The Note: Pulling Plugs — Public option on life support, as Obama tests loyalties on his left
By RICK KLEIN A plug was pulled, it appears, after all. Health care reform wasn’t going to happen without at least one more fight on President Obama’s left. And this may just be the last such fight — without offering value judgments on what that might mean. (Speaking of partisan dances . . . Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader, is among the contestants on the new season of “Dancing with the Stars,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reported on his Twitter feed. Hammer time?) The battle to redefine the health care debate is now back inside the central argument of the entire fight: Whether and how to have a public insurance option. Once again, the perils of fighting for a bill that actually does not exist come into view for a White House that had hoped to be beyond this stage by now. Once again, Team Obama will burn a day (if not a week) tending to spurned allies — all without real indications that the center is comfortable with the chosen path. Once again, the coalitions around which governance is achieved are being tested. “The White House, facing increasing skepticism over President Obama’s call for a public insurance plan to compete with the private sector, signaled Sunday that it was willing to compromise and would consider a proposal for a nonprofit health cooperative being developed in the Senate,” Sheryl Gay Stolberg writes in The New York Times. “The reward is that he could punch a hole in Republican arguments that he wants a ‘government takeover’ of health care and possibly win some Republican votes. The risk is that he could alienate liberal Democrats, whose support he will also need to pass a bill.” “Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Sunday that a new, government-run health-insurance program wasn't the ‘essential element’ of any overhaul plan,” per The Wall Street Journal’s Elizabeth Williamson and August Cole. “Robert Gibbs, the president's press secretary, said President Barack Obama wants ‘choice and competition’ in the insurance market.” “This will be a delicate dance for the president, but dropping these provisions might be the only way to get the bill passed,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reported on “Good Morning America” Monday. “Though House liberals argue killing off the public option will hurt attempts to cover the millions of uninsured.” (For those who are disrupting town hall meetings in the hopes of killing health care reform, what’s better motivation than to see Drudge raise a white flag on the White House’s behalf?) (Then again, if the White House wanted the left to turn up the volume . . . ) This is not an obscure funding provision — or even a (comparatively simple) hot-button issue like end-of-life counseling. This, to many liberals who’ve been working the issue for decades, is the central piece of health care reform — even if President Obama hasn’t indicated that it’s sacred for him as a goal. Wait for it . . . “I don't think this bill is worth passing without a public option,” said former DNC chairman Howard Dean. MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow: “Ultimately, if the president decides he’s going to go with a reform effort that doesn’t include a public option, what he will have done is spent a ton of political capital, riled up an incredibly angry right-wing base that’s been told this is a plot to kill Grandma, and he will have achieved something that doesn’t change health care very much and that doesn’t save us very much money and won’t do much for the American people. (Tell us the White House doesn’t miss having Tom Daschle’s voice on the inside right about now.) Roiling Netroots Nation — where they’re looking for a cause: “Many at the convention expressed their own frustration at being unable to effectively push for health-care reform because terms like public option and single payor are confusing. Their inability to do so raises questions about their own effectiveness,” Kris Maher and Jake Sherman write in The Wall Street Journal. “Is the public option really dead? Probably,” Nate Silver writes at FiveThirtyEight.com. “Is a bill without a public option worth passing (if you're a Democrat)? From a near-term political standpoint, almost certainly yes.” If the president abandons the public option: “The left will be disappointed, and its enthusiasm for the whole exercise may wane, though Obama probably won't lose many votes among liberal Democrats on Capitol Hill,” Time’s Karen Tumulty writes. “At the same time, he probably won't pick up many from Republicans, who are looking less and less like they are in the mood to find a compromise. But it could help keep some shakier centrists aboard. And it would lower the intensity of the heat around the entire debate, by removing an issue that the White House has increasingly come to view as a distraction from the larger goals of its health reform.” Can it happen with a public option “trigger”? “Some Democrats are likely to insist on including a trigger that would authorize establishing a public insurance option if the private market does not meet cost savings targets,” the Los Angeles Times’ Andrew Zajac reports. “They say, ' “We can hold down costs.” Well, let's see them do it,’ said a liberal-leaning health policy analyst who asked not to be identified because he advises congressional Democrats involved in the policy debate.” As if this would solve everything anyway: “Even as the Obama team hinted that it could accept concessions that moderate Democrats are seeking, one of the leaders of that faction raised another hurdle for the administration, warning that Senate Finance Committee negotiators may not meet the president's Sept. 15 deadline for producing a bill,” Ceci Connolly writes in The Washington Post. “Ditching the public option requirement might anger more liberal members of Obama's party, but it might allow him to sway enough Republicans to make his health care overhaul a reality. But would Republicans go along with public coops?” ABC’s John Cochran and Scott Mayerowitz report. Plus, the administration still wants end-of-life counseling in the bill, though Secretary Sebelius suggested the concept will “probably be off the table” in the final bill. “I’m hoping that at the end of the day this will be part of the overall package, because it’s one of the most important conversations a family may ever have,” Sebelius told ABC’s Jake Tapper. May need to recast this line: “At this point, all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies,” Paul Krugman writes in his New York Times column. No magic here: “Local groups planning to protest Obama's health-care plan when he speaks today before the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention said dropping the public option would be a step in the right direction. Nevertheless, they will show up in downtown Phoenix to criticize national health-care reform,” Ken Alltucker reports in The Arizona Republic. As always, there’s the noise to contend with: “Obama's team is resisting advice to take a harsh line against the angriest of the protesters and toward Republican leaders who appear to be encouraging those citizens. In large part, that's because Obama doesn't feel comfortable adopting that posture,” Dan Balz writes in the Sunday Washington Post. “But he is reportedly frustrated that his message hasn't broken through. He is using his August road show to recalibrate — something he has often done in the past when struggling with his message.” “Complicating the matter is that, for now, Obama has no single piece of legislation to neatly defend,” the AP’s Ben Feller writes. More from the air wars: Health Care for America Now and the AFSCME on Monday are launching a new $650,000 television ad campaign targeting Republican leadership in the House and Senate, plus seven rank-and-file GOP members of Congress who “have voted or spoken out against health care reform.” Check out the new ad HERE. The president remains out west Monday, with a 1 pm ET speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention in Phoenix. An anniversary we’re looking for celebrations around: The stimulus package has now been law for six months. (President Obama, on Feb. 17: “And we expect you, the American people, to hold us accountable for the results.”) In that spirit: “Six months after President Obama launched a $787 billion plan to right the nation's economy, a majority of Americans think the avalanche of new federal aid has cost too much and done too little to end the recession,” USA Today’s Brad Heath reports. “A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll found 57% of adults say the stimulus package is having no impact on the economy or making it worse. Even more — 60% — doubt that the stimulus plan will help the economy in the years ahead, and only 18% say it has done anything to help improve their personal situation.” In that same spirit: “With only 15 percent of the cash spent, the stimulus has already saved more than 500,000 jobs, according to separate estimates by Moody’s Economy.com and HIS Global Insight,” Bloomberg’s Al Hunt reports. “The fate of health care is inextricably linked to the economy. It is a test of the administration’s competence: if they can’t get a stimulus right, how do you expect them to overhaul 17 percent of the nation’s economy? It also forms the perception of the financial climate for any other measures.” Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, makes her primary challenge against Gov. Rick Perry, R-Texas, official on Monday. She led off with a video to supporters released Sunday. The announcement comes at 9 a.m. ET in La Marque, Texas, kicking off a 5-day, 19-stop tour dubbed “Texas Can Do Better.” “As Republicans, we can continue down the road of shrinking majorities. Or we can inspire, unite, and grow our party,” Hutchison plans to say, per excerpts provided to The Note. “Rebuild it from the bottom up, and reach out to Texans and say, ‘If you are for limited government, lower taxes and less spending, we want you in the Republican Party, we welcome you and want you to be active in our cause.’ That’s how we will win elections, keep the majority and be worthy to lead our great state. And that’s what we’re going to do if I’m heading the Republican ticket.” Can you tell football season is upon us? “Preseason is over. And the kickoff of Kay Bailey Hutchison's run for governor today is the road trip that could determine if she's around for the playoffs next spring,” Christy Hoppe writes in The Dallas Morning News. “Hutchison must set a tone, establish a theme, draw a distinction and explain to Texans in a compelling way why she should be governor, said a half-dozen strategists who have run primary campaigns in Texas.” The David Boies-Ted Olson suit on gay marriage in California gets a hearing this week: “This week's hearing could determine who will be involved in pursuing this suit, and provide a roadmap on how it will progress. But the battle again points up Hollywood's eagerness to play a role in the marriage effort, even while getting mixed signals about exactly how to do that,” Variety’s Ted Johnson reports. “A trio of legal groups — Lambda Legal Defense & Education Fund, the ACLU Foundation and the National Center for Lesbian Rights — have long been pursuing same-sex marriage and gay rights cases in California and other states, and want to join in the suit.”
The Kicker: “Igneous rock.” — Malia Obama, showing that she did her homework before her family’s trip to the Grand Canyon. “High-five!” — Michelle Obama, proud mother.
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The democrats do that and I’ll stay home on election day the republicans can have it. I not going to vote for cowards.
Posted by: rightbehind | August 17, 2009, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Is the health Care bill “Mutating”? Mutation we can BELIEVE in. YES WE CAN! YES WE MUTATE!
Posted by: Freedom. | August 17, 2009, 8:34 am 8:34 am
This doesn’t mean opponents who have decried a “government takeover” will suddenly quiet down and let “reform” pass.Dropping the public means the White House now has a toothless bill for the mobs to twist and distort as much as the old one.
Posted by: matt | August 17, 2009, 8:36 am 8:36 am
The republicans warned them it was theirs to loose. Vote public health care straight up or down. We win either way. We either get public health care or a list of politicians to send packing. I will not vote for cowards. The republican will sweep both house coming the 2010 elections if you do not grow a spine! See the republicans laughing at you??
Posted by: rightbehind | August 17, 2009, 8:39 am 8:39 am
If they drop the Public Option what is the Point of Healthcare reform President Obama you were Elected put your foot Down Lead stand up to the Dirty Blue dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Angie in PA | August 17, 2009, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Democrat here. Who wants or needs a LEADER who FOLLOWS? I’m removing myself from the party who hired a man who is more concerned about looking good rather than doing good.
Posted by: WW | August 17, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
A national public option IS the essential element in any reform if it is to actually work and make a real difference. This is the only element that has the power to rein in the obscene profiteering of the private insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Any politician who favors dropping the fight for this will be ovted out next election, plain and simple, and I plan to let the legislators from my state know this again today. I urge those of you who agree to do the same. To drop this option will mean essetially maintaining the status quo, only with even more tangled red tape that the insurance companies can twist and bastardize to their advantage.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | August 17, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am
Bad day for Obama. The dems have staked their future on this public option and it never had a chance. Now we can get down to serious health care reform that will not bankrupt the country.
Posted by: billy bob | August 17, 2009, 8:48 am 8:48 am
The ‘Public option’ was essential and now it’s not!? I would not believe a thing this administration says now. They had a progressive idea and BLEW IT by trying to force it down our throats and adding on ominous provisions to placate their voter base and as political payback. It deserves to die.
Posted by: LongT | August 17, 2009, 8:48 am 8:48 am
YES WE NEED HEALTHCARE/INSURANCE REFORM. TOTAL DISMANTLING AND REBUILDING THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS NOT THE ANSWER. TWO THINGS NEED TO BE DONE – ONE IS TORT REFORM AND SECOND IS GET THE LOBBYISTS OUT OF THE PICTURE. THIS PLAN WILL BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY – THE PROPONENTS OF THIS PLAN CANNOT EVEN GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW IT WILL BE FUNDED. BUT MY GUESS IS THAT AS IS USUAL WITH GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS IT WILL BE THE MIDDLE CLASS TAX PAYER AND SMALL BUSINESS THAT BEAR THE BURDEN. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL THE TAXPAYER BASE GOES AWAY??
Posted by: MJ | August 17, 2009, 8:49 am 8:49 am
angie in pa its the will of the majority of the people deal with it as a moderate independent i have to say i love to see liberals squirm i knew their would be no public option its a known fact most people are center right enjoy the ride.
Posted by: natale from mass. | August 17, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am
There are countless ways to actually lower healthcare costs without government taking over.
Why do liberal democrats want government to run it? Government can’t run anything well. Everything the government touches costs an enormous amount of money. All for services that are mediocre at best. The list goes on and on about what we actually get versus how much money has to be pumped in it when the government gets involved.
Maybe they should take the approach of actually lowering the costs to healthcare so people don’t need insurance to pay for it, we can afford it just by opening our wallets.
Posted by: Paul | August 17, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am
For once I agree with the right. If Obama had enough experience he wouldn’t have folder under pressure.
Posted by: WW | August 17, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am
I will repeat my plan for healthcare reform so you govt option supporters can see what is needed in this country. 1. Tort Reform 2.Insurance regulation reform 3. Federal govt to assist people who cannot afford insurance, but not just a give away. 4. Fed govt to help pay for increased rates for pre-existing conditions. 5. Mandate that emergency rooms are for emergencys only.
Posted by: billy bob | August 17, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Obama should not give up. The Republicans have been trying a find a way to embarrass him and they think they have him on the ropes. Obama need to listen to the people and not the crazies or the republicans or blue does. Some things you have to stand your ground because it is right!!!!
Posted by: lowes4321 | August 17, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am
NATILE FROM MASS
Its not the People are center Right the Democrat party has been Hijacked by the dirty dogs the Blue dogs who call themselves Democrats! They are DINO They might as well switch parties they are SO IN BED WITH THE LOBBYIST IT AINT FUNNY!
Posted by: Angie in PA | August 17, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Just have a cap on what private insurers would be responsible for. Eliminate the need for a reserve fund that private insurers have to keep to cover expensive treatments. We the people would have to contribute to the national reserve fund and after a period of time the fund would be financially sound. The private insurers would have to drop their rates making insurance affordable. I do not know what the cap would be but I am sure there is someone who could tell us all what it would be.
Posted by: afloatinasea | August 17, 2009, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Then can go ahead and drop the Public Option the Republicans will still not vote they are at to Destroy him President Obama you are to smart to give into their Political games!
Posted by: Angie in PA | August 17, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Next time a Conservative spouts “Socialism”, ask them if they for getting rid of the military, police, fire department, and air traffic controllers.
When they gripe about the budget, ask them if they griped when military spending was breaking the country.
You can’t have it both ways.
You are either for or against any socialistic program, or you are either a true fiscal conservative, or you aren’t. There is no in between.
Posted by: brian | August 17, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am
Where is Joe Biden in all of this? He has not said a word. Joe come on out and stand by your President. Let him know he has to fight man– for the real American people. People are counting on this bill to pass with a public option. You know Jessie Jackson if he was president would definitely not give up!! Obama and Biden need to step up!!
Posted by: lowes4321 | August 17, 2009, 9:14 am 9:14 am
angie in pa the blue dogs are the moderate and conservative democrats the majority of the people face it the iberals will never have power. only power to the people democracy at work you got to love it keep squirming im loving this.
Posted by: natale from mass. | August 17, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
brian
The only thing the federal government is supposed to do per the Constitution is defend this country, ie military.
Don’t get your levels of government confused: local, state, federal.
Posted by: Paul | August 17, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am
I just want to say one more thing. The best military in the world. Government. Compair that to Black water. The people who teach your kids govenment employees. The govenment which all of you repulicans seem to think is some forgein evil separate enity is of the american people for the american people. Again I just bleeding more red blood that looks orange to you.
Posted by: Macrose | August 17, 2009, 9:21 am 9:21 am
If the democrats don’t vote public health care straight up or down they are done.
Posted by: rightbehind | August 17, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
1. Tort Reform 2.Insurance regulation reform 3. Federal govt to assist people who cannot afford insurance, but not just a give away. 4. Fed govt to help pay for increased rates for pre-existing conditions. 5. Mandate that emergency rooms are for emergencys only.
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Sounds to me like too much government intervention…
1. Tort reform is government would get in the way of lawyers earning a living and victims getting windfalls from bad doctors. Why should government set limits on how much can be won in a lawsuit? Let the court determine limits.
2. Insurance regulation reform. Why limit profits insurance can make by putting regulations on innocent companies about who they should or should not insure?
3. Isn’t determining who should orshould not be eligible for insurance government intervention? Keep government out of this and let the free market determine who should be covered.
4. Why should the government pay for pre-existing conditions? If your heart condition is caused by years of bad habits or your lung cancer is caused by years of smoking why should healthy Americans pay for the consequences of your poor health choices?
5. Why should government determine what is an emergency? If a child goes to the emergency room for severe abdominal pains and it turns out to be nothing more than gas (as happened with my child) why should the government decide whether or not this was an emergency?…
Seems to me what you are proposing is nothing more than more government intervention in people’s lives. Instead let the free markets decide…if people die, oh well…everyone is going to die anyway..
Posted by: indy_voter | August 17, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Hey How about Obama Admit this mess is not health care reform. Then go back to the Drawing Board and come up with a plan to control the cost of Medical Care, not Medical Payment. Something that doesn’t cost trillions or create some giant government HMO and see if that doesn’t pass quickly.
Posted by: Rick | August 17, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
“GIBBS: Well, Harry, what the president has always talked about is that we inject some choice and competition into the private insurance market. There are places in this country, unfortunately, where if you don’t get insurance through your job and you are seeking it on the private insurance market, you don’t have any choice but one health insurance company. What the president has said, in order to inject choice and competition, which will drive down costs and improve quality, that people ought to be able to have some competitor in that market. There ought to be a choice that they have. The president has thus far sided with the notion that that can best be done through a public option.
SMITH: … a hedge?
GIBBS: No, no, no. What I am saying is the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market. Again, if you are in a place in this country where you only get one choice, how in the world are you going to be able to convince anybody that you are driving down costs when you don’t have to compete against anything? ———– “On Sunday afternoon, White House health care reform spokeswoman Linda Douglass also emphasized the president’s support of the public option, echoing Gibbs’ comments and declaring that “nothing has changed.”
In an email to Politico, she wrote:
“Nothing has changed,” said Linda Douglass, communications director for the White House Office of Health Reform. “The president has always said that what is essential is that health insurance reform must lower costs, ensure that there are affordable options for all Americans and it must increase choice and competition in the health insurance market. He believes the public option is the best way to achieve those goals.” —- Robert Gibbs comments on Sunday are not complete here. Please report the news and not just what will get people in a tizzy! This idea of no public option took of with the cherry picking of statements. Let’s get a bill written then see what it contains. Angie in PA———– They public option is not the totality of what HCR is about. Lets see what happens. I think this is like the campaign, we had Pres. Obama attempting to be civil, when it got to a point that it was obvious there would be no civility from the other side (he attempted to lead by example) he came back with a vengeance.
Posted by: Try the truth | August 17, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am
We need the public option. We need to get giant insurance profits and CEO pay out of the mix. The multi-million dollar sabotage efforts of these mega-corporations has succeeded in stopping the fundamental changes we need to make in healthcare. So long as the bottom-line matters more then the care of the sick, we aren’t going to cure our healthcare ills.
Posted by: Trish | August 17, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader, is among the contestants on the new season of “Dancing with the Stars
OMG, this is the current state of the Republican Party in a nutshell. The Republican Party has been acquired by the entertainment division of the MSM. Sarah Palin, with her nice legs and Twitter communication style, blathering idiot town hall ranters – must see TV! It’s unbelievable.
Posted by: Amy B Maine | August 17, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Well, well, well……. the media has gotten you guys all up in arms again! Remember a couple of weeks ago when they got you going on “taxing the middle class”?
You all need to get off the reactionary pills and don’t take everything you read as gospel!
Remember people- it ain’t over till it’s over!
Posted by: jas | August 17, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
I do not blame Pres. Obama. I blame all the Republicans and a lot of Dems who do not stand up and fight for healthcare. If the bill is not good, go over it and make one that is. I am so sick of this. No matter who gets in nothing gets done. That is why this president tried to put a time frame on this, he said if he doens’t nothing gets done. How about we vote ALL of Congress out next election and vote for an INDEPENDENT. And people are to blame to ….they believe all the lies and hate sprewed by Palin, Gingrich and the likes. No wonder our country is in such a mess.
Posted by: Barb | August 17, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Haven’t heard from ‘Nanny’ Pepolsi lately. The last time I heard her input was a month ago when she said it would push through regardless.
Posted by: LongT | August 17, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
What will happen now is, the blue states will move towards covering their uninsured and reforming healthcare, thus improving the economic outlook and quality of life in the blue states, and the red states will drop further, and further, and further behind.
Glad I live in MAine!
Posted by: Amy B Maine | August 17, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
and the poster who said Pres. Obama should not give in is right. He is one of the only presidents to really try and do something and people are bashing him? This is a Republican joint venture out to destroy him. And the Dems who are joining in are just as bad. Pres. Obama cares about the average person, these nitwits do not…only greed and money.
Posted by: Barb | August 17, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
We can’t afford this healthcare reform that is being crammed down our throats by fiscally irresponsible politicians.
• Medicare has a projected unfunded liability (the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums) over the next 75 years of 32,000,000,000,000.00 (32 Trillion) dollars. Social Security also has an unfunded liability but it is nowhere near as large as the unfunded Medicare liability.
• Currently, Medicare claims about 11 percent of federal nonentitlement tax dollars.
• By 2020, Medicare deficits will claim one in every five federal tax dollars that are not already dedicated to Medicare and Social Security.
• This means that in just 13 years the federal government will have to stop doing one in every five things it does today if taxes are to remain at their current level and projected Medicare benefits are paid on behalf of the disabled and the elderly.
• By 2030, the deficits in Medicare will claim one in every three general revenue dollars; by 2050, they will claim one in every two.
In a July 26 letter to the Ranking Republicans on four key committees (Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Education and Labor, and Budget), the Director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Doug Elmendorf, made it clearer than he ever had before that the bill, in its original July 14 form, would dramatically widen the already large gap between long-term government revenue and spending. Here’s the key paragraph:
“Looking ahead to the decade beyond 2019, CBO tries to evaluate the rate at which the budgetary impact of each of those broad categories would be likely to change over time. The net cost of the coverage provisions would be growing at a rate of more than 8 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; we would anticipate a similar trend in the subsequent decade. The reductions in direct spending would also be larger in the second decade than in the first, and they would represent an increasing share of spending on Medicare over that period; however, they would be much smaller at the end of the 10-year budget window than the cost of the coverage provisions, so they would not be likely to keep pace in dollar terms with the rising cost of the coverage expansion. Revenue from the surcharge on high-income individuals would be growing at about 5 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; that component would continue to grow at a slower rate than the cost of the coverage expansion in the following decade. In sum, relative to current law, the proposal would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year budget window.”
In other words, CBO expects the spending in the bill would grow at a rate of least 8 percent annually into the indefinite future, while the revenue to pay for it will only grow at about 5 per cent per year. Hence the “substantial increases” in federal budget deficits beyond 2019.
The first things the idiots in DC need to do is get Medicare under control and then address the growing debt of the federal government. For over 60 years the politicians have been spending at a rate which exceeds the revenue the government has collected, we can’t do this in our private lives and the government can’t do it either as the bill will become due and the only out will be the bankruptcy of the United States.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | August 17, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
stardate, you are what is wrong with this country. You don’t get your social secruity or medicare.
Posted by: Macrose | August 17, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Have a heart America! Why are we so selfish toward are own. We feed the world, police it, and fortify it to the tune of trillions, but turn our backs to Americans down on their luck, marginalized, or just completely disenfranchised. Somebody end this war on Everyday America!
Posted by: Barry | August 17, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Just what the republicans wanted. Hannity is frothing at the mouth with glee. How he and Beck can justify scaring these old people with falsehoods is beyond me. And they think that they are the only Americans. I hate the phrase they use “regular americans” or “ordinary americans” as if the rest of the world is not regular or ordinary. We are all equal under the constitution they often preach about. When they say “let’s go back to the way the constitution was meant” does that mean “slavery?” That is the way it was. What makes me angry with the republican party which I was member of for twenty three years, is that they think they are the only real Americans. No one else loves this country like they do. Well, they are wrong…my father fought in two wars and when I was a child we had McArthur’s picture in our living room along with a flag and my father was a democrat. I abhor their self importance.
Posted by: talmag | August 17, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
All Obama is doing is moving the public focus away from the public option and ramping up the insurance regulation part of his proposal. The public option is not going away. The people are more likely top support health care reform if the “bad guys” (insurance companies)get taken down a notch or 3.
Posted by: KsDevil | August 17, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Contrary to what many believe Congressmen do not have FREE health insurance. Their employer is the federal government and like many employers, it provides him with an insurance plan from a private insurance company (AETNA, Blue Cross, Health Net, Kaiser, etc). Congressmen have been required to get their health insurance in this manner since passage of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1983. In this case the federal government utilizes the Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) plan to provide a choice of different private insurance plans to choose from, the federal government as the employer pays a portion (approximately 66%) of the monthly premium and the Congressman as the employee pays the remainder. The Congressman is responsible for any co-pays or deductable payments when service is provided by a healthcare provider. The Congressman is also susceptible to the limits within the plan he chooses, none of the plans cover 100% of the costs the insured eventually reaches a point where he has to dig into his own pockets. The governments only other involvement with the FEHB is to negotiate rates and benefits for each plan once a year. If you want to view the plans and their limits, deductibles, and co-pays just Google “FEHB” and go to the site and see what the different plans are.
The FEHB health plans are either nationwide (plan available anywhere within the country) or regional (plan available only in one state or a portion of a state) FEHB allows the Congressman to change between plans once a year during what is referred to as an open season and he can switch with no lapse in coverage due to pre-existing conditions and if he changes jobs within the Federal Government he can take his current plan with him if the plan is available (he moved from one region to another) at his new position, if not he can switch with no problems. If the government were to open these plans to the public the monthly premiums for a family plan would roughly be between $425.00 and $1300.00, for an individual the monthly premium would roughly be between $177.00 and $550.00 and then everyone could have the same health care as our Congressmen. One of the differences in the plan costs is the level of benefits provided and the amount the patient pays (co-pays or deductable) when receiving healthcare.
This would be the same as the co-ops they are now talking about and would give everyone access to the same health care coverage as the members of Congress which is exactly what Dear Leader Chairman Maobama hsa stated in the past is something that all should have the same coverage as members of Congress.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | August 17, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am
amy b maine health care in mass is getting more and more expensive wake up public option wont work also maine has quite alot of poor people where are you getting all the money picking it out your a** look at medicare its no good coop i believe is one good option but people are going have to spend more time on this you dont rush something like this thats not leadership its foolish
Posted by: natale from mass. | August 17, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Can’t win a fight that they never showed up for. I find it hard to believe, who are they going to blame? Pathetic.
Obama never even raised the sails.
Posted by: Thinking | August 17, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Public Option is more important than public opinion. “What’s best for the Most People” = democracy. – Plato
Posted by: Gerald | August 17, 2009, 9:52 am 9:52 am
I like the idea of a non-profit, health care cooperative. The point isn’t for the government to have a primary role in health care. The critical point is to have quality, affordable health care, eliminate as many as the hassles as possible, and that all Americans be covered. I like that Obama is a pragmatist who is focused on what will work and get the job done. He is not the “decider”, but rather the “fixer”.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | August 17, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Democrat here. Who wants or needs a LEADER who FOLLOWS? I’m removing myself from the party who hired a man who is more concerned about looking good rather than doing good.
Posted by: WW | Aug 17, 2009 8:44:56 AM
I cant believe you are surprised that’s what he has done from the beginning.
Posted by: 'Un-American' | August 17, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
I dont claim to know how ALL Americans feel but I know how I feel, and judging by the outcry we see coming from people who have never protested before, who have always been the silent majority, and the sinking poll numbers of this fraud in the white house I have something to say that I feel NEEDS to be said because there is more than just the spending, and the bills at work here and Americans know it. Where there are thousands coming out to speak up there are thousands, maybe even millions more at home thinking the same thing! That is why I am going to get on a bus and ride for 20 hours to get to Washington DC on 9/12 and why millions of us need to be there!
THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS MINIONS GIVE AMERICANS THE CREEPS!
It is truly right and correct that the American people point out the similarities of this administration to Hitler and the national socialists he put together because Obama is attempting to do the same thing here! He was raised, and mentored by communists. He sought them out when he got older to continue his communist connections. He sympathizes with Bill Ayers and his ilk, and he got married to, and by black liberation communists!
Let’s quit kidding ourselves here!
He is giving comfort to our enemies. He is trying to add to the call for Isreal to commit national suicide by seeding lands that are theirs to the Palestinians. God GAVE that land to them, and he has told them to never give up even so much as an inch of it lest they incur his rath as a few of her leaders have found out the hard way when they fell ill and died, or became vegatables after making deals to give up land. He has said that whomever stands with Isreal shall receive his blessings like America enjoyed for so long and whomever goes against her shall have those blessings taken away, as America is starting to see as we fall further and further as we let our leaders backstab, and not back Isreal.
Obama is showing a fondness for the murderous dictators of this world in Iran, and Cuba, and with Chavez.
He in short gives most people who live outside of the marxist, left wing universities, and major cities of this country “THE CREEPS”. He makes the little hairs on the back of your neck stand up when he speaks or is near.
His little made up images and signs he feels he must have for every occasion give us the creeps. They look weird in their blue fields with red stripes and some sort of muslim/communist looking cresent on them. His health care sign with ghostly looking lines of people standing there and again his 3 stars and logo just like the nazi signs remind us of the jews lines up for the gas chambers.
The people he places close to him, Rahm, the Eugenists, the black liberationists he makes czars of, the out and out communists he is trying to go around congerss to stack our government with, gives us the creeps.
The fact that his AG Holder, when he FIRST comes to power calls all of us in the nation COWARDS ON RACE, and then proceeds to let off the black panthers who were intimidating voters gives us the creeps. The fact that they were even allowed to be outside a polling place and that one has been cleared to be a poll watcher next election is creepy.
His website for Americans to TURN IN other Americans because something they expressed in their rights as Americans to exercise freedom of speech because it was somehow “fishy” is Hitleresque and creepy.
His hoards of Americorp, and ACORN, and Organize for America people with their bling following and military style plans for our children to be indoctrinated in some sort of forced so called community service is creepy. The fact that our tax dollars are taken from us to fund these tax free entities who are investigated for voter fraud, and embezelment of those tax payer dollars, who try to win through intimidation is creepy.
The way his wife has this look of absolute hatred on her face when they catch her not knowing the camera is there is creepy.
The things they both say about this being a great country, and they are going to change that. That Barak will REQUIRE you to engage, and there will be sacrifice, and for the first time in her life she is proud of her country is creepy.
Telling people they need to do something (anything) so that all can be equal is something we have heard too many times in other countries as we watched or read in our history books about how millions have been tortured and killed to atain that utopian ideal of equal is creepy.
A sitting US Senator going to Kenya and campaigning for a family member who wants to install sharia law in all of it’s abhorant forms to women and then is later heard of hacking up Christians is creepy.
The fawning followers and media coverage bought and paid for makes us wonder if the whole of what we always considered principaled people were always fooling us. Most people just realized after his death that even Walter Cronkite the man they always looked to in their times of trouble in the country was one of THEM! One of those who thinks the best path for us is to give over all of our freedoms to some sort of world power to be led around from birth to death by a human concept of good and equal for all. That is creepy!
And most of all the powers in the dark behind him, the Rockafellers, Soros the country killer, the Kennedys, the Bilderbergs, the tri-lateral, the UN, and EU, all point to what we just feel is the untimate goal of them and that is domination and destruction of America, it’s constitution, and our way of life! That because of this country’s greatness we should somehow be ashamed and give it all up so that all in the world be they good or bad, if they want to kill us or not can have the same. We do not understand how they cannot see, that by making us weak they make the whole world weak because America and the wonderful people of this country will no longer be there to fight their wars against those who would conquer them, or rescue them from disasters and bring them food, and comfort. We will no longer be there for them, and believe me it would not take long for them to notice our absence.
Any president that stands before countries some allies, some not and declares to them that America is not a Christian nation is an abomination to us! We are a Christian nation, we were FOUNDED on God’s laws, our CONSTITUTION, was written by Godly men and patterened after the rules of morality and love for one’s neighbor. And whenever ANYONE we elect to represent us attempts to tell us, and other countries, that we no longer back Isreal, and we no longer believe in the principles installed in the constitution, and we do not want God to be a part of our government and country we say to that person: YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA, AND YOU SIR HAVE NO RIGHT OR AUTHORITY TO REPRESENT US, OR SPEAK FOR US!
We feel it in our bones. Something is wrong with this man and what he is trying to do.
HE IS CREEPY!
So we will say it as much as we like! We will carry it on signes! We will scream it at our leaders! WE WILL NOT LET YOU MAKE US COMMUNISTS/SOCIALISTS/MARXISTS OR WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS YOU ARE TRYING TO DO! We have fought before over this, and we are willing to do it again!
We say grace, we say ma’am if you aint into that WE DONT GIVE A DAMN!
Posted by: Carmen | August 17, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
NATILE FROM MASS
Its not the People are center Right the Democrat party has been Hijacked by the dirty dogs the Blue dogs who call themselves Democrats! They are DINO They might as well switch parties they are SO IN BED WITH THE LOBBYIST IT AINT FUNNY!
Posted by: Angie in PA | Aug 17, 2009 9:05:31 AM
Your party was hijacked by ultra left wing radicals no blue dog demoncrats. Finally the people have spoken and Obama is starting to listen. If not he will be another Bill Clinton who loses congress and then gets credit for everything the republicans get passed.
Posted by: 'Un-American' | August 17, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am
One of the arguments for healthcare reform is the profits which the insurance companies are making. Dr. Mark J. Perry, a professor of economics and finance in the School of Management at the Flint campus of the University of Michigan has ranked the profits of different industries within the country. When you find Hospitals they are ranked number 77 on the list with a profit margin of 3.6% and at number 86 we find health care plans with a profit margin of 3.3%. Number 1 on the list is beverage (beer/brewers) companies with a profit margin of 25.9% and number 3 is REIT-Healthcare Facilities (Health Care REITs are Real Estate Investment Trusts that own health care properties and lease them to operators. Health Care REITs are subject to legislation which prevents them from operating health care facilities.) and have a profit margin of 24.6%.
The list is interesting in that the profit margin in the healthcare industry is far smaller than the idiots in DC would have us believe.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | August 17, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
The public option was the heart of the the health care reform and if a plug is pulled there is no reform and there will be no Obama 2012. The bums in congress and senate will get a boot in their next election. The main street and small businesses are getting the wrong end of the stick in Obama’s policies. All the greedy, mismanaged, poorly operated companies and institutions have been bailed out and I guess the only one left out of tax payer infusion so far was the ultimate shark, the healthcare industry and now even that is going to get the bailout and license to kill by omission, leading to the most gigantic deficit ever and which will most likely lead to the collapse of the USA as we know it.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | August 17, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Very disappointing. So what’s left in this bill(s)? What happens to the millions who are uninsured or who have lost their insurance? First the surrender because of the “death committee” quote of that narcissist from Alaska. Now this. President Obama, it’s better to admit defeat and try again later than to sign into law a worthless piece of paper that meets the approval of insurance companies (big business, Republicans (politics), fear mongers, and, unfortunately, the large number of people who have been scared by the distortions and fearmongering of those three groups.
Posted by: BachisBest | August 17, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Imperatives for healthcare reform are improving the quality and effectiveness of care and extending care to all Americans presently without coverage. I don’t see how we achieve these imperatives without a public option leading change and providing a large pool for uninsured Americans and Americans with pre-existing illnesses. The insurance industry has not instituted these changes over the past 20+ years and will not institute change without competitive public pressure. This idea is not left of center. It is common-sense.
Posted by: Wayne | August 17, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
gjkotw01 – You said ” All the greedy, mismanaged, poorly operated companies and institutions have been bailed out and I guess the only one left out of tax payer infusion so far was the ultimate shark, the healthcare industry and now even that is going to get the bailout and license to kill by omission, leading to the most gigantic deficit ever and which will most likely lead to the collapse of the USA as we know it.”
You are wrong, in his first 170 days in office Obama has increased the debt of the government by 901.25 Billion dollars. At this rate he will increase the debt of the Government by 1.82 Trillion dollars in his first year alone and 7.74 Trillion dollars by the end of his 4 year term in office. If he is elected for a second term with the same rate of spending then the government debt will increase by 15.48 Trillion dollars. Since the debt owed by the Government was 10.6 Trillion dollars when he took office an additional 7.74 Trillion will almost double the debt in just 4 years to 18.34 Trillion dollars and at the end of his second term it will have increased to an unthought of 26.08 Trillion dollars. The interest alone on this amount of debt will consume more than half of the entire federal budget. This does not even include what Obama wants to put into healthcare which has been estimated may actually cost upwards of 1 Trillion dollars in its first decade and even more after that by the Congressional Budget Office. This is money that the Government does not have and cannot conceivably have without raising taxes to the point where everyone in the country will be paying a much higher tax rate than they are currently paying. No matter how you want to put it any healthcare reform will require government involvement which will lead to required government spending so the money is an important issue, if it’s not there then healthcare will have to wait until such time as it is available. Obama promised change but this is ridiculous he makes all who came before him look minor on their spending while in office. Time to stop spending and do what should have been done long ago, cut spending which is not specifically authorized in article 1 of the constitution.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | August 17, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
natale from mass.
“You don’t rush into this”
It’s been fifteen years since the Republicans defeated Clinton’s healthcare reforms. They had fifteen years to come up with a “coop idea” or health unsurance company reforms and the Republicans DIDN”T. Now you accuse Democrats of “rushing” it? Because they have written bills, held town halls, allowed every one and anyone to put in their two cents? The Republicans took us into two wars at break neck speed, disregarding public input, the minority party’s objections, perhaps Obama should have been more like Bush?
Posted by: Amy B Maine | August 17, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
It’s 1994 all over again. When will the left wing ever learn?
Posted by: John K | August 17, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
insurance companies wins again! The republican was against medicare when it was voted in 1965. Now they are doing it again. Some democrats are in line with republican because they are sponsored by insurance companies. One senator’s wife became a director for Wellpoint insurance company. The best lobbyist your wife.
Posted by: hybridhealthcare | August 17, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
I don’t no people. I think this was a ploy to change some minds and get the votes with everything still in the bill. You must read the first 20 pages. It says it all and will prove to you how they (Obama and party)are lying about the take over
Posted by: Jim Rod | August 17, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Sandcrab1612 get your head out of the sand. You say I am wrong and your two long paragraphs dotted with predicted numbers you are essentially saying what I said in one sentence that we will have an astronomical deficit by the end of Obama’s first term and we are doomed.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | August 17, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Bad day in deed for Democrats, and it will be bad in a year and a half when Republicans get back control of the House and then in 4 years the White House too. Bad days indeed. You squandered opportunities to work with Republicans on the Stimulus Bill, the Healthcare Bill, and the Cap and Trade. You pushed through the Stimulus and Cap and Trade. Now you will lose all those independent votes. Haha, the laughs on you.
Posted by: christian | August 17, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Obama caved but knows he will still come out smelling like a rose. All the liberals saying they won’t vote for him in 2012 will be some of the first ones in line doing just that. They won’t want a conservative to win, so they’ll suck it up and vote for four more years of wishy washy.
Posted by: Nel | August 17, 2009, 10:42 am 10:42 am
I don’t think the public option will be dropped. And I’m so tired of hearing Palin and republicans talking about a government death panel. They need to speak more about the death panel of ghouls hired by insurance companies to find so called pre existing comditions so they can reject a claim. It seems they NEVER want to bring that subject up.
Posted by: Lani | August 17, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am
gjkotw01 – Sorry if I misread what you said but I understood you to say that without healthcare reform the United States would be lead to bankruptcy. I was pointing outthe amount of debt which would be added to the government debt with the passing of Obamacare.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | August 17, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
If they drop the Public Option what is the Point of Healthcare reform President Obama you were Elected put your foot Down Lead stand up to the Dirty Blue dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Angie in PA
Spoken like pure lapdog! It also shows the real liberal agenda, not healthcare reform, but healthcare Reconstruction wether the people want it or not!
Tort Reform is still out there and needs to be done no matter what else in or is not included. Obama should use that as starting point now!
Since the HR3200 and other bills based on it where looking at 18 months to create an initial set of benefits, lets take some of that time over the next few months and breakdown common costs in the system and determine exactly what elements are out of control and look at effective ways to limit their growth and hopefully even cut some costs.
Do this in the open, where the American People can see it. No BS legal language that anyone can intrepret anyway they want. Just Straight forward work for the people!
Angie – You want a pubic option, then create it and then present it in DETAIL (not vague over-written guidelines) to the people. The American People are telling you that this current kind of reform and they way it has been assembled is UNACCEPTABLE!
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
brian,
you do actually remember this…don’t you?
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility,provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America.
I guess in your opinion the Consitution is “socialist”?
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
We the people would have to contribute to the national reserve fund and after a period of time the fund would be financially sound.
That was the idea with Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. That they would fund themselves.
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
The people who teach your kids govenment employees.
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Macrose,
They are employees of your town’s school board! As anothe rposter already mentioned. Don’t get your levels of government confused.
The fedreal gov’t is NOT hiring your local schools teachers.
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
OMG, this is the current state of the Republican Party in a nutshell. The Republican Party has been acquired by the entertainment division of the MSM.
Amy,
Catch up, DeLay is NOT in Congress anymore! Nice to know your now dumping on what former Republican congressmen are doing. It is indeed fascinating the level of obsession that liberals have with Republicans not holding office!
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am
republican lies, never covered
Grassley’s retraction will get nowhere near the coverage his initial statement did. False or outlandish claims are “controversial,” so they get rewarded with media attention; their subsequent retractions tend to pass unnoticed, because the press has moved on to the next false or outlandish claim. The big news orgs blared Grassley’s initial assertion at the electorate for days, but almost no one will ever learn that Grassley didn’t really mean it.
Posted by: our republican plan | August 17, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
That is why this president tried to put a time frame on this, he said if he doens’t nothing gets done.
He put a time frame on it because he KNEW if the American People got time to really dig into it they would see it was NOT a healthcare plan at all. It is a guideline and poor one at the that!
Why all the talk now about listening and these senators and the administratino talking more 7 more about the firming up of the legislation?
If it was SOOOO good and was SOOOOO ready to be passed a few weeks ago, why should it need any more work?
ANSWER : Because it was no where near ready!
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
What’s the big deal? If all you liberals and/or democrats want a “public option”, simply create your own insurance company (call it “The Public Option Insurance Co.” if you like). If you don’t want your company to make immoral profits, that’s up to you. You can compete with all the private insurers and you don’t need Congress to pass any legislation to do this. You are free to do so in this country. So quit blathering and start your own insurance business to provide competition and keep the for-profit insurers honest. That is your goal is it not? Or is there some other reason you want the government in on this?
Posted by: RDH | August 17, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Fact #1: the USA cannot continue to bear the burden of paying 2x as much for health care as the rest of the industrialized world.
Fact #2: the for-profit insurance companies, since entering health care a little over a generation ago, have helped raise the cost of health from 10% of GDP to 17.5% now, projected to reach 25% in several years.
Fact #3: The for-profit insurance companies’ CEO’s would be fired if they tried to reduce – or even keep steady – America’s health care costs, because the insurance company profits would be significantly reduced. The same can be said for Big Pharma and other aspects of the health industry.
Fact #4: The insurance companies have apparently bought and sold Congress ($212,000 to Sen. Demint alone since 2005). Same for Big Pharma ($270,000 to Sen. Kerry through 2006). The head of Johns Hopkins Hospital on PBS recently predicted on PBS that little would happen with health because Congress is bought.
If a Public Plan is dead, we’ve finally truly reached a government of, by, and for the special interests.
Posted by: The_Mick | August 17, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Amy,
Once again…more liberal LIES!!!!!
can you at least take a peek at something wikopedia on this stuff before you post a bold face LIE?
People like you are why every day Americans have had enough of this and are saying NO to this form of healthcare Reform.
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“In August 1994, Democratic Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell introduced a compromise proposal that would have delayed requirements of employers until 2002, and exempted small businesses. However, “even with Mitchell’s bill, there were not enough Democratic Senators behind a single proposal to pass a bill, let alone stop a filibuster.”
Dems had control of both houses then too, not filibuster proof, but they did have majority control of both houses!
The idea that this has aslways been Republicans against healthcare is a LIE!
AS ALWAYS…
Leiberals don’t really lie, they just FORGET the TRUTH!!!!
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
What I have noticed on various news programs is WHo is arguing against government run health care – people over 65 and or disabled. Many already get Medicare – a very successful GOVERNMENT RUN program with over 90% approval rating. This just shows how disinformation and lying by the special interest groups – insurance, etc – can hijack a good bill and distort it to a point where people protest something because of what it IMAGINED and NOT REAL. What a shame. Obama may want to change government, but until they get rid of the lobbyists, special interests and the Congressional members [right and left] who are bought and owned by these interests, NOTHING WILL CHANGE!!!
Posted by: kay | August 17, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Obama….
The constant lying.
The staggering arrogance.
The astounding incompetence.
The dangerous narcissim.
Make no mistake, Obama seeks to put as much of the private economy under government control as possible to create his nanny state utopia where he is the boy king.
Let’s continue to stand strong against Obama in every way. It starts by getting Congress out of Pelosi and Reid’s control in 2010.
Obama is a smug, smirking con man. Nothing more.
Posted by: Jackson | August 17, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Libs, now is not the time to bail out
on your fearless leader. Stay behind
him in his march to the cliff. He
needs you now more than ever. Your
Jan. 20 ecstasy will sustain you for
that last step over the edge. The
hope-a-dope is still operational.
Posted by: Trajan | August 17, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Hey, Big Pharma just told the WH to drop the public option. They paid good money for the WH, so bye-bye public option.
Posted by: Java Joe | August 17, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Many already get Medicare – a very successful GOVERNMENT RUN program with over 90% approval rating.
It is basically bankrupt too ! None of the promises on cost control and being able ot pay for itself worked out. Along with the huge problem of fraud! So WHY should anyone beleive yet another gov’t attempt to do the same thing will work?
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
I’m seeing some say this is a victory for the Republicans.
I think it’s a mistake to claim that the Republicans killed this bill, if indeed the admin is backing off it to let it die. From what I’ve seen and heard it’s a large majority of the American public who are forcing this to a stop. And those people are from both sides of the political spectrum. At least that’s my opinion.
Posted by: Gold Tracker | August 17, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
So, we’re going to pass something just so Team Oblablah can say they got health care reform done? Whether or not it’s good for the country (just like the $787B spending bill); hey, we got it done! Yippee! Unless we have unprecedented period of economic growth, Obama’s reckless spending (just six months into his only term) will cause real pain for millions of Americans for decades to come.
Posted by: S | August 17, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
If the Democrats don’t have the courage to do this with the majorities that they have, I won’t be contributing to or voting for any Democrats in 2010. Grow a pair.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrats | August 17, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Obama never makes mistakes
According to the Dems he’s too brilliant to make stupid errors, he’s just biding his time and playing chess.
Even as Obama uses them, pushes their limits, and tests their loyalty by sending up many trial baloons–they are still too delusional to believe he is an empty suit.
Posted by: nick | August 17, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Obama is having a blast flying around the country, sightseeing, and stopping every now and then to read a speech.
He left the dirty work and the hard stuff to others.
Should be apparent to all who dare to admit it that Obama isn’t tough enough to lead and cannot govern.
He’s a money-maker more concerned with the profits of lawyers and the fatcats that put him in the WH than the ordinary Americans who elected him.
Posted by: max | August 17, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Before you think the single payer system is the answer-check this out.You may see the patterm-doctors underpaid, hospitals losing money.
from pbs.org
German Health Care-What are the concerns? The single-payment system leaves some German doctors feeling underpaid. A family doctor in Germany makes about two-thirds as much as he or she would in America. (Then again, German doctors pay much less for malpractice insurance, and many attend medical school for free.) Germany also lets the richest 10 percent opt out of the sickness funds in favor of U.S.-style for-profit insurance. These patients are generally seen more quickly by doctors, because the for-profit insurers pay doctors more than the sickness funds
Japan Health Care- What are the concerns? In fact, Japan has been so successful at keeping costs down that Japan now spends too little on health care; half of the hospitals in Japan are operating in the red. Having no gatekeepers means there’s no check on how often the Japanese use health care, and patients may lack a medical home.
Taiwan Health Care-What are the concerns? Like Japan, Taiwan’s system is not taking in enough money to cover the medical care it provides. The problem is compounded by politics, because it is up to Taiwan’s parliament to approve an increase in insurance premiums, which it has only done once since the program was enacted.
Swiss Healthcare-What are the concerns? The Swiss system is the second most expensive in the world — but it’s still far cheaper than U.S. health care. Drug prices are still slightly higher than in other European nations, and even then the discounts may be subsidized by the more expensive U.S. market, where some Swiss drug companies make one-third of their profits. In general, the Swiss do not have gatekeeper doctors, although some insurance plans require them or give a discount to consumers who use them.
UK HealthCare- What are the concerns? The stereotype of socialized medicine — long waits and limited choice — still has some truth. In response, the British government has instituted reforms to help make care more competitive and give patients more choice. Hospitals now compete for NHS funds distributed by local Primary Care Trusts, and starting in April 2008 patients are able to choose where they want to be treated for many procedures.
and how do you suppose our current system which has trouble handling the current level of patients, ie: hospital losing money, will cope with 40 million more insured without beefing up the number of doctors and giving hospitals more money to expand. The current proposals call for cutting medicare payments to hospitals.
Posted by: jschmidt | August 17, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Funny how they’re keeping Michelle, Biden, and Pelosi from speaking publically.
I bet some in the WH wish they could hide Obama too, but he’s all they’ve got going for them.
I’d love to hear Biden’s view about the elderly mobs.
And can’t wait for someone to question why Pelosi said she was a fan of protesters in 06, but now they are unAmerican.
Please release Michelle, Biden, and Pelosi. And let Obama come on TV everyday!
Posted by: millie | August 17, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Keep your chin up libs.
Obama hasn’t lost faith in himself.
He’s still smug and arrogant.
He thinks he is the best president ever, the smartest guy on earth, that knows what is best for every human being.
Keep your chin up high.
Strike a pose like your leader.
Posted by: tyler | August 17, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
I am failing to see why one should even vote anymore? The Dems had a landslide election and can’t get anything done on reforming the insurance industry or big pharma. Bush gets in with 51% and somehow had a mandate to start wars, divide the country in half along partisan lines and destroy the economy?
Why vote – when it clearly makes no difference. When the choice is the corporate party or the corporate party lite, why vote?
I am utterly and completely done with politics and politicians. It’s a waste of time.
Our little experiment, the Democratic Republic is failing because of willful ignorance and political malfeasance.
Again I ask, why vote?
Posted by: Michael | August 17, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Michael
Your post resonated with me. That is how I am feeling, as well.
And, I feel as if we are being manipulated by the media to drive up TV ratings. The News department is under the entertainment division now. Why does a failed V.P. candidate and former governor warrant so much publicity over every twit? The base loves her, mainstream people hate her, the media wins big in hits whenever they mention her.
The corporations are setting policy. I don’t know what the solution is. Focus on the local? I do love my state.
Posted by: Amy B Maine | August 17, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
More Americans voted for Obama (69 million) than any other presidential candidate in history, including Bush in ’04 (62 million). And the voters gave President Obama a Strong Congressional Majority, to ensure he could follow-through with the legislative agenda he offered during the campaign. When you couple that with AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY Of The AMERICAN PUBLIC, seventy-two percent (72%) FAVORING A “PUBLIC OPTION”, despite the “Minority Noise.” (Recent NY Times National Poll) So if the Obama Administration – for whatever reason Fails to Pass HealthCare Reform WITH A PUBLIC OPTION, he will have yielded to his minority opposition. And since the present HealtCare cartel’s “Run-Away Greed” is Absolutely Unsustainable, we will all lose in the long-run. (The Fact that a HealthCare Insurance CEO received “A Golden Parachute” exceeding $1 Billion Dollars is a Clue to the overall Cost-Problem.)
Posted by: bobj72 | August 17, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Why does a failed V.P. candidate and former governor warrant so much publicity over every twit?
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LOL, Liberals who are so totally obsessed with her, now wonder why she did not just melt under their constant hate speech. That bewilderment alone is hiliarious!
Amy, people like you empowered her and the media to keep her in the limelight. As with just about everything else, liberals misread it yet again!
Wether you believe her points or not really is not the important thing to note here. What is important is that the President of United States along with a Congress totally under control of the President’s party have so badly handled this entire situation that she was able to garner this kind of attention.
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
bob,
Re-read your polls son, those numbers plummet when the question moves the hypothetical concept of a public option to the real implementations!
By the way, McCain/Palin got 59.9 Million votes. Anumber only topped by Bush 04 & Obama ’08. So despite the liberal attempts to silence nearly 60 Million people, the Peopel are rising up. Also despite liberal LIES, refusing to state the truth of what has been happening, IT IS NOT REPUBLICANS that are making the difference here, IT IS INDEPENDENTS! The very swing voters that gave Obama the White house are now fed up with what he is doing!
Liberals can LIE & Liberals can return to their tactics of HATE SPEECH. It is not going to change the fact that the American People do not want this form of the “healthcare reconstruction”.
Posted by: Mike_C | August 17, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
“she did not just melt under their constant hate speech.”
She resigned her post half way through her term. If thats not “melting” I don’t know what you call it.
What you call Obama’s “mishandling” of healthcare reform, I call “handling it as if we lived in a democracy.” It’s not his fault there are so many gullible, ignorant and ill-informed Americans in this country they listened to the lies spun by the right. Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head when he suggested there are more reasons for America’s approval ratings to go down in Obama’s eyes, than vice a versa. Are we a nation of ignorant fools? Appears so.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | August 17, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
I had hope! Turns out he’s just another politition. No public option=no reform. The greedy multi millon $ ins. companies win. Shame Obama Shame.
Posted by: Judy | August 17, 2009, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
I hear the republicans saying the want health care reform too! Where was this sentiment over the last eight years? Why was nothing done during those eight years? Why, because they’re all about big business and their buddies in big insurance fund their campaigns! Why do the American people trust health care to the likes of AIG? AIG and their buddies almost bankrupted this country and the world!
Posted by: Mark B | August 17, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
The “Angry Mobs” at the Town Hall Meetings are “Media Entertainment” and a “smathering of Seniors-Incited-By-Republican-Fear-Tactics.” Anyone desiring “legitimate public sentiment” need only do some research online. The trends remain the same , e.g., Employee Benefit Research Institute Survey – July 2009; “NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN ELEMENTS RATED HIGHLY”: Between 68 percent (68%) and 88 percent (88%) of Americans either strongly or somewhat support health reform ideas such as national health plans, a public option, guaranteed issue, expansion of Medicare and Medicaid, and employer and individual mandates.
Posted by: bobj72 | August 17, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Its funny that everyone hated the health care system till the right started paying lobbyists to make it all seem great.
The Truth behind the Health Care Fight
Posted by: Shifty | August 17, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
First of all I do not support any kind of public health plan. History has shown that if you let the government do anything that they will make the system totally corrupt.
They like to complain that Social Security and Medicare are going to go bankrupt. They are right. They probably will. In the early 60′s to help finance the war in Viet Nam the government “borrowed” money from Social Security. They have “borrowed” money every year since then to the tune of at least 180 billion dollars. The federal government owes Social Security and Medicare 2.4 TRILLION dollars. THis is money that was taken from YOUR checks. Not tax money. Money YOU contributed towards YOUR retirement. The government prosecuted officals from ENRON for this. They prosecuted MADOFF for this. WHY ARE THEY ANY DIFFERENT?
There are other ways to reform health care without contributing to excessive government intrusion in our lives. Obama has stated that part of the way he would help pay for health care reform is to end fraud and abuse in Medicare. Well if you know its there (and it is) then why not take care of the problem without having to pass the healthcare bill. There is much double and triple billing going on in medicare. (My mother, before she dies made it a practice to report every false billing that medicare paid. Over the past 25 years of her life Medicare paid for double billing well over 300,000 to 350,000 dollars just for my mom)
Why do we allow hospitals to bill the government and private insurance 10 dollars for an aspirin? 12 dollars for a bandaid? Why do we pay them when they do? Take a look around. Every place that I have been the hospitals are always expanding. They could not spend that way if they were not making excessive profits.
Why allow all these huge lawsuits that are totally unjustified. Yes, there are times when lawsuits are legit. But they are the norm now not the exception. We have to realize that contrary to what people think doctors are human. They do make mistakes. A mistake does not justify the same type of punishment as things that are intentional. How would you feel if your auto insurance worked that way. If every single accident could result in you being sued for millions of dollars. What if you failed to remove the ice from your sidewalk at home and the mailman slips, breaks his leg and sues you for millions.
We can put regulate prices. The government has done it to other industries. It can be done to healthcare.
About a month before my mother dies she was in the hospital for 11 days. Just for her room alone (not a private room) the cost was 5725 dollars a day. This was not for ICU or anything. This did not include medications, tests, doctor fees, or meals. This hospital has 985 rooms. That means if the hospital is full they make over 5 million dollars a day. No one can convince me that it cost that much to “RENT” a room.
Control costs, control waste, control lawsuits, and health care costs will come down.
I believe there should be federal laws that mandate that no insurance company can deny coverage for any reason. I believe there should be laws that mandate affordable care for all people through the insurance companies. I do believe thyat any business has the right to make a profit. We penalize other industries when they make excessive profits. We have laws against price gouging and price fixing. Why don’t we apply these laws to insurance companies as well as hospitals and hmo’s?
I don’t want the government involved other than to do the job which they were empowered to do. I want my doctor to decide what is best for my health, not a man in a suit or a politican.
Posted by: SteveO | August 17, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
All of you against a public option…good for you, can’t wait till healthcare is taking 50-60% of your paycheck…cause right now healthcar4e costs are going up 3 times faster than your earinings….then when you or someone in your family gets a horrible illness like cancer they drop your arse and stick you with thousands. Or hey maybe if you loose your job, you and your family can become one of those “uninsured”…you’ll deserve what you get idiots. Keep up the good fight for the GREED FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANIES..idiots.Fighting for insurance companies against yourselves…unbelievable. BECAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR INDEED.
Posted by: mackie | August 17, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Hey Mackie, just what do you think is going to happen when the “public plan” is going to take 82% of your income as it does in Sweden?
If the “public plan” is so great why has the President and every member of Congress stated openly that they would not take it.
If the government is truly worried about healthcare then let them make their plan they available to all Americans. Don’t we deserve the best as well?
Why would you or any other person support a plan that our elected officals openly say they would never consider using. Talk about being stupid.
Posted by: Steve O | August 17, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
My “Hat’s Off to Shifty!” He’s to be commended for the astute work he’s done to nail-down the culprits who formulated the strategy for these “sensitive” Town Hall Meeting fiascos. The “High Powered Lobbyist – DCI Group” is the responsible party. DCI has been frequently contracted by clients to perform somewhat devious political and other consultative tasks for the likes of; R. J. Reynolds, Anti-Regulatory efforts and other hard-line conservative biased positions on government policy. They’ve been involved in politics from local community, up to National and International political policy. They publicly boast some of the following high profile clients; AG Spanos Companies, American Roll-On Roll-Off Carrier, Applied Digital, Catholic Healthcare West, Central Wyoming College, City of Cheyenne, WY, Colorado State University, Coral Bay Community Council, Council of Amer Survey Research Orgs, Denver Children’s Hospital, EchoStar Communications, ELLIS, Exxon Mobil, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank, Freddie Mac, GTECH Holdings (Lottery Management), etc…. For those seriously interested in the doings of this highly political organization, do go online and search them out.
Posted by: bobj72 | August 17, 2009, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
The debate is over of Obama’s health care plan. and who cares of public opinion…
Posted by: sweets | August 18, 2009, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Why can’t just those why pay taxes get health benefits…how b’out that Obama and the rest of the health care reform starters??? NO seriously, this I could be in favor of, but not just letting any old person that comes to America, even the illegal’s to get healthcare and our taxes go up the roof???? No, sure, I will cont. to fight this…
Posted by: henryyoung | August 19, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm