Latino Lawmaker Rips Obama for Making It Harder for Illegals to Buy Private Insurance

Well, Since we have heard through the Arguments of Healthcare Reform in this country that care in Mexico is as Good as in the US and OH so much Cheaper, the Solution is Simple…GO BACK to MEXICO

This raises some interesting points. Once again, we have our elected government officials wishing to aid criminals in breaking federal laws. Guess their oath of office doesn’t mean that much to them. And racism is going strong and even encouraged in congress, just in a “politically correct” format. In congress we have a hispanic caucus, a black caucus, an asian caucus, etc. And congress approves of this. But I bet if the whites in congress proudly form a white caucus, screams of “racism” would ring loudly through the halls of congress. And now we have the hispanic caucus fighting to give special “rights” (to illegals no less) to hispanics simply because they are hispanics. If that isn’t racism, what is?

Wait A minute! If everything boils down to money..why not allow illegals to purchase medical insurance? They already purchase insurance for vehicles and rental homes? If not then you and I will get stuck with the payments. I say let them pay..!!It will help all of us in the long run.

“exactly what he wants to continue with this prejudice against our community.”
Is Gutierrez an American or an illegal alien? Hispanic Americans are citizens of the United States and therefore not excluded. The only people being excluded are illegal aliens. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with citizenship. All someone has to do is present a valid Social Security card. If they can’t do they they haven’t been paying taxes so they are living off of the American citizens.
Decide what you are Gutierrez. If you’re representing Americans the people you represent have nothing to worry about. If you’re representing illegal aliens you should resign and go to whatever country you consider yourself a citizen of.

I do not see why those who pay taxes, whether you are legal or not, shouldn’t have the right to decent and affordable health care. It GALLS me that someone actually thinks it is OK to take someone else’s tax money and not allow them to have the BASIC necessities.

Why don’t we just allow all of us to disregard whatever law we want to. This would make it very easy for all of us to get along. If we want to make exceptions for some we must allow exceptions to all. This will be the new America that the liberals have been fighting for. I will do my part to help establish this new order in America because it is the only fair thing to do. I will bow to all government officials because they are now the new heroes for this nation. We do not have to honor our past history because it no longer applies to our modern needs. I personally think that a good role model for all of us should be Fidel Castro. He brought together a group of people who had nothing and gave them pride and fairness. It does not matter that that they are poor or not really free. All that matters is that they believe they are free.

Don’t worry. After health reform passes, Obama will grant the Illegals amnesty next year so they can get full health coverage.

Angela
I don’t know about you but the 1040 I use requires a Social Security number. Anyone who doesn’t have a valid Social Security card hasn’t been paying taxes.
“It galls me that someone actually thinks it is okay to take someone else’s tax money” and provide services for those who are in the country illegally and refuse to pay taxes or assimilate.

Gutierrez must not believe in the law. Illegal immigrants are just that ILLEGAL. They don’t pay taxes, they contribute nothing and have no allegiance to our country.

But Obama said that illegals were never going to be covered. Did he lie???

Hey , how about ABC reporting on the ACORN debacle,,,,

two separate issues. The bill never extended coverage to illegals. That is issue one.
Issue two is that if a person who is in the country illegally gets into a horrific car crash (for example) and is taken to the ER — are we saying that he should be left on the doorstep of the hospital to die because of his immigration status?
To me, that is the real issue, covering the uninsured in some fashion. Rich, poor, immigrant, citizen. If they apply for insurance and are illegals, send them back.
But if we don’t allow them into the program, then we pay for them when they don’t pay the bills. That has gotten us to where we are today. The insured, a pool that is shrinking, is paying the costs for bad debt and collection for those whose routine care is being taken care of at the most expensive place (the ER).
I just feel that this is a dishonest component to the real debate. Do we believe that people should have access to the system or not? Is health care a right?
If not, then anyone without insurance or the means to prepay needs to not even bother to seek medical care for anything, from cancer to an ear infection.
That is the logical conclusion to this debate. It is an argument over the right to access. All the rest is just a red herring to defeat changing the system.

If they want benefits, let them enter the country legally. If they are not citizens or are not here under the proper visas, thye should not even be here let alone qualify for any benefits.

I have a simple solution.
Doctors and nurses are required to notify authorities if they suspect cases of child abuse or any other crime. Require hospitals to also check Social Security cards. If the patient can’t produce a valid social security number, call ICE.
Treat them for life threatening emergencies then deport them. The money saved by sending illegal aliens home would more than pay for any additional expenses to the hospital and would provide jobs for Americans. It would also lower costs for American citizens and isn’t that what Obama claims he wants to do?
When an elected official represents citizens of other countries at the expense of his constituents something is drastically wrong. You folks in Illinois elect some real winners. Do any of you actually vote?

What part of “illegal” does this guy not get? If we are to reform things, what do you say to making things legal. Deport illegals and then set up a work permit program for them to reenter and work here legally. If they are clean and pass their 5 year requirement, they can then test for citizenship. Those who do not return home before a deadline, deport with no option of legal return. And, stop allowing them free health care…duh!

I am a democrat that is against giving Illegal people insurance or any other help off the back of our tax dollars. These people can get things already that I cannot get and this was happening during the bush era also.

“”"”"EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FOR HEALTH CARE – “”"”"
Posted by: thom
Where did you come up with this? Fundamental right? Then why are my hard earned tax dollars giving “illegals” some ficticious “right” to health care? Maybe, just maybe, their own country can grant them this “right” you seek, but quit using my tax dollars to fund illegals free health care. Heck, if I was illegal, I wouldn’t change a darn thing.

Come on and open your eyes Gutierrez! If you only culd see what I see? I am also hispanic. My parents came to this country 30 years ago from Mexico and they did it legally. They broke their backs working so me and my brother could have a good life and did it legally and nowadays no one does that anymore. They heavily rely on Medicaid and food stamps while buying expensive vehicles and living like rich people. This makes me angry that the government takes out of my paycheck and my parents paycheck just so people like them could live without a care in the world, while we work so hard to pay our bills. No i am not against my people. This is my opinion. I think the government needs to look into every single detail and have a close eye on how these people are cheating the government and tax payers like me.

JACKFISH cover acorn you must be kidding.

I’d like for one republican to tell me what they think the answer is. I mean, all we hear is complaing and they fail to consider they had 6 years under Bush to do something and nothing got done. This is their clue their party won’t touch this issue either. Yet they all yell about that other party.
So, what do you want? Because right now you’re insisting they can’t pay into the system and I’ll have to pay more of my tax money to keep the well here.

Today, September 15, 2009, 6 minutes ago | victor
There is no right to healthcare.
read the constitution before making false claims.
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To me it is a moral goodwill issue that all countries in the world should adopt.
I don’t think there are constitutional rights to provide health care to sick children and adults in war zones, but we do. And, we are a better people for it in my opinion.

if you have been a little more informed, you would know that republicans have subitted 36 proposals, all have been regected by the magority with the exception of a few who are willing to talk about the problems.
and no I’m not a republican
, an independant libertarian. If I had my way government would be a lot smaller and the states would rule themselves.

TexBork009 — Agreed. I would give them a path towards work permits and if they keep their nose clean for 5 years, test for citizenship (in English of course). But, they have to return home by a certain date or they will be taken home forcefully.

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I don’t think there are constitutional rights to provide health care to sick children and adults in war zones, but we do. And, we are a better people for it in my opinion
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That would be great in a perfect world.
but most of the statment above is provided by private contibutions to good will foundations and organizations
the goverment does also contribute but its usually for humanitarian reason. and when confronted with national disasters we (americans and legal tax payers) come together as well.
We the people still have a choice to give or not to give to charity. if the current HR3200 goes through we will loose that choice as it will be made for us with mandates and penalties.

yes, Nemesis, I am with you on that – if they don’t like it, we would really prefer that they leave anyway since they are NOT HERE LEGALLY

spelling really is better than my typing
:~)

“if you have been a little more informed, you would know that republicans have subitted 36 proposals, all have been regected by the magority with the exception of a few who are willing to talk about the problems.”
What are these proposals and why did they not choose to do this when they owned the farm? The fact they owned the farm and ignored it is very telling, no matter what you say. My take? NEITHER SIDE wants to touch this one. I can just imagine said proposals would get the left in hot water. It’s all games up there.

The most vulnerable among us are the unborn. Where is the repsect for their right to life that can be extinguished because some woman doesn’t want the “burden of a child” on her freedom? When you address that Rep. Gutierrez, then you can rant and rave about “rights” of people who shouldn’t even be in this country, let alone soaking off the rest of us for their healthcare.

Why can’t ILLEGAL individuals in this country just become LEGAL? I don’t feel sorry for ILLEGALS because they ARE ILLEGAL. Not only should an ILLEGAL have no voice in a community where they have no legal footing, why not fix your own backyard before coming to mine and demanding free fertilizer? Apparently, your home country isn’t working for you, so coming to mine making demands is not an answer. You can’t have your cake & eat it too. Get a legal status or go home. That would solve everything.

This is utterly and completely ridiculous. I’m for immigration reform, but to blast Obama on denying access to the healthcare exchange to illegal immigrants is beyond even common sense. Someone in the country illegally will just go to the ER or some other urgent care clinic, where they cannot be denied care. To suggest that someone here illegally should have access to purchase coverage on the exchange doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. What the country does need is an overhaul of immigration policy that speeds up the process to apply for citizenship (instead of taking 10 years, it should take 5 to 6 years), requires illegals in this country already to pay a fine, and absolutely requires them to learn English and requires them to either be working or in school. All illegal immigrants who commit crimes should be aggressively sentenced and deported, and strict border enforcement is a must.

These are no immigrants. They are criminals because they broke the law by entering the US illegally.
An immigrant is an honorable person who came here and followed and respected our laws. Big difference.

To check someone’s legal status before providing healthcare would be onerous to everyone. Suppose you fall down the stairs and break your leg or neck. The paramedical team gets to you, but asks you for proof of citizenship or legal residence before helping you. That is bat crazy. You can’t be checking peoples status by looking into their wallets when they need medical care. We are already spending enough for healthcare that can cover not only everyone in America but also in Canada and Mexico. Stop this nonsense already!

Nancy: “They are at least 95% people who hate/fear a black president. Shame on you!!!!! You Bush voters owe us big!!! I’ve lost at least $35,000 in my retirement fund plus my consulting has dried up so I think you Right wingers owe me at least $80,000. Great management of the country for 8 years you bozos!!!!!!”
95%? Really? If that were true how would he have been elected. You seem like you have slightly below average intelligence, but even you can see how dumb your point is. The country owes me alot more than $80,000, since I pay thru the nose in taxes for liberal programs. And I am not sure if you noticed, but it wasn’t a US only recession, it was global. So you may want to start to contact every other country to see about gettting money back on your poor savings choices. Nuff said…..

Caving has been reframed as “open to” and “negotiation”. Just another double talking politician. You can negotiate any position into meaninglessness. Obama you don’t appear open you appear weak like the rest of the Dems.

I agree with ‘Really?’ and ‘Jennifer’. This really is all about money, so why not let them choose a plan that they will have to pay for. That won’t affect all the afraid Americans who are worried they’re gonna have to pay for illegal immigrants.
Sometimes, I wonder if the real problem is that a higher-class society is afraid that a lower social class citizen will be within the same doctor’s office. After all, if everyone is gonna be paying for their insurance, why not find a good doctor, even if it is in a nicer neighborhood?

Can we get this guy for aiding federal fugitives?
BTW Ben, You are young and naive compared to many of us. The young will take our place when they become smart enough to quit attaching headphones to their heads and see what’s going on. You think you can handle it? What would you do in this situation?

According to Mexico they can get health insurance and insure their family members in Mexico…BUT they shouldn’t be here in the first place if they are illegal
Over the weekend: Mexican health insurance news;
Posted: 12 Sep 2009 01:52 PM PDT
La Cronica de Hoy 9/4/09
Mexican migrants in US to be offered health insurance by Mexico
(Though a week old, this story has now gained new currency). Mexican immigrants in the US will be able to enroll themselves and their families in Mexico in the health insurance of their own country through their consulates in the United States. This is a new measure of the Mexican government to insure the 2.3 million Mexicans who still lack access to health care, according to Mexico’s Secretary of Health. Dr. Jose Angel Cordoba Villalobos pointed out that the new plan will enable Mexican workers in the US who support their families in Mexico to offer their relatives at home the benefits of medical care and also benefit themselves when they return. ”We know that many migrants come to the US because they have no work. And on many occasions, have not had the time or the knowledge of the existence of public insurance,” said Villalobos. ”What this is about is that there exists a guarantee of attention.”
Public insurance in Mexico began in 2003 for those who were self employed and for the unemployed who lacked access to the health system. Villalobos said that of the 12.5 million Mexicans presently eligible for the insurance, 10 million use it. Those migrants who enroll in the Mexican public insurance from consulates in the US can only receive medical attention in Mexico.

No matter how you slice it, undocumented or illegal immigrants are illegal! Why should governments need to explain why they don’t support illegal activity. If immigrants want health insurance in the U.S., they should enter the country, legally, and take the prescribed steps to become legal. Is that asking too much?

“undocumented workers”… please what an idiot – we used to call them ‘Illegal Aliens’ aka criminals who are breaking the law.
We already provide hospital care and educate their children. Where does it end, this country has seriously lost its way.

So much hate and rhetoric about ‘illegals’. How many of you posters forget that your parents or grandparents or great grandparents most likely entered this country illegally looking for a better tomorrow, who worked hard to make the lives of their families a little easier than their own. And now, just a generation or two removed from that you so vehemently argue why they’re not deserving of the same opportunities. However the got here, they’re here and we need to deal with it. Should we incarcerate them and spend your holy tax dollars on prisons? or maybe deport them and spend resources on that action? Show people some compassion and understanding as the majority of these folks just want to be honest, contributing members of our society. The hate begets nothing but hate in return, but maybe that’s all you have to offer anyway, reading your posts in certainly seems that way.

If illegals are allowed to PURCHASE their own coverage, how does that reflect badly on anything? It will be more people buying the insurance and will LOWER the premiums for everyone. I would rather they are allowed to buy it on their own and be covered than for them to go to the emergency room and receive their health care free which forces the rest of us to pay for it for them. This is fairly simple math here folks and even a republican should be able to figure it out.
Just because they can buy their own insurance doesn’t make them a citizen of our country. In fact, it seems like a good first step to reforming our immigration policies and stopping them from using actual citizen’s SSN. If the only reason you don’t want them to be able to purchase it on their own is just because they are of a different culture, or because they don’t speak english, why don’t you just come out and say so?

AustinHipster
Absolutely right. We shouldn’t waste money punishing people just for illegally crossing the border in search of a better life. They should be commended. It’s not their fault they were forced to commit identity theft to get a Social Security number. It’s not their fault that they don’t pay taxes.
A lot of our own citizens break laws too and we waste money keeping them in jail. They’re poor and uneducated so they have to steal in order to pay their bills. Every now and then some are forced to kill an innocent person who happens to get in the way but it’s not the fault of the criminal. That innocent person shouldn’t have been there.
People should have a little compassion and understand that no one willingly breaks a law. They are forced to do so and it’s the fault of society. If we gave them everything they wanted instead of just half of it, they might not break any laws.
Laws should only be enforced on citizens who have jobs and pay taxes.

David
I understand your feelings but I have to disagree with your opinion.
It can be reasonably argued that we are our brother’s keeper and therefor responsible to help other Americans who truly need help.
I see no reason to be my cousin’s keeper. The United States was once the richest country on Earth. Because of our generosity to other nations as well as some of our own people, the US is no longer rich, we are in debt. We simply can’t afford to take care of anyone but our own citizens.

Geez give me a break. Anyone who lives in a border state has lived side by side with illegals and most are nice folks but they don’t buy insurance for anything they don’t have to. Insurance is a Gringo thing. I am from Texas and have had several friends who had accidents involving illegal aliens and not a one of them had insurance and in one case the illegal did not even wait see if anyone was hurt…just took off running leaving their totaled vehicle behind. Insurance by rear!

If an illegal wants government health care they need to take it up with the country of which they a citizen. End of story.

I lived in Pasadena, Texas most of my life. The population if over 50% Hispanic. No problem with that at all. The issue is not race regardless of what Congressman Gutierrez wants to make it. The issue is citizenship and sovereignty of the United States. And of course money. We are no longer the richest nation on Earth and we have to stop acting like it. We are not rich, we are in debt up to our eyeballs. If we raise taxes and reduce care for all Americans we can afford to insure American citizens who currently don’t have insurance. There is no way we can afford to insure all the people in the country who are not citizens, legal or not, and those who will flock in faster when Obama gives them even more incentive.
For those of you who think illegal aliens and other non-citizens deserve help, get out your own checkbook and start writing. Put your money where your mouth is. I’ll pay an equal percentage to help my own people who need it just as bad or worse. You pay who you think needs help, I’ll do he same.

“What is the administration’s answer?” asked Gutierrez. “To give him exactly what he said from this hatred. Because now, the administration has told us that if we’re going to have reform of our health care system … all those that go to the private sector in order to get their health care, that they will verify them. They will verify Social Security; they will verify their status in the United States of America.”
Umm…Mr. Gutierrez, did you just admit that Mr. Wilson was accurate in his verbal assessment of Mr. Obama’s factual accuracy during the aforementioned speech?

AS A CHRISTIAN – Christ teaches to love your neighbhor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, do the acts of charity. As far as I know AMERICA is built on Christianity – ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN and you cannot see a poor man get help or health care? THAT IS WHAT PRESIDENT WANTS TO GIVE A LIP SERVICE – YES – He meant that where is the moral compass and the character of All Americans to help the poor. My tax dollars went to unnecessary wars too!!!!! Let’s not be ignorant on this and uneducated!!!

The President has been making the same statements regarding illegal immigrants for months. Why is the Hispanic Caucus all of a sudden speaking out? Is it because the existing language allowed them to get around the system?
My point exactly.
Although I disagree with the outburst of Rep. Wilson, isn’t it time to confine your arguments to what he did and affirm that what he said was true.

The last time an illegal alien amnesty bill hit the Senate the vote was almost purely on party lines. Just enough Democrats voted against it to keep it from passing. Democrats now totally control both houses of Congress with an ultra-liberal president in the White House. The amnesty and citizenship bill will likely come up for a vote after the next election along with a return to the Clinton gun ban. Gutierrez’ complaint is only a ploy for the votes of those new citizens. The objections of current American citizens will never be heard.
Oh well, now at least the whites know how my ancestors felt when we were driven off of our land. Welcome to the club folks.

The proof of citizenship should be for any public option, not privately purchased insurance, for crying out loud. No one should have to prove they are citizens to buy a private plan.
That being said, if they don’t like it, they can always go back from whence they came.
It’s all about choice. You can choose to live here illegally, and sufffer the apparently very few inconveniences of that, or you can choose to leave.

Is this guy seriously looking for sympathy?

NEWS FLASH: U.S. Senate votes 83-7 to cut off funds to ACORN.
George, you and your cadre’ of “reporters” at ABC wouldn’t know a real story if it sat on your collective faces and wiggled.

“Hey, how about ABC reporting on the ACORN debacle,,,,”
Hahahaha… Now THAT is funny! Hahahaha…
And somebody ought to check and see if this Luis Gutierrez clown is a an Illegal Invader himself.

ABC= All Barry Chanel

PatriotChick sure is sure of her stance…
“two separate issues. The bill never extended coverage to illegals. That is issue one…”
with a 1000+ page bill, its understandable you are confused. One part of the bill says ““In order to have access to the credits under section 242 of H.R. 3200, individuals must be legally present in the United States and not in the country temporarily,” but it contradicts itself, and with that, according to the congress’ own research service:
“H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on non-citizens — whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently — from participating in the Exchange.” (CRS Report).
“…The second major loophole is the failure to require any meaningful verification procedure for taxpayer-subsidized insurance credits. Under the House bill, individuals who buy private insurance through the Exchange may receive an affordability credit to offset the cost of insurance. This credit is ostensibly limited to individuals lawfully present in the U.S., but CRS (like FAIR) notes the complete absence of any provision in the House bill that requires verification of eligibility for the affordability credits. Without such a mechanism, there is nothing in the bill that will prevent illegal aliens from receiving this taxpayer subsidy to buy private health insurance. ”
from http://www.fairus.org/site/News2/1929724780?page=NewsArticle&id=21337&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1012#1
so with a conflict and without a mechanism for verification, i side with the “the bill doesn’t bar them from getting insurance on my dime” case in point, why is this guy so mad? the illegals can still buy insurance ‘direct’ from companies like they can now with their stolen SS numbers?
it’s not like the exchange will be the ‘only’ way to buy insurance (or will it…)
so it takes more than just “not saying never extended coverage” but actually stipulating checks to deny coverage to those here breaking the law.
if anyone gets access to the Exchange, and there are credits to buy OTC/Private insurance if you make less than $xx,xxx – , then on the public option or not, illegals will be subsidized by people who are not getting the credit.
as a latino here legally, myself and my extended family (all also legal) i am infuriated by the ‘racist’ accusations when folks want to be sure illegals don’t get subsidized care – and the pandering for them by bozo’s like this, who are basically not upholding the constitution hurt latinos and *legal* immigration proponents in the eyes of average folks.
and as to issue #2: There is a difference between acute care for some one here on a tourist visa, and chronic care on the dole for someone here illegally, who isn’t just visiting.
no, healthcare is not a right. you have to understand, our constitution is not a list of positive rights (e.g.: “you get healthcare, you get into college, you get backrubs on Tuesdays, you get 50″ plasma TV’s to enjoy Obama’s speeches”) – it’s a limit of things the government cannot do to it’s citizens, to create an environment so people can work, struggle, live and prosper.
walking up to a doctor and saying “you must treat me for free** b/c it’s my right” abuses the hippocratic oath, and sets a precedent for an entitlist mindset in the receiver of goods and services, without any consideration (the financial type). A is A.
**and don’t give me “no, the doctor will be paid!” answer, oh yeah, by whom? the rest of us, struggling to pay for ourselves and our families. remember the gov’t doesnt have it’s own money – it has money it’s taken away from other people.

“Latino Lawmaker Rips Obama for Making It Harder for Illegals to Buy Private Insurance”
The audacity of thievery. Here’s a little reminder…if you are in the country illegally your only ‘entitlement’ is a free trip home. Voluntarily or in handcuffs is your own choice. Try ‘ripping’ into your own government for a change and give up the odious idea that you somehow have any rights to ‘rip’ into Obama, or play any part in our decision making process.

If Gutierrez and the rest of you want aliens to have free or subsidized health care coverage I’ll offer a compromise. You write the check.
If Gutierrez and the rest of you are willing to cover the cost without bothering the rest of us I don’t have a problem with it. Hope you have a fat wallet.

Anne:
Thanks Million! I agree with you 10,000%
Those who hate Rep. Guitierrz and all illegals are HATE MONGERS. I called them IGNORANT and UNEDUCATED poor feelas…. I am anglo too…

Gutierrez, abochórnate. You are a shame and a disgrace to our community, just as ACORN is for the african-americans.

No amount of money being withheld from the paychecks of illegals even begins to cover the cost of Medical, Education, Housing, Welfare, Foodstamps, WIC, Free School Breakfast/Lunch/
Dinner, Daycare/After School programs, Incarceration/Translation services, etc… not to metion the millions spent annually in the form of grants to these so called “Advocate” agencies – such as ACORN. If we want to get serious about the issue, here are a few things we might want to consider: Close the borders and put the National
Guard on duty with orders to shoot. Arrest every person found here who is not here with proper documetation. Deport and bill the governmentof origin for the transportation costs. Every current and potential employee should be screened through eVerify. Those who pass get hired, those who don’t get a vitit from ICE. Going forward place heavy fines on employers who knowingly hire illegals. Anytime an undocumented person shows up at the ER or Walk In for treatment, ICE should be called. Once treatment is completed the individual is deported. Ban the use of Federal funds for all social services for illegal aliens and eliminate federal grants to any organization who condones or represents illegal aliens. Recall every politician who condones or represents illegal aliens. Check the status of every student in the public schools and do not enroll anyone who does not have a US Birth Certificate or proper documentation. If these steps are taken, then Illegals will have to depend on charity to live here underground. Let’s see how many bleading heart liberals open up their wallets to keep them here.

And he made this “speech” in Spanish….talk about someone who is rubbing our face in it, that he is for Illegals first and the rest of America can go take a hike, just let us pay for it!

If Joe Wilson is not a liar, why is it that on two separate occasions the Democrats voted against provisions requiring proper documentation to obtain benefits? Because they knew that without verification illegals would obtain healthcare benefits, despite Obama’s hollow claims that his bill doesn’t cover illegals. Illegals can’t work in this country either and we all know how that one has worked out, don’t we?
The Democrats, with their belated attempts to cover their rears on the issue, have vindicated Joe Wilson.

I live in California and I know how hard these folks work. They are great people just trying to make a living.
Question: If you have a family of four including a Wife and Mother who works full time, the Father works 2 full time jobs and both are living on a non negotiable budget but they continually go over this budget by 20% each month for absolute necessities. Would any of you take away from your family unit to sustain someone you don’t know even if that person was a great person? This synthesizes the debate I believe.
Tina

“…Gutierrez said: “Those who should be our friends, our allies, are more and more giving Rep. (Joe) Wilson, R-S.C., exactly what he wants to continue with this prejudice against our community.”
If Gutierrez’s “community” is illegals, then Gutierrez himself should not be in office. But I’m sure it’s ok. I’m sure they voted for him. Twice. In different precincts.

what in the world is going on? Why aren’t we hearing about Acorn??? What are you hidding from us???

They should all be kicked out, starting with the thugs now in jail here. And, they have always have had free health care; they just how up at the E.R.’s and wait for hours, bring their lunch, and socialize until it’s time to see the doctor. Meanwhile, a U.S. citizen waits, too and gets worse because the waiting room is clogged with illegals. Where does it say we owe them anything?

My hart is bleeding:
An illigal having an car accident, we will let him die on the street instead of giving him ER services?
This has nothing to do with health insurance. That’s what the automobil insurance is here for. Are you to tell me illegals drive around without car insurances? Nooo

No one said YOU CANNOT BUY PRIVATE INS! What Americans dont want is ILLIGALS GETTING FREE GOVT INS OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR FREE FOR THAT MATTER!!!! They broke the law first and formost! But what do you expect from abc? Afterall they wont even go after Rangle who is breaking every tax law there is. This abc headline is so missleading its not even funny. No wonder abc is in the #### hole!

Best remedy: GRIP
GET RID of INCUMBENT POLITICIANS
Evidently the D.C environment is a poor one for those with little integrity to begin with, and, after a couple of terms in office, they are completely corrupt and have d3eveloped a messiah complex.
We the voters need to relieve current holders of office of their positions and initiate limits of no more than two terms in office so this sort of situation becomes considerably more difficult than it now is.
Time to clean House.

I feel for most of those who are illegal in our country. Those just trying to make a living. If they have the money I don’t see the problem with them buying insurance as long as there is no government money involved in any way. Why can’t the goverment of their home country pay for them? After all, they send home lots of money to families. The biggest reason I can’t support illegals is because they don’t want to assimilate into the population, but want to set up mini countries and live within that environment. If they do that they, and their children, will always be at a disadvantage. Everyone should have an opportunity to create a better life, and I believe those from the Southern boarder states, for the most part, want nothing more to make money and raise families, but that is not enough: you’ve got to want to be an American! That means accepting our culture and embracing our ways. That isn’t happening.

Hey Congressman,They are called illegals for a reason.They are here illegally.Deport them all and make them stand in line like everyone else.The whole system is so twisted that illegals are entitled to special rights while people who want to come here legally have to endure years of red tape and endless fees.how can they possibly be paying income and social security taxes if they are here illegally?How could they have possibly been hired if the corrupted system worked like it is supposed to.I thought the congress and the president took an oath to support and defend the constitution.Have you forgotten about that sir?

Apparently, “Congressman” Guiterrez did not comprehend that Oath of Office he swore to: “to protect and defend teh Constitution of the United States of America.” That’s the stumbling block for nearly all Democrats, they really do have a problem with lucidity where our Constititution (and their Oaths of Office) are concerned. The Constitution declares that the penalty for illegal aliens is deportation., not owning businesses, not opportunities for health insurance, not representation in Congress, just deportation.

“prejudice against our community.”
This is an issue of law and citizenship. Why do people like Gutierrez insist on trying to make it a racial issue?

A few points here. I want ALL illegals to buy health insurance, and car insurance. Anyone in CA can tell you illegals are a HUGE part of the problem with respect to car insurance. Crash into your car, and run like hell is what they ALWAYS do. They are also bankrupting the schools and hospitals. I would love for them to all buy insurance. If the clown in governemnt won’t close the border then at the very least get these people to kick in for some of the MASSIVE costs they contribute to.

Maybe for once President Acorn did not lie.
When he say illegals will not receive health care benefits he is in his twisted way telling what he believes to be the truth.
His health care program is not going into effect until 2013 I believe. By this time he plans on comprehensive immigration reform and making every last illegal a legal citizen.

Why pay for health care when you can get it for free. Even legal Mexican Americans can receive free health care!

if people do not have a s/s number and are here illegally they should not benefit from any healthcare plan.we should require all services in the emergency rooms to be paid by the patient or those responible for the patientnot the citizens or the government. mexico has a healthcare plan for all their citizens.let them go back to their own country. we should inforce the e-verify program with ALL employers.

Rep. L. Gutierrez,why the criticism in Spanish? You are an american rep. not one from a latin american county. Speak English, as many who come to my country do not speak, or take the time to learn Englsh. Go through neighborhoods in Los Angeles, Oakland and San Francisco,I hear very little to no English spoken.

oonogil2: “I don’t know about you but the 1040 I use requires a Social Security number. Anyone who doesn’t have a valid Social Security card hasn’t been paying taxes.”
I don’t know about you but last I checked a SS# is NOT the only number used to file taxes.
MBNA Joe: “What a bunch of crap!! No illegals pay taxes! They either work under the table or with fake SS #’s!”
Please refer to Jennife’s comment: “The people saying illegals don’t pay taxes – are you nuts?? Any of them that have jobs where they aren’t paid in cash (which is a large number) use SSNs that aren’t “fake”, they just belong to someone else.”
For your information and knowledge there is something called ITIN
(“An ITIN, or Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, is a tax processing number only available for certain nonresident and resident aliens, their spouses, and dependents who cannot get a Social Security Number (SSN). It is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number “9″, formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNNN).” -From the irs.gov website)
Bob: “Gutierrez must not believe in the law. Illegal immigrants are just that ILLEGAL. They don’t pay taxes, they contribute nothing and have no allegiance to our country.”
Refer to my two previous responses.

Everyone of our politicians should be doing what is best for America. We are a Nation ruled by law, not just when it’s convenient. Guiterrez should get real.

I can’t figure out why Gutierrez is supporting this administration’s effort to change health care. His arguments sound like he is wholeheartedly with the Republicans. Very odd logic.

“Issue two is that if a person who is in the country illegally gets into a horrific car crash (for example) and is taken to the ER — are we saying that he should be left on the doorstep of the hospital to die because of his immigration status?”
Of course not. Address his emergency medical needs first. Once he is stable, detain him as an illegal alien. Then, deport him back to his country of origin once he is well enough to travel. Then, bill the foreign government for the medical and travel expenses.

Just shows how far nuts-left the country has gone…

Pay taxes? Illegals don’t file tax returns, what taxes do they pay? Isn’t the whole point of hiring them to avoid minimum wage laws and payroll taxes? The left’s whole interest in health care is about insuring illegals, Obama says fine there won’t be any because I’m going to legalize all of them through amnesty, let’s insure the world!

George, wy do you and the mainstream media like ABC news continue to obfuscate and cloud the heath reform issue. You know as well as the radical Dems that the insurance companies selected to be part of the government “EXCHANGE” would be subsidized under the federal reform legislation. In effect by allowing illegal aliens to access the discounted insurance packages they would benefit from this reform. Man, why is it impossible for a liberal democrat or mainstream PC jouralist, to lay the cards on the table for the American public to see and decide. I can understand Rep. Luis Guitterez’ stance on the Health Care reform issue but he is a self proclaiumed advocate and enabler of illegal immigration. Is ABC cut from the same cloth as he only less honest.

Mr. Gutierrez is a lawless individual at heart. He should be thrown out of office. He doesn’t belong in the U.S. Congress. No one that advocates breaking U.S. immigration law does. It shouldn’t matter that he is hispanic. What if an Irish Congressman decided, that Irish, illegally here, must be given a pass. How about a Congressman with German roots. Anyone can see where this would lead in a short time. We would never be enforcing our immigration laws and would be overwhelmed with social problems, worse than we already have, in no time flat. Americans better think about this stuff, or it is going to affect them, their kids and their grandkids, economically, socially, and environmentally. NO nation can open its borders to the world and hope to survive, especially the U.S., because half the world would like to come to this blessed nation. People and groups that advocate massive immigration, whether legal or illegal, DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Maybe Mr. Guitierrez should run for office in Mexico and clean up their corrupt government so we don’t have to worry about all the illegals coming here.
What a joke this guy is.

patriotchick, offering EMERGENCY care is one thing. However, with taxpayer subsidized insurance, illegal aliens would become eligible for programs that they’re generally not able to access now, such as organ transplants. To get these, one criterion is the ability to afford the post-operative care including medications which illegal aliens generally can’t without insurance and even possibly with it. Why on earth would we want to make these and our routine healthcare system available not only to the illegal aliens already here, but to literally anyone who wanted to come here legally or illegally?

Nancy, maybe you should explain to Rep. Gutierrez that Hispanics AREN’T THE ONLY ILLEGAL ALIENS AROUND and that Hispanics don’t deserve any special rights to ignore the laws of this country any more than the Irish, Indians, Chinese, Poles, etc., do.

Jennifer said:
“The people saying illegals don’t pay taxes – are you nuts?? Any of them that have jobs where they aren’t paid in cash (which is a large number) use SSNs that aren’t “fake”, they just belong to someone else.”
Using somebody else’s SSN when applying for a job is employment fraud, which is a crime.

FYI, Rep. Guitierrez is of Puerto Rican descent. He is from Chicago, land of the corrupt politician, and his district has a high population of Hispanics. I live in his district, but I am not Hispanic. He is a far left liberal.
Other politicians from Chicago: Richard Daley, Rod Blagovich, and our President, Barack Hussien Obama.
Here’s part of an article from the Chicago Tribune last October:
“U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez personally lobbied Mayor Richard Daley to back a controversial multimillion-dollar development for a campaign contributor who had just lent the congressman $200,000 in a real estate deal, a Tribune investigation has found.
Now the congressman’s unusual gesture of support is under federal scrutiny as authorities investigate how developers overcame city planners’ objections to convert the West Side industrial site into a more profitable residential and commercial development.
Authorities have obtained Gutierrez’s July 7, 2004, letter to Daley—written on U.S. House stationery—as part of their grand jury investigation into how zoning works inside City Hall, sources told the Tribune.”
We are surrounded by crooks, liars and flim flam men.

…tell our good Latino congressman ( as opposed to Irish congressman…a term we don’t use…..Italian congressman, ditto……Polish congressman, ditto…got my point?…that hopefully any removal from consideration of ILLEGAL residents of our country should at least give pause to those folks before they SNEAK INTO THIS COUNTRY.

That Gutierrez is blasting Obama on this suggests that the final bill will probably not allow illegal aliens to get federal money under this program.
Either that or it is a pretty sophisticated good cop bad cop routine by the Democrats.

“After health reform passes, Obama will grant the Illegals amnesty next year so they can get full health coverage.”
It’s not up to Obama, it’s up to Congress.
If Congress passed an amnesty it would be political suicide for the Democrats.
Obama knows that, that’s why he has soft-pedaled the amnesty issue. He has to support amnesty in order not to alienate the special interest groups. But he knows amnesty is a political disaster.
He will make some half-hearted effort toward amnesty and then when it fails he will say he tried and he will be thanking his lucky stars that it failed.

Where do these ILLEGAL ALIENS get
off being being insulting because
they have no right to our medical
system. If they want health care
- gee – here’s a tough one. Go
home. You don’t want to be here
anyway or you’d learn our
language and customs. Until you
do, shut up or leave if leave you
don’t like it!

At the very least, there should be an ethics investigation on why a Congressman is advocating breaking the law and not upholding the oath of office he took. That is treason. If he loves Mexico so much, move there. Good luck getting a job or benefits, it is against the law there too. The difference is, they enforce it.

If the Feds were serious about enforcing
our laws, illegals would not be able to get jobs and would go home.
So if illegals are allowed to get and maintain jobs, why should we believe the
Feds will suddenly change and enforce the law when it comes to health care?
The politicians lost credibility when they broke their promise in ’86 to prevent illegals from working here.
So why should we believe ‘em now ?

I love to read all these comments, it’s funny to see the wide spectrum of takes on the subject. I would like to add the the following thoughts:
1) IF your here illegally you committed a crime
2) IF you file a fales return or use someone elses SS# you committed nother crime
3) IF you work here and fail to file a return -you committed another crime.
The fact that “we” continue to look the other way is amazing. Schools get federal funding for the kids of illegals- they(SCHOOLS)love it for the money- yet “we” look the other way.
Start prosecuting them for crimes against this country and guess what- they will quit comming back. Lord knows if I fail to pay or file MY taxes I have to go to jail- If they want to be treated equally as US citizens, lets start there before they are elidgable for mediacl bennifits.

Looking from the other side of things!
I don’t understand why everybody is so upset about illegal undocumented aliens coming across out national borders. Hasn’t anybody figured out why our government keeps skirting the illegal immigration problems in America? Since the baby boomers are hitting retirement age, who is going to pay for all of the benefits for social security and medical and what other programs still exist at the time! The Corporations know who!
What we really need to understand is that those “illegal poor folks” are going to get allot poorer after the corporations owned government gets through with them!
To start with most of the “good citizens” crossing illegally over our southern border will have to make a living to feed themselves and their families. There will be no work available and only to regular citizens so the chances of finding an employer who is willing to hire them illegally and pay them dirt wages will be difficult. Of course that also means that prices will have to go up to cover the fines and penalties imposed by the government for hiring illegal undocumented aliens in the first place! Then come the great American dream of owning their own home, having a family and becoming taxpaying citizens of the United States! They’ll get the opportunity to pay higher taxes, face discrimination on a daily basis, arrested and put into prison while the rest pay for their internment costs. Then, there is the mortgage that has to be paid every month or unless they’ll lose their American Dream Home! Then, there’s higher fess, special fees and higher property taxes, turning all of them into instant slaves to our American way of life. They’ll be paying for our accumulated dept, social security, Medicaid, medical and whatever programs that still exist at that point! Their children will experience our failed school systems first hand and many of them will not even finish high school. Instead the children will be out working next to their parents to save enough money for school clothes, food and school lunch fees utilities, car or truck payments and of course the mortgage. There will be a service change tacked on every bill they receive for some type of service they receive that keeps creeping up higher and higher as time go on! Now, let’s add a failed economy they have to survive in as well as stay out of trouble! “Attorney’s costs allot of money even for the simplest things and don’t forget traffic citations, fines and penalties for everything under the sun and add the national dept to work off. By the time those folks try to exist and get a handle on their lives, they’ll be too old to do anything about it!
“Welcome to America Amigos”