My Take On Obama’s Speech
If you needed any more evidence that passions run high on health care and America’s partisan divide cuts deep, it came tonight. When was the last time you heard a member of Congress (Joe Wilson of S.C.) call the President a liar during a joint session address? (Rahm Emanuel has already approached the GOP Congressional leadership and demanded an apology. John McCain has said Wilson should apologize, too. And just moments ago, Wilson bowed to the inevitable and apologized). For that matter, when was the last time you heard a President use the word “lie” in a joint session address?
I’ve never seen President Obama so emotional during a major speech. He pulled heartstrings early and effectively with his description of how insurance companies deny coverage to desperately ill Americans.
His anger over the tone of the debate and the tactics used by his opponents was palpable. A few sentences from the end, he choked up a bit. No Mr. Spock tonight.
He also laid out his most comprehensive and detailed explanation — and defense — of his plan yet. The passages where Obama laid out his insurance reforms will likely be most popular with the public. Those where he called out his critics on death panels, Medicare cuts and big government were essential — but the fact that the President had to spend so much time on defense is a sign of how effective his opponents have been. As the President acknowledged, “confusion has reigned” in the health care debate. Confusion is the enemy of reform. Obama likely cleared up much of that confusion tonight, but did he shake the confidence of his opponents in Congress? No evidence yet of that.
Best evidence? That laugh when Obama said many details still have to be worked out.
There were no new “red lines” tonight. For now, the only bill Obama says he will veto is one that adds to the deficit.
(And, according to the CBO, that could apply to bills already passed by House Committees)
But there were some new ideas from the President designed to demonstrate his bipartisan bona-fides. He endorsed the “high risk” insurance pools endorsed by John McCain during the campaign, and taxing some high-priced insurance plans.
He also said that his Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would implement state demonstration projects on malpractice reform first proposed but never implemented by Bush 43. To reinforce his determination to fight the deficit he outlined a “trigger” that would require the Administration to offer new spending cuts if promised savings don’t materialize. As described by Administration officials, the President would be required to come up with these savings in 2012 — before the Presidential election and before the health insurance exchange comes on line in 2013.
Even if Congressional Republicans find these moves unconvincing, Obama probably helped position himself back in the political center. More problematic for the President was his whole discussion of the public option. Because he couldn’t get Democrats to agree to an approach before the speech, he was forced to argue — simultaneously — that it was a good idea and not all that important. That’s a waste of precious time in a prime time address.
But it was necessary: because Obama can only unify Democrats at the end of this process if they feel their ideas got a fair shot at the beginning. And he will have to unify Democrats. Absent a dramatic and unforeseen shift, few if any Republicans will vote for the President’s plan. (In fact, it’s likely to happen only if Democrats demonstrate that they can’t be beat).
The President began to bring his party together tonight by laying out his plan with clarity, arguing for it with passion and pointing out the consequences of failure.
He also had some help — from Congressman Joe Wilson.
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As a conservative, I was appalled by the disrespect shown by Joe Wilson. Even if you disagree vehemently with the President,it is unthinkable to call him a liar during a joint session of Congress.
Posted by: The1337 | September 9, 2009, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
George-
You’ll always be a liberal at heart.
Posted by: Trey | September 9, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
In the first part of his speech, Obama also layed out a case that there IS momentum, however difficult the August recess was.
As to Joe Wilson, he should be reminded that, as a member of Congress if not merely as a citizen of the United States, one shows respect for the office even if one does not respect the man. Shame on him.
Posted by: M. H. Rudolph | September 9, 2009, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
I watched it tonight and he clearly said,”inspire”
Posted by: ralph | September 9, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Joe Wilson was very DISRESPECTFUL but should we expect anything different from the South Carolina Republican? He’s said out loud what he has probably been saying behind close doors but worst. I’m glad I don’t live in South Carolina and that’s what would be representing me. He can’t even agree to disagree. He probably didn’t mean that apology.
Posted by: Alberta Everett | September 9, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
I applaud Joe Wilson’s enthusiasm, but that was surely an ill-timed and career limiting move. Not helpful to those who may agree with him.
Posted by: Eric | September 9, 2009, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
I don’t see how anything will change regarding illegals. They won’t be covered under a plan, so they just continue to go to the emergency rooms. This will continue to cost billions of dollars. Also, how can the govt. force anyone to buy insurance? Will they be put in jail or fined? I don’t think so. They can’t be denied emergency room care under our existing laws. There are good parts of O’s plan which will help responsible people, but the deadbeats will continue to suck-up on the system. What a mess!!
Posted by: Betty W | September 9, 2009, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
i cannot believe that i voted for this guy. he doesn’t offer any solutions but just wants to stone wall. next time, miller has my vote.
Posted by: Jake | September 9, 2009, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
George, this is why I have such a problem with today’s “journalist”. You that the President was referring to Sarah Palin when he said the “death panels” were a lie. You know good and well that half of the entire republican party has been spreading this lie. Sure, she started it but they repeated it. The President was speaking to ALL of them and you know it. Why is it necessary that you people attempt to minimize the impact of whatever this President does, always throwing little digs and slants to persuade the American people that it was/is not as big a deal as it appears? Why do you do that? The truth of the matter is that this man is superior to any President we’ve had in the last 50 years. When it comes to intellect and political skills he is unmatched by any member of Congress. Do I agree with him on everything? NO! But the man is a certified Master of the game and you know it!
Posted by: dhampton100 | September 9, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
The President can tell you whatever he wants to about what is included or excluded in this health care bill to put the public at ease about it. But what really counts is what is finally written and passed! He is a politician and as we all know, they say a lot of things to get the votes but once they are elected, they find they cant always keep their word or produce their promises. And this speech was more of the same. There’s an old saying that goes “Don’t believe anything you HEAR and only half of what you SEE!!! Show me the bottom line in writing and then and only then I MIGHT believe him!
Posted by: JM | September 9, 2009, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
I don’t think that what Wilson did was any more disrespectful than the Democrats booing Bush during the inauguration. In fact, I think it was less disrespectful…
Of course, I watched a different speech from the one George watched. I saw Obama as angry, bitter and frustrated. I didn’t see any pulling of heartstrings.
Posted by: gabe | September 9, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
George, I agree with most of your comments and i think your analyzation is pretty much on target. I don’t think that i would call opposition to healthcare reform effective as much as i would call it chaos intended to muddy the waters and confuse the populace. Misinformation and confusing messages should never be considered effective.
Another point which you made that i have a different perception of is the President’s stance on public option. He appears to me to be 100 percent behind public option. When he said that it only affected less than 10% of the population, i think he was addressing the financial and capitalistic impact of a public option. He was just letting those who were against it know that there is a percentage of the population who seriously need it but that the government would ensure that it would participate in a competitive market. There is no straddling of the fence. He could never say to any American that the public option is not important. He was just letting all Americans and opponents know that public option was just one piece of the entire healthcare reform package.
Respectfully submitted: BVBeard
Posted by: Vern Beard | September 9, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
The president can only talk about what he has proposed and would like to see in the bill. With compromise in Congress, it may look like he’s not keeping his promise. No president ever sends legislation to Congress without it being modified, sometimes drastically. Health care reform is long overdue — it is foolish to think otherwise. The only legitimate argument that can really be made at this point against it is the prospective cost. Because any other argument boils down to saying that someone should be denied affordable health care.
Posted by: Ann | September 10, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
If the President gets any traction from the speech – he’ll have Rep Joe to thank. George the Dem partisan was moved… I as a GOPer was not. This was no game changer and the President needed that. Joe is an idiot – regardless of his opinion of the content of the address, he shows bad form in disrespecting the office of POTUS. It is also bad politics as the GOP must expend political capital in order to get back to arguing the substance of the fuzzy Obama plan.
Posted by: RB in DB | September 10, 2009, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Hey George.. did you call your wife and cry about how awesome the speech was?
Thanks for being there Mr. Unbiased ABC guy. Let us know what Rham and the boys have to say after tomorrows conference call.
Good night Dear. Dry your eyes. Everything will be fine.
Posted by: jlf | September 10, 2009, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Do I ever have buyer’s remorse! I voted for the guy – what a chameleon he is. He just DOESN’T GET IT! He continues to insult the people who have different ideas than his, and isn’t as open and willing to compromise and discuss things as his words say he is.
ACTIONS speak much louder than WORDS!!
Posted by: Jon | September 10, 2009, 12:11 am 12:11 am
The president is not a king that anyone should be expected to sit quietly while being lied to.
Posted by: Dave | September 10, 2009, 12:14 am 12:14 am
At mention of the Public Option Lindsay Graham almost clapped, but had to stop his self.
Posted by: CaDeb | September 10, 2009, 12:28 am 12:28 am
George,
When you can be real we’ll respect you a little more. I had to come over here to see how you personally would suck up to him. This president lies through his teeth. I counted 8 lies and contradictions from speeches he’s given just in the past 3 weeks about health care. Whatever the audience is the particular angle. Tonight what we got was a buffet of all you can eat crap. I’m really shocked you didn’t count the inconsistencies as a “major journalist” Thank God for twitter and the networks out there who don’t rely on you guys for truth. I will post these on my twitter for those who need facts and won’t get them from ole Georgie.
Posted by: Rick | September 10, 2009, 12:29 am 12:29 am
The Congressman was wrong. The Republicans and those against the plan the President laid out should coherently present their own options which cover the uninsured, do not make the insured change anything, curb medical malpractice claims, require that we all have health insurance just as states so car insurance, and tell us how they would pay for it. My concerns about the plan were put to rest. The lack of respect shown to the President was unaccpetable. We should be able to debate options honestly and fairnly without name calling and overstating the position of others. The behavior of Congress in this regard is appalling. mjb
Posted by: mjbarr | September 10, 2009, 12:33 am 12:33 am
This president is a full fledged narcissist. Everything is about him and control. Not having a dad, he has the Oedipus attention-god complex. Does Georgie not see this? Do you not see him stand there and soak it in. It’s like a drug high for him. This man and his people are about full control over people and society. Banks, Cars, Business, now Health care. Next on the todo list: energy, illegals, talk radio, internet and last: guns. Every Czar has a deadline of October 2010 HENCE, THE RUSH FOR EVERYTHING. The re-election of Barrack Obama will not be willful, it will be forced and crammed when the todo list is complete. I hope anybody reading this is not really that stupid. And part 2 of his reign will be Population Control and that my “Useful Idiots” is where you will no longer be needed…….
Posted by: Rick | September 10, 2009, 12:36 am 12:36 am
Ever watched the House of Parliament in England in action? It’s very lively and has much spirited debate with the Prime Minister right in the middle of it to take the tough questions. I highly recomment it. We should have such acess to our President and Congress instead of being to sit down and shut up.
As for the “health care plan”, exactly WHAT is the plan???? Obama hasn’t even presented a real plan yet. Alternating yes and no on public option only adds to the vagueness of the phantom plan. His speech was a complete waste of time.
It’s impossible to sell an overhaul of the health care system of the U.S. when over 80% of Americans are satisfied with their current plans. Most people are simply not willing to pay more and receive less for their health care.
Obama is lying when he claims “that any American who wants to keep their current health insurance may do so”. That’s a bold lie. The fact is most Americans aren’t in charge of their health insurance plans, their employers are. Employers, unions, would force their employees to take the public option in order to save themselves money while burdening the taxpayers with higher taxes and greater deficits.
A public option will result in less care and more cost. Not what I want for myself or my family.
The fact is we do not have unlimited resources in this country. We have limits on health care (not enough providers, doctors, etc.) land, water, food, energy and jobs. We must set strict limits on legal and illegal immigration if we wish to maintain our quality of life.
Obama has lost all credbility. He can’t reclaim it. Obama was and remains unqualified to be President. The democratic party needs new faces of leadership, Pelosi, Reid and the invisible DNC chair Kaine all must go.
Camille Paglia is right, the Democratic party has become elitist. Follow the money trail, you may not like what you find. If only the media had done it’s job and vetted Obama and tracked the money he would not be President today. Hillary would. It’s time to rectify the tragic mistake and replace all leadership, Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the invisible DNC chair Kaine.
Hillary 2012.
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Posted by: T | September 10, 2009, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Lipstick on a Pig. Will your Congress Person read the bill before they sign it? George, is it true that you have calls with the White House on a regular basis for talking points and the like?
Posted by: TJSDC | September 10, 2009, 12:40 am 12:40 am
United we stand?
Divided we fall!
Posted by: Samantha B. | September 10, 2009, 12:44 am 12:44 am
“I don’t see how anything will change regarding illegals. They won’t be covered under a plan, so they just continue to go to the emergency rooms.”
Betty W | Sep 9, 2009 11:36:10 PM
Technically, under US tax law they would be required to purchase health insurance on their own dime or face fines. Not too bad really – they are explicitly excluded from the subsidies and aid portion, but implicitly included in all the penalties for not having their own coverage. Due to the difficulty in enforcement, not much better than now, but certainly the intent is right.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 10, 2009, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Joe Wilson is a animal with no class.
Posted by: Mr C | September 10, 2009, 12:47 am 12:47 am
The speech really raised my doubt about Obama’s health plan, more so than before. How does this insurance exchange work? We are forced to purchase insurance and we can only depend on market competition to drive the cost down? Simply by sheer numbers? It may be lower-priced insurance in the exchange, but how much lower?
This so call “affordable options” is not a public option, and from what I see is a profit driven, market driven insurance exchange program. We don’t know how much the cost can go down after many people are all forced to be in this insurance exchange. What government will do about cost control in this exchange other than addressing malpractice and waste and fraud in medicare? I don’t see other control measures for people in this insurance exchange. Insurance companies are surely the winner. They must be absolutely thrilled after hearing tonight’s speech.
Besides, this exchange will take effect in four years. So we won’t know if it works before 2012?
Posted by: solph | September 10, 2009, 12:50 am 12:50 am
To all those that say Obama and the Democrats plans include illegal s=citizens really do need to read the plans. Someone said that they read it and that it covered illegals. So my question is this. What does the statement
“Eligibility extends only to those who are US citizens and LEGAL immigrants of the United States.” Now does that stop them from going to emergency rooms? No. But how do we curtail that? Do you want to be the man who arrests someone who is trying to get help to repair his son’s broken arm? But besides all that, I encourage people to read the FULL and actual texts of bills that are uncompromised (In other words don’t read the excerpts Faux News and the National Review). Did you all know that the official text that Gingrich and Palin called for death panels says? It states explicitly that doctors should collaborate and inform each other on “LIFE PRESERVING BEST PRACTICES”! That statement turned into “Death Panels with power to say who lives and dies.” Don’t believe me? Check out the last health bill. Warning: It is usually not posted on conservative sites. In fact one site mixed and matched different sections of the bill so as to “prove” their points. But if you look hard you can find the bill in its entirety without any changes.
Posted by: Colin.G | September 10, 2009, 12:50 am 12:50 am
President Obama addressed my concerns but did not discussed why HEALTHCARE needs to be financed. If the American people would be able to keep their health insurance, either through employment or personal health insurance, and the public option would be for those who did not receive both, but Insurance would provide health insurance at a affordable cost, and if he mandates all Americans to get minimal health insurance, then why is financing so important? Is he talking about the mentally ill? And what’s the dollar sign on affordable (what’s the limit). I’m only 21 years of age and do not understand! So please, inform me… I’m just trying to understand! Thanks!
Posted by: Ray Dickerson | September 10, 2009, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Hi,
I enjoy This Week. I think you and your team are doing an awesome job, objective, informative and on point – most of the time.
I am for the President’s Health Care Plan and the Public Option.
1) Please ask those who have no health care.
2) Ask those parents with kids with special needs what to do when Johnny gets sick. Without something they will use the ER as a first and last option.
3) Ask what was the purpose of the HMO/PPO plans when they were introduced and have they helped to control cost and improve care?
4) Ask the people do they really trust the insurance company’s to have their best interest at health- the members care? Think about the number of Hospitals, Clinics, Doctor’s and Insurance company who daily over change with intent, deny coverage knowing people will or could die.
5) I ask you to ask every member of Congress to live below the poverty line for their entire time in Congress, no health care, with children, in homes that a dog should not live in.
6) I think they, Congressman, forgot the people they serve, they only remember the Political Action- Fee for service people.
Finally, ask the most important question is this debate more about the President being African-American (racial) When I hear the tone, and the words use I hear back to the 1960′s
Posted by: darnell | September 10, 2009, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Please lets not generalize the citizenry of a state like SC from the actions of a few. “We’re not the Red States of America or the Blue States of America, but the United States of America.” The mood in this country right now reminds me of Europe right before WW I.
Posted by: CB | September 10, 2009, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Regarding 80% of people being satisfied with their health insurance, that’s because most people are healthy and don’t need to make a big claim. The problem is that we never know when we will become one of the 20% who needs it, only to see it withheld when needed.
That pretty much flies in the face of the whole concept of insurance. We pay the premiums for the peace of mind of knowing we are covered, but we now know that you are only covered as long as you stay healthy, or your claims amount to less than what you pay in premiums.
Posted by: CB | September 10, 2009, 1:35 am 1:35 am
Speaking as a guy who has health insurance, and as a taxpayer, I thought the speech was useful for two reasons: (1) it does open the way to a more civil debate, and (2) set down the parameters within which there can be a workable plan that finds passage. I agree, the partisanship was a little transparent, but I can’t say that the opposition has had anything better to offer on that front up to this point. I have experienced the good and bad of what a public option might look like: from a client at sliding scale public clinics, to an exam at an army recruiting station, to Peace Corps service overseas. We can do this, and we can trust each other to make the outcomes work better for each other, or else this isn’t America anymore.
Posted by: Chuck | September 10, 2009, 1:45 am 1:45 am
Obama is a very intelligent person. He has a level of confidence that surpasses that of an average human being. No wonder most Republicans are afraid of him.
Posted by: what667 | September 10, 2009, 1:54 am 1:54 am
What amazes me is all the vitriol from so many folks about the speech. What Wilson said is emblematic of what conservatives all around the country–and in this response thread–have stooped to: bitter and angry name-calling and fact-less hyperbole. There were many, many times when the words that came from Bush 43′s mouth sent me into orbit with anger, but I never would have dreamed that anyone who considers himself a decent American would have called him a liar during his address. Totally un-American, and yet increasingly the M.O. of many conservatives.
Posted by: michael | September 10, 2009, 2:02 am 2:02 am
Rick,
I’m sure you get all your “truth” from Fox news, you know those “fair, and balanced” guys. As for Presdent Obama insulting the people that disagree with him, Obama’s been called everything from a liar, a Muslim, a Socialist, non-patriotic, a non-citizen, and worse. And the GOP’s feelings are hurt? Give me a break. For some people no matter what Obama does, in their minds he’s going to be wrong. Obama could restore sight to the blind, and make the lame walk, and Republicans, and Conservatives would complain he’s practicing medicine without a liscense. The President has been listening to the GOP. The problem is all they ever say is no, no, no.
Posted by: Randy | September 10, 2009, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Rep. Joe Wilson Sorry For Calling Obama Liar During Congress’ Joint Session
This had to be the most stupid thing a bonehead person could do in the middle of a Presidential Speech in the Halls of Congress.
Mainly selected Republicans have constantly attacked President Obama during his first 100 days of office.
Every turn or program put forth by this President has come under attack even before programs were fully off the table explaining the details of it. This is a disgrace. Let’s be real! The RNC elected a black person to undermined President Obama’s Election. This continue with his stimulus package despite many of us today is not eating Spam and surplus Cheese right about now. Last month the President was attacked even before his speech was written and proof read for an address to the Children of the America encouraging them to please stay in school. When all was said and done, there was nothing harmful in the speech at all. Even thou the President give one hell of a speech on the Health Care Package he was heckled by a respectable honorable representative of the Congress Of The United States Of America. Congressman Wilson had no point to prove other than to disrupt and showboating. The Halls of Congress is sanctuaries were all Presidents come to voice their proposals. Respectable this is where all Presidents get a chance to do this uninterrupted. Congress Wilson knew this so I’m somewhat left to believe (unless he is just downright stupid) someone put him up to this or he may have been paid to do that. Either way it was not a bright thing to do.
I pray the Sergeant Of Arms to the House Of Congress see that this kind of actions never happens again. I believed this Congressman might also have a sign in his hands. If this is true, it may meant he truly intended on disrupting President Obama’s Speech and it was no accident of an overly excitement outburst.
Posted by: Pedro Dixon | September 10, 2009, 2:06 am 2:06 am
As a Republican who voted for Obama I would have to say I spent my vote correctly. My party embarrassed me tonight with the childish signs, the cat calls and the despicable actions of Mr. Wilson.
Will Obama do everything with perfection? No but he is going down the path he promised in his campaign and that is all anyone should ask of him.
Good take on the evening George and don’t let the mouth breathers on here get you down. It’s not your fault your parents allowed you to form your own opinions and didn’t pull you out of school due to fear mongering.
Posted by: Deanna | September 10, 2009, 2:07 am 2:07 am
Obama did NOT appear presidential at all. He spoke more like a WWF Wrestler the night before the fight – smearing his opponent in a petty way that would normally be viewed as entertaining if he weren’t in such a serious position of authority. His accusations were not helpful to this speech.
Posted by: AmeriKa | September 10, 2009, 2:24 am 2:24 am
Obama: “We’re not out of the woods yet” . . . “I pulled this economy back from the brink”
Well which is it?
Sounds like the premature “Mission Accomplished” quote we heard from Bush when he thought the war had ended, but didn’t.
Posted by: AmeriKa | September 10, 2009, 2:34 am 2:34 am
So, in his speech, when Obama cites these examples from the mastectomy example to the man with cancer who died, but then is earlier heard saying “most Americans are satisfied with their health care” because a poll conducted by CNN and Rasmussen showed 80% of Americans are happy with their health coverage – it sounds to me that Obama is playing Mr. Slick Willy. That is, he is “acknowledging” the facts (80% satisfaction with health care) in passing while ginning up fear and outrage using these 2 examples just so he can whip up a crowd to emotionally jump on board HIS novelty instead of what America really NEEDS: Real reform not a government health option.
Posted by: AmeriKa | September 10, 2009, 2:42 am 2:42 am
For me this is an important issue. We have seen our insurance go from $500 – $1000 per month from 2004 to now, and mind you our overall income has gone down. For this to be such a partisan issue makes me throw up. Why can’t we talk about the real problem as opposed to bickering. This President is trying to do the best, but he was handed a pretty bad hand, only a fool/blind can ignore that.
I am an independent, if that mattered.
Posted by: Allison | September 10, 2009, 3:09 am 3:09 am
President Obama explained in very clear terms what the Health Care reform is about. My wife and I, both over 64 years support it.
Fight on!
Posted by: Karl Nobuyuki | September 10, 2009, 3:14 am 3:14 am
I just don’t see how he is realistically going to pay for this and he offered nothing new on this. You can’t increase care for 30 to 40 million more people, with the same number of doctors,plus improve health care and lower costs, dem or rep come on!!!!
Posted by: joe oddo | September 10, 2009, 3:19 am 3:19 am
There are people wired to hate this man, regardless of what he says or does. Although he has stuck to his promises for his nine months in office, they regard everything he says as a lie. When he extends a hand to all, they spit on it. While is is respectful of his critics, unthinkable slurs are uttered by them.
And you think this has nothing to do with race? I think most of the haters are conscious of their racism, but throw up ‘death panels’ to put an acceptable face on it. They focus their imagination on the possibility that swarms of Mexicans will get their tax dollars. They consider themselves the historic victims of the civil war, and would like to fight it again, and are worried about a new southern front.
Here’s the question: We have a problem to solve. We’re at great peril if we fail to address it. No one disputes that. Are these people so filled with poison that they will take us all down rather than accept real solutions from the only person and party in the room with the courage to offer them?
Posted by: Darrell Icenogle | September 10, 2009, 7:12 am 7:12 am
I applaud Joe Wilson’s enthusiasm
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Enthusiasm? It was utter lack of self-control and dignity. More like an embarrassment. When a democratic country can no longer engage in civil debate it is on a slippery slope to anarchy. And that is where I feel we are right now….too many feel no government is good government..The strength of a democracy is inclusion of many ideas and compromise….It seems to me those opposing Health Care simply are looking for justification to do the easy thing….nothing…
Posted by: indy_voter | September 10, 2009, 8:00 am 8:00 am
The president should have come out and said America I heard you in August. Instead we got a very partisan speech. Remember he wanted to ram this thru before the August break, in less time than he took to pick out a dog for his kids. The more we learn about Obamacare the more we don’t like it. He is in over his head.
Posted by: Besterlyn | September 10, 2009, 8:06 am 8:06 am
Didnt hear anything we didnt already know. He was more desperate but that was about all. Its still a massive debt that will be left to our children. Hopefully the three democrats and three republicans can work something out that wont cost an arm and a leg! They need at least one doctor on their panel, however. Thought the guy from Louisiana did a pretty good job considering he had about 1/10th the time that the pres had. I also didn’t believe Obama when he talked about tort reform. Nothing will be done there – too many lawyers in Washington.
Posted by: M. Summer | September 10, 2009, 8:06 am 8:06 am
When the president says there is no provision in the bill for illegals to get taxpayer funded care, what he doesn’t say is there is no provision for enforcement. They don’t have to prove citizenship. Rep. Wilson was right.
Posted by: Besterlyn | September 10, 2009, 8:10 am 8:10 am
For those independents and moderates that voted for “Change they could believe in”, they are finding out they got Change from WHAT they believe in. And they don’t believe in the Socialism/ Marxism oozing from the Whitehouse.
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Posted by: Besterlyn | September 10, 2009, 8:13 am 8:13 am
I hope this passes because my 95 year old grandma needs a heart transplant and they said there was no rationing so she should get it.
Posted by: billy clinton6767 | September 10, 2009, 8:21 am 8:21 am
It’s virtually meaningless to argue that because 80% of Americans are perfectly fine with their health care plans that reform shouldn’t be undertaken. The fact is that at any time any one of these 80% of Americans could find themselves unemployed and potentially footing the bill for their own health insurance. And depending on their situation with respect to pre-existing conditions, etc. you would suddenly see them flocking to the other 20% side. Just because 80% of people have it good now doesn’t mean it will last. America needs universal coverage. Every other modern civilised democracy has it. It’s immoral that the United States does not have it. I do hope America sees the light and Obama wins this.
Posted by: George | September 10, 2009, 8:27 am 8:27 am
He did the “expected” good job. He pulled together what most of us already do agree on and that was good for the country to see.
On the point of illegals though, while I was happy to see him firmly state they are not going to be covered by this beast, he conviently left out the obvious next question => So what will happen when they show up at the ERs and other facilities across the country?
The appropriate answer is if they don’t provide some insurance, they do NOT get treatment. This is IMPERATIVE if he thinks he is going to tell every American the MUST purchase health insurance.
2nd, I hope he ready to go make those cuts he mentioned. There is no way on earth he is going to cover the cost of this thing with the methods he has outlined. As I heard many people after the speech state, If there really were this 500 Billion sitting there for the taking as it were, someone would have already gone after that. Especially if they could ACTUALLY prove it is waste & fraud because then you would not have the seniors up in arms.
Given the deficit and other issues, I agree that if this was so easy to identify, a great number of politicians on BOTH sides would have targeted that money for many different things over the past years.
I suggest that we specifically indentify this money and have a commision made up primarily of seniors along with a group of bi-partisan Congressmen to then examine the specific chunks of money identified to guarantee this money is not going hinder the delivery of services.
On the point of Mr. Wilson’s inappropriate outburst, It was wrong and he will certasinly pay a steep price for it in the days ahead. No matter what your disagreements are with the President, that setting is NOT the place for that kind of outburst.
Posted by: Mike_C | September 10, 2009, 8:32 am 8:32 am
It’s very hard to be respectful of Obama because he is so disrepectful of the people. He should be doing more about jobs and then, with the health care changes the Republicans have suggested everything would work itself out. The American people are amazing and need the government to get out of their way.
Posted by: Jackie | September 10, 2009, 8:34 am 8:34 am
Well, I AM one of the ones who are happy with their current insurance, and I even had cancer three years ago. Guess what? No one’s tried to kick me off of it yet and my premiums haven’t skyrocketed like some would lead you to believe happens when you become very ill. Each and every case is unique. Just be prepared, though, if this train-wreck of a bill gets passed. People need to understand that it won’t be the magnificent, shiny key to the gate of the golden city. This form of healthcare will come with its own set of problems, which may in the end, be much worse than what we have now. The old saying of “be careful what you wish for, because you may just get it,” certainly fits in this case.
Posted by: Aaron | September 10, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am
jhw539…….In the house bill it says if you are illegal you can not get Gov. ins. then it says the gov. insurance campany can not ask for ID to prove you are a citizen. I know the illegals wouldn’t lie would they. They are so truthful that is why they are here illegally. The Rep tried to add an ammendment to check the citizenship but the Dems stopped it.
Posted by: dsimms | September 10, 2009, 9:00 am 9:00 am
The president said in his new Health Care Plan we will have a choice for a more affordable health care insurance and we can shop around for the best plan for an affordable price. Where have I heard this before (Hmm) let me think Texas (Deregulation) of the Utility Companies where we have a choice of power to choose, making companies more competitive and lowering the cost, yet we are paying more than before deregulation.
I just wonder what kind of contracts they will have for us to sign. Just like the phone companies and the power companies when we were told that Texas deregulation would bring about affordable and lower cost power. Will the contracts be for two years, five years, or ten years and what would be the early cancellation fees and how are people going to pay for this Insurance if they have no jobs? You guys know that these health Care Companies are going to require term contracts so get read now for the truth now, don’t be blind sided again with this reform.
Reford12
Posted by: Redford12 | September 10, 2009, 9:08 am 9:08 am
George, you have got to be kidding. The President said nothing new, only tried to show how upset he was with everyone who disagreed with him.
Doesn’t he know we have been going over this same ground for over 50 yrs. It is still about government control or we would have worked down to the basic nuts and bolts of this topic by now. If this is the best we can do after 50 yrs, wow.
Posted by: James L. | September 10, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am
While Rep. Wilson’s comments are the big fuss of the morning, I don’t really see what the big deal is. American politics have hardly been civil. All you need to do is go back through the history books and read that things far worse have been said, written and done to American presidents. Just consider many of the things Edwin Stanton, a member of Lincoln’s own cabinet, said about him.
Regardless, one fact cannot be overlooked. The President has lied, repeatedly on the content of whatever health care proposal he supports. From the cost, whether or not abortion will be covered and whether or not you’ll be able to keep your current coverage, on all of these and other topics the President has borne “false witness.” Even the non-partisan Annenberg Public Policy Center’s web site makes this very clear.
It would only be fair to point out that the President is not the only one who has put forth such lies, and again the Annenberg website is more than willing to call out both sides of the debate.
Was Wilson’s comment inappropriate? Perhaps. Inaccurate? Not really. Career threatening? Very well could be. But maybe if both sides of the aisle actually started dealing with the truth the American public might not be so skeptical. Then again, asking a politician not to lie is probably asking for too much.
Posted by: thlipsis29 | September 10, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am
The republicans also want malpractice overhaul. In other words take from the public and give to the rich… the insurance companies will make tons of profit if they cap the malpractice insurance… their rates won’t go down but their profits will go up.. I think that all insurance should be able to be bought across state lines… in georgia they made auto insurance mandatory and the insurance premiums are outrageous.. the same with health insurance if they make it mandatory
Posted by: Howie | September 10, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am
The real story is Obama’s vision for healthcare reform, and the potential damage to the country if he gets his way, not an unfortunate outburst by a SC congressman.
After the failed stimulus, bloated debt-laden budget, and unknown cap and trade bill, I do not trust Barack Obama. He is a master campaigner, but inept leader. He did not address my fears last night, he dismissed them. Healthcare is too personal to Americans to trust the lofty, questionable rhetoric of Obama.
Posted by: Donna | September 10, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
I listen to the podcast of President Obama’s weekly radio address, and I think it would be extremely beneficial if his other speeches (like last night’s, or his address to school children, etc.) could also be broadcast in that feed. Is there any way to make this happen?
Posted by: Lauren Cocilova | September 10, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Anyone who disagrees that major reform should not take place is either rich or blind. For those of us who are self-employed or under employed, we are getting our butts whipped. Something has to be done and I feel Obama’s passion to be the one who makes this happen. All other Presidents gave up as soon as the pressure became too much. I admire his tenacity.
Posted by: Coach D | September 10, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Joe Wilson is my hero!
He is the only man in that room last evening who spoke the truth.
He had the guts to say what many of us have felt since we heard the name Obama.
Posted by: sara | September 10, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Howie,
Health insurance stocks are one of the least profitable industries. Lawyers make the money in mal-practice cases, not the poor. How do you think John Edwards became a multimillionaire.
Posted by: Donna | September 10, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
It is time for us to put first things first. Too much fighting going on and not enough solving. Obama is trying to solve problems but it is almost impossible to do in such a divided country.
Posted by: Coach D | September 10, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am
George,
What has happened to you guys(ABC journalists)? I used to watch you and Gibson, and now the only way I can actually get truth and objectivity is radio and Fox news. What a shame. Obama IS a liar! You know it too if you’ve read the bill. Maybe some one (don’t worry I don’t mean you) should ask the question, why is he so hot to make sure this passes soon and that the govt. run part is in there? There are more important things happening like thugs taking over the white house, an economy that is far from recovered, unemployment at new high etc. I know obama hasn’t listened to the people this summer have you all? What will you tell your daughters some day?
Posted by: Christine | September 10, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
I was very anxious to hear the President’s speech. I was hoping for some solid answers to the questions of how he wants this reform to take shape. Once again he is still in campaign mode. Few solid answers, only empty promises that can’t be kept.
Posted by: REC | September 10, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
I was horrified by the disrepect shown President Obama by Joe Wilson. That was not “enthusiam,” but practiced disrespect run amuk.
Posted by: Kathy P | September 10, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Technically, under US tax law they would be required to purchase health insurance on their own dime or face fines. Not too bad really – they are explicitly excluded from the subsidies and aid portion, but implicitly included in all the penalties for not having their own coverage. Due to the difficulty in enforcement, not much better than now, but certainly the intent is right.
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There you go JOB CREATION!!!! See a person vith vision would see this as a opp. to creat a whole new job market. Insurance police!
Posted by: YaYa | September 10, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Did any of you bigots out there sense even a small amount of compassion from the PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES?
He was pleading with the citizens of this country to unite and work with him towards a plan that will be fair for all citizens.
“Rome wasn’t built in a day!”
And we can’t expect this wonderful man of integrity to fix the ills of a country still ravaging with hate and malice in 365 days or even four years.
God help us all!
Posted by: angela singleton | September 10, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
the president spoke nothing new last night. offered no details to rebuff critics. critics point to page, paragraph, line of the bills in committee.
just leading the deaf and the dumb
oh and 2004 dems boo pres bush during a state of the union. check the tapes and do some actual reporting not just white house talking points
Posted by: arr120 | September 10, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
george where is the president going to get the money to pay for it.if health care is high how it is going to get bigger check medicare dedit.i feel the president has become the puppet of congressmen peliso
Posted by: joyce | September 10, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Maybe illegals will not get access to health insurance. But, Obama has not yet presented his Amnesty Program where all illegals will be granted citenzenship.
Posted by: Ken | September 10, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Dear George,
I listened to President Barack Obama’s speech last night and he had a few acceptable ideas. A few are pre-existing conditions, dropping coverage, Caps out-of pocket expenses. Which because of their very nature will increase the cost of health insurance. The pre-existing conditions came about from people gaming the insurance companies. They would buy the plans that were cheap and did not cover much and then when they got sick wanted a plan that covered their illness. Insurance companies need protections also.
My biggest objection to President Barack Obama health care plan is the government HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE or any other federal government group that will set the details of what all insurance plans must contain. This is federal government running the nation’s health care totally. I rather fight with an insurance company then with the federal government. The federal government does not play fair. I know I worked for the federal government for 42 years. If the big federal government does not provide what I want then I am out of luck. I will not be able to get health care even if I was rich and could pay for it myself. The President’s plan is not sustainable. If one private insurance company does not have what I want another company competing for my business will. Of course I will need to pay my share of the projected cost of the risk. I know that right now I am covered by two government insurances plans Medicare and blue cross blue shield (I have stayed with Blue Cross/Blue Shield since I started work in 1962). The federal employee plan is good since it is run by a very large employer, and not because it is run by the federal government. It is also expensive. It seems everything that is good is expensive. Medicare is expensive, bad and restrictive. Not all valid medical cost is covered. Have you ever read any of the Medicare CFR’s. I did when I worked for HEW. I am for the elimination of Medicare as we know it.
I also do not like the federal commission that will run the health care business. As I see it the logical progression will be for this commission and Medicare to merge. Which will in fact be a single payer system that is disguised as private insurance that is just administering the collection of premiums and the disbursement for health care payments. This is what Medicare is now. The one exception is that Medicare collects the “premiums” in the form of a “tax” over the working lifetime of people. These taxes are disbursed only after the person is age 65 except for a few disabilities that has been in existences for two years and is expected to result in death. Then Medicare hire companies to disperse the payments based on the Medicare rules of what can and cannot be paid for. This may not be one of the talking points in The President’s plan but as a retired federal employee I know that will happen. If not as part of the law proposed but soon after. So the President’s plan is in fact a single payer system where the federal government will be setting all of the rules as to what is covered and what medical cost will be paid for as to kind and amount..
We do now have universal health care in the US. Anyone can go to a DR. and get treated. Before Medicare and other health insurance Doctors would have a sliding scale and also do charity care. That is becoming less and less as the government gets involved. Medical cost is expensive due mostly to the introduction of advancements in the technical equipment used to do medical care. New equipment, new drugs, new procedures these are all good, why does The President’s plan want to stop all of the progress in the improvement in health treatments.
The federal government’s involvement in the business of health care is getting too big to succeed.
The President talked about the savings that can be made from fraud, waste and abuse. Well as you may know as I do from my 42 years of Federal Government service the Federal government has been working on this for a very long time. From time to time there has been savings from the discovery of fraud, waste and abuse. But apparently not enough since the President wants the savings to pay for and make health care affordable for over 40 million people with the discovery and elimination of fraud, waste and abuse.
I want to make it very clear that I do not support the President’s plan for health care. His plan is in fact a federal government takeover of health care in the US. Medicare is a takeover of health care for those of us age 65 and over. Please cast my vote against the President’s plan.
Thanks
AL
Posted by: Al | September 10, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
I don’t believe most of the statements made by the president, but it was wrong to shout at him during his speech. That doesn’t change the facts that nothing concrete was explained, nothing about the fines people will be forced to pay should the IRS deem them capable of paying for insurance, nothing about how company benefits will evaporate once corporate bean counters see paying fines is cheaper than paying for benefits, nothing convincing about the true cost to taxpayers. Obama said nothing new and returned to his worn out chorus of disdain for those who disagree with him.
Posted by: Pam | September 10, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
In Massachusetts, where mandatory health insurance has been in place for over a year now, and upon which much of the proposed reform is based, all taxpayers are required to furnish proof of insurance on their state income tax forms. If you don’t have insurance, financial penalties are levied. Only problem is, illegal immigrants fly under the tax radar. They don’t file income taxes because they pay no taxes in the first place. They’re paid in cash.
Posted by: Happygoin | September 10, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Joe wilson is the least of obamas problems. his biggest problem is back in front of reporters and old JEREMIAH is liable to spill the beans.
Posted by: rking | September 10, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Illegals will continue to use the emergency rooms. Even if there are fines–do you really think they will pay them? Are the fines lower than the cost of going to the emergency room? The cost to go to the hospital will not go down for the rest of us. They won’t lower their fees. That’s the nature of business. They don’t go back down–they stay high even if their costs are lower. They have to make up for all the past costs of not getting paid by the uninsured. Also, is it constitutional to FORCE everyone to get insurance? It’s NOT the same as Auto Insurance. An individual cannot injure someone else — a car can. Also, you can choose not to own a car. Therefore you don’t have to have auto insurance. There is NO WAY “we” can come up with the money to pay for this simply by getting rid of Government Waste and Fraud. If that were so, we wouldn’t have the problems with Medicare & Medicaid right now. We all know how Government runs things…. We will have to set up 100′s of Bureaucracies just to handle all of this — How much will that COST???
Posted by: Karin B | September 10, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
The Republican party is a mirror image of the Confederacy during the Civil War. They just don’t get it. The GOP has become a small, bitter, hate filled group. They are a horse hitched to a wagon that doesn’t want to pull in a foward direction. At least the country got to see them in action last night. What a shameless, disrespectful display put on by Eric Cantor and Mr. Wilson.
Posted by: KPIonia | September 10, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
I think that having health care would be bad. If one of you could tell me why does PEOPLE from Canada come to the United States for treatment. Cause the Canada Health Care System SUCKS!!!
Posted by: tyler | September 10, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Time to secede from the Union!
Posted by: LAF | September 10, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
The reason people are losing thier healthcare is because they are losing their jobs. The reason Obama doesn’t really care if the economy tanks is because more people can depend on his “government option”. It’s in his plan of course.
What is even more disturbing is that he is going spend 900 billion dollars over the next 10 years for this.
My question is: How can private insurance survive if people on the “government plan” are getting medical treatment as good as the people on their own private plan ??
Wait until the bill comes in, businesses and people will be paying huge taxes, which incidentally discourages them from hiring people.
Good luck finding a job you Obama supporters.
Posted by: PSteel | September 10, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
President Obama gave a good speech. He clearly said that each of us would have to take part, including those who are uninsured. He stated a fact that the insured pick up the tab for the uninsured already, so a minimum coverage plan by the uninsured is FAIR. As for the public option, he clearly stated that the option would be paid for by premiums ONLY thus limiting its reach and obligations. That’s an open question but, I’m willing to wait for the details. As for illegals, he stated that no federal funding would be used to subsidize insurance COVERAGE for illegals. As it pertains to providing health SERVICES to illegals, enforcement of such a plan is a non-starter and a red-herring. Think about it. 1,000′s of accidents occur every month in every state, some fatal no matter how much insurance coverage a person has. What do paramedics do for illegals? What do firefighters do or police officers or school nurses or emergency room doctors do? How does the federal government enforce such a plan? Fines seem the most likely but, who do you fine? The paramedic? The firefighter? The hospital? How much do you fine them? How do these entities recoup their money? Raising rates seems logical. So, should we close hospitals that give care to illegals? Fire the paramedic that drives them to the hospital? All of this is in the effort to abide laws that WE decide to follow. How far will we go to abide by laws that we’ve written and how far will we go to enforce those laws. If the millions being spent on emergency room visits is your problem, there’s room for compromise as stated by the President. If you believe we are the kind of America that leaves the injured to die outside hospitals and at accident sites without rendering aid, think again. I hope someone does a poll for you.
Posted by: Shannon | September 10, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Basically government don’t trust american people run health care insurance companies and people don’t trust government neither.
no one talked about who caused the problem for medical insurance problem, it’s government. very sad for the country, not for the people, just for their idea.
Posted by: fair | September 10, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
One person’s stupid outcry does not change the opinion of America on Obama’s healthcare reform. Wilson was out of line when he spoke up during the President’s speech, but if the Dems believe they can suddenly jam the plan down America’s throat they will pay at the polls next round.
I am concerned that our President does not hear the majority of Americans on what they want. Do we no longer have a govenment of the people for the people?
Sure does not feel like it where I sit.
Let’s show we are a true democracy and put the issue to a National vote. It is a National plan that is proposed….let the nation vote….not the politicians with alternative motives. Letting people vote in National referendums…what a novel concept for a nation that pushes democracy around the world.
Posted by: Frank | September 10, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I wish everyone would shut up and let the President of the United States of America do his job. He’s taken bits and pieces of ‘the Healthcare Plan’ from several President’s, regardless of their political affiliation. If you have nothing to offer to make the healthcare plan better, take a backseat and let those more qualified step up with suggestions. All of this grandstanding and gesturing does is make Americans look foolish, stupid, and unsupportive. Give the man a chance for God’s sake. I didn’t vote for him, but I’d vote for him today just on principle. South Carolina should be bowing their heads in shame.
Posted by: Lisa | September 10, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
George, Get smart and move over to Fox News. ABC is so one sided and their pulling you down with them. I refuse to watch their station. I hate to see you be another Charlie Gibson!
Posted by: phil M Sr | September 10, 2009, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
George, i listened to Obama’sso called promises…i am with Joe Wilson! i was yelling aT THE TV ..because i was sooo
frustrated! he says we can all keep the coverage we have?..that is simply not true! at least with me it is not…i am covered by a company that their bottom line is saving money…and you can bet they are going to do just that…who can blame them? i dont…and I am the one who will get screwed by it!….why dont some of congress bring up this fact? i am not the only one who is scared..lot of people are….and I have tried to get in touch with all of my congressmen and women…they dont answer!..i get a stupid form letter…which makes no sence and doesn’t adress my concerns…I feel like we are being railroaded…
Posted by: Donna Guaraglia | September 10, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
ABC news said tonite that they are reporting over a million jobs saved or created…???where? what jobs? i want to know! they spew out numbers only to appease the public…why dont someone explain where, and which jobs…and dont tell me the road work and bridge work…tht is not creating…that is putting a few back to work..on jobs they had before…all i hear are lies lies lies!! somebody should do something!…i am tire of lies..no one is real any more….you said Obama laid out his plan with clarity? it was all muddy to me..answered none of my concerns….this is not reform….just lower the cost of drugs and find all the fraud…enstead of looking the other way….and lower EMR room charges…no THAT WOULD BE REFORM!
Posted by: Donna Guaraglia | September 10, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Did the president send a bill to Congress? Maybe the public hasn’t seen it. In HR3200 there is a loophole that illegals would be covered. Amendments to check for legal status were voted down.
Death panels — maybe, maybe not, but how insulting and degrading to counsel seniors on end of life options. Certainly would make me feel a bit useless. That should be my choice and without any suggestions from the government.
Now ABC, NBC, CBS and Obama have illegals, death panels, and Joe Wilson as a diversion from many other things the public should concentrate on: like the Government insurance, IRS having the power to fine if we don’t comply, government being involved in the most personal aspect of lives, and one more big entitlement program that will take away our freedom of choice and will be unsustainable. This is during a time when everyone needs to be focusing the economy and jobs, and not the ellusive ‘green jobs’.
Something is bad wrong with this picture of the press not raising more questions about this president and the people he has surrounded himself with and still surrounds with radicals like Cass Sunstein who believes we should not own guns, eat the meat killed with those guns and give animals the right to sue humans for pain and suffering. He also believes we should take another look at the Fairness Doctrine that surely would keep down any opposition for the state run media. Sunstein would get help from Mark Lloyd, diversity czar in the FCC, who holds Hugo Chavez in high esteem. Gotta love those dictators.
Posted by: grey0066 | September 10, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
If Obama was elected by only 52% of the popular vote, shouldn’t his healthplan be ditched by the current 52% unpopular vote?
Maybe I am being too logical for this president!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | September 10, 2009, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Obama’s p.ss and vinegar speech. Defensive tone, long winded, but short on details, oh,… sorry, no details. Filled with the same stuff we’ve heard all summer long. The “you lie” comment was the highlight of the night.
Posted by: betsy | September 10, 2009, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
George Stephanopoulos has certainly disappointed me. Even though I know he has been somewhat biased in the past, I have been stunned at the very obvious worship of Obama. Twice I have seen George cut someone off before that person could move to a subject that would not look too good for the president.
Posted by: grey0066 | September 10, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
RCP Poll Average Obama Job Approval
52.1% Approve
43.4% Disapprove
Posted by: Numeros | September 10, 2009, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
George: Your review is too lenient on the President. His accusatory comments towards those who oppose the House bill are not fully truthful. In fact, there are the means in the House bill to allow abortions and it is not logical that the public option does not cover illegal immigrants when they will be “required to purchase health insurance”. That is precisely why Democrats voted down Republican efforts to clarify that the House bill would not cover these issues. On abortion, the Hyde Amendment will not cover the Public Option because the democrats are treating it like private insurance, what a laugh! Lastly, although “death panels” is too strong a term, the earlier version of the bill did require reviews near the end of life with all options on the table. Like the recently revised brochure in the VA that urges soldiers to consider whether their life is “worth living”, this could easily have been seen this way. President Obama is not being truthful and, if ABC did a better job of reporting on these matters, perhaps congressmen would not be compelled to blurt out when they are being called Liars. That language by the President is also not good conduct and should be brought to the attention of the public.
Posted by: Greg Jones | September 10, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
The responsibility for where this country is, at this point, rests solely with our Congress and decades of corruption and waste. The president has very limited sole powers. It takes an obscene amount of money for them to become a member of a group, of which, many have no conception anymore of the way the majority of us live. The money contributed to get them there offers still more money when new legislation is enacted. If anyone thinks they can serve more than one term by using common sense and voting for what is in the best interest of our country, think again. Special interest will not support a second term for a candidate with basic ethics. We have 3 major parties running this country, Democrats, Repbublicans and the background party, the Lobbyists.
Political affiliation has nothing to do with our conception of a particular piece of legislation. There are thinkers and there are lemmings, both in Congress and in the American public. We need a true bi-partisan bill which includes no provision in any form that excludes Congress and other federal employees or any other group.
I heard one of the proponents of the healthcare bill say that what the government is trying to do is to enable every American to have insurance equivalent to the one that is available to Congress and other federal employees, which will include all of the appointments to be filled by the requirements of this bill. If this is truly the case then have them put us into their plan, not into a plan that will eventually lead to eliminating private insurance. With the provisions so far put forth, that end result is assured. Some members of Congress have already made remarks that this is what they eventually want. It will be an insidious process and many of us will not see that day, but it is assured for our future generations. We have medical treatments that are the envy of the world and unfortunately that has contributed greatly to the rise in our insurance. Another major factor is the liability insurance our doctors are forced to carry to stay in business. The mania for Americans to sue and the monies awarded in these suits, in many cases, is out of hand.
Congress is not capable of handling this without the corruption which occured in some of their other legislation. Social Security funds were to be used for no other purpose, but they have borrowed from it with no hope of getting it paid back and now want to burden this nation with more opportunities for more waste and corruption.
When the auto industry decided to not support so many of their dealerships people bought hundreds of cars at bargain prices from dealers who were cut out by their suppliers, than came “Cash for Clunkers”. How long do you think it will be before the auto industry will be able to recover? These people will be out of the market for a car for years. With the economy in the dumps they will keep their cars longer.
In spite of claims that we are in a recovery I see no such thing.
Congress has spent decades legislating us into all of the problems we are knee deep in. They have ignored waste and corruption, even within their own ranks, and ignored warnings of actions that led to much of the collapse we are living with. The president has very few sole powers and our legislative branch is the sole owner of the mess we are in. I have asked my own representatives in Congress to answer only one question and that is “Why do you think you are so much better than the rest of the country and excluded yourselves from this legislation”? I have received 1 answer, weeks later that addressed one issue, the one of the exclusion of Congress and federal employees,with no clear answer, and if that is what other people have encountered when trying to get answers, then I fully understand why there is so much disruption at the Town Hall Meetings.
Don’t take anyone’s word for their explanation of this bill. Go to it and form your own conclusions using plain old logic and common sense. Then keep an eye on any future versions. They will definitely try again. I want no government controlling our healthcare insurance and definitely not a bill that excludes them or a public option as written in the House version.
Posted by: Iwantmycountryback | September 11, 2009, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Is it just me? I’ve had a different health plan for every job I’ve had, and even my union health fund has changed providers 3 times since 1995. I used to belong to an HMO where you chose a primary doctor, then never see him because most appointments were handled by physician’s assistants. I quit going to the VA Hospital for an old war injury, because I’d wind up seeing a different doctor every time. And every private doctor would always have to get the green light from some insurance pencil-pusher before I could get a colonoscopy or other procedure. So forget debating whether the govt would come between you and your doctor… Insurance actuaries and other desk jockeys are already standing between you and your doctor!
Posted by: Nightguy61 | September 11, 2009, 3:22 am 3:22 am
George, you’re on Twitter – and so is John McCain. McCain tweeted: Where’s the the bill? This is a fair question. If the President said the bill will not do this, or will do that, is he speaking of what the House may do, or is he going to provide a working bill of his own for proper consideratio? He really can’t promise anything, because it’s a legislative process, not an execute thing; but he can at least introduce a comprehensive bill that speaks to the issues as he wishes.
Posted by: Patrick | September 11, 2009, 5:17 am 5:17 am
To streamline universal health care, take the top 10 insurance companies and divide up those to be insured equally (high and low risk, pre existing conditions, children, etc) and write a policy exactly the same congress receives. If its good enough for them its good enough for us. If congress says no, let them try the various health care plans Americans have to use. Not one politician can argue, because its what they receive. E-mail all your senators and congressmen
Posted by: John and Karen O'Neil | September 11, 2009, 7:01 am 7:01 am
The bottom line is 84% of American have health insurance, and only 16% are uninsured. To solve a small 16%, Democrats and President Obama want to a universal Healthcare Reform for 100% U.S. population. Unnecessary cost and unwanted forced help from the government!
Refer to the article, “Fines proposed for going without health insurance,” by Associated Press posted today, Tuesday, September 8, 2009. The problem that U.S. Congress and President Obama attempt to solve is “the problem of the nation’s nearly 50 million uninsured.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul
Refer to the article, “U.S. Population, 2009: 305 Million and Counting,” by U.S. News & World Report posted December 31, 2008. 305,529,237 was the U.S. population estimate for Jan. 1, 2009.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/12/31/us-population-2009-305-million-and-counting.html
Posted by: Theresa | September 11, 2009, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm