White House Makes ‘Viral E-Mail’ of Its Own

Americans now know that the real misinformation is being spread by the White House. Such statements as “AARP HAS ENDORSED THE BILL IN ITS CURRENT FORM” COMING FROM THE MOUTH OF OUR PRESIDENT…IS A BLATENT LIE. I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE WHITEHOUSE HAVING TO SET UP A PROPAGANDA SITE BEFORE. THEY ARE IN REAL TROUBLE AND THE PEOPLE KNOW IT! LISTEN TO WHAT AMERICANS REALLY WANT…AND ITS NOT MORE GOVERNMENT FIASCO.

And if you open it, it puts in a virus that searches your computer for any “fishy” trigger-words and files.
I am very glad that the “subject line” has been revealed. So I know to dump anything that my Believer friends are suckered into forwarding.

If by viral, Broken Axel means “pestilent and infectious,” then I might accept it.
So far, Americans are asking things like, “What about this ____ on page ___ of the bill?” They actually raise things in the bill, with page numbers!
Responses from the Misadministration? “That’s a lie.”
Please. We can read, dipsticks.

I wish Michell Obama would be more active in all this.
Where is Michelle? – I want to hear her voice on ObamaCare and her comments on those that oppose it.

The White House has every right to use whatever means necessary to get the truth about health insurance reform to the American people. No problem with this…

M.Smith, again a matter of viewpoint. I viewed the Patriot Act and the Iraq War Resolution to be the most dangerous bills introduced in the current string of government and consider Health Care Reform a right of the people and a necessity for the country. All a matter of perspective.

It’s more than time that the White House took steps to stop the fear-mongering regarding a nationalized health care system. My 87 year old mum who lives in England, had a fall three years ago and spent 5 weeks in hospital receiving very good care. Even before she was discharged the NHS had done an assessment of her home and install a lift in her bathtub, rails on her bed and more. A physical therapist went to her home twice a week for a year to help her. Now the District Health Nurse visits three times a week and last Monday decided that my mother needed more of a hospital type bed, one that tilts, raises and lowers and even swivels – it was delived today Friday.
A National Health system is needed not just for individuals but for employers who offer health care and help pay for it. By the way – my 84 year old father died from colon cancer but was he denied treatment due to his age – NO.

This administration is on a spending spree with no end in sight. And how do you people think we got here……that’s right, by buying more than we could afford.

Coracii, so you want something for nothing? Health insurance is not a right. But, lets face it, the reason for the “Crisis” push on all of the recent legislation is to pay for the votes and buy some more. Starting with the TARP which is more welfare than stimulus, the Cap and Trade and now Health, All designed to take us to a one party system. Guess what, its this Administration thats in a “Crisis” and it only took 7 months. Cant imagine how it will be by Christmas. America will prevail. Stupidity will not. I voted for change to, shame on me.

All we needed to know about Obamacare is that Obama and his family won’t be using it. Neither will any of politicians trying to sell it to us. If it’s not good enough for them, it’s not good enough for us.

Massachusetts has healthcare for all. Just like Obama’s plan, residents are required to have healthcare. But the plan has failed miserably. Insurance costs have skyrocketed over the last 20 years. Lawmakers cannot find the money to pay for services for the state-insured people. Hospitals are suing the state for inadequate payment. Now they are dropping people from the program. Why should we take a plan that failed miserably in Massachusetts and to the entire country? It makes no sense.

Our State Rep had a town hall meeting yesterday and this was no disruption at all. It was held in the lower class area of town. The GOP won’t be caught dead disrupting there or they would probably get what they deserve!

Obama you have infected this country enough, we dont need your viral e-mail.

“The White House has every right to use whatever means necessary to get the truth about health insurance reform to the American people. No problem with this…”
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Nonsense . . . that gaggle wouldn’t know the “truth” if it jumped up and bit them in the backsides. This is just more smoke from their propaganda machine.

I have a cousin who lives in canada and he laughs when I tell him what Obama wants to do to our health care. He has been complaining about the Canadian system for years. If you go to the doctor in Alberta you can expect to spend most of the day waiting to be seen. He says the doctors really dont care because there is no motivation for them to do a good job. And even though it is free he says they pay for it every day with high taxes on everything. He said gas is over $4.00/gl right now.

In NW PA says: “Our State Rep had a town hall meeting yesterday and this was no disruption at all. It was held in the lower class area of town. The GOP won’t be caught dead disrupting there or they would probably get what they deserve!”
I kind of wondered what the environment was for those national black panther party goons who attempted to intimidate voters in November, now I know. By the way, you certainly didn’t hear threats of violence or actual violence until the democrats asked the unions to get involved and face down the anti-Obamacare protesters.

Currently, the ‘insured’ patient pays for the $2. aspirin, etc., and the uninsured receives free treatment. Doctors and hospitals have to earn a living so that’s how it is.
I say, support Obama’s change healthcare plan and give it a try. Wouldn’t it result in lower cost services for ALL instead of the archaic system we now experience? I’d really love an answer to my question.

Hey Jake I think you and your news agency are the ones “misinformed” if you even cared about the real truth you would READ THE BILL. Maybe then you could report on the facts and not just some brainwashed regurgitated liberal talking points.
Rationing of care can be found on pg 29 of HR 3200
Page 58,62 is where acess to your bank account can be found yes thats still in HR 3200
READING pages 1-90 will give you a clear picture of how the govement will eventually get everyone on the public plan.
again its sad that we have to point this out but this could all be avoided if people would READ THE BILL and then use their heads and THINK about how these changes would effect the industry.
Stop being a mindless regurgitator of liberal talking points…

coracci says: “Twenty years of republican leadership accumulated almost 10 trillion dollars in debt and they claim to be the “fiscally responsible”.”
Hmm, this sounds like a fishy statement to me, but don’t worry, I am not going to report you to the White House! Here is the interesting fact you forgot to mention: Congress makes the budgets as they have the “power of the purse.” In most cases when we have a republican in the executive branch we have a democratic legislative branch, and vice versa. When we have one party in both branches there tends to be trouble and that situation is usually rectified the very next election. When the republican presidents you mentioned were holding office, with the exception of a 2 year period with Bush Jr., they had democrats in congress. When Clinton was in office he had a republican congress for most of it which explains why spending was restricted some during part of his presidency. It is very unhealthy for our system of government to have one party holding the executive and legislative branches as the Supreme Court has been unwilling to provide the needed checks and balances.

YES WE SPAM!

President Obama says the Health Care Plan will not cover illegal immigrants. That means,like now, we will still pay for their ER care. The language of the bill still makes ‘us’ responsible for free care for criminals in prison. I don’t mind helping a US-American that has lost his job get medical treatment for him and his family. However, it is a bit much the/my government to run around like Chicken Little and say the sky is falling.

“This is just the latest attempt by the White House to combat opposition to health care reform, some of which is rooted in false information such as the “Obama ‘death panel,’” that former Gov. Sarah Palin wrote about last week, painting a picture of a bureaucratic care-rationing board that would withhold medical treatment from seniors and the disabled.”
Except that now even liberal commentators/journalist are coming around to defend Palin’s death panel metaphor. Why? Because they’ve read the bill, contemplated the implications and realized that Palin just might have a point. Instead, of demonizing and editorializing Jake, why don’t you read the bill and then get back to us.

The House health-care bill is not “silent” on abortion. The Capps amendment, passed by the Energy and Commerce committee, allows the secretary of Health and Human Services to PROVIDE ABORTION COVERAGE THROUGH THE “PUBLIC PLAN”, and requires that people on taxpayer-subsidized insurance plans in the federal exchange HAVE ACCESS TO A PLAN THAT COVERS ELECTIVE ABORTIONS.

If all Americans were like you guys, we would never have any progress at all. We need this; you know we need it; your agenda is always the same, the status quo. The status quo during the past 8 years almost ruined this country.

I don’t want to pay for illegal immagrants health care and I don’t want to pay for the woman who has child after child after child and who sits on her @ss and has no idea who the father is to half her childeren. I don’t want to pay for abortions, you decided to spread your legs and he decided to not wear protection you two decide on how your going to abort that baby with your own funds. And trust me by this bill not directly addressing this issue it essientally means that it has; I know.

Oh, don’t get me started on TRUTH – Obama stood in front of a crowd and touted that the AARP has signed off on his health care bill – CRAP – the AARP came out and denied it 100% – whose lying now? Be wary people, this man is trying to ramrod a HUGE bill that will greatly impact our lives and I’m not sure ANYONE has bothered to read it – the speed at which he is trying to get it passed is terrifying.

First I just received a newsletter from ARRP and THEY DO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT’S HEALTHCARE PLAN. So, so much for that lie! SECOND, yes people forget all of this stems from Bush’s 8 years. Oh right, let’s stop blaming Bush. SORRY BUT HE IS TO BLAME! I’m so tired of all the lies going around…they are scare tactics by Palin, Gingrich and the likes. Have some common sense and listen to what Pres. Obama is saying. Do you really think he wants healthcare that would be worse? He wants to get our country on its feet. Our healthcare is horrible…yes it’s the greatest in the world IF you can afford it! Pres. Obama says these ins. companies must be dealt with and he is right!

Yeah and my Grandmother just showed me her AARP mailout that says that they are against this Health Care Reform 100%, OMG Its as if they are confused and forgetful; I just don’t know who to believe anymore.

It starts with the AM stations. People hear something, and that something doesn’t get fact-checked, and it becomes the reality. To protect the fake reality, the AM talkers urge their listeners not to listen to the “mainstream media,” that way no one can refute the claim made by the AM station.
Over a long period of time you get millions of people out there whose heads are full of garbage facts, talking points, and half-witted understandings of how the country works.
Turn off the radio.
Turn off the radio.
Turn off the radio.
Return to reality.

“Do you really think he wants healthcare that would be worse?”
If not, it’s a peculiar time to cut Medicare by billions, just as the demographic bulge of Baby Boomers come of Medicare age.

Folks, if you insist on being insulting to whichever idiot fringe group that you don’t agree with, at least try to use correct spelling and grammar.
If you want others to respect your opinions, demonstrate that you have some education. If you can’t tell the difference between their, there, and they’re, why would anyone assume that you know squat about health care?

Frank that is Nazi Germany. Please check your spelling.

Let me tell the White House something
The ECONOMY IS STILL AWFUL.
New jobless claims rise unexpectedly to 558K
Stop the Propaganda for SPENDING more money like drunken sailors and START doing something about the economy. WHAT? If I told them the arrogant Obama clan would not listen anyway.

I am so tired of the lies and scare tactics being utilized by the right-wing conservative extremists. We endured eight years of the Bush-Cheney administration, and this nation has been extremely damaged as a result. I am beginning to feel that we will never again heal from that horrible era. Those of us alive today have never seen so much division in this country. What a shame!

They (White House) messed with the credit card companies and now I’m being charged a membership fee an the interest rate doubled while these same companies are laughing at us and making billions!!! Don’t mess with my health care I really can’t afford any more intervention from the White House! This is the most incompetent president I’ve ever seen in my 65 plus years.

Putting aside the more sensationalized aspects of this bill, the death panels, the gathering of private information, the fact that abortions will probably be paid for with taxpayer money, take all of that off the table and you will still be left with the fact that the public option will force millions onto govt. health care, and that this bill will bankrupt the country. That the privileged, govt. employees and union members will be exempt, that they will be free to make their health care choice but middle class America will be stuck with no choice. Obamacare is Un-American.

Congress enjoys the benefits of bargaining within a free market system for their health care, why don’t they let us do the same?
Among the advantages: a choice between 10 health care plans that provide access to a national network of doctors, including numerous HMOs that serve each member’s state. (In comparison, 85% of private companies offering health coverage to their employees only offer one type of plan, usually the least expensive, with an option for individual or family coverage.) They also receive special treatment at Washington’s federal medical facilities and, for a additional monthly fee, they have access to their own pharmacy and doctors, nurses and medical technicians in the medical office conveniently located between the House and Senate chambers. Other advantages in their coverage are: no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and no waiting periods. As soon as you are hired or begin work you’re covered.
What else can we add? How about $20 dollar co-pay on office visits, $10 generic drug prescriptions, and immunizations are free. Also if they do use Walter Reed or The Naval Hospital for treatment, much of that is taxpayer subsidized. The cost? The cost for a family plan is a little over $1000 a month, of course taxpayers pay about $700 of that so their total cost for family coverage is around $300 a month.
The plan is such a nice deal that it’s offered to the estimated 8.5 million federal workers and their families. To the American taxpayer the price tag is around 15 billion yearly. Now it’s easy to understand why Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman don’t want to include themselves in any public plan they cook up for the rest of us. As a matter of fact, the Federal Plan is exempt from any reform.

pir808 wrote: “…that doesn’t know what he is doing, he is a puppet and has an agenda all to his own.”
Actually President Obama knows EXACTLY what he is doing. You even hit on it. His agenda is implementing what he learned from Frank Marshall Davis, loyal students of Saul Alinsky and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright–the principles of Socialism / Marxism / Communism / and Black Liberation Theology.

Oh, don’t get me started on TRUTH – Obama stood in front of a crowd and touted that the AARP has signed off on his health care bill – CRAP – the AARP came out and denied it 100% – whose lying now?
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Even better, AARP legislative policy director David Certner refused to endorse anything on O’Reilly’s show the night before Obama’s gaff. An outright lie & the plant of 11 yr old kid of big time Obama supporter & organizer to throw out an obvious softball question.
Now Gibby coming out and pointing the finger at Fox News.
And these buffoons wonder why they have lost the American People.

This bill is subterfuge masked as reform, this is their only option to bail out Medicare. If this was just about insuring the uninsured they would do it, if this was just about regulating the insurance market they would do it. Ask yourself, if they were really in these private hearings fighting for you, wouldn’t they want them to be shouted from the rooftops to show how much they care. No, the reason they are behind closed doors is because they are desperate to get the money for Medicare.
And the ONLY way to do that is to force people into a govt. plan to get more money. Medicare is like auto insurance for drunks and teen agers, unsustainable, no private company would ever take on such a risk laden group because it would be impossible. This is one big lie that they are even thinking of your best interest.

This is an interesting approach. The right-wing fanatics are deliberately spreading false information in large quantities and the white house is attempting to balance it out. Best of luck with that! The unfortunate truth is that the right-wing fundamentalists are so unbalanced, fanatical and hysterical about everything Obama has his work cut out for him dragging the US into the 21st century. There is a reason the US is lagging far behind in health care and it’s also the ONLY first world country without universal health care. Coincidence? But as with the Bush/war years the Republicans/conservatives can’t help but gouge themselves on public expenditure, first with war contracts being fixed for Republican associates, and now because so many Republican insurance companies are skimming off the top of health care instead of it all going to the health professionals.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | Aug 13, 2009 10:32:16 AM
NOBODY IS AGAINST INSURING THE UNINSURED, what part of that don’t you get? People are against being forced onto a system that they don’t want. People who can afford to do so want a free choice. If this was just about insuring the uninsured they would have NO OPPOSITION. It is not.
If the public option wasn’t included they would have no fight on their hands what so ever.

“The unfortunate truth is that the left-wing fundamentalists are so unbalanced, fanatical and hysterical about everything Bush has his work cut out for him dragging the US into the 21st century.” – modified to show that its a 2 way street.
Both sides have them.

I’m glad to see the Whitehouse finally making an effort to get the debate back about facts. I have been embarrassed talking to overseas relatives recently. They now think Americans are idiots who think (British all his life) Stephen Hawking would be left to die under the (British) NHS national healthcare system, or who honestly think the best way to have health care is to rely on private companies who make hundreds of millions in profit (Unitedhealth made $859 million in profit in the last 3 month quarter; in 2005, its CEO alone received $124.8 million in compensation). The idiots saying things like, “I don’t want government-run health care. I don’t want socialized medicine. And don’t touch my Medicare” are getting plenty of publicity overseas. And they make Americans look like ignorant idiots.
The world is laughing at us folks. Lets try to debate the FACTS rather than making up childish lies about death panels or denying that our system is grossly over priced for (at best) average service.

If the public option wasn’t included they would have no fight on their hands what so ever.
Posted by: Ferrari5858 | Aug 13, 2009 10:43:43 AM
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Ferrari, I thought that was true as well, but the Senate plan likely won’t include one and folks here and elsewhere are still saying they don’t want reform. Not most, but some. I’m hoping you’re right so we can move on. I like the public option but I’m not tied to it at all, and I don’t think all Democrats in the Admin and Congress are either. Fingers crossed that you’re right and we can move on to other portions of the debate that need some airtie.

47% and falling..bye bye Obie

I don’t need to read one word from the proposed health legislation but do have to ask a few words. Are our elected officials going to be using the same plan they want me to use????? If not, then I don’t want it either, PERIOD….

Are we to expect facts that give full perspective about a bill the WH supports? Would you have listened to everything Bush said about a bill he supported? Doubtful.
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I understand your point, KR, but, to be honest, while I may not have bought everything Bush said, the effort would have been appreciated. Seriously. The attempt to clarify– the attempt to give out more information– would have been appreciated. I don’t think that means you shouldn’t look to other sources of information and opinion. But I appreciate the WH’s effort, and I would still appreciate if it McCain had won and he was the one putting the info out there, and trying to clarify, however imperfectly.

-The world is laughing at us folks.-
Can’t have that! If that isn’t the worst argument so far…

And here’s what Obama said to the NY Times:
“THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?
I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.
DAVID LEONHARDT: So how do you — how do we deal with it?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very d ifficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels.
And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance.
It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.”
An independent group determining your expiration date.
Sound very much like a ……….

Axelrod needs to adjust to the fact that the rest of the country is not as stupid as is Chicago.

“that health reform will force Americans out of their current insurance plans or force them to change doctors;”
The problem is that there really won’t be any competition and congress knows it. The government makes the rules but also has a team playing in the game isn’t remotely fair. Also the government, as we see regularly, doesn’t have to operate efficiently and above the debt line, as insurers do. Insurers won’t go into massive debt to compete with the government, but the government can go into massive debt to compete with insurance. Also, the insurance companies cannot pass laws to force you to pay, whereas the government can.
It isn’t competition, its bullying one team off the field.

GREAT!!! Now I’m going to get SPAM from the White House. Yup!! We sure got “change.” Thankfully, I can make a rule in Outlook to forward all mail with the whitehouse.gov domain directly into JUNK MAIL!!!

“GREAT!!! Now I’m going to get SPAM from the White House” – Despite Tapper’s characterization of the email as “viral” you will only receive it if someone you know feels you need to read it and forwarded it to you. Maybe you should take their advice and approach what is in the e-mail with an open mind and open heart.

I’m not a doctor, but I play one in Health Care Town Hall meetings.
Yet another banner moment from a town-hall forum hosted by Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX). Roxana Mayer introduces herself as a doctor in order to support ObamaCare and Jackson-Lee in a fairly hostile crowd. For her efforts, she gets a big hug from the Congresswoman, an image which the Houston Chronicle featured prominently on their website coverage of the event.
But, not only was Mayer NOT A DOCTOR, Roxana Mayer was an OBAMA DELEGATE—and A LEAD ORGANIZER FOR OFA back in March 2008. What’s more, the Houston Chronicle apparently knew this and failed to include it in its glowing coverage of Mayer’s appearance. The reporter, Cindy Horswell, has admitted that she knew Mayer was an Obama delegate and that Mayer didn’t live in Jackson-Lee’s district when she wrote the Chronicle story. After getting exposed, the Chronicle quietly changed the caption on the photo without issuing a correction, removing the reference to Mayer being a doctor.

“Sound very much like a ……….”
Logan’s Run but without the hot babe! Thumbs down!
And again I’ll ask: Where is the lovely Ms. Miller?

The government is in charge of Medicare – not doing such a hot job. Big problem there is the Drs. are pushing the limits. I went to a Dr. for two things. He didn’t know what the problem was – referred me to another Dr. that would only discuss one and I had to make an appt. for the other. Both charged 175 for the appt. What’s with that? They don’t want patients unless they have ins. or medicaid. We need to have a ceiling on the Drs. appt. visit. That and ceilings on the pharmacies also. The drs. charge what Medicare will allow. That sucks. Let’s take care of Medicare – it’s already in place. For get this new deal

The world is laughing at us folks. Lets try to debate the FACTS rather than making up childish lies about death panels or denying that our system is grossly over priced for (at best) average service.
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Why worry, just send Obama back out on another “Apology for the Ugly American” trip.
Grossly overpried for at best average serive….LOL…you dont want to talk about lies out on side of your mouth, then lie outright on the other side….
at best average service….Interesting…
I just went to collegiate summer league basketball game last night. My neighbor’s son is now playing without a brace after ACL surgery last year. His Dad was raving about the great treatment his son got from the day he tore it right through the last day of rehab ealier this year. His insurance covered everything except co-pays for office visits & rehab sessions. The school’s insurance (a secondary insurance in this case) picked up those costs. These people went through most of the pieces of the healthcare system on that journey.
The kid is back playing great and given all the debate over healthcare right now, the parents were telling us they saw no issues with what they went through from the inital MRI, through the surgery, getting back on his feet in the weeks after surgery, rehab, playing summer ball with $1200 brace and now fully recovered and playing like no injury had occured.
as much as you want to portray our current system as broken jhw, many, many people are very satisfied with the care they are getting.
We would all love to pay less for it, wh wouldn’t. I’d love to pay less than 50 cents a gallon for gas again too. Id love to go to a Major league baseball game on an $7.50 box seat ticket.
What I do not want, and what the majority of Americans do not want is to turn this thing upside-down based on a 1000+ page “guideline” and trust that implementers of that “guideline” do not make it worse.
I saw Macskill on TV last night talking about the merging of the various bill and the amount of debate it will take to get that done. I applaud her on her open & honest comments, also she is not one of the liberal lemmings who feel the need to dengrate and marginalize those who disagree with her.
The one thing that struck me about the interview, was the fact that nothing was brought up about the fact that none of that debate she is talking about EVER would have taken place if Obama had gotten his way and passed it before the summer recess.
Again, it is that kind of stuff that has the common folks up in arms. They have had enough of Obama-Emanuel Governing Thru Crisis/Catastrophe Management.

I appreciate this. I am so sick of hearing the lies put out by those who are manipulating the GOP base. My poor mother was scared she was losing medicare.
We desperatly need reform, and the only people who think otherwise have been lied to one too many times.
Like many others who used to trust the GOP, I can’t bear to see the hate and dishonesty they are breeding with the lies meant to frighten. Please keep reporting on the truth, and just the truth.

“After getting exposed, the Chronicle quietly changed the caption on the photo without issuing a correction, removing the reference to Mayer being a doctor.”
And do you think a single news source has bothered to note this charade?
It’s really no mystery how Obama got elected and why he’s not more unpopular than he is now.
America is not getting the facts from network news.

Has anyone seen the documentary Sicko that was released BEFORE Obama took office? How is it that a Havana Hospital offers free healthcare and meds that cost $120.00 per prescription here in our Nation and 5 cents over there? I think it’s funny that people think it can’t be done. How is it that places like the UK, France and Canada can get it right and somehow the American people can’t see the benefits
of a National healthcare plan? I bet if all these people that are satisfied with our healthcare system got dropped from their current plan, they’d be singing a different tune. And I don’t feel sorry for all the Pharm companies that won’t get the giant paydays or the doc’s that get the kickbacks from those companies. Talk about being in bed with the enemy. It is appalling to see our nations most ignorant fighting against something they don’t understand. It’s embarrassing. If you don’t believe me, watch Sicko and see how you feel then. I don’t think it’s so much the plan people are fighting, it’s Obama…but put a White haired, white Republican in office touting the same thing and I bet it would be a different story. Fear is driving this madness. Wake up people.

—but put a White haired, white Republican in office touting the same thing and I bet it would be a different story.–
People don’t like what Nancy Pelosi is saying either.

Believe what you want the government is trying to control everything Obama said ups and fedex are doing fine but the post office is not what does that tell you they cant even run that and medicare and medicade are full of fraud. i think we should start going after all the corrupt people in the senate and congress and leave our health care alone it needs reform to control costs but not by government intervention. So why dont you people smarten up but all of you that want it are most so left wing just like this administration that is trying to ram it down our throats. THE ELECTIONS ARE COMING BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU BACK

“. FYI the Stimulus Bill set up the NICE Panel”
The NICE panel was set up by George Bush in 2005.
That was a lie told by Betsy the Shill.
She is also the one behind the death panels.
A great example of the right wing media machine where a lie is told then passed around until a Republican repeats it.

“Force the compamies out of business.”
Yay for more unemployment!

Good for Obama.
Living wills are a great thing, especially if you are worried about euthanasia.
When you write a living will, it prevents health care providers from performing (or withholding) procedures against your wishes.
As a Roman Catholic, I think all health care providers should include a living will in their standard services.
I am, frankly, ashamed that Republicans would try to remove this provision. Dying people, especially elderly people, should be allowed to specify which treatments they find acceptable and unacceptable, moral or immoral.
By equating “living wills” with euthanasia, these people are actually discouraging people from defining the type of treatment they want or that their religion requires.

Where did Mr. Axelrod get my email address from and why is he writing me. What does the government do keep a list of everyone’s email addresses? I oppose this healthcare plan and nothing is going to change my mind. I like the insurance that I have now and don’t want it to change. Mr. Obama says that it won’t affect our insurance policies but who can compete with the government that can afford to lower their price to anything they want until they drive the insurance industry bankrupt and make all of us use the government plan. There are so many things I dislike about this health care plan that I could not even begin to note them all here but anyone that knows just a little about it should be opposed. Take a look on how much it has hurt the senior citizens in England and Canada or anywhere else that has a government ran healthcare plan.

“Living wills are very good things.” Of course they are. I have one myself. And guess what: I got one all by myself, with no help from congress. Anyone who wants one can get one today.

“72% of the public now favors returning the unspent stimulus money to the taxpayers.”
What poll is that?
A sizable percentage of the stimulus was TAX cuts.

Axelrod is no longer just a political hack.. he’s an expert on the U.S. healthcare system.. did I miss something between .. well.. this kind of thing makes me wonder about the stability of the inner circle…

Conservatives don’t need viral e-mails, talk radio, or the internet to see that this health care reform bill is terrible. We’re in tune with these types of media, because they agree with what we already know.
What is it with Democrats that they think everything and anything can be accomplished with the right words and/or marketing? They’re all like bad used car salesmen trying to sell us a piece of junk.

Neocons had no problem with Bush squandering 1 trillion in Iraq, but try to fix our broken health care and the truth flies out the door.

The Empire (David Goebbels) Strikes Back!

When you appear in court you are asked 3 questions.
1. Do swear to tell the truth.
2. The whole truth.
3. And nothing but the truth.
David Axelrod, like the good salesman he is, tells the truth but does not tell the whole truth. This makes much of what he says questionable as to how true it really is.
He and the President are not much different than most politicians who use these same tricks to sell themselves or their programs to.
I have learned in my 70 years of life that there are two sides to ever story and truth is usually somewhere in between.
If President Obama and David Axelrod would stop trying to rush trough their personal agenda on Healthcare and work with Republicans to come up with a truly bipartisan bill, a one the American public could buy into, would be passed.
It’s time that politicians realize that the American public is not dumb. If they would be completely honest with us, changes can take place that are truly in the best interest of our unique country.
We are not Europeans. We are Americans and proud of it. We came to this land because we wanted individual freedom. We are by nature a very compassionate people.
Jerry M.

What have the Republicans EVER done that was favorable for the middle class or low-income people?…HINT – it wasn’t Social Security or Medicare or SSI for that matter. Based on that alone, why should I not believe that something they’re trying to stop will be good for the majority of the American people?

truthnut wrote: “The bill I have read online and have heard read on radio says: We will get end-of-life counseling…”
I assume you’re referring to section 1233. Now please provide the page and line number where it says you “will” or “shall” or “must” get end-of-life counseling. I have made this request time and time again to you folks who insist these consultations are mandatory. Not a single response yet.

Neocons had no problem with Bush squandering 1 trillion in Iraq, but try to fix our broken health care and the truth flies out the door.
Posted by: GusDeGloom | Aug 13, 2009
Heath care providers were not crashing planes into our financial centers. a little apple vs. orangy there Gus.

So now the WH has a Czar of SPAM!

how did axelrod get my e-mail address …wheres the aclu

Many millions of American citizens who are underemployed or who have lost their good paying jobs can’t afford health care or health insurance. Many small businesses can’t afford to offer health insurance as a benefit. Everyone doesn’t qualify for Medicade or Medicare. Health is as important as war. When we go to war, we don’t withdraw support while we consider cost. We do what is right. We should do no less concerning universal health care. If the rest of the industrialized nations have plans to care for ALL of their citizens, we can show the world how to do it even better. Or, we could bog ourselves down in debates about socialism versus capitalism while our citizens continue to suffer. We need to take off our self-righteous hats and admit that no system of governmnet is all good or all bad. You do what is best for the people and you will wind up with a hybrid system that takes the best of whatever you choose to call it. The GOP has historically been against all efforts to empower middle and lower class citizens; voting rights, civil rights, social security, medicare, medicade, and the list goes on. That should tell us a great deal although the “trickle down” theory has been soundly dis-proved since Reagan revised it. Take benefits directly to the people because big business will not.

We can’t afford this healthcare reform that is being crammed down our throats by fiscally irresponsible politicians.
• Medicare has a projected unfunded liability (the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums) over the next 75 years of 32,000,000,000,000.00 (32 Trillion) dollars. Social Security also has an unfunded liability but it is nowhere near as large as the unfunded Medicare liability.
• Currently, Medicare claims about 11 percent of federal nonentitlement tax dollars.
• By 2020, Medicare deficits will claim one in every five federal tax dollars that are not already dedicated to Medicare and Social Security.
• This means that in just 13 years the federal government will have to stop doing one in every five things it does today if taxes are to remain at their current level and projected Medicare benefits are paid on behalf of the disabled and the elderly.
• By 2030, the deficits in Medicare will claim one in every three general revenue dollars; by 2050, they will claim one in every two.
In a July 26 letter to the Ranking Republicans on four key committees (Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Education and Labor, and Budget), the Director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Doug Elmendorf, made it clearer than he ever had before that the bill, in its original July 14 form, would dramatically widen the already large gap between long-term government revenue and spending. Here’s the key paragraph:
“Looking ahead to the decade beyond 2019, CBO tries to evaluate the rate at which the budgetary impact of each of those broad categories would be likely to change over time. The net cost of the coverage provisions would be growing at a rate of more than 8 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; we would anticipate a similar trend in the subsequent decade. The reductions in direct spending would also be larger in the second decade than in the first, and they would represent an increasing share of spending on Medicare over that period; however, they would be much smaller at the end of the 10-year budget window than the cost of the coverage provisions, so they would not be likely to keep pace in dollar terms with the rising cost of the coverage expansion. Revenue from the surcharge on high-income individuals would be growing at about 5 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; that component would continue to grow at a slower rate than the cost of the coverage expansion in the following decade. In sum, relative to current law, the proposal would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year budget window.”
In other words, CBO expects the spending in the bill would grow at a rate of least 8 percent annually into the indefinite future, while the revenue to pay for it will only grow at about 5 per cent per year. Hence the “substantial increases” in federal budget deficits beyond 2019.
The first things the idiots in DC need to do is get Medicare under control and then address the growing debt of the federal government. For over 60 years the politicians have been spending at a rate which exceeds the revenue the government has collected, we can’t do this in our private lives and the government can’t do it either as the bill will become due and the only out will be the bankruptcy of the United States.

The commenter that said that “The GOP has historically been against all efforts to empower middle and lower class citizens; voting rights, civil rights..” is clearly misinformed. A majority Democrats were in opposition to the Civil Rights Acts in the 1960s. The GOP has continually called for equal opportunity for all by supporting low taxes to allow business to thrive and providing jobs for ALL Americans. It has always been the Democrats that have pigeonholed the poor and minorities into the category of “needing help.” The soft-bigotry of low expectations is the Democrat’s way of life. They always claim that this group or that “needs” help. It’s the Republicans that recognize that ALL Americans have the potential for success. The best way to bring people up from poverty is to simply get the government out of the way and allow businesses to thrive. When business (especially small business) thrives.. people work. When people work, they are able to do for themselves what government has never been able to do efficiently. Democrats are no better than the KKK — both groups believe in the relative inferiority of minorities (hence the Dems’ goals to “help” those “lesser” groups.) Dems are the very definition of racist.

I followed the Hugo Chavez “clime to fame” closely. This is looking more and more like Chavez every day. He is using OUR tax dollars to promote HIMSELF and a “Grab all the power you can before they hear the truth” Healthcare program. It’s time for Term Limitations on BOTH sides. These people have to much power.

I don’t understand why people are so offended by Mr. Axelrod’s e-mail. We asked for transparency and when explanations are offered by the White House in response to all of the propaganda that is out there, people complain about that, too.It seems to me that what we have are a whole bunch of people out there that would condemn any effort that this administration makes simply because they fear change. I for one am glad to have a president that is finally trying to do something in the best interest of ALL Americans, not just the wealthy ones. The lies that are being spread about the proposals are so outlandish that I can’t believe they are being taken seriously by so many. These are old scare tactics being used again by those who make a profit off of your fear- the insurance companies. Please don’t let them tell you what is best for you- they don’t have your best interest at heart and never have.

I don’t know where you people get off at thinking medicare is free. My husband and I both worked for over 50 years both paying in. Now we pay a monthly fee plus we have to pay for supplimental all comes to $500.00 a month I don’t call that free.

“Does Mr Axelrod refute the statement that Obama made about surgeons cutting off the feet of diabetes patients for a $30K payday? Or the Obama statement that surgeons are cutting out tonsils for a big payday instead of treating the allergies causing sorethroat? How about the blue pill versus red pill controversy that Obama tried to get started?”
For somebody who’s supposed to be so smart, Obama’s truly stupid. It’s too bad He’s in that “black” birthday suit, because He is a total embarrassment.

The question no one is asking.
How have we gone from a nation that was based on the concept of individual rights to a country that finds it perfectly acceptable to violate its citizen’s human rights by forcibly taking their money or property and redistributing to others, both foreign and domestic?
When the so called “common good” takes precedence over human rights then anything goes. This is the root of the evil that has been eroding our liberties for close to a hundred years.

mm – you are inconsistent. you say you were watching hannity (you think) but that you stopped watching foxnws. so which is it? or were you watching hannity out of context on youboob? no one working for foxnews calls for violence – ever. and the only incivility on their shows comes from the vicious lefty loons. (sigh) get a brain and a conscience, won’t you please? hmm — maybe obamacare can provide you with one – voluntarily of course.

I am on social security and I pay the government for medicare and also pay over 500 dollars a month for medical insurance! So all the Democrats yelling about seniors on medicare should shut up. Medicare isn’t that great! Anything that the government runs is out to make their lobbyists profits at the expense of the citizens.

Where did David Axelrod get my email address? This is scary, they now want to be able to get into your computer and find out all your information. They want to get into your bank account too. Come on people.

WELL SAM WHAT A STATMENT
how many republican administrations have there been and how many democrates have there been ? answer more republican ..thank god we were able to wipe out the waste during clintons adm. and it only took the republicans eight years to wipe it out .and now a democrate is trying to get us back on track
I have never been wealthy enough to be a true republican and chances are neither have you .. but the republican party stays alive with having people like you to keep them afloat
socialized works with government checks and balances
capitalist only works when in moderation . democrates did not creat the problem .people who are afraid of a black president ( racist ) are the ones . hmmmm and who might that be ?
republicans in general
but a majority of america voted mr obama in as president and we do want him to do what is right .and so fare he is doing a wonderful job.

mareen…who is going to pay for it? So many government run programs are broken..why not fix them first and perhaps that will free up some money to fix the healthcare system. Welfare for example..there should be a big crackdown. Minimum standards should be strictly enforced in order to receive assistance. They need to reopen Ellis Island….all immigrants should have to enter the country thru there. The billions of dollars in foreign aid that we send to countries that hate us..should be cut off. Al Gore can forget about saving the polar bears right now…the millions that went to saving the near extinct field mouse in nancy pelosi’s state should’ve been put on hold and we can start to fix all of our broken government agenies. I don’t know if you have ever walked into a DMV to get your car registered but I know in the two states I have lived in that you can count on it being an all day affair…it’s a nightmare. Wasteful spending and a sense of entitlement has gotten us where we are today…on that note…I’m broke but I’m going out on a shopping spree..when I can’t pay the bill..the goverment can bail me out.

Obama admitted during the campaign (but now blatantly lies about it) that he supports a single payer system, i.e. Socialized Medicine; and, his “Government Option” is designed to force private insurers out of the market in order to achieve precisely that goal. As Obama said: “I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process…” Barney Frank then unashamedly admitted that Obama’s “Public Option” was simply a Trojan Horse for surreptitiously introducing full blown Socialized Medicine. The American people have astutely spoken loud and clear that Socialized Medicine is anathema; but, Obama’s Marxist psyche prohibits him from accepting free market reforms which should begin with shutting down illegal immigration and Tort Reform, both of which Obama unconditionally rejects. Obama’s ACORN is busily registering illegals; and, Trial Lawyers are among his principal campaign contributors. But the most insidious part of Obama’s plan is the coming bureaucratic denial of life saving procedures for the elderly. As Obama says: “Take an aspirin” and just wait to die. ( Pg 30: SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get. AND, PG 430: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.) The elderly should revolt over Obama’s health care proposals. He learned from his wife Michelle that considerable sums of health care funds could be saved by the practice of “patient dumping” which Michelle employed in Chicago. Facts that are precisely why Health Care legislation, that HAD TO BE DONE BY YESTERDAY, does not take effect until 2013, i.e. AFTER the next presidential election when voters will then be blindsided by a pending disaster. And, just remember that Obama and his Congressional colleagues have EXEMPTED themselves from compliance with their own proposed health care debacle. Greg Neubeck

Axelrod could save himself a lot of time and effort by just sending his ‘viral’ email to flag@whitehouse.gov

mareen mcgrane |…48 million of Americans without healtcare are composed of 18 million illegals, young people that are healthy an don’t want a healthcare, and those who work on their own.The numbers of those in need is a lot smaller that what the liberals want to portray. Everyone is entittle to emergency care by law.So what is the fuzz ? First was the gay marriage, then bailout to the banks, Insurance, Wall Street, the croonies of Chicago and now Healthcare.Don’t be so naive, someone is waggin the tail and many of you fall for it.This administration along with Pelosi and Reid want to run and put mandates on our lives and that my friend is socialism, Obama’s grew up leaning toward the socialist ideals. There are plenty of interviews were he expressly emphasized on those ideals.Hannity, Rush and those alike have no bearing on this.Obama has a socialist agenda period.Maybe you need to research a little about his up bring and see the truth.Last but not least ,2012 Change you can believe on!!!

Axelrod’s “viral email” program won’t work. He’s an accountable bureaucrat and will be hobbled by having to more or less tell the truth about the health care program. The oppositional emails come from corporate-sponsored PR firms that operate under no such strictures. They can distort and lie as much as they want. It’s free speech. Anyway Axelrod’s emails will not reach the people who most need to read it.

The proof in the pudding is that if this proposed health care overhaul is good for us, it is also good for “them”. “Them”, being those who are trying to get it through.
I want the entire congress to stand up and say “we’ll go on this program too”.
Lotsaluck.

If the word “Palinism” means to achieve political ends by any means. In a battle between Palinism and Socialism,I would choose Socialism.
However, now that the old folks have finally come out against socialism— I guess to be far to them, we should skip worrying about the millions of uninsured and put a stop to government intervention in this field once and for all. SO LETS put health care on hold–while we repeal medicare and medical. Obviously, on purely anti-socialist grounds, one can not be for medicare for the old folks, while being against general health care for the young— can they?

How much longer are the major news companies going to keep their heads in the sand? Personally I am tired of news with smile I just want the news…
Now we have e-mails coming from the White House unsolicited.I never gave them my e-mail did you? And the “fishy list” what about that?
Complain about Fox and Palin all you want but it least they seem to back up what they report instead of vanilla ice cream tainted with everything is OK folks. Go to sleep now and wake up while your country gets hijacked.
I am not anti-Obama but I would like the cold hard truth.Bush was not correct in many things but it seems this administration is adopting and kept many of the past administration’s policies except we are now much poorer and jobless.And is still pushing for more before they lose a majority in Congress.
Are you choking yet? ..I am ..Congress is not even reading what they stuffing down your throat.What happened to due process? Is that why we wrote the Constitution and fought all these wars through the years, right? Remember Hitler..the Revolutionary War…people died for what we have …or losing.
Americans need to demand we slow down and organize together ..together meaning all Americans.

Maybe Obama is president in name only: Read the article in the NY Times by
PETER BAKER and JEFF ZELENY about
Rahm Emanuel

Oh also Gary of oregon LIFE ISN’T FAIR!! get over it and take some responsibility for yourself.

Dear Mr. Axelrod.
I have yet to see a more blantant liar than you, ecept Barrack Obama. The intent of this Admistration is to make this a socialist nation. Your everyday attempt to destroy anyone, who disagrees with the Administration is just like what dictators try to do, stiffle anyone, so they can have false harmony.
If you were a real American, you would want to hold on the Our Values.
You quack like a duck, you walk like a duck and you act like duck, communist duck, so you must be that kind of duck. Who do you think you are fooling, other than yourself.
Sincerely,
George