Pelosi and Reid Tell President: We Have the Votes; President Wants Bill Passed Soon

xly, you may well think you have the votes – but, SURPRISE!!!

DISASTER COMING… We need to write our reps, call the white house… STOP THIS! They just announced they will also raise the ceiling for the National Debt. Good God what the heck is going on! Who is in charge of the finances?

Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!
Crisis! Emergency! Disaster!!
They want you to believe the sky is falling, so they can ram this terrible legislation none of them have read dow your throats.
“Never let a good crisis go to waste…”

Please, join us in DC on 9/12/09…. they need to be overwhelmed at how many of us are out there

Has this Govt not learned a thing by the shot fired over their bow by the August Town Halls? Another used dog food piece of legislation they are going to try to rush through to passage. Light up the phone lines at the congressional switchboard America.

I pray that they force it through, it will be the last time Pelosi, Reid and Obama ever hold elected office. Reid isn’t going to either way, stick a fork in him because he’s already done.

This is only about seizing power — and working to enslave the Citizens of this Country.

LIARS.

More evidence that these democrat politicians have no concern for the American people. They need to be voted out in 2010.

Diametrically against both the American people and the Constitution.
If they pass anything, it will be the last straw for many.

Just say NO to the Socialism Change!!!

This is just another false alarm. Moderate democrats can’t be this dumb. Or can they????? I’m calling BS on this as this is like the third time we’ve seen such a headline on drudge.

Pelosi and Reid Tell President: We Have the Votes; … let’s see they don’t have a bill yet…. but they have enough votes to pass it………….

Fortunately it is only 15 months till the next election. Call your congressman and remind them of this.

If something is good and wanted there would be no need to hurry, it would simply be demanded by the vast majority. In this case, it is quite the opposite. And what Obama and Reid and Pelosi seem the most concerned about is doing something in a hurry to save their political behinds. They are more concerned about their party and less concerned about doing what is right. That is why the silent majority is simply rising to step upon the cockroach infestation that is today’s presidency and congress.

and what??? the hell with what we the people want??? 85% that work hard and buy their own health insurance will not get it stuck because the remainder that don’t have it, are either ILLEGAL aliens or young people or others that CHOOSE not to have it??? NO ONE can be REFUSED medical treatment RIGHT NOW for FREE!!!!! ITS THE LAW…but yet now we want to turn EVERYTHING over to an ILLEGAL president who is NOT a NATURAL BORN citizen who is ursuping the office of US President and DESTROYING this country in the process, looks like its back to the phones to scream at these people we mean what we say….they work for US, not us working for them, even though we already are working for THEM! God help us, you think these past 8 months have had things happen quickly?? within a year, year and a half at best, you won’t even recognize this country…

We can do 1994 again. Oh, YES WE CAN.

…does anyone still question the purpose and end use of the Second Amendment?

6 million people that want and need health care insurance and can’t afford it. 60 million that say “Healthcare NOW! 240 million that don’t want this unconstitutional tyrannical tax and Nazi encroachment on their rights. Hey US Government! What cha’ think is going to happen when you go against “We the People” this time? You really want to roll those dice? I say bring it you scumbags

They mean hurry before the people of Nevada vote out Dirty Harry and the sane people vote out their congressional democrats. My Blue Dog is going to lose BIG TIME!! He promised not to vote for the bill, but he did vote for Nancy as Leader, and that has sent his approval rating plummeting.
Dirty Harry and Naughty Nancy mean hurry so they can try and pull the wool over our eyes.
We vote you jerks!

it doesn’t matter if they get voted out. They have padded their pens already and could careless. All of them still get their retirement and their gold plated health care all paid at government expense. Stay tuned the silient majority revolution is about to begin.

they will be voted out of office the next time around, guaranteed.

If they pass this, I hope they are ready for a revolution.

Comrades – we are not smart enough to figure this out for ourselves. The Party and the Chairman will ensure health and welfare for all. Fear not – the State will provide. Welcome to the new America.

Classic Saul Alinsky – stretch the system to it’s breaking point so that the citizens revolt.

Just typical. Obama’s approval rating is dropping like a stone. Somehow he thinks it’s going to go up by passing this unconstitutional healthcare bill.
It will just further plummet and further push America towards a european socialist style country.
What the hell happened to the Republic?

NO NO NO, we do not want a public options EVER!

Thier arrogance has no boundries!!! Actually it is thier communist beliefs that is driving thier power grabbing actions. WE ARE THE CASH COW AMERICA.Just keep paying whatever they want from us, and it does not matter if your kids starve.

How about giving everyone the same health care plan those in Congress receive? Shouldn’t be too hard for them to extend their “golden parachute” to the masses they claim to represent.

They may get a healthcare bill passed, HOWEVER, I’ll wager it’s going to be “DECADES” BEFORE ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IS ELECTED PRESIDENT!!! Another “black” President??? NOT LIKELY—Obama has pretty much RUINED IT for any REASONABLE “BLACK” CANDIDATE IN THE FUTURE!!! And, I don’t think Americans will EVER wipe-out checks & balances again, as they did in the 2008 elections!!!! This Administration DOES NOT CARE—do you hear me???—DOES NOT CARE WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAY, OR WANT!

When the Constitution is violated is it breaking the law? What authority does Congress “believe” they have to force government health care down on us, do we not have enough problems, now we will wait in line for specialist, I need to tell my oldest daughter in Pre-Med not to bother with becoming a Doctor, she can go on welfare rolls and receive the same benefits, isnt that what this all about, redistribution of wealth to persons that did not earn it?

It is hard to grasp how Harry and Nancy make life changing decisions for millions of people……….

I am at a loss for words.
I am now looking for a pitchfork.

It took Obama 6 months to pick a dog and he expects to jam this down my throat in 90 days???
the arrogance!

Enemies foreign and domestic…

duh duh duh george…we got the votes we got the votes…it depends on whats in the bill but we got the votes we got the votes……
I am laughing my self onto the floor…

Wow, the American public has become a lynch mob. I bet not a single commenter on this article has read the health care reform bill from cover to cover. I certainly have and to the other Brian, what’s the rush? Are you serious? We have 50 million people in this country with no health insurance. I am one of them. I work hard and have worked hard my entire life yet I cannot find an employer in my industry who offers affordable health care and then idiots like you and these other commenters say things like “What’s the rush?”. Well I have news for all of you people who have not read the bill yourselves and therefor have no idea what it REALLY says or provides. Something is going to pass, it may not have the public option but all of you “haters” are going to have to eat it whether you like it or not. So instead of lying, making ridiculous statements, or trying to leave your fellow Americans out in the cold, try offering some constructive criticism. And to the people making the reelection comments. These people are in office because we are sick and tired of the Republicans running this country into the ground while at the same time doing NOTHING to assist citizens here at home.

“We the People” will impose our “term limits” this time around: Drain the swamp . . . every last one of them!

REVOLUTION!!!!

1776 anyone? It happened once, it can happen again!

Republicans should not vote for this legislation. Let the Democrats eat their own crap sandwich.

YES we WANT a Public Option – the current system is in a shambles, people. You get really sick, and you’re bankrupt! – that is unconscionable!
Lifetime GOP in FAVOR of Obama’s Healthcare Reform

WHERE ARE THE DOGS?

You say you want a revolution? I cannot believe the arrogance and the willful disregard of the constitution. This is absolutely sick and despite the propaganda most Americans don’t want it. Our only hope is to vote in the people that can overturn this authoritarian commie crap.

Am I the only one that smells a bluff?

Do you need a VALID birth certificate to qualify for the Public Option?

Revolution is in the air…

If they ram this through…they lose 2010.

Relosi, Reid and Obama….go ahead and ram it through. See ya’s in 2010!!

We are going to RAM this Health Care Bill down your throat and you are going to like it !! If not, I’m goin gto impose a new tax on you of $3500.00
Just what we need. Grrrrrrr
God, please get us to 2010 elections so we can throw these bums out!!!!

So who cares what the citizenry thinks, right? They thought ’94 was bad? Wait until the bloodbath of 2010!

I am gladd pass this quick, the system as it is has fail. and I need insurance now.

We need a 100% change our of the house of reps next year and 1/3rd of the Senators. The time is now,I don’t care if they are a Repub, Demo or Ind, if they are in office now, they shoyuldn’t be after the next election. They are either corrupt, communists or idiots, time for new leadership for our country and we aren’t going to find it in this crowd.

Watching the Democrats in Congress and Senate is like watching a crazed lunatic threatening to commit suicide. I am amazed, here they are we have enough bullets and the gun and we are going to pull the trigger. Well go ahead and commit political suicide and your political careers will be over in 2010, actually I think it is over for most of the Democrats and many of the Republicans. They have lost their minds because they have obviously forgot WHO they work for and WHO put them there and WHO can take them out.

You vote yes now….We’ll vote you no in 2010 and 2012!

So now we know for sure that what WE THE PEOPLE want has nothing to do with what the politicians are going to do. They are elitist, socialist pigs who are only interested in their own power, money and control. Say good-bye to privacy. Oh, maybe not right away, but you can be sure that all of this is purely a power grab. Did I just hear the word revolution go by????

so they have the votes on a bill that doesn’t even exist yet? That tells me all I need to know about this bunch of misfits. What a disgrace.
wake up, america

Health Care and health insurance are two vastly different things.
The insurance risk is completely in proportion to litigators success at extracting money from juries .
this is the SHAM in “shambles”

Let’s see if I have this right. We’re going to get government-run healthcare whether the American people want it or not. Along with another $1.6 trillion in debt. Along with IRS enforcement, a huge bureaucracy similar to the UK (the largest single employer, with 1.4 MILLION employees), cuts in medicare, and “free” healthcare.
Whether we want it or not, because the Democrats “have the votes”.

AMERICANS – Pelosi and Reid can do this because their people keep voting them in term after term!!!!!!! Wake Up San Fran and Las Vegas!!!!!!!!!!
Time to flush the toilets in 2010 & 2012. Enough of this insanity!!!!!!

“If anything passes against the will of those Americans on whose backs and hard labor this financial monstrosity will fall, there will be a ‘revolution’ in this country”
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The majority of polls over time have shown a majority of Americans support the public option and universal coverage.
This is a democracy, surely you’ve heard of it? Your extremist rhetoric is terrible.

What a mess these morons are going to get us into. Why can’t they just fix Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA medical services and include the uninsured before going off and making a even bigger mess? We already subsidize the uninsured. They couldn’t run a traveling carnival, how in the hell are they going to take this on? My gawd what a travesty.

People are going to have a huge wake up call with this one. The Dems are jamming Socialism down our throats. Stupid idiots fell for the Obama BS hook line and sinker. Now this is where it lands us….in hell! Our country that was fought for so we could have rights, is now nothing but a bunch of Hollywood type idols brainwashing the American public.
This is just the beginning of government take over of everything!

There are certainly enough votes to pass legislation that is fundamentally inconsisttent with what has been the American character, and I’m sure this congress will do precisely that. If I were younger I would care much more than I do. I don’t think this is a good time to be a young American. Very few will be able to have lives as bounteous, fulfilling and free as mine has been. And they won’t even know what they’ve missed.

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Obama already set one dead line for health care opps I mean health insurance ahhh what are we calling it this week … well anyway I though 6 months ago Obama promised to have a deal done by the end of July. Ohhh wait, the media set that deadline yeaa okay.

Why the rush to pass something? I’ll tell you why: They don’t want it examined closely by the public because they know damn well we won’t like it. So much for Obama being ‘for the people’. He doesn’t even like us. He likes only himself. It’s all about him.

Those nerds in the Democratic party better not pass any Government controlled insurance plan. The American people will kick everyone of them out of office in 2010 if they do so! These jerks are way off base and operating way outside of their Constitutional authority interferring in the private health insurance of personal people and it is just one of the most evil and immoral acts of people to insert their power over others in medical issues!!

The right wingers don’t care in the majority of Americans support a public option and universal coverage.
The right wingers have their sick message to pound out. Just watch . ..

So we MUST hurry!! Get this passed NOW! And don’t forget, even though this so VERY urgent, it WON’T go into effect until AFTER the next presidential election…… Hmmmmmm….. If this is such a GREAT idea, why wait???

Amazing what this demonstrates. Half the country, if not more, is vehemently opposed to a national health care service provider because they don’t believe government should be that involved in an ineherently personal decision, and, frankly, they understand that “deficit neutral” is as honest a representation of the true cost as Enron’s, Arthur Andersen’s, and WorldCom’s accounting practices. They also know, that despite the budgetary sleight-of-hand, once the true cost is exposed to me much greater than forecasted, it’s not going to go away, rather, good money will be thrown after bad with no recourse for the public as yet another entitlement has been created. Despite what many conservatives may believe, they’re not stupid and they know exactly what they’re doing. It’s their belief that despite your real objection to increased socialization of health care (it’s already have socialized folks!), they know better. They know how to provide health care better despite most democrats lacking real wealth producing job expierence or any job experience at all. After all, they decry the inadequacies and inefficiencies of Medicare and Medicaid, yet they created and oversee it. Now, this time they’ll get it right and at no additional cost. They claim they’ll reduce costs by insuring additional millions yet fail to recognize price is primarily a function of supply and demand and always has been. They’re only increasing demand, not supply. I’m tired of being maligned and treated as if I’m some child by our elected leaders. I’m tired of my objection to their anointed vision (see Thomas Sowell) being met with a roll of the eyes and contempt. I’m tired of being marginalized by a national government too large, too arrogant, and too incompetent to see its own impotence in providing social justice.
Sorry for the diatribe,
John Galt
Official Fiber of the Astroturf

Why pass a bill the American people does not want? I was not born in the US but I have always admired the Americans and their democracy. This shoveling of ideas and bills down their throats seem somewhat like the actions of a dictator. I don’t think the democrats are going to win any elections any more..

The right wingers don’t care if the majority of Americans support a public option and universal coverage.
The right wingers have their sick message to pound out. Just watch …

Cramming health insurance down our throats, fining the he** out of those who are non-compliant, making energy unaffordable, taxing soft drinks, ridiculing our nation, ridiculing the American people… Dictate, dictate, dictate. Communists in the White House, Communist czars, liars, cheat, and frauds. This man has done more damage to this nation in 7 months than any other has done after two terms in office. Both Obama and Congress need to be gone. We can certainly run our country better than they can.

Hey goth, silly boy or girl. You don’t fool us. No honest self respecting republican or democrat would support the real issue here which is that they want a “public” option so they can bilk they money out of it for other things.
Oh Wait a minute, maybe your comments do reveil something. “Under the current system you get sick and go bankrupt”
By the way, rarely if ever.
Under Obama care, you get sick and die.
I’ll keep my current health care.
Stay tuned.

Oligarchy – Look it up and pass it out…

I’m getting tired of having to constantly keep an eye on my Congressmen. What a multitude of political busybodies we are forced to deal with from hour to hour. Seems to me they were elected to represent their constituents in order to keep the country safe and operating at an even keel – not messing with everything at all hours. Not busy, busy, busy changing and tweaking and fiddling and rearranging every law on the books over, and over, and over until the average voter is overwhelmed with their ‘help’!! Stop this insanity already or we (voters) will stop it for you. It upsets me that I have to abandon my regular life to deal with a group of out-of-control, power-hungry politicians, but believe me, I WILL DO JUST THAT from today right up to next election day. I can’t take this anymore.

IraqWarVet | Sep 8, 2009 6:56:40 PM
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A recent poll had almost 80% of Americans wanting a public option.
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Sure it did. That would be the 700,000 Americans still brain dead enough to watch ABC, CBS, NBC, and read the NYTimes.
Now, How about the rest of the 230,000,000 Americans who still love the Republic? Just kidding. We all know THEY don’t count.

I predict they will pass it. Then the American public will whine about it. But when it comes to 2010, the majority will have forgotten about it. The American public seems to lack a mind for history. They forget what happened so quickly and are easily duped. Revolution? I don’t think America today has the guts to stop the obamatron. We gave up a long time ago. Why do you think people like Pelosi and Reid are still in office? Or why after being the cause of a woman’s death kennedy could be relected so many times? No one cares. They cry about this and that, but they never really do anything constructive about it.

Is it any wonder Obama wants to hurry up and pass Obama/illegal alien care now? because he know’s come next election cycle, the dem’s will no longer be in charge. And by the way, how are illegal aliens going to be fined the 3,500 that americans are going to be fined if they dont file taxes and have the IRS come after them?

Three words: WHY THE RUSH? This thing won’t get enacted until 2013. Maybe it’s because the only thing that this congress could be viewed as doing something positive about before the midterm elections to save their jobs. It’s time to clean House.

Hope the R’s can filibuster?

Stupid thing is so many believe that the government “option” will magically make healthcare all better. Not going to happen. Not ever. You can’t add millions to healthcare and not have increased wait times and cost

If ANY kind of so-called health reform passes, it’s the end of the Republic. The coups de grace will be crap and tax. It will be buried in a government paid coffin in a grave dug by newly-minted card check union diggers that came to the US via illegal crossings of a sovereign border.

Forget about health care reform.
When are you people going to tell those
clowns in DC “It’s the economy,stupid”
Fix the economy and other things will
take care of themselves. Stop being
such a bunch of sycophants.

I wonder if they’ll let anyone read the bill before voting on it.

PAY ATTENTION: The right wingers don’t care if the majority of Americans support a public option and universal coverage.
The right wingers have their sick and hateful message to pound out. Just watch on this post …

Obama is nothing but the mouthpiece and face for the plans of the Emanuel brothers, David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, etc. And if you look into their pasts, it’s no wonder they all endorsed Van Jones. How’s the Hope & Change working for all of you out of work that voted for this mess! No relief in sight, more foreclosures by the hour!

“In fact, if they pass this Dems are guaranteed a 2010 win.”
NOT! Must be the Kool-Aid clouding your thinking. From Rasmussen:
“The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.
Support for both parties rose one point over the past week, giving Republicans their highest level of support of the past several years. Support for Democrats last week reached its lowest point during that same time period.”

Pass that bill! Before the American people find out more of the facts and what a c sandwich it really is.
Barry, Barry, Barry. Most transparent administration EVAH!!!!

Obama is “The Beast” mentioned in revelations…we are in the end times…this health care reform is part of it all…DON’T TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!! FLEE!!!!

So much hate, so much ignorance, so many flat out lies, so much name calling in lieu of analysis, so much greed-and now so many unveiled threats of violence. Now we know what Republicans really meant by “family values”.

julieterra, Once again, here you are. Now I am sure you are with either the White House or Acorn. You keep saying the same statements over and over from one site to the next. I know you are getting your orders from the Dems. You are NOT the majority on healthcare. The Majority may want reform, but they do not want GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED REFORM. There is a huge difference! The Dems conveniently omit this part when they say the majority is for health care reform. What everyday Americans DON’T want is our country to go bankrupt because of an inept, or worse yet, evil president.

I am astounded that the democrats are so deaf and dismissive of honest Americans who do not want this bill. I still think with all the bluster, this will fall short. I pray that reason will prevail, that we will fix what need fixing (get the ambulance chasers out of medicine – tort reform now!) and get better competition by actually allowing the Health Insurance companies to compete across state lines. Leave the rest alone.

Yeah, Good idea Reid and Pelosi hurry up and pass this moronic obamacare bill and seal your fate in the 2010 elections.

PAY ATTENTION: More hateful comments from the extremist right.
The right wingers don’t care if the majority of Americans support a public option and universal coverage.
The right wingers have their sick and hateful message to pound out. Just watch on this post …

So they have the votes on a bill that doesn’t even exist yet? That tells us all we need to know about this bunch of misfits.
What a disgrace. Wake up, America
Previously Posted by: bmb | Sep 8, 2009 6:53:45 PM

If not for FOX News…well, need more be said?…

I don’t want the government taking control of the health care sector. I hope that some states will revolt and secede from a federation that takes away basic freedoms from individuals. I know that I will move to those states.

How is fining us for not choosing health insurance giving us more options?
What else is going to be a right.
Free food,water,housing,electricity?
How about internet access, will we be ffined for not having CNN or MSNBC?

For those of you who are headstrong to get this dog voted and enacted, I deferr to the recent defunct cash4clunkers debacle… they still haven’t paid participating dealers for the clunkers.

I can’t take this anymore, either we resist or move to New Zealand
Posted by: gman | Sep 8, 2009 7:11:53 PM
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Did you know the cost of living is somewhat less than here and the taxes are lower.

As the National Media (soon to be history) would say: “Van Jones who?”
The Dems will regret passing any bill that is close to what has been proposed. When 2010 rolls around, they will find themselves on the unemployment line. Wouldn’t be surprised if they threw in a new earmark to increase unemployment payments for that eventual circumstance.

The democrats are going to plunge this country into oblivion.
In 10 years those of us that are still around will not recognize this country.

Julieterra: “The right wingers don’t care if the majority of Americans support a public option and universal coverage.”
Where in the world do you get the idea that a majority of Americans support a public option? That is a ridiculous statement.

We need to throw all the communists out that won’t listen to the taxpayers/voters/citizens. That would include obama, gibbs, rahmbo the vulgar, axlehead, reid, pelosi, frank, dodd, kennedy, kerry, schummmmmmmmmmmer. waxman, leafy all the gd communists that want to destroy this Great Nation..

Unless we see the Heaven’s open and hear the angels sing following Obama’s speech tomorrow night, he will become a failed President…

Be advised, we have someone here who actually gets paid to decide if your thoughts deserve to be seen. I know this because he or she has deleted my comment three times, based on his or her decision that his or her crap doesn’t stink so he or she is entitled to determine if anyone ought to be allowed to read them or not. I just love messing with this kind of person, because I know he or she is reading this right now and getting ready to remove it from your sight. I picture him or her as something like Bartleby, the Scrivener in the Herman Melville story, who after working years in the Dead Letter Office, could only say “I prefer not to” because of the tedium if his wretched life.

RightWingNuts as soooooo stupid! Go ahead and vote against healthcare reform. You will be in the minority for another 4 decades again. Conservative fools were against Medicare, Social Security and Civil Rights for all. They were for tax cuts for the rich and corporate welfare like the TARP bailout that Paulson distributed in the back room without any accountability. How’s that working out fools? I was an independent. After watching the Republican circus over the last 7 or 8 months, I will never vote for a Republican again.

Now I know how it feels to live in Venezula where you have no say.
Add obamacare to the other failed government polices such as the post office, amtrack, medicare, va hospital, social security!

Well Julieterra, I hate no one. I would like to see everyone have the ability to get 1st class, top quality American healthcare. What I don’t want to see is a system that places finances over the medical services to be rendered. We need a program that has been well thought out, is structured to serve all those who enter it and will not place one age group over another in regards to the access they have. To rush this bill through now is political suicide for all those who come in contact with it. The saying goes “haste makes waste”. The U.S. government has wasted untold trillions of dollars due to waste. It’s time to slow down, analyze the situation and come to the people with a win-win, non partisan program that will serve the people. Not the political machines who are always more concerned with one upsmanship.

julieterra: call us right-wingers, whatever. We are more conservative than this administration, that is true. Do you know what the deficit is at? And before you go blaming “W,” why don’t you review the Porkulus package that Obama rammed through. We are fully aware of what is happening now. Van Jones, Reverand Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky… these are all relevant to this administration, and so it isn’t just about “healthcare.” It is about bringing “revolution.” Break the system… health service is SECONDARY.

Obama is a failed president. Pathetic.

80% are in favor of public option?
what poll are you looking at?
Provda?

I am a right-winger, as some of the radical libs like to call us, actually we prefer the label, conservative.
So with that said, we have always wanted any reform when it is smart, fiscally neutral and doesn’t increase the size of the Federal gov’t.
It doesn’t matter to us if your an R or a D.
As for health care reform, I ascribe to the Newt proposal, a series of smaller bills, designed to actually solve the problemS.
But I know for a fact that Mr. Obama rejects that, he wants to institute a paradigm shift in the way the US way of life is.
Mr Obama wants to rewrite the US constitution that he has declared flawed.
I believe if he released his writings from college they would reflect this view, don’t believe me, RELEASE THE WRITINGS AND LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DECIDE!!!!!!

Seattleguy you very mistaken about civil rights and I would bet you have never voted republican anyway. Johnson had to go to the GOP to get enough votes to pass the CRA as the southern democrats were very much against it. As far as being in the minority for 4 decades, that was congress, but the executive at the state and federal levels were predominantly republican.

Poor Julieterra. Imagine how distraught she’ll be when she sees the recent Gallup poll reporting that right-wingers are now a plurality in each and every one of the 50.states.
And she’ll be even more upset when she learns that Gallup today reports that more Americans opposed to Obamacare than in favor of it, and that opposition is particularly strong among those age 55 and over.

I smell a revolution

I wish some smart person would start an online petition that would prevent the congress from enacting any legislative health care bills or mandates that would exempt or exclude the congress,the judicial branch,civil servants; and their friends and families.

Reid & Pelosi: “we have the votes, we just don’t know what the bill would look like yet”!
What a joke.

From the comments, here, from the democrats, it is obvious that the democrats are the least educated of all American citizens. Especially anyone that still trusts the government. There must really be something wrong with you, if you believe that Obama has a BETTER idea for ANYTHING! This guy is a blatant joke, and he is surrounded by the biggest bunch of morons, and criminals, that I’ve ever seen, in a presidentianl administration.

Obama has jumped the shark and we are in the 11th min of his 15. What a walking joke he is already. He has half the country mad at him for reaching into thier wallets and the other half is mad because he did not reach deep enough into those wallets.
He has already spent whatever credibilty he may have had and wasted valuable time doing so. He has let down his own party by wasting this time because after 2010 elections he will be a lame duck driving a ghost ship to nowhere. if you think its hard to get a socialist agenda passed now, wait till 2010. The democrats had thier chance for hope and change, now lets let the adults show you how to maintain the status quo.

I love it when the lib scum pull the racism card. They know they’ve lost already. It’s not racism stupid, we don’t like his policies. Screaming racism is so so 60′s.

Of course it’s urgent. He’s afraid people will wake up and realize what a bad, bad bill this is and how it’s going to give us less care at higher cost. Except for Congress, of course. Members will keep their gold-plated plans.

Reid, Pelosi, Schummer, etc. are all mentally ill. They, like BO, are out to destroy America. We have little, if any, time to stop them. What a disgrace they are.

“Reid, Pelosi, Schummer, etc. are all mentally ill. They, like BO, are out to destroy America. We have little, if any, time to stop them. What a disgrace they are.”
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More smear, fear and hate.

It’s fairly obvious that the majority of Americans – at least the ones who care enough one way or another to make a decision – do not want the government to run our healthcare system. Some might have been in favor of it before, but thanks to the people who meticulously read all 1000+ pages of the first draft, the nasty little bits have all been published and confidence levels aren’t very high at the moment.
As others have pointed out, a fair number of Democrats are actually voting against the plan, it won’t take many more to guarantee it never gets through in any form. Personally, I would like to see some aspects of American healthcare improved, but definitely NOT by massively expanding government control over who lives and who dies. Also not by increasing government spending and collapsing the US economy, which will destroy everyone’s healthcare.
Obama’s trying to push this through in a hurry because all the polls show a gradual drop in his popularity and a loss of support for healthcare “reform”. Give it another few weeks and he’s guaranteed to fail.

I refuse to support any healthcare bill that does not include tort reform. It’s intellectually dishonest for Pelosi, the wicked witch of the west, to issue scathing remarks about the ‘evil special interests’ of doctors and insurance companies while at the same time protecting those special interests that give her party money.

“Reid, Pelosi, Schummer, etc. are all mentally ill. They, like BO, are out to destroy America. We have little, if any, time to stop them. What a disgrace they are.”
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More smear, fear and hate.
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Spoken like a true liberal. You like them so much, you can pay the taxes they will levy when it’s time to pay up.

By Pelosi and Reid telling the President that they have the votes is telling the majority of Americans who don’t want this bill,”Bugger off you mobsters, we’re going to cram this bill down your throats no matter what the constituents tell us.”

“President wants bill passed soon!”
Well, whoop di doo. Obama should not
have his wish unfulfilled for even
a few days. He has never been told “No”
before by anyone important. That’s
why he’s so arrogant. Obama’s self-
esteem is of no interest to me.
A DECENT healthcare bill is. He tried
his best to strongarm through a bill
in August that is an affront to freedom
loving Americans everywhere.

No need to rush – here’s the solution: the FDA conducts multi-year trials on new drugs and medical procedures. Let’s have the FDA conduct a trial on ObamaCare using the Congress as the test subjects (i.e. guinea pigs).
If, after the trial is done, the Congress likes ObamaCare, then ask the citizenry if they want it. If Congress doesn’t like it, let ObamaCare die a natural death.
Can you guess how Congress will like ObamaCare?

of course they have the votes… what do you expect from a communist regime!

Stephen, I truly believe you’re just witnessing the 41% who pay income taxes absolutely sick and tired of footing the bill for the lazy lumps who can’t even find their polling place. We have a million idiots who qualify for free healthcare now, but are too stupid or lazy to go fill out the paperwork. It’s easier to go to the ER on everyone else’s dollar. And in the recent past we were all being politically correct….those days are done. If you’re here illegally, and you’ve been here for 20 years, you’re either too stupid or lazy to apply for citizenship, so you need to go. If you couldn’t get it done in so many years, it must not mean too much to you, so you shouldn’t mind being deported. And I’m not in favor of splitting families, so, send the families back as a unit!! And if you qualify for free care, but are too lazy to apply for it, and you end up at the ER for an ear ache, you should be sent a bill every month. I don’t care if it takes you a lifetime to pay it off. That’s the only way to get the lazy butts in gear. So you see Stephen, there’s no racism here, I never identified any particular race, I’m an equal opportunity person who is sick of the laziness of those lifers on the government dole!

Hurry Mr President…..let’s pass it while we have the votes. Let’s pass a bill that is not written, before it is read…..remember how hard it was when the stupid American people got mad when we passed Cap’n Trade without reading it….or the stimulus bill.
Oh Mr. President, we are so smart and the American people so dumb….if they only understood how dumb they are and how smart we are life – their life – would be so much better.
That is how I imagine a meeting goes between Pie’hole’si, Reid, and Barry – the three stooges who have never had a job, met a payroll, balanced a budget, or created a bottom line that wasn’t from raising taxes.
The only thing more of a joke – the idiots who want to hide behind government sanctioned theft to get what is not theirs. Hey you gutless cowards hiding behind the teat of the government – you have the numbers – why don’t you man up and take those entitlements by force. Take what you want…no need to work or earn….show yourself for what you are and come right out and take your entitlements by force not farce.

THE MAJORITY FAVORS A PUBLIC OPTION
Forget about the fear mongers plaguing this site.
The majority of polls DO show the majority of Americans want a public option and universal coverage.
People are tired of the current politics and the bickering, they don’t really know what’s in this bill and they don’t trust politicians – who would after the last 8 years – but the majority have across time supported a public, and universal coverage.
The right wingers don’t care what the majority of Americans want.
The right wingers have their sick and hateful message to pound out. Just watch on this post …

KICK THE COMMUNIST BAST*RDS OUT OF OFFICE NOW! I DEMAND THE RESIGNATION AND THE IMPEACHMENT OF OBAMA.

If they ram through this bill which will forever change America for the worse–into something we never were or were meant to be–then there should be a second revolution.

Pass Conservative Reform. The only reform that would work is turn back the Clinton error foolishness (HIPAA and HCFA), that costs insurance companies hundreds of millions every year in IT expenses. Who do you think they pass the cost on to? Cap malpractice at 200,000 dollars (about 4 years salary)- if a doctor screws up, fine him: if he screw up bad, prosecute him. Who do you think pays for the $500,000 yearly premiums and the premiums for hospitals, the insurance companies or the patients? These are immediate savings. DO NOT ALLOW AN ILLEGAL ALIEN ANY HEALTH CARE UNLESS THEY PAY CASH OR HAVE INSURANCE COVERAGE FROM THEIR EMPLOYER. THEN SEE HOW LONG THEY STAY IN OUR COUNTRY. Create insurance pools for the poor and uninsurable (like with auto). Return to the world where insurance is insurance and run by business principles within humanitarian grounds – something that was successful up to the 1980′s. Finally,keep government out of it any more than they are. Medicare – a disaster and bankrupting us, The VA and VA hospitals – for as long as I remember (My dad was disabled American Vet from WW2 – and the VA was a joke all the way back to the 50′s and the VA hospitals were bigger jokes – Reservation Hospitals for Native Americans – nothing short of Genocide – horribly mismanaged. The government has never managed anything successfully and Obama is probably the most inept at management. These are facts,but liberals won’t answer these facts, just whine about nutty right wingers. BTW, JulieTerra – hows that job with Soro and Acorn working out for ya?

julieterra, under a public system, the only way to control costs is to restrict access. There’s nothing hateful about acknowledging this, and being troubled by it. Who decides who gets what, and when?
I think you are no less partisan and prejudiced than any right-wing kook.

“80% are in favor of public option?
what poll are you looking at?
Provda?”
Probably the “Daily Kos”:
Do you favor or oppose creating a government-administered health insurance option that anyone can purchase to compete with private insurance plans?
Favor Oppose
All 52 40
Dem 80 13
Rep 21 71
Ind 50 39

I see that the Democrats are finally jumping the shark… and going to commit political suicide. The coming mid term elections will show a landslide of incumbents being voted out of office and the Republican taking over the house and then possibly the senate too. THEN where will BO be for the next 2 years? By the way I don’t think the Republicans will do any better in office.

Silly liberals, how can you pass a bill when you don’t know what’s in it? Back off the Botox and the Metamucil a bit why don’t you.

Pelosi and Reid:
We have the votes. Haven’t got a freakin’ clue what we’re voting for, but we got the votes. Reality check America; how stupid does that really sound. Of course, one must consider the source. So go ahead and vote Harry and Nancy. When we vote, it will be methodical and well informed. And guess what you’ll be on the outside looking in. Enjoy your retirements.

I wonder how many times ABCwill repost this message?

Anyone who actually believes that the government can control the cost of anything and provide a decent service has been taking huge hits from the Hope and Change bong. Anyone who would want to put more power and control into the hands of the federal government is a drone.

“Who decides who gets what, and when?”
Right now the health insurance companies are doing the deciding. Do you think we’re going to listen to you and continue to trust them when it’s been clearly demonstrated that their primary motivation is profit, not anybody’s health? You can forget it!

WOW, sorry I didn’t edit my comment but you can figure it out. I ment the fines will be over $3,000 a year for not having insurance, enough to buy a new car, pay for tuition, even if you are young and healthy and never set a foot in the Dr. Office you will pay for others to have medical attention, if they are not working you will pay for it. Right now No one goes without medical attention, the Dr. and hospitals are paid through Medicaid. I Know!!! this to be a fact. When you go get your income tax done, this is when you will pay for your fine. I can hardly wait to see how you feel then.

HAH.. Watching the dems self destruct is the gift that keeps on giving. They have become the laughing stock of the 21st century.
I knew they were incompetent but they have reach new lows in stupidity. By nov 2010 there won’t be a human being alive with an IQ above 50 who will call themselves a liberal.

The Senate summary of the bill says tobacco users will pay a 20% higher premium than non-tobacco users.
Ironically, crack smokers will not be subject to the 20% premium.
These are the kinds of problems that crop up when government controls everything.

The right wing ravers are out in full force with their paranoid visions and hateful postings.
Watch them parade themselves.

Melvin,
don’t try laying down the Christian thing, many, many conservative Christians do tremendous amounts for the poor…but it doesn’t need to be government policy, period. Get a grip and look outside of government for a change of scenery and quit crying wolf. That line of thinking is not very broad, if you know what I mean. And as far as them dying, quit with that crap too..since the 60′s you CAN’T be turned away from a hospital so drop that line of bull, please…we don’t buy it.
If these power crazy people pass this stinking bill with a public option it is going to get really ugly. This whole thing isn’t about healthcare, it is about power and if you can’t see that then you have serious problems with logic. What is the motivation here, really…why the sudden emergency with healthcare? It is about votes, it is about power and access to power…if you can not be refused service at a hospital, there is a crisis, but noone is dying…let’s get it right and do something that reflects what the constitution said government can do…not what the libs of the day have cooked up. We see through the smoke and mirrors, so just call it what it is…

“CJ, you do realize that wonderful people from moveon.org and other bastians of fascist thought, come on here and post, posing as religious right, republicans, haters, whatever… it’s part of their teaching guide and instruction of disruption. Try to keep your hate bottled up inside where the stupidity of it, is hidden away from the public.”
Why in the world would anyone have to come on here and “pose” as anything when it’s all out in the open at town halls to see? everyone knows the hatred and my post didn’t indicate anything but tell the obvious. The Republicans are all about “family values”, but ONLY for their family. The Republicans like to preach about God, but only when it benefits THEM. What they forget is that Jesus took care of the sick, the elderly, and people who couldn’t help themselves, he would be ashamed of every single one of you greedy people if he were here today.

The last hayride..

Obama’s a uniter!

What I would like to know is where are the courageous Dem blue dogs that stood up. What is making them change their minds. And look at Snowe what a waste of a seat for the Republicans. I always said they would shove this down the throats of Americans. Well 2010 can’t come soon enough for many of us. What worries me is that this along with all the rest of the antics that the dems are doing will destroy this country and there will be nothing for our children.

So can anyone tell me how the moron in the White House is going to be stopped? Huh? He can’t be stopped because his henchmen Pelosi and Reid are on the take as much as Barry O is. So any arguments to stop him are just a simple exercise in futility.
Attention should be paid on how to reverse all of the destruction Barry and his band of idiots are causing.

Vote these clowns out that vote for this Government run program. This will lead the USA down the toilet.

Don’t ask Jake Tapper any tough questions on Twitter… he will BLOCK you. He only wants to hear what he wants to hear… that’s pretty much it. Did you hear anything about Van Jones from ABC or from Jake Tapper (who is RIGHT THERE in the White House!)? Nope… Courageous Jake he’s not. Just deals with softballs.

What utter disregard & recklessness to cram through a very flawed Healthcare bill! What’s the rush? I’ll tell you, it’s full of their liberal agenda that will control our lives, our finances, allow access to our private financial records through the IRS & have some nameless, faceless, goverment bureacracy control our medical care. It’s crystal clear that this bill is NOT to hlep the American public, but to control them. Why else would they rush through a bill & be as opaque about it as they can in letting you know what REALLY is in the bill & how it will affect each one of us? BTW, Melvin, what’s with playing the religion card when it comes to rational people commenting as to why this healthcare bill stinks? What is it with you libs that you have to attack, blame, label & mudsling to blur & sidestep the truth? I guess all of us fringe mob fanatics that speak up, attend town hall meetings & object to this rotten healthcare bill are all right-wing nut jobs & religious fanatics, right? NOT! It’s funny how Obama & Pelosi told everyone to argue, debate, get in their faces & not shut up during the campaign but now we are the crazy people for doing the same thing who are minimized & ridiculed. What a bunch of hypocrites! Let’s vote the whole lot of them out of office! Maybe THAT will get their attention!

Liberal idiots. November 2010 can’t come soon enough.

We heard this joke before remember? Pelosi and Reid both stated they had the votes and then…. DOH! We dont have them its the republicans even though they have a majority in both the house and the senate.

“The right wing nuts who posted many of the messages here are the craziest, most paranoid people on the planet, bar none.”
I smell Drudge again…

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. I also pledge to protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic. It might be time to envoke the constitutional provision to reform the government and take back our country. God speed baby lets roll

2010: Body Slam to the Liberal Political Elites!

They “have the votes,” so hurry… but they still haven’t decided what’s going to be in the bill (or they haven’t read the latest version).
These people are beyond loathsome.

Dear Comrades,
Please do not wear yourselves out talking about “revolution” and “voting the bums” out and other such useless rhetoric. We your leaders, know far more about what is good for you than do you yourselves.
We are not afraid of such threats, since we now have bountifully funded (with your tax dollars) such organizations as ACORN to make sure that we will always have the votes to get reelected.
And please, do not wear out our servers and phone systems prematurely by inundating us with your ridiculous comments. We already know what we are going to do, we just need the state-run media to propagandize you more sufficiently.
Be advised, WE DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK. So, instead of getting yourselves all worked up, just realize that we WILL pass this bill whether YOU THE PEOPLE like it or not.
Signed,
Your elected officials

The ACLU is salivating just to get the chance to prove this liberal bill unconstitutional…..satire, I trust you smell said Yoda.

How many Americans die every day by illegal aliens? How many abortions take place daily in America? How many people die in America for lack of medical care daily, VERY FEW! I’d like to see the stats on that and see the cases of where and how that happens.
No matter what they do, their plan won’t go into effect for at least 3 years so next year we can show them how much we appreciate their idea of socialism/communism.

Obama is an idiot. Is there any question about this?

Lost in this “debate” about the government getting involved in everyones healthcare is the fact that according to the AARP over 90% of medicare recipients also carry a medicare supplement policy from a private insurer. Medicare doesn’t come close to covering their costs and it will only get worse for them and the rest of the US citizens.

hey Cow,
I don’t know any poor people, but I know a lot a rich people who don’t have health insurance: young, rich, and smart- if your job doesn’t require it (like consultant’s/ ICs), you’d be surprised how many people think it will never happen to them.
People choosing not to have health insurance isn’t going to be fixed by education (trust me, my peer group is plenty educated). It requires a mandate. Some people just don’t get it and I’m not interested in paying for their “choice.”

“Christianity has no place in a discussion about politics”
How convenient! Right-wingers don’t want their religious hypocrisy exposed.

The Dems have the votes, just not the nerve to go ahead and pass this economic- shattering, bloated legislation because they know it is bad for the country. They want to have the GOP to blame when it sends us into an economic disaster from which we will never recover. WE CAN’T AFFORD THIS PEOPLE. End of subject. Just fix the existing system with as little government intervention as possible.

These out of touch “leaders” should be in more of a hurry looking for new jobs for themselves.

Comment by Nancy, Harry and BO is correct. The best spent money would be to force-educate the stupid people who buy every lavish thing they can above their means except health insurance!

How the heck can they “have the votes” if they don’t even have a finished bill yet?!?! Just shows the idiocy of the Democrats, they expect everyone to sign on just because it’s Obama.

Pass it, we dare you!!!! this will bring 40 years of conservative control of the country.

Don’t ask any of Obamazombies posting here how their geniuses in government plan to pay for their plans that they’re forcing onto you.
That gives away the game, and it makes them angry.

“WHY ARE THEY CRAMMING THIS PLAN DOWN OUR THROATS?”
Because they know the Republican corporate hand puppets will never stand up to the health insurance companies. In fact they are representatives of the health insurance companies.

“How convenient! Right-wingers don’t want their religious hypocrisy exposed.”
Exactly!

I hope you Dems enjoyed having your team in power for a few minutes… it’s about to end. ;)

Trading in gold and lead is no way to live. It is our responsibility to remove people that oppose our constitution.

Who ever believes in Obama is a fool. nothing else just a straight up piece of crap fool.

The Democrats and their socialist wingnut supporters actually think that its only right wing extremists who oppose this mess.That will be our little secret until the surprise party takes place in November.

BULL: “People choosing not to have health insurance isn’t going to be fixed by education (trust me, my peer group is plenty educated). It requires a mandate. Some people just don’t get it and I’m not interested in paying for their “choice.”"
You already are, in your taxes and insurance premiums! The only difference is that with ObamaCare, you’d be paying more for “your” insurance and getting less health care!

The wingnuts on the right attack Obama personally and the wingnuts on the left just lie about facts….Get rid of the extreme wings of both parties and let the intelligent people run things.
To the leftie wingnuts complaining about health insurance companies and the GOP…The Dems get far more money from health sector companies than the Reps.
Do your homework and don’t just spout robotic and false talking points from the moveon and media matters idiots.

I cannot wait to vote out any politician who actually votes for this ridiculously expensive experiment in socialism!
Obama is a disaster…who happens to speak well.
His ultra-leftist policies can no longer be disguised behind a well-spoken speech.
My large family will do whatever we can to get the word out to NOT vote for any candidate who embraces this piece of garbage-legislation.
Obama is truly out of touch with real America. If he can’t tell that his crazy racist pastor, crazy terrorist friend and crazy radical green advisor are WACKOS, then there is SOMETHING WRONG WITH OBAMA!
Worse: Obama is kneeling down to the ultra-liberals on the far-left. San Francisco’s Nancy Pelosi, Las Vegas’s Harry Reid, and Massachusett’s Barney Frank are treating him like…dare I say it…a pawn?

Get a load of the Obamacrats blaming “Republicans” for every failure of their new, blundering President and for “blocking” health care.
The Republicans have no control of Congress. The Democrats have supermjajorities – they can pass anything they want to. The GOP can’t block or derail a thing. It’s the Democrats who are pushing this whole FAILboat through. Because we have to NOW NOW NOW or we’re all going to die, or something. Just like they shoved the non-”stimulus” through in several days because, well, unemployment had to stay below 8%, and their bill was going to do it, by golly.
And then they wonder why America is souring on them.
It’s pathetic and would be hilarious if the economic consequences of their polices weren’t so catastrophic.
America’s going to learn what these people really mean by “change” the hard way.

“Did you want to know ‘Who is John Galt?’ I am the first man of ability who refused to regard it as guilt. I am the first man who would not do pennance for my virtues or let them be used as the tools of my destruction. I am the first man who would not suffer martyrdom at the hands of those who wished me to perish for the privilege of keeping them alive. I am the first man who told them that I did not need them, and until they learned to deal with me as traders, giving value for value, they would have to exist without me, as I would exist without them; then I would let them learn whose is the need and whose is the ability–and if human survival is the standard, whose terms would set the way to survive.”
- John Galt

Obama says hurry up and cram this through before they find all of the other commies and racists in my admin. I’ll never get anything done then.

Hurry we have the votes – BUT NOT THE MONEY!
Morons!
This must be the WORST plan in the world because Congress won’t even consider being covered under it.
ABSOLUTE UTTER BS!

Impeachment and Jail for our politican that sign onto this scam.

Never voting Democrat again…Not a chance they’ll read this bill either like the others. If the Republicans show some backbone I may vote for them for the first time next time around. Just to help get the Dems out of power.

Everyone keeps saying we’ll get our pound of flesh in the 2010 elections. Well folks it’s gonna be too late by then. They pass this bill and we are stuck with the legacy of the worst group of legislators in US history. Call the congressional switchboard tie that sucker up for days. There is a huge Tea Party planned for Washington this weekend and others in your locale show up and let your voice be heard. If this thing passes there will be more Ragnar’s than Galts and that is a scary proposition.

If the dim morons had the votes the bill would have already been passed. These dims are just diggging a deeper hole and they may not crawl out of it in the lifetimes of anybody presently in congress.
Now all we need to do is get rid of the liberal rats who hide behind the name republican.

I love how Republicans and RightWing Idiots are experts on the Constitution now that a Democrat is in Office…..your all lying scumbags and Pathetic Hypocrites!!!!
Where were all the Crazy Tea Parties when Bush and Cheney were SHREDDING the constituion????? Thats how u KNOW this “outrage” is Laughable, Racist and Partisian. OBAMA won the ELECTION!!!!
GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- John Galt
Posted by: StarvetheBest | Sep 8, 2009 8:26:40 PM
***
Buh-bye. Don’t let the door slam you in the behind on your way out of the workforce toward a mythical laissez-faire free market utopia with screwball relationships.

I hope they try to jam it down Americans throat…it will become my life mission to unseat these tyrants

resist the socialist…they want to control you children s mind

Message to Hussein Obama and stupid arrogant democrats: WE CAN’T AFFORD IT! What part of “THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T WANT THIS SOCIALIST GARBAGE” do you not understand!?

Never again will we trust the Republicans with the security of this country, not when we were lied into a war and lost over 4,000 American lives and thousands of Iraqis perished.”
Big difference between Conservatives and Republicans.
Posted by: ArmyKajun | Sep 8, 2009 8:26:51 PM
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Typical shortsighted Lib with a bad memory!
1968 4,000 combat casualties. That was 2 months in Viet Nam that Kennedy promoted to distract from his bumbling at the Bay of Pigs!

Read Liberty & Tyranny by Mark Levin. You will understand all that is going on with this Marxist Socialist that is your president not mine!

2010 2012 will be very bad years for DemoSocialists.

And to the person who critisized a poster for being a Christian and also being so bold to tell the truth about Obama.Jesus would be just fine with telling the truth about EVIL. He Himself often called the Leaders of Israel very unflattering names. Obama is EVIL(and he knows he is evil and knows he hates America and knows exactly what he is doing to serve his masters here on Earth and his real master,Satan),keep telling it like it is !

I say go for it Dems, #### the Repubs. Pass whatever bill you think is the 100% right thing for America. You have the votes. Don’t compromise. Pass your wildest fantasy healthcare plan through. Take over the entire system. This is your chance punks…are you going to go for it? I dare you.

Leave Obama alone. I am a union trucker and so is my wife. We have been on unemployment all this year. Why work when we get 800 a week, plus Uncle Harry made sure we didn’t have to work this year. We were just told we can take another 52 paid weeks. What a great vacation and now we may get health insurance for free! Is this a great country or what?

“Hurry we have the votes – BUT NOT THE MONEY!
Morons!
This must be the WORST plan in the world because Congress won’t even consider being covered under it.
ABSOLUTE UTTER BS!”
Now that’s funny. Why would congress dump the plan they have, which IS a government paid plan, and take out another government paid plan?

OBAMA / REID / PELOSI ….100% Socailist / Communists … they must go!!!

Can somebody tell me how to get to America? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

“It is true, though, that if you wanted to make a big impact on people’s health in this country, reducing things like soda consumption would be helpful.” Obama
Is this next…they are going to tell us what we can and can’t eat? Get Real!
I bet Coke and Pepsi won’t like that comment!

Well, here we go!!! These socialists are bound and determined to jam the working class into a sub-class that they feel we fit into. All I can say is, you the unwashed,uninformed,unread,unintelligent,nose-pickers who voted for these idiots are getting what you wanted….the promise of FREE STUFF!, and the delivery of higher taxes to those of us who actually hold more than a seasonal job. Have a nice life.

I can’t believe that I voted for this moron named Barack Obama!
~ He is pro-abortion on demand.
~ He is forcing gay marriage on every state.
~ He is trying to destroy our health care system and replace it with a hurried, expensive mess.
~ He is trying to indoctrinate our children (well, he changed his speech after public backlash).
~ He has crazy, left-wing nuts for advisors.
~ He apologizes to the world for America’s greatness.
~ He is anti-Israel in his policies and in his speeches to Muslims.
~ He is against performance testing for public schools.
~ He wants to let violent criminals out of prison to save money.
~ He is going to raise taxes at the worst possible time and raise inflation to unbelievable proportions.
~ He wants the US to bow to the whims of the UN and European nations that hate us.
I don’t know why I voted for this guy. I guess I got caught up in the moment. However, this guy truly is an educated moron! He knows nothing of real America. Do you think that it might be because he has never had a REAL job? Sure, he was a “community organizer” for ACORN (go figure). Yet he has done NOTHING else except sit on liberal boards.
President Obama needs to resign, leave Washington and go get a real job. Maybe after he is educated by the REAL WORLD, he might come back and make a half-way decent president. Right now…he just plain sucks.
Regardless, I will NOT vote for this guy…ever again. I am sorry that I voted for him last year.

Sad and sadder that so many are still thinking that Obama and the Dems are thinking about America with this crappola. Why is it necessary to pass it so fast> A HUGE bill no one person had a chance to read, according to many Dems. Overall, it sure looks & smells like snake oil to me.

November 2010 will be a massacre. All of you little communist dictators will be reamed out of congress for subverting the majority will of the people and destroying our country because of your pay-backs to lawyers, pharmaceutical companies, unions, George Soros and leftist special interest groups.
“Go ahead. Make my day.”

While all of America is cutting back their spending the Democratic leadership is trying to ram though another massive spending bill. Wrong time, Wrong bill. You do not control the media any longer. Listen to your constituents – just say no!

Go ahead already and destroy the once great, free republic called the United States of America so we can join Rome and Greece in the history books. – A second revolution is coming, much like the first! Which side are you going to be on?
All of the Socialist in Washington DC need to go (both on the left and the right, legislative, executive, and judicial)! The Constitution needs to be resorted to the letter of every word!
Repeal the 17th Amendment.

Support every member of the house that votes against this bill.

What is the rush? It won’t go into effect until 2013, something’s fishy about this…

Jake T:
Any word as to why the President indicated that this is urgent? What’s your guess?
As mentioned previously, Obama took longer to pick out a dog than the time to ram this bill through.

Name just ONE government program they design that ONE -doesn’t cost three times the original estimated amount and TWO -isn’t designed to grow the goveernment with a staff of incompetant nitwits that, just from their presence, doom the program to failure at again the cost to the taxpayer. This is just one more sham from the ‘Disaster Incorporated’ slow motion train wreck staffed with total nitwits.

Please reframe from this negative energy on health and welfare. Ms Orly Taitz the lawyer is going to save the day. The CA judge has ruled in favor for american citizens. Come this October 2009 all hell is going to be let loose. Mr. Obama days are numbered, because, when the discoveries are made and profiled, marked, and numbered for trial, america will be returning to normal.

If the democrats back door this bill through, they’re doomed in the 2010 congressional elections.

Yet MORE REBUBLICAN LIES!!!!!
You people are so sad its laughable.
Obama’s been working on HealthCare for 9months
He got the Dog 4-5months in……
Please get your Facts…oops your LIES,correct!

America has been too apathetic…”As the Roman economy slumped lower and lower, burdened with an aggravated inflation and a costly government, authoritarianism increased to counter the apathy.” – Franics Schaeffer

Someone asked, “What would Jesus do?”
Here is a great verse from a multitude of bible translations:
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.
King James Bible
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
American King James Version
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
American Standard Version
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, If any will not work, neither let him eat.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For also when we were with you, this we declared to you: that, if any man will not work, neither let him eat.
Darby Bible Translation
For also when we were with you we enjoined you this, that if any man does not like to work, neither let him eat.
English Revised Version
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, If any will not work, neither let him eat.
Webster’s Bible Translation
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
World English Bible
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: “If anyone will not work, neither let him eat.”
Young’s Literal Translation
for even when we were with you, this we did command you, that if any one is not willing to work, neither let him eat,

Here’s an idea. All of you who want goverment health care, get a job with health care provided as a benefit, I hear Obammy is hiring, or perhaps even pay your own bills. Pay your own bills, what a novel idea. It’s a rough world out there, people get sick and die and you sure can’t change that.

This is NOT about Repubs vs. Dems. This is about the future of the Nation. Will America turn into a perpetual bankrupt “Nanny State?”

AVERAGE CONGRESSIONAL SALARY $170,000
AVERAGE AMERICAN SALARY $47,000
PAY CUT FOR WASHINGTON…PRICELESS
TELL YOUR REPS AND SENATORS IF THEY WANT TO PASS HEALTHCARE TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR SALARIES

If you don’t get sick you have nothing to worry about. America is almost dead- thanks Obama and the ‘non-racist’, ‘progress oriented’ liberals for handing absolute power over to the gov’t.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

You guys called health care reform socialist? how about public school,Social Security, Medicaid,Policedepartment, fire department, etc. Those are socialist . You mean if you house is in fire, you will not get the fire department to put the fire out because you did not have fire insurance or because you do not have the money to pay ?
It is true we pay for it in our taxes.
I question myself, why can we pay as well for health care in our taxes as well? Even with medicaid, you still need to have a private insurance, because health care got too expensive to count just with medicaid. Americans, stop the crying about people having or wanting a free ride, talking about Obama that he is “Socialist” and worry about your fellow american and yourself. The people in congress and all those politicians have the best insurance in the world, why can the rest of us have the same? After all, we are the ones that vote for all of them to be in the position they are today. It is time for them to vote for the America people and stop the insanity of the health care making doctors and farmacies rich at our expenses. Health care is a right for every American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“If the democrats back door this bill through, they’re doomed in the 2010 congressional elections.”
No, they’re not. But they’d face a much worse situation if they lose their base by not acting at all.
The House of Representatives has changed parties only twice in the last 50 years. Once in 1994 when all the southern Dixiecrats switched sides and joined the GOP, and once in 2006 when all the Yankee Republicans lost to liberal Democrats. These regional shifts are rare, highly historic and not likely to occur every time a righty wets his pants. That’s not to say the GOP won’t gain SOME seats in 2010, they probably will. But if you think those slobbering rubes and Palin clones are going to appeal in the northern U.S. you’ve got another thing coming.

If they can’t get the cash for clunker claims paid why should we believe that they can process medical claims any better? What is the big rush on this anyway? Lets get it right before it is set in stone. Do trial programs in various states then go national with the one that works the best. We saw what rushing got us with the bailouts

steve slaten, I believe you and your communism on steroids friends should pay for it, but I bet your one of those free loaders that can’t wait to get your free health care….well guess what idiot you are going to be one of the first ones to pay that 3800 fine from your FRIENDS in washington and when Republicans get back in office I think we should double that just for you. The End.

Hmmm…
Possible Health Care for the masses.. the meek… the underprivlidged and those who live month to month…
What would Jesus do..

Jake,
Is doing something stupid better than doing nothing at all?

“the key word was urgency.”
As in It is URGENT that you pass something before my poll numbers fall any lower.

So the country can’t possibly survive ONE more month of a system that’s been in place for decades? Anyone want to explain how the sense of urgency has anything to do with anything more than trying to avoid legitimate criticism of the bill’s flaws, whatever they end up being?
Remember that there were MANY flaws in the original set of bills, and the SAME people are writing and defending the new ones. Expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

someone had the temerity (or stupidity) to say a public option would be self-sustaining. yeah, like SS and medicare and medicaid and all the rest. self-sustaining? give us a break. the federal pocketbook is bottomless. private insurers’ are not. now, i wonder why a public option would be more popular. the most befuddling question that i’ve never heard a liberal with guts (well, yes, a little bit of an oxymoron there) is … why would they put this on their kids and grandkids? don’t they love them?

Isn’t it amazing how the Dems can’t simply argue for the President’s health care initiative on it’s own merits?
Instead they run around obfuscating and attacking insurance companies, religious conservatives, talk-radio, Town Hall meeting attendees, etc.
They sound like Prez Obama and his creepy little comment about how he thinks doctors saw people’s limbs off for fun and profit.
I guess we’re going to have a lot more lawyers and a lot fewer doctors in Obama’s perfect world. Gag me.

Gerry Abrams,What was going thru your mind when you voted for him? Were you cursing everything Conservative and saying Palin was stupid? Now you want a free throw? It’s your types who can’t think and act for themselves withour a nanny that got us here. Now go clean up your mess. I have no sympathy for you.

urgent, as in before ANYONE has a chance to read it!!!
It’s worked before, why not do it again.
I’m sure Waxman has a 700page amendment to drop an hour before voting begins too.
These clown are destroying the country while they self destruct their party.

ROYK, I’d rather be a 20% wacko than a 100% idiot that buys the Global Warming crap or the need to place healthcare in the hands of the Government, the one group that has proven time and time again, that they are not capable of running anything. Stop drinking and start reading the constitution.

The majority favors a public option”
“The majority of polls DO show the majority of Americans want a public option and universal coverage.”
“the majority have across time supported a public, and universal coverage.”
While I agree that there are things that can be done, the bottom line is…they can’t. No matter what the people want, what the polls show, what the majority favors, the Constitution does NOT authorize federal involvement in health care. The Constitution is the only legal document defining what gov’t can and can’t do. It has built-in very narrow and specific powers the feds can do as well as what they can’t. It was set-up this way for a reason. If you let Washington do whatever it pleases and disregard the Constitution then you open it up for things you might not want to happen. Things like the Patriot Act, Congressional greed/corruption, Iraq, Afghanistan, federal bailouts, erosion of the currency, trillions of dollars going to un-named actors. Many of the people on this post don’t like Republicans. Many don’t like Democrats. OK. Remember what you grant the current administration/legislature to do now, future administrations you might disagree with will also be able to do it. In other words, be careful what you wish for and remember the Law of Unintended Consequences. Health insurance can be more efficiently (and legally) handled on the local and state level than on the federal.

Jake – read your history.
Seven southern Dixiecrats switched parties AFTER the landslide election in which the GOP picked up what, 54 seats without them? They did so, of course, only so they could be re-elected two years later. Their switching sides was NOT what flipped HR power.
But you’re right, it does take a lot to unseat the majority, and the great ignorant middle will probably go along with the incumbents in 2010 precisely because none of the Socialist measures take effect until 2013.
(Isn’t it convenient, America will not have to face the consequences of this bill until after they have had their revote on Barack!)

First, Jake…what are you talking about (‘dixicrats switched sides?’)? The GOP gained control of BOTH houses of the U.S. Congress in ’94 (for the first time in 40 straight years) because voters elected enough new ones to do it — and they voted that way because of Bill Clinton, largely because of his and Hillary’s health care debacle, the previous year. Now, here we are again…a health care debacle, flying in peoples’ faces again, the year before a congressional election. Why is it so far-fetched to imagine the same thing repeating itself?
Now, to the original point I wanted to address: The Dems are literally saying, quick, hurry up and pass this thing before enough of us actually start reflecting our constituents and opposing it! Ram it through quickly, before the common folk scuttle it! Quick-quick-quick-quick-QUICK!’

Maria: You’re right. Let’s repeal all of those too. I didn’t vote for them. We were founded as a libertarian country and we grew to be the greatest power in human history on the strength of our free market principles. Socialized education is the worst of the worst – the resulting ignorance has given us socialized everything else.

Reid, Pelosi and Obama BELIEVE each other? America is in deeper trouble than we realized. “We’ve got the votes”; Obama (surprise,ssurprise): “We’ve got to pass this NOW” Isn’t this where we all came in?? Haven’t we learned? NO, not as long as these three can lie as well as they do…..and have no shame.

I am a Democrat BUT I never expected the stupidity that I am seeing “our Leaders” exhibit – They must be getting a payoff somewhere – This will be a disaster -
The real change will be in November when we all change our votes to get these buffoons OUT
What a mess -
We were warned, but blinded by THE ONE
as Maria said
Can I take back my vote for Obama? Buyers Remorse!

I can only hope that whatever they pass can be repealed in 2010-

It’s okay everybody! We can all relax. Today at Wakefield School, BO was quoted as saying; “The country can afford to insure all Americans and doing so will save money in the long run.” Phew! I feel much better knowing that the country can afford it. Don’t you?

The house bill HR 3200 contains provisions fro government run health care. It’s in there, I’ve read every page. They will also have access to your bank account, medical records and of course which party you contributed money to. The potential for corruption is enormous.

here is the dirty little secret on the “public option” – corporations are queuing up to dump their insurance plans once the public option exists.
It will relieve them of an expectation and benefits burden that has no upside whatsoever. They will, however, offer largely unregulated supplemental insurance packages to executives and high value employees.
The country will end up with two health care systems – one we all pay for with our taxes and premiums and another for the elite paid for by corporations. And the corporations will see their costs and risks of providing health insurance go way down.
Way to go “progressives”.

No has the right to force others to purchase healthcare.
No one has the right to anything they have not paid for. If you want healthcare then go and purchase it. If not you do not have the right to force others to pay for you.
This mentality of healthcare rights is childish and silly, inmature and immoral.
If all of these proposed controls are taken to their final end, you end up with slavery.
The government wants to control everything so that they can control you!
Sabastian Curry

I fear for you Americans. Higher taxes longer waits for procceedures. Thats what we have in Canada. Watch your gas taxes go thru the roof. Canada lately has been giving huge tax cuts. Our economy is beginning to boom. 27000 new jobs in our area because of tax cuts. Housing is beginning to pick up. I recently bought a house because of tax cuts. I see many Dr’s leaving because of the new regulations. More red tape. Hopefully our dr’s that moved to the States will come back to Canada.
Tim Horton a Canadaian company moved its head quarters because of the hatered the Obama administration has for big business. They said in the news they wanted to avoid the impending taxes that will come down the pike. Maybe this will be good for Canada. Maybe more manufacturing will come here in hopes of lower taxes. You Americans do everything big. SO will be the beuracracy with health care. America YOU CAN NOT AFFORD a government health care system.

the republicans are lying! this bill will insure all americans. The system we have now is not the best in the world according to the un. our life expactancy is less than europe’s. the sooner this bill passes the better our lives will be

That doesn’t make any sense.
I can just see now.. Jesus having a fit because Caesar was providing health care to his citizens vs him himself having to volunteer whatever little help he could give to the masses.
I just can’t imagine Jesus saying ‘Go get a job, and if you can’t then go to your family or church (churches were another entity he wasn’t particularly trusting of) and get relief there.
No.. in fact if Rome and Caesar had of been looking out for it’s citizens and doing things like making sure their basic sanitation and health care needs were being met, instead of rationed for only the elites, I can only imagine the New Testament would be an entirely different read.

The Democrats are conducting an all out assault on the poor like they haven’t done in years. Nanny-Statism robs the poor of the little bit of quality-of-life they have. It helps no one.
The “rich” don’t care if “health care” cost a million a year…or if a can of Coke has a $10.00 tax on it. The “rich” can still afford it. The “rich” can still smoke evil cigarettes even if they cost $5.00 each (or $100.00 per pack).
Nanny-Statism robs poor people.
The Democratic Party rank-and-file idiots (pardon the redundancy) don’t realize that the public option plan they support puts the same gun to everyones head…this one is just a different caliber.

I believe this bill, if passed, will
be challenged as UNCONSTITUIONAL according to the US Constitution.
It’s time to dust off the Founding Father’s paperwork and stand by it.
Go ahead, pass the bill….it should & will be challenged.
Come and Take Them!(300 Spartans)

Does anyone else notice Pelosi’s disdain and arrogance towards the majorities opinion. I think she actually believes she knows better for use then we know for ourselves. Look at her…notices her attitude…understand her point of view…now make the decision that SHE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!!!!

ABC aka Obama article…nuff said!

If you think that there will be voting for a new adminstration you are sadly mistaken, because that right will also be denied.

Pelosi – “We have the votes” to force this legislation down the throats of the people. I have absolutely no respect for Nancy Pelosi or any other representative that thinks they can just ignore the wishes of the citizens they represent. I’m not sure who she represents, but it sure isn’t WE THE PEOPLE.
Does anyone have any idea how we can recall or impeach this sorry excuse of a human?

If they pass this crap against the wishes of their constituencies, and it’s obvious more than 70% of voters don’t want this bill passed, they are going to start a revolution.

Nice going, fools.
A 1200 page bill handing out trillions of dollars to banks with no accountability, opposed by 95% of the population, was almost unanimously passed by congress without even reading it. Because Lord Obama called them on the phone and tap-tap-tap on the shoulder if-you-know-whats-good-for-you better vote for it.
Now, they are going to pass this government health plan in the dark of night, but are they going to read it first? ROFL ITS NOT EVEN FINISHED WRITTEN YET, SO HOW CAN THEY READ IT BEFORE VOTING?
Next is the martial-law-in-your-living-room if you don’t submit to a vaccine for a pandemic that doesn’t exist.
Oh yeah, a real great president, that Lord Obama. Is that why half the states are talking succession now?

Yes.. as I reflect over the last 50 years and think of HOW MANY TIMES I have heard the pundits and the GOP representation say bout health care ‘slow down, what is the hurry’ it just makes me wonder how everyone is watching again, saying the same thing and never realizing they are just being a rerun of over 5 decades of ‘why hurry’….
It’s a stale line.. quite disingenuous at best.

The people do not want this bill. If there’s anyone in COngress that can think, I hope they think long and hard about pissing the people off. We are sick of this crap and want our country back. Mock us at your own risk. We are not stting still for our imperial leaders any more.

I won’t suffer because of the catastrophic mistake that is about to be made, but every young American will–in spades.
I disagree that this thing can’t be repealed. Certainly once it takes effect there will be no going back, but it doesn’t take effect until 2013. (If it’s so urgent, why are they putting it off for four years?)
I think the elections of 2010 and 2012 will largely be fought over this issue, and candidates who campaign on a promise to repeal may do very well.

“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it’s rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.”

Hey Obama! Why such urgency for a bill that doesn’t take effect until 2013? Could you answer that simple question for US. And if its going to be so beneficial to Americans, wouldn’t you want to bask in the gratitude during your 2012 reelection campaign?

If passed it will destroy the democrats and devastate our economy. If it does not pass the democrats will keep congress next year. For the sake of everyone in our great nation, let’s hope it does not pass.
01/20/13

You statist just don’t get it.. You’ve won and you have the numbers in congress and you do not need the conservative vote on any thing to pass junk. You need to understand how our government used to work and how it will work from now on and mediate on what we have lost for free band aids and clunkers that some one else pays for.

I grew up in a country with government healtcare – that’s one of the reasons I (legally) fled to the US!!! England, France, and Canada are great if you want 20 year old equipment and 45 day waits for treatmnets you need right away.

Whatever plan they come up with, members of Congress will not participate. They will want to remain with their current ultra-rich plan. That being said, if the new plan is not good enough for them, then it’s clearly not good enough for them.
Sorry, but it’s time to take up arms, people. States rights – 10th Amendment – Congress has no constitutional authority to mandate health care upon the States.
Where is Ron Paul when we need him now?

Those congresspersons who do not vote for this should be aware that we will remember who you are and will vote you out in 2010. The repubs can’t even remember who voted for the bailout so don’t worry about the oppressive minority.

Let them own it. Let these two ‘ leaders ‘, and O own this mess. They’re parading Snowe out as a token, it’s almost laughable.

If this Maobamacare is so great, why won’t the house and senate adopt it for themselves. No way should this pass unless they are willing to be a part of it too.

OK, just a recap here.
Social Security is nearly bankrupt.
Welfare is the most abused system in the world, and is near bankrupt.
The Canadian health care system is bankrupt.
The French, Spanish, Italian and British heath care systems are nearly bankrupt.
The German system is in a state such that German Citizens are traveling to Chicago for heath care.
The only major socialized system in Europe that is not in trouble is the Swiss system, and that is because it is run by a NGO.
Russia’s system is run on the black market.
Now we want to socialize our system?
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, we are going to run out of other people’s money!

Name one government institution that stays in budget and maintains service. Cheaper healthcare is provided by increasing competition. NOT by reducing the competition down to one entity. Or what the government calls a MONOPOLY!! Remember, they created laws to counteract this the begining of the 20th century.
When we get hosed by the feds for poor service, who do we fire then?

There must be 2 Bobs in Ohio- because I did not post the above comment. Unlike that Bob in Ohio, I understand that the people of this country are not going to sit by and watch it go down the tubes at the hands of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. God bless the likes of Rush and Glenn- keep up the good work.

I haven’t seen the stats for France, but it is a fact that wait times for appointments and non-critical surgery are the same in England and Canada as they are in the US. Wait times for Japan are so short most people don’t even bother making an appointment, and they see doctors at least twice as much as we do.

Let’s hurry up and pass before anyone especially legislators have a time to read it. Standard Operating Procedure for Pelosi and Reid.

This is a vote for Big Gov’t and gov’t incompetence. Didn’t Obama say that if we voted for his Porkulus Bill, unemployment would stop at 8%? Didn’t he and his crew also underestimate (hide?) what the budget deficit would be, by $2 Trillion? (The CBO was right.) And the President promised to be the “most transparent”, yet he tried to jam this 1200-page bill through in 2 weeks?

What would Jesus do? Well, I don’t remember him ever teaching to demand that other people, by force be “charitable”, especially if he were a millionaire himself and did about “nada” (like Reid, Obama) when it comes to “being our brother’s keeper”. He led by example, not coercion. He will also rebuke our nation and Obama for using our taxes to pay for the abortions of millions of the little ones that He created in the womb.

chas holman, you’re missing the point. The person was telling you what happens when you HAVE health coverage, of the kind Obama wants. If Obama gets his way, in other words, EVERYONE will have a 45-odd day wait — not just the uninsured. This is one reason it’s said that capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth; socialism is the equal distribution of misery.

Flash Override: “The overwhelming majority of the American people want health care.”
Well yeah, but you’d have to be completely clueless and hidden in a spider hole for the past month to think they want the government to run it. Bear in mind that at least 50% of Americans oppose Obama’s plan, and 80% of those who have health insurance like their plans.
Obama took over the auto industry because it was not profitable. Here in America, there’s a system that’s profitable and that develops new drugs and procedures. But apparently in this case, new ideas and profitability is a bad thing. If you investigate, drug companies will help out the people who need medicine and can’t afford it. The health care system here is the only one between Europe and Canada that’s not going bankrupt (while even Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt). We also have the only health care system in the world that’s showing any signs of innovation.
I think all Americans should be covered, but the costs of the Obama plan outweigh any benefits. The only way to fix the system is through tort reform and private, non-taxable medical savings accounts.

Healthcare is not a right; it is a privilege. When was the last time you were in an emergency room and saw someone turned away? Never! If you guys are so adamant about controlling costs why not look at the AMA. How many of your friends that wanted to become Doctors were turned away from med school; with a 4.0 gpa to boot. We need to make it more accessible for those who want to become doctors; to do it. The sheer numbers would drive down costs. Old fashion competition bro. Anyone heard of Ronaldo Magnus Reagan? I LOVE CAPITOLIAM; and so does that idiot Michael Moore. How else would he become wealthy writing books and doing boring movie documentaries?

Since abortion is never mentioned in the Bible, except it does have a recipe for it, we don’t really know what Jesus would have said about it.

Washington is probably putting out the feelers again to see if we have given up yet. Time to blast these self serving politicians by phone,fax,mail and e-mail on a daily basis. One of the most disturbing things that came out of this debate during the August recess was the number of elected politicians – elected to represent us – that stated on camera that they were going to vote for what THEY felt was best for their constituents. Perhaps I am wrong – but I was silly enough to think that WE channeled “the voice of the people” through our elected represenatives. If we no longer matter we all have allowed something seriously wrong to occur. Our representative Suzanne Kosmas hid from us in August and I will bet that she will be returning to her real estate business in 2010.

Ponder this fact, you the liberal people so deeply concerned about the evil profit-seekers:
If we confiscated all the profits of all the greedy insurance companies, the money would pay for FOUR days of health care for all Americans. Adding in the profits of the 10 most rapacious US drug companies would provide another SEVEN days. Confiscating all the profits of ALL American companies in EVERY industry would cover less than FIVE months of health-care expenses. These numbers come from the current Atlantic Monthly magazine article by David Goldhill (The Atlantic, September 2009). It should be a required reading for anyone wanting to go beyond demagoguery and empty promises.

URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it is a great plan, we need to make it into LAW FAST, otherwise people may have time to realize how good it is…

The Sheep and the Goats
31″When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34″Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37″Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40″The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41″Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44″They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45″He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46″Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

What Democrat health care reform will lead to…extraordinary losses in Dem congressional seats, state succession, increase in gun sales and ammunition, civil war, Palin presidency in 2012…go for it, libs.

I am amazed that so many of you don’t have the facts therefor rush to support the ideology that preys on fear to other who are unenducated about the facts. Why don’t you wait until after tomorrow night and see what the facts are before you start dribbling with froth that you have worked yourself into.
I posed a simple question to 100 men, “what is the purpose of government?” I got 100 different answers.
I asked 100 men what is the purpose of religion. I received 100 response’s all saying the same thing – to live life to serve the lord. How is then that the phrase “whatever you do for the least of them, you do for me” is not how you wish to live your life?

Enough of this nonsense. Term limits NOW and take as many of these idiots down in 2010 as is possible. The time for talk is over. If they haven’t gotten the message loud and clear, it’s time to let them feel the full wrath of the electorate they are paid by who they are supposed to represent.

If this passes, we cannot wait until 2010 or 2012. The healthcare system as we know it will have already been destroyed by then, and Obama and his nutball buddies will be making all of our healthcare decisions for us!
We will have to fight, quite literally, once again for our freedom. If they are successful, we will have to physically remove these facist idiots from power, replace them with representatives from each state, and hold new elections. Term limits for Congress need to be put in place, and we need to make sure that our money never goes to “community organizations” like ACORN again!
I don’t know about you but I am tired. I am tired of posting my comments, sending my emails and letters, and making my phone calls to the morons who do not seem to have a clue! I’m getting really tired of having to spend all my free time screaming in protest, over the attempts by those in power to destroy our country, and take away our freedom. They know the will of the people is against them and they do not care. They are determined to inflict their will upon us.
I would venture to say there are probably about 200 million Americans out there who feel the same as I do. Thanks to the wisdom of our founding fathers, for just this sort of occasion, we have more guns in this country than people. I know we have to wait, and give the system an opportunity to work, and see what they actually do….But I am ready. If united, no force could stop us. If we are fighting for for the common goal of our freedom and to uphold the Constitution, we will find little opposition.
So go ahead Pelosi, Shummer, and Frank. You got the votes? Good, pass this crap and see what happens to you! You won’t have to worry about 2010 and 2012, you will find its 1776 and 1880 all over again!

Jake, the headline of the post is not supported by the content. P & R dont say they have the votes, they say they are optimistic.
I dont think they are going to get the votes unless Rahm leans on the more vulnerable Dem lawmakers personally. Might want to send a reporter on the trail of anyone who does an abrupt unexplainable about-face during the coming week.

Miguel wrote: “Death Panels already exist in the back rooms of the insurance companies who turn down claims regularly.
How long do people think they can confuse the masses with ignorance, racism, and sleight of hand misuse of Jefferson quotes?
I believe that people are just scared and do not want to see what is right in front of them: THe system has not worked for 30 or 40 years. Big Business cannot do health care efficiently and compasionately.”
Miguel, what ‘racism’ are you accusing people of confusing the masses with? And…are you saying the American people are collectively stupid, for falling for whatever you’re saying? And please explain how you think Jefferson has been misquoted, here.
Finally, who would you prefer deciding your fate, Miguel: an insurance company, which you can drop (in other words, you still have some say-so), or some faceless government beaurocrat, with no other real options?

Thad…
“It’s not a matter of putting money over people, it’s a matter what’s the best way to do this, and many of us don’t want the gov’t involved in what should be free market solutions.”
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We come from different perspectives..
i look at it at this juncture, and my own experience as more of a war than anything..
And I don’t recal the ‘free market’ out fighting and winning any wars for the nation. In fact the ‘free markets’ have often been comandeered and restructured by the government during war time in the nature of working for the nations best interest.
Left entirely to a free market, I fear this will be an opportunity to make more money, and help less people.
I understand your distrust of yet another government program..
i would hope you understand my distrust of a free market that is mostly unregulated having free reign over who lives and who dies when these companies bottom lines, is the bottom line.

I can see these democrat apeasers in food lines, income lines, work lines, healthcare lines, church lines (islam),
apartment lines, Education lines, transportation lines and firing squad lines after Obama finishes off with every liberty and freedom they once had.
All with a credit chip installed in their foreheads or hands and unable to do anything in life without having to have an Obama representative scan their as s-if you know what i mean.
There is nothing we can do, Obama is in the cockpit of America, when he is through, regardless of our tea parties, demonstrations, protests, he will nose dive this country into the ground so hard, all of our constitution and freedoms will disapear.
You see, none of these idiots, democrats, progresives, leftists, etc, have ever been shown the way this nation ends in THE BIBLE, so they are actually fulfilling the very story it talks about at the end of ages.
Sounds really stupid, huh? So did noah when God told him to create the ark, everyone laughed their heads off, nver the less………THEY ALL DIED.
Jesus said the last days where going to be like the days of Noah……..you think about that!

“He’s going to force you to get a better plan for less money whether you like it or not.”
A $1 trillion plan costs less money? LOL! No wonder so many financially clueless people are bankrupt in this country. Chalk up another “success” for public education.

I can’t wait for 2012. Maybe the GOP will run Rush/Palin or Palin/Sanford or O’Reilly/Beck. WOW!!

Well I am a bit confused now, because the Blue Dog Democrats in the House just told Nancy Pelosi to go pound sand.

The Dear Leader has spoken. Obey or else…

andrew,
You don’t like the current administration and so many of you want texas to be it’s own country. do you even remember what America stood for before Cheney? What has happened in the last 8 years is exactly what the founders feared, read the Shock Doctrine or John Perkin’s Confessions of Economic Hitman. Educate yourself young man.

If Obama had the votes, even just Democrat votes, Obamacare would already be law.
But Obama does not have the votes.
It will be a bipartisan vote all right: Every Republican will vote against Obamacare and so will many Democrats.

UNDERSTAND THIS! The Dems are not interested in fixing anything. They are forcing buyins from pharmacuetical complanies, insurers and medical groups with promises to spread taxpayer monies around to make everyone wealthy. Those not forced in but who have enthusiastically supported the health care travesty are the unions that will benefit enormously from the passage of the bill. The Dems have only two motives for this treasonous bill, to control the money and to control the voting block of people tied and dependent on govt. approved health services.
Every elected official and their staffers shoule be forced by law to retire to a union-run senior citizens community,,,,,in North Dakota.

“This ain’t gonna happen leslie jo cuz as soon as we get health care reform passed we are gonna have all you right winged nut jobs commited.”
But then who will pay the taxes?

Re Canadian health care: It varies greatly from area to area. Each province runs their own system within the Federal guidelines. For example, I believe you will find that some provinces have gone ahead and allowed outpatient surgery centers to eliminate the long waits; other provinces do not allow them. So it is hard to generalize about the quality of health care in Canada. But one thing is for sure; they are running out of money to fund it and are having government meetings on what to do about the problem.

Total spending on health care, per person, 2007:
United States: $7290
United Kingdom: $2992

It is interesting how liberals talk about evil insurance companies, evil drug companies and evil insurance companies. How many jobs do these “evil” companies provide to average, middle class working folk? How quickly libs forget about the little people when it is a company they do not like.

Without Ted Kennedy the Democrats have no chance to blocking a filibuster, and they no it. Joe Lieberman is also on record as opposing Obamacare. Connecticut is the insurance industry capital of the United States, and Lieberman its senator.
Chris Dodd (D-CT) also said it Obamacare would not come up for a vote before Christmas, if ever. And those are your two senators from Connecticut.

I smell the desperation of the privileged here…

Flash Override:
There is nothing like the smell of a freshly washed brain in the morning. Need a towel?

Tim..
Not only did I have a once SUBSTATIAL savings, I assumed I would be insured after almost 20 years with the same company and being a earnest consumer.
When your health goes all of the sudden as mine and you start having to have bones replaced right and left and then find yourself uninsured and on VERY expensive drugs (morphine amongst them) your entire life savings goes VERY quickly..
Just the hips and shoulders alone I could of afforded a modest house.. rather instead I sold one..
Peace~!

The public option will create a two-tiered system. Those who end up using it will be competing with the indigent for basic healthcare services. Many businesses (especially businesses with large numbers of low & entry level positions) will roll their employees into the public option for simplicity and cost savings. It will be illuminating to see if the Federal & State employees are rolled into the public option also.
Those in management positions or in white collar businesses will continue to pay for private insurance and access to a greater level of services. The quality physicians and institutions will gravitate to serve this lucrative market.
The losers will be the lower middle-class who will now be subject to the constraints of the public option and the elderly who will have to compete for scarce healthcare resources with new entitlees.
Private insurers should benefit from having a pool of well educated, intelligent, clients to enroll (the public option will absorb the chaff). Education has a direct correlation to healthy lifestyles. Smart people make healthier lifestyle choices and require less healthcare dollars (until they get old and then it’s the Govt’s problem again).
If you are upper middle-class and less than 50 yo, support the public option. It’s a no brainer.

Do I small the strong order of scare tactics coming from Nancy and Harry’s lips.
You can count on it because they don’t have the votes

I can name you 5 car insurance companies off the top of my head who are fighting for my business. What’s keeping the health insurance companies from competing for my business? Is having a government option really going to increase competition when there’s no competition to begin with? The only way to hunt for insurance is to either change jobs or be self employed and pay outrageous costs because you’re not associated with a group purchase. I’m healthy, and I’d be willing to pay for my own tests to prove it just to lower my premiums. Taking defensive driving courses in some states gives you discounts on your car insurance. I should have health insurance companies knocking on my door fighting for my business. People that are prone to health problems will have to pay more, just like people who avoid wrecks less pay more for car insurance. It’s brutally fair, but why should we foot the bill because someone wants to kill themselves by living an unhealthy lifestyle? Where’s the competition?!?!

“Total spending on health care, per person, 2007:
United States: $7290
United Kingdom: $2992″
And adding million on who can’t pay or can pay very little (otherwise they would have insurance) is only going to add to the cost of those who can afford to pay.
Hey, but nothing like forcing people to buy something they don’t want. Not really the American way or Constitutional, but we are talking about the modern-day left here.
My spounse is a British subject and for $3000 year you get what you pay for. If you don’t mind having an operation and then being shoved into a closet for recovery with beds stacked 4 high and hoping you aren’t the one on the bottom who gets everyone else’s pee on you, then the UK healthcare system is perfect for you.

Davis, Republicans did not create the “economic mess.” It all started with Jimmy Carter and the Community Reinvestment Act.” Bush tried to fix the problems but the Democrats would have none of it. This is all on tape for the world to see. AND THERE WERE WMDs in Iraq! I am so tired of this lie that the Democrats have advanced. Traces of the WMDs were found. Sadam had to be removed and he did have connections with Al Qaeda. There is a book by Sadam’s general and he says the WMDs were in Iraq and they were moved to Syria while we fooled around for months with the UN! So get an education in reality, how about it?

I can see these democrat apeasers in food lines, income lines, work lines, healthcare lines, church lines (islam),
apartment lines, Education lines, transportation lines and firing squad lines after Obama finishes off with every liberty and freedom they once had.
All with a credit chip installed in their foreheads or hands and unable to do anything in life without having to have an Obama representative scan their as s-if you know what i mean.
There is nothing we can do, Obama is in the cockpit of America, when he is through, regardless of our tea parties, demonstrations, protests, he will nose dive this country into the ground so hard, all of our constitution and freedoms will disapear.
You see, none of these idiots, democrats, progresives, leftists, etc, have ever been shown the way this nation ends in THE BIBLE, so they are actually fulfilling the very story it talks about at the end of ages.
Sounds really stupid, huh? So did noah when God told him to create the ark, everyone laughed their heads off, never the less………THEY ALL DIED.
Jesus said the last days where going to be like the days of Noah, never the less……..you think about that!

No to incredibly expensive, tax-raising, rationing, intrusive federal government health care legislation. This nuttiness of handing D.C. this level of control is quite possibly the worst thing American citizens can do. There won’t be savings. Your care absolutely won’t get any better (what a joke to say it will get better). The real number of uninsureds is closer to 10 to 15 million, for which we have Medicaid & Medicare. Most reasonable people think that should be the extent of gov’t (taxpayer) assistance.
The federal gov’t is out of control. The Republicans of the past few years fed the federal monster, and the Democrats are feeding it with abandon. NEVER give up power to any form of government unless absolutely necessary. Vote out all incumbents and demand they implement term limits. The elitist D.C. mentality of complete control needs to end now, and that will only happen if citizens stand up against the power loons in D.C.

Bush and the Republicans inherited a surplus from Clinton and then spent 8 years deregulating Wall Street and everything for quarterly profits.
Republicans should pay in 2010 and yes 2012!
Health Care reform is needed as the insurance premiums hit the roof since 2003 and will continue to increase if the Republicans get their way.

Flash Override – Those life expecanyt rates do not consider deaths due to murder, suicide and accidents where the USA leads the pack. Duh!!

“This is the same country that the mainstream press just recently reported had 4,000+ women giving birth in hallways, exam rooms, restrooms, etc. because there was a shortage of rooms???”
socialism101 | Sep 8, 2009 10:31:20 PM
And their system is better than the US’s, which has tuberculosis suffers riding public transit all night because it’s the only warm place they can find to sleep.
(And the European birthing system is far different than the US – birth is not treated as an illness and home births are actually quite common.)

Name one government program that is run well and I will be in favor of government healthcare. When the government gets involved, costs sky-rocket, they do not decrease! And our president, Mr. OhMama, says the government plan is going to decrease the cost of healthcare. If the democrats’ plan passes, our country will be in for a looooonnnnnggg economic decline, followed by a longer economic downturn.

If you don’t want a government run health plan you can always buy your own private plan. What’s the problem with allowing the poor to see a Doctor every now and then? Are you truely any better than they are?

Can not wait till the next election! Bring it on, New Congress and President please!

The USA would have a better life expectency then the rest of the world, if we didn’t have all the murders of young people in our cities. Just Philly alone you can count on 400/600 murders a year. Add all the drug overdoses and car deaths and you have a low life expectancy.

i think anyone who doesn’t want health reform/public option should sign a list and when it becomes an option not be allowed to participate in it. You should also give up your social security checks, not use roads, medicare, police, fire, etc.

I don’t understand why when Liberals are backed in to a corner with facts they start the name calling. Can’t you people just have an intelligent conversation and realize that people may disagree with you for a reason.

Brian, agree completely. In order to compare apples to apples you have to look at thing like life expectancy after experiencing the same illness… i.e. cancer. I’m pretty sure the US is either the highest or right up there.
Plus, we are not another one of those countries. We are a country of 300MM people. Our government can’t run this and is already pretty darn close to bankrupting us without adding this.
And it will NOT save us money. You can’t add 40MM people to something and say it will cost less in the end.

I guess this bill will include all federal employees incuding the house and senate and Mr. President.

“To the guy who posted names of countries with a higher life expectancy than us: It is true, and the most amazing thing is that they do it while spending half as much as we do!”
Then why do so many of them come over to the US for healthcare. The waiting list for open heart surgery in the UK is 6 weeks! And taxes are enormously higher in the UK to pay for their healthcare and other social costs. The largest employer in the UK is the government healthcare system. Good care? Not. Low cost? Not. Inefficient service with patients in pain and misery? Definitely.
Finally, where in the US Constitution does it allow for government to enact this?

You guys on the left amaze me. You throw around propaganda like no one ever fact checks anything. I guess the old adage about throwing enough crud against the wall still remains in effect when it comes to liberal propaganda. I would like for just one of you libs to explain to me where Obama has made a positive difference in anything whatsoever. The stimulus didn’t work. The majority of the country was against the car union bailouts. Unemployment is getting worse despite Biden’s claims to the contrary. Obama quadrupled the national debt. He has no strategy in Afghanistan. He’s been incoherent on his health care plan and has let Pelosi run wild. Where’s the transparency he promised? Is it any wonder his poll numbers are tanking? Biggest drop for a first year president in history. This man is a joke and a liar.

Ethan, are you aware that Medicare is $33 trillion in the red, and will be insolvent in ten years? Do you seriously think the VA is a good example of government health care? Ever been in a VA hospital? (I’ve been in four. Never again.)
Meanwhile…Americans have a higher survival rate than any other country on earth for 13 of 16 of the most common cancers.  Perhaps that is why Belinda Stronach, former liberal member of the Canadian Parliament and Cabinet member (one of the health care systems touted as “superior” to the US) abandoned the Canadian Health Care system to undergo her cancer treatment in California.
Why do you think that is so?

Mistake … the waiting list for open heart surgery in the UK is not 6 weeks. It is 6 months. Sorry for the error and sorry for those who won’t survive the 4 months and 2 weeks until they can be operated on.

travis,
wait until the day you get laid off or change jobs and try and get health insurance now that you have a back problem. please, lazy people, dumb rhetoric and unfortunately you are going to find out how bad the system is.

It is time to replace these clowns in Washington. Lock, stock and barrel. Republicans and Democrats and everybody in between. I am tired of these people ignoring the will of the people. They have forgotten they are there to serve us not us here to serve them. It is time for a revolution in this country.

Go ahead, ignore all the people’s wishes.
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ALL?? This is funny. He’s actually not ignoring the wishes of the people and party who voted him into office and desire universal health care reform.

I work for a British company, which covers private
medical insurance for the executives. The rest of
the employees have to settle for state health care.
I’m certain the same will happen with my
husband’s company. The owner and his family will
have private health care and so will the top
executives. Posted by:Mari*****************
******Sorry to inform you Mari, at the rate the
present system is collapsing, this is exactly what
will happen in the near future, except only your
boss will have the insurance , NOT you.

bright day in america,
would you like to inform us why the majority of americans voted for a democratic controlled congress and president? what exactly did they not like and what did they want by voting for the opposition? maybe you should focus on that and some sanity will return.

“Leaning,” Ethan? Right. You were on the fence this morning, but what you’ve read here has made up your mind for you. Makes sense to me.
Please note this about the nakedly agenda-driven WHO “rankings”: Interestingly, the WHO completely failed to broadcast that America’s health system ranked first in responsiveness to patients’ needs for choice of provider, dignity, autonomy, timely care, and confidentiality. In other words, where it matters most to patients, the U.S. system excels–even in the eyes of those unabashed statists.
And that’s what you’ll surrender under Obamacare. (Pay close attention to “dignity.”)

The Feds can’t even manage the Cash 4 Clunkers program correctly.. They managed to mess up that good program with there bureaucracy crap and terrible foresight.. Most car dealerships still haven’t gotten paid yet!! Now they expect us to believe that they can manage the entire nations health care.. GET REAL!! This will turn most Americans against obama.. and might even cause a civil war

More history Lessons:
1) The FDA does a reasonably good job regulating the meat industry. A fairer comparison is if that republican president attempted to take over the entire food industry – now that would be downright scary.
2) France’s “great” national healthcare system allowed tens of thousands (look it up, I’m not exaggerating) of their patients to DIE from heat related causes – twice. In two separate heat spells within the last decade they had to rent frozen food warehouses for all the bodies in heat waves that never broke 100f. A HUGE percentage of those that died were under doctors care in what passes for hospitals and old folks homes in France – apparently their staff goes on holiday in the late summer and the govt run institutions are so well funded and managed that they didn’t have air conditioning. Theirs is barely better than many 3rd world countries.
Stop this takeover nonsense. Get back to reducing costs and expanding coverage to those in need – leave the rest of us (and our healthcare) alone.
Do you really want to model our healthcare system, currently the best in the world (where royalty goes when sick) after one that can’t afford air conditioners for senior citizens and allows most of their staff to take holiday at the same time every year? One wonders how bad it really is if they can’t handle these most basic of management tasks.

Ignore the wishes of the people.
Go ahead.
Make our day.

Dear Anthony. Pelosi, Reid, and Obama profited by Bush being so unpopular when he left office. But clearly any normal person has to admit that Obama mis-represented himself to the American people. He portrayed himself as a moderate. The joke was on all of us. He’s an outright socialist. And I don’t use that term lightly.

To:
A Rather Obvious Point
Says who? FOX NEWS? LOL
PLease…..Thats what you Want us to believe. Just because The Majority who SUPPORT and WANT HealthCare arent wasting valubale time on fake,manufactured Tea Partys and screaming like lunitics in TownHalls DOES NOT mean things have changed. The MAJORITY of this country STILL wants HealthCare. So NOTHING has Changed!Your view is STILL in the minority. LOL

Hey Liz most American’s still want Health care reform but not what the “Unqualified One” is peddling. People said they wanted change but never asked what kind of change. Change off a cliff is change but not positive change. Americans want reform where cost is brought down and they still have their freedoms and choice. This is not what is being peddled the the American public.
Posted by: Andrew | Sep 8, 2009 10:44:18 PM
I totally agree with you Andrew. I asked myself one day when Obama was giving one of his great campaign speeches about “change”. I said, what kind of change; it could be bad change. I agree that health care needs to be reformed but not completely changed. I DO NOT want the government in charge of my decisions for my health care. If a person has to work and pay for their health care then they should be the one to make the decisions for it.

Fascist Hyena – must have been another Etham I just logged into this. Having lived in Germany, Italy and Australia and being married to a NP, and having great private insurance, I can tell you the public option is the only way to go in a civilized society – you also need tort reform, more PCPS (who should be paid more, and some specialists paid less), and ledd borderline placebo drugs should be prescribed. You may have good insurance now, but you wait until you’re unemployed and diagnosed with cancer…

Dear Joe. You are right. It’s all about CONTROL!!! The people are just a tool to their ideological ends. We have to end this beginning in 2010.

Reid and Pelosi looked foolish today.
Reid said that Repubs were still welcome at the table.
The reporter asked why the Repubs weren’t invited to the closed door meeting.
Reid and Nancy had the deer in headlights look.

There aren’t enough rich people to tax to pay for all this. There isn’t enough money to print. It will be payed for on the backs of grandma and the ill. They will get no treatment. Others will have to wait in line and hope. Just wait till you see what a quality gov’t owned dr. and hospital is like.
There are so many small changes that could really help insure people and make the market more competitive. But dims don’t like competition. They’d rather have millions of health care slaves beholden to them and trapped in a system they themselves will never deign to use.
All you sheeples that support this ask yourself this : if it’s soo great why is your dear leader (and minions) keeping his top of the line policy? HMMMMM? What excuse are you going to give for that?

‘ People coming here from Europe for procedures? Works both ways many Americans go to Germany, Scandinavia and Swiss for procedures’
BULL – Check the details in your stats. Most of those americans going to europe, china or elsewhere are requesting new, experimental, controversial, or unproven treatments that are banned in the US. Show me the kings, queens, presidents, prime ministers, business leaders, etc choosing other countries for their care for any reason other than banned treatments. I can give a 30+ page list of the elite coming here. I even met a king at a hospital in cleveland several years back – he could have gone anywhere and departed from his 3rd world castle or whatever within days of his diagnosis (which came from UK hospital and took 3 months after requesting tests)

2010 is only next year.
If this plan is not everything Obama claims it is, he will alienate the largest constiency which are the seniors. No matter how many illegal votes he tries to gin up with Acorn, he may unseat huge number of Democrats next year. Besides that, only partisans support ObamaCare. The people on board with the Republican plans have some Dem support…

Alyson wrote: “Ignoring the will of which people? Tone deaf when it comes to whom? The ones who went into highly shrill theatrical hissy fits over a motivational speech to school children? The ones taking their lead and talking points from an ultra paranoid, yet entertaining and dramatic talk show host?”
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Alyson, the White House was going to ask kids how they could help Obama, until the uproar over this naked indoctrination attempt caused them to back off. I hate to say it, kiddo, but you’re rather obviously grasping at straws, here. Obama is sinking, fast, and it’s really unnerving his supporters. He’s just not the inspiring guy we had last November, anymore. His fall has really surprised me. I didn’t necessarily expect things to go this badly for him, this soon. But the sooner reality is faced by his supporters, the sooner they can deal with it, appropriately.

Reid and Nancy had the deer in headlights look.
Posted by: jack | Sep 8, 2009 11:24:03 PM
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Actually, that look was more of a “have you talked to them lately; they’re shrill and unserious” look, a “have you read their insurance-company- proposals” look. I don’t blame them. There’s been one Republican who has negotiated in good faith, who has truly tried to be bipartisan and she’s had a seat at the table. Catch a clue!

But Paul from Canada – I can get treatment for my cancer when I need it, not when some bureaucrat tells me it’s time. Plus, that health care tax would end up on top of all our other taxes, which only a small portion deals with healthcare (for the elderly – which is going bankrupt BTW). So, you see, we will kill our economy that already is showing no signs of life. There will be no savings because the gov’t never runs anything as efficiently as the private sector. Plus, why do all you Canadians come here if it’s so great there? Something doesn’t add up, Paul.

@
groggin
I hear you, but that’s to general? All i hear the republicans do is critize and say no to everything without offering up solutions of their own…Put up or SHUT UP!!!! And the kicker is that they had 8years to do this when THEY controled everything, so i dont want to hear it now.
Cheney especially…..that arrogant, Heartless(literally) SOB, trashed this country and has the nerve to crtitzed somebody else………..to little to late. HEALTHCARE NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Go for it Dems. You got the votes – do it. Just remember 3 months until 2010.
Remember when Bush was President and unemployment was 5%?

Let me know when you’re willing to admit electing Obama was a mistake. The only difference between Obama and Bozo is the spelling of the names. Oh, that and Bozo doesn’t celebrate Ramadan.

The Republicans and the insurance lobby are out of power, and they still think they have the right to push people around and tell them what to do.
Tough luck boys, you lost.

TO AY
So your saying in 9 months things have changed that much? your wrong! The same people that wanted HealthCare last Nov. STILL want it. We’ve moved on alright, and now were gonna make good on a promise!!

To those who continue to throw around the term socialism.
I am no friend of the democratic party… but I also have issues with the far right… I have voted for Democratic candidates and Republicans. I consider myself center right.
YOU MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK LIKE IDIOTS WHEN YOU CASUALLY CALL PEOPLE SOCIALISTS!
I did not vote for Obama… I despise his agenda. But… to call it socialism is just riduculous. You are not helping your conservative cause. To those of us in the middle… you seem, well… desperate.

The problem with arguing that most fed and state programs are the red is that the ones that never payed think it will all go away without repurcussions and they stay rich. In the wrong country, these rich people would would have a much more precarious time even with that wealth with russia on the rich and china on rarer occoasions as examples.
Private should have won out long ago due to much lower costs than government which has never happened even to this day. Guess why?

Where is the outrage over BHO making a big behind closed door deal with Phrma? Do you know that he agreed to limit drug company involvement to only $80 billion? This was in return for no Medicare drug price negotiations and for the drug companies to spend $150 million on pro-Obamacare ads. How can you libs defend this liar? He has more lobbiest than any other President and his czars are an unvetted national disgrace. Do you not see the errosion of your liberties and freedom? You complained about Bush nonstop but Obama has kept inplace almost every program Bush had. This man is the most dishonest President in my lifetime!

For roughly 50 years I have seen the health care pundits say ‘what’s the big rush, whats the hurry’.
It’s a stale and disingenuous line as far as I am concerned.

ROMNEY 2012!!

Ive got on my hands and knees every night for the last month and prayed that they will put it up for a vote. I say keep on doing what you have been doing. This president is turning out to be the best gift ever,even his own party is starting to squirm and it only took a few months. I for one and stocking up on the popcorn.

REMEMBER-
Unfotunately, the idiots on both sides seem to make all the noise and thus get all the press. There are reasonable people from both parties who want to get the right version passed that best suits this country. Unfortunately, there are too many others that can only offer a partisan YES or a partisan NO. THEY are the problem. Forget party loyalty, really… how about country loyalty. Yeah… like that will EVER happen.

@Groggin
nice try but attempt to throw off the ignorant won’t work.
Hugo Chavez says Obama and his plan is more socialist than he is.
Go do your homework on everyone of his Czars and appointees. Socialism is their goal and ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

“Afraid not, you’re wrong. The elected members of the Congress and the Senate will have the final say, not a bunch of hysterical right wing nincompoops.
Julietrra….not a hysterical nncompoop…just a small employer of 70 hard working individuals. Obviously you have never made payroll nor taken care of your employees without government assistance….
Enjoy the life government will provide you…..you deserve it !!!

julieterra wrote: “Bush’s approval ratings fell to something like 30% and no one kicked him out.”
And Bill Clinton’s approval ratings didn’t fall anywhere near that much, and the GOP still had a landslide year in ’94. Anything is possible. Obama is on thin, thin ice here. It could go EITHER way for him, depending on what he does.

Carl–
I feel your pain. This country is headed in a dangerous direction. BUT, it’s always better to be specific with your grievances, as you articulated in your recent post, than to toss around the term socialist and name call. Just my opinion. But yes… we are definitely headed in the wrong direction and down a slippery slope that if left unchecked could lead to where you are suggesting… I just don’t think that is Obama’s true intent.. and… more importantly… the country simply won’t stand for it. His poll numbers are heading south as fast as any newly elected in history. He’ll get it. Call him what you want… misguided, perhaps. But he ain’t stupid. He is still my president (didn’t vote for him) and I hope for our sake that he starts making better decisions. I don’t want him to fail… I just want him to get it right.

why do they have to vote on bills that are not even written yet? the people have no idea what soros, i mean obama is going to put in the bills he wants passed. some of you sheeple are awfully trusting of a man that has not kept any of his promises. some say the right doesnt have a plan. not true,but they dont get to debate it since we are run by tyrants. tort reform is one but according to howard dean, we wont get that because dems dont want to PO the trial lawyers. let insurance be bought across state lines. more competition means cheaper rates. and none of these plans would cost tax payers a cent….

Pres Obama says he’s serious about health care & health insurance reform, then backs away from proven methods of lowering medical costs and insurance premiums – cross border insurance purchasing and tort reform – in order to promote a government insurance plan that will supposedly provide competition. He begins by being disingenuous and proceeds with being dishonest and far from transparent as he bows to the special interests of lawyers and expanding government.
The majority of American citizens reject the public option and embrace real methods of reform that will lead to lower costs and universal coverage for all.

Obviously, nearly all of us can agree that health care needs some reforming but I am surprised how many blithering idiots here think the gov’t can run it. For Pete’s sake people, the gov’t can run a freaking “clunkers” program. They can’t run a post office. They can’t run ANYTHING without going into the red big time. You suddenly think they can run the health care industry? The CAN NOT do it.

Alyson…a minority of people are jousting for control to rule the majority. I’m afraid if you’re supporting Obama’s policies and ideas you are a Marxist/socialist but don’t realize it…not an uncommon characteristic for the naive and Utopian folks who follow this pied piper…

can anyone answer this question?
obama said many times while campaigning that the health care issue was so important that the debate would be televised on c-span so that the american people would know what was going on. remember that he liked to state that he would run the most transparent administration in our lifetime? how did we go from c-span to “rush this legislation before the august reccess before anyone has a chance to read this crap?
far from transparent as it turns out, isn’t it?

When the member of congress get the same health coverage they want to cram down our throats then I’ll trust them. But they aren’t and I don’t. This country can not absorb the health care reform they intend to ram up our butts!

One thing for sure. Many, if not most, of us will never vote for a representative or senator that goes along with this 3 in the morning plan.
Obama is proving himself to be the socialist he is and is rapidly losing favor even among Democrats. It is time that we the people stand up for what we believe and what made this country great. The destroying of America that this present congress and administration is doing cannot be tolerated. Vote these turkeys out at every opportunity.

Groggin –
IMHO, your faith in Obama is misplaced. He has repeatedly said he is in favor of nationalized (e.g., single-payer) healthcare, on the stump and elsewhere. That, by definition, is socialism–the government take-over of the major industries, and heath-care is a major industry. The Democrats have been in power for two and half years now, first controlling all of congress and now the entire government. Any “direction” our country is going is fully their responsibility. If you are displeased with the “direction” of the country, you have only them to blame. Rather than kick out the Republicans, it would have been wiser to work within that party to find better fiscally conservative candidates because you are not going to find fiscal conservatism anywhere in the Democrat Party, anymore. It has become a socialist party.

You Repubs who keep citing Rasmessan Polls and all……do you know how long off the 2010 elections are? Once HealthCare is not the focus and the economy turns around, you guys are so TOAST!!!!!
So please stop fooling yourselves.

“The best course of action for Obama would be to say, ‘look, I’ve heard the dissent”
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The fanatical right wing and the insurance lobby have been screaming and screaming, and have made a lot of noise – that doesn’t mean they should be listened to.
Not a chance.

How many of you are aware that in at least two places in the current bill, the govt and those in charge of the “health care” system will have direct access to EVERYONES bank accounts?
That’s how this will get paid for.
There will be “workers” who will be provided what they “need” and income will not be important as the good of mankind is more important than individual rights or freedom.
It’s quite successful in North Korea.

The polls are showing that D’s are pretty much toast no matter what happens now.
Reid is 10 points behind the “anyone who wants to run against him” opponent.
What a bunch of morons…..

After free healthcare paid for by the working taxpayers, I want free dental coverage. I want a 401(k) like you rich people. I want a new car too b/c I need to go to the doctor and the bank. After that I want free furnitures for my house that YOU helped me buy too. By the time I get all the free stuff, I’ll have a list of more freebies by then.

@ Robert
Harry’s Job is Safe.
Trust.

Here to Stay wrote: You Repubs who keep citing Rasmessan Polls and all……do you know how long off the 2010 elections are? Once HealthCare is not the focus and the economy turns around, you guys are so TOAST!!!!!
So please stop fooling yourselves.
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Here to stay, I’m an independent, and I posted the Rasmussen poll, too. Have you ever cite a poll, when it’s favorable to you? And why do you say ‘PLEASE stop’ (emphasis mine)? Do you find it a bit teeth-grinding to hear certain things? Plus, ‘here to stay’ doesn’t square with one bit of reality of the human existence, or history. As Heraclitus noted thousands of years ago: The only constant is change. And somehow, I don’t think Obama (or his party) are all of a sudden some super-human exeptions to that.

IMHO, your faith in Obama is misplaced. He has repeatedly said he is in favor of nationalized (e.g., single-payer) healthcare, on the stump and elsewhere. That, by definition, is socialism–
Posted by: Carl | Sep 9, 2009 12:00:33 AM
Carl, this is an extremely misleading post. Obama has said if he could start over from scratch, he’d favor single payer, but since we can’t he favors something else. Nice sleight of hand in your misquotes. Single payor advocates know without question that Obama is not a proponent of it given the lay of the land. We’re not even sure we’re going to get a robust public option.
As for being displeased with the direction of the country and laying it all at the feet of the Dem Congress which has held a majority since January 2007, please google Bruce Bartlett’s piece for the Daily Beast regarding the GOP’s misplaced rage. It is Bush’s and the GOP’s disastrous economic and monetary policies which destroyed our economy, although he did what was necessary in the last few seconds of his presidency to keep us from hurling into a deep depression.
And pssst. There ARE few, if any, fiscally conservative candidates in the GOP. Most favor a nanny state for corporations and the wealthy– which is still a nanny state involving all kinds of government intervention.
The democratic party is NOT a socialist or Marxist or communist party. Have you ever been to a socialist or communist country, cuz you don’t seem to have any idea what you’re talking about. As the Republican party has become more and more extreme, the Democratic party has become more centrist. Do some research. Catch a clue.

By Obama’s 1000th day in office, only the ignorant and the arrogant of those who voted for him will not be sorry or ashamed they did.

Julie, I’ve noticed that you’re not responding with any facts or stats, like the people you’re responding to are using. You’re just name-calling and lashing out. It’s not helping your cause, kiddo. Either you’re angry and feeling a little insecure (what Obama person wouldn’t nowadays?), or you’re simply trying to irritate others. Perhaps both. Either way, it’s rather obvious and I guess I find it a bit amusing, really…but I have to get back to work. See ya.

“tax cuts for all American’s worked.”
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Bush cut back taxes and put everything on the people’s credit card – and he did this during ‘good time’. What do you think happened when the bad times came? Everything crashed – you save money and pay off bills during ‘good times’; but no, not Bush . . .. he overspent and undertaxed for everyone of his 8 years.
Not smart. Nobody is going back there.
And yes the economic crash is of course all the Democrats fault, Bush and the Republicans had nothing to do with it.

alyson, if you thing harry reid, pelosi, schumer, rangel, etc are centrists, then you are really off the edge. obama has let these nuts control the haelthcare debate and now he has to try to save it by himself moving back to the center. by the way, a centrist wouldn’t have an avowed marxist (van Jones) as an advisor. i’m hoping the pres gorws up because it really looks like amateur night in the white house.

How about TORT REFORM? Over 1,000 pages that the legal system will haggle over for years if passed. We cannot afford a Government run health care plan. People gripe about costs now! We need SELF CONTROL and NOT GOVERNMENT CONTROL!! TORT REFORM IS THE FIRST STEP to health care reform! Government needs to stay out of the private sector.

“Carl, this is an extremely misleading post. Obama has said if he could start over from scratch, he’d favor single payer, but since we can’t he favors something else.”
No it is not. If you read the bill, you would find that the current legislation proposed would morph into single-payer pretty quickly. The problem is the government can subsidize health-care at a loss using taxes, while competitors cannot, even the no-profits, like BCBS. You cannot compete with someone who can simply tax away losses while you have to pay the electric bills from premiums. Thus, the free enterprise operations and non-profit providers will go belly-up, leaving only the public option. This is what Obama wants, and he has stated that he wants to move towards single-payer, which is a purely socialist system. The problem is that there are no cost-controls in place, so with no competition with the government plan, you can only expect higher taxes and more expensive, not less expensive, healthcare. If this were not true, then Medicare/Medicaid would not be going bankrupt and they could reign in cost, which they have failed to do at every opportunity. Expect everyone’s taxes to go up tremendously if this health-care plan passes.

how bad will the republicans look to america after health reform passes, .. all that spleen venting and rage, all for nothing.
wonder what will the next big republican fraud will look like….

9.7% UNEMPLOYMENT, $9 Trillion in additional debt. And the President’s first priority is cramming a Government takeover of healthcare down the throats of the American people who want to go slow and carefully in reforming health care. WE DO NOT want another bill passed in 24 hours that nobody has read! STOP IT Mr. President! Eliminate the restrictions on pre-existing conditions. Make Group Policies portable when people change jobs. Open up competition nationwide. DO NOT have the GOVERNMENT take over health care. Not now. Fix the economy, get people back to work, and bring down the debt. Don’t commit the country to trillions upon trillions in out of control spending and taxes! Don’t create Government waitlist for treatment, and denial of care to the elderly and cancer patients! We don’t need to rush into a possible diaster.

“You Repubs who keep citing Rasmessan Polls and all……do you know how long off the 2010 elections are? Once HealthCare is not the focus and the economy turns around, you guys are so TOAST!!!!!
So please stop fooling yourselves.”
Actually, Rasmussen Polls are generally the most accurate because they are from information compiled from actual voters. Just take a look at their polling for the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections. In both elections, Rasmussen predicted the outcomes very accurately (moreso than its competitors). In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and their last poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. In 2004, In 2004 George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while John Kerry earned 48.3%. Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project both candidates’ totals within half a percentage point by projecting that Bush would win 50.2% to 48.5%.
Also, we’ll see how long the economy turns around with all this incredible deficit spending.
Stepping off my soapbox now.

All that I know from seeing, watching and hearing Prez Obama is that he loves the stage, the limelight, the polite and/or thunderous applause and the ssound of his own voice. He even seems to like to go “off teleprompter” occasionally and attempt to make a contemporaneous argument/point of some kind (the FedEx, UPOS, USPS comments were odd, weren’t they?) to show all of us and especially his handlers that he is, in fact, good on his feet.
But, so often, in the end or by the next day I find myself asking, “Now what was really accomplished by that hour-long ‘entertainment’ session?” If this occurs yet again tomorrow eve I will know for certain that this guy just doesn’t know how to lead.

three months after the health care debate began we still don’t know what obama is going to insist be in the bill. what a leadership vacuum. the more people see his actions, the less they like him. he’s holding onto lib support, but the independents are fleeing quickly because he’s clearly not what he said he was.

julieterra sure Bush overspent but Tax cuts did work. The economy was growing. Im not a fan of all of Bush’s liberal spending policies but facts are facts and it was not until after Democrats took control of Congress that the economy tanked. The simple fact liberals fail to acknowledge is that a little overspending has not helped us so what makes them think the massive debt the “Unqualified One” and his fellow travelers in Congress are creating is going to help? We need tax cuts and less spending. Cut out the Dept. of Education. Cut out all the Tsars, which is un-American terminology in the first place. Reform health care for true choice and portability. Remove the Unqualified One and put in McCain who at least understands real pork when he sees it and has walked the talk and not just talked and talked.

2010 is just around the corner….. then the American people will be your worse nightmare…..
Posted by: Jon Monde
seems there were those who predicted Obama didn’t have a shot at being president…..
never crosses that republican mentality of your that what you ‘think’ might not happen… does it..

Jefferson was right: Only the landed gentry should vote.

David Axelrod can read a poll better than I can, so he understands that the public opposition to Obama’s top domestic agenda item—the health-care push—is far more than a right-wing conspiracy. But the White House’s failure to recognize the authenticity and decency of its political opponents is dangerous. According to Frank Newport of the respected Gallup surveys, “most Americans do not believe that the U.S. health-care system is in a state of crisis. The economy outweighs health care as the most pressing problem facing the country and in Americans’ personal lives.”

If you read the bill. . .
Posted by: Carl | Sep 9, 2009 12:23:14 AM
Have you read the Senate Finance bill yet or heard Obama’s speech?
No?
Me neither.
From what I’ve read about the Senate bill it differs from the House bill in some significant ways and takes into account some bipartisan ideas.
I have read the House bill and, if you squint your eyes and imagine, it could possibly allow for expansion from a public option into single payer if we were ever at a point where that would be politically feasible. We’re not, and it’s not going to happen. Don’t let people scare you into believing falsehoods. The children of the nation were not indoctrinated with nefarious ideas today– and we’re not headed for socialism.

Wait until seniors read Senate Bill 330/H.R. 684 that is essentially the “govt option” for their Part D Medicare Prescription drug plans. Goodbye choice, options, competition and get ready for govt controlled drug lists, prices and costs of their prescriptions to go sky high. Funny how this bill was ready to go the first week Obama was inaugurated. Socialization is creeping in quietly.

Date: Monday, July 1 2002
President Bush announced an Administration effort to increase home ownership rates among African Americans and Hispanics by 5.5 million by 2010.
The plan would provide down payment assistance to 40,000 minority homebuyers each year.
Bush’s plan would be closely tied to some $440 million in minority loan programs offered by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. President Bush commended Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s efforts.
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Yeah right, all the foreclosures, the crash of the mortgage industry, and the ensuing economic collapse was the fault of the Democrats. Bush had nothing to do with it. Nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.

Millions of hard-working Americans go to work each day to support their families.
Posted by: RightWing
and they can thank the Dems for getting them a decent wage and benefits……

tex wrote: “yeah, we have…… same small cult of the fringe from mostly the same regions of the country,
that bark loud enough to get on TV”
Well for a ‘small cult of the fringe’ they’ve certainly altered Obama’s entire political reality, and are showing up as the majority in more and more polls. Pretty powerful ‘fringe,’ tex…pretty powerful ‘fringe.’

Goodbye choice, options, competition and get ready for govt controlled drug lists, prices and costs of their prescriptions to go sky high.
Posted by: Suzanne
another hilarious lie………….

I hope that all of us that are off at Pelosi, Reid, & Co work hard to kick them out of Congress next year. Pelosi has a very safe seat in San Francisco, but Reid is very vulnerable. Nothing would please me more than to see Reid out of work and Pelosi get the smallest office in Congress.

So if Embalmacare is so great, why not implement it RIGHT AWAY? Why wait until post 2012?
Ahhhhhhhhhhh I know, because it is a disaster just as the CBO and every analysis says it is and because they want to boast that they “passed” something even though it’s total crap.
It was Obama and his evil Czars who put the SCARE in OBAMACARE.
We have a simple agenda: We only want the very best, non-rationed, most cutting edge, highest cure rate, most compassionate health care for every American CITIZEN at an affordable rate.
We can never get there with Embalmacare.
The commies/socialists just screw up health care so they can ostensibly “fix” it whilst grabbing wealth and power for themselves. They must GO.
We want the best, we are Americans, we will not settle.
The way to get there? Simple! Tort reform and opening up insurance competition to the brutal market, which will drive costs down exponentially. FURTHER we can insure each and every single low income American and still, this will cost a teensy tiny fraction of the disaster that is Obamacare. AND it will preserve the cutting edge medicine America counts on.
Americans will not settle for Obamacrapcare, the Demarxists know it… that’s why they’ve postponed its implementation until they’ve grabbed their power and money and asserted their permanent power.

Hope all the Bushies are investigated and tried for their many crimes and treasonous acts against america

tex
“after health care reform passes…. what will they say…..”
They’ll be saying get out of my way as they push to the front of the line to sign up.

tex,
My skills, education and work ethic have more to do with my wage than anything else.
I put myself through school without the governent’s help, and I negotiated a wage with my employer. No government envolved.
When I was self employed, I was responsible for my wage, no government involved.
I know it’s horrible for you libs to hear that people can actually make a good life for themselves without the government’s help!

Why is there such a sense of urgency to ram a health bill, apparently any Health Bill, through? I don’t disagree that Health Care needs to be looked at and tweaked but an overhaul that is being written up on the fly has me deeply concerned that its motivations are not to help our citizens. This whole exercise smells so much of pure politics. I would ask our political leaders to square away the nations finances first then look to creating new government funded programs…Our nations debt keeps climbing and Reid, Pelosi and Obama keep thinking of more ways to doom our nations future….

Hey julieterra – just for fun, here ya go! Some analysis of your ‘thoughts’ so far expressed from somebody whose only indication of the ability to care less is the presence of this response post:
“I am pointing…DEMONIZE the Democrats….”
And an objective evaluation of your efforts towards that stated goal would find you coming up short, with your avowed main theme/point ill expressed – if at all – based on posts so far on this thread. Appreciate the heads-up on your meaning, and it may well be a valid point. So? Has nothing to do with whether or not certain legislation relating to healthcare might or might not be economically feasible and/or “a good idea” at the present time.
“Pretty much all the extremist right wing has going is fear, smear and name calling.”
Possibly. Again totally unrelated to whether or not certain ideas in healthcare legislation might be viable.
“That’s all they had before the election, it’s all they have now.”
Thanks for your opinion, again not relevant to the debate. One can certainly understand how you might feel that way, although one might not agree with your opinions, naturally. So, y’know, thanks for the free expression, I guess?
“You Republicans were voted out of office. You had your chances and you blew them.”
Wow. So to you the future of our nation, the overall well-being of all that holds us together beyond a few miles (or hundreds of miles) from our front doors – that is all and only about whether or not you self-identify as or with a particular political party? Whether it can be legitimately paid for isn’t a concern to you at all? Honest debate about the best way to mortgage the future of the citizenry is forbidden? Shoot, if your only point is that Democrats are being demonized and that Republicans are not themselves innocent or blameless in all of this mess, that’s granted – nobody but NOBODY disagrees with that – nobody of consequence, as far as I’ve been able to see. Can we consider that point made and maybe move on to whether or not any of this pending legislation makes any sense, and perhaps use history and reason as our guides as we explore options and alternatives?
Please show us you’re not really that shallow; it’s the future of ourselves and our children and grandchildren we’re intent on ensuring is secured – isn’t that a motivation upon which we can agree?
(I must admit, I’m interested in what response this will bring, if any. Not enough to visit the thread/story again, but still…)

As a left-winger, all I can tell them is there better be a public option in any bill. If there isn’t don’t vote for it, or I will personally do what I can to make sure the Dem leaders and holdouts do not get re-elected next year.

These people are moronic. Um, we don’t really know what exactly is going to end up being in the bill, but we are confident we have the votes to pass it. Business as usual for Congress. We don’t really care if it is good or bad for the country, just as long as we can destroy the current system, and sign our names to something so we can pat ourselves on the back. Dems and Rep’s alike need to be thrown out on their ear. We need to get back to government by the people.

“Please show us you’re not really that shallow”
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The main tactic of the fanatical right on this blog is juvenile name calling of Obama or Pelosi or whoever.
That is quickly followed by fear mongering, and smear tactics.
You don’t have to believe me – just take a look.
I encourage everyone to take a look through the filth that’s been posted here – or hang around for a bit. It won’t belong before you’ll notice lots of it.

tex said in response to my comment “when I was self employed”.
“I am self employed right now…….and have been for over 25 years….”
Someone give him a medal!

I put myself through school without the governent’s help, and I negotiated a wage with my employer. No government envolved.
When I was self employed, I was responsible for my wage, no government involved.
I know it’s horrible for you libs to hear that people can actually make a good life for themselves without the government’s help!
Posted by: RightWingInc | Sep 9, 2009 12:49:53 AM
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Oh please. I put myself through college and am self-employed too. But you miss the point. Read some history.

Which Deregulation? The one Clinton signed in 1999?
Remember DeRegulation and Free Market Enterprise? A few Dollers is NEVER enough for greedy fat-cat Republicans who have caused the Biggest Financial Mess this Country has ever seen. More, More, MORE… and Lies, Lies, LIES. It’s over!!! Let The Dems do there thing because you have PROVEN you cant be trusted. I dont care how mad i get…..i REFUSE to rush back to REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: RightWingInc
you took such pains to marvel at your own work status and imply that ‘I know it’s horrible for you libs to hear that people can actually make a good life for themselves without the government’s help!
just wanted to let you know, that you are wrong, I know that’s a hard concept for the self absorbed right……
but if giving me a medal is the only way you can acknowledge your errors… I accept

julieterra wrote: “The main tactic of the fanatical right on this blog is juvenile name calling of Obama or Pelosi or whoever.
That is quickly followed by fear mongering, and smear tactics.
You don’t have to believe me – just take a look.
I encourage everyone to take a look through the filth that’s been posted here – or hang around for a bit. It won’t belong before you’ll notice lots of it.”
Look who’s talking, Julie! You’ve been doing little other than all of that, for half the evening now. I gotta go work…don’t you have a job, too?
btw has it ever occurred to you that just maybe YOU are part of the fanatical LEFT? Or do you think there’s no such thing as a left-winger, and that you’re somehow normal but that all others who disagree with you are not?
Actually, I won’t even see your replies because as I said…I need to go work. But, come on. You’re a LEFT-winger, just as surely as some of these other people are RIGHT-wingers. There’s two wings on every bird, you know.

Left wingers who believe in a public option are un-American and should be thrown out of the country. What do you think money falls off of trees? You truly believe you have the right to take from one group of citizens and give to another? This is counter to every belief that this country was founded on. True compassion comes from the heart not the barrel of a gun. Your false compassion involves sending the government to my door to take from me? This is how revolutions start. If you are truly compassionate donate to a charity and be giving with your own money as conservatives are. If you look at how much Cheney has given to charities vs. Gore we see who the truly compassionate person is and it is not Gore. I give of my time and money on my own free will and show compassion from the heart, something you libs need to learn how to practice if you truly desire to show a spirit of true Americanism.

You’re a LEFT-winger, just as surely as some of these other people are RIGHT-wingers. There’s two wings on every bird, you know.
Posted by: Bye-bye
yeah…. but julie doesn’t bring guns with her to shoot the birds as right wingers do….

What a load o bull. If they really had the votes then they would have called for the vote.
We’d be reading about how the house and senate passed their bills.

Who are these morons who are blaming the republicans for the fiscal crisis that just might bring us to our knees? I’ll go so far to blame both parties but Barney Frank and Chris Dodd played extremely destructive roles in moving our economy into a housing crisis. They (especially Barney) ignored the regulators’ warnings of a housing bubble crisis and encouraged sub-prime loans. I wonder if he decided that if there was a bubble, that Bush would be be blamed as he ‘helped’ the poor obtain easy money loans?

True compassion comes from the heart not the barrel of a gun.
Posted by: Andrew
so why do so many rightists show up with guns at political events…. maybe I just don’t understand gun ‘compassion’
re ‘show a spirit of true Americanism.’
every one ‘knows’ only republicans are ‘true’ americans

What a joke the whole A.B.C. ,News Outfit, and the Blogs There in THE TANK for this IDEOT OBAMA an HIS CROOKS. The record speakes for it’s SELF. Why even come here. A.B.C.they don’t get the story wrong they just don’t report it at all. The Van Jones stepping down Story is a good example.
I REST MY CASE

Left wingers who believe in a public option are un-American and should be thrown out of the country.
Posted by: Andrew | Sep 9, 2009 1:10:25 AM
I have a better idea. Why don’t you go Galt, move to Texas and secede– because you know THAT would be pro-America. You could start a laissez faire, tax-free, pro-torture mystical magical free market utopian world with Cheney.

Because our founding fathers and a majority of us,
Posted by: Steve Pieters
do you want to own slaves like many of the ‘founding fathers?

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In other words, Damn our own constituants who are strongly opposed to what we’re going to vote for.
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“this IDEOT OBAMA an HIS CROOKS.”
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More name calling and smear.

Feeling a bit proud of accomplishments is good sometimes..I’m glad that people like you and I can make it without the government’s help. aren’t you?
Posted by: RightWingInc
yes, we agree being proud of one’s accomplishments is a natural thing..
but…… when the time comes, I will not refuse government’s help via social security or medicare…
will you?

Health care is coming now that thr public is starting to relize all the lies and misinformatiom that the Repubs created.The public plan is going to be there one way or another and soon.

It always amazes me how people can be such political pawns. Logic doesn’t matter. Right or wrong don’t matter. The constitution doesn’t matter. Its all about the political party. “They may be crooks, but their OUR crooks so lets defend them.” The differences between Democrats and Republicans are so infinitesimal that it makes all this finger pointing between the two a joke. BOTH parties want to take a dump on our freedoms & constitution. BOTH parties want to tax and spend. BOTH parties want the government to own you. Its all a shell game folks. Wake up.

The numbers reflect more than simple disappointment in the new President’s lackluster performance. They are a symbol of the American people flipping the proverbial finger to not only Washington, but to Hollywood and the good old boys heading up the entertainment industry’s establishment. Americans are saying “Hey Natalie Portman, Lorne Michaels, Green Day and Sean Penn… We’re not listening to you anymore. Stuff it high and hard you toolbags!”

No, Tex. I won’t refuse either social security or medicare. The main reason I won’t is because I have been supporting both program through generous withholdings from my paychecks. I, for one, am not the least bit enthused by the thought of more payroll taxes to fund federal programs, which (as in the case of SS and Medicare) most likely will be bankrupt long before I am eligible to collect a dime.
All I, and most Americans, want is for the federal government to stay out of my pocket and as far out of my life as possible.

There will be NO economic recovery without job creation in the private sector. The Democrats have failed miserably on this point. There will be NO viable public health policy without a tax base. The stimulus package created NO private sector jobs. They have sustained state and federal jobs that are in jeopardy because of a falling income tax base and property tax base. A lose of jobs means a lose of income tax. A drop in real estate value means in a drop in property taxes. The Democrat and Obama policy is unsustainable and the figures speak for themselves… 9.7% unemployment, record foreclosures, devaluation of the dollar, a record deficit, increased costs for less municipal services and the list goes on! So what good have they done? Oh yes, they increased the minimum wage. What a joke they are.

The People tell Congress what to do not the other way around. We have let Congress too much free rein. We pulling the reins.
Health care needs reform. And there has been numerous very good plans but the special interests on each side of the aisle stop it.

julieterra I certainly keep up on current events and I have never seen a gun at a political event and I have attended plenty. I have seen plenty of average, working Americans of many colors and ages (especially gray haired) trying to ask legitamate questions at town hall meetings and being dismissed by democrats as “Right Wingers”. Again, I think you libs need to get out more and experience the real world.

If this lot wants revolution, they’ll get it if they pass this monstrosity of bill.

I tell ya what. I shouldn’t have to support you brats going to govt. schools. To do that would be socialism by the ‘Rights’ nutty standards. I instead choose to put my money in govt. health care. is that ok, wingnuts? Let Freedom Ring!

sounds like he has declared war on the American people!

Your all FIRED!
Reason – Failure to uphold the oath of office of an elected official.
Fired=0 unemployment/0=health benifits
Get out! Take your embarrassing rear end back to the state you came from, maybe walmart will hire you…

“I certainly keep up on current events and I have never seen a gun at a political event”
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If you haven’t seen a gun at a political rally, you haven’t kept up with current events in any competent way.

The Democrats have failed miserably on this point.
Posted by: Charlene
if you mean they haven’t fixed everything in 9 months…… that’s sort of true…..
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Oh! What do you mean? The Democrats should have fixed the mess left by the last administration in . . . two months! No more!
They should have had the whole world economic meltdown fixed in . . .. 3 months tops.

Many people don’t know how the medicare system is funded by each taxpayer. A taxpayer pays for it with every paycheck, but when you are 65 and begin to get benefits, every social security check has about 90 dollars withheld for the monthly medicare premium. The amount withheld each month is subject to increase each year and generally is equivalent to the cost of living increase each year. Medicare is not welfare! It has been well paid for by retirees and workers. The EXCESS has been syphoned off each year and SPENT by the congressional porkers for over 40 years.

The Largest deficit in the history of the United States and the One World Government that President Obama speaks of will surly be the end of the United States as we now know it. However it might not be too late to reclaim the freedoms that have been destroyed in the last ten years and we will find that out in 2010 and 2012. If everyone of our elected representatives that votes for any deficit spending is voted out of office we might be able to show these corrupt politicians that we are united and that the power belongs to WE THE PEOPLE not some lobbyist from an insurance company, HMO or some drug company that is stuffing their pockets full of money. The past generations of United States citizens have worked for and died for the freedoms which you and I have taken for granted and if we allow our elected representatives to sell this great nation to the socialist movement which is now at our door step we have no one to blame but our selves.

I think Senator Chuck Schumer said it best “The American People don’t care”. That’s the attitude that got us where we are and kept them in power. YES kept them in power. From the biggest intelligence failure our country has seen 9/11 to the worst economic disaster since the great depression and STILL we are listening to Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Kerry, Dodd, Feinstein, Boxer, Durbin, Lieberman, Harkin, Spector, Feingold and on and on and yes the Republicans too as in McCain, Graham, Lugar and Gregg and thats only the Senate. WHAT CHANGE??? Failed leaders, Failed policy, FAILED STATE. We Don’t care we keep voting them in!!!

Kam, so do you want to get ride of medicare? Doesn’t that means you want to “pull the plug on grandma”? Look, who is talking!

If they want Revoltion they are about to get it. People will take to the streets to protest this Socialism.
Illegals have to go, you want to pay for it? Bankrupcy, distruction, America gone. Wake up!

I agree with you Otto.
I think Jesus (pbuh) was an insurance company CEO. That’s why the so called right-wing is fighting so hard for the insurance company. What else there can be?

How sad that the government has railroaded the taxpayers into yet another fiasco. What happened to the stimulus money? Nobody knows. What will happen to the trillion plus that we’ll be forced to fork over? Nobody knows. Obama says cheerfully that “we’re out of money” yet he triples the debt as the printing presses wildly spin. Government health care will help seal our coffin.

“Under obama’s plan, grandma will not even get the option to be put on the machine.”
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The return of “kill gradma”, gosh those Democrats are just so darned EVIL.

Why do the Right-wing hate when government want to do something for the people? Whatever happened to “government of the people, by the people, for the people”? I know that Sarah the dumber skipped some history lesson, but did all of them do so?

julieterra writes: That’s what happens when a President lowers taxes, doubles the national debt and departs office with the economy in free-fall collapse and losing 700,000 jobs per month.
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Now time for truth and reality. On January 7th of 2007, when the dims took over congress and senate, the Dow Jones closed at almost 14,000, the GDP was rising at 3.5 percent, and the unemployment rate was steady at 4.5 percent. As of today 9/8/09, the Dow Jones closed under 10,000, the GDP growth is negative 1.02, and the unemployment is 9.7 percent because the dims have fixed everything. The president is not responsible for these statistics, the congress is. Do thank pelosi and reid when you drink kool-aid with them.

Does anyone even care that Congress has opted itself out of Obama care? Why is that, you morons?
Because it is crap! They will foist it on us though. Damn them all. Lock and load AMERICANS!

I have awoken into an America I do not recognize. All of it’s leaders are insane. What is this madness that has possessed everyone? Look at Pelosi’s eyes and tell me we aren’t living in the Twilight Zone. Up is down, down is up. Congrats, libs. You’re killing the country – but WHY???

Interesting how the brain dead political hacks both on the right and the left want to bring up the past, speak their braindead political propaganda, and banter endlessly. What good is being a liberal or conservative when your country is in ruins?? Such shortsided foolishness. Debt is debt, and we are reaching the limits of what we can borrow, and we are reaching a moment in history where an economic collapse seems more and more likely, and it is sheer follie to believe it can not happen.

With so much passionate opposition to this bill it would be unwise for this administration to force it on the American people. This needs to be worked out in a bipartisan manner or there will be riots you watch. I do not wish to see this take place but it’s a no brainer.

“we are reaching the limits of what we can borrow, and we are reaching a moment in history where an economic collapse seems more and more likely”
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The gross consumer society of the past built on credit is finished. That’s why its good to have someone with at least half a brain at the helm. The Obama’s didn’t put in a garden for nothing, they aren’t moving towards more local, fuel efficient approaches for nothing.
There are more than economic debts to be concerned about.

Here’s a good “truth” from this adminstration…..
If we don’t pass this $787billion stimulas immediately then umemployment will go to 8 %.
Um, it’s 9.7% since it’s passed and no one knows where ‘exactly’ the money went or how it was spent!
When are Americans going to WAKE up a realize IT’S THIS PRESIDENT & CZARS intent to RUIN AMERICA. That’s what enemies of the US do to destory Her….from the INSIDE!!

“Why do the Right-wing hate when government want to do something for the people? Whatever happened to “government of the people, by the people, for the people”? I know that Sarah the dumber skipped some history lesson, but did all of them do so?”
Because this isn’t government’s job, they have taken a distorted and disastrous view of “promote the general Welfare” to an extreme which will no longer “insure domestic Tranquility” or “and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”.
Over the last 200 years the government has slowly become everything the revolutionists fought against. By taking larger and larger roles in our lives, the government has become the a political power base to shape the country in favor of the wealthy and elite. The laws passed for the most part help no one. All they do is shift money into the hands of political friends and allies to secure power.
Anyone who thinks this government has been “for the people” over the last 80 years is sorely mistaken.
This government, OUR government, is currently an entity that exists solely to secure as much power as it can. The more power you give the government, the more freedoms you lose. It’s happened in the past, it will happen in the future.
Once the government is in the health care business it will lead to a downward spiral of bureaucracy and control. When the government determines that anything might pose a health risk, you’ll see a new “health tax” to help pay for it. It will start with a “soda tax”. Then a “Sodium Tax”, a “Sugar” tax, a “Saturated Fat” tax. It will eventually follow that ANYTHING that can cause harm or injury will receive a tax: an “IPOD hearing loss” tax, a “Television Eyesight loss” tax, a new “Smoking Cancer” tax, a new “Alcohol Cirrhosis” tax.
It will go on and on and on. This will lead to only 2 possible outcomes. Elected Oppression or Outright Revolution.
Do not give the government more control than ABSOLUTELY necessary, and universal health care is not ABSOLUTELY necessary. If you want to bring down the cost of health care, reform tort law and eliminate frivolous medical lawsuits. Giving government control will only lead to misery and pain.
Remember:
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin ~February 1775

Facts? The people don’t want the facts, they can’t handle them! And don’t give them any solutions either because they are unwillling to make the necessary sacrifices.. The people are only interested in free stuff that our politicians give away. The people are unwilling to sacrifice anything.. They real just want free stuff and they don’t care about the long term effects of these freebies.

What is, ‘something like a public option’?
Is that like “almost pregnant?”
It might be better if someone wrote “Health Care Reform Bill” on the top of a sheet of paper and signature blanks at the bottom. That is about the only way I see a bill passing.

I could support medical care reform if it meant that I was going to get the same coverage that Congress gets.
But those dim hypocrits will have no such thing.

CBO:
I think this is different. We will not take this lying down. The Communists have taken over and the country cannot ignore that. It’s our fault it happened, and we have to make it right now. We have to undo what we allowed to take place. We no longer forget, we no longer look the other way, we no longer will tolerate blatant Communists in our midst.

“The Communists have taken over and the country cannot ignore that”
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More name calling, smear tactics and fear mongering.

Kam and other folks,
I will tell you a funny story. In 2008 election debates, I found one thing very funny. Here you in McCain-Palin ticket, two zero government involvement proponents are both went to `public` school/university. One the other side in Obama-Biden ticket, these two big government proponents both went to top private university. Don’t you find it hilarious?

Go ahead – pass it – and you’ll be out in 2010 or 2012.

“One the other side in Obama-Biden ticket, these two big government proponents both went to top private university.”
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So are we to believe that you aro pro elitism or just recognizing the effects of affimative action?

`62 percent of American bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. These medical bankruptcies had increased nearly 50 percent in just six years. Astonishingly, 78 percent of these people actually had health insurance, but the gaps and inadequacies left them unprotected when they were hit by devastating bills.`
We must CHANGE this. We must reform healthcare.

A majority of the American people are against this. Many many Americans across the country are BEGGING these elected crooks and criminals to listen to them, but they will NOT do it. The only thing that matters to these crooks is their own well-being, and now that they see the writing on the wall for their own ballot box demise in 2010 and beyond, they have nothing left to lose and will damn well go against the American people for their own benefit and for the usual homes and enormous payments that they have held in trust or escrow for them by their special interests for “taking care of business” until they leave office. Today the typical Congressperson or Senator treats their term like that old TV show “Supermarket Sweep” – the minute each one of their terms begins, it;s like a bell going off with a clock that counts down the days until they may have to leave office or be voted out, so FROM DAY ONE their filthy paws are up on the highest shelves and into the deepest pockets for a volume of dirty dealing and corruption that simply can’t be quenched. They’re insatiable and members of both parties make sure that the American people are kept occupied by pointing the party preference fingers back and forward at each other’s side while these criminals rape the dickens out of eveyone while laughing themselves and their families all the way to financial heaven. No matter what party you prefer, phone your Senators and Congresspeople and demand that these people stop this! Reid, Pelosi, the whole lot of them are so incontrovertibly crooked that they should ALL be behind bars. Stand up and demand that you be listened to or continue to be raped of your savings and your freedom, along with your families.

“We must CHANGE this. We must reform healthcare.”
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Babu, we agree. We just do not believe that means the government taking over medical care in our nation.

“For 12 years, Obama served as a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.”

I think I am most frustrated by the word “Quickly”. I believe that means before we “the people” can have a thorough review. I think if we need a health plan better analysis done on the front end will make a better plan! Unfortunately, we cant rely on government to do a proper analysis so let the people see a draft before a vote. Isnt that transparency. I am still not clear how this health care reform saves us money.

There is quite an honorable tradition in England and in America of the people rising up against injustice at the hands of the government. If necessary, the people of America WILL rise up and let the world know that we say NO to Communism. Period. Massive demonstrations would be the start; who knows what might come next. We might even see other freedom-loving people come to our aid.
One thing to keep in mind: God does not stop us from experiencing the consequences of our own sin. We as a nation sinned because we saw over the last 40-50 years that the Communists and socialists were making inroads into our institutions, and we didn’t do anything much about it. We didn’t feel in real danger. We didn’t jump out of the pot each time the water went up a degree. That is OUR fault. And God will not necessarily come to our assistance. Now He may well have pity on us if we repent and confess our sins of neglect of the protection of our freedoms, but those are the only terms under which I believe God will help us.
If we accept moral responsibility to what has occurred, yes, I believe prayer can move God to assist us. But without recognizing that WE are at fault, God laughs at us, not out of cruelty, but out of love, for He knows that until we come to our senses about our own responsibility in what is happening, any help He gives will be mistaken for His approval of our past negligence.
I’m quite sure none of us who are the Baby Boomer generation every thought that we’d face a “real” Communist takeover. We lured ourselves into the believe that there were leftists who’d only be a small part of the society. We were so wrong. While we looked the other way, they took over the schools and have thus produced two, maybe three, generations of Americans who cannot think critically, who know virtually nothing about the principles of our country, and who are enamored of vile amusements, sexual depravity, and godlessness. They were easy prey for the evil ones.

“For 12 years, Obama served as a professor of constitutional law….”
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Julieterra, this was during the time that he was sitting in the pews of his “father figure-mentor” the hateful racist rev. Wright. Did he pay as much attention to his teaching as he did to the Reverand’s teachings?

Eric, BO must pass it quickly or else other information like the money deals he made with pharmacy companies to get their support will come to light. The money recipients in his administration are still managing to keep this low key, while the koolaid syncophants ramble on with the hog swill and talking points they’ve been fed. This administration has already been objectively evaluated as the most deceptive, closed, and non-transparent administration in the history of the US. It’s the old “watch my hand” while BO steals us blind with his other.

I hope the bill gets delayed longer. The more time that passes the more Democrats are falling out of line with Comrade Pelosi.

tanarg, kudos and well written. I must interject one consideration. We must prevent BO from establishing his civilian militia (as strong and well funded as our military). It is with this militia that BO will destroy the second amendment, and establish a Facist government with him and his ilk (not the dim voters, they are just the fodder for BO to firmly plant his boot on free soil). As has been written, there are none so blind as those who will not see what is in front of them.

Babu wrote:
`62 percent of American bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. These medical bankruptcies had increased nearly 50 percent in just six years. Astonishingly, 78 percent of these people actually had health insurance, but the gaps and inadequacies left them unprotected when they were hit by devastating bills.`
We must CHANGE this. We must reform healthcare.
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Fine. Good. Wonderful. Just no government takeover. Conservatives want the abuses stopped, too, just as you do!!! Just no government takeover. Got it?

Tanarg,
“There is quite an honorable tradition in England and in America of the people rising up against injustice at the hands of the government.”
Sounds like cool. Wait, did you say England? You mean the `communist` England who has `socialized medicine`. Did your Foxy Noise fail to give you that information?

“We must prevent BO from establishing his civilian militia (as strong and well funded as our military).”
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You should read Obama’s comments in context.
He was talking about international relations and how it would be important to make sure all of our diplomatic positions were properly filled, how student exchanges should go ahead and the how the Peace Corp should be enlarged, he said that this ‘civilian militia’ for diplomacy should be just as strong and as well funded as the military.
This was taken out of context by the right wing, and then flogged endlessy.
You ought do some research, instead of just spouting the nonsense someone else has written.
The lies and the smears from the right are appalling.

For the conservative folks,
Why do you hate the working class? Why do you hate the needy people? Why do you hate those less fortunate one among us? Do you ever read a book called Bible? Did you ever hear of someone named Jesus?
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [Matthew 19:19]
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” [Matthew 19:21]
Did your Foxy Noise ever tell you this?
`62 percent of American bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. These medical bankruptcies had increased nearly 50 percent in just six years. Astonishingly, 78 percent of these people actually had health insurance, but the gaps and inadequacies left them unprotected when they were hit by devastating bills.`
We must CHANGE the status-quo. We must REFORM healthcare.
`No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick.`
We must CHANGE the status-quo. We must reform healthcare.
Has UK became a `socialist` `communist` country with `socialized` healthcare because of their government run healthcare? What you say about New Zealand or Canada?
STOP listening to nut people and support a PUBLIC OPTION.

For those who believe healthcare shouldn’t be reformed, let me ask you: Have you ever been to the hospital and taken a look at the itemized bill? The last time I went to urgent care my insurance was billed $25 for a bandaid. A bandaid!!! You can buy a box of 25 for less than a buck but if you buy one at a hospital each one will cost you $25!!! It stands to reason that this type of ludicrous overpricing of goods and services cause healthcare to be expensive for most people and completely unaffordable for many. Think about it…$25 for a bandaid. It’s a good thing I didn’t need an aspirin…who knows what that would have cost!

For those of you who are now using scripture to justify health care reform, I say ok, just include the scripture about LIFE, and how abortion does not go along with it. Romans 8:29, Exodus 20:13, and many people use Matthew 25:40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ to justify healthcare for all and I applaud this, but who can be more helpless and the “least of these” than an unborn child. I am a conservative who supports healthcare reform, ending abortion and the death penalty as well, we must be consistent. It is all about love and no one has love you or I more than Jesus.

cobraman2001,
Go to hear that. It is okay if you don’t prefer the `public option`. Tell me how you can change the status-quo and reform healthcare. Don’t just say crazy stuff about govt involvement.

I’m Canadian, and any Amaerican who wants to switch to a Canadian-style government run health care system, needs to get a private health insurance that provides gold-plated psychiatric care. PLEASE don’t do it!!! Because then we Canadians will have nowhere to go when our crappy system tells us to wait 3 months to see a specialist, or 6 months for an MRI or 18 months for hip replacement surgery, etc.

Political suicide for Reid and Pelosi, wheeeee, yeah.

Reid and Pelosi jamming another piece of deficit damage through congress without reading it completely, without serious consideration or understanding personal liberties we must give up in exchange for it, and without accepting the coverage for themselves to set an example.
do as i say not as i do…
isn’t that the way dysfunctional parent treat their kids?
these people are criminals stealing and failing their way upward for decades.
America, wake up and see the multi term foxes in their sheep’s clothing!!!

The only reform our health care and insurance need is TORT REFORM! LOSER MUST PAY! That will knock off one trillion dollars from the total cost of $3 trillion. Malpractice insurance rates cut down to 1/5 of what it is now; unnecessary defensive medicine tests cut down to 1/5 of what they are now. But of course the trial lawyers have the Democrats in their pockets. You say government? Post Office-bankrupt; Amtrak – bankrupt; Social Security – bankrupt; Medicare – bankrupt; Medicaid – bankrupt; shall I continue?

political suicide for reid maybe, pelosi is safe as a kitten in her district.

Julieterra – what is the name of the so-called “report” that states that the Obama health plan is less than the Bush administration tax cuts? You probably got that info from MoveOn.. There are 2 sides to every issue, and even though I’m not a big fan of either the democrats or the republicans, that info you supplied smells very fishy….

IF THE OBJECT IS TO GET RID OF THE LEFTIST FREAKS IN WASHINGTON, THEN UNFORTUNATELY, PASSING A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE BILL IS THE IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT.

How can they say they have enough votes on something that they haven’t finished? They aren’t sure what the final product is going to be but they’ll vote for it? And they call themselves leaders? How about a waste…

Babu,
I never said to get rid of lawsuit. No doctor will ever perform a surgery and say that everything will turn out perfect. Yet in our society if someone goes in for say knee surgery and they blow out their knee again doing exactly what caused the first knee surgery they want they file a lawsuit. People need to take responsible for what they have caused and not blame someone else.
Doctors need to be held responsible for their actions but they also need to be protected from frivolous lawsuits.

julieterra says “Some people will find it a lot better than nothing.
How much does it cost to treat uninsured patients through emergency wards?”
The answer is about 1/3 of the cost of Obama’s plan. So doing nothing is cheaper than what they have in mind.

“The answer is about 1/3 of the cost of Obama’s plan. So doing nothing is cheaper than what they have in mind.”
yeah, but that doesn’t address a whole range of other things including spirally insurance payments

“What has the government ever run that works??”
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Well, if there is a public option, it will be in competition with insurance companies – so if its run so poorly, it will fail and insuance companies will win

THis short story tells a lot more than most. “we have teh votes” ….. but you have NO BILL , there are three bills proposals from the democrats alone. Despite {Pelosi’s lies there are two republican proposals which have been shifted and hidden in council … and none of these proposals are good ideas …. and you have NO PUBLIC SUPPORT!!!!
This has become a far far cry from “can we pass a healthcare reform?”. it has become “should we pass THIS healthcare reform?”. and the answer is a loud majority NO.

Tort reform has passed in most states. The effect is pretty minimal. And efforts to pass a Federal law would mostly just reinforce most of the new state tort laws (most of which are tried in state court anyway).
There are two dirty little secrets in the med-mal world – one for the left and one for the right. First, settlements often have nothing to do with actual medical malpractice. Many cases are based on Johnny developing a learning disability at age 13 and some study saying it’s a 10% chance of a problem with his delivery as a baby. Thus, there really are frivolous lawsuits.
But there’s another dirty secret. Even as limits to settlements have been put in place in states like Texas, med-mal premiums have continued to go up. Why? Because most med-mal insurance companies are doctor-owned rackets that lost money in the stock market and need to recoup their funds.
So we have a legal system that pays out settlements for non-damages, and an insurance system that charges for non-claims.
We need tort reform – but it has to address the med-mal insurance companies as much as it needs to hit the plaintiffs bar.

One thing about government ‘health’ care: no matter how bad it is, it will destroy private health care because the legislation requires that any change in one’s private health care (adding another child, a dime’s increase in the co-pay) will automatically cancel the private health care and automatically enroll the person in the government’s program.
Have these loonylefty posters already forgotten about Mrs. Wagner? The woman who was enrolled in Oregon’s government healthcare system? The woman whose doctor prescribed a drug treatment for her cancer? The woman who was denied that drug treatment because it was too expensive? The woman to whom Oregon offered pain pills or euthanasia? And the pharmaceutical company who provided those drugs FREE when they learned of the situation?
I’d much rather have my fate in the hands of my own self and in the generosity of others than in the bean-counters at some commissar’s office.
NO to obamacare!!!!!!!!!!!!

Julieterra said–I bet you it would be pretty safe to say there have been many more failures in private business than in government endeavours.
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Yeah, but the real measure for government is to count its successes, which are far behind private business.

Talk about the ultimate example of putting Party before Country. Quick…we have the votes….let’s pass this thing so we can look live we’ve actually accomplished something. What’s in this bill….who cares! We in Congress are exempt from it anyways. It’s only the little people who have to deal with the consequences. Oh and also, don’t tell them how THEY are going to be paying for this boondoggle.
The democrats have proven to the People that a) they are completely inept b) they have contempt for the Constitution and c) they do not care about the will of the People. It’s time for them to go. 2010 and 2012 should see the great purging of these socialists.

Can 2010 and 2012 get here fast enough?!?! More importantly, will we still exist as a nation after these clowns are done screwing it all up?!?

It terrifies me to think I will be forced to pay more of my money (in Taxes…for those who think that “tax refund” is a gift from the great Federal Gods) to Nancy and Harry in order to pay for healthcare for some of the people who comment here; regardless of how entertaining.
How did ANY of this even become a mandate for the Feds?
The Feds are supposed to make sure we are not invaded, and that everyone respects each others Right to the PURSUIT of Happiness…not pay for your Food, Housing, and Healthcare during that Pursuit.
I guess they justify it under “Promote the General Welfare?”…our poor Forefathers…. if they had only included a Glossary for those with limited reading comprehension and interpretation skills (politicians).

OLD PEOPLE FEAR OBAMA!! END OF LIFE COUNSELING IS REALLY END OF LIFE CARE. THE OLD ARE THE ONES WHO WILL SUFFER UNDER OBAMA COMMIE CARE. YOUR CURRENT MEDICARE WILL BE CUT TO PAY FOR THE YOUNG, ILLEGAL’S, AND OTHER PERSONS JUDGED TO BE OF MORE VALUE TO SOCIETY THAN YOU. YOU OLDIES KEEP VOTING DEMOCRATE AND YOU WILL DIE MUCH YOUNGER.

I bet you it would be pretty safe to say there have been many more failures in private business than in government endeavours.
Posted by: julieterra | Sep 9, 2009 6:46:43 AM
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Name ONE government run program that is not in debt or doesn’t regularly run in the red. You just don’t get it, do you! Government programs don’t have to meet budgets, because congress just hands them more of our money when they they’re in debt! Private companies can’t do that…..they have to go bankrupt or fold. The Dems want to model a new public option after Medicare. Medicare runs almost $100 billion a year in unrecovered FRAUD and it is now $38 TRILLION dollars in debt with unfunded mandates. That means that they have already committed to paying out $38 TRILLION dollars to future participants that they don’t have a way to fund! Anyone who believes that the government can do a good job of running a public health insurance option is an idiot. NOTHING they currently run could be called a fiscally successful program, and ALL of the programs that are supposed to pay for themselves are deeply in debt with no obvious way to recover.

For those people posting with ignorance of medical liability reform, I have made it easy for you, just read this link with references.
http://www.hcla.org/pdf/HCLAReportFINAL.pdf

These politicians have not read the bill promise ya. No bill should be 1000 pages long. Some people think the senior citizens in this country will be doomed if this is signed. Sad when you think the senior generation was a better generation than the one today is. What young people should realize is, once signed, the younger crowd will hurt even worse, tommorrow.
Vote eveyone out of office who signs this bill. Then vote everyone out of office who, uses the “not present” vote as well.
Americans are dumb for electing Obama, and worse re-electing the same criminal congress and house members year after year.

“These politicians have not read the bill promise ya.”
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You can bet that they, their researchers and their assistants have POURED over this bill . . . and at this point know it VERY well.

If the Dem healthcare plan passes as proposed, there will be tanks in the streets. Not what I want, just my prediction.

“What is the next cricis.”
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Don’t worry there will be no shortages of crisis’. To the right it’s a crisis every time Obama takes his kids of ice cream.
It’s a crisis if the first lady builds a garden.

The total blindness of liberals just astonishes me! Do you do NO reading in preperation for something this important to the country?! Do you not KNOW that this will cost America TRILLIONS of dollars when we could simply cover the Americans who CANNOT AFFORD health insurance. That’s about 5 million if you leave out the illegal aliens. 5 MILLION. But NO! We must ruin EVERYONE’s health insurance – even if you are satisfied with it. Pure idiocy! If this goes through, you will LOOSE your doctor and have waiting lines for tests. They better listen to the doctors before they do this!!!

” The Democrats believe in what they’re doing, and they’ve been hammering out those final bills. I think we’re going to get something excellent out of this – and I think the Democrats believe the same.”
Are you delusional: High ranking Democrats self-confessed that they do not understand the bills and they have not had time to read the documents. Even a Democrat Lawyer said he needed Lawyers to understand! At the same time THEY ARE READY TO VOTE WHATEVER PELOSI SAYS!
The only thing you will get out of the PUBLIC OPTION (instant or in installments) is BIG GOVERNMENT CONTROL
We need to tackle the real issues: we should find free market ways to lower the cost of Insurance and Healthcare. Big Government Control has NADA to offer…except more CONTROL for them.
Plain and simple: The idea of having us depending on them appeals to the Liberal Democrats: that is how they captured the vote those addicted to welfare. That is the END GAME.

They have the votes. But as one intrepid poster pointed out; They don’t have a Plan. Where’s the Plan. The House has one. The Senate has one. Does the Kenyan have one? Cause he keeps calling it ‘His’ Plan. But when he’s asked a specific question, he goes Deer in the headlights. “Um, uh, er, I’m not aware of that provision.” This is a DISASTER. Oregon, Massachusettes, we’ve tried this already. And these were on a SMALL level. And what did we find? That this is UNSUSTAINABLE. Somebody help me out with the math here. We’re in a DEBT HOLE that we’ll never get out of. The IDIOT IN CHIEF, our MARXIST Leader, is proposing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS for ‘GREEN ENERGY’. And you can tell how serious he is about it, by looking at the PUKE that he assigned to the job. The self professed COMMUNIST, and all around RACIST PIG, Van Jones. Anybody SEEN any Windmills? Anybody SEEN any Solar Panels? Instead of DRILLING for the VAST DEPOSITS that we have RIGHT HERE in OUR COUNTRY, he wants to do the OPPOSITE. He wants to DESTROY the OIL, GAS, and COAL Industries. Anybody seen the UNIONS? Does anybody READ anymore? In France, for every NEW GREEN JOB that was produced, TWO jobs were LOST. Anybody seen the UNIONS? So he’s gonna tax Carbon Emissions and stand on the shore and wave, as what’s left of our Manufacturing LEAVES.
He’s in the process of KILLING OFF GM, and CHRYSLER. The BANKS are STILL FAILING. The FORECLOSURES are STILL HAPPENING. We LOST another 200plus THOUSAND JOBS last Month, and he’s actually BRAGGING about that one. The DOLLAR is about to be replaced in the Global Marketplace, and the COMMUNIST RED CHINESE are LECTURING US on CAPITOLISM. And the EMPTY SUITS’ solution? Print Mo Money. Spend Mo Money. Raise taxes. KILL Industry. Strangle Small Business. ‘FREE’ HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYBODY. Why would he do all those things?
“And I saw the BEAST rise up from the sea. And he was given a MOUTH to speak haughty and blaspemous words. And he was allowed to exercise authority for forty two months.” Revelations 13-5. Sound familiar? He’s DELIBERATLY DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY. CUTTING our Nuclear Capabilities. Abandoning our MISSILE SHIELD PROGRAM. ATTACKING our INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. BURYING US IN DEBT, FOREVER. If YOU were the BEAST, which country would you want to destroy?

Julieterra,
The Democrats’ health care plan costs half as much as the two major tax cuts pushed by the George W. Bush administration, according to a report issued Tuesday.
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LMBO! Let me tell you something about “costs” of programs. Medicare costs 8.5 times what it was projected to cost today. The Medicare drug option, even though it is only a few years old, already costs twice what it was expected to cost. If you truly believe that a government health care program projected to cost $1 trillion dollars over 10 year is going to come in at that number, you are delusional. It will cost many times that in the end; they just don’t have any reliable way to calculate how much more! THOSE ARE FACTS!!

“Hey Julie, the “right wing fanatics” aren’t stopping your utopian socialized medicine. DEMOCRATS are. In case you didn’t notice, they have supermajorities in the House and Senate. The real CRISIS is in the imploding Democratic Party. Why is that, Julie? Hmmmm?”
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Democratic party looks poised to pass major health care reform Jenn. Mark it on your calendar. It’s coming …

“Nice ethical lot . ..”
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Almost as ethical as a president that did his best to prevent doctors from administering medical assistance on a baby who survived an abortion attempt. Good point, julie, THAT is much more ethical.
Savage.

Is healthcare provided by the federal government allowed under our Constitution? I haven’t read anywhere in the Constitution where this program is allowed.

“Democratic party looks poised to pass major health care reform Jenn. Mark it on your calendar. It’s coming …”
But Julie, Democrats continue to defect. Must be Bush’s fault. Or maybe Palin’s. Or maybe some other right winger that doesn’t have the power to stop Congress. LOL!

julieterra, mark your calendar for the conservative congressional sweep that’s coming in 2010. ;)

Go ahead, bulldoze it through even though a vast majority strongly oppose it. That will positively ensure the Dems will get voted out in the mid-term elections ending this socialist majority, thank God!

Hubris,
The President believes he is omniscient.
So did Alexander.
He is destroying the Democratic Party and the Country and he is blinded by his own mirror

Julie – keep posting and trying to convince yourself that government controlled and mandated health care will be passed. Then come see me – I have some swamp land to sell you.

Is healthcare provided by the federal government allowed under our Constitution? I haven’t read anywhere in the Constitution where this program is allowed.
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I haven’t read anywhere in the constitution where this program isn’t allowed.
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Exactly…so it is a power reserved for the states. Only powers enumerated in the Constitution designated for the Federal Government are allowed. But we haven’t let that stop us before!

Is healthcare provided by the federal government allowed under our Constitution? I haven’t read anywhere in the Constitution where this program is allowed.
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I haven’t read anywhere in the constitution where this program isn’t allowed.
Posted by: Code | Sep 9, 2009 7:50:33 AM
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Then you need to go back and read the Constitution “Code”. Specifically, Article 1, Section 8 “Powers of Congress”. The only provision that Congress may be able to cite as a basis in their continuing power grab is the power afforded “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;” Jurisprudence has been widening this power, and its time to rein it in. There will be a march in DC on 9.12 – be there and tell Congress and the President you have had enough of this!
Have you ever read the Constitution?

Congressman Bobby Scott of VA told Town Hall attendees that Article 1, section 8 gave them the right to pass the public option. Most progressives like to quote the line “….provide for the defense and “general Welfare” of the United States”. It makes me mad when they parse the Constitution.

If its so damn good, why does congress and federal workers have a separate system of retirement and health care? And why don’t we put this whole thing up to a popular vote, where the people of the Unites States say yes or no to it?

Is healthcare provided by the federal government allowed under our Constitution? I haven’t read anywhere in the Constitution where this program is allowed.
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I haven’t read anywhere in the constitution where this program isn’t allowed.
Posted by: Code | Sep 9, 2009 7:50:33 AM
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Then you need to go back and read the Constitution “Code”. Specifically, Article 1, Section 8 “Powers of Congress”. The only provision that Congress may be able to cite as a basis in their continuing power grab is the power afforded “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;” Jurisprudence has been widening this power, and its time to rein it in. There will be a march in DC on 9.12 – be there and tell Congress and the President you have had enough of this!
Have you ever read the Constitution?

“They have the votes. But as one intrepid poster pointed out; They don’t have a Plan.”
There are several Republican bills out there. They just don’t get coverage because there is no hope they will be passed. Basically the plan is for a non profit insurance company to be created covering those who have no insurance. Stripped down catastrophic health insurance for the young, or for who ever prefers that type of plan. Also allowing insurance to cross state lines. The last one is rather interesting, because it is the commerse clause in the Constitution that prevents this. Therefore it is not interstate commerse, so how is Obama’s plan constitutional?

Tort reform, from what I’ve read doctors pay $80,000+/yr for insurance.
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There are many,many more who pay upwards of $200,000 annually for malpractice ins. What many here and elsewhere fail to understand is ALL of these costs are born by the consumer. That’s ALL OF THE COSTS, not just some of them.
Those of you who are so intent on defending the lawyers who sue at the drop of a hat for some unprovable “pain and suffering you should be made aware of something. In the nations having National Health Care, lawsuits are strictly limited to ACTUAL damages and in many cases there are no cash damages paid at all. Instead if found to have performed a procedure which was incorrect or done badly, the physician must correct the problem or if that is not possible then they must treat the patient as long as that patient is alive (only for the problem caused by their mistake).

Democratic party looks poised to pass major health care reform Jenn. Mark it on your calendar. It’s coming …
If it does pass, the Democrats will lose the House in 2010, and the health care program will be dumped in 2011.

“If it does pass, the Democrats will lose the House in 2010, and the health care program will be dumped in 2011″
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There’s the truth about the Republican bi-partisan approach. Thank God you cretins lost.