bill to get their oxycontins and percocets. If Obama really wants his healthcare passed he should seriously consider legalization and government distribution of these hard drugs (and let marijuana be sold at liquor stores and coffee houses like alcohol and cigarettes). Perscription drug addicts and what they will do are another unseen problem and unmentioned consequnce to Obama’s health care plan.

Freedom of Speech has never been at the expensive of another citzen’s right to it. Democrats remember, plan adequate security for these Town Meetings. Give the Security Team instructions to give any disruptive individuals a warning when their behavior becomes disruptive. Then to remove the disruptive influence the next time it happens. It’s one thing to have a free flow of ideas and information, but yet another to allow peaceful citzens to be bullied by people that I would refer to as Nazi’s. Remember that Hitler was jailed in 1924 and 1929 for what started out as the very same behavior that got carried too far.

Remember the 60s? Love fest, Make Love, Not War, Protests in the streets, Woodstock, STDs, Herpes introduced by Hippies of the 60s, Love Children, Rampant drug use of LSD (acid), Speed (Meth), Weed (Marijuana), Heroine (Opiates), and uncivilized unrest — well welcome to town hall meetings of these individuals who are against health care reform. These individuals were out of control in the 60s and they are totally out of control in these town hall meetings. These are individuals who laughed at Debate Teams and well mannered students and families. They and their offspring are at these events trying again to place upon American citizens the burden of their uncivilized unrest through rebellious tactics against well mannered individuals. They (hippies) brought out the worst of change in the 60s and are again trying to bring out the worst in others. They are the ones who introduced disrespect towards others who aren’t one of them. Well, do you want to be an out of control over aged hippie from the drugged cultured 60s? Please give these out of control individuals their drugs back — they are having extreme withdrawals. And those of us who are well mannered and believe in civil discourse, stand tall, be firm, and stand for what is right for America. Side Note: Palin came from one of the western states that had massive marijuana harvest in the 60s and 70s. Possibly don’t know, but maybe she is a product of Love Fest 60s. 2nd side note: These hippies Love Fest individuals are the ones who spit on our soldiers who returned from a battered war. So, Vietnam soldiers, if you want to know who hated you, look at the town hall meetings and your are looking at those who spit on you, made fun of you, and hated you. We well mannered and civilized citizens cared for you, rooted for you, sent home made packages to you, and welcomed you home with open arms with apprciation for your sacrifice. Again, look at these out of control angry individuals and they are the ones who persecuted you, not us. In conclusion, who has the right message — out of control hippies from the 60s or those who talk and listen to each other’s opinions and decide together and collaborate together for best practices and outcomes. Again — out of control hippies of the 60s or civil discourse?

Hey, RO, sounds as though you were writing about Barky and his ObamAcorns. All we did was pull a page from his playbook back in the day when he was a “community organizer”. “Get in their faces, shout, yell”. Remember that? When the far left liberals march and shout, it’s “democracy in action”. When white senior citizens do it, it’s “political terrorism”. Sorry, but you set the rules.

I don’t care how many people are enamored with Obama’s packaging… if unemployment and taxes rise, while choosing to waste more money on “pet wars” and personal agendas in Iraq,Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, then even Obama will not be reelected absent another “Diebold” election scam that got Bush a second term. Maybe that’s why Obama doesn’t care… Perhaps he’s already “guaranteed” a second term, just like the last bum, Bush the II. Remember when we had two OPPOSING parties, instead of a co-opt one party system that grows deficts on the taxpayers while acting on the basis of rule by force (government) rather than rule by CONSENT (republic). But I guess this “President” (read “corporate lackey”) is just another gofer for the prilvedged class (SURPRISE!)and tax’es the rest of us to pay for their lavish lifestyle and largesse. Maybe Pastor Wright was RIGHT after all!!!

The following reality check may be necessary: The first, the statement ” millions of green jobs will be generated after passing the cap and trade bill”, the fact is: most manufacturing jobs will go oversea, not in United States. Secondly, they said ” the current health care cost is skyrocketing and out of control. Only the new health care reform can save money and reduce cost in the future”, the fact is : the new health care change will cost one trillion dollars more than the current cost in ten years and cutting the medicare spending will be necessary to fund this reform.

Where were all of these hate and fear mongers the last eight years as Bush @ Co. destroyed this country? What do you think had to happen in order to fix the destruction made by the last eight years. President Obama did not do the harm, he is trying to fix a very, very bad problem. Instead of listening to the people whose sole purpose is to destroy our country while making themselves rich, open your mind and actually listen. What idiots to be talked into making an ass out of themselves at meetings that are being held solely to try and inform you.
This country is in real trouble of years of idiots and crooks filling their own pockets and weak minded people not being able to see past their hate and fears to see what really has happened and what needs to happen to fix this.