Will the WH Use Hillary on Health Care?

Wouldn’t that only bring up images of her failure last decade on the same issue?

Bring it on!!

This is not Hillary Clinton’s health-care plan, but a huge subsidy of insurance companies as promised to them by Barack Obama during the primaries.
When Michael Moore made “Sicko” he cut out my country Norway because it was to good to be true. This is our solution:
1. Insurance is not health-care. To buy insurance is not the same as to buy a doctor.
2. Give universal health-care for free to all. Old, very sick, rich and poor. You need to include the rich, if not they will not pay for it.
Of the 8 Dems in that first TV-debate wanting to be president, only one of them did not have a plan for universal health-care. Already then he was in the pocket of the insurance companies who deeply feared Clinton-2. Big whigs on Capitol Hill who burns for reform after having failed for 30 years gave Obama money, personnel and Superdelegate votes.
When it was over, and Americans once again was thoroughly screwed, they tried unsuccessfully to have Clinton their hostage as Secretary of Health-Care. She was smart enough to stay out of it then, and she should still stay out of it.
I just think it’s sad: You voted for the one candidate who guaranteed will not deliver universal health-care in the next 4 years.

Whoever! Just get the job done! If people are so shallow that another personality/sex/race has to convince them of the same thing, so be it.

The WH and Democrats just don’t seem to get it. The people are rejecting a big government take-over of their healthcare. At least with a private insurance company, you can sue for breach of contract, bad faith, etc. If the government controls what kind of care you get, you have no recourse to challenge them if the care you get is substandard. You won’t be able to sue the government. They will control what kind of care and how much care you will get.
And they say there won’t be rationing? Really? There won’t be enough doses of the H1N1 vaccine this year. There’s going to be rationing even now – healthcare workers and pregnant women will come first. That’s only right.
It’s naieve to assume that rationing will never occur. It will, and the people who are judged by the government to be the least productive will get the least care. Those people include retired people and infants.
The Democrats can now honestly be called the Socialist Party. They want big government to control every aspect of our lives – not because they care about people, but because they want to solidify their power. The more they give away “free,” the more votes they’ll get.
The American people realize that nothing is ever free. “Free” healthcare is going to be very expensive for all of us. Taxes will go up, quality will go down.
Obama and his Socialist cabal can try to dress up this pig any way they want. In the end, it’s still a pig, and the majoritity of the American people know it.

How can the Republicans be the ones derailing anything ? Didnt we just hear about a billion different talking heads tell us the GOP was done or at least severely and nearly irreversibly neutered by the last election (go back and check out the commentaries and narratives from earlier this year).
I guess Steele is a genius as he seems to have resurrected the party that was completely written off as powerless, irrelevant and on life support 6 months ago….or do the Dems just suck that bad at actually governing ?

Dave M: “Generating fear, the favorite Republican method of manipulation, spread like a virus among un-informed Americans who count on the news media to spoon-feed them their opinions.”
Huh? Are you serious? The mainstream media has been promoting Obamacare from the start. If Americans are so “un-informed,” and allow the media to “spoon feed them their opintions,” they would be solidly in favor of Obamacare, not solidly against it.

O.B.A.M.A. is right. The dems are screwed now and they have NO ONE to blame for it but themselves. The public gave them EVERYTHING (WH and BOTH arms of Congress) and they still can’t get anything done. Also, I’m tired of hearing the lib media clowns talking about filibusters. The dems now own a filibuster proof majority. NO EXCUSES!!! Enjoy the next 3 years kooks. You won’t see power for 12-16 years after that.

Oh and start distributing SICKO for free to some people. Love or Hate Michael Moore. That movie was an eye opener.

Yes, adding Secretary Clinton, who had no success selling it to the public as either the first lady or a Senator, to this issue, which has nothing to do with her public office, had will really help – NOT!

The reason that the Republican Party isn’t dying is because a large portion of Americans, mostly the rednecks (whether southerners or northerners — but mostly southerners), are stupid and uneducated and easily led around by tyrants through fear and lies. (I’m a southerner, but I got an education, so I know better.) Republicans/conservatives consist of two types of people: slick, rich tyrants and stupid peasant folk who don’t know good from bad unless the tyrants tell them what’s good and what’s bad (which is usually the opposite of the truth). Just like during witch hunts and mob lynchings, mobs of stupid people are easy to manipulate in the right hands. They don’t understand reasoning; they only understand FEAR and ANGER. Maybe the reason that Europeans and the Japanese don’t have so much trouble with far right conservatives (I’ve heard that their conservatives are more like our moderates) is because the overwhelming majority of them go to university (college) where they grow a brain through something called *critical thinking*.

@DaveM. You’re right. But they made other errors.
1) Selecting Sebelius as HHS. Have you heard her talk about reform? She comes across as either unsure how to answer a direct question or calculating.
2) Insisting on Republican support. As Bush said, you’re either with us or against us.
3) Giving Congress rope on what you consider health care reform. Lofty goals are simply not enough.
4) Putting an energy bill before the healthcare bill. Obama underestimated how anxious all Americans are with all this spending and debt. An energy could have EASILY waited until next year.
5) Putting up with crap from the Dems. He should remind them that Americans voted for them for a reason and this is it.
In short, he gave the Democrats everything they wanted and now they are stabbing him in the back. Lesson learned, you get one thing and one thing only until you give me something in return. He needs to start playing hard ball with his own party.

“(I’m a southerner, but I got an education, so I know better.)”
You may be a southerner but you sound like you received your degree in applied socialism.
I am a southerner, and moved out of the democrat party due to its obsession with killing pre-born children. Since my move to independent the democrat part has moved considerably closer to socialism. A party of mama’s boys that want their socialistic government to provide all their needs.
That being said, the republican party unless it gets a renewal is just about a dime behind the democrats.

Ed Taylor… Actually, no, an unbridled free market and pure capitalism didn’t make this country great… but it did lead to child labor, excessively long shifts and underpayment of workers (before the unions), dangerous working conditions… and more recently, jobs sent overseas. Capitalism, in a nutshell, is people chasing after riches and hiring other people to help them get rich. Job creation is a *byproduct* of capitalism, but not its goal. If you don’t control capitalism, what you get is some people with jobs and other people without… and those with jobs would just as soon die. That’s why we don’t have uncontrolled capitalism in this country anymore. Despite that, the problems we’re (still) having now are because we don’t control it enough. The Republicans are screaming “Socialism! Socialism! Evil! Evil!”, when actually, democratic socialism is a *good* thing (look it up) — it’s just simply putting a bridle on capitalism. Capitalism is like a hungry beast (hungry with greed); it can be put to good use like a mighty horse pulling the plow of job creation and economy building… but if you don’t control it, it’ll turn around and eat you! We need to better control capitalism in this country, including what the insurance companies are doing to us, before its too late.

Sen. Jim Webb is going to visit Ed Taylor soon to have a discussion about “mama’s boys.” Hope Ed has good insurance…

Yeah, I don’t think so. If the Dems wanted truly universal healthcare, they would have backed Hillary Clinton as our nominee, she’d be President right now and we’d have true healthCARE reform as opposed to healthINSURANCE reform Obama is failing to sell to the American public. She needs to stay put where she is, keep her mouth shut on this topic and let them sink or swim on their own. They wanted a rookie in the White House and that’s what we got. Let the rookie sell his own deficient plan himself.

Of course Hillary is the one…in health care and in leadership on it. The inner-circle White House boys club is sweating bullets on this one, because the curtain has been pulled open and is now revealing a very inexperienced and tragic bunch of power-hungry thugs that don’t know how to run a government except through under-the-table manuevers that have already been spent and are now ineffective. These elitist frat-boys are being slammed every way possible by the real Washinton insiders and power-brokers and don’t stand a chance of making their agenda work. But the push is on regarding the payoff to the supporters and Obama will have to deliver because that was why he was put in there in the first place, to deliver the payoffs to the drug companies, pharma,industry and so forth. The fix is in and he has to deliver. What more can we say…we have been punked!

I think it is a good idea. Both Clintons and Biden would be good. People with white hair. We need to get the seniors on board.

Thanks for reviewing the talking points Stardate! We haven’t heard them before.

“The reason that the Republican Party isn’t dying is because a large portion of Americans, mostly the rednecks (whether southerners or northerners — but mostly southerners), are stupid and uneducated and easily led around by tyrants through fear and lies.” And the reason that the Democratic party is around is that appeals to the worst in people through its basic tenets: 1) Let government nullify the consequences of your mistakes, the personal responsibility for your mistakes, and all reason and incentive for you to not repeat mistakes. 2) Find someone else to pay for anything not whitewashed by Tenet 1.

Bill Only!!!!

To clarify the argument insurance reform is not the same as healthcare reform. True in theory, but try getting adequate healthcare without it. Here lies the problem. I am so tired of the Dems either you are going to jump in the fire or not! Christ. There is no safety net co-ops want work! It must be hell to have gotten that far out to sea, and start to drown.Becuase you underestimated the strength of the current. However it was that same current that brought you to shore. Interesting….nothing will stop Obama from being called a Socialist. Just on with it already! or admit the suppose bill needs to be redrafted. It better have a public option!

Love your post, Emily! I agree.
Plus – have both Clintons go, they would rock it. And why wasn’t Bill selected as H&HS secretary, I would have done that, man! We’d be in a different place if these things were done (a good place).

Everyone is forgetting that if the Democrats fail to pass healthcare reform this year, the party is basically irrelevant with their own base. They will pass something, but no one knows what it will be. In addition, Obama has learned that he really cannot trust anyone, even within his own party. His domestic policy advisors are mediocre at best (unlike his foreign policy team, which in my opinion, deserves an “A”. Obama has to get rid of Axelrod ASAP. Alexrod is a campaign strategist. He knows nothing about inside the Beltway politics. Same goes for Gibbs. He’s not tough enough nor knowledgeable enough to be the Press Secretary. Just because these people were great campaign staff doesn’t mean they translate to hardcore politics in Washington. Which brings me to Obama. He has to play hardball while Democrats have the majority. Just lay it on the line and be President. Tell them if they don’t produce reform, they’ll definitely lose their majority, so it’s up to them. Obama has 4 years. Some of these congressmen and senators don’t. It’s that simple.

howard dean would have been ideal to use for this heatlh care debate thats going on around the country he’s shown in the past not to be afraid to lock horns with the gop base and could have done a more effective job getting the public behind this kind of debate. he should have been considered for a cabient position.

WHO EVER PASSES THIS STUPID OBAMA HEALTH CARE BILL OBAMA AND HILLARY CLINTON ADMINISTRATION DEMOCRATS NEEDS A LIFE TIME IN PRISON NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE THIS VIOLATS ALL THE RIGHTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THIS IS TOTLE AGANIEST THE CONSTITUTION RIGHTS OFTHE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAY HELL NO TO THIS STUPID OBAMA HEALTH CARE BILL KILL THIS STUPID BILL IMPWEACH OBAMA AND ALL OF HIS THUGS OBAMA AND HIS THUGS SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

THESE 2 BILL HILLARY CLINTON BELONG BEHINDS BARRS NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR YOU CAN SAY PRISON FOR LIFE

I think they should everyone and anyone they can in the Democratic party — obviously, the GOP will only stall, or cause too many concessions — they should go it alone!!
As far as death panels, that is what is happening now — people are not getting services they need because insurance companies making up the rules as they go along and as long as the CEO’s get their pay in the directors get their insurance and pensions they do not care.

Winning political debates with personalities went out years ago. It’s never been a matter of who is speaking so much as what they are saying. Democrats boned the message, lost the audience, and did so because they relied on crony PR people who’s tactics couldn’t land a cow pie near a the ground. And yet, I’m unemployed–go figure.

Will the WH Use Hillary on Health Care?>>> What as a test dummy. :-)
Now they want a bipartisan effort? I am sorry I heard Reid say WE WILL do it.
Maybe he called some of the senators that have not been bought off yet.

The government(s) Medicare and state Medicaid programs NEED private insurance companies – they deliver the lion’s share of services!!!!!!
Obama must have the IQ of a mouse.

They should Use Hillary so long as it includes a strong public option.

I have gone from saddened to disappointed to alarmed at the lack of committed leadership so sorely needed to enact the agenda the people of this nation voted for. As a lifelong Democrat, I must also rebuke my party for putting campaign connections above public good. We don’t need Hillary to fix health care.
Calling to mind her positions during the endless campaign, we don’t need to be burdened with the mandatory insurance she would impose on already cash-strapped Americans, 1 of 10 of which need a job (remember,Hillarycare 1990??) “Hillarycare” flopped miserably then, and it is not the answer now. Sylvia Johnsen hit the right nail on the head, pointing out that “buying health INSURANCE is not the same as buying medical care.” Why does this discussion always begin and end with Insurance, insurance, insurance? The only real “coverage” insurers will make good on is the handsome sums paid out to lawmakers to sell out their constituents once again. I guess lawmakers really do not comprehend what a few hundred dollars each month would do to already cash-strapped families with ordinary jobs. I am disgusted with Obama’s vacillating leadership, unimpressed with Sibelius, and aghast with a Congress that can’t seem to recognize Santa on it doorstep. Most certainly they will lose their majority in 2010, and deservedly so. Too bad. My party has always had the ideas, but can’t seem to govern, whereas Republicans can pick upo a losing hand and take home the bank every time. Too bad for our country. How can we change this? Maybe for starters, we copuld toss “bi-partisanship” (whatever that is)into the rhetorical bilgewater where it belongs and try this- Health Care- NOT insurance subsidies. Are you for “We the People,” or against us? Do you even hear us? President Obama, we really trusted you. Passing anything at all just to say you did it is not the mandate we gave you. Give us the real health care you promised . Other Americans are routinely tossed aside when their jobs are obsolete, downsized, or outsourced. Maybe Insurance Companies need some downsizing too. After all, its the American way.
Marianne Menter

Just looking at that phony, phony smile of Hillary’s makes me want to gag. That woman is evil.

Obama says we can keep our current insurance if we are satisfied with it. However the bill seem to include a plan to ensure that said insurance company is destined for phase out due to inability to attract new client in a free market. Read it for yourself:
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENTCOVERAGE.
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable
coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

Hilliary would help in any situation.She is Class! Now there is also 30+ religious organization that say it immoral not to take care of those who are less fortunate. I think a lot of people will have to switch churches if they disagree with their church. The churches against the plan are attended by those that must wear white hoods to attend! Where do you fit in?

It ought to be obvious by now. Hatred is a much more potent motive for political movements than love. Most of us may want significant health-care reform but not enough to get out and demonstrate for it. During the campaign, Obama’s support was fueled by a justifiable hatred of Bush, but Bush, Cheney, and Rove are gone. Obama might do better if he “put a face on” the opposition and began bad-mouthing the health insurance industry instead of being always rational and conciliatory. What his program needs is an enemy. The irony is that we’re going to get reform (WITH a gov’t-sponsored alternative) sooner or later because the present system is unsustainable, only we’ll have to wait until more lives are lost and more dollars thrown away before it becomes self evident.

Yep, the Dems screwed up when they threw Hillary under the bus and pumped up Obama.

Hillary had a much better plan last year but you and your media cohorts were too busy with stars in your eyes over Mr. Obama, who is too arrogant and proud to make use of her plans. Then again, his goal is altogether different — it’s just a giveaway to insurance and health care companies — this is not something that will help the people who need it.
Let’s leave SoS Clinton out of it. The Clintons do not need to rescue his fat from the fire. Obama spent close to a billion dollars to get this job. He got what he wanted. Let him show his “ready on day one” like he promised.