The Note: Ganging Up: GOP shows its hand — and Baucus may yet take the pot
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: If Sen. Max Baucus’ bill — with its smaller price tag, no employer mandate, and no public option — doesn’t draw at least a few Republicans, what will?
And the bigger question that’s loomed over this debate from the start — a question that’s nudged to the fore with Republicans lining up on the other side: Would liberal voices really kill health care reform when it comes up for a vote in Congress?
We’ve seen shrinking gangs and lonely press conferences, angry Democrats and Republicans, and one highly anticipated bill that isn’t going to change everything.
Here’s one other change worth noting: In the time it’s taken to work through health care reform, Republicans have learned to work as an opposition party. And that means, well, opposition.
Between ACORN and czars, they’ve found some messaging to push — and the missile-defense shift being announced Thursday figures to put some foreign-policy meat on those bones.
Maybe this is where Democrats needed to be, ultimately, to find some clarity on health care.
In the meantime, for all its many critics, the Baucus plan is what’s closest to the vision articulated by President Obama last week. Baucus was alone at the podium Wednesday, though many of the key folks with seats around the table have chosen not to give them up just yet.
“On the surface, it appears that no one is happy with Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) — and that may be the best news President Obama has had in months,” Ceci Connolly reports in The Washington Post. “behind the rhetorical fireworks was a sense that the fragile coalition of major industry leaders and interest groups central to refashioning the nation’s $2.5 trillion health-care system remains intact. As they scoured the 223-page document, many of the most influential players found elements to dislike, but not necessarily reasons to kill the effort. Most enticing was the prospect of 30 million new customers.”
“There will be a lot of horse-trading, and it will not be pretty,” said one White House aide.
“The Baucus bill moves us closer to consensus,” former Sen. Tom Daschle tells Bloomberg News, per Kristin Jensen and Laura Litvan. Daschle, D-S.D., said the plan has “a lot of issues” yet offers “the opportunity to draw moderate Democratic support and perhaps even at the end of the day one or two Republicans.”
There may be fewer partners to trade with: “Republicans said his plan spent too much on insurance subsidies for low-income people, Democrats said it did not spend enough,” Lisa Wangsness writes in The Boston Globe. “Lawmakers in both parties said it was unaffordable, particularly for low- and middle-income people. Republican leaders, who have panned the Democrats’ plans from the start, pronounced it ‘dead on arrival.’ ”
“[Baucus] stood, looking lonely, in front of a backdrop that could have accommodated his entire so-called Gang of Six — if, that is, the talks had worked out. As it was, he showed up as a Gang of One,” Salon’s Mike Madden writes.
“The plan faces two instant hurdles: House Democratic leaders prefer an income tax surcharge on wealthy taxpayers, which would raise an estimated $544 billion over 10 years, and the House legislation has considerably less in Medicare savings,” McClatchy’s David Lightman reports. “In addition, Republicans will oppose almost any tax increase. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky quickly set the tone, saying the Baucus bill would ‘put massive new tax burdens on families and individuals.’ ”
“Changes intended to bring the centrists and conservatives in line could drive away progressives, while any move to draw in the more liberal elements could end up alienating the centrists. There is little margin for error,” Carl Hulse writes in The New York Times.
This is all that’s left? “The major new health-care overhaul bill that landed in the Senate on Wednesday sets the lines for a fall showdown over taxes, spending and coverage for millions of uninsured Americans,” The Wall Street Journal’s Greg Hitt, Janet Adamy and Jonathan Weisman report.
“I’m gettable but not there yet,” Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., tells ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. He reports: “Wyden’s also expecting a ‘pretty rollicking’ meeting when Senate Dems caucus behind closed doors [Thursday]. Talk about understatement.”
Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.: “I have made clear I cannot vote for this bill in its current form.”
Starting points? “While this draft bill is a good starting point, it needs improvement before it will work for Nevada,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., per the Las Vegas Sun’s Lisa Mascaro.
The messaging memo, from James Carville and Stan Greenberg’s Democracy Corps: “Be on the offensive . . . Reject the status quo . . . Reassure . . . Explain specifically how the Obama plan works to give peace of mind and keep costs down.”
Would you move to the center, or to the left? “Baucus has no Republican votes for his legislation,” Ezra Klein writes at his Washington Post blog. “Conceding so much in return for so little isn’t just bad politics — it’s bad precedent. Why should Republicans sign onto Baucus’s proposals in the future if they can simply adjust the bill to their liking and then withhold their support at the end?”
Markos Moulitsas, on his Twitter page: “Only Democrats ‘compromise’ and get zero in return.”
Is it time for Democrats to be Republicans? “Whatever makes it to the Senate floor, it would be exhilarating to see Democrats present a united front and get it done. It is so rare that they show the kind of discipline that Republicans are famous for,” Jill Lawrence writes for Politics Daily. “Simply put, stick together in the crunch. It’ll pay off for the party and the country.”
Too late for that, writes Karl Rove, in his Wall Street Journal column: “It’s now becoming clear that Mr. Obama’s speech failed to rally voters and failed to inspire Democrats to follow their president’s lead. And while the fissures are small now (Mr. Dean’s worry seems to be that triggers would give too much away to Republicans), they will likely widen unless the president shows that his policies will do what his campaign did expand the pool of voters in favor of Democrats.”
(Seriously?) “Mr. Obama will appear on five news shows on Sunday. His time might be better spent praying for more public support,” Rove writes.
From the left: MoveOn.org calls the Baucus draft a “dream come true for the insurance industry.” Health Care for America Now says the bill “gift to the insurance industry that fails to meet the most basic promise of health care reform.”
Back on the road (though barely outside the Beltway) for the president Thursday. He holds “a rally on health insurance reform” at 11:40 am ET at the Comcast Center at the University of Maryland in College Park. “The White House will stream the rally live through an innovative Facebook application that will allow students nationwide to both watch the event and discuss it with others as it is happening.”
New weapon in health care wars: “Pushing for health care reform didn’t turn out so well for the last first lady in a Democratic White House. But with a retooled staff, and an under-the-radar summer behind her, Michelle Obama plans a packed autumn that aides say will include a ‘dedicated focus’ on health insurance reform — the same issue that brought such headaches to Hillary Clinton,” Politico’s Nia-Malika Henderson reports.
What the White House really doesn’t want to be talking about (but can’t avoid, thanks to former President Jimmy Carter):
“President Obama has long suggested that he would like to move beyond race. The question now is whether the country will let him,” Jeff Zeleny and Jim Rutenberg report in The New York Times.
Said senior adviser and longtime friend Valerie Jarrett: “He could probably give a very powerful speech on race, just as he did in the course of the campaign. . . . But right now his top domestic priority is health care reform. It’s difficult, challenging and complicated. And if he leads by example, our country will be far better off.”
“Barack Obama, the man who broke through America’s final racial barrier to become the nation’s first black president, has been unable to escape the country’s awkward dialogue about race during his first months in of fice, a conundrum that has been imposed by members of the political left and right who increasingly appear to feel comfortable using the race card to score political points,” Joseph Curl reports in the Washington Times.
“At the White House, the official line is: Race issue? What race issue?” Anne Kornblut and Krissah Williams write in The Washington Post. “On Wednesday, [Press Secretary Robert] Gibbs told reporters that Carter’s remarks did not merit a broader discussion about why protesters had grown so hostile toward the nation’s first African American president. And in the Oval Office, Obama declined to respond to a reporter’s question about Carter’s comments.”
Firing back: “There is not a racist bone in my dad’s body,” said Alan Wilson, who is running for attorney general of South Carolina, told the New York Daily News’ Brian Kates. “He doesn’t even laugh at distasteful jokes.”
Another dose of Joe Wilson fallout: “Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., hammered President Obama on Wednesday for announcing over the weekend that he would not only block health care subsidies from flowing to undocumented workers, he would also block them from using their own money to purchase health coverage through the proposed health insurance exchange,” ABC’s Teddy Davis reports.
ACORN’s falling: “In the wake of a series of embarrassing hidden-camera exposes and mounting congressional pressure to cut off its federal funding, ACORN announced on Wednesday it would immediately stop accepting new clients at its offices across the country,” Politico’s Michael Falcone reports.
“I must say, on behalf of ACORN’s Board and our Advisory Council, that we will go to whatever lengths necessary to reestablish the public trust,” said ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis, per ABC’s Jake Tapper.
New on ACORN Thursday, a research document from House Minority Leader John Boehner’s office, asking whether Democrats will support efforts to deny funding for ACORN: “ACORN’S ENABLERS: HOUSE DEMOCRATS’ LENGTHY RECORD OF PROTECTING A TROUBLED ORGANIZATION.”
New on Czars Thursday, from the Democratic National Committee: a Web video, featuring Glenn Beck, counting up President Bush’s czars. (It’s called “Dancing with the Czars.”)
Reports ABC’s Jake Tapper: “At the AFL-CIO convention in Pittsburgh, President Obama referred to what has been called in the past a Manufacturing Czar as his ‘new point person to jumpstart American manufacturing.’ The presidential change in diction — from joking about it to almost pulling a muscle to avoid using the term, in just one Summer — morphed into White House combativeness today.”
Driving the foreign policy day: “The Czech prime minister says President Barack Obama has told him that the U.S. is abandoning plans to put a missile shield in the Czech Republic and Poland,” per the Associated Press. “Czech Premier Jan Fischer told reporters in Prague on Thursday that Obama phoned him to say that Washington has decided to scrap the plan that had deeply angered Russia. Fischer says Obama confirmed that Washington no longer intends to put 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar system in the Czech Republic.”
Defense Secretary Robert Gates briefs on the strategic shift at 10:30 am ET. (And the race is already on to define this as more about security or appeasement.)
“Among the options being considered are the construction of missile launching pads or radar installations in Turkey or the Balkans, while developing land-based versions of the Aegis SM-3, a ship-based anti-missile system,” per The New York Times’ Judy Dempsey and Nicholas Kulish. “The changes, they said, would be intended not to mollify Russia, but to adjust to what they see as an accelerating threat from shorter-range Iranian missiles.”
Senator Dukakis? The Boston Globe’s Matt Viser reports that former Gov. Michael Dukakis, D-Mass., was uncharacteristically silent when asked about whether he’d be filling Ted Kennedy’s seat on an interim basis: “I’m not commenting,” he said. “Why not? ‘Cause I don’t want to comment.”
“Meanwhile, the Legislature’s Joint Committee on Election Law passed the bill last night by an 11-to-6 vote, sending it to the House floor today with a favorable recommendation,” Viser reports.
New leadership for Big Labor: “Union members say Richard L. Trumka will bring excitement and a new, more aggressive approach to broaden the labor movement and make it more relevant to workers young and old as the new president of the nation’s largest labor federation,” Joe Napsha reports for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. ” Trumka, 60, a third-generation coal miner from Nemacolin in Greene County and the former president of the United Mine Workers, was elected Wednesday by 700 delegates to the AFL-CIO’s annual convention at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center, Downtown.”
From the fact-check desk, The Wall Street Journal’s Jonathan Weisman: “President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn’t known about. ‘They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it,’ the president said in the nationally televised address.”
“In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn’t die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. . . . Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Mr. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.”
From the investigative annals: “The Justice Department is investigating whether former Interior Secretary Gale A. Norton illegally used her position to benefit Royal Dutch Shell PLC, the company that later hired her, according to officials in federal law enforcement and the Interior Department,” Jim Tankersley and Josh Meyer report in the Los Angeles Times. “The criminal investigation centers on the Interior Department’s 2006 decision to award three lucrative oil shale leases on federal land in Colorado to a Shell subsidiary. Over the years it would take to extract the oil, according to calculations from Shell and a Rand Corp. expert, the deal could net the company hundreds of billions of dollars.”
From former Vice President Dick Cheney’s office Thursday: “Forme r Vice President Cheney went to The George Washington University Hospital this morning for elective surgery to deal with lumbar spinal stenosis. Dr. Anthony Caputy, Chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery, will perform the operation.”
The Kicker:
“Use that picture properly.” — First Lady Michelle Obama, fearing a YouTube moment when her husband picked up a foam sword in an attempt to get his wife to spar with him.
“Washington needs fresh faces, it needs some new blood.” — Pro wrestling executive Linda McMahon, announcing her Senate candidacy in Connecticut.
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What the Baucus bill does is allow Americans to see an actual proposal and what it would really do to health care. Republicans can no longer snicker about death panels or government takeovers. And Baucus took care of the top concern of real Americans, which is the deficit.
By “bending” the proverbial cost curve and turning reform into a means of deficit reduction, the now president has a real advantage in selling reform.
Posted by: matt | September 17, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Baucus’ proposed bill is no better than any of the other proposals. This bill is nothing more than massive tax hikes disguised as “fees”. For example, if employers do not provide health care coverage for employees, they are charged a fee by the government. If the employee decides he or she does not want to purchase a policy on their own, they are charged a “fee” as well. There are many other “fees” associated with this bill as well, but there are too many to list here. This bill will do nothing but make insurance companies richer and increase revenue to the federal government. Thank God it looks like even most Democrats have enough common sense not to vote for this sham of a bill.
Posted by: dragoon70056 | September 17, 2009, 9:21 am 9:21 am
The Democrats have no idea where they need to be……which is clearly demonstrated by the lack of citizen support, for their plan.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | September 17, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Republicans will line up against the Baucus because Baucus is a Democrat and they simply want to defeat any Health Care bill proposed by Democrats to embarass Obama. It is simple politics. Republicans really do not have any interest in Health Care reform….at least to extent of helping average Americans…their view is simply reducing corporate costs and hoping those costs get passed onto consumers..Pure Reagan trickle down economics that have made corporate citizens richer and average Americans poorer…
Posted by: indy_voter | September 17, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am
According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, this bill would reduce the federal deficit by $49 billion over the next ten years, and will continue reducing the deficit after that. 94% of all Americans would have health insurance.
Can someone tell me, on the left or the right, how that is a bad thing?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 17, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Amy In Maine
Reducing the Deficit is great but that is the only great thing about this bill There is no Public Option. so where is the Competition? The Goverment can Fine you if you dont Purchase Health Insurance! and alot of other things in this Piece of Garbage Bill that is only a big Gift to the Insurance company. The Bill either needs to be burned or tweeked!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | September 17, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Another thing No Matter what the Democrats purpose the Republicans will be against it no matter what!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | September 17, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Is Health Care Reform Constitutional?
The administration seems to be operating under a distorted version of the Commerce Clause that has been grossly misinterpreted over the years as allowing the feds to regulate and control just about everything. In United States vs. Lopez in 1995, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress can only regulate human activity that is truly commercial at its core. One does not go to a doctor to engage in commercial activity. The Supreme Court has specifically rejected the idea that Congress can regulate noneconomic activities simply because through a chain of collective events they might have some impact down the road.
Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | September 17, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Rick Klein has his head up his arse. “Between ACORN and the Czars, the Republicans have found some messaging to push.” ACORN offices have been caught on tape in five different cities offering advice and support on how to cheat the gov’t by undercover journalists, posing as pimp/wanna-be-politician(Dem) and prostitute. That includes offering support even when the pimp says he wants to use underage El Salvadoran girls to help finance his political ambitions. That is criminal, perverted collusion in establishing a child slavery ring at best, and all the idiot Rick Klein can do is call it “messaging by Republicans?” Unreal, unless of course he is OK with using little girls for sex.
And don’t even get me started on those scumbag Czars, just Google Van Jones.
PS I am a minority schoolteacher/ union leader who has not partaken of the kool-aid.
Posted by: Dave Esser | September 17, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Reuters reported the following today: If U.S. health reform efforts lead to higher costs for employers, employees may end up bearing the brunt, according to a new survey. Employers will not absorb higher costs, choosing instead either to reduce benefits, lower salaries or cut jobs, the survey from professional services firm Towers Perrin said on Thursday. Eighty-seven percent of employers said they were very likely or likely to cut benefits if reform leads to higher costs. Only 11 percent said they would accept lower profits.
Health care reform, as I have said, is a central issue for the American economy. Employers cannot afford the continued cost increases (from 2000 to 2008 of 120 percent). They cannot afford the average annual 12 percent cost increase. If you want to know why America is less competitive, why jobs are lost, why we don’t create new products…it’s because costs such as these that go to pay insurance companies are eating us up. I doubt seriously that the Baucus bill addresses cost containment. Until more Americans lose their health insurance or their jobs, there will not be real health reform. That will be roughly 8 to 10 years from now when the problem is worse. Right Wing fearmongers just played America!
Posted by: 63tango | September 17, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Let me put it as simple as I can.
Democrats control the House of Representatives
Democrats control the Senate
A Democrat occupies the Oval Office.
Democrats are in total control of our federal government.
Along with power comes responsibility. If you have total power, you have all the responsibility. Democrats are in power that means they also have the responsibility. They get all the credit and all the blame for anything and everything, good or bad that does or does not happen.
Democrats are in total control yet all they and their news media can to is point the finger at Republicans and blame them for everything. Sorry guys, those of us with more than a dozen active brain cells know that you can’t blame anyone else for your incompetències. Your failures are your own.
Stop pointing fingers. Stop crying racism every time someone disagrees with you. Stop going to Africa and crying about past elections. Stop blaming others for your own inabilities.
I’m surprised you didn’t blame someone else for ACORN. I noticed you haven’t accepted responsibility either. Obama praised them once. I bet he denies association with them now.
Posted by: oonogil2 | September 17, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am
oonogil2
Exactly! What is notable about the Baucus bill is that he was all by himself at the podium This bill enjoys bipartisan opposition.
As for saving money – yes – the feds save money, shifting costs to insurance companies, employers, certain health plans and state governments. Just a huge shell game, trying to hide a trillion dollars.
The homebuyer rebate was double projections, the cash for clunkers was triple projections, these guys have no idea what this will cost. Just say no.
Posted by: Paul | September 17, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Amy in Maine,
Angie in Pa is correct…as long as a Democrat is sponsoring the bill Republicans will oppose….It is politics…It reminds me of the march to war in Iraq where demands were placed on Saddam Hussein to disclose weapons of mass destruction or be attacked….In the end, it didn’t matter what Hussein did he was going to be attacked because he was not believed by the ideological hawks…
In this case, the Baucus bill could mirror Republican legislation and Republicans would still oppose it in attempt for political victory..
Posted by: indy_voter | September 17, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
indy, HELLO it isn’t just repubs not supporting this thing. Baucus stood ALONE! NO DEMS in sight! This blame game you and others play is waaaaay past old.
Posted by: rose | September 17, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
“This bill enjoys bipartisan opposition.”
But for vastly different reasons, which makes it so confusing.
It sounds, to me at least, that the Dems oppose it because it doesn’t provide a public option, which would give the private insurance companies a run for their money.
The Republicans seem to oppose it for ideological reasons. Olympia has said she won’t vote for it in the present form, which is endlessly confusing to me since she worked on it (and she represents my state!). I’m flummoxed by the whole thing.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 17, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Will the president get around the
question of illegals being eligible
for coverage when he goes ahead with
immigration reform and declares all
illegals now here are now given
amnesty and a path to citizenship???
I do not trust he will not allow
them to be part of this program and
in order to do this, we just call it
something else. I believe most dems
believe this too as there has not been
much pushback on this proposal. Its all
a shell game.
Posted by: wis134 | September 17, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
To oonogil2:
And don’t forget: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Power and hubris have caused the demise of many governments and civilizations.
Posted by: older&wiser | September 17, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
wis134 — The pendulum theory says that sooner or later the pendulum swings the other way. That being true the Republicans should again be in power very soon. Democrats read the same book I did and they know how to alter the natural swing of power. By fighting to make citizens of illegal aliens they increase the number of voters likely to support them. Most Americans don’t want illegal aliens here, much less give them amnesty. …. I love irony but naming that party “Democratic” is going too far.
Posted by: oonogil2 | September 17, 2009, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
REPUBLICANS simply want President Obama to fail. No matter what is best for the country.
Posted by: Brandon | September 17, 2009, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
oonogil2
George W. Bush pushed for giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. THat was his thing.
Stop trying to smear Democrats, would ya?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 17, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Has anyone broken the ACORN story to Charlie Gibson and Nancy Pelosi yet?
Posted by: converted1 | September 17, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Amy, I will tell you, it’s a bad thing because like everything else the dems say, it’s not true!
Posted by: lyineyes1956 | September 17, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Republicans are a disgrace for this country. They are unable to have a fair and productive health-care debate and instead use a low-life smear-campaign full of lies.
The fact that so many people actually listen and believe what those looneys have to say maybe means that Americans don’t deserve a general healthcare.
But hey, you all can be proud to be ‘free Americans’
I would be ashamed of such ignorance
Posted by: jammer | September 17, 2009, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Another lie from President Obama that ABC won’t question him about on Sunday.
On Special Report tonight, Brett Baier exposed Obama misrepresenting the outcome of the patient Obama said in his speech before Congress died because his insurance was canceled. Turns out, the patient’s insurance was reinstated, he received some kind of stem-cell treatment, and he lived another three years.
The White House responded that Obama was “essentially” correct on the facts.
Say what? Obama’s administration deals with the public like that condescending adult deals with kids in those Ally ads.
Obama and his supporters think this is some kind of a joke and whatever lies they tell us to sell their government take over of health care they can count on the media covering for them (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOX WHICH IS WHY OBAMA WILL NOT GO ON FOX). The problem is once President Obama and his minions get control of the all the health care dollar they will have the power to screw around with our money and our lives. Than everyone will have to kiss their behinds to get a freaking aspirin.
Posted by: james | September 17, 2009, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
oonogil2/Sep 17, 2009 10:37:56 AM
The “Ridiculous Right” has Been ‘busted’; It’s now clear, their “DEFENSIVE TALKING POINT” Track, is made up of the following; “Anyone who disagrees with Obama is labelled a Racist. It won’t work.” (Or some derivation thereof.)
Posted by: bobj72 | September 18, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
If Sen. Max Baucus’ bill — with its smaller price tag, no employer mandate, and no public option — doesn’t draw at least a few Republicans, what will?
Hey Rick did you get your talking
points from the Whitehouse?
You are correct when you say there is
no “employer mandate”, However there is
an “Employee Mandate”!
Mr Klein conviently leaves out the Fact
that the Baucus Bill forces individuals
to buy health insurance even if they
don’t want it and will impose a Fine
on those who refuse to buy coverage!
It is the Democrats in Congress, the
President, and their stooges in the
Liberal News Media who continue to
misrepresent what is in this bill.
It is the Democrats in Congress who
continue to tamper with free speech in
this country when they try to deny
companies like Humana from letting their
patients know what is in the president’s
Healthcare Bill.
No Public Option(or Govt run Co-ops),
No Mandates, No taxes or fines on
Middleclass Americans!
Posted by: reaganfan | September 25, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm