Obama Trots Out Nurses Endorsement (Again) to Keep Health Care Temperature Up
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller reports: Hoping to keep the health care momentum going following last night’s joint address to Congress, President Obama trotted out the American Nurses Association for an event this morning to again announce their “enthusiastic support” for President Obama’s proposals. The support of the nurses association is not new – The President had a similar event in the Rose Garden in July where similarly members of the ANA surrounded him, in scrubs or white lab coats as many in the audience of the President’s remarks were today. President Obama this morning brought new numbers from the Census Bureau to make his case for the need for reform, due to rising numbers of the uninsured. “This morning, the Census Bureau released new data showing not only that the poverty rate increased last year at the highest rate since the early 1990s, but also that the number of uninsured rose in 2008. And we know from more up-to-date surveys that, since the recession intensified last September, the situation has grown worse. Over the last 12 months, it’s estimated that the ranks of the uninsured have swelled by nearly 6 million people. That’s 17,000 men and women every single day. And we know that, during this period of time, the number of adults who get their coverage at the workplace has dropped by 8 million people.” The tone during last night’s address to Congress continued – Mr. Obama said that the issue has been talked and talked to death, and “the time for talk is winding down.” “Now is the time to act, and I will not permit reform to be postponed or imperiled by the usual ideological diversions,” Obama said, “We don’t need more partisan distractions. If there are real concerns about any aspect of my plan, let’s address them. If there are real differences, let’s resolve them.” Mr. Obama made a passing reference to his joint address to Congress last night, offering up a short cliff-notes version to the viewers who last night chose to watch FOX, and didn’t air the address. ” Just in case folks weren’t tuned in last night if they — if they were watching “So You Think You Can Dance,” a show Michelle likes, by the way — let me explain — just explain more briefly than I did last night what health insurance reform will mean for ordinary Americans.” Obama outlined in broad strokes the goals of health insurance reform and made a pitch for “one of the options” available for a public option. “As I’ve said from the outset and repeated last night, one way to give people a real choice when it comes to their health care and keep insurance companies honest is by making one of the options available in such a marketplace a not-for-profit public option.” President Obama said they are going to meet these goals “this year,” and enlisted nurses to go out and do their part to call for action now. “I want to say thank you for all the support you’re providing for health insurance reform for the American people,” Obama said, “I just love nurses. I don’t know what it is. You know, I love — I love nurses. Michelle knows about it; it’s OK.” –Sunlen Miller
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Obama also like to brag about the endorsement of the AMA–when in reality only 17% of doctors are a part of AMA.
More lies, more distortions, more snakeoil from the con man.
Posted by: ollie | September 10, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Nurses are the “oppressed” in the health care industry. They tend to be overworked, suffer from oppressive arrogance from doctors and administration of hospitals, alike, and yet they are the first line of care for patients, in hospitals and doctor’s offices.
They have a personal motivation to see change, but they may not fully understand how that change will improve their situation……as it isn’t likely to have any impact at all, under Obama’s plan.
It all boils down to the fact, that health care costs cannot be reduced without a national health care plan for everyone, where government sets wages and costs, by directive.
Until the profits in health care, are no longer the motivator, there can be no reduction of costs.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | September 10, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Why is Obama so fearful of Fox?
Is he afraid Americans will hear the truth from at least one part of the media?
If he could I believe Obama would shut down Fox and the internet.
I expect at some point he will try.
Posted by: larry | September 10, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Is Obama brave enough to meet with the 10,000 doctors protesting Obamacare in DC?
Somehow I doubt it.
And I doubt the MSM will report it either.
Posted by: max | September 10, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Will Obama trot out the AARP endorsement again–an endorsement it turned out, he did not really have??
Posted by: Libs, and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them | September 10, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
“Now is the time to act, and I will not permit reform to be postponed or imperiled by the usual ideological diversions,” Obama said.
Why is Obama in such a hurry to radically impact one-sixth of the U.S. economy. If it is so important to institute ObamaCare immediately, why is it that it will not be instituted until 2013 (“conveniently” timed after 2012 elections)?
Could it be because he doesn’t want the public to know what is in the Democrat bills under consideration? Could it be that the public will discover the merits of the Republican bills that Obama and the media deny exist?
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
“ Just in case folks weren’t tuned in last night if they — if they were watching “So You Think You Can Dance,” a show Michelle likes, by the way — let me explain — just explain more briefly than I did last night what health insurance reform will mean for ordinary Americans.”
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The guy has a good sense of humor. Glad to see it.
He needs it with all the lies, smears and fear mongering being sent his way from the fanatical right.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Hmmm….I wonder how many of these nurses are union members….
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
“Why is Obama in such a hurry”
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Nobody’s in any hurry. It’s just that its been put off for decades. It’s time to get it done.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
So what did he promise the nurses?
Why did Obama meet with Phrma through the backdoor but the nurses out in the open?
Posted by: millie | September 10, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
This wouldn’t be another union whose leadership is exempt from Obamacare, would it?
Har.
Posted by: drjohn | September 10, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
“The guy has a good sense of humor. Glad to see it.
He needs it with all the lies, smears and fear mongering he needs to continue to spew in his campaign to ram through ObamaCare.”
Fixed it for ya.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
“Nobody’s in any hurry. It’s just that its been put off for decades. It’s time to get it done.”
Really? “The time for talking is over” … “This must be passed before August recess” … etc. Sounds like someone in a hurry to me.
If this is soooo pressing, why won’t it be implemented immediately? Why push off such “necessary reform” to 2013?
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
=== if they were watching “So You Think You Can Dance,”===
This man is so thin skinned. Can’t let go of the fact that Fox chose not to broadcast his partisan speech full of lies. Yeah. I called him a liar. And sent a donation to Wilson this morning.
Posted by: Axey | September 10, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
“ Just in case folks weren’t tuned in last night if they — if they were watching “So You Think You Can Dance,” a show Michelle likes, by the way — let me explain — just explain more briefly than I did last night what health insurance reform will mean for ordinary Americans.”
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I think its good he has a sense of humor. FOX are big boys crying in their sandbox . … poor FOX. Sniff, sniff.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Why hasn’t Obama explained why he dropped the number of uninsured from 47 million to now 30 million?
If that number gets lower health care may not sound like a crisis anymore.
Posted by: rick | September 10, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
No, not all of us were watching “So You Think You Can Dance”. We were watching reruns of “The Squirrely President from Acorn”.
Posted by: Guess | September 10, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Why does the media think this is out of bounds? Obama needs to keep the pressure up on reform, especially with the Gang of Six meeting today for what could be the final time.
Posted by: matt | September 10, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
“And it is finally going to happen, regardless of all the lies, and the fear and the smear tactics and the fear mongering from the right wing and the insurance lobby.”
Dems vote it, they own it. Which is why they are desperately courting Republicans such as Olympia Snowe so that they can claim (what apparently passes for) “bipartisanship”.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
For a guy that promised to end the name calling in Washington Obama sure did a lot of it last night.
He was nasty, petty, defensive and bitter.
Posted by: bailey | September 10, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
“I think its good he has a sense of humor. FOX are big boys crying in their sandbox . … poor FOX. Sniff, sniff.”
Not crying at all…Obama’s primetime speeches are money-losers for the networks. Fox is laughing all the way to the bank!
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
“For a guy that promised to end the name calling in Washington Obama sure did a lot of it last night.”
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The President responded to the campaign of lies and smears and the hypocrisy that has been used against his administration.
Seemed fair to me.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
” Fox is laughing all the way to the bank!” Posted by: tjp612 | Sep 10, 2009 12:42:25 PM
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Man you can’t get ANY of your facts right.
“Fox’s double dipping of “Dance,” however, was down 21% from its two-hour summer opener while up against Barack Obama’s health care speech.”
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
I heard that this ANA Nursing group was VERY small (under 200k nurses), where there are several MILLION nurses in the profession…hardly what i would call a significant endorsement !
Posted by: DR | September 10, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Of course, CNN (Clinton News Network) spun this speech as a huge victory for The One–by quoting results from their absurdly skewed poll featuring 45% Dems and 18% GOP.
Posted by: Libs, and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them | September 10, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
“Fox’s double dipping of “Dance,” however, was down 21% from its two-hour summer opener while up against Barack Obama’s health care speech.”
Doesn’t mean they didn’t make money…
Posted by: TeeVee | September 10, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
“Of course, CNN (Clinton News Network) spun this speech as a huge victory for The One–by quoting results from their absurdly skewed poll featuring 45% Dems and 18% GOP.”
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They got it right. It was a huge victory for President Obama.
The Republicans looked pathetic, and the right wing hysteria today is embarrassing.
Watch the President’s poll numbers over the next while. The barking toadie from Carolina didn’t do the right wing much good either.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
“Fox’s double dipping of “Dance,” however, was down 21% from its two-hour summer opener while up against Barack Obama’s health care speech.”
Doesn’t mean they didn’t make money…
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Ratings down 21% . .. looks like their little huffy fit didn’t pay off like they thought it would.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
@ julieterra
“Man you can’t get ANY of your facts right.”
“Fox’s double dipping of “Dance,” however, was down 21% from its two-hour summer opener while up against Barack Obama’s health care speech.”
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I now have a greater understanding of why you blindly support The One: You don’t understand capitalism!
Don’t you realize that while ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., etc., in addition to airing “Dancing” Fox was also airing paid advertisements. Paid advertisements = Money!
Did you notice that Our Dear Leader’s speech last night was run commercial-free?
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
JULIETERRA, Wow!
You are a regular Talking Point King/Queen machine. In fact, you have posted about 60 comments in the last three articles! Do you get paid by the word?
Posted by: pointytoes | September 10, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
“Don’t you realize that while ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., etc., in addition to airing “Dancing” Fox was also airing paid advertisements. Paid advertisements = Money!”
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OH! Now I get it. FOX didn’t leave the President off the airwaves on principal. They did it for MONEY!
Still, viewership down 21% . . . for the start of the season, not a good sign for future paid advertising.
I think they lost all round. Integrity and positioning.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
You don’t understand capitalism!
Posted by: tjp612
apparently neither did ‘W’ & the wranglers….
the iraq war will be short pay for itself with oil… how’d that werk out pardner…
Posted by: tex | September 10, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
-OH! Now I get it. FOX didn’t leave the President off the airwaves on principal. They did it for MONEY!
Still, viewership down 21% . . . for the start of the season, not a good sign for future paid advertising.
I think they lost all round. Integrity and positioning.-
I think they’ll be OK sweetie.
Posted by: Rupert | September 10, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
You don’t understand capitalism!
Posted by: tjp612
apparently neither did ‘W’ & the wranglers….
the iraq war will be short pay for itself with oil… how’d that werk out pardner…
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Now come on Bush also doubled the national debt, left a trillion dollar deficit on the table and presided over the near free-fall collapse of the economy with 700,000 losing their jobs by the end of his fiasco.
There’s a good capitalist for you.
Of course, he did line the oil company coffers along the way, and those nice companies like Halliburton – didn’t Mr. Cheney have something to do with that?
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
“OH! Now I get it. FOX didn’t leave the President off the airwaves on principal. They did it for MONEY!”
You betcha!
“Still, viewership down 21% . . . for the start of the season, not a good sign for future paid advertising.”
Um, have you checked Obama’s ratings for primetime appearances? Down, down, down…last night will be no different, I suspect. Not a good sign for future interest in the President, huh?
“I think they lost all round. Integrity and positioning.”
Well, you think a lot of things…which is your right.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
-Of course, he did line the oil company coffers along the way, and those nice companies like Halliburton – didn’t Mr. Cheney have something to do with that?-
Oil companies make gas. Goldman Sachs makes?
Posted by: Goldman $achs | September 10, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
@ julieterra
“Now come on Bush also doubled the national debt, left a trillion dollar deficit on the table and presided over the near free-fall collapse of the economy with 700,000 losing their jobs by the end of his fiasco.
There’s a good capitalist for you.”
Well, if this is the benchmark we’re going to use to measure “good capitalists” then Barry will be the GREATEST CAPITALIST OF ALL!
(let me know if you need this explained to you)
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
-Well, if this is the benchmark we’re going to use to measure “good capitalists” then Barry will be the GREATEST CAPITALIST OF ALL!-
I’ve got to agree. I’m glad Barry is in our corner. This was our best year ever.
Posted by: Evil Monger | September 10, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
“Still, viewership down 21% . . . for the start of the season, not a good sign for future paid advertising.”
have you checked Obama’s ratings for primetime appearances
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Listen, okay I’m sorry the President’s address on health care drew away 21% of FOX viewers from “So You Think You Can Dance”. It’s a real, cryin’ shame.
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Uhm . . .capitalism. Let’s see the stock market crashed on Bush’s watch.
The stock market is up how much since Obama became President? 20%? I’m not sure of the exact figure. And under Bush job loss rose to 700,000 per month, and what is it under Obama?
I’m sure it doesn’t matter to you right wingers, but that stock market rise surely matters to people who have savings invested.
Thank you Mr. Bush for keeping the ecnomony strong – hahahahaha. Some successful capitalist. Yeah, he did fine with his oil and banking family money. What about the rest of us?
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
-What about the rest of us?-
I’m doing great. How about you? Can we count on your support again in 2012?
Posted by: Evil Monger | September 10, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
ANA membership: about 180,000
practicing nurses in this country: about 2.1 million.
Any questions?
Posted by: kelli | September 10, 2009, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
@ julieterra
“Listen, okay I’m sorry the President’s address on health care drew away 21% of FOX viewers from “So You Think You Can Dance”. It’s a real, cryin’ shame.”
Wow…so you think that (according to your figures) the 21% of viewership that (apparently) Fox lost went ALL to watch Our Dear Leader? Isn’t that a stretch? You do realize there are a lot of options out there to spend one’s time (be it viewing television, reading, etc.). That’s quite an assumption…(and I would venture an incorrect one).
Wait until the ratings come out – They will tell the story. I would expect you will be disappointed yet another drop in The One’s viewership.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
“Wow…so you think that (according to your figures) the 21% of viewership that (apparently) Fox lost went ALL to watch Our Dear Leader?”
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Is it possible it played a large and significant role in a TWENTY-ONE percent drop in viewership? That is a MAJOR loss of viewers.
NO I suppose, it couldn’t have played much of a role at all . . .
Posted by: julieterra | September 10, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
@ julieterra
“The stock market is up how much since Obama became President? 20%?”
Yeah, well my portfolio is down 40% since Obama was nominated – How about that? I’m also down 40% since Obama voted in FAVOR of TARP!” It’s all about perspective. Besides, Barry says he doesn’t use the market as a measuring stick of success (although he did state in late February/early March that “profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal” – no such ratio exists, which illustrates his ignorance of markets).
“And under Bush job loss rose to 700,000 per month, and what is it under Obama?”
“Per month”? Playing fast and loose with the numbers, aren’t you? You are incorrect.
How about unemployment? Our Dear Leader PROMISED us that if we didn’t pass his TRILLION DOLLAR (non-stimulative and liberal goody bag) “stimulus package” unemployment would exceed 8%. How’s that working out? Well, guess what? Many economists are predicting 10%+ unemployment THROUGHOUT 2010…Great job, Barry! (and bad news for Dems seeking re-election…uh-oh)
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
-How about unemployment?-
Highest since 1983…I blame Palin
Posted by: Messy | September 10, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
julieterra….Ummm (not Uhmm) Let’s see:
Since Obama, America has endured an 26 year historical high in unemployment, 14.9 million with no end in sight..
As far as the stock market, Bush’s stimulus of 2003, the S&P 500 went from 835 to 1034 or a +23.8% increase…
Obama’s stimulus of January of 2009 through July of 2009, the S&P went from 932 to 879 or a negative -5.2% decrease…Not too mention Bush increased our deficit 700B in 8 years..Obama about 1T and that’s without his so called National Health Care that will be paid for by “savings” within the private health care system…LOL
As for the rest of your previous comment, please insert left-wing or Mr.Obama in place of Mr. Bush or right-wing and you’ll have it about right….
Posted by: Parallex View | September 10, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
ANA membership: about 180,000
practicing nurses in this country: about 2.1 million.
Any questions?
Posted by: kelli | Sep 10, 2009 1:33:56 PM
I’m glad someone is setting the record straight. CBS,ABC, NBC and MSNBC wont.
Posted by: Lizzie | September 10, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
This is one nurse who understands that the ANA is a political machine. As far as this “endorsement” meaning that all nurses see obama’s way as the only solution and throw themselves into “doing their part” for him, that’s like saying obama speaks for all Americans. It’s just a public entity with a particular agenda. One can even call it a (gasp!) special interest group. Y’know, like the commercials have been slamming, black cars blocking ambulances.
Posted by: Not Impressed | September 10, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Thank you Mr. Bush for keeping the ecnomony strong – hahahahaha. Some successful capitalist. Yeah, he did fine with his oil and banking family money. What about the rest of us?
Posted by: julieterra | Sep 10, 2009 1:27:54 PM
You forgot to mention that GE which is the parent company of NBC(the Barrack Obama channel) received a bailout, Jeff Immelt is now a advisor to the president. And if Cap and Tax should fail so will GE. Also you have a short memory the dem. have controlled the house for the past 2 years.But yet you blame Bush for everything. Barney Frank and Cris Dodd had nothing to do with it. Have a nice day.
Posted by: Lizzie | September 10, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Ive been in nursing for over 20 years and have many, many friends I’ve made along the way…
I don’t know ONE nurse in favor of this mess. I don’t know ONE MD who is in favor of this disaster dressed up as reform.
I don’t know anyone with 3 brain cells who agree with this…how could anyone? It DOESN’T ADD UP PEOPLE !!!!!
We can’t increase quality and quantity while decreasing cost…that alone should make every American question the crap outta this bill.
None of my friends or colleges are behind Obama. And many of them voted for him. And there’s alot of regret, they feel he does not respect the art and science of medicine. He does not respect doctors or surgeons…
But…he has unions so I guess it doesn’t matter.
so, 33% of the country are fooled. But they are not nurses and doctors…believe me.
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
forgive typos, in my car
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
@ Posted by: mjishernameo | Sep 10, 2009 2:57:44 PM
Keep spreading the good word. You are on the “inside”, “in the trenches” and see what is really going on. Your comments and insight carry significant weight.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Posted by: mjishernameo | Sep 10, 2009 2:57:44 PM
Exactly.
And for him to make that little double entendre about “loving nurses” and Michelle knowing about it, it being OK…well, that just makes me admire and respect the man more.
Wait, no it doesn’t…
But it’s okay, his staff symbolically grope the SOS, can’t imagine he has any more respect, or will see anything wrong.
Posted by: Not Impressed | September 10, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama has shown nothing but contempt for doctors–with his amputation, tonsil comments.
It’s a stretch to believe the majority of nurses support him.
Like the AMA, the nurses organization probably represents a very small percent of nurses.
Obama lies.
Posted by: millie | September 10, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“Ive been in nursing for over 20 years and have many, many friends I’ve made along the way…
I don’t know ONE nurse in favor of this mess.”
Nurses prefer single payer.
SFGate:”Spent some time with the politically powerful California Nurses Association as they staged a demonstration in front of Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s house. More on that in a minute.
The nurses are a bit disappointed with President Obama. Why? They want a single payer system. Anything less, said CNA executive director Rose Ann DeMoro, isn’t going to bring real reform.”
Posted by: Ryan C | September 10, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
It’s sort of like LBJ told the Australian government (1968).. when asking them for token support during Viet Nam..
..’I don’t care if you send a ‘platoon of bagpipers’.. just send someone’..
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | September 10, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
“The nurses are a bit disappointed with President Obama. Why? They want a single payer system. Anything less, said CNA executive director Rose Ann DeMoro, isn’t going to bring real reform.”
C’mon, Ryan C. This is ridiculous. Do you really believe that nurses that picket Diane Feinstein’s office in in California support of single-payer represent the wishes of “mainstream” nurses? Really?
I think you are playing around with us now because I know you are smarter than this!
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
i don’t understand what all the dr.’s and nurses are fussing over? seems like they should be jumping up and down for this. sure dr.’s and hospitals will finally have to charge reasonable prices (which some may think will hurt their pocketbooks), but business will be booming. why do think healthcare is so outrageous? i think it’s because i pay for myself and i pay for the uninsured. imagine if every patient’s bill was actually paid. Probably the only place that would notice a drop in business is the emergency room…because people will actually be able to see their dr. about non-emergency issues. but hey, i think i get it. more work (more patients) and prices will go down. so even though they’ll still be making a killing, they’ll have to work harder to do it. yeah, i’d probably want to keep things the way they are too, cuz i’m lazy like that.
Posted by: justagirlllll | September 10, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
If I were in the healthcare profession, I would jump on the bandwagon now.. it seems that all of this points toward enhanced revenue…
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | September 10, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Ryan C:
I guess YOU know better what nurses want..better than I would…even though I have been practicing for all of my adult life in 6 states and in dozens of settings…yeah, I’m sure you know better on this subject. I guess you talked to your middle school nurse today.
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
dontget18onme:
We’ve talked an awful lot about this at work and outside of work…My husband is an MD, we socialize with doctors, surgeons, radiologists, etc…
Overwhelming the response is “I’m outta here” if this mess goes through. We’re all making a plan B…This will make an already very difficult job much, much, much more difficult and we would be at the mercy of the government…all autonomy would be gone…It’s an anti medical professional agenda.
A lot of sadness. An awful lot of sadness…I see it DAILY. These are not people that went into medicine for the money or prestige. These are brilliant, imaginative, compassionate, scientists…Obama just lumps them into a group like they are LAWYERS !
What Obama needs to do is PROTECT doctors. Address the enormous cost of medical malpractice and the fact that we have to practice defensive medicine to cover our ass from frivolous litigation….
How about we socialize the practice of LAW????
He is a bad man. And this is a bad agenda.
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
“i don’t understand what all the dr.’s and nurses are fussing over? seems like they should be jumping up and down for this. sure dr.’s and hospitals will finally have to charge reasonable prices (which some may think will hurt their pocketbooks), but business will be booming. why do think healthcare is so outrageous?”
It is obvious you do not realize that the government reimburses physicians for services rendered at LOWER THAN MARKET RATES which is why it is becoming more difficult for Medicare patients to find primary care physicians (not to mention that private insurance rates are higher than would otherwise be charged if physicians didn’t have to make up for the government not paying full market rates).
This would be one reason why the medical community is not thrilled about ObamaCare.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
“What Obama needs to do is PROTECT doctors.”
mjishernameo – And what of the future of physician (particularly primary care) and nurse supply?
I’m not in the field, but I don’t think I’d be too thrilled about committing in excess of $100,000 and 7+ years of schooling/residency to become a govt. servant…. So, my guess would be those who are interested in becoming physicians would steer away from those practices in which the govt. would have most influence (e.g., primary care) and more towards specialties (e.g., plastic surgery, orthopedics, etc.). You could speak better to this than I, just my thoughts.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 10, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
-Nurses prefer single payer.-
Funny, I’m a nurse and I don’t. The vast majority of my colleagues don;t either. Tell me what hopsital or medical practice you work at.
Posted by: RNNY | September 10, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
tjp:
There will undoubtedly be a huge drop in students chosing medical school, especially primary care…already PCP are strapped by medicare reimbursement, which often doesn’t come through (think cash for clunkers here) or are so low that they can’t even break even…remember, HCP who practice primary medicine have to hold a huge amt. of malpractice, rental of office space, lab fees, personnel, equipment, on top of school loans…it’s not easy..in fact I would say it’s nearly impossible to make a living NOW…it would be much, much worse with the Obama mess. I refuse to call it a plan or reform because it’s neither…it’s a political power grab..plain and simple. One would have to be living in a hole not to understand..
Honestly, my head hurts from all of this. it’s ridiculous that we have to fight our own government to keep the level of care we enjoy. We all would be very happy to provide for ALL, and we CAN…but not by government taking over administering health care. This is a BAD, BAD plan. Very BAD..
PS. There will be many physicians and nurses marching in Washington on Saturday…
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
And if we are to think rationally about this concept, you could see that the quality of practitioner would drop…the profession would no longer attract the best and brightest, those who long to make people well, to do research, to heal sickness and improve the peoples lives in profound ways…to take the risks, to accept the extraordinary burden of caring for someone when they are ill, afraid, confused…to use the mind and hands that God gave you to help this person using the centuries of innovation we’ve earned by like minded scientists and healers….
Instead, you’ll open to page 2354 sect b part III paragraph 11 and read what you are required to do for your patient.
And you’ll be paid late, if at all.
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
As a Nurse practitioner and a professor I am disheartened by the health care debate, There is no perfect system but I think our current system does not work and access to care for the underserved needs to be a priority. The majority of people who utilize the emergency room as their primary care provider relates to lack of local PCPS and hours that do not support a normal working persons day. We cannot provide preventive sevices until we identify providers who are willing to work in the underserved urban and rural areas. This of course is where NP sevices are needed and could be utilized
kathy
Posted by: Dr kathleen Falkenstein | September 10, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Hi Kathy,
NP here too. Nice to hear from you
MJ
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 10, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
I am so thankful for the nurses, doctors, and other health care practitioners who are speaking up here and elsewhere. The health care providers cannot be lumped into a single mass with a single opinion.
Sorry, Ryan, but I think Not Impressed, Mjishernameo, and RNNY speak for a lot of health care providers. I know that I have spoken to all the doctors in my social circle and NONE of them think single-payer is the way to go, nor are any of them happy at all with the idea that the democrats will pass anything like the bills currently under discussion.
Mjishernameo’s anecdotal evidence from her own circle of friends sounds remarkably similar to the responses I get from my friends, who are all extremely talented, extremely hard-working and generous people. Many of them do volunteer work with their vacation time or accept charity patients or otherwise try to contribute to helping those who cannot afford their services under ordinary circumstances.
I have also listened to all the nurses who work in my cardiac rehabilitation unit. They do not support the president’s plan and think that whatever passes this fall will make their situation, in terms of both work and their own insurance situation, worse rather than better.
The health care debate usually worried me, but when I talk to people in health care, my worry becomes something closer to fear. ANd that’s not good.
Posted by: moderate | September 10, 2009, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
“I am so thankful for the nurses, doctors, and other health care practitioners who are speaking up here and elsewhere.”
Agreed. Please continue to spread the word… In this debate MUCH has been heard from politicians, but not nearly enough has been heard from those who actually are “in the field” and have first-hand knowledge of what the problems are and potential solutions.
Posted by: tjp612 | September 11, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am
A huge drop in people choosing medical school for primary care practice wouldn’t result in much decrease since very very few med school grads choose primary care as it is. We can fill the primary care gap by using advanced practice nurses more effectively and efficiently nationwide. A few states already have laws to allow APNs to work independently and these are the states with highest access to care, the largest population proportion with primary care providers, and the best health outcomes at the lowest cost.
And ‘Moderate’, of course MDs don’t speak for the plan in public-they would be ostracized and hrrassed by their colleagues with power in the state medical association as many have in Texas and elsewhere. Remember that the state med associations are TRADE UNIONs that promote the interests of physicans first, albeit often couched in spurious rhetoric of ‘patient safety’ and ‘quality care’ .
Posted by: DS | September 11, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
I work with nurses and medical professionals all over the country. I hear very few supporting this health care plan. Sure everyone agrees the current system needs major reforms but not that we need the Feds to run our lives, make our health decisions or use it to give themselves more power over our lives. It’s not a COnservative vs Liberal thing either whomever is in power abuses it from the start. The support Obama has from the Nursing unions does not reflect what the rank and file nurses feel unless they also happen to be ardent supporters of the current administration to begin with and react down the party line.
Posted by: carbonware | September 11, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
It is my suspicion that these”nurses” that are supporting obama are actually nuses aids or home health aides, both who often refer to themselves as “nurses” in the media and are not at all licensed nurses. I say this because this industry is heavily unionized..where RNs and APNs are not typically union positions…Just my suspicion and andectodal at best but I have heard this frequently from people in the medical community…Obama owns the unions, including the service union that encompasses minimally skilled health care providers such as CNAs or medical techs…
I’ll be marching with a gang of NPs and MDs tomorrow so we’ll see if the media notices our signs saying NO to reform by docs and nurses…betcha they won’t, lol…
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 11, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I have been in healthcare for 13 years (I am a RN) and I wish you would all stop lumping groups together. Just speak for yourselves. I believe that if the reform happens (exactly the way Obama intends it to) it would be the best thing for the patients in this country. That is why we became patient advocates. Think about them please.
Posted by: harmony | September 11, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Harmony:
Can you explain “exactly how obama wants it to happen”? Because I cannot seem to nail it down.
We can all have our own perspective on this but please know that we all have the patients well being in mind. Afterall, in addition to the patients we advocate for daily, our family and we ourselves are also patients..it’s universal so no question that our motive and goal is good health care.
thanks in advance for you answer.
Posted by: mjishernameo | September 11, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
I’ve been a registered nurse for 16 years; I’ve worked in a wide variety of settings; and I am unequivocally against Obama’s health care reform agenda. The American Nurses Association, which I am not a member of due to their leftward leanings, boasts 180,000 registered nurses as members. There are nearly 3 million registered nurses in the United States, not to mention all the hard-working practical and vocational nurses who are the backbone of much of the nursing care provided in this country. Point being, if you want to know the opinion of nurses, you probably ought to look beyond the ANA.
Posted by: Judy | March 3, 2010, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm