Aug 7, 2009 7:21pm
The White House Goes Viral
From Sunlen Miller:
Check out our report on how the White House has taken to the Web to fight back against what they say are rumors being spread on the Internet about the president and his policies.
Fighting fire with fire, one URL at a time.
-Sunlen Miller
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I reported my brother to whitehouse.gov. He wrote a letter saying bad stuff about Our President’s health care plan and sent it to his Represenatative!
Posted by: mesquito | August 7, 2009, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
OBAMA WANTS ALL HIS OPPOSITION TO “SHUT UP??” I GUESS HE MUST MEAN IT AS HE SENDS HIS UNION “GOONS TO SHUT THEM UP AND DISRUPT TOWNHALL MEETINGS. SOME DEMOCRACY!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 7, 2009, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
This kind of state created media is getting old. It surely wouldn’t be one sided in its presentation either would it.
Posted by: KR | August 7, 2009, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
GOV OPTION HEALTH CARE? HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE BELIEVE THAT PRIVATE HEALTH INS COMPANIES CAN SURVIVE AGAINST THE POWER OF THE FED? THE FED HAS ALL THE MONEY IT NEEDS TO PROMOTE ITS PLAN AND WHEN THEY RUN OUT IT CAN JUST PRINT SOME MORE!! TALK ABOUT UNFAIR COMPETITION?? I WONDER HOW MANY PRIVATE INS EMPLOYEES WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS IF THIS MONSTER GOES THROUGH??
Posted by: Manitu | August 7, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
flag@whitehouse.gov – it’s just like a homeowners’ association gone federal! Snitch on your neighbors and friends – turn them in for perceived violations.
Democrats – is this what you wanted? You who have fought so hard for freedom of speech? Did you think it was right for the FBI to have informants ratting out the dissenter, Martin Luther King, building a government dossier against him? Now it’s okay to do it to other dissenters? What kind of people have you Democrats become? Once we head down this path, there is no return, my friends. You all may love Obama, but would you sell our civil liberties down the river for him?
Posted by: Just a Fishy American | August 7, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
NOT CONSIDERED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS RE HEALTH CARE IS THAT THE BIRTH RATE IN THE US IS ON A CONTINUAL DECLINE. FEWER PEOPLE MEAN FEWER TAX BUCKS COMING TO THE FED TO REPAY ALL THOSE PROJECTED TRILLIONS OF DEBT. ADDED TO THIS, IS THE PROBABILITY THAT AT LEAST 25 PERCENT OF OUR FUTURE NEWBORN WILL LIKELY BE LOW INCOME WORKERS WHO WILL PAY NO INCOME TAX AT ALL…….. PROBLEMS AHEAD. REMEMBER…. “THE LARGER THE FED GROWS, THE SMALLER THE INDIVIDUAL BECOMES.” PRETTY PROFOUND STUFF, AND SPOT ON!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 7, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
I am interested in the political process and soon after the inauguration I emailed the white house on a particular policy issue. In due course I received a form letter-type email back, which was nice. In the past three weeks I have received 8 emails from the white house “informing” me or requesting my “support” on certain things. In the in-box most emails show the sender as “President Barack Obama” and one was from David Axelrod. After the fifth one I tagged all WH email to my spam filter. Have the communication people at the WH lost their minds with all the pressers, town hall meetings and emails? I sure hope they don’t get hold of our cell phone numbers and start calling or texting at all hours.
Posted by: Croation | August 7, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
And go read some of the books written about China’s Cultural Revolution to see how government-encouraged “ratting out of suspicious people” ended up for a few million people there.
Posted by: Croation | August 7, 2009, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Sunlen, you repeatedly referred to “rumors”, accepting the White House characterization of information opposing their health care plan. You did not attribute “rumors” as a descriptive spin of the White House. As you yourself must know, the Drudge headline was not a “rumor” but a factual statement about a video.
Posted by: Dale Richardson | August 7, 2009, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NO IDEA OF THE “SLEEPING GIANT” THAT IT HAS AWAKENED. THE AMERICAN SPIRIT OF PROMOTING FREEDOM OF CHOICE, FAIRNESS AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND WELL AND THIS SPIRIT WILL NOT STAND FOR BEING BULLIDS BY OBAMA’S GOONS. SCARE TACTIC? YEH – PROBABLY IS, BUT THIS IS PRETTY SERIOUS STUFF!!!
Posted by: Manitu | August 7, 2009, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
To Manitu, or any other conservative-leaning poster–
Do you favor the McCain solution of taxing employer sponsored health benefits, or perhaps another solution for reducing health care costs?
And do you favor the idea of eliminating the rules that prevent people with pre-existing conditions from being able to buy private insurance?
Posted by: Danny | August 7, 2009, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
The reason that Obama is in such a sweat to get his agenda passed ASAP, is that the longer it takes to pass, the more likely it will be exposed to “CRITICAL ANALYSIS, AND SHOT DOWN!!”
Posted by: Temagami | August 7, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Danny, I don’t agree with all your sugesstions, but I do agree that fine tuning the current health care programs including tort reform is the smart play. Having the Fed take over sixteen percent of our GNP is totally unwise and unacceptable.
Posted by: Temagami | August 7, 2009, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
“flag@whitehouse.gov – it’s just like a homeowners’ association gone federal! Snitch on your neighbors and friends – turn them in for perceived violations.
Democrats – is this what you wanted?”
Do Republicans enjoy fear or something? Is this what I wanted? Not really – I was hoping after the Bush and Cheney Fear Show (what color are we at this week in our endless war?) left the paranoia would lift. I’m appalled to see it getting even more irrational. Get a grip folks.
Posted by: jhw539 | August 7, 2009, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
jhw – “endless war?” At least we won the war in Iraq, wait.. or did we lose it? NO, we did win it – it was Obama that said the war was lost – fool.
Posted by: Manitu | August 7, 2009, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Waaaah waaaah, people are being critical of THE ONE. Poor widdle thin skinned Pwesident.
Posted by: Bridget | August 7, 2009, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
I’m going to have to turn myself in to flag@whitehouse.gov again.
Posted by: Bridget | August 7, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
“In the past three weeks I have received 8 emails from the white house “informing” me or requesting my “support” on certain things. In the in-box most emails show the sender as “President Barack Obama” and one was from David Axelrod. After the fifth one I tagged all WH email to my spam filter. Have the communication people at the WH lost their minds with all the pressers, town hall meetings and emails? I sure hope they don’t get hold of our cell phone numbers and start calling or texting at all hours.”
Remember the Grand Inaugural, and all the cell phone games that went on there? and the Obamabots gathered every number they could get hold of, during the primaries and the election campaign.
It’s a Virtual Administration. Cute, but those who can’t get medical care are still going to the ER at $5000 a pop.
How do we turn these guys OFF, since there’s no there there?
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
“I’m going to have to turn myself in to flag@whitehouse.gov again.”
“Flag” must have sounded more patriotic than the original “tips”.
While you’re snitching, kids, don’t forget to turn in John Kerry and Deval Patrick — “just words” — as often as time and bandwidth permit.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
THe White House can us any and all tactics to combat these vicious smears and lies from the violent GOP fringe and insurance industry.
Posted by: matt | August 7, 2009, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Tort reform,tort reform,tort reform-until this is addressed cost containment is impossible in the modern medical system.Socialized medicine in Europe “works” because it is virtually impossible to file a malpractice suit,let alone win one.
Posted by: Nephron | August 7, 2009, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Meanwhile, Senator Claire McCaskill, who enlisted off-duty cops for Obama’s message enforcement efforts during the Missouri primary, CANCELLED a “listening session” . . .
Next thing you know, the clothes-horses of the Congress will be meeting their supposed constituents under guard — like Elijah Muhammed and the Fruit of Islam.
Maybe the WH can bring back those braidy white uniforms Nixon was so crazy about.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
I am sick of hearing about the “sleeping giant” that has awoken.
I know the sleeping giant. He lived in Pittsburgh, angry at “Liberals” and minorities and women, and had to resort to violence to dissipate his feelings of impotence.
The remaining members of this silent “majority” (about 23% of the population, but in their minds, the best part, hence their belief that they should be considered a majority, when numerically they aren’t) … well, they are now going to Town Hall meetings to assert a virility that that they no longer have.
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
“had to resort to violence to dissipate his feelings of impotence.”
–> “Violence”?? Yelling and shoving ain’t violence — sending robo-weapons to wipe out some guy in Far-away-istan is “violence”. Whose impotence is being dissipated there, for a bazillion bucks, and a few lives of clueless underclass young folks, a day?
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Bet Noir… don’t badmouth Bush and all the people that voted for him. Of course, that was why people voted for Bush and got all rah rah rah for the stupid war in Iraq. It was all about making poor wimps feel powerful and proud (while Wall Street bankrupted each and every one of us).
But, I would say shouting, shoving, and telling people to bring guns to Town Hall meetings is all about impotence.
Why do you think an angry racialist like Limbaugh travels to the Dominican Republic with illegal Viagra prescriptions…. why do you think conservatives like holding big cigars? And why do you think they are so Jealous of guys like Obama and Clinton?
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
The people who are making their voices heard in opposition to this proposterously intrusive legislation know who they are. They know they’re not being paid by insurance companies and they’re not being bused in by GOP organizers. They’re mad as hell.
And the Democrats are going to pay a price–a very heavy price–for the way they have been characterizing them. There will be an election in fifteen months, and the result will be Carthaginian. They are going to get their butts run out of the House of Representatives in droves.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revuelta | August 7, 2009, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
“And why do you think they are so Jealous of guys like Obama and Clinton?”
Uh … the cigars are jealous? Obama IS a conservative. And He’s clearly jealous of Clinton — but introducing cigars into a psycho-babble paragraph including the word “Clinton” may be a er miscalculation.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
The budget deficit for this fiscal year hit $1.3 trillion in July. Acccording to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, outlays rose by almost 530 billion dollars, or 21 percent, and revenues fell by more than 350 billion dollars, or 17 percent, compared with the amounts recorded during the same period last year.
Thanks, Obama. Hell of a change you brought us.
Posted by: Fructuoso Solano-Revuelta | August 7, 2009, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Obama is conservative… that’s why its absurd to hear all these people sniveling about how he’s a commie.
He’s like Bush, but more intelligent.
I did bring up cigars with Clinton…. precisely because Limbaugh is envious of Slick Willie and his cigar.
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
“why do you think conservatives like holding big cigars?”
Why do YOU think Obama, in the privacy of His whatever, caresses tiny white cigarettes? :^/
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
“Do Republicans enjoy fear or something?”
Hey jhw: The Executive branch keeping records of citizens’ opposition to government policies is against federal law – a law passed by Democrats in reaction to the abuses of Richard Nixon.
You guys have sure done an about face, supporting Nixonian tactics by the Obama Administration. But, hey, as long as he’s one of yours he can do no wrong.
Posted by: Mary | August 7, 2009, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
I think he appreciates the irony…
I don’t go along with Glenn Beck, in saying that Obama hates white people…
But I can imagine he has a good chuckle thinking about little Glenn Beck.
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
The ACLU says the snitch website is a “bad idea that could send a troublesome message.”
Posted by: mad | August 7, 2009, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
“Obama is conservative… that’s why its absurd to hear all these people sniveling about how he’s a commie.”
Well, his organization’s methods are Stalinist — but only because the muddled “Obama” organization borrows from ALL the modern totalitarians (and confuse that — and try to confuse others — with being “post-ideological”).
Obama’s a corporate fascist. Worse yet, he’s a corporate fascist who doesn’t seem to be HALF as smart as advertised, and who apparently has no b___ at all.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Look… I would love to see a weaker executive branch.
But the strong unitary executive we have now was built by Bush and Cheney. It is the law… unfortunately.
For years, I told my conservative friends to push back against their party a bit on executive power. I said, “You shut your eyes on this, and someday there is going to be a Clinton in the White House using all of the tools that you put there.”
Well… there you have it. I don’t think Obama should spy on people, if that’s what you mean. But I don’t know that it is wrong for anyone to read the Internet and provide information to counter other information (provided they don’t do things like DoS attacks or other things that block access to information).
If you are really concerned about the runaway executive branch… you should be talking with your reps (and by talking, I mean talking, not screaming at them or threatening to overthrow the government). It is in their interest, regardless of party, to protect what little power they have. If you don’t like Obama’s authority… work with Congress. Then, vote for an executive who seems least likely to run away with it (Which means Sarah Palin is probably not your candidate).
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
“(provided they don’t do things like DoS attacks or other things that block access to information).”
Ah! You, perhaps, ALSO suppose the addled executive’s organization was behind the Facebook/Twitter deal.
They want to know what EVERYBODY’s saying, but … they don’t have enough hahaha interpreters.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Did you see any violence at the Town Hall meetings…until the WH sent out the SEIU goons? No. Peaceful dissent of Americans has now met the Supreme Leader’s long Chicago arm. It’s going to get ugly, because real American people voicing their first amendment rights are now being intimidated and ignored and ridiculed by the Union hand of Obama. And attacked physically. Liberals do not have grassroots campaigns, because they have to bribe or coerce people to do so.
Posted by: clint | August 7, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Obama is not a Stalinist.
You know why all the Conservatives love to quote Saul Alinsky? Because in the 1980s, they were raiding all that 60s revolutionary leftist literature to build their own activist movement. You know what else? Most of the “stars” of the GOP that were pushing this started out as COMMUNISTS.
You gotta ask yourself… aside from some cosmetic differences… like a few hot-button lifestyle issues… Is the GOP of today really all that different from the Soviet Union? A highly paid elite. Starving workers with meager benefits. Constantly under assault from “enemies” of the party? Building weapons? Expanding territory? Growing prison populations? Social control? The only thing missing, I suppose, is the sort of Soviet-style narrative of the Worker and blah blah blah.
Now, I am not going to say that Obama is God’s gift to the world or anything. But he is much better than keeping the Republicans in charge. At least he will expand the share that is extended to the average person.
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
The White House surely was not responsible for the slowdown of Twitter…
Although, reading some of the Tea Party tweets… I DO think the FBI should investigate some of the Twitterers. In particular the ones who are trying to agitate for conservatives to bring guns to the meetings.
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
“Most of the “stars” of the GOP that were pushing this started out as COMMUNISTS.”
Exhibit A: Ronald Reagan. Obama’s dream daddy.
Obama’s worse than Republicans, because he plays the race card so easily, and the so-called “liberals” of the press can’t see through His birthday suit.
If a white Republican — or a white Democrat — had pulled the stuff Obama’s pulled with the Treasury, he’d have been relieved before now: the Secret Service, or whoever’s job is to arrest presidents, would have Him in irons — it’d be military, it wouldn’t be nice.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Sleep well, barfy. Don’t worry.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Bet…
Are you kidding. Bush could do whatever he wanted. And as long as Limbaugh told the dittoheads it was Kosher, it would fly.
Rank and file liberals don’t know jack about the treasury. Fiscal conservatives of the Ron Paul variety are marginalized by their fellow Republicans. The Liberal economists actually do know a bit, but nobody listens to them. And so, in both parties, you have the kind of Goldman Sachs types running their Treasury. No offense, but we have a managed economy. And Milton Friedman, the Republican’s beefcake pin-up model, basically said that you can manage people by managing the economy…. and so they Conservatives bought into what the Left believed all along.
This is what we have.
Posted by: barfy | August 7, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
“Are you kidding. Bush could do whatever he wanted. And as long as Limbaugh told the dittoheads it was Kosher, it would fly.”
While the Democrats were clinging to their pearls and cocaine in the back room — always more ready to sell out ANYthing, rather than stand up to whoever’s on top.
Now that they finally prevailed — by the use of FALSE populism — in an election, the Democrats are incredulous that the Republicans don’t act like Democrats, i.e., collaborate in/with WHATever.
Posted by: Bet Noir | August 7, 2009, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Why do you think an angry racialist like Limbaugh travels to the Dominican Republic with illegal Viagra prescriptions…. why do you think conservatives like holding big cigars? And why do you think they are so Jealous of guys like Obama and Clinton?
Posted by: barfy | Aug 7, 2009 9:54:21 PM======================================LOl…jealous of Obama? LMAO…..he has an angry wife, he has to hide everything about himself so that he does not reveal his true self and owes everybody for getting him where he is today. That is not worth being jealous over.
Clinton: Hmmmm….why are we to be jealous of clinton? He is not “hot”, he cheated on his wife, many times, he talks like a dope and lets his wife boss him around because he does not have enough to think for himself. Did I mention he had a fling with Lewinski, she is enough not to be jealous of him.
Obama is all hype and no substance!
Posted by: KMDay | August 7, 2009, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
President Obama at a campaign rally for Virginia Gov. hopeful Creigh Deeds: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.”
I hope he *keeps* saying things like that — one or two a day like that would be terrific!!! It’s quite a delight to hear him say these things.
What he did was confirm in the minds of millions of Americans the kind of person he is — a liar who fooled a whole lot of people.
The buffoon *is* anti-American. Everything he’s done so far, both foreign and domestic, indicates he’s anti-American. American is NOT this: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess.”
American is NOT bowing to a Middle Eastern king.
American is NOT siding with a man whose country legally removed him from office according to its Constitution and its laws.
Lots of people, including MSM reporters on Washington Week in Review (PBS), for example, see it as I do. It’s a very revealing thing to say. It solidifies in people’s minds what kind of a person you are, a person who says one thing about working with those who disagree with you but really believes something quite different, which slips out, as that did. Obama probably still doesn’t know what he said. And lots of people heard him. He said, in essence, “I have no intention of compromising, and I don’t even want to hear what opponents say.” That’s not the person that the people who elected him thought they were voting for. Some of them actually believed his schtick. Obama, in short, is a liar. He’s unmasking himself all the time, and he’s already lost so much support that it’s quite astounding.
Oh, yes, he should definitely continue in the same vein as that brilliant comment on the Cambridge Police.
Maybe one a week? After all, that was a big one, worth quite a bit of news attention and commentary. Okay, look, three times a week? Yes, I think that would be just about right.
A man drunk on what Obama’s drunk on will not disappoint me, I am sure. Stay tuned.
The word is out already, though. It’s too late for him. He’s exposed himself already.
Posted by: tanarg | August 8, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Was it just me or was anyone struck by the complete lack of objectivity in the video? What a puff piece! You’d think the White House had full editorial control of this story. C’mon ABC, over 50% of the country now is against ObamaCare and marginalizing them with such a sappy, condescending piece does nothing to advance the debate.
By the way, one of those Oh so “offensive” “astroturf” YouTubes shown, that drove the White House to respond to begin with, was a Democrat. This Administration is coming apart at the scenes and ABC is still looking for tea and cookies in the West Wing.
Posted by: BH | August 8, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am
ugh..it’s late…
..coming apart at the SEAMS here too. LOL.
Posted by: BH | August 8, 2009, 12:22 am 12:22 am
I finally saw CBS do an actual INVESTIGATIVE REPORT! Finally! On the Chris Dodd Countrywide scandal! Yes it is true.
And today, the Senate ethics committee dropped the investigation saying it was unnecessary.
You see that?! A puppet news media organization, that became aware of this government garbage stands up…and the thing is squashed. God forbid, a state run news media tries to run with a story…White House will not have it! Enter Comrade Obama. These things are too easy to see. I hope Americans take their blinders off before it is too late.
Posted by: clint | August 8, 2009, 12:50 am 12:50 am
I finally saw CBS do an actual INVESTIGATIVE REPORT! Finally! On the Chris Dodd Countrywide scandal! Yes it is true.
And today, the Senate ethics committee dropped the investigation saying it was unnecessary.
You see that?! A puppet news media organization, that became aware of this government garbage stands up…and the thing is squashed. God forbid, a state run news media tries to run with a story…White House will not have it! Enter Comrade Obama. These things are too easy to see. I hope Americans take their blinders off before it is too late
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Hello??? CBS reported on in because they dismissed the violation claim. However, fo to the ethics committees website and look at the last two paragraphs.
They told Dodd he should have known what he was doing and stopped it and that because the Senate has not addressed this before, they could not find him guilty of ethics violation.
That is not verbatim, but close.
Posted by: KMDay | August 8, 2009, 12:55 am 12:55 am
I’m wondering if any of the Republicans here would care to address the following issues:
If you lose your job, COBRA is going to cost you as much as 5,000 dollars a year for an individual (much, much higher if you have to support a family).
In many cases, you can’t buy private health insurance at all if you have a pre-existing condition. Period.
And the costs of everything health-related keep going up dramatically. For instance my wife’s former company is switching to a deductible plan.
On top of $2500 a year just for the “privilege” of having COBRA, her new plan has a $2500 deductible, and then after that the copayments are as high as $200 for a simple office visit.
This system needs drastic reform ASAP.
This a time for serious discussion, not ideological ballyhoo!
Posted by: Danny | August 8, 2009, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Danny asks if any republicans would care to address his concerns about rising health care costs that are impacting him directly as well as others.
Danny, I am not a republican, but I am a conservative. I am very concerned about our health care system and I agree that there are too many costs that are rising fast. My belief is that the system is broken due to the terribly low reimbursements to doctors and hospitals from Medicare, Medicaid, and other government mandated health programs. This underpayment causes doctors to have to make up the cost elsewhere, which means that not only are we paying for other people’s health care with our taxes, but now we are paying an increased amount out of our pockets for our own care. The other reason that our costs are going up is due to all the mandates that the federal government puts on private insurance plans. They mandate all sorts of things like acupuncture, chiropractic care, counseling, etc…. These things may be good and beneficial to some, but they are not necessary for all. Why should you pay for something that you will never use, just because I use it? I think it would make sense to limit government intervention to covering emergency and catastrophic care for those who can’t afford it and for those who can, they can purchase it privately. I then would be able to pay less out of pocket for any medical visit or procedure as the market and competition would drive prices down instead of them being artificially priced by government payments through medicare medicaid etc… If I want to go to the chiropractor, I pay my $100 cash to him and you don’t have to subsidize it in our shared health insurance.
Posted by: Jason | August 8, 2009, 7:39 am 7:39 am
Danny, instead of paying $5000 a month for COBRA, while you are still insured look into other plans.
My husband, three children and I have private self-insurance for under $700 month. It has high deductibles but we are more than covered for catastrophic.
Just because a company offers COBRA does not mean you have to stay with that plan which must be a “Cadillac” at those cost levels. My little basic Ford plan works just fine for us.
Posted by: Blue Skies | August 8, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Hey Jason–it’s good to actually see someone on here trying to address the issues.
I kind of like the idea of at least a minimum, emergency/catastrophic government plan, but
I didn’t see how that would drive prices down for less urgent care.
Posted by: Danny | August 8, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Hi Blue Skies–
Thanks for the suggestions! That $5000 was actually annual charges. For $5000 month I would expect to get free sushi at every office visit!
Unfortunately pre-existing conditions prohibit my wife from being accepted by private insurance.
We do, however, have the option of her going on my company’s health insurance plan, which would be about $400/month.
Posted by: Danny | August 8, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Danny – I had cobra recently and all I had to pay was my employer/employee costs which was about 300/month. On another occasion I was on Family sick leave. By law, my employer not only paid their share but kicked in for my half also. I did have to pay them back when I returned to work.
Note – Until Obama starts paying attention to the private business sector and their problems (THEY ARE ALREADY BEING TAXED TO DEATH BY THE FED AND THE STATES) – THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ON GOV RUN HEALTH CARES IS MEANINGLESS. IE – EVERYBODY WILL BE RIDING IN THE CART WITH NO ONE TO PULL IT. ENTENDE?
Posted by: Manitu | August 8, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Viral. I think that’s the best description of obama I’ve ever read. Infecting and destroying the host. Replicating one’s own dna (ideas, purpose, agenda) inside otherwise healthy cells and spreading poison.
Posted by: Eyes Open | August 8, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Note to Obama: It’s still the economy, stupid. You can say we’ve turned a corner but quite frankly those words will too easily come back to haunt you (like “the fundamentals of the economy are sound”). The longer you stay in the weeds with your health reform that 65% do not want, and cap-and-trade that will go down in flames, the worse you will make it for Dems in 2010 and yourself in 2012. The bloom is off the rose and the air no longer smells so sweet.
Posted by: Woody | August 8, 2009, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
A consulting firm that has provided cost estimates of health-care reform to both Republican and Democratic members of Congress, calculates that the Democratic bills currently under consideration in the House and Senate would cost $2.1 trillion and $2.4 trillion, respectively — much higher than the CBO’s $1.1 Trillion figure.
This company apparently had a quite accurate estimate of response to the HSA’s.
The CBO estimate was bad enough, but double it in this economy?
Google: Another Trillion?
Then select the article: Another Trillion? by Stephen T. Parente, City Journal 5 August 2009
Posted by: And Atlas Shrugs Yet Again | August 9, 2009, 5:02 am 5:02 am