Twitter-Battle: Specter v Grassley on ‘Death Boards’

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Specter is useless. He has gone from a double digit lead to being double digits behind in the polls in barely 2 months!
To think the idiot who tried to play the anti-trust card against the NFL over the New England Patriots “spygate” issue because they had beaten his poor Eagles in the Super Bowl a couple of years before that.
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WASHINGTON — With the Super Bowl fast approaching, a senior Republican senator says he wants the NFL to explain why it destroyed evidence from the New England Patriots cheating scandal.
“I am very concerned about the underlying facts on the taping, the reasons for the judgment on the limited penalties and, most of all, on the inexplicable destruction of the tapes,” Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., wrote Thursday in a letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
The story was first reported by The New York Times.
Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the matter could put the league’s antitrust exemption at risk. In a telephone interview with the Times on Thursday, he said the committee at some point will call Goodell to address the antitrust exemption as well as the destruction of the tapes.
“Their antitrust exemption has been on my mind for a long time,” he said in a Capitol Hill news conference Friday.
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He is soon to be Sen. Spectre!
He most likely wont even win his “new parties” nomination.

Ryan C, I could not possibly agree with you any more. The fact that Twitter has become such a part of American life that U.S. Senators are now saying things like “So change ur last Tweet Arlen” scares me more than anything to do with healthcare reform.
It’ll probably be impossible but perhaps I will refuse to vote for any politician who tweets policy.

So he peddled the rumor, just didn’t use those exact words? Sounds like Grassley is splitting hairs. I’ve read what he said and it is clear he was agreeing with the misinformation line that allowing insurance to pay for an advance directives consultation is “pulling the plug on Grandma”. His whole “you shouldn’t be doing this at the end of life, but 20 years before you die” was breathtakingly lame.

You link the discrediting of Palin’s comments, but not her comments? I’d sure like to see them. Is this an intent to report, or to isolate her?

Earlier today, Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Penn., tweeted under his twitter handle
My eyes! My eyes!

It’s hard to believe what a complete bunch of morons the Republican right have become in America.

Bet Noir:”It’s perfectly true that “end-of-life” planning, if any, should be done when people are healthy and at home”
The bill would cover it up to once every five years at any time upon the patients request – INCLUDING 20 years before end of life and the intent was for it to be done while the patient is healthy and living at home.
Perhaps you should read some of the debunking of this myth – EVERYONE who actually understands it knows that the ‘death board’ spin is an utter lie.

Poor Arlen, He has lost his mind, and need to be counseled about retiring from the Senate. The counselor could be awarded Arlen’s PA ticket. Atleast that way the Dems can hold onto their majority.

“Blind, pointless rage.”
Keep it up Leftie! Hey…maybe by the mid-term elections you will figure it out! Probably not, but then again miracles do happen!

Hey gobot, love, a living will is something one discusses with their family.
A “death panel” is group of bureaucrats from the government to pressure an elderly or disabled person to do the right thing and take the “less expensive” route.

Jake,
Call them Sarah Palin’s Death Panels and please don’t associate them with Obama any more. Don’t put his name with them even when quoting Palin or anyone else. The association is firming in conservative minds.

This isn’t about right or left. This is about lying and misleading the public to further your own agenda. For those of us that can read and comprehend what we read, know what this is about. Sooner or later the people that incite hatred with their twisted opinions will be held accountable. What happened to the republican party?

“This isn’t about right or left. This is about lying and misleading the public to further your own agenda.”
I know, I cringe when I hear Obama lying about the health care bill. It’s shameful.

This is about end of life care, not euthanasia. Euthanasia is illelegal. there is no law being changed to allow euthanasia. It’s about insurance coverage for doctor’s visits that discuss health concerns of the dying or elderly. Making living wills and for those that need to discuss the pros and cons of treatment. It’s not about shoving grandma out the door. It’s about letting Grandma make her own choice as to how her illness is treated. And if she wants treatment.

-There are liars on both sides, what is surprising is how the right eagerly believes such incredibly stupid, repeated refuted, lies.-
Easy, this isn’t about AGW.

Arlen Specter is an idiot who never seems to hold on to a set of principles. He kept on jumping back and forth between Democrat and Republican just to get elected. He should retire already!

“Or is our government just uniquely inept in the world?”
Post Office.

It’s VERY SIMPLE.If Congress and the Senate and the President agree to enroll in this health care plan as their own as well as putting their family members under the same plan….well…. But they won’t..Says a lot about the plan does it not???

jhw539:”Seriously, if you hold the post office up as a symbol of failure you are just grossly ignorant of every other postal system in the world …”
“UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, it’s the Post Office that’s always having problems …” -President Obama
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Seriously, if you hold the post office up as a symbol of failure you are just grossly ignorant of every other postal system in the world (OK, Singapore’s may be a bit better, but they have a much smaller purview).
I’m not, but NPR is:
“WASHINGTON August 6, 2009, 08:17 pm ET
Postmaster General John Potter is trying to think outside the mailbox. “We have a network of 37,000 retail outlets. America loves them and we want to keep as many open as possible, but we cannot just sell stamps in them,” he told a Senate hearing Thursday.
The post office said Wednesday it has lost $4.7 billion so far this year and expects to be $7 billion in the red by the end of the fiscal year because of the recession and the movement of letters and bills to e-mail.
Several hundred offices are being studied for possible closing and the agency has proposed other cost-saving moves including cutting mail delivery to five days a week.”
And I’m not sure what Singapore or anywhere else has to do with it.

“Good insurance plans offer this sort of counseling, and it is always done by doctors.”
–> So THAT’s what happens to all the defrocked docs who can’t get into Medicaid-churning “non-profit” clinics!

That was actually candidate Obama’s proposal, everyone get’s Congress’s healthcare, but Republicans absolutely shut it down. Where are the $3 billion/year profits in that?
Profits?! I thought healthcare run by the gubbmint was about savings?

“Me neither, but it sounds good when that’s all you’ve got. Otherwise, you just end up chanting “Si Se Puede!”
Yay for Singapore! And did you knwo that The Vatican has a postal service too? They made a movie about it called Il Postino. The Pope himself blesses each letter.

“No, NPR is not saying the Post Office is a failure. They are pointing out the US Post Office is going through the same sort of cost cutting that FedEx and UPS are. They have too many offices, and are closing them. They may need to go to 5 day delivery like FedEx and UPS rather than six. The only reason it’s news is because USPS has to get Congress’s approval every time they add a penny to a stamp.”
A success except for that whole billions in debt thing I suppose. And I tried to work Singapore into my commment, but failed.

-They are pointing out the US Post Office is going through the same sort of cost cutting that FedEx and UPS are-
Are FedEx and UPS “going through” the same kind of debt?

–> John Edwards looks better every day.
he’s actually a handsome guy. His mistress certainly thought so.

SIMPLE SOLUTION TO HEALTHCARE REFORM POLITICAL GRIDLOCK:
Take away every Congressman’s and Senator’s (and ALL their staff’s) healthcare benefits and let them fend for themselves with private insurance companies just like most small businesses and individual workers have to do. They will see the vast expense (over-charging) and difficulty obtaining decent coverage that hits most of their constituents and gridlock will be gone within a matter of days!

Grassley takes the positon that he did not use the term “death panels”. But did he speak up like the Republican Senator for Alaska did to denounce the terms? No. Did he speak up to denounce Rush Limbaugh’s comparison of Obama’s plan to Nazism. No. Grassley is like many of the politicians in the Republican party. Gutless and driven by the extreme wings of their party. Seems to me that those who should know better should set the example. Grassley fails here otherwise he would not state that the provision is “subject to mis-interpretation”…Democrats like Specter are not much better but I will leave thrashing of him and his new found party to those who enjoy it more….Republicans..

kathie wrote, “But the death panel provision is THOROUGHLY OUT OF THE BILL.
Thank you, Sarah!”
Sarah Palin’s Evil Death Panel is supposed to be lurking somewhere behind the lines in section 1233 of HR 3200. Even though Sarah recently went citation-crazy on Facebook, she has yet to identify the offending lines in 1233 that will kill off ol’ Granny and poor little Trig.
But wasn’t it the senate version that had its end-of-life provision axed? Isn’t that a different version than HR 3200? Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

Maybe Specter and Grassley could slug it out with Nerf Bats. Watching two useless, old geezers slap each other around would be great entertainment.

Grassley takes the positon that he did not use the term “death panels”. But did he speak up like the Republican Senator for Alaska did to denounce the terms? No. Did he speak up to denounce Rush Limbaugh’s comparison of Obama’s plan to Nazism. No. Grassley is like many of the politicians in the Republican party. Gutless and driven by the extreme wings of their party. Seems to me that those who should know better should set the example. Grassley fails here otherwise he would not state that the provision is “subject to mis-interpretation”…Democrats like Specter are not much better but I will leave thrashing of him and his new found party to those who enjoy it more….Republicans..
Posted by: indy_voter | Aug 14, 2009 4:31:58 PM
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Re you serious? Does Obama stand up and denounce all of the mindless and obvious ignorant drool comming from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? What about the BS racial remarks by another democrat who advocated that tax payers should pay for abortions because there are a lot of them in DC and a lot of black people live there.
I mean seriously? If everyone had to stand up and denounce everythng someone said because it offended or was incorrect, we would get nothing done.
I suppose good ol Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews with their TINGLY legs are soooo awesome. How are their ratings doing right now anyway? Somewhere in the pipes after being flushed down the toilet?

“In a free society, if people absolutely insist on not being covered, that’s ultimately going to be their choice.” – Arlen Spector
Unaware of the mandate contained in Section 401 of the HC bill that he supports – Spector opens mouth, inserts foot. He should have immediately called the HC hotline and then flagged himself as saying something fishy. The bill does impose individual mandates and assigns penalties for non-compliance.
But the old geezers out there trying. I’ll give him that. At least he’s not off hiding somewhere (even those he’s admittedly not getting an OT for his efforts).

Nerf bat slug fest…..LOL…..I would pay to see Michelle Bachman and Pelosi duel it out!
Posted by: KMDay | Aug 14, 2009 5:32:29 PM
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That’s pretty funny, no matter who you put your money on. LOL.

There is ONE thing that Obama is NOT lying about with his Health Care Plan..there are no “Death Panels”.
We DON’T call them “Death Panels”…but what do you think a Denial of Care Claim is? DUH!! Just as Obama said…their will be a committee to determine “effective treatment”… what do you think the term “effective treatment” means in insurance language?
So If you are 75 years old with cancer…should we give you chemo or radiation? What if there is only a 70% chance that you will survive…is this treatment “effective”? What if the odds are 50%? Where is the “cut off” that the treatment is NOT effective?
What if you are in a coma…how long will the govt. public option care for you?? one year? two? When is it NOT effective to care for you? If you are 89 years old…should the govt. pay for a new knee for you? Would that be effective?
Do you really think that the govt. public option (which we WILL be forced into…according to the CBO and ALL NONPARTISAN Research groups!) is going to spend an UNLIMITED amount of money on a person? Keep dreaming.
So we don’t call them “death panels”…we just call them “Effective Treatment Committees”!

Lawrence O’Donnell interviewed Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) in a devastating segment on “Hardball” on Friday, implying that the conservative congressman was a hypocrite for opposing a public option yet refusing to cut government-run health-care programs such as Medicare and Social Security.
O’Donnell repeatedly pushed the conservative Congressman to give a straight answer about what federal entitlements he would cut. Culberson refused to give a response for several minutes before finally admitting that he would have voted for Social Security and Medicare despite the fact that they are government-run health-care systems.
O’Donnell kept pressing Culberson to explain how he can defend Medicare and Social Security since they’re government-run health care programs, otherwise known as “socialism.”
Culberson, who calls himself a “Jeffersonian Republican,” said he supports Medicare and Social Security but denied that they’re socialistic.
That prompted O’Donnell to ask Culberson: “If Medicare is not socialism, why don’t we just delete the over-65 part of Medicare and make it available to everyone? What’s your argument against that?”
Again, Culberson refused to give a straight answer and complained about O’Donnell’s persistence.
O’Donnell replied: “I don’t want you to spin your time away here.”
Culberson later admitted that he would have voted for Social Security in 1935 and “probably” would have voted for Medicare in 1965.
An exasperated O’Donnell asked the Congressman: “You know that Medicare is a completely government-run health care system and yet you’re saying you would have voted for it.”
Culberson’s response: “Yes”
By the end, O’Donnell accused Culberson of hypocrisy and more:
“You lie to America about the evils of government-run health care because you people, not one of you liars about government health care is willing to repeal Medicare, to stand up and be consistent… ‘I hate government health care so I want to repeal Medicare’… That is a lie that you perpetrate every day.”

KMDay,
Yes, I am serious….when folks are spreading outright lies or hate they must be rebutted. Otherwise, they are tacitly approving. A leader takes a stand and doesn’t hide. That goes for those on the left and those on the right. Grassley is looking to appease those in his party who believe in the lies and hatred by saying nothing.

I think death panels can be attributed to Zeke Emanuel who had this to say just this January 2009..people between the ages of 15 and 40 should be the ones getting the best care because they will contribute more to society than the sick people under 15 and older than 40..his words…In other words, if you have a sick child with cancer under 15 and a senior over 40 with breast cancer or other cancers you are NOT a viable citizen and therefore your amount of care will be diminshed!! Zeke Emanuel is another Czar who will be determining your health care needs! Anyone listening or reading Emanuels words can and will assume that this is what is to come!

“I think death panels can be attributed to Zeke Emanuel …”
Nope. The evil “death panel” was conceived in Sarah Palin’s mind and delivered into this world on August 17, 2009 at 1:26pm on her Facebook page.