Obama Continues Message to Iran: ‘Pursue a New Course, or Face Consequences’

Interesting asks, ”How long did they know about Qom?” – please, this joke has been going on for at least the last 11 years, Clinton did nothing, Bush did nothing, & now Obama is doing nothing.
Just think about the reprecussions of a nuclear device & a delivery system in the hands of Islamic crazies – is the Iranian regime any different than Al-Qaeda?

Instead of apologizing at the UN, why in the name of GOD didn’t he reveal this when it would have garnered more weight?
This proves he is over his head when it comes to International issues.
What a joke for a “Leader.” (?)

Instead of apologizing at the UN, why in the name of GOD didn’t he reveal this when it would have garnered more weight?
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That’s what I don’t get. He made the unprecedented move of chairing the Security Council, and was all kumbaya. It was Sarkozy who was bold in front of the world leaders.
The next day Obama held a separate event to call out Iran….to the press.
I just don’t get the point of the way he talked to the world vs. how he spoke after Sarkozy got angry.

Now HE want’s to invade Iran… thanks Barack O’BUSH!!!

“face consequences…”
Like the threat of more “serious meaningful dialogue”??
LOL.
So when does the One sit down face to face to with Ahmedinejad without preconditions so the Iranian can further humiliate Obama and the US?

Although it is still less than a year for the Obama team, it is refreshing to see an administration that is pro-active in foreign policy from the get-go and along with multi-tasking on many issues along with bringing our country back to the road of recovery from financial disaster caused by the GOP/Conservative coalition of the Bush/Cheney government between 2005 and October 2008.
As for the road to Mid East peace will take several smaller accomplishments to achieve not ultimately peace but the compromise of sustaining conflict management within the region.
It is possible? Anything is possible in good time relative to the resources but the U.S. cannot do this alone but should look at other models of dialog like a multinational concepts where the U.S., UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Egypt design a framework for progress for the region. Surely Iran can be dealt with the same way.

Now Iran is going to help Venezuela develop a nuke, and Brazil is talking nukes.
What a job that Obama is doing!

young_voter says ****
Mr. Obama will start to blame Washington for Iran issue. ****
And you will blame everything on Obama. Amazing!

Bill. And by the way, both Clinton & Bush share in this mess. Neither did anything to stop Iran. Bush wimped out – he should have attacked Iran at the end of his term.

Boy, it didn’t take long to censor my response to Bill. Nothing like free & open debate, I guess being blunt is no longer in style. Of course, this is why so many people think the mainstream media is total BS.
So sorry, Bill, it would have been an interesting discussion.
And how long will it take to delete this comment?

Obama, what a joke for a leader. He has played footsie with these dictators since his inaugeration and they see him as a weakness not a strength. I like the forceful tone of Brown which is what the situation demanded.

To the Americans, Mr. Obama tells them, “Yes, we can”. All things are possible. To the International community at the UN, he tells them, “America cannot do it alone”.

I can just hear him now…..I inhericted this mess…..hey, so did Bush. Iran’s been around a long long time. The difference is that the previous administrations didn’t bow before the evil leaders of these nations. Obama is a “kitty”. He doesn’t have the “nerve” to stand up to Ahmadinijad.

Bush’s intelligence agencies told him unequivically that Iraq had WMD. The intelligence agancies were wrong. What happens if Obama’s intelligence agencies are wrong?

Obama’s plan….disarm the U.S. while turning his head to what evil dictators in the east do. Surprising? No, not from a far leftie.

Apparently Bush briefed Obama about this
in the transition period. If Obama
truly believes that Bush lied and
intelligence is failed, why would
Obama believe him and act in a way
just by what he learned from a “flawed”
ex-president? Maybe he is waiting to
blame Bush for this one too while he
comes up with some kind of answer.
He has no backbone. Iran should have
nothing to fear and they understand
that clearly.

The era of Bush`s shoot before aiming is gone. Now we have a strategic thinking president who will use war as a last resort rather than a first resort like Bush and his neo-conservatives did.

The buck stops with Obama.

“The commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan has submitted a request for more troops, a spokesman said Saturday, but the Pentagon will hold it while President Barack Obama decides what strategy to pursue.”
Afghanistan? What Afghanistan? The military twists in the wind while Barack asks his political advisors at the Kos what to do.
Soon I expect Obama will come out with “Look, I didn’t ask for this mess. It’s not my fault. Blame Bush!”
LMAO

“Now we have a strategic thinking president who will use war as a last resort rather than a first resort like Bush and his neo-conservatives did.”
So that’s why we’re at war with Iran?
Strategic thinking? Like ducking the responsibility in Afghanistan? The ROE in Afghanistan are abominable. Our military cannot clear and hold if they can’t clear. They cannot hold if they haven’t enough manpower.

from the UK Telegraph:
“Obama has done more to restore Russia’s hegemonial potential in Eastern and Central Europe than even Vladimir Putin. . . . If the word is out that America is in retreat, it will soon find it has no friends.”

I dance with glee every time a read a musing on any blog from a conservative blah, blah, blahing about Obama giving their money away to the poor so they can be rich. These poor foolish conservatives have never been able to understand how much of their money the government gives away daily to conservative farmers not to grow crops, to conservative milk farmers to subsidize their supposedly low prices for milk, and huge amounts of corporate welfare to every conservative company and manufacture in the form of tax relief and subsidies.
They have been blinded by the lies and untruths of those they hold up as saviors and spokespeople for their cause, Lumbaugh, Fox, O’Rielly, Beck and Cheney.
I don’t want the conservatives to change their thinking nor stop believing the lies and untruths of their spokesmouths. Between that and their foolish hatred for medical care for all Americans, which they hope will not pass, they will become so full of hatred and angst that will cause their health to decline and lo and behold they will not have any health care. Oh, wait. They do believe in the government handing out Social Security checks, medicaide, and medicare. Never mind.

Between that and their foolish hatred for medical care for all Americans, which they hope will not pass, they will become so full of hatred and angst that will cause their health to decline and lo and behold they will not have any health care. Oh, wait. They do believe in the government handing out Social Security checks, medicaide, and medicare. Never mind.
Posted by: democratic | Sep 26, 2009 4:45:49 PM
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You sound really frustrated with everything that’s going on. Don’t take it personal – think of how the Republicans feel – like they are trapped and can’t do anything for an entire year until the next elections in 2010. Now that’s really frustrating!

I’m still waiting for Obama to come out and say what exactly Iran did that doesn’t comply with the NPT (unlike some other countries that won’t go mentioned). They notified the IAEA months before they needed to. What is all the bloviating about?

It’s comforting to have a president who is tough but uses all the options at his disposal. Military force is on the table, but should always be the last resort when virtually everything else has failed. I trust that Obama is coming from that persepctive. But I also trust that he will not hesitate if sadly it comes to that.

“It’s comforting to have a president who is tough…”
it would be more comforting if there were a shred of evidence that he is tough.

I disagree with Bush’s justification to attack Iraq and I would again disagree with any Obama justification to attack Iran; especially using the US Intelligence reports that have not been reliable; or at least unsupportable.
Posted by: EPU | Sep 26, 2009 7:13:07 PM
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I’m thinking we agree, although I don’t think pressing for inspections is where we went wrong in Iraq and it seems highly likely to me that our current intelligence is improved and less politicized, given past mistakes. (One would hope– but I realize I shouldn’t assume.) Where we went way wrong in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, IMHO, was when we blew off Hans Blix, who, along with a team of UN weapons inspectors spent more than three months searching for WMD in Iraq and found nothing he deemed significant. We should have let him and his team do their job.
I’m glad it wasn’t Obama who put military action on the table, but rather France–though now the neocons think he looks like a wimp and a dreamy eyed liberal utopian (can you be that alongside being a fascist/commie/socialist/radical– probably to some as logic doesn’t seem to have much to do with the mischaracterizations). Iran’s nuclear chief says the country will set a date for the UN’s atomic agency inspectors to visit a newly-disclosed plant. So we’ll see what happens. I certainly think military action against Iran would set a dangerous precedent and set off a wildly dangerous chain of events. Ahmadinejad say the announcement yesterday, and the news of the nuclear facility, won’t affect the upcoming talks between Iran and the 5+1 group in October.

“Iran’s leaders must now choose – they can live up to their responsibilities and achieve integration with the community of nations,” Obama said, “or they will face increased pressure and isolation, and deny opportunity to their own people.”
Blah, Blah, Blah!
President Obama continues his failed
strategy of talking the Iranians
into giving up their goal of making
a nuclear weapon.
When will the president realize that
his empty threats are not working?
After Iran has a nuclear weapon attached
to a missile? Then it will be too late!
The Iranians know as do the
North Koreans and the Russians that
the U.S. under Obama is a “paper tiger”!
This guy makes Jimmy Carter look
like a saber rattler. Ugh!

There’s no need to rush off and bomb Iran; they’ve got a ways to go till they get a usable weapon. In the meantime let US intelligence finish this cat and mouse game with Ahmadinejad. He knows with our radar-invisible planes and cruise missiles we can destroy anything we can see, so apparently he was trying to see if he could build a facility that we couldn’t find. Well we found it much to the credit of our intelligence community who should get credit for this victory. Ahmadinejad now has to face that placing huge economic burdens on his country is risky since his popularity is fading and any extremely expensive facilities he builds can probably be easily destroyed.

Alyson,
I wouldn’t trust the US Intelligence reports. Just to say that they are now trustworthy because a President with a D at the end of his name is in charge is ideological posturing.

We’ve known for years about this and Obama *still* offered negotiations without preconditions?
And what kind of nonsense talk is this about Iran *proving* what cannot be proved?
Is Obama 100 times more stupid than most people already think he is?

Someone on Fox made an interesting comment.
Obama wants to rush everything–the stimulus, omnibus, cap/trade. health care.
But he wants to take his time when it comes to sending more troops to help in Afghanistan. While he drags his feet our troops are dying.
Either send help or get them out!

Pretty sad to see Sarkozy and Brown showing more fortitude than the president of the United States.
Obama just doesn’t have it in him to be forceful. Kind of makes sense that he voted present 120 times in the Senate rather than taking a stand.

Obama still isn’t swaggering around and making enough tough-guy threats
to keep the timid feeling secure it seems. Most Americans don’t want any more loved ones to die in the Middle East so some of you are going to have to reach deep down inside yourselves and try and find the courage to make it as these diplomatic processes are carried through. None of the violent and arrogant policies you’re advocating got us anywhere the last six years anyways.

I just love how Obama promised Hope & Change along with having the most most tranparent administration ever, of course his administration is no different than any other; lies & cover-ups and on and on. Then he demands transparency from Iran? What would he know about it?

I’ll take peace over war almost any time. I know the Right never showed much interest in non-oil-rich Afghanistan anyway, but I’m just curious: Is it because the oracle George Will pointed the way that conservatives are willing to embrace cut and run there now?

Obama: “We must never stop until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of the earth.”
Sarkozy: “We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions.”
Bill Clinton: “Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen,”
I see a pattern

Better watch out Iran ….. the U.N. is about to write you a letter. Bet your afraid now!! What a useless bunch of …..

Start with Robb-Silberman.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Sep 26, 2009 10:50:57 PM
Okey doke. Thanks for the info.

I’ll take peace over war almost any time. I know the Right never showed much interest in non-oil-rich Afghanistan anyway, but I’m just curious: Is it because the oracle George Will pointed the way that conservatives are willing to embrace cut and run there now?
Posted by: Skip | Sep 26, 2009 10:49:44 PM
Me, too on the first statement, and interesting question on the latter– though so far I get the impression that many neocons are using Afghanistan and many other things to simply dump on Obama, maybe hoping a neverending War and other things (like trouble closing Gitmo) will make Obama as unpopular among the left wing as he is among the right, so, you know, maybe his unpopularity will eventually be worse than Bush’s was– and his domestic policies and reforms will get dropped, and he won’t get re-elected, and they’ll be saved from meaningful health care reforms, energy and environment reforms, rail and infrastructure improvements, immigration reforms, a less criminalized DOJ, a fair Census, pushback on nutwinger lies — because you know all those things are soooooo awful.

George Will has nothing to do with this. Other than to point out how Obama is lacking any policy other than to get himself elected. So what if Bush did it? Wasn’t Obama the candidate of change (for the worst).

Troops has been dying in Afganistan for 8 years……..it was an “uninterested” war in the beginning, left unattended until President Obama took office. This war was a “sham” of the Bush years. Where were your voice then?

What consequences does the One speak of? Let me guess, he’ll send Iran an iPod packed full of his “historic” speeches….lol. Kind of reminds me of the kid that cried wolf!

Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty-one (51%) disapprove.

Obama will huff and he will puff and the Iranians will laugh and laugh.
The One has known about this since he came into office, why is he bringing it up now?

The point is not whether Iran has or has not been pursuing a course toward nuclear weapons, the issue is HOW we react to it in concert with OTHERS. The conservative side still sees the World as run by the US, and wants to “bully” a solution. A person such as Obama has the courage to know that this paradigm lacks integrity. Throughout history, effective action has only been taken when countries work together to put pressure and solve these kinds of disputes as a group. Bush chose basically a “go-it-alone” policy, and it was and still is a complete disaster It is time to work in harmony with other nations, or face an even further decline in our respect and standing in the World communities.

There were many opportunities to stop Nazi Germany’s rearming in the thirties, yet none were taken. No country had the courage to make Hitler stop rearming Germany until he invaded Poland. Millions of lives later, Hitler was finally stopped. I fear history will once again repeats itself.

Skip,in terms of respect-do you honestly think that the Iranians,North Koreans,Syrians,Israelis,Russians,Chinese,Poles,Czechs give a damn anymore what the government of the United States advocates?Do you think that Eastern Europe can trust a neophyte whose grasp of history is so poor that he apparently was unaware of the Nazi-Soviet nonagggression pact of 1939 and the important dates related to that pact?Of course they LIKE him-he is weak,ignorant in foreign affairs and will not cause trouble-like Lichtenstein.

-I’d be curious to know who you think has more respect at the diplomatic level from the international community than Obama. He’s been prominent at every top level international gathering he has attended.-
Prominence does not equal respect.

“Prominence does not equal respect.”
Intimidation does not equal respect either.

Only two choices remain: Live with a nuclear Iran or get rid of the Iran’s nuclear ability, it is now either or, or..But the world better decide now fore it sounds as if Iran will be making the decision fairly soon, like it or not, for everyone…anyone with half a brain knows inspections is just another stalling tactic..

Nephron… If Europe wants a missile defense system let them build one with their resources… We can spend that 8.8 billion dollars on something that will benefit American’s (i.e. Healthcare)…

iran is a soverien nation and ca n test missles ,just like israel.why dont we take back the nukes we gave to israel and then maybe iran couldn’t justify trying to obtain them. You wouldn’t end your nuke program if your neighbor had them. there will be no peace in that region untill the land grabbing stops. if i gave someone part of your backyard,you might get mad,if they then took more of your land, you might feel threatend,and if they had nukes, you’d want them too !!!!

Sarkozy: “We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions.”
“President Obama dreams of a world without weapons … but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite.
“Iran since 2005 has flouted five security council resolutions. North Korea has been defying council resolutions since 1993.
“I support the extended hand of the Americans, but what good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community? More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe a UN member state off the map,” he continued, referring to Israel.
The sharp-tongued French leader even implied that Mr Obama’s resolution 1887 had used up valuable diplomatic energy.
“If we have courage to impose sanctions together it will lend viability to our commitment to reduce our own weapons and to making a world without nuke weapons,” he said.
Mr Sarkozy has previously called the US president’s disarmament crusade “naive.”

They knew about Qom for years, all of them. I believe this tough talk is more than just the leak of this site, I believe Israel has set a deadline to attack or Iran is going to attack Israel and Ahmadinejad forced Obama’s hand to see where he stands. Not just Obama but Russia and China too. I highly doubt they would be talking tough like this over a site they have known about for years, and having a CYA policy about access when they know full well that these sites are not for electricity by Iran’s own admission. I read in another article that deal under which Iran would suspend uranium enrichment in return for a package of economic assistance and help with the construction of a civilian power industry has been on offer for more than a year and has so far been flatly rejected by Iran. They are determined to build a nuke to destroy Israel and probably the US too if they could.

But anyways why does it matter what the Russians think? We have enough change lying around to build a missile system in Poland that we doubt will be effective anymore just to spite the Russians?

It is an excellent broadcast filled with descending contents of resolution well arrived at; strategic and domesticated in understanding – I mean in the knowledge of the wise meanings.

Obama isn’t going to do anything about Iran anymore than what he is going to do in Afganistan, he will more than likely walk away from both. The House and Senate are filled with Chicken Little’s but with nothing more than a bag of hot air to expel. While we may have 4 years of “Peace” with the current adminstration their do nothing (except for their continuing threat of raising taxes) attitude on foreign events will bring about 8 years of problems to clean up.

What is Obama really going to do? Nothing that really matters. We’ll stop exporting American Cheese to Iran and that will be about it. Captain Wee Wee (Obama) is a weak kneed, spineless politician of the worse kind. Iran will get it’s nukes and he’ll blame Bush or someone else. Now is the time to “man up”.

Whats he going to do?? Bomb them? call bomb busters? Hah. One bone that ticks me is that we voice our opinions here and other places and are accused of being raciest. The dems are saying and the president that they cannot get things done because the Republicans and the right wing movement are stopping them. If that is the case’ then how in the he– did Obama get elected?? If there is that much influence on the right how did he make it in??? The dems have all the power they need to do what ever. They are chicken too because they know what will happen come next election. which is going to happen no matter. Voted out and the lifers retired.

“Consequences”????? Now there’s the laugh of the day.

OMG, you must be kidding me! Iran must be quaking in their boots under the threat of more “just words….just speeches”. Maybe the Weakling in Chief could just stay in Denmark for eternity!

Rick McDaniel:
You’re being too hard on
President Obama.
He’s going to Hold His Breath Until
He Turns Blue!
That’ll show those Iranians who’s Boss!
LOL!