Heart-breaking, Wrong, and Not Quite Accurate

Obama lies, exaggerates, contorts. On a daily basis.
What’s the news here?

“Blue Cross/Blue Shield is “indefensible,” huh?”
Jake – Not sure I’d completely agree. Premiums and risk pool assessments are based on information provided by patients. When a patient fails to provide accurate/complete information (intentionally or not) I don’t think it would be a stretch to consider these actions to constitute a breach of contract.

This is exactly why not many people trust Obama today………only his “followers” who still think he will pay their house off, pay their gas bill, and more or less run their lives. Little do they know he won’t be their when they are foreclosed, etc.

Well done.
Yes, politicians from both sides cut corners & simplify these stories to make their points and I am glad there are reporters and fact checking sites that dig into this.
But the bottom line IS that even the corrected versions of these stories highlight the inhumane practices of insurance companies looking for any reason to deny coverage.

In the first story, the part of the story the President told us that the reason the man died was because he was denied insurance. Turns out, the story was completely false.
When are trying to make a point about people dying because they are denied care by an insurance company… you need to at least make sure that someone died because they were denied care by an insurance company. President Obama falsely told this story to make his point.
Good grief, the President’s advisers should just make up stories that cannot be checked. It is lying, but at least he will not get caught so easily. Taking someone’s personal stories and then changing them to benefit his scenario is a lie and really not fair to the people he is telling them about.

The REAL story here folks is that insurance companies, to protect their profits for their shareholders, deny people coverage all of the time especially when those premium payers get really sick!!
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Obama didn’t think the REAL story was good enough. He thought it needed a little something extra to convince us all that the insurance companies are pure evil.

So Barry and the libs lied about insurance companies? I’m shocked! Seriously, how stupid were these guys in the WH to think they wouldn’t get checked? Put some effort into the lies for a change…

I guess Joe Wilson was on to something.

CANCEL a woman’s insurance after she is diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer?
Why that’s just the American way.
AND THE HOSPITAL that told her that her surgery could not go forward unless she come come up with $30,000 cash?
That’s the Republican way.
AND LIVING WITH BREAST cancer, knowing it is growing in your body, knowing that it could spread at any time, knowing that the insurance company cancelled your insurance after you got sick, to save money?
I hope this never happens to the daughter or wife of one of the REPUBLICANS who are trying to kill health care reform so that Obama will “face his Waterloo”.
Even though it would be justice.

AND YOU THINK THE OBAMA WANTS DEATH PANELS!!!!!!!!! Geeze people death panels have been around for years they are called insurance cpompanies.
Posted by: jenny | Sep 30, 2009 1:22:01 PM
I definitely disagree. Is it ok that obama and his administration are chumming it up with the highly paid executives and lobbyists of big PHRMA? Is it okay that your tax dollars are going to help buy big PHRMA advertising in support of obama’s plan? Which is it going to be? You’re either against all fat cat big companies or not?
Glad you are using the Sarah Palin term though… it’s pretty catchy and it stays with you…kind of like the Battle Hymn of the Republic with its original words.

Paxt, no she didn’t make your point. There was nothing in her post that supportes your thinking. She was stating her thoughts. He LIES and he LIES A LOT and all his supporters never seem to care. Come on, if he can’t tell the truth about something like this why should we believe anything he says. It will be very hard for him to win back the trust of the independents and moderates that he has lost. Maybe he could start by admiting he LIED again and try a little harder to be “accurate” from now on.

“It’s not like he said someone tried to buy yellowcake here…”
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Oh yes, that tiny little lie about the nuclear weapons that Hussein surely had . . . that was okay though, it was a good forceful way to get Americans to back an attack that killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, many women and children.
It seems as long as the lie is to kill people its okay with the right; if its mostly true but in parts inaccurate and its meant to save lies . ..well! the atrocity!

another day, another lie. i would hardly call blue cross/blue shield’s actions “indefensible”. in fact, they are very defensible. you cannot lie about or omit information on your application. regardless, there is an easy fix to these situations. electronic medical records, a pre-coverage physical, and a federal law requiring a major misrepresentation of facts on the application before a policy is cancelled. i don’t see either of these stories as a reason for government run health insurance. still no reason for Obama to lie in an address to the nation. wonder why half the country doesn’t trust the guy? he lies about everything from who he is, what he believes, who his friends are, wanting bipartisan support to this example. change – hmmmm, seems like a run of the mill politician to me.

It’s nice to see someone finally take note of the fluidity of Obama’s lying. I cannot remember in my entire life so much Presidential dishonesty going so unchallenged by the media.
There’s a story itself in the number of Obama campaign pledges that have been abandoned.
Obama doesn’t have time to meet with McChrystal but meets with SEIU (ACORN) President Stern every week.
We can’t rush decisions in Afghanistan but we have to rush health care.
He won’t meet with Republicans but will meet with a holocaust denier who wants Israel wiped off the face of the Earth.
Someone tell me again whose side Obama is really on…..

Perhaps a good question to ask is: how many success stories are there about people who were treated fairly by insurance companies?
Posted by: SjB | Sep 30, 2009 2:00:04 PM
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That’s a good question, but then you have to take into account, the “mistakes” and also take a good look at how many of the mistakes ARE mistakes or simply standard fare given how the industry is set up– because they are rewarded financially for denying claims, and finding ways not to pay them.
I agree with Paxt: “The REAL story here folks is that insurance companies, to protect their profits for their shareholders, deny people coverage all of the time especially when those premium payers get really sick!!”
Those who don’t get that are pretty naive.
I also have to laugh at this question: “Which is it going to be? You’re either against all fat cat big companies or not?” I love how she thinks she gets to frame the debate. I can’t speak for jenny, but I can tell you that though I am wary of Big Pharma and wasn’t happy that there was a lack of transparency surrounding meetings with them (and so on), I dislike the insurance industry in particular because I worked in it for 16 years. You can actually pick and choose which industries and companies you’re “against” or would like to see get injected with additional competition without being against ALL fat cats. Why do so many Republicans seem to think purely in oppositional and black and white terms?

Let me ask this. What makes any of you think that if someone has a public option that they will receive the care they need? The government will evaluate just like the insurance companies. Which will make it an even sadder situation when your own gov’t thinks you don’t need care.

Posted by: whatsgoingonhere? | Sep 30, 2009 1:59:39 PM
If you can’t see how she proved my point…why bother.
But, I’m glad you are sooo concerned about lying…I’m sure you are calling for an investigation into the Bush Administration’s MANY lies. You know the ones that killed over 4000 American troops and countless Iraqis. Oh, but let me guess, that really doesn’t matter, because, because, because.
You folks crack me up!

Thank You ABC News, I appreciate it very much when news organizations report the FACTS.

Don’t you love the smell of moral equivalence in the afternoon?
If you could prevent these guys from saying or typing “Bush” they’d explode.
LMAO

Who said Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons? Not one single person ever made such a claim.

“It’s true, and he could’ve told the stories as they were,”
As they were they only showed that the system worked.

Posted by: drjohn | Sep 30, 2009 2:27:48 PM
Bush was stupid and the Dems who supported him were weak! Got it!!
But remember, there were many Dems who didn’t support him and guess what, even some Repubs.

Posted by: Patx | Sep 30, 2009 2:20:56 PM
psst…George W. Bush is no longer the president, mmm mmm mmm BHO is now our president. mmm mmm mmm BHO wanted this job, he campaigned for this job, by his campaign rhetoric he knew exactly what he was getting into. So why continue to blame Bush for everything?
It’s mmm mmm mmm BHO’s ballgame. Support him blindly if you wish, but the expiration date to blame Bush was on 1/20/09.

As they were they only showed that the system worked.
Posted by: drjohn | Sep 30, 2009 2:29:10 PM
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If you call that “working,” good for you– I want another option, and I’m glad I don’t have to work or live with you. LOL.

we should blame Bush for the 9/11 attacks, right?!
Posted by: Patx | Sep 30, 2009 2:39:54 PM
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Yep. But I didn’t like planet 612′s post at all. I think it’s disgusting to go on and on about a story that was disruptive and exploitive of school children. If they really cared about indoctrination, or whatever their hysteria du jour is, they’d go about doing something about it in a different way that didn’t end up requiring extra police at an elementary school. Very immature and not oh-so-cwever.

-If you call that “working,” good for you– I want another option, and I’m glad I don’t have to work or live with you. LOL’-
Yeah LOL, pay for it yourself. Get rid of your cable TV, stop buying ringtones and other stuff you don’t need too.

Obama will say whatever he wants.
He fooled millions of people on Nov 4th-so why not keep it going.
Obama believes he is invincible.

When you’re in a hole, stop digging.
Posted by: Sellout | Sep 30, 2009 2:57:46 PM
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I’m not in a hole and I think your claims are ridiculous– that’s two out of many thing he’s doing, and they’re the least important–but, hey, thanks for the tip. I realize you’d love for me to just give up, but no can do. I’m a patriot. I love this country. But one “good” turn deserves another so here’s a tip for you, too– when you stand for nothing, rather than distracting, obstructing, naysaying, nitpicking and shrieking, why not come up with some substance, and read a book or two so you sound more like someone with something thoughtful to say.

Who said Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons? Not one single person ever made such a claim.
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You have forgotten how the smoking gun could come in the shape of “a mushroom cloud”? Oh, wait . .. they didn’t really ‘say’ he had nuclear weapons, they just pretended . ..

The point everyone misses here is that with the current system we have some recourse (against insurance companies). It may not be easy and of course it would be better if we didn’t need it, but we have it. However, the we won’t have the same recourse against the government. What is that saying about fighting city hall? My guess is that it goes for the government.
What recourse would you have against the feds?
If our insurance companies were up against real competition (say across state lines) and could tailor plans to the people they actually covered, they might be less likely to make nasty choices that would make them look bad in the press. Of course, this would mean we need a real press, not the mamby pamby version of the press we have these days.

-You have forgotten how the smoking gun could come in the shape of “a mushroom cloud”? Oh, wait . .. they didn’t really ‘say’ he had nuclear weapons, they just pretended . ..-
And why should we trust what the gov says about Iran? Oh, wait, Obama said so…

-Who said Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons? Not one single person ever made such a claim-
Close enough…
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

Do all liberals support Roman Polanski?
Just wondering.
Those ardent feminists Whoopi GOldberg and Joy Behar support Polanski.
If anything could ever tell you about liberals, it’s their support for a child rapist/sodomizer.

Do all liberals support Roman Polanski?
Posted by: drjohn
no… he and all the ped-priests need to be brought to justice,
as much as they post about him..
do all republicans/tea partyers/neo-cons
love Hitler?

@ Alyson from Chicago:
“I think it’s disgusting to go on and on about a story that was disruptive and exploitive of school children.”
Who is doing the exploiting? Obama supporters.
mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm
Change has come! Change has come!
(Do you think if “Bush had done it” you libs wouldn’t be up-in-arms for weeks on end? Be honest…)

“And if you are so concerned about folks wanting something for nothing, why don’t the wallstreet fat cats make you sick.”
Apparently, patx, you are not familiar with Barry’s friends. Don’t speak negatively of them.
Selected top contributors to Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign:
2.) Goldman Sachs $994,795
4.) Microsoft Corp $833,617
5.) Google Inc $803,436
6.) Citigroup Inc $701,290
7.) JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
8.) Time Warner $590,084
11.) National Amusements Inc $551,683
12.) UBS AG $543,219
15.) IBM Corp $528,822
17.) Morgan Stanley $514,881
18.) General Electric $499,130
The majority of those entities not listed are universities (Univ. of Cal. #1) and law firms.
Obama is BEHOLDEN TO WALL STREET FAT CATS!
(BTW – McCain’s top contributor was Merrill Lynch at $373,595)

“How could they vote down a photo ID requirement for health care?”
Good question.
It’s racist to even ask for an ID when voting.
I’m gettin’ me a burqa.

from Politico:
Wall St money rains on Chuck Schumer
$1.65 million from the financial services industry- twice any other Democrat Senator.

What about my question alyson? It’s not crap is it?

Yet where were you in reporting the BLATANT LIES the right and insurance companies put out during the “heated debates”? I’ve supported and been a big fan of ABC until now. Jake Tapper, your bias is obvious, and you’ve lost another viewer.

Well at least she gave it a try, the fact is no one knows what they plan on doing even with a thousand pages to choose from. Our main point on the right side of things is that reform is one thing, helping people getting covered is another thing, passing a trillion dollar heap off garbage only designed to get us to single payer is not going to go over well with conservatives. The other question I had alyson is:
Why not just take the penalty for not having insurance? $750.00 for a single person. It’s cheaper than paying for coverage right? Then when I get sick they can’t deny me for pre-existing conditions anymore. Insurance companies only insuring the sick? That’s going to be profitable. Sounds like a path to single payer to me. These are what they call unintended consequences ….. or are they unintended?

@ Alyson from Chicago:
“You’re blatantly joining hands with those who put videos of those kids online, and so on and so forth! But you don’t give a crap about exploitation.”
So let me get this straight: A starry-eyed Obama worshiper teaches children songs praising Our Dear Leader and those who publicize this clear abrogation of responsibility are called out as the “exploiters” of these children? Only in the mind of a Liberal is this even possible.
“I won’t talk about it anymore, or to you. You’re a piece of crap and so is Dr. John. Total crap.”
Throwing a temper-tantrum will not in any way further your position. But not unexpected given Liberals penchant for name-calling and race-baiting when confronted with inconvenient facts.

The loons are unhinged today because the only way they get the freebee public healthcare option is by Harry Reid and Nancy Peliso using the nuclear political option. Even your most left leaning dems know that that will be career suicide and will mean the end of any meaningful changes after they are trounced in 2010 elections. I see more and more Dems running away from this debate than running to help the loons get it passed. Essentially, unless Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi break their own rules, the public option is DOA. Then again when did the rules matter to a party that constantly breaks them for their own self serving reasons. I guess we’ll all see what happens. If this is not done by Christmas, It will never be done by the 2010 elections because the dems know that this will be a huge political weapon for the right and they own the debate at this point. President Obama has some splaining to do with a veto proof Senate and a huge majority in the house as to why he lost this, His inexperience and naivety are really starting to be a liability to his party but mostly to the majority of us who wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Most of us now are in full buyers remorse.

Look this health care bill will not help anyone get treatment for serious illnesses beecause the government agents not the doctor will decide who gets treatment and who doesn’t get treatment. If the patient is considered to be too old or not expected to live mush longer, they will be denied treatment in order to save on the cost of treating the patient and let them die. I would not acceptr embrionic stemcells bacause the stemcells would come from a living human being who was murdered before they had a chance to be born. Life begins at conception.
I would pray for God to heal me or take me to heaven I would not accept end of life counseling either. I would have faith in God for healing. I won’t allow some government agent to advise me to write my will and committ suicide. Government agents are not God. This bill is against God. It is evil.

but mostly to the majority of us who wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: Bob
LOL
well, aren’t you the closet liberal, wanting to give Obama ‘ a chance’…… very progressive of you…

Why not just take the penalty for not having insurance? $750.00 for a single person. It’s cheaper than paying for coverage right? Then when I get sick they can’t deny me for pre-existing conditions anymore. Insurance companies only insuring the sick? That’s going to be profitable. Sounds like a path to single payer to me. These are what they call unintended consequences ….. or are they unintended?
Posted by: stickman | Sep 30, 2009 4:27:52 PM
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They have to close the gap on that, yes. There are a couple of ways to skin that cat, and I’m not sure which way will be in the final bill, but it’s certainly something to be mindful of and track.

I have read the health care bill and it is so full of government controls on everyone’s life except the elite of Washington D.C.that it is a coup, a government take over, a tyranny. The lifelong dream of complete power will belong to the democrat’s if this (healthcare?) bill passes.
Their main benefactors, George Soros and the elite of the rich of the world have been financing democratic campaigns for over twenty years. Their goal is to make sure America is controlled by the democrats. Whether or not they win fair and square Doesn’t bother them at all. And the democrats hate the rich? Only if they, the rich, are conservatives and believe in God and in America. Then they hate the rich.

Apparently, patx, you are not familiar with Barry’s friends. Don’t speak negatively of them.
Posted by: tjp612 | Sep 30, 2009 3:43:09 PM
I’m very familiar with the top contributors of BOTH parties! But unlike you and others, I am going to vent my anger at the REAL culprits, big corp. interest, like corp. media (i.e. Fox News), wallstreet and the insurance companies, as well as the politicians who are in their pockets, regardless of party. So, if Obama and the Dems don’t deliver on real HCR, I will not vote for them.
How about you? Do you have any principles to stand on, or do they all depend on what Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Fox News (all millionaires BTW) tell you they are?
BTW, the use of the “Barry” is tired, find a new moniker to insult the President–but, I bet you do that already.

“I’m also a feminist who makes no excuses for rapists. Full stop.”
Whoopi, Joy, Woody and loads more.
They’re not Republicans.
Not a single right winger would even think about defending this garbage.
Left wingers are falling all over themselves defending Polanski. That’s gotta feel real good.

“I won’t talk about it anymore, or to you. You’re a piece of crap and so is Dr. John. Total crap.”
Thank you.
The truth hurts, Alyson.

Lies: Facts liberals hate and close their eyes to.
Racist: Someone who’s winning an argument with a liberal.

Posted by: tjp612 | Sep 30, 2009 6:16:31 PM
I said corporate-owned media, that includes all of them. I pointed out Fox specifically, because I know that is “THE ONE” you, and folks like you, bow down to.
Noone said that all rich people are evil. There are lots and lots of rich people who use their fortunes to make this world a better place, Michael Moore definitely comes to mind.
And, of course, you left out any of your principles. Do you need to contact Rush?

Alyson:
As a feminist YOU should take care of your kids, you should not be depending on the government to take care of your kids.
I lived through the feminist movement. I studied in one of the countries first womens studies programs in the early 70s. Feminists don’t wait for a hand out. They plan, they make sure that they can always take care of their kids on their own.
Todays feminists are saying what? First look to the government? What a pathetic ethic to teach your cubs, mamma lion.
meow.

It was fair, it was right and it was on target.

Alyson:
As a feminist YOU should take care of your kids, you should not be depending on the government to take care of your kids.
I lived through the feminist movement. I studied in one of the countries first womens studies programs in the early 70s. Feminists don’t wait for a hand out. They plan, they make sure that they can always take care of their kids on their own.
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Oh, lordy. So do you think the feminist movement is over or something — you said you lived through it, as if it’s over. I admit I’m not old enough to be one of the first-wavers, but it cracks me up that you think you know me and what I teach my kids or that you have the credibility, authority, or gravitas to speak for feminists or to tell me what a feminist would or should do?? Let me guess– they shouldn’t be for universal health care or Obama or energy or environmental reforms or community activists or even community or right to privacy or rule of law or human rights or international cooperation or improved infrastructure including high speed rail because then, of course, that would make them a radical-commie-socialist and not self-reliant. There aren’t any feminists in Europe, I suppose. Gloria Steinem and Oprah oppose universal health care, I suppose. Big eyeroll, baby.

Jake,
If you only put this much effort into debunking every lie told by the republicans! Death Panels, cutting aid to senior citizens, taking away your current insurer, etc…
The list goes on and on. You could devote all your time to this task alone (just look at Media Matters!) but instead people constantly ignore the outright lies that spew forth at Republican gatherings and instead of calling them out as lies you present the lie as a “he said-she said” difference of opinion…instead of just saying they are lying! You should call out lies and “truthiness” every time it happens for either party. But it happens so often on the Republican side of the aisle I imagine it must seem like a redundant task…if you actually called them on it! It seems like the old saying rings true: If a Republicans mouth is moving he/she must be lying. However, in the case of Republicans this is not a bug it’s a feature. Start working a little harder to debunk the Republican lies. I realize it’s not sexy but you’d be doing more real news…instead of a version of Politico-lite.

Who is doing the exploiting? Obama supporters.
mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm
Change has come! Change has come!
(Do you think if “Bush had done it” you libs wouldn’t be up-in-arms for weeks on end? Be honest…)
Posted by: tjp612 | Sep 30, 2009 3:36:55 PM
From the Wall Street Journal online:
April 17, 2006, 1:48 PM ET
Out of the Mouths of Babes
At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency.
To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang:
Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!
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Heh.

So, now that you know more about Barry’s relationships with “wallstreet fat cats” (your term) and corporations are you going to call him out as the hypocrite and liar that he is?
Posted by: tjp612 | Sep 30, 2009 7:07:36 PM
Mr. tjp612:
When you turn off Fox News and Co. and use the brain cells that God gave you, I will call out the Honorable President Barack Hussein Obama. Deal?!

Whether or not these incidents were right, the news recently covered the case of the CA woman who was denied care, it was overturned eventually but, by then it was too late.
So what’s the point here? To falsely claim that such things do not happen? Next we’ll hear stories that other people denied coverage never happens either.

What ever happened to the “Hippocratic Oath” that the medical profession is supposed to live by, where a persons life comes first, before their level of health insurance? That is the oath doctors supposedly took when entering the medical profession. Now it’s the oath to verify a persons ability to pay before service is allowed. These people should be ashamed to call themselves doctors.

Thank Goodness someone in the Media is actually doing their job. NOW DO YOUR JOB ON SOMETHING IMPORTANT. The bottom line, as stated in the article, though not nearly as strong as it should have been, is that in both cases, the insurance company’s actions were completely indefensible, immoral. And because these two people were fortunate enough to finally get the care they needed and did not keel over does not detract from the fact that MILLIONS of others do. Let’s stop the fear-mongering and put everything on the table. Weigh all the options, and make an informed decision for the betterment of all of our fellow citizens. GROW SOME @#$%^, America!

You want gov’t health care? Canada is NOT that far away. “government option” = rationing, death panels, endless waits, travel to Mexico for cash-care. I’ll take my chances w/ an insurance co. over the gov’t any day.

When you get an insurance policy, the company does not investigate your health. It may or may not require an exam, but it does not conduct an extensive investigation into the truth of your representations about your state of health. It would be very expensive to do that. Instead, the company waits for you to make a claim and then it investigates to see whether you lied about your state of health. It’s hard to fault the insurance companies for doing this. The solution for most people is simple: don’t lie when you apply for health insurance.

These are at best discrepancies (especially the second story about the woman with the allegedly pre-cancerous condition). What is obvious is that the stories support the point they are supposed to support — that insurance companies gladly accept huge premiums then try to deny coverage by the most underhanded means. I resent the implicit comparison from Mr. Tapper (duly picked up by the wingers in the comments) that there is some sort of equivalence between what the President said and the out and out lies and distortions coming from Republican politicians (e.g. Sarah Palin claiming that her son Trig would not have received treatment under any of the Democrats’ reform plans, Sen. Grassley claiming that the there were “death panels” in the bill, etc. etc. ad nauseam). Mr. Tapper should spend more time debunking the vicious lies and falsehoods of the so-called opposition, and a little less digging into minor discrepancies in anecdotes provided by one party or the other.

Wow, so much for unbiased reporting. Jakes opening comments seem to suggest that insurance companies routinely screww their customers. However, the expample used by the president in his address to Congress are blatantly mischaracterized. Jake seems to be upset that he has to debunk the president’s version of what happened to these two people. You would think, recognizing the importance of the speech, that the president and his staffers would have made sure they had the fast straigt. Unfortunately, based on the facts, it seems the president was, dare I say it, lying?

There are two ways to describe what Obama did. He either behaved recklessly by not checking his facts to insure information he shared with the entire was accurate, or he did and just lied to us. Its hard to believe the President of the U.S. with the police, FBI & CIA at his disposal couldn’t get the facts right? So the odds are that he lied to us! We also don’t know how these people would have fared under Obamacare? Would they have received treatment, or been too old or too sick and gotten pain pills? Obama is talking like Obamacare will cover everything for everybody, but we know he’s setting up medical boards to deny care! Also wouldn’t it be easier to pass a law making it illegal to deny care for pre-existing conditions and terminate insurance, than to have the Government takeover all of healthcare?

So Obama lies and lies and lies and, and lies some more. That is the story of his entire life. Including, now we know, that he didn’t write his “famous” “Dreams” book. The terrorist Ayers, whom Obama claimed he didn’t know (only a guy in his neighborhood), ghost wrote it. Next book by Obama: “Yes, I Am.. A Compulsive Liar; But I Needed the Votes.”
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Speaking of compulsive liars, Sarah Palin’s memoir “Going Rogue” is scheduled to be released in November but has already hit #1 at Amazon and Barnes & Noble. It’s rumored that the book was actually ghost-written by the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

Nice to see your article linked to Real Clear Politics. Pax.

What both stories tell me is that you should be very careful about the Insurace Companies you do business with. Cheapest is usually not the best. I would not do business with either company mentioned, and a little research would lead most people to the same conclusion.

From what little I know of the subject, the French healthcare system costs only half (as a percentage of GDP)as American healthcare costs, and French citizens are usually treated by private doctors. The great majority of French find the system to be flawed, but they don’t want to abolish it for the private insurance of the USA. This is true of most of the people in Europe, even Britain: They think their system sucks at times, but they want to keep it.
Anecdotally, in 2003 some 14,000 people died in France as the result of a heatwave. Most of the people who died were elderly people, whose doctors had gone on vacation, and even the government concluded that the deaths would not have occurred if the doctors had remained at their posts (or simply provided for a substitute doctor to contact). We could easily compile 14,000 stories from relatives of the dead, which would be solid proof that the system is dangerously incompetent. Yet the French are basically happy with it (or so the pollsters say). Would we be happy with a system that allowed 14,000 people to die from a simple heatwave?
If you don’t like this little anecdote, then don’t use anecdotes.

Guess which insurer denies a higher % of claims than any in America in 2007-2008?
Medicare.
Go look at the AMA reports.
The vast majority of claims denied by private insurers are administrative mistakes when a person changes jobs.
We have all probably had that happen.
Far less than 1% of private denials are for pre-existing conditions.
18% of Medicare denials are because the procedure is not deemed “medically necessary.”
Get used to that phrase. As Obama says “Maybe you should just take painkillers instead”
65% of a Social Security claims are denied. If you appeal, they will deny you 87% of the time.
Insurers can get sued for their sins. Competitors can steal their customers. Try suing Medicare. Good luck with that…

Are you insane, or what! You want to limit health care to loved ones of a fully armed citizenry? What do you think “Bubba” will do when some bureaucrat tells him his Mama’s only choice is to get in line and die? Before we get to that point a more peaceful rebellion would be to simply boycott the 16th Amendment. Since Obama loves unions, taxpayers should go on strike! Here’s a new motto: if they pass it we will not obey; if they tax it we will not pay. Live free of die comes later…..

Accuracy matters. Freely improvising stories to make a point is fairly called lying. Mr. Obama loses credibility when he lies. Of course, some of us noticed that when Mr. Obama was saying that he would withdraw the troops from Iraq on a schedule that was physically impossible, his campaign was instructing its opeeratives to admit “We know we can’t do this.”
It’s lying. I did not vote for Obama because I knew him to be a liar.

Jake Tapper just turned down the volume of this contentious debate. Thank you, Jake!
Did Obama “lie” about these anecdotes – yes and no.
You have to understand that “when politicians do it, it’s not lying” (or so they would have us believe) to paraphrase from the movie “Nixon”.
I recall (but have not specific information) of this kind of “truth stretching” from other presidents.
An honest critique of a president’s address (as done by Tapper here) is what is needed for the “right” to feel it is not being told bald-faced lies from a collusive media, and for the left to admit that Mr. Obama is a politician, cut of the same cloth as so many others (and not able to walk on water if he weren’t so criticized by the “right”)

I’d like to revise and extend my comment . . .
I just re-read the piece by Mr. Tapper.
Yes, it is totally slanted in favor of government health care – but it is still a departure from the lies of omission and flat out propaganda that have become SO prevalent in the major media (we ALL know which outlets).
Maybe ABC is reading the polls and looking at the political weather vane and is deciding to try to come back off the ledge upon which it has so firmly stood in support of Mr. Obama.

in reference to the first paragraph: It seems to me that one possible point to draw from this is that if inaccurate stories are the best the research staff of the White House can do, perhaps the evil insurance companies are not rescinding so many policies without justifiable cause as the forces for “reform” would have us believe. Of course, these people believe that the government should mandate that private companies cover those with pre-existing conditions, then regulate what they can charge for it so they must do so at a loss, and cut a deal with those companies not to object to this arrangement by dangling a “mandatory coverage” provision that will transfer those costs to healthy people who otherwise would have CHOSEN to forego health insurance. If you think that one’s cost for health insurance should have nothing to do withthe cost of providing one’s health insurance, then you cannot properly be said to “think” at all.

I can’t believe what I’m reading. In the richest country in the world, it’s OK to deny someone health coverage because of a pre-existing condition? So I have asthma, a condition not caused by choice. By that logic, I should be denied health insurance. What if I get really sick and have to be hospitalized, or get seriously injured? You’re saying it’s OK for me to go bankrupt for something that is not my fault?! I know you’re going to say “but even people with pre-existing conditions get covered”. You’re right, and their premiums are up to $1000 a month (individual plans I’m talking about). So because I have a pre-existing condition, it’s ok for me to have to pay essentially rent, car and utilities twice? How selfish of you people, and frankly un-Christian.
Well guys, I have been really sick before, and again not of my choice. Go ahead, get really sick or injured. Go through the system. Go the ER and watch someone come into your room and say “now will that be with check or credit card?”
NO ONE in this country, poor or rich, should ever have to go through that.

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