Wee-Wee’d Up: Health care debate slips further from White House control
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Fired up, meet wee-wee’d up.
For those seeking definitions, maybe it has something to do with the way that the more President Obama talks about health care reform, the fewer people say they want his version of health care reform.
Or that people think they know far more about the measures being debated than they actually do (evident since they “know” so much that’s flat-out wrong.)
Or that, for all the noise on both sides, the president’s supporters still don’t have the few key details that would give them something to push back with.
Or just that the month set aside to sell health care reform is drifting by — and soon it’s vacation time for the president.
A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows the slide: “Fewer than half of Americans, 45 percent, support reform as it’s been explained to date, while 50 percent are opposed – with many more ‘strongly’ opposed than strongly in favor, 40 percent vs. 27 percent. Support’s at just 36 percent among independents, the crucial political center,” per ABC polling director Gary Langer.
“Obama’s approval rating for handling health care has fallen steadily from 57 percent in April to 46 percent today, led by a steep a 17-point slide among independents. And expectations he can successfully accomplish reform have dropped further – from 68 percent shortly before he took office to 49 percent now.”
The Post’s Dan Balz and Jon Cohen: “In the survey, 52 percent of Americans said they favor the government’s creation of a new health insurance plan to compete with private insurers, while 46 percent are opposed. That is a big shift from late June, when 62 percent backed the notion and 33 percent opposed it.”
“The drop in support for the public option has been particularly steep among political independents, the closely watched group so critical to the Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006 and Obama’s victory last year. Two months ago, independents supported the public option by a 2 to 1 ratio. Now, 50 percent are in favor, and 47 percent are opposed.”
As for the left: “There’s a growing sense among progressives that they have, as my colleague Frank Rich suggests, been punked,” Paul Krugman writes in his New York Times column. “It’s hard to avoid the sense that Mr. Obama has wasted months trying to appease people who can’t be appeased, and who take every concession as a sign that he can be rolled.”
“So progressives are now in revolt. Mr. Obama took their trust for granted, and in the process lost it. And now he needs to win it back,” Krugman writes.
Those sentiments overshadow some tastes of encouraging news for Democrats. The DNC out-fundraised the RNC by $3 million last month. The temperature at the town halls is down a notch.
Organizing for America got a jump start with the president’s appearance Thursday — more than 270,000 Webcast viewers and counting, with grassroots action to follow, according to a Democratic Party official.
Yet — the president still isn’t offering up much to push back against the misinformation and falsehoods that still abound. The White House strategy remains centered on leaving options open. (“Yes We Can . . . Stay at the Negotiating Table.”)
The start of something more aggressive: “While continuing to argue he wants a bipartisan bill, President Obama today for first time publicly blamed Congressional Republican leaders for seeing health care reform in only political terms. And for the first time he acknowledged Democrats might go it alone,” ABC’s Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report.
“Let’s go get them!” the president told his troops at the DNC.
“Mr. Obama tacked to the left as Democratic allies inched toward trying to pass a health-care bill on their own,” Jonathan Weisman and Naftali Bendavid write in The Wall Street Journal.
Can partisan war make it work? “There’s also a limit to how effective this strategy can be,” ABC’s George Stephanopoulos reported on “Good Morning America” Friday. “Independents liked Obama because they thought he was going to break this partisan gridlock — not intensify it.”
Now what? “Obama’s radio experience, as well as a later Internet session with supporters from the presidential campaign, demonstrated just how big the communications challenge can be on an issue as complex and controversial as healthcare,” the Chicago Tribune’s Christi Parsons and Mark Silva report. “And even as the president focused on dealing with what he said were misunderstandings, half-truths and outright falsehoods about his strategy for overhauling healthcare, he occasionally ventured into the vast gray area between fact and fiction.”
A glimpse of what might have been . . . President Obama meets with former Sen. Tom Daschle at 11 am ET in the Oval Office, before heading off to Camp David — and then, on Sunday, Martha’s Vineyard.
A glimpse of what might yet be . . . “The situation this summer has slipped completely out of control for President Obama and Congressional Democrats,” Charlie Cook writes. “Today, The Cook Political Report’s Congressional election model, based on individual races, is pointing toward a net Democratic loss of between six and 12 seats, but our sense, factoring in macro-political dynamics is that this is far too low.”
What got us here: “Obama has delivered mixed messages that have bogged down the debate and sapped momentum from his top domestic priority,” Michael Kranish writes in The Boston Globe. “Now, as he struggles with the messy business of governing, some are hoping for a return of Obama’s campaign-style focus.”
“This year, Harry and Louise are the real voters, showing up to town meetings and venting their fears that they’ll lose their private plans and be dumped into a new Medicare-style government plan. They’re fearful, too, that the government will have a hand in their end-of-life decisions,” Fortune’s Nina Easton writes.
“There’s nothing agreeable about watching a determined attempt to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory,” Eugene Robinson writes in his Washington Post column. “There’s not enough passion on the Democratic side, not enough heat. There’s some radiating from the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives, too little emana ting from the Democratic majority in the Senate, and not nearly enough coming from President Obama.”
“He is semi-advocating two different and, in a sense, contradictory approaches at the same time, and they are in the process of undercutting each other politically at the moment,” Newsweek’s Howard Fineman writes. “Having it both ways is in the American grain, too, I admit. But it’s not selling. Until the president chooses one or the other approach, he won’t end up with either.”
“Bearing the brunt of some of the criticism is Obama himself – once viewed as a sure-fire closer, now facing grumbling on the left for letting critical months slip by without a constant, coherent and consistent argument. Think ‘change’ and ‘hope’ from the campaign, catchwords that Obama practically trademarked,” Carrie Budoff Brown reports for Politico. “In this fight, his key messages have shifted, from fixing health care to fix the economy, to ‘stability and security’ for people who already have insurance.”
Dana Perino, former Bush White House press secretary, pens some words for the president to deliver: “What we have seen this summer is not change — it is business as usual. And it’s not getting us anywhere,” she writes for Obama. “If it’s true that we all believe we need reform to improve the health care system — and despite partisan attacks from both sides, I believe that most people do want to achieve changes that will help provide coverage for more people and reduce costs — then I am willing to ask Congress to tear up the current bill and to work with me to rewrite one that will accomplish our goals.”
The options from here, per the AP’s Chuck Babington: “Some are blunt. Some are complex and technical. All are problematic.”
“President Barack Obama and leaders on Capitol Hill will face a tough tactical choice among lesser options. But while the options may have shrunk in size, the consequences actually have grown,” Gerald Seib writes in his Wall Street Journal column.
The statement from Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., after a Thursday night conference call with Senate negotiators: “As we travel our states, our work on health care reform continues. Tonight was a productive conversation — we discussed our progress and remain committed to continuing our path toward a bipartisan health care reform bill. Our discussion included an increased emphasis on affordability and reducing costs, and our efforts moving forward will reflect that focus. We have come a long way, will continue our work throughout August and plan to meet again before the Senate returns in September.”
The Washington Post’s Lori Montgomery and Anne Kornblut: “Senate health-care negotiators agreed late Thursday to ignore the increasingly strident rhetoric from Republican and Democratic leaders and to keep working toward a bill that can win broad support from the rank-and-file in both parties.”
Air wars: Conservatives for Patients Rights is meeting the Obamas at the beach in Martha’s Vineyard, with a new ad titled, “Surf’s Up.”
“The beach is nice this time of year. But while President Obama vacations, concerns mount about his health care plan,” the group’s new ad, to air in Boston markets (and during the Red Sox-White Sox series next week at Fenway Park) says, with video that juxtaposes sand and raucous town halls.
From the other side — Americans United for Change is launching a new ad — with a five-figure buy — in DC and on national cable. The ad opens with pictures of Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. “Unfortunately, there are REAL death panels in America,” the ad says (and yes, they’re talking about health insurance companies).
Another former DNC chairman, ready to jump in the fight? “Terry McAuliffe thinks it is time to ‘insist’ on the public option. We couldn’t agree more. Terry’s agreed to host a fundraiser with Virginia and national bloggers who are insisting on a public option for the first Virginia Congressman who will take our pledge!” Ben Tribbett blogs at NotLarrySabato.com.
Not so fast, in Mass.: “A personal plea from Senator Edward M. Kennedy to grant the governor power to appoint an interim successor in the Senate drew little public support from Massachusetts lawmakers yesterday, with the state’s Democratic leaders publicly silent on the proposal and most Republicans attacking it as a partisan power grab,” Frank Phillips and Matt Viser report in The Boston Globe.
Restart in Virginia: “Sen. Creigh Deeds, the Democratic nominee for governor, will deliver a major campaign at 11 A.M. Friday to supporters and students at George Mason University in Fairfax. . . . After the speech, the Deeds campaign will release its first television advertisement, which will begin airing in markets across the state tomorrow evening.”
Figuring out why Tom Ridge isn’t running for Senate: “The darkest possibilities of the politics of terrorism became obvious in the summer and fall of 2002 as the midterm elections approached,” Ridge writes in his new book, per the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s James O’Toole. “Members of my own party carried out a campaign of shameless character assassination.”
“Top advisers to George W. Bush pressed for a politically-motivated terror alert a few days before the 2004 election, ex-Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge charges in a new book,” James Gordon Meek reports in the New York Daily News. “Exhaustive research by the Daily News in 2004 found that Ashcroft’s Justice Department rolled out terrorism announcements frequently to give Bush a boost in the polls against Democrat John Kerry.”l
What happens to a junked clunker? The Washington Post’s Mike Rosenwald finds out: “Dead clunkers embark on an odyssey through family businesses nearly as old as the car industry. Auctioneers in Elkridge in Howard County shout ‘$25, $25, $25, do I hear $50?’ to salvage buyers who then take their winnings to junkyards to be picked over for parts. Junkyards eventually sell what’s left of the clunkers to processors, who use mammoth shredders to chew the cars into tiny pieces of scrap metal that are later recycled into steel. Almost nothing is wasted.”
The Kicker:
“We don’t do politics in the Department of Homeland Secu rity.” — Then-Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, in August 2004, when the nation went to “Code Orange” just after that summer’s Democratic National Convention.
“There’s something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee-wee’d up.” — President Obama, adding to the political lexicon.
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Posted by: Woody | August 21, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am
The irony is, conservatives are getting their time in the protesters’ sun, confronting the President on his vacation, and the cause they are defeating: health care reform, insurance industry reform, curtailing costs and fraud reform.
And of course, the 50% of Americans they have convinced with lies and misinformation to not support reform – are the ones at risk of losing their health insurance, going bankrupt paying bills not covered by insurance, etc. Ahhh, the irony.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | August 21, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
The WH never did control the debate. That is the problem he wants it but wants to remain out of the debate. Now he is surprised that it got out of hand. He wont push back at the GOP so he pushes back at his base instead. We are supposed to like it.
No one wins in this, we are all going to lose. There will be a bill, but it will be so wrong, thatr the GOP and the Conservatives and the Liberals will not like it. Just like the GOP wants it. I can’t believe that Obama is falling for the trap.
This is why the polls are so bad, even the liberals do not want this bill.
Posted by: Thinking | August 21, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
know where all that money to keep the profit of the ill in the hands of corporate free-market?
you.
it may be in the form of less benefits, more cost for your medicines-that is, of course if you still have a job. it could even be your home. your car. your savings.
go ahead, keep signing over your health & belongings to corporate health companies.
but like you base conservatives talk, you’d rather take a reaming from private free-market mega wealthy than have the government ensure the safety, fairness & accessibility of all.
Posted by: gus amaral | August 21, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
To all the Republicans screaming about Healthcare reform and No goverment
TURN IN YOUR MEDICARE CARDS! DROP OUT
IF YOU LOSE YOUR JOB AND LOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT APPLY FOR MEDICAID
DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: ANGIE IN PA | August 21, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Many of O’s dopey supporters backed him for a variety of reasons like skin color, not being Hillary, didn’t vote for the Iraq war, comes across young, gives them hope and inspiration, etc…rather than thinking about the issues and what he could really get done with the amount of experience he had. Worse, those dopey supporters aren’t helping him at all. To them the finish line was in Nov, it’s now obvious they aren’t behind him for the long haul. O and his supporters are weak and just let some loud mouth Republicans run all over them and take control of the message. It’s so pathetic.
Posted by: Lorn | August 21, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
President Obama has tried and tried With the Republicans for Bi-Partianship look at the Stimulus. The Republicans watered it down most was tax cuts. The only answers Republicans have is NO, NO, NO, NO, NO ideas of their own just NO! And constantly Fear Mongering and Bashing him name one thing Republicans have Compromised on since Hes been Elected other then their Favorite thing the Wars!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | August 21, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
did anyone watch betsy “death panel” mccoy on jon stewart? – she was totally un prepared -stewart challenged her on every point. She could not offer a rational response. typical republican!
Posted by: cjr | August 21, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
cjr
Jon Stewart is the Eward R. Murrow of this generation. I learn more about the issues watching him than I do reading the News sites all day.
Point in fact: its fascinating to compare the blog healines of The Note vs MSNBC’s First Read. MSNBC headlines: Obama hits Stride in Interview, at DNC; DNC Out Raises RNC In July; Public Option Isn’t the End (they reported that Obama says the bottom line is controlling costs, and the public option is just one strategy to do that.)
The Note writes: “Wee-Wee’d Up: Health care debate slips further from White House control”, reports that the RNC has more money on hand than the DNC, reports that Democrats are trying to change the law to retain 60 votes should Kennedy die before the health care vote comes up.
Who do you trust? I trust Jon Stewart.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | August 21, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
“TURN IN YOUR MEDICARE CARDS!”
Don’t be an arse and stop getting your talking points from those loons at Daily Kos.
Guess what honey, Medicare is BROKE and most of the intelligent people you are lambasting did NOT get to choose to have the government take money from them every week to pay for this program. It was taken from them and squandered by government in a bureaucracy nightmare. Many doctors simply will not take anymore Medicare patients because of the huge cost involved in getting even a small reimbursement from the program and only an idiot doesn’t know that medicare has been rationing procedures for years?
Government showed it was simply UNABLE to manage this program for a small segment of the population and you loons want to put these same people in charge of ALL HEALTHCARE. Great idea. Do people making his claim know it makes them sound like a complete idiot?
“A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, a debt which he proposes to pay off with other people’s money.”
Posted by: LogicalSC | August 21, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Amy In Maine
I agree if you want the Truth Jon Stewart is the One!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | August 21, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
This article is baseless. We are more determined than ever for public health care. This nation has overwhelmingly voted for change. Over the past 4 years the republicans have lost 13 senate seats and 52 house seats. Our first Black President was voted into office with the middle name of Hussein with his birth certificate in question by some and still took more than 53% of the popular vote. I would say that’s proof that republican ideology has been rejected. If people wanted republican policies they would have voted that way. They did not. They have overwhelmingly voted for change. The democrats would do better to please the people that put them in office. Quit trying to be centrist.
Posted by: rightbehind | August 21, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am
LOGICAL SC
Spoken like a typical Republican. Public Option is not a Complete Goverment take over, thats where People are confused, It gives people a choice it will not run out Private Insurance, so stop with Fox News talking points. same thing with the Post Office vs UPS You have a CHOICE, The way you want to send your mail no one forces you. Mayby the Public Option might not be as great As Private Insurance but depending on your Circumstances it might suit your needs. right now we have no choice we take what our Employers give us regardless of the Cost and if Your Employer decides to drop the Coverage because of cost then what do you do?
Posted by: Angie in Pa | August 21, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
If it was botched it was because the democrats sit on their hands playing centrist trying to please the republicans. One thing for sure is if they don’t produce a vote for public health care they are done. Give us the vote and we will deal with those that vote against it coming the 2010 elections. Over the past 4 years the republicans have lost 13 senate seats and 52 house seats. The republicans have 18 more senate seats on the ballot this round as compared to the democrats 15. Republican ideology has been rejected. If people wanted republican policies they would have voted that way. They did not. They have overwhelmingly voted for change.
Posted by: rightbehind | August 21, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am
I would rather a good strong public health care bill fail than have a bad bill pass. Vote strong public health care straight up or down and we will deal with the results coming the 2010 elections.
Posted by: rightbehind | August 21, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am
While the Democrats and their Supporters had to sit back for 8 years and let Bush and Republicans Run this country into the Ground and had to deal with it. The Democrats won and regained the Power now do what you were Elected to do stop letting the Republicans and their supporters bully and Fear Monger!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | August 21, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am
I think ‘the great Obama snow job’ has finally come to the surface. Sweet talk during the campaign and get elected. Once elected, go into the shotgun attack. Take on the big guys, throw some money at the little people, and then go for the throat of the nation.
Posted by: James L. | August 21, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I am a conservative and proud of it.
I pray for our presidents safety everyday and that those in government will make the right decisions. I pray that we will be able to turn this economy around. If we have no jobs there will be no taxes. I am 48. I have payed into S.S. since I was 16 and I pray that when I reach retirement age, S.S. is available. I pray that I stay in good health and won’t have to rely on any type of health care program. I pray for this nation that we return back to our roots of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I pray that we would be a moraly sound nation. I pray for the unborn and the elderly. I pray that some would allow there hearts to once again lead them in the decision they make. I pray that we all can work hard and help others and as our President Kennedy said, ” ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY ” I pray not for a hand out but a hand up. I pray that America can remain a Self Sustaining Nation and help other nations to be the same. This way they would enjoy the freedom of being the giver also and not just the receiver.
For it is more blessed to give. I pray that we will be allowd to make this decision to give on our own and not have it taken by those in government. Prayer can change things and in this is my hope of “CHANGE”.
Posted by: Bob | August 21, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
As with the veterans who frequently get poor care and misdiagnosis, once you are treated medically by government folks, you cannot sue the government. Talk about stacking the deck. The government screws up all the time, they are arrogant and could care less, but they were smart enough years ago to pass laws that prohibit the people from suing them.
Posted by: James L. | August 21, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
For a President, who claimed he would have total “transparency” in his administration, it is obvious, that his idealism was either on steroids, or it was always rhetoric, in the first place.
His inability to present his plan, in a clear and transparent manner, is precisely why many are opposed, but the bottom line is…..the public knows only too well, deep down, that we can’t afford to pay for this plan, and that is precisely why they will not support it. It is simply too costly.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | August 21, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
What happened to the American spirit that almost half of Americans whine to the government for their every need.
With less government meddling maybe the private sector could be competitive in healthcare insurance.
A socialist state is not the answer!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | August 21, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
How to choose a health care provider:
Pick a company with 12.3 trillion in outstanding debt with say a current year deficit of 1.58 trillion (after being trimmed).
Then find at least seven indicators of past and present performance, such as:
1. Fannie Mae– it’s broke
2. Freddie Mac– it’s broke
3. Post Office– it’s broke
4. AmTrak– it’s broke
5. Medicaid– it’s going broke
6. Medicare– it’s going broke
7. Social Security– it’s going broke
Lastly, just keep telling yourself, “we can do it!” and keep it revenue neutral. Then sit back and wait on your book of ration coupons.
Posted by: Ed Taylor | August 21, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
James L. wrote: “As with the veterans who frequently get poor care and misdiagnosis, once you are treated medically by government folks, you cannot sue the government.”
The current health bills do NOT create any government-employed doctors. The doctors will still be private, just as you get with Medicare.
My WW2-disabled father was treated very well over the years by Veterans Admin. Hospitals and doctors, so bad treatment doesn’t happen everywhere.
But the real problem with the V.A. is that there are the same number of doctors in the USA now as 25 years ago – many trained in 3rd world countries. The average insured person waits two weeks to see a PCP and sometimes months (I did!) to get something like a rotator cuff or Achilles tendon operated on – if the insurance company doesn’t find a way to deny coverage.
So how can the V.A. get a good share of good doctors?
Posted by: The_Mick | August 21, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
I’m starting to like Obama, he has done more to rebuild the Republican party than any TV Ad or Campaign could ever hope for.
Posted by: Julie | August 21, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
@Julie, LOL Very true.
Posted by: ajax659 | August 21, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Amy in Maine…read the bill. There is a section of the bill that talks about how after health care is taken over by the Democrats in Congress there is a 5 year grace period. After that 5 year grace period if there are any changes made in your insurance then it must be Gov approved. If you read it does talk about ANY changes in your coverage. Start one page 16 and read from there.
So Amy if we’re going to talk about lies let’s talk about the ones that Obama is telling.
Posted by: mikemcdon321 | August 21, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
by: ANGIE IN PA | Aug 21, 2009 9:50:07 AM; Angie says To all the Republicans screaming about Healthcare reform and No goverment. IF YOU LOSE YOUR JOB AND LOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT APPLY FOR MEDICAID
TURN IN YOUR MEDICARE CARDS! DROP OUT
DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!
________________________________________
As a thinking Democrat with business experience I did and could not be happier with my current plan considering the alternative.
Tina
Posted by: Tina Ferrer | August 21, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
To Thinking: That’s the bad part. The Republicans are being bullies, and unfortunately, Obama is bowing to their demands. I know he wanted to be bi-partisan, but the GOP is not interested in bi-partisanship. They’re only interested in continuing to force their backwards, corrupt, and ultimately destructive agenda on America, just like they did when their emperor Bush was in power. Obama needs to get a backbone, stand up, and tell them “NO!”
Posted by: Veronica | August 21, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Obama and his administration are the
very paragon of transparency. I can
see right through them, and the vision
is scary. Be afraid; be very afraid.
Posted by: Trajan | August 21, 2009, 11:57 am 11:57 am
My question is, if this is such a good plan then why does nobody in Congress want to sign up for it? Why is it good enough for us but not for them?
Posted by: mikemcdon321 | August 21, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Stop blaming the GOP for the failure of Obamacare. Democrats control both houses of Congress. All they have to do is vote, and they can pass it.
They won’t because they don’t want to suffer a bloodbath at the polls in 2010.
Posted by: Janet | August 21, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
“The irony is, conservatives are getting their time in the protesters’ sun, confronting the President on his vacation, and the cause they are defeating: health care reform, insurance industry reform, curtailing costs and fraud reform.”
This quote is complte BS!!
Republicans want health care reform, not socialism. Republians want health insurance reform, not government mandated insurance and a Government monopoly. Republicans want cost to be reduced through competition not the Jimmy Carter gas lines of price control. Republicans want fraud reform but that the part the Democrats Love.
Fraud is caused by an incompetent Government Bureaucracy. Republicans are the party of life. They want quality healthcare not rationing.
Posted by: Kara | August 21, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
“confronting the President on his vacation”
And who was the whining Mother that took up stake and brought the entire media circus with her right out beside Bushes Ranch in Texas?
What did Mr. Bush say when asked? “That is what I love about America, everyone has a right to voice their opinion” or something like that.
I did not vote for Bush second term, I have not voted Rep. or Dem. since, but what you say is crap, he is the President, he better get used to it.
Posted by: ajax659 | August 21, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
obama pelosi and reid have all been busted for trying to push legislation before the public can think. your done,2010 is going to a rude awakening.CAP AND TAX while china and india kick our butts. stimulas bill which is a fraud and dead on arrival health care. whats next? illegal immigration? the over educatated think they are so smart and they know whats good for us but yet they fail to connect with the average joe that we all are. who would want to live in a country modeled after san francisco? i wouldnt spend a dime in that city…ditto for marin county
Posted by: catman | August 21, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
amy in maine…you still dont get it…the dems have a super majority period. they can pass it. they dont need repubs. you folks misread the tea leaves….obama, a talented articulate speaker beat a dying party only 53 to 47. any democrat short of dennis kucinich would have won the presidency because of the bush hangover. next time we will get it right.EXPERIENCE DOES MATTER.
Posted by: catman | August 21, 2009, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
It should be obvious—-People do not trust Obama. To many lies, and even the far left libs are starting to catch on.
Posted by: PotatoeGater22 | August 21, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
cjr – Betsy “McCoy” – spelled McCaughey – is a Democrat.
I’ll never understand what gives liberals such blind faith in government. Everything they’ve run is a disaster – Medicare, Medicaid, and the Post Office are broke, medical care at VA hospitals is terrible (BO has restored the VA “Death Book” by the way) they can’t deliver disaster services after a hurricane (Walmart can) and they can’t even reimburse car dealers for their “clunkers” as advertised.
And you think our incompetent government can run a program as massive as national health care for everybody?
Don’t tell me it won’t cover everybody, that people can “keep their health care plan and doctor” if they wish. H.R. 3200 will eventually destroy all private health care policies – that’s clearly the goal.
Another thing, since Medicare and Medicaid don’t pay doctors and hospitals enough to stay in business, they depend on the payments from commercial policies. After these companies are gone, and everybody’s on something like Medicare, there won’t be anything making up the difference.
So then what?
Posted by: SweetAlmondVerbena | August 21, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
can anyone who supports the “bill” tell us what is actually in it? we keep being told that what right wing kooks say is in the bill actually isn’t in it, but i’ve yet to be told what is actually in it. i dare say it’s because the supporters (even those in the administration) don’t really know what’s in it. for all the blather about the nuts at the town halls (and there were plenty to be sure), obama really has come out looking pretty shabby in all this. strip away his popularity and personality, and it’s become completely obvious that he was asking congress to ram through legislation for the simple purpose of getting his “signature” priority passed, regardless of what it said. and the reason was likely that he knew that the actual implementation of the law would fall into the hands of administrative agencies with the authority to promulgate rules by which the agencies would administer law. in essence, he was attempting to push a piece or regulatory legislation that would have meat put on the bones later…not by legislators, but rather, by agency bureaucrats. sloppy and scary governing.
Posted by: davidfrat21 | August 21, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Thanks for stainding for truth. The News Max Add was untruthful. May Honest People repel dishonest, twisters of the truth.
Posted by: Roy Lucas | August 21, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
for all those who can only see this as republican v. democrat, you’re blinded to the reality that there is a large number of independents (like me) who opposed the plan for two primary reasons. #1 no one can clearly articulate the plan #2 we have no faith in government run by either party to do anything in a cost effective and efficient manner. it’s never happened before.
Posted by: davidfrat21 | August 21, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
mikemcdon321
Keep those lies coming.
The 5 year grace period refers to the amount of time an employer has to provide its employees with health insurance that meets the minimal standards set forth in the bill. If the don’t meet that requirement, the employer pays a fine. THat’s companies with a payroll over $500,00, by the way NOT small businesses, which are exempt.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | August 21, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
That’s companies with a payroll over $500,000, by the way NOT small businesses, which are exempt.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | August 21, 2009, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
amy in maine…500,000 payroll is small business. also how many docs in the AMA and what pct do they represent? last i heard it was 29%. thats like saying AARP suppoerts the plan. please just go it alone and leave the taxpayers alone. nobody wants this or any other govt intervention. WHERE ARE ALL THEM JOBS? THATS WHAT I CARE ABOUT.
Posted by: catman | August 21, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Catman
No you Republicans want to keep being Played and Ripped off by the Health insurance Industry, why? Because your Party is in the Pockets of Big Business your Party is not for you. but For the Lobbyist the One who has the Most money sways the Republicans!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | August 21, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
‘You want the truth, tune to Jon Stewart?’ Oy..
The guy’s so honest he doesn’t use his real name but something more ‘t.v. friendly.’
The guy’s a joke, hence being on Comedy Central. For those of you who truly believe the aforementioned comment, thanks for the banana republic you’ve put in the WH to boot.
Posted by: Paul | August 21, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
For Rick Klein:
The bias in your blog is evident, but did you ever stop to think that maybe Obama can’t get the message out to people because the message is something they don’t want to hear?
This man was the great orator and eloquent unifier, and he is on national TV weekly and can’t sell Obamacare?
Obama knows this bill will not resonate with the people, why else was he trying to ram it through before the recess..?
You’re interesting….
Posted by: Jon | August 22, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
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Can someone explain to me, if 10-20 percent of the population have no healthcare coverage and need it, why is Obama super-re-engineering 100% of the entire United States healthcare industry?
This is like Obama knocking down the entire Whitehouse and rebuilding it because Michelle want to remodel a room.
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Posted by: N Waff | August 22, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
IS IT PRESIDENTIAL TO SAY WEE WEE’D UP ABOUT HEALTHCARE?
Making healthcare a scatological exercise into potty-mouthiness is the only benefit Obama’s “plan” has….
YES, WEE WEE CAN!
Posted by: Memi | August 25, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm