President Obama’s National Security Council Meeting on Strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Should we thank 60 minutes for this? :)

Obama seems alittle more concerned about Afghanistan since the general was on 60 minutes.
Maybe Obama will start meeting with him more than once every two months over the phone.
Might be a good time for Obama to pop in to see the troops for a photo-op.
Just to prove the pre-selected troops still support him.

Oh well, another right-wing talking point shot to heck. Rush and Beck will have some new ones soon enough.

Time to redefine the mission. Dems don’t want this fight.

How much more money that we don’t have are we going to waste, and how many of our soldiers and their civilians need to perish. This is just dumb. I thought Obama was the antiwar candidate. Of course, Ron Paul was, but people laughed. Get what we deserve.

Good questions all. Personally, I prefer deliberation and debate on important issues, rather than foreign policy based on one wealthy, powerful and dogmatic person’s “gut” reaction or hunch. For idealogues and dogmatics inquiry often ends with the hunch or a gut feeling, and is followed up with “resolve.” For scientists, creatives, intellectuals and good leaders, inquiry BEGINS with a hunch or gut feeling and dialogue and debate ensues.

–Where do right-wingers get the idea that talk=spine?
My guess is that it depends on who’s doing the talking and what is said.
If he really wants to show some spine he can send some troops.
You talking about Obama or Sarky?
If we bomb Iran we’re going to need all of them we can get.
What if Israel tries to bomb Iran?
What if Iran tries to bomb Israel?
Posted by: Skip |

“You talking about Obama or Sarky?”
If you think Obama needs to send even more troops to show some spine do you think George Will is talking like a wimp?

“If you think Sarkozy needs to send even more troops to show some spine do you think POTUS is talking like a wimp?”
Oh come on! Obama has already sent over ten times more troops than Sarkozy and I don’t think the French have any troops in Iraq at all yet. George Will wants to cut and run.

Union of Afgahnistan and Pakistan
By M. Akram Khan, Balida Town, Karachi, Pakistan, 30 September 2009
The only solution to the present problem of instability in Afghanistan and Pakistan is in the Union of these two countries based on principles of Democracy and Federalism.
In history, Durani Empire was composed of all the areas in which today’s Pakistan and Afghanistan are located, and during the Mughal Empire together they were a single country. In the initial period of the British Empire, they were also the same country.
Later, some forces that had vested interests kept a distance between these lands. Consequently, border areas between these two countries became hiding places for criminals of both countries, thieves of automobiles and other stolen goods. They are stored in this region. This large uncontrollable area is a base for many evils.
Here narcotics are grown; addiction is destroying the youth and humanity. Because the region is not developed and poverty is rampant, people are attracted to extremism and militancy.
Union of both countries will make the single government more responsible in stabilizing this region and in satisfying the nationalistic pride of its inhabitants. People will be able to serve humanity as other large nations of the world do. Otherwise, this region will always remain a nuisance for the world. It destroyed Soviet Union. It may also take down the western world, which will be a great blow to the development of Science and Technology, especially Medical science.
Advantages to the world:
Control of terrorism:
Instability in this region is causing great damage to humanity. Soldiers of many countries are sacrificing their lives just to eliminate terrorists from these countries. In the presence of a unified government, it will be easier to control terrorists.
Control of extremism:
As a unified nation composed of multiethnic groups such as the Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis, Pashtuns, Urdu speakers, Tajiks, Persians and Hazaras, and as a multisectarian society such as Sunni and Shiites, it will become impossible for any ethnic group or religious sect to find any future in extremism.
Stabilization of the region:
Although it is now that the problems of this region have gained attention, it has suffered from instability for a long time. People here are finding no hope, no future for themselves, partly because of interference from foreign countries, such as the British Empire, Soviet Union, USA, China and India. When they were unified under the Durani Empire, the region was stable. The same was the case during the Mughal Empire.
There are three main groups in Asia, i.e. the Chinese, Hindus and Muslims. Chinese and Hindus are satisfied with their states of China and India. The Muslim population in Asia is greater than the Chinese and Hindus combined. However, having no comparable state of their own they experience the stress of inferiority. That element too is causing instability and irritation amongst common Muslims. By creating a unified state of Pakistan and Afghanistan, a sense of satisfaction, pride and respect of having a national state will be achieved. That might lead to normalization of relations with the rest of the world and stability.
Solution to economic problems
At present, both countries are burdens on others, and pose barriers in exploring the resources of Central Asia by the world. After stabilization, it will be useful not only for Central Asia and for the World, but also for the new unified nation itself.
Advantages to Pakistan:
It was the vision of Quaid-e-Azam, the Founder of Pakistan, to unify the regions of West Pakistan, Afghanistan, East Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia. That probably needs time. It took many centuries for Europeans to realize that they shared a common goal.
• By unification with Afghanistan, areas, which are included in Pakistan, will stabilize, and migration of people from disturbed areas will stop.
• Smuggling of weapons across the borders will end, and Law and Order will be established.
• Similarly, illicit drug trade will be minimized.
• Whole areas of Pukhtoons (Pashtuns) speaking population will unify, and that will help the development of culture and language of that group which is now divided in two nations.
• Expenses for Security measures on the borders will be minimal. The resultant balance can be used for the welfare of people.
• Interference of other nations in this region will subside.
• Due to unique historical importance for Buddhists and Hindus, tourism industry will flourish and business activity in the region will increase.
Advantages to Afghanistan:
• Through unification, Afghanistan will cease to be a land locked country. The union will promote freedom of people of Afghanistan to travel and engage in economic activity,
• Extremism and terrorism will come to and end, as the people will become more engaged and involved in adjusting themselves in the new union. Utilization of raw products of Afghanistan will increase.
• Security and military expenses will minimize.
• Doors to Pakistan will open to Afghanis who look for jobs in Pakistan.
• Shortage of food products in Afghanistan will decrease and it will increase the utilization of raw products of Afghanistan.
• Linking Central Asia via Afghanistan to the rest of the world will generate extraordinary development.
Based on above observations, suggestions and predictions, it is clear that unification of Pakistan and Afghanistan will be fruitful for everyone in the region and for the world at large.

Where the hell is General Curtis LeMay when you need him? With the current candyassed liberal-collectivist-fascist wantabees in power both here and in the EU don’t expect anything in the way of action until Iran attacks Israel, or more likely Israel attacks Iran…

Oh well, another right-wing talking point shot to heck.
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And yet they can’t give it up…
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We’re going to see a few more variations on this theme before the fanatics move on entirely–the military tough-guy card is one of their absolute favorites. They’re tenacious and adaptable, like a fungus.

Oh come on!…
Posted by: Skip |
Oh come on! McChrystal wants more troops and he gets prevarication.
Dems have no will to fight this war so they will redefine the mission and start the withdrawal.

They’re tenacious and adaptable, like a fungus.
Posted by: Skip | Sep 30, 2009 11:27:45 AM
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I like that. I might have to borrow it sometime with credit given, of course :>)

“like neglect in Iraq” posted by TT
What does that mean??????????