Ambitions & Ambiguities: A new, new start — but what if you can’t see the lines in the sand?
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: It's just possible that Republicans got their wish.
That "reset" that they've been calling for just might be taking place — albeit not entirely on terms of their choosing.
The narrative of President Obama's message gone flat — of a legislative push that came to shove and is left in chaos — is so well-established that it's primed for a rewrite.
That's where Wednesday night comes in: When the president enters the House chamber at 8 pm ET, he gets another big moment to rescue his biggest legislative initiative.
And it comes as Sarah Palin jumps back into the health care debate — maybe not an opponent Team Obama minds having just now.
For all the noise, the president returns to speak in front of a back-from-break Congress pushing a reform effort that's just about where it was a month ago. The "Gang of Six" is still meeting. There are still five bills pending.
Yes, he's sought new momentum before, again, and again. It hasn't crystallized into law — and yet it all hasn't crumbled into pieces, either.
As for the most-anticipated item . . . asked by ABC's Robin Roberts if the nation will learn whether he would sign a health care reform bill without a public option, the president said: "Well, I think what the country is going to know is exactly what I think will solve our health care crisis."
Roberts asked twice whether the public option is a must-have part of the bill, but Obama didn't answer (and might that be an answer?): "There are some core principles that I've already laid out previously," he said. "We're going to be providing a much more detailed plan," Obama said on "Good Morning America Wednesday.
"There are some principles that, if they're not embodied in the bill, I will not sign it," the president said, citing budget-neutrality (and not the public option).
Mistakes made? "I, out of an effort to give Congress the ability to do their thing and not step on their toes, probably left too much ambiguity out there, which allowed, then, opponents of reform to come in and to fill up the airwaves with a lot of nonsense –everything from this ridiculous idea that we're setting up death panels, to false notions that this was designed to provide health insurance to illegal immigrants," the president said.
Where we (still) stand: Take out the row over the public option (yeah, we know) and you've got broad support for health care reforms — along with broad consensus that something will ultimately get done.
Confidence from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "Both leaders told the president that despite the difficult rough and tumble of the legislative process in the last few weeks, they are optimistic that both the House and Senate can pass health care reform legislation," per ABC's Jake Tapper.
Said Reid (in a sentence where every phrase is worth unpacking): "We're going to do our very best to have a public option or something like a public option before we finish this work."
Tapper, on "GMA": "The White House is confident that if the American people understand what is in the bill, they will support it."
And what happens if the president isn't clear on the public option Wednesday night? What happens in the sandbox if you still can't read all the lines in the sand?
"The White House set a high bar for the rare presidential address to a joint session of Congress, acknowledging the huge stakes and creating big expectations about the level of specificity Obama would provide," the AP's Jennifer Loven reports.
And death panels live — as an argument advanced by you-know-whom: "Given such statements, is it any wonder that many of the sick and elderly are concerned that the Democrats' proposals will ultimately lead to rationing of their health care by — dare I say it — death panels?" Sarah Palin writes in a Wall Street Journal column.
Palin continues: "Establishment voices dismissed that phrase, but it rang true for many Americans. Working through ‘normal political channels,' they made themselves heard, and as a result Congress will likely reject a wrong-headed proposal to authorize end-of-life counseling in this cost-cutting context. But the fact remains that the Democrats' proposals would still empower unelected bureaucrats to make decisions affecting life or death health-care matters. Such government overreaching is what we've come to expect from this administration." (If this was normal, what's abnormal?)
It's another Louisiana Republican offering the formal GOP response: "U.S. Rep. Charles Boustany will step into the national spotlight tonight to offer a rebuttal to President Barack Obama's speech on health care," Jeff Moore writes in the Lafayette Daily Advertiser. "A retired cardiothoracic surgeon, Boustany has emerged as a leading figure in the health-care debate."
Pre-buttal watch: House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., are planning a joint news conference around lunchtime Wednesday (after McConnell attends Supreme Court arguments) to discuss "the need for responsible, bipartisan health care reform in advance of the President's address to a Joint Session of Congress."
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., wants separate bills: "The president has a real opportunity, so take a deep breath, and step back. Not try to sell the country on one bill, with one solution with 1300 pages, but instead offer to work on good ideas, good approaches with the whole country, and to do it in a series of smaller bills," Gingrich said in remarks fed out via satellite Wednesday morning.
Your new narrative: "While the month of August clearly knocked the White House back on its heels, as Congressional town hall-style meetings exposed Americans' unease with an overhaul, the uproar does not seem to have greatly altered public opinion or substantially weakened Democrats' resolve," Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports in The New York Times.
"Critical players in the health care industry remain at the negotiating table, meaning they are not out whipping up public or legislative opposition. "Despite tensions between moderate and liberal Democrats, there is broad agreement within the party over most of what a package would look like."
"Depending on how this plays politically, I think there is the foundation for building support for broader legislation," said D r. Mark McClellan, who ran Medicare and the FDA under President George W. Bush.
Time's Michael Scherer and Karen Tumulty: "This is what Barack Obama does. Back him into a corner, get the press in a frenzy, send his poll ratings plummeting, and the aging basketball player responds again and again with the same move: he delivers a major speech. And why not? It keeps working."
What if August wasn't a disaster? "The more I think about the events in August, the more I think of professional wrestling," The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder writes. "Lots of chair shots, blood and taunts, plenty of theater, but at the end of the day, everyone goes back to the locker room, changes out of their tights, and goes to the bar for a drink."
The stakes: "Amid a summer of setbacks, President Obama's speech tonight before a joint session of Congress is a crucial moment that could determine whether he will be able to reestablish his presidency as what John F. Kennedy called the ‘vital center of action' in the government," Peter Nicholas reports in the Los Angeles Times.
The details: "The president is likely to make clear that a government-run insurance plan, known as the ‘public option,' will not provide a level of subsidies that give it an unfair advantage over private insurers, according to aides familiar with the speech preparations," Jonathan Weisman and Janet Adamy report in The Wall Street Journal. "Big questions are likely to remain. Mr. Gibbs said the speech wouldn't be ‘accompanied by truckloads of paper and our own piece of legislation.' "
Back to those questions: "But a Democratic leadership aide who sat in on an administration briefing Tuesday said that while Obama will offer support Wednesday for a public option, the president will not insist on it," per The Hill's Mike Soraghan, Alexander Bolton and Sam Youngman. Said the aide: "I think he's going to be a bit noncommittal."
"He will continue to equivocate like he and his staff have been doing recently," an "informed congressional source" tells the New York Daily News' Kenneth R. Bazinet and Michael McAuliff.
Education time: "White House officials said that Mr. Obama would provide new details of what he would like to see in a final health care measure when he addresses Congress and the nation Wednesday, but that his chief focus would be on conveying to the public the need for a health care overhaul," Carl Hulse and Robert Pear write in The New York Times.
The headline that should sound familiar: "Obama Speech Aims To Reenergize Effort."
Yet, for context: "Two prominent House Democrats backed away from a public option Tuesday, providing at least some leeway for Obama," The Washington Post's Shailagh Murray and Lori Montgomery report. "Rep. Mike Ross (Ark.), a leader of the 52-member Blue Dog coalition, said he could no longer support a government-run plan, a shift from his position a few months ago that suggests the divide between liberal and conservative Democrats may have widened in the wake of raucous town hall meetings last month. House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said he still supports a public option but could back legislation without it — a remark that ran counter to Pelosi's insistence Tuesday that a government plan ‘is essential to our passing a bill.' "From the other side: "We want him to know that his biggest supporters don't just like a public option, we absolutely require it in a health care bill, and would consider anything short of that not ‘change we can believe in,' " Adam Green, cofounder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which organized a rally of Obama campaign staffers and volunteers outside the White House, tells The Boston Globe's Lisa Wangsness.
The PCCC is turning a letter signed by 400 former Obama staffers and 25,000 former Obama volunteers into a full-page ad that will run in The New York Times. A preview is HERE.
"We're not raising a white flag and surrendering on the item," Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., said of the public option, on ABCNews.com's "Top Line" Tuesday.
Knowing the limits: "With Bill Clinton as a guide, the evidence suggests that a good speech, in and of itself, won't do it," ABC Polling Director Gary Langer writes. "One reason cuts to the challenge of presidential speechifying. These addresses to some extent represent an exercise in preaching to the choir, or at best to choir applicants; people who tune in tend to be favorably inclined, or at least willing to lend an ear."
Advice from one who's gone here before: "I wouldn't even worry about the Republicans. I'd worry about executing," Bill Clinton tells Esquire. "All we have to worry about is getting things done and doing them as well as we can. Don't even worry about the Republicans. Let them figure out what they're going to stand for. 'Cause as long as they're sitting around waiting for us to mess up, they don't have a chance."
Oh, and "even though" . . . "Do I think he's doing the right thing, even though he's jamming a lot of change down the system? I do," he said. "So there's a lot that's like my first year, but it's going to have a different ending — he's going to get health care reform."
Advice from one who's been in the inner circle: "I am one of the millions of frustrated Americans who want to see Washington do more than it's doing right now," said Steve Hildebrand, Obama's former deputy campaign manager who oversaw the campaign's field organization, tells Politico's Ben Smith. "I want change just as much as a majority of Americans do, and I'm one of the many Americans who are losing patience."
"Less Spocky, More Rocky," says Maureen Dowd: "In the absence of more vivid presidential leadership, the Democrats have reverted to their old DNA — self-destructive scrapping and spending. . . . Just as he let Hillary b reathe new life into her faltering campaign in New Hampshire, Obama let the moribund Republicans revivify themselves in the slashing image of Limbaugh and Palin."
"Mr. Obama has proved that he can be inspiring. But at this point, what he needs to inspire most of all is fear," Bill Schneider writes for Huffington Post.
Remember when the Senate Finance Committee was the center of the universe? Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., wants finality before he loses relevancy: "The Senate Democrat overseeing negotiations on a bipartisan health care bill said he hopes to reach an agreement in principle on the legislation by the time President Obama begins his speech to Congress tonight," USA Today's John Fritze reports.
New part of the deal? "Now, it seems, malpractice reform may be back in play," ABC's Jonathan Karl reports. "The reason: Olympia Snowe, the sole Republican Senator who seems inclined to support Democrats on health care reform, wants it."
A new Web video from the National Republican Senatorial Committee focuses on the public option: "Government-run health care. . . Democrats in disarray. . . . They pushed a public option. . . The American People rejected them."
Annals of bipartisanship: The Bipartisan Policy Center and Better Health Care Together are sponsoring a forum at The Newseum in Washington Wednesday, starting at 11:30 am ET, focusing on "areas of agreement among political, business and labor leaders in the health reform debate." Featured: Former senator Bob Dole, R-Kan., and Tom Daschle, D-S.D.; SEIU's Andy Stern; and Walmart's Leslie Dach.
Staying put: "Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) will announce on Wednesday morning that he will remain as chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, opting not to take over as chairman of the health panel," per The Hill's Silla Brush, J. Taylor Rushing and Jeffrey Young. "Three Washington sources said Tuesday evening that Dodd has decided not to replace the late Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) as chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee."
Fresh on the docket, for your new nine: It's Hillary, the argument. "The Supreme Court returns on Wednesday to consider ending long-standing limits on corporate and union spending in political campaigns — a move critics say could give big money more influence over U.S. elections," Reuters' James Vicini reports. "Proponents say the case, which involves a movie critical of then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, represents a basic issue of free speech. But a decision by the nation's highest court in the case could reshape the rules on how money can be spent in presidential and congressional elections, which already break new spending records with each political cycle."
Shopping for a new cause, anyone? "President Obama's nominee to oversee bioterrorism defense at the Department of Homeland Security has been nagged since the early 1990s about her membership with a reading group that once described itself as Marxist," the Washington Times' Amanda Carpenter reports. "Dr. Tara O'Toole, whose confirmation as undersecretary of science and technology is pending, came under fire from conservatives in 1993 when she revealed she belonged to a study group called the Northeast Feminist Scholars, originally known as the Marxist-Feminist Group 1."
On Sen. Mel Martinez', R-Fla., last day, a rough start already for his successor: "Democratic U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek joined union workers Tuesday in blasting incoming Republican Sen. George LeMieux over his law firm's role in bringing in Mexican laborers to build a high-rise hotel and condominiums in Miami," Beth Reinhard reports in The Miami Herald.
Latest Mass. maneuverings: "Republican Christy Mihos said last night that he is on the verge of dropping his campaign for governor to run for the US Senate, adding to a frenzied day of political activity as the field of contenders for the seat of Edward M. Kennedy came into sharper focus," Frank Phillips reports in The Boston Globe.
"Amid the jockeying, a new name emerged from outside the sphere of politics: Alan Khazei, the 48-year-old cofounder of City Year, the nationwide community service program for young adults, said he was seriously considering jumping into the Democratic primary. Though Khazei lacks experience in elective office, he would have access to liberal donors, the ability to deploy an army of young campaign activists, and the possibility of claiming the Kennedy mantle of public service."
Plus: Rep. Michael Capuano, D-Mass., is making a play to the left — and Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., is among the last big names on the fence, with former Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Mass., out.
From the comeback files: "Former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley was scheduled to tape the first broadcast of a new radio show he's launching from Palm Beach County. ‘Inside the Mind of Mark Foley' was billed by the station as a program that ‘will expose the inner workings of Washington D.C.' It will air for the first time on Sept. 22 at 6 p.m. on WSVU 960 AM," per the Palm Beach Post's Michael C. Bender.
The Kicker:
"During these incredibly changing times, it's important that we hear the voice of a true Washington D.C. insider." — WSVU-AM General Manager Chet Tart, announcing the hiring of Mark Foley.
"At this point, you know everything about me." — Former Gov. Eliot Spitzer, D-N.Y., at his weekly lecture at CCNY.
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Posted by: sara | September 9, 2009, 9:00 am 9:00 am
We need free healthcare now!
We need to redistribute wealth now!
America is fair for all, not just the rich.
We demand what the rich have.
Posted by: Marxist | September 9, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Obama may be talking directly to Congress, but he must be careful to include the specifics and message that the public wants – and needs – to hear regarding reform.
Posted by: matt | September 9, 2009, 9:21 am 9:21 am
I think its fascinating to watch the democratic process of moving towards healthcare reform. I think Obama did it exactly right: he allowed the issue to get hashed out in public, with all voices heard, and now he will step in to propose a bill, which will be stronger for having been attacked, worked on, studied and debated. I am proud of my country, our process, our President.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 9, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Attacking people with legitimate concerns is sure not a way to gain public support. Our president speaks with a forked tongue.
Posted by: Jeff | September 9, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Did Obama EVER answer the question on whether he and his family are going to be covered by this wonderful health cae plan????
Posted by: Ray | September 9, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Our President is someone to be proud of. A man who listens to others ideas and processes his ideas to action.
We’ve needed a socially responsible President for a long time. Thank you President Obama. We’re behind you.
Posted by: sandi78 | September 9, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
The people have been asking for specifics for a long time and all we get is rhetoric dancing.
Maybe it’s time to focus on the main issue Mister President. Specifics including what you will accept in this bill would have precluded all the other superfluous crying that has gone on in town hall meetings.
This was his problem during the election campaign, no specifics, just try to read between the lines.
Posted by: indymind | September 9, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am
everyone knows healthcare reform is necessary and overdue.
The opposers are the group of high powered, extremely wealthy health fraud industrialists. and the politicians they fund. and the base conservatives who do not understand the complicated process, and even if they took the opportunity to have it explained – they belong to a pack, and no amount of logical reasoning will help.
The class warfare of rationing care to those who can’t afford it, is wrong.
We’re depending on you, President Obama.
Posted by: gus amaral | September 9, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am
We can’t afford this healthcare reform that is being crammed down our throats by fiscally irresponsible politicians.
• Medicare has a projected unfunded liability (the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums) over the next 75 years of 32,000,000,000,000.00 (32 Trillion) dollars. Social Security also has an unfunded liability but it is nowhere near as large as the unfunded Medicare liability.
• Currently, Medicare claims about 11 percent of federal nonentitlement tax dollars.
• By 2020, Medicare deficits will claim one in every five federal tax dollars that are not already dedicated to Medicare and Social Security.
• This means that in just 13 years the federal government will have to stop doing one in every five things it does today if taxes are to remain at their current level and projected Medicare benefits are paid on behalf of the disabled and the elderly.
• By 2030, the deficits in Medicare will claim one in every three general revenue dollars; by 2050, they will claim one in every two.
In a July 26 letter to the Ranking Republicans on four key committees (Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Education and Labor, and Budget), the Director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), Doug Elmendorf, made it clearer than he ever had before that the bill, in its original July 14 form, would dramatically widen the already large gap between long-term government revenue and spending. Here’s the key paragraph:
“Looking ahead to the decade beyond 2019, CBO tries to evaluate the rate at which the budgetary impact of each of those broad categories would be likely to change over time. The net cost of the coverage provisions would be growing at a rate of more than 8 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; we would anticipate a similar trend in the subsequent decade. The reductions in direct spending would also be larger in the second decade than in the first, and they would represent an increasing share of spending on Medicare over that period; however, they would be much smaller at the end of the 10-year budget window than the cost of the coverage provisions, so they would not be likely to keep pace in dollar terms with the rising cost of the coverage expansion. Revenue from the surcharge on high-income individuals would be growing at about 5 percent per year in nominal terms between 2017 and 2019; that component would continue to grow at a slower rate than the cost of the coverage expansion in the following decade. In sum, relative to current law, the proposal would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year budget window.”
In other words, CBO expects the spending in the bill would grow at a rate of least 8 percent annually into the indefinite future, while the revenue to pay for it will only grow at about 5 per cent per year. Hence the “substantial increases” in federal budget deficits beyond 2019.
The first things the idiots in DC need to do is get Medicare under control and then address the growing debt of the federal government. For over 60 years the politicians have been spending at a rate which exceeds the revenue the government has collected, we can’t do this in our private lives and the government can’t do it either as the bill will become due and the only out will be the bankruptcy of the United States.
Only in the US Congress can a program be developed which the legislators claim will save money while the program increases the debt of the government. Time to get folks in office who understand how a budget really works and live within the limits of the revenue generated to the government. Just today there is an article in the WSJ which raises doubts that large portions of the funding provided to GM and Chrysler by these same idiots will ever be paid back to the taxpayers of this country.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | September 9, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Is Obuma or ODUMA going to get the same kind of health care ? Why not look at the pharmacy companies first with their hig prices.Then look into the trial Lawyers who are sueing the doctors. .The hight cost of insurance as result of this. Yes Oduma look at ther important things first before slaming down you socialist,communist training.I would like to see a refirm but not his way of thinking.Look at all the bull and damage he has done already.
Posted by: Joeray | September 9, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
We need free healthcare now!
We need to redistribute wealth now!
America is fair for all, not just the rich.
We demand what the rich have.
Posted by: Marxist
Here is the stupidty of the left…..
We want FREE heathcare.
We want what the rich have…HEY MORON…THEY PAY FOR IT!
Maybe we will just have the gov’t take it over so you can have your “free” healthcare. Then we can let the gov’t decide how much money everyone in the healthcare industry from hospitial janitors to neuro-surgeons should get paid.
Lets see, then we have to let the gov’t take over the entire college system so they can “control” the costs of educating all those people in the healthcare frild from heart surgeons to physical therapists.
What ever you loons on the left want to think, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE HEALTHCARE!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 9, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
I think its fascinating to watch the democratic process of moving towards healthcare reform. I think Obama did it exactly right: he allowed the issue to get hashed out in public, with all voices heard, and now he will step in to propose a bill, which will be stronger for having been attacked, worked on, studied and debated. I am proud of my country, our process, our President.
Posted by: Amy in Maine
Nice try…since you now want to claim what the rest of us have said all along.
YOU were one of those here every day screaming how we had to pass the bill. Obama did not want the open debate with an engaged American public. If he had Amy he NEVER, EVER would have been pushing for Congress to pass healthcare before the August recess.
Once again, your assesment of the situation is 100% DEAD WRONG!
Obama did not “allowed the issue to get hashed out in public”. He wanted it to get rammed through before the Public (or anyone else) had time to really dig into the legislation!
It is true that this is how things of the order of magnitude should be handled. Those in Congress should have to go home and face their own districts on these issues.
But, let us not try to frame this as Obama’s grand plan. It was NEVER that!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 9, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
hey rick, where’s the birth certificate?
Posted by: realman1963 | September 9, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Mike_C
I think the guy calling himself “Marxist” was being sarcastic.
You fell for it, because it fits your prejudice against Democrats, that we think healthcare should be “free”, and we are socialists (or communists) which is a delusion in YOUR mind, it has nothing to do with why progressives want healthcare reformed.
You live in your own world. Stop filling your mind with rightwing propaganda, rantings, lies, wake up to other people’s points of view and you will FEEL ALOT BETTER.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 9, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
create a job …just one little job. maybe two as my brother and sister are out of work. better make it three cause my oldest son was also laid off. all of my other kids (6 in total) have health care BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR A LIVING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR and THEY paid for college on their own. also all the schools in my area did not tune into the speech yesterday. i wathed it and it was a good conservative speech. good thing the public got wind of the orginal speech and lesson plan.
Posted by: catman | September 9, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
AP just released a poll showing BOCARE is now hated by 52% of the people. Good luck getting anything of substance through this mess.
Posted by: billy clinton | September 9, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
AP has just released a poll showing 52% of the people do not want BOCARE. Good luck getting this passsed.
Posted by: billy clinton6767 | September 9, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
judge someone by the company they keep.van jones, rev wright, bill ayers, tony resko, acorn, afl cio, uaw, seiu….you get the picture.
Posted by: catman | September 9, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
“…the base conservatives who do not understand the complicated process, and even if they took the opportunity to have it explained – they belong to a pack, and no amount of logical reasoning will help.”
Gus, I suppose you you endorse the Pelosi logical reasoning of towh hall protestor as being Nazi’s, just as an example, of course.
Posted by: keys2truth | September 9, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
How many times does BO have to keep running into a wall before he figures out that it is solid?
Posted by: BK-1970 | September 9, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
oops! wrong thread.
Posted by: keys2truth | September 9, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
A new, new start with the same garbage proposal. It didn’t work the last 3 times or so that he’s tried it. But it’s going to work this time? BO is not very smart.
Posted by: BK-1970 | September 9, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
And people thought W was “hard-headed.”
Posted by: BK-1970 | September 9, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
“BO is not very smart.”
He’s smarter than you are, my friend. He beat a field of Democrats, John McCain and his barracuda, and the rightwing smear/lie/slander engine to become the President of the United States. And he didn’t even have a rich daddy to help him do it.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 9, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Amy,
NoONE is understating what a great campaigner Obama was. Big Difference between campaining & Governing!
Your attempts top rewrite the past few months will not go unchallenged. Obvama HIMSELF threw down the gauntlet to Congress and set the goal of having a bill be passed before the summer recess.
If he had gotten HIS way, we would be debating the meaning of the LAW, not the meaning of this flimsy outline.
Posted by: Mike_C | September 9, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
AMY in MAINE – You fell for it, because it fits your prejudice against Democrats, that we think healthcare should be “free”, and we are socialists (or communists) which is a delusion in YOUR mind, it has nothing to do with why progressives want healthcare reformed.—-
Amy, sorry to tell you this, but the delusion is in YOUR mind if you don’t think that having the government control 1/5 of the economy is socialistic. Where in our constution does it guarantee heathcare.. NOWHERE.. This country was founded n the phuilosophy that every man could succeed (or fail) based on theier own ability. There were no limits placed on the success nor were there any requirements to shield the public from failure. The stance of “progressives” is precisely the stance of socialists. To conmsider yourself progressive is synonomous with considering yourself socialist. Stop kidding yourself.
Posted by: arkie vet | September 9, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Amy…Stop filling your mind with rightwing propaganda, rantings, lies, wake up to other people’s points of view and you will FEEL ALOT BETTER>>>
Other people’s point of view in this case (by majority) is that they DO NOT want this. maybe you should wake up..
Posted by: arkie vet | September 9, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Obama is the Greatest of them all
Posted by: jimmy bakes | September 9, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
“if you don’t think that having the government control 1/5 of the economy is socialistic.”
The government is not proposing “taking over” health care. What would that look like, anyway? Canada, the UK? The Democrats are not proposing a national health care system, as they have in Canada and the UK. If you don’t understand that, then what is the point of talking to you? We can’t have a debate on the basis of misinformation.
The healthcare reform bill keeps our sytem of employer based health insurance. It keeps private health insurance companies in business (some argue, too much to the benefit of private insurance.) It is NOT a government “takeover.” Get educated.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 9, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
“Obama HIMSELF threw down the gauntlet to Congress and set the goal of having a bill be passed before the summer recess.”
oooh. He set a goal. That kinda sounds like leadership, to me. “I’d like a bill written before the end of summer.”
Oh, what a dicator! What a martinet.
Mike_C, its no secret you are hoping this is Obama’s Waterloo, so you are twisting the whole issue into a battle about HIM, and not what it is, the first real chance we have ever had to reform our crazy, corrupt, expensive health care system. And who is getting it done? Obama and the Democrats.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 9, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
ah, the baucas raucus.
his attention to sincere healthcare reform is as sincere as his hair.
Posted by: gus amaral | September 9, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
the first real chance we have ever had to reform our crazy, corrupt, expensive health care system
AS USUAL – YOUR ARE WRONG!
The best chance for what you want came in the 70′s and your Hero CHOKED on it!
As far as my wanting Obama to fail on this, AGAIN – AS ALWAYS – YOUR WRONG!!!
I have not been a favor of any of his major policy moves from the stupidity of signing SCHIP with carrying the cost on the back of Smokers right through to this fiasco!
Cash – for – Clunkers – sounded good, but did NOT create jobs! Also has shown ONCE again the gov’t CANNOT efficiently RUN anything!
You are not only delusional but incredibly naive if you think any gov’t run option will not knock out the private industry.
The Only method that will not disrupt the current private market, Which for your obviously deaf, dumb & blind head is what the MAJORITY of people have and are happy with in this country (More than those who voted for Obama!) is if they push forward the same 75% subsidy that gov’t employees get.
Then again all that does is pass off the cost to the taxpayers. It does nothing to atcually understand the costs and look at what can be done to control them
Posted by: Mike_C | September 9, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Mike_C
Will you be able to keep your ears open during President’s speech tonight or will the rightwing talking points in your head distract you from the facts?
Try, Dear, TRY, to listen to the President, absorb what he is saying and THINK. PS I don’t believe FOX is carrying it, so you may have to watch it without the helpful commentary.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 9, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
That speech was brilliant.I hope you DID watch it Mike_C
Posted by: Amy | September 9, 2009, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
So let him do his thing..
Posted by: jimmy bakes | September 9, 2009, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Amy in Maine – Would you please enlighten all of us where specifically in the United States Constitution either the Executive branch or the Legislative branch is given the power to get involved in providing a government run healthcare system for all of the citizens of this great country? The Constitution lists 17 enumerated powers of the Legislative branch and I cannot find providing healthcare listed as one of them nor can I find it listed as a power granted to the Executive branch. Please read the 10th amendment and enlighten us why the providing of healthcare would be a federal government responsibility and not the responsibility of individual states in accordance with the 10th amendment.
Where in this document does it state that we all have the right to healthcare (it may be a moral right but I mean a granted right by the Constitution) even if we cannot afford to pay for it out of our own pocket? If I can afford my own healthcare insurance and then am forced through increased taxation to pay for your health insurance am I not now a slave to you as I provide the fruits of my labor to you and you provide nothing to me in return?
Posted by: sandcrab1612 | September 9, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Health care or not, I’m partisan to a president that can lower my taxes and fix what the housing market “greed” created… Just get the job market back up and avoid more scams…including “communism”
Posted by: aaroncrowe | September 11, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm