Ownership Society: What happened to health care’s new momentum?
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Fired up and ready to go — that’s all well and good. But weren’t we supposed to be there by now? Here’s the thing about the return to a campaign-style push: The campaign was supposed to be over, and President Obama already won. And the longer this goes on, the less it looks like he’s winning again. (The other side may or may not have met inflated crowd estimates in Washington, but that’s an army that can mobilize.) Yet another critical week begins with yet another reality check — and, after last week’s Joint Session of Congress, one fewer big weapon in trying to turn it around. The case gets personal: “I have no interest in having a bill get passed that fails,” President Obama said on “60 Minutes” Sunday, per ABC’s Jake Tapper. “That doesn’t work. You know, I intend to be president for a while, and once this bill passes, I own it. . . . I’m the one who’s going to be held responsible.” That’s a sentiment Republican leadership may not dispute (aside from the “president for a while” part). The speech is behind him, and yet: “Bottom-line views on health care reform have stabilized but failed to improve since President Obama addressed the nation, leaving him with a continued challenge in selling his plan to a public that remains skeptical about its benefits and costs alike,” ABC Polling Director Gary Langer writes of the new ABC News/Washington Post poll, taken in the days after the president’s Wednesday’s speech last week. “Obama shows some improvement. He’s stanched his losses, shored up his base and gained on a few specifics. But his speech was no game-changer: Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post poll divide by 48-48 percent on his handling of the issue and by 46-48 percent on the reform package itself, both essentially the same as their pre-address levels.” “Bottom line: right now, voters are almost exactly where they were before the speech,” per ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “And on the crucial what’s in it for me questions, for people who have health insurance, there’s no real progress after the president’s speech,” Stephanopoulos said on “Good Morning America” Monday. “If that public option goes away, real evidence that support for the package goes up.” What else has he got up his sleeve? “As Congress begins its second week back from August recess, the playing field is virtually level: Americans remain almost deadlocked in their opinion of the Democrats’ health-care initiative, with 46 percent in favor of the proposed changes and 48 percent opposed,” Jon Cohen and Dan Balz write in The Washington Post. “There is also a clean split on Obama’s handling of the issue, with 48 percent approving and the same number disapproving. But since mid-August, the percentage ‘strongly’ behind the president on health care has risen to 32 percent, evening out the intensity gap that has plagued him on the subject.” Why Tea Parties matter: “This August’s town-hall fury wasn’t just about the details of health care. Neither were the anti-Obama protests that crowded Washington over the weekend,” Ross Douthat writes in his New York Times column. “They were about the Wall Street bailout, the G.M. takeover, the A.I.G. bonuses, and countless smaller examples of middle-income Americans’ ‘playing by the rules,’ as [Frank] Luntz puts it, ‘and having someone else benefit.’ The bad news for Democrats is that actually passing a health care bill could further enflame these anxieties.” Why else they matter: “The ability to channel the wide-ranging frustrations expressed by speaker after speaker may determine whether beleaguered conservatives will be able to create a movement rivaling that which liberals used to help power Democrats back into the majority in the 2006 congressional elections and Barack Obama into the White House last year,” Kenneth P. Vogel and Alex Isenstadt write for Politico. Speaking of ownership: It’s the anniversary of the Lehman Brothers collapse, and President Obama is marking it by focusing on the financial crisis in a speech in New York. Per the White House: “In the afternoon, the President will deliver a major speech on the financial crisis at Federal Hall. He will discuss the aggressive steps the Administration has taken to bring the economy back from the brink, the commitment to winding down the government’s role in the financial sector and the actions the United States and the global community must take to prevent a crisis like this from ever happening again.” Is the public buying it? “One year after Wall Street teetered on the brink of collapse, seven out of 10 Americans lack confidence the federal government has taken safeguards to prevent another financial industry meltdown, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll,” the AP’s Jim Kuhnhenn reports. “Even more — 80 percent — rate the condition of the economy as poor and a majority worry about their own ability to make ends meet. The pessimistic outlook sets the stage for President Barack Obama as he attempts to portray the financial sector as increasingly confident and stable and presses Congress to act on new banking regulations.” “One year after the collapse of Lehman Brothers set off a series of federal interventions, the government is the nation’s biggest lender, insurer, automaker and guarantor against risk for investors large and small,” Edmund L. Andrews and David E. Sanger report in The New York Times. “Between financial rescue missions and the economic stimulus program, government spending accounts for a bigger share of the nation’s economy — 26 percent — than at any time since World War II. The government is financing 9 out of 10 new mortgages in the United States. If you buy a car from General Motors, you are buying from a company that is 60 percent owned by the government.” No new proposals, but new urgency: “Obama will use the backdrop of Federal Hall in New York City to try and revive efforts at revamping market regulations. The president will urge the financial community to support that goal and he will emphasize the need for global coordination on financial oversight, according to an administration official speaking on the condition of anonymity,” per Bloomberg’s Nicholas Johnston. “This address is to kindle support for regulatory reform that digs deep into the culture of corporate America, including his belief that corporations need to observe greater responsibility and executives need to trim [exorbitant] salaries and bonuses,” per ABC’s Ann Compton. “The president will tell Wall Street not to misread this moment, with the financial system stabilizing. He does not want them to return to the days of reckless excess,” ABC’s Jake Tapper reported on “GMA” Monday. “Obama will try to retake the initiative, capping other recent efforts in which top government officials have emphasized improvements in the economy and made the case anew for rewriting the nation’s financial rulebook,” Brady Dennis reports in The Washington Post. “He will urge members of the financial community ‘to take responsibility, not only to support reforming the regulatory system but also to avoid a return to the practices on Wall Street that led us to the financial crisis,’ an administration official said Sunday.”
The DNC marks the occasion with a Web video featuring commentary on how bad it all might have been: “Lest we forget.” Fueling skepticism: “The government handed out stimulus money far more slowly this summer than it had in the first weeks after the massive economic recovery plan started, even though President Obama and other members of his administration had vowed to hasten that aid,” USA Today’s Brad Heath reports. “In the 101 days after Obama signed the stimulus package in mid-February, the government allocated an average of more than $1.3 billion a day to new grants and projects. Since then, that pace has fallen to an average of about $1 billion a day, a drop of about 25%, according to federal agencies’ financial reports, current through Sept. 4.” Back on health care, the public option continues what looks like a long march into oblivion.
The Boston Globe’s Lisa Wangsness: “Leading moderates in both parties retreated further from the government-backed health insurance option yesterday, echoing the argument President Obama made last week that the issue had been overblown and that alternatives, such as private nonprofit cooperatives, might be acceptable.” If this is about getting even a single GOP vote: “I urged the president to take the public option off the table,” said Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine. The choice ahead: “The fate of the Obama health-care initiative could rest in large part with some members of his party’s left wing, who threaten to let the perfect be the enemy of the good,” Bloomberg’s Al Hunt writes. “In the end this is probably a bluff. If not, they will blow an opportunity that will take them years to recoup.” Said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass. (offering the prevailing view in House Democratic leadership): “There will be some threats, but ultimately most liberals will go along.” Trigger-happy? “I can support potentially a fallback [public option], but only if the private sector is allowed and given a great opportunity to get this right,” Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., said on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.” “I believe they can.” Snowe sounding similar themes: “We’ll be using the co-op as an option at this point, as the means for injecting competition into the process,” Snowe said. But does that get them in the clear? “The president’s apparent flexibility on the public insurance option does appear to have assuaged some centrist Democratic Senators on a key issue. But these Democrats remain resistant — particularly over the price tag, including how much reform will cost the government and what it will cost taxpayers,” David M. Drucker and Emily Pierce report for Roll Call. This is less than a dime, even: “I want to make sure it’s not going to add 1 cent to the deficit,” said Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb.
Robert Samuelson makes the case for intellectual honesty: “Obama’s selling of ‘reform’ qualifies as high-class hucksterism, but in fairness, many conservative opponents match or exceed his exaggerations and distortions with low-class fear-mongering.” One big reason why this all should still take a while — and why it’s still going to be messy, every step of the way: “Obama seems to lack one item that most presidents find helpful to have in their White House tool box: Fear,” Politico’s Ben Smith writes. “On the left and on the right, interest groups and members of Congress have been eagerly enjoying the rewards — publicity, negotiating leverage — of challenging the president or dissenting from his policies. . . . The practice has been encouraged by this president’s own intellectual and political style — a preference for negotiation, combined with a disinclination toward drawing bright lines about his own bottom line.” How about the docs? “This time, the voice of America’s doctors is on the other side — working not to defeat President Barack Obama’s proposals but to get them enacted into law,” Tribune Co.’s Kim Geiger and Tom Hamburger report. “And among the many reasons for the AMA’s historic shift is one practical consideration: Obama’s plan promises to provide millions of government dollars to help millions of patients pay their doctor bills.”
New ad Monday from Americans United for Change — a five-figure buy on DC cable. Political Consultant: “Congressman, as your political consultant…I’m sorry you lost… I was wrong. Turned out the voters hated the strangle hold the insurance companies have on health care.. raising premiums…cutting off people with pre-existing conditions… making health care decisions instead of doctors. And they didn’t much like the millionaire insurance CEO’s you were hanging with either. Guess your vote against health insurance reform turned out to be bad politics.” More fallout for Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C.: The House is still planning a floor vote condemning Wilson’s “you lie” comment — unless Wilson changes course and issues a formal apology on the House floor early this week. “Rep. Joe Wilson said Sunday that he is through apologizing for shouting ‘You lie!’ at President Obama during a health care speech before Congress last week,” ABC’s Russell Goldman reports. “Wilson told Fox News that he apologized to the president Wednesday and would not apologize again on the floor of the House, despite threats from Democrats to censure him.” Pressure back home: MoveOn.org is planning a protest Monday evening at Wilson’s district office in West Columbia, S.C. From the e-mail that went out to members: “We need to show Rep. Wilson that South Carolinians want solutions, not name calling, in the health care debate. He has to hear from us that we want Congress to enact President Obama’s health care plan, including a strong public option, right away.” Quite the troika to defend (sort of) President Obama, on Afghanistan: “We have reached a seminal moment in our struggle against violent Islamist extremism, and we must commit the ‘decisive force’ that Gen. McChrystal tells us carries the least risk of failure,” senators Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., and John McCain, R-Ariz., write in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “We believe that the short-term political reaction from Congress to any increase in troop numbers, no matter how small or large, will be essentially the same. The key question is whether the increase is substantial enough to have a decisive effect on the course of the war within the next 12 to 18 months. If we are to send more of our brave men and women in uniform into harm’s way, we should do so in a way that carries the greatest probability of success.” Fun in the family tree…. The Boston Globe’s Farah Stockman, reporting from Kogelo, Kenya: “Now that Obama has moved to the White House, expectations of financial benefit have grown even greater in this tiny hamlet where water is still delivered to thatched huts on the backs of donkeys. ‘There are still those who are waiting for him to send millions,’ said Nicholas Rajula, a Kogelo businessman.” Sen. Ted Kennedy’s memoir, “True Compass,” is in bookstores this week. “He really respected people who stuck at it, and kept going, no matter what their station in life,” Ted Kennedy Jr. told ABC’s Diane Sawyer on “GMA” Monday. Said Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I.: “You know the movie, ‘The Bucket List?’ He accomplished everything he really wanted to accomplish the last year.” “They were amazing moments,” Ted Jr. said.
The Kicker:
“Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Waterloo!” — Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., speaking at the Tea Party rally in Washington.
“I intend to be president for a while.” — President Obama, on “60 Minutes.”
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Reform is still on track, nothing has spiraled out of control since Wednesday, despite the media’s best efforts to take Obama down. Reform will get done by the end of the month. What’s wrong with that?
Posted by: matt | September 14, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am
The media is trying to spin support down for the public option. They are looking out for advertisers. Money in play. It’s plainly obvious that the Majority of Americans support this president and the public option.
Posted by: rightbehind | September 14, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am
The Democrats won the Majority the President Won the Majority and the Republicans were FIRED Due to their disasters of the last 8 years, WHY DO THE DEMOCRATS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA HAVE TO CAVE INTO REPUBLICAN DEMANDS? The people clearly fired the republicans in the last 2 elections they are the minority they have no right to place DEMANDS On the majority let them stick to their paid for Tea parties by the Insurance Companies
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 14, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am
rightbehind ———- Depends on which poll you look at. There is certainly no overwhelming support for this plan. It’s not a good plan and they need to take the time and go line by line to make sure all loopholes and issues are covered instead of ramming it through. Public option can be added later if this succeeds.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
When health insurance cost bankrupt this country like it did the auto makers so help me if one republican says why didn’t you democrates do anything, I might go Rush Limbaugh on them. You know crazy.
Posted by: Macrose | September 14, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Angie in PA—– “Caving” in is not what we need. I think we the people would like to see both sides work together to give us their honest proposal which best suits we the people. Is that so difficult to ask for? We do pay their slaries and should get 100% participation in this.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Ifrichar
I agree But the Republicans are making it clear THEY DO NOT WANT TO WORK TOGETHER! Not one single Republican has came out in a Bi-Partisan manner except Sen Mccain. Republicans are too busy thinking of ways to destroy the President and the Democrats to regain power!or they want things all their way!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 14, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Obama Lied, healcare reform died !
Posted by: bob | September 14, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
BOB
Its spelled HEALTHCARE! And what did President Obama Lie about or are you drinking Wilsons and Fox News Kool-aids?
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 14, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
The Republicans seem to be playing a very cynical game, trying to stop healthcare reform in order to rebuild their own party. I think what the President is doing is perfect: he is just calmly reiterating why we need reform, what it will mean for most Americans, and how it will work. Olympia Snowe seems to be the only Republican seriously trying to shape the bill, for the sake of the country. I am so tired of this partisan wrangling. You will never convince half the country that healthcare reform is a good thing because the Republicans do such a good job of spreading misinformation. That’s just the way it is.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Obama lies—-whatever he claims this health scam is, one thing is certain–that it won’t be what Obama says it is.
BTW Angie….Obama not only lied about the illegals, but the abortion part is a lie–the public option in one house bill would cover abortions.
The CBO states clearly that Obama’s bill would add to the deficit, but Obama lied about this too that night.
He also lied about the 34 state insurance being controlled by 5 or fewer insurance companies—it isn’t for the whole insurance industry.
He also lied about people forced to change doctors—-businesses would certainly chose the cheaper route pushing their people now covered onto the government plan which in turn would force people to change doctors.
And then there are the articles about Obama lying about the cases for the heart string of his supposed insurance abuses. You know the acne case–turns out was a lie…. You know the Gallstone case–turns out was also a lie.
Posted by: PotatoeGater22 | September 14, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
None of the bills in their present form should be passed. The Congressional Budget Office has said they will not lower costs and will increase the debt of the federal government. The Congressional Research Office has made similar remarks including that there is no way that the present bills will be able to pay for full medical costs if there are no limits on coverage and no pre-existing conditions.
The estimated costs by both of these non-partisan agencies far exceeds the revenue from any new tax plan the administration may come up with.
Until such time as they can come up with a plan which does not increase the debt of the federal government by a single dime then I have to vote against any such plan no matter how bad it may be needed. We budget our own lives to spend no more than we make and the idiots in DC need to live within the same means. No President since Herbert Hoover has reduced the debt of the federal government during his administration, all since have borrowed money to balance theri budget.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | September 14, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Some of you are living in the past. let me set you straight, THE PUBLIC OPTION IS DEAD. Any questions?
Posted by: billy bob | September 14, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am
from the WSJ article PotaoeGrater cites:
“Private health insurance cannot function if people buy insurance only after they become seriously ill, or if they knowingly conceal health conditions that might affect their policy.”
That sums up the present state of healthcare insurance in this country, its a strictly FOR PROFIT industry, so can blame them for dropping sick people? THIS is why we need a public option.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Once a person has had a frontal Limbaughtomy, the procedure cannot be reversed. So, of course, all the brainwashed (and braindead) haters out there will not change their minds (that is assuming they have one left) regardless of how many times our President attempts to assure them that all the lies they have heard over the summer just aren’t true!!! They still want to believe there are “death panels”, “abortion on demand”, “free health care for illegals”, “government takeover of health care”, etc. etc. As the saying goes, you can’t fix stupid!!
Posted by: geecee | September 14, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
matt wrote “Reform is still on track, nothing has spiraled out of control since Wednesday, despite the media’s best efforts to take Obama down. Reform will get done by the end of the month. What’s wrong with that?” What planet are you from, Matt? The media is trying to take down the person they got elected?! Please tell me how that works.
Posted by: s | September 14, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Reform is still on track, nothing has spiraled out of control since Wednesday, despite the media’s best efforts to take Obama down. Reform will get done by the end of the month. What’s wrong with that?
Posted by: matt
LOL, DESPITE the media’s best efforts to take Obama down ??????
He is President BECAUSE of the Media. It is the American People who have woken up and have had enough of him already.
No President has ever had better overall media coverage, the MSM has gone out if its own way to blame everyone else on the planet BUT Obama for his own failings.
Posted by: Mike_C | September 14, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Ifrichar
I agree But the Republicans are making it clear THEY DO NOT WANT TO WORK TOGETHER! Not one single Republican has came out in a Bi-Partisan manner except Sen Mccain. Republicans have no fewer than three different reform options that just don’t seem to get air time on the mainstream media. Imagine that.
Posted by: s | September 14, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Angie in PA | Sep 14, 2009 9:24:33 AM…….Last time I looked, The USA was still a free country. Are we in the same country?
Posted by: deanbob | September 14, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
rightbehind | Sep 14, 2009 9:12:24 AM….Spot on. Follow the money trail. It isn’t a Rep or Dem issue, its a corruption issue.
Posted by: deanbob | September 14, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Mike_C | Sep 14, 2009 11:25:59 AM….To piggy back on your post…. No previous president has had so little ‘vetting’ of all issues raised during the campaign by the MSM.
Posted by: deanbob | September 14, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Amy in Maine – Would you please enlighten all of us where specifically in the United States Constitution either the Executive branch or the Legislative branch is given the power to get involved in providing a government run healthcare system for all of the citizens of this great country? The Constitution lists 17 enumerated powers of the Legislative branch and I cannot find providing healthcare listed as one of them nor can I find it listed as a power granted to the Executive branch. Please read the 10th amendment and enlighten us why the providing of healthcare would be a federal government responsibility and not the responsibility of individual states in accordance with the 10th amendment.
Where in this document does it state that we all have the right to healthcare (it may be a moral right but I mean a granted right by the Constitution) even if we cannot afford to pay for it out of our own pocket? If I can afford my own healthcare insurance and then am forced through increased taxation to pay for your health insurance am I not now a slave to you as I provide the fruits of my labor to you and you provide nothing to me in return?
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | September 14, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am
The public is not skeptical. They want the public option. Freedom is; “not having to line a ceo’s pockets”!
Posted by: rightbehind | September 14, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
If Obama or anyone else is serious about health care reform, then their plan has to include:
1) Tort reform to bring down medical costs.
2) Provisions to make sure that those in the U.S. illegally can’t get public health care. Let’s not forget that governments worldwide have trouble preventing illegal aliens from benefiting from social programs.
3) Discourage legal immigration from people that are only interested in moving to the U.S. in order to get free medical care. This is already a problem in Canada where “free” health care encourages people with little or no earning power to immigrate to the country–and then sponsor relatives to immigrate to Canada as well, knowing they will quickly be eligible for all benefits including health care. There has to be something like a residency provision that states you must have lived in the U.S. at least 10 years to get any kind of public health care. Naturally, the immigration/cheap labor lobby will try to stifle this part of the debate but they must be actively resisted.
Unless these issues are addressed, no health care reform of any kind has any hope of succeeding.
Posted by: J Henry | September 14, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
The public is not skeptical. They want the public option.
LIES, LIES, & MORE LIES
The President’s Plan got some bounce in the polls BECAUSE the public option was down played and by most analysts assessments the “public option” is DEAD!
Other nomentclatures will be used to ressurect it I am sure, but the American People do NOT …REPEAT NOT want this kind of gov’t plan!
Get over it already and lets move on to get some reforms passed (no pre-exisiting conditions…etc) and then instead of giving the gov’ 4 years to create another mess, lets take time to REALLY TRULY understand the costing structures of the healthcare industry. NOT RHETORIC, but REAL DATA!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 14, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Sandcrab1612
Personally, I don’t think of healthcare as a “right.” I also don’t think people have “a right” to drive on safe highways, drink clean water from municipal sources, or be protected from e coli in their spinach, but I would hope, as an advanced country, we would be able to achieve these standards in our country. So many countries, don’t.
When Mitt Romeny’s father was President of American Motors, he made three times as much as a worker on the assembly line. Today’s CEO’s make 300 times as much as their typical employee. George Bush’s tax cuts cost $1.35 trillion dollars, and primarily benefitted that top 1%. I say, something is seriously out of whack in our society. It isn’t that I think poor and stupid people should get our handouts at taxpayer’s expense, its that I think the system is untenable for everybody. Why should small companies struggle to pay for health insurance for their employees, why should self employed carpenters, restaurant workers, and retail workers go without health care because we have to protect the salaries of health insurance company CEOs? It isn’t so much compassion I feel, its frustration at how inefficient our whole system is. Healthcare costs are an enormous expense in this country, and that hurts our whole economy.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
If Obama wasn’t such a crook—–there are actually lots that could be done to improve the health insurance problems that wouldn’t even cost taxpayers money. But atlas, Obama’s health scam is about money and power for the communist party so Obama won’t be making health care insurance portable nor will he allow people to shop across state lines for better priced insurance saving people thousands.
Posted by: PotatoeGater22 | September 14, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
“Bottom line: right now, voters are almost exactly where they were before the speech,” per ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.
Obviously, the grossly overblown smear campaign against Joe Miller to boost support for Obamacare hasn’t worked. And why would anyone expect an angry attack speech to win anyone over? Give it up, the plan stinks, we don’t want it rammed done our throats!
Posted by: keys2truth | September 14, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
“there are actually lots that could be done to improve the health insurance problems that wouldn’t even cost taxpayers money.”
So why didn’t the Republicans purpose any of these “free” changes when they had control of Congress and the Presidency? All I remember is the push to privatize social security – a few years before the stock market crashed.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
“The speech is behind him, and yet: “Bottom-line views on health care reform have stabilized but failed to improve since President Obama addressed the nation, leaving him with a continued challenge in selling his plan to a public that remains skeptical about its benefits and costs alike,”
He has two problems just like a used car dealership:
1. The product is a piece of junk.
2. The salesman has a bad reputation and the public can’t trust him.
Posted by: keys2truth | September 14, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
“The salesman has a bad reputation and the public can’t trust him.”
I disagree, President Obama has an excellent reputation and is the best advocate of health care reform because people trust him. I mean normal people.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
So why didn’t the Republicans purpose any of these “free” changes when they had control of Congress and the Presidency? All I remember is the push to privatize social security – a few years before the stock market crashed.
Posted by: Amy in Maine
Amy,
We can play that game ALL DAY from BOTH SIDES. GET OF YOUR HIGH LIBERAL HORSE!
Obama “claims” he is going to get over 500 Billion from Medicare in waste.
Why didn’t HE, Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Rangel, Dodd….etc EVER create legislation or even bring this up as a way to reduce the cost of Medicare or to pay for SCHIP or reduce the debt ?
Remember Obama was a memeber of a DEMOCRATIC controlled congress over the last 2 years of the Bush Administration!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 14, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
disagree, President Obama has an excellent reputation and is the best advocate of health care reform because people trust him. I mean normal people.
Posted by: Amy in Maine
LOL…..SO now the polls do not include “normal” people!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 14, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Mike_C
Get your head on straight.
You think a Democratic house and a senate with a Democratic majority of ONE, could write and pass a bill reforming healthcare which George Bush would simply veteo?
Change ain’t easy. That’s why healthcare reform had to wait for a President with Barack Obama’s skills to ever attempt it.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Mike_C | Sep 14, 2009 2:47:43 PM
When someone like, Amy in Maine, not too subtly, suggests I’m not normal, I take it as a compliment.
She’s welcome to disagree with my post. And if I had thought her response contained any intellectual substance, I would have offered her a direct response.
LOL with you Mike
Posted by: keys2truth | September 14, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
“”"”"healthcare reform had to wait for a President with Barack Obama’s skills to ever attempt it.”"”"”
Posted by: Amy in Maine
And what specific “skills” are you referring to? Obama insists with the public option, he believes only 5% would move to the option so 5% of 250 million is 12.5 million. His numbers 30 million + 12.5 is 42.5 million right? $900 billion over 10 years and deficit neutral right? What happens when 10% instead of 5% hop on his bandwagon? That would require $200 billion more and somewhere to get it from. This administration has math skills equal to the previous administration. Remember, a program as simple as “Cash for Clunkers” was overbudget by 66%. Credibility in question?
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
The Dems have rejected the GOP HC Bill and Tom Coburns bill (probably without even reading it) and they have made no additions the GOP suggests, but the GOP is stonewalling this? Are we supposed to believe there is absolutely nothing the GOP can add to this bill? I find it hard to believe. So, Dems, go ahead and pass this bill alone as it will be your slow removal from power. I dare you!
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Sec 164 of HR3200 (can you say unions?):Not later than 90 days after
15 the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary
16 of Health and Human Services shall establish a tem17
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21 retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses
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Posted by: deanbob | September 14, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
The republican party has become a radical group of selfish, religious fanatics with no regard for the betterment of our nation and our people. Unfortunately, our country was taken into a serious state of decline under the Bush administration, and the republican party has now pushed us past the tipping point.
Posted by: jmb | September 14, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
“”"”"”"”"”"our country was taken into a serious state of decline under the Bush administration, and the republican party has now pushed us past the tipping point.”"”"”"”"”
Posted by: jmb
How have they done this? The Dems have controlled Congress for almost 3 years and they have had the WH for 8 months. It seems to me there’s plenty of blame to go around. Can you explain the sudden fall of our housing market and economy shortly after the Democrats got hold of the purse strings? Our government did this to us and they have been almost 50-50 for a long while now. Oh, you hate GOP. Well, that explains why it is all the Republicans fault. Good job partisan boy!
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Rick, physicians, nurses, and health care professionals take oaths to keep individuals and the public healthy and do their very best to help patients turn their illnesses into wellness. There are fundamental differences between Republican and Democrat points of view towards health care. When lying and distortion becomes the new “truths”, then fundamental differences are tossed out, and human charcter starts being measured. Scare tactics become the truth instead of facts. Frankly, doctors and nurses are tired of seeing the same patients over and over again especially when those patients don’t take responsibility for their own health. They want someone else to care for them or be responsible for them, they want a “mommy” and a “daddy”, raising health care premiums and medicines everywhere. We must have a public option or health care reform to have one more choice to get away from those patients who irresponsibly raise our premiums through their own lack of discipline. We need health care reform to give those of us who only need prevention and wellness programs, not full scale health insurance. We go to see the doctor every two to fives years instead of once a month or once a week. That’s health care abuse.
Rick, there will be plenty of individuals, groups, and businesses who will benefit and utilize health care reform. They will be able to save health care dollars to put into productivity, sales, advertising, 401Ks, research, even savings, etc. Individuals will be able to afford to save or have more dollars for reasonable consumption, commodities, housing, education, retirement, etc. This health care reform brings options to the table in order to make wiser decisions, and provide clarity to a current blurred and out of cost control system.
Rick, don’t worry, there will be plenty of individuals, groups, and businesses, who will use this health care reform, and the “right” knows this, therefore, they make as much noise to keep facts from being known. These scare tactics keep inquisitive individuals away from obtaining information since they don’t want to get marred from the fray. On the other hand, these individuals have internet, can go to whitehouse.gov and get fact checks, and information back that is factual with no lies or loud noices, or abusive pushing and shouting. Rick, health care reform is alive and well with plenty who will benefit with savings at that. What a win win situation Rick. America deserves the best, and health care reform will ensure the best in wellness, prevention, healing, and competitive cost savings. That’s America — the land of the free to pursuit happiness through more healthy lives in abilities to become more wealthy through effective cost savings including health care in reform.
Posted by: Elle | September 14, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Mike_C
“WHY was that source of revenue not used for ANY other issue BY EITHER PARTY!!!!”
Waste by any other name is PROFIT to some corporation, i.e. 8 out of every 10 hospital bills contain erors (and they benefit the hospital, not the patient.)
Why do health insurance comapanies pay these bills? Because they get a discount from the hospitals, that helps off set these over-charges, but who gets stuck paying for this waste? Un-insured people, or under-insured people pay the full price, insured people pay higher prices in premiums. Our system is rife with waste, premiums keep going up, health care costs keep going up, its a systemic problem and it takes a major overhaul to straighten it out.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Elle —- Long post! So is it your belief that a government run insurance program will reduce actual health care costs? I believe it “might” reduce some insurance premiums, but it will do absolutely nothing to reduce health care costs. It doesn’t address costs! You also believe the Wh is going to tell you the whole truth about this government run insurance program? Do you agree Insurance and health care costs are 2 seperate issues? You do realize IF health care costs were to see a reduction, our insurance premiums might follow? Lower health care cost through regulation, eliminate fraud and abuse through oversight and control insurance and procedural costs and tort reform and you might start reforming a system. Simply creating a government subsidized insurance company is not the answer.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Angie in PA –” agree But the Republicans are making it clear THEY DO NOT WANT TO WORK TOGETHER! Not one single Republican has came out in a Bi-Partisan manner except Sen Mccain”–
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really, Republicans are making that clear??? there are currently 4 republican bills in congress that address healthcare reform with multiple ideas from Co-ops to targeted coverage for uninsured americans without any governemtn intervention into the healthcare coverage of the 85% of people who currently have coverage. Yet, not one single democrat has even considered the possibility of reconciling any republican strategies, AND when teh original Kennedy bill was first reconciled in the senate (just like when the stimulus was written) Republicans were not even invited to participate.
The fact is that rebublicans would be willing to work with democrats if only teh dems would stop ramrodding their socialist agenda down everyone’s throat.
Posted by: arkie vet | September 14, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
“”"”"”Our system is rife with waste, premiums keep going up, health care costs keep going up, its a systemic problem and it takes a major overhaul to straighten it out.”"”"”
Posted by: Amy in Maine
So attack waste and costs first is exactly my point. What is creating a government subsidized health insurance company going to do to change actual health care costs? Sure, maybe you will save $50-75 a month on premiums, but what else is it doing to address the real cost issue?
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
I support Amy,
Under Clinton’s rule the country did well, under George’s rule it is in debt, has wars to reconcile with, and depression to tackle. Obama is suggesting something that will benefit majority on a serious issue. Health is a serious issue for most of us..not financial issue. Those opposing this bill are either insurance carriers or people paid by them.
Posted by: Hitesh | September 14, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
“”"”"Obama is suggesting something that will benefit majority on a serious issue. Health is a serious issue for most of us..not financial issue. Those opposing this bill are either insurance carriers or people paid by them. “”"”"
Posted by: Hitesh
Then please explain why the majority of Americans are against THIS bill? It is a FINACIAL issue! So the majority of Americans are either carriers of paid by them? Wow are you out of touch. Obama is paid to work for all of us and when the people are overwhelmingly against something, it is his duty to listen.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
“Health is a serious issue for most of us..not financial issue.”
Posted by: Hitesh | Sep 14, 2009 4:46:47 PM
LOL
Posted by: keys2truth | September 14, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Senate Bipartisan group letter,”"”“While we are committed to providing relief for American families as quickly as possible,” the lawmakers wrote, “we believe taking additional time to achieve a bipartisan result is critical for legislation that affects 17 percent of our economy and every individual in the U.S.”
The letter to Senate leaders Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was spearheaded by Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), with Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) also signing on, according to Roll Call.”"”"”
So for all of you blaming the GOP for delaying, Baucus the other day said he would ram this through this week if they didn’t come up with a compromise. Give them time and it will work.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 14, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
lfrichar
One cause of the high cost of healthcare is the number of un-insured people out there, many of whose bills have to be written off at a loss by hospitals and doctors.
Both sides agree, we ALL pay for those losses in higher costs and higher premiums. Under Obama’s bill, everyone will have to carry health insurance. That will keep health care providers from being stuck with deliquent bills, that means they can lower what they charge patients for care.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 14, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm