The Note: Lost Summer — New challenges crowd out health care push
By RICK KLEIN It’s nice to leave August behind — but what’s ahead that’s pleasant to see? On health care — we’re in a loop with no new input, churning through the same information, and watching the chances of bipartisanship evaporate. On national security — we’re seeing the typical battles fought anew, with the same players, and probably the same political outcomes. On Afghanistan — Obama’s war looks like Bush’s war once did, but the blame factor doesn’t make the choices ahead any easier. As the White House stay-cation continues, some unappealing options. And with foreign policy at the forefront again, they’re not the even the type of choices President Obama wants to have to make. “For Mr. Obama, who already ordered an additional 21,000 troops to Afghanistan this year, the prospect of a still larger deployment would test his commitment to a war he did not launch even as it grows more violent by the month,” Peter Baker and Dexter Filkins reports in The New York Times. “He already faces growing discontent among his liberal base, not only over the war but also over national security policy, health care, gay rights and other issues.” “The report arrived at U.S. Central Command and NATO as four more troops, including two Americans, were killed today, closing out what was already the deadliest month in the war's history,” per ABC’s Nick Schifrin, Martha Raddatz, and Kirit Radia. “Since a surge of U.S. Marines and soldiers began fighting in early July, at least 150 international troops have died — nearly the same number killed in the first 27 months of the war, according to icasualties.org. The assessment comes at a time when U.S. officials fear much of the country is slipping out of control.” Internal angst: “With tough battles ahead on health care, the budget and other issues, Vice President Joe Biden and other officials are increasingly anxious about how the American public would respond to sending additional troops,” McClatchy’s Nancy A. Youssef reports. “Although President Barack Obama committed 21,000 new American forces to Afghanistan this year, officials are bracing for a request for even more. Obama would then face a buildup of troops there just as troop commitments in Iraq are easing or the risk losing the war he argued the U.S. had neglected,” per the AP’s Anne Gearan. “Time to Get Out of Afghanistan,” reads the headline on George F. Will’s column. “The U.S. strategy is ‘clear, hold and build.’ Clear? Taliban forces can evaporate and then return, confident that U.S. forces will forever be too few to hold gains. Hence nation-building would be impossible even if we knew how, and even if Afghanistan were not the second-worst place to try,” Will writes. (Flashback: “This Week" with George Stephanopoulos, August 23. “Clear, hold, build. They can't hold it because they can't stay there,” Will said. “And when they leave, the Taliban comes back. Therefore, what's the point in clearing? I think the American people are right about this.”) “All quiet signs that when Congress returns to Washington in coming days, the unheard sounds of the distant war may become far louder on the political landscape there than anyone thought when those folks left town to discuss a different kind of pre-existing condition,” Andrew Malcolm blogs for the Los Angeles Times. Whose war is it anyway? ” ‘War on terror’ — the Bush-era phrase that has disappeared at the Obama White House — appeared again on Monday,” the Washington Examiner’s Byron York points out. Pushing back at former Vice President Dick Cheney (who can — and might — pop up whenever he wants to in any debate over national-security policies): “The world is coming together on this matter now that President Obama has taken the leadership on it and is approaching it in a slightly different way – actually a radically different way – to discuss things with other rulers to enhance the working relationships with law enforcement agencies – both national and international,” National Security Adviser Gen. Jim Jones, tells ABC’s Jake Tapper. Jones said that “we are seeing results that indicate more captures, more deaths of radical leaders and a kind of a global coming-together by the fact that this is a threat to not only the United States but to the world at-large and the world is moving toward doing something about it.” President Obama is at the White House Tuesday, with a 1:15 pm ET briefing on H1N1 flu preparedness. He closes out his evening with a dinner celebrating Ramadan. Any more unpopular choices ahead? “By force of circumstances and by design, the president has promoted one policy after another that increases spending and centralizes power in Washington,” David Brooks writes in his New York Times column. “The result is the Obama slide, the most important feature of the current moment. The number of Americans who trust President Obama to make the right decisions has fallen by roughly 17 percentage points. Obama’s job approval is down to about 50 percent. All presidents fall from their honeymoon highs, but in the history of polling, no newly elected American president has fallen this far this fast.” (The New Republic’s Gabriel Sherman: “It is an odd situation to say the least: David Brooks, prominent conservative, has become the most visible journalistic ally of arguably the most liberal president of his lifetime.”) Plan from here, on health care: “Democrats lost the month of August — not just in the polls and at town hall events but also within their own caucus,” Alex Isenstadt and Martin Kady II write for Politico. “The comeback for Democrats — if there is one — will begin in an all-important closed-door caucus meeting next week in the basement of the Capitol, where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her top lieutenants will try to undo the damage of the August recess and convince their wobbly members that a vote for health care reform will not cost them their jobs in 2010.” They continue: “Leaders say their strategy is to convince members that nothing is set in stone and that they are more than open to negotiations. And they’re engaging in a softer sell, prioritizing health insurance reforms while pitching the public option as something that’s way, way down the road.” (Plus, backtracking on the public option? House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., “is advocating a ‘two step’ approach in which the most widely supported health insurance reforms, like coverage for pre-existing conditions, go into effect immediately, while the public option is framed as a distant step — something that would go into effect in 2013, only after benchmarks and pilot programs are studied.”) (And what of the timeline for action? “We’re not going to make our guys walk off the cliff without seeing what the hell the Senate does,” said one House Democratic leadership aide.) Tracking the D’s: “Threats by President Barack Obama and congressional leaders to push health-care legislation through the Senate without Republican support may be undercut by some Democrats whose support they need,” Bloomberg’s Kristin Jensen writes. “Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson, ‘opposes using reconciliation,’ though he hasn’t ruled out voting for it, said spokesman Jake Thompson.” Broader concerns: “Recent town-hall uproars weren't just about health care. They were also eruptions of concern that the government is taking on too much at once,” The Wall Street Journal’s Janet Adamy and Jonathan Weisman write. “That suggests trouble for the president and his party, and fears of losses in next year's midterm election are likely to shape the Democrats' fall agenda.” Not good news: “Preventive services for the chronically ill may reduce health-care costs, but they are unlikely to generate the kind of fantastic savings that President Obama and other Democrats have said could help pay for an overhaul of the nation's health system, according to a study being published Tuesday,” Lori Montgomery reports in The Washington Post. New to the airwaves: the RNC touts its “Seniors Bill of Rights” in a new TV ad launching Tuesday in Florida and on national cable: “Let’s agree in both parties that Congress should only consider health reform proposals that protect senior citizens,” RNC Chairman Michael Steele says in the ad. “For starters, no cuts to Medicare to pay for another program. Zero.” Plus, of course: “Prevent any government role in end-of-life care.” Tracking bipartisanship: Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., made his views clear in the GOP radio address over the weekend, and now comes Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa. “I had to rush you this Air-Gram today to set the record straight on my firm and unwavering opposition to government-run health care. And ask your immediate support in helping me defeat ‘Obama-care,’ ” Grassley writes in a fund-raising letter, per The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein. “The simple truth is that I am and always have been opposed to the Obama administration's plan to nationalize health care. Period.” Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., to the AP’s Matt Gouras: “I talked to [Republican negotiators], and they all want to do health care reform. But the sad part is a lot politics have crept in. They are being told by the Republican Party not to participate.” (Any reason left for talks with Republicans to extend past the state of Maine?) Limits of legacies: “I don’t want to see the county be guilted into a health care reform because of the passing — unfortunate passing of a great senator,” RNC Chairman Michael Steele said Monday on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line.” Another call for a new strategy: “As the president and his administration figure out how to hit the reset button on health at the close of a bruising August, one option is to, at last, lay out exactly what Mr. Obama now wants in an overhaul package, and start selling and defending that,” Gerald F. Seib writes in his Wall Street Journal column. Norman Ornstein defends the president’s approach: “The odds remain reasonable that a solid, if not dramatic, health reform bill can make it through this process and become law. Any bill, under these conditions, will be a major accomplishment. The odds have been improved, not damaged, by the president's approach,” he writes in a Washington Post op-ed. Fiscal discipline, starting in his own house: “President Obama urged Congress Monday to limit cost-of-living pay raises to 2% for 1.3 million federal employees in 2010, extending an income squeeze that has hit private workers and threatens Social Security recipients and even 401(k) investors,” per USA Today’s Richard Wolf. Ready for a campaign ad, somewhere: “Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum. With little fanfare, a deal is moving forward to direct billions in U.S. tax dollars to an unlikely beneficiary — the giant British liquor producer that makes Captain Morgan rum,” the Chicago Tribune’s Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten report. “Under the agreement, London-based Diageo PLC will receive tax credits and other benefits worth $2.7 billion over 30 years, including the entire $165-million cost of building a state-of-the-art distillery on the island of St. Croix in the Virgin Islands, a U.S. territory.” The race in Virginia — very much rocked. The Washington Post’s unearthing of GOP candidate Bob McDonnell’s thesis has the sense of a game-changer — if there’s a game to be changed. “The Virginia governor's race ignited Monday over Republican Robert F. McDonnell's 20-year-old graduate thesis: Democrats assailed him in e-mail blasts and interviews for what he wrote about working women, homosexuals and ‘fornicators,’ and McDonnell tried to explain his views to crucial moderate and female voters,” per the Post. “McDonnell's opponent, Democrat R. Creigh Deeds, bombarded state and national media with details of the thesis, submitted by McDonnell in 1989 for a master of arts in public policy and juris doctorate in law from Regent University in Virginia Beach.” “I know Senator Deeds has got to try to make some controversy out of this. He’s behind in the polls,” McDonnell told reporters Monday, per ABC’s Teddy Davis. “You know why? [People] don’t care about a 20-year-old thesis. They care about what am I telling them today. What I have actually done for jobs, opportunity, and free enterprise and what am I going to do as governor. And that’s what people care about.” In New Jersey, new Q-poll numbers: “Democratic incumbent Gov. Jon Corzine is losing the battle of the attack ads in his campaign for reelection and now trails Republican challenger Christopher Christie 47 – 37 percent among likely voters, with 9 percent for independent candidate Christopher Daggett, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.” In Massachusetts, the special election is set for Jan. 19, with the primary — the one that really counts — Dec. 8. “The governor’s announcement comes as the political world awaits a signal from Joe Kennedy, a former member of the US House, on whether he will seek his uncle’s seat. With three members of Congress and the state’s attorney general seriously considering running, Kennedy’s decision is expected to significantly shape the Democratic primary race,” Frank Phillips and Matt Viser report in The Boston Globe. “Kennedy is being urged to run by some relatives who would like to keep the seat in the family, and he could announce his intentions as soon as this week, according to people close to the family.” No Vicki: “A solid source assures me that Vicki Kennedy won't run in a special election to fill the Massachusetts Senate seat. She's not interested in an interim appointment if it becomes available,” reports ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. Special election Tuesday: “Voters in San Francisco’s suburbs head to the polls Tuesday to choose a successor to former Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher,” per CQ’s Rachel Kapochunas. “Democrats John Garamendi, California’s lieutenant governor, state Sen. Mark DeSaulnier and state Assemblywoman Joan Buchanan are the frontrunners to succeed Tauscher, who resigned from Congress in March to take a position in the State Department.” Old governors never really go away . . . “Disgraced former Gov. Eliot Spitzer has been privately talking with friends about a possible comeback, and is considering a run for statewide office next year, several sources told The Post,” Maggie Haberman reports in the New York Post. “Less than 18 months after he left Albany in a prostitution scandal, Spitzer has held informal discussions in recent weeks about the possibility of making a bid for state comptroller or the US Senate seat currently held by Kirsten Gillibrand, sources said.” Former Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s book is due out next week — and he names names. “Emanuel wanted to return to the House after two years in the Obama administration to continue his quest to become speaker of the House one day, according to Blagojevich,” Bloomberg’s John McCormick writes. “Rahm understandably wanted to keep his options open,” Blagojevich writes in “The Governor,” expected in stores on Sept. 8. “That’s what all good politicians do.” On Valerie Jarrett: “I knew her and I liked her. But was this the best I could do for the people of Illinois?” the ex-governor writes, per the Chicago Sun-Times’ Lynn Sweet. Launching Tuesday: The Employment Policies Institute is calling it “stage 1″ of “a high-profile, multi-million dollar ad campaign that highlights and quantifies the enormity of the federal deficit.” Look for a national TV ad, print ads in The New York Times and USA Today, and a new website.
The Kicker: “Clearly he wasn’t serious.” — Jon Summers, Harry Reid spokesman, after Reid reportedly told a Las Vegas Review-Journal advertising executive that he hoped his newspaper would “go out of business.” “When the former President of the United States is caught with an intern in his, underneath his desk, does that impugn every Democrat in the country? So I don’t buy this broad brush, sweep that a lot of folks want to do to take situations involving [Mark] Sanford or [Sarah] Palin and make it writ large for every Republican in the country.” — RNC Chairman Michael Steele.
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Whatever those in the media would like to think, Obama has plenty of time to regain control of the health care dialogue and pull out a fantastic bill.
Posted by: matt | September 1, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
He may have the time, but people don’t trust him anymore, and they fear what he is trying to do the country.
Posted by: lyineyes1956 | September 1, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Why don’t the Democrat’s start Health Care reform with dealing with one thing will should lower the cost of Health Care —- Lawsuit Reform. Or would that be too easy compared with reforming Health Care but not one of the factors driving the cost up?
We as a nation do not take personal responsibility anymore for any of our actions. If you put HOT coffee in your lap and get burned or put your fingers under a lawnmower while it is running, it is YOUR mistake not the company that made the lawnmower or sold you the coffee.
Posted by: cobraman2001 | September 1, 2009, 9:16 am 9:16 am
The American people don’t want the health care reformed proposed by the Democrats.
Want to win the war? Let the Pentagon run it without politics.
Give government back to the people and disband the ACLU as a terrorist organization.
Return the Bill of Rights to the constitution.
Posted by: Tom | September 1, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
If tax funded health care is so important, why didn’t he use the pork bill to pay for it?
He can afford to give multi-million dollar bonuses to rich executives, use tax money to help people buy foreign cars, fund another useless global warming study, fund the largest pork bill in the history of the United States but we can’t afford to pay fair salary to our troops, rebuild infrastructure, provide border security or enforce immigration laws.
That’s change we can believe in?
Posted by: Oonogil | September 1, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Thanks Matt, for the link to Political-Buzz. There was also an interesting article there on George Will’s “Time to Get Out of Afghanistan” op-ed, and the Republicans general flip into anti-war, pro-Medicare policies, after all these years of “we have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them there.”
Just this morning, I was thinking how the new healthcare reform bill is almost exactly what Nixon proposed in 1970. Now, Republicans called it “socialism” – imagine! Today’s Republicans calling Nixon a socialist. Now that’s a Party that has moved to the far right.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
“we have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here.”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
About time to get rid of that health care crap. If its so good let the scum sucking media and congress to use it then we might get some truth. But then dems and media with their heads up Obamas a== will lie.
Posted by: DANIEL | September 1, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Didn’t happen. You have less than 1% of the population that want to control the other 99%. The majority of this nation want strong public health care. We are the same voters that have been throwing republicans out of office as fast as the election process will allow. We are more determined than ever for public health care.
Posted by: rightbehind | September 1, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
The 2010 elections are just 14 months away. Vote public health care straight up or down. We win either way. We either get public health care or we get a list of politicians to send packing. If it fails to pass we come back with single payer health care in 2011.
Posted by: rightbehind | September 1, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
I hate to cut and paste, but this is too rich not to share, it’s from McClathcy.com:
“Nixon introduced his Comprehensive Health Insurance Act on Feb. 6, 1974, days after he used what would be his final State of the Union address to call for universal access to health insurance.
“I shall propose a sweeping new program that will assure comprehensive health-insurance protection to millions of Americans who cannot now obtain it or afford it, with vastly improved protection against catastrophic illnesses,” he told America.
Nixon said his plan would build on existing employer-sponsored insurance plans and would provide government subsidies to the self-employed and small businesses to ensure universal access to health insurance. He said it wouldn’t create a new federal bureaucracy.
The Nixon plan won support from a Time magazine editorial on Feb. 18, 1974, which noted that “more and more Americans have been insisting that national health insurance is an idea whose time has come.”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Pelosi and Reid were very helpful…………………Howard Dean is still helping……..with friends like this, Obama doesn’t need enemies.
Posted by: LongT | September 1, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
rightbehind; Even Obama says he doesn’t want ‘single payer’ health care and it’s a bad idea. I guess you haven’t heard the latest propaganda?
Posted by: LongT | September 1, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
The trouble with the Democrats is they do not have the hate filled media machines the Republicans and Conservatives have. They thought we could have a reasoned, intellectual discussion. All the lies and half-truths about health care and socialism plays a big part in creating the negativism that people who believe sound bites over true knowledge listen to. Although NBC, CBS, and ABC News may have a liberal skew; it is nothing like the rabid hatred and misinformation that spews forth from Fox News and the conservative radio entertainers. They have done the bidding of their corporate sponsors well.
Posted by: afmca | September 1, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
REMEMBER before august recess when obama was doing his[CHICKEN LITTLE]act,vote now hurry up vote now dont worry about reading bill just PASS BILL QUICK. now dems understand americas people are polite but can be pushed too far..
Posted by: rking | September 1, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am
natilemass
Why do you think the Public Option wont bring Competion? You know like The Post office vs Fed Ex do you even know what a public option is?
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
angie in pa keep dreaming i love this stuff no public plan hahahahaha like i said angie before im independent moderate everyone i know does not want it co-op all the way
Posted by: natale from mass. | September 1, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
The Dems haven’t got a clue , All they want is to shove this bill through without even reading it or knowing whats really in it , They didn’t even write this bill , Why did they not do their job and write this bill so they would know whats really in it , And who is getting paid to write the bills being pushed through congress ,Congress is getting paid to do nothing and i for one is sick and tired of paying them to do nothing but spend my tax dollars and putting my grandbabies in debt , What kind of life are they going to get out of this, Tax to death , And i mean to their death .
Posted by: Candobetter | September 1, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
natale in Mass
We already have CO-OPS in some states and they work but not that well well just because everyone you know does not want it doesnt mean other people dont please explain to me your understaof the Public option! and anyway Republicans in congress have said NO To co-ops No No to every proposal but meanwhile they bring no ideas!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
I need to start counting the sound bites from the dems. I think it’s funny how they think this health care plan is the one just because it was written by dems. Have you all read it? I think this, mixed with the reps plan might have a start to reform health care. I also think Senator Tom Coburn Patients’ Choice Act could add to the plan. I still don’t see the dems trying to do this on their own, they would have nobody else to blame.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 1, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am
CANDO BETTER
The Democrats and President Obama put this bill together so if you claim no one has read it why are the Republicans making things up and you didnt worry about your grandbabies future when Bush spent Trillon dollars in Iraq or Haliburton or Bailouts why do you worry now?
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Angie in PA —– Now we have sound bites and lies! Trillions in Iraq? Bailouts (I think we just had the largest bailout in history)? Oh that’s right, Obama did that one so we won’t mention it.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 1, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Ifrichar
Bush started the Bailouts not Obama and Yes if you add up the Cost of the War since it began its about a Trillon dollars That Bush And republicans HID They did not include the war cost in their Budgets!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
The Largest Bailout in Histroy That was Bush and Paulsons one. Remember Paulson on his Knees begging Nancy Pelosi for the Bailout? The one Mccain had to suspend his Campaign for to go to Washington to save the day
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Angie in PA ——- Last I checked 700 billion is less than 787 billion. Also, Bush blocked the release of the final $350 nless Obama agreed to it. So, I would contribute that to Obama. Bush blew as a prez, but put blame where it belongs, both parties.
Posted by: lfrichar | September 1, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
afmca, Angie in PA |
I agree, the right wing media monsters have poisoned public debate over healthcare reform with lies, misinformation and fear mongering.
Almost every MSM website now has an article on “Health Care Reform Myths” and these “myths” are all rightwing LIES, produced by Republican politicians and spread by the right wing radio/FOX empire. And who funds the rightwing? Not ordinary citizens, concerned over policy, but corporate interests concerned with profit over country. The corporations are ginning up fear to defeat reform and save their outrageous profits.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Amy in Maine
and people on the right are too gulliable to see this, Republicans do not care about ordinary Citizens struggling with Healthcare cost. because if they did they would be working with The Democrats and President instead of fear mongering and Working for the Insurance compainies. Spreading lies that the Insurancy Compaines are paying them to spread!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
The Democrats are being crushed under the weight of their own hubris like the GOP with Bush, and you still don’t want to look in the mirror and blame “useful idiots” like Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al. Folks this is what incompetence looks like. Next election if you want this BS to end, just vote 3rd party. THEY will actually DO something!!!
Posted by: jafo | September 1, 2009, 11:33 am 11:33 am
The dems say they are for the poor and people in need? Lets see, fuel tax is up, cigg tax is out of this world poor persons smoke, general sales tax is up, they want to tax soft drinks, foods considered junk, health care tax on your benifits,income tax increase to come they say and tax for health care out of your pay check. Wow, really helping everyone are they not. Thats all you hear out of them is helping the under previlaged. They sure are helping them stay down. That extra 100.00 a month you thought you had is now turned over in taxes to Obama and company.
Posted by: Jim Rod | September 1, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
jafo
Even Bobby Jindal has said that FEMA has turned around under this administration. Obama appointed a Republican from Florida, the former head of their disaster response team, and he is highly competent and well regarded. Yup, Obama, can reach across party lines for the sake of the country’s security. In the Obama administration we FINALLY see a return to competent governing.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Jim Rod
So don’t smoke and eat junk food. That would save us all alot of money in healthcare! And save your health and wallet too!
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
i love some of the folks cling to the notion that most americans want public heal;th care. get real its done and so much credibility has been lost that it will very hard to recover before 2010 elections. every american has seen how many jobs have not been created. most of all nancy pelosi and harry reids face on anything is a loser.thretening newspapers, calling people angry mobs, turning people in for emails. really?
Posted by: catman | September 1, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Angie in Pa sounds like Obama maniac in dusguise. The people have overwhelmingly spoken. We do not want any more government programs that keep piling debt ontop of debt. Period. We do not trust the Obama administration. Period. We do not trust Pelosi, Reid Franks, Dodd. Period. We are tired of being called names every time we don’t agree with the left attemp at power-grabbing. We cannot trust a president who has radical communists in his cabinet.
Posted by: bo | September 1, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Just this morning, I was thinking how the new healthcare reform bill is almost exactly what Nixon proposed in 1970. Now, Republicans called it “socialism” – imagine! Today’s Republicans calling Nixon a socialist. Now that’s a Party that has moved to the far right.
Posted by: Amy in Maine
Thatis the same healthcare scenario that Teddy Kennedy said was not enough and he turned it down!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
@Posted by: bo | Sep 1, 2009 11:55:02 AM
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The piling ‘debt on debt’ BS is geared to entice those with little knowledge and big generalizations on complicated issues.
The question Bo is HOW the funds are spent, and for what purpose.
p.s.: your following statements are conflicting:
“We are tired of being called names every time we don’t agree with the left attemp at power-grabbing. We cannot trust a president who has radical communists in his cabinet.”
Posted by: gus amaral | September 1, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
it really doesn’t matter how many GOP following dolts scream out against their own self-interests.
you have no power.
Posted by: ytF1976 | September 1, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
and to think that they tried to rush this before the people could wake up. as if nancy pelosi knows whats good for you and me. they totally rushed the stimulus bill and tried it with this. fool me once shame on you. cap and trade. get real.peole need jobs now, tax relief now, payroll tax relief now. the dems basically said we dont care how bad things are we won and this is what ere gonna do. big mistake. create one private sector job please.
Posted by: catman | September 1, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Base Republicans react more to emotion to fact.
Base Republicans do not understand the balance of public/private entitiies throught our society.
Base Republicans can be manipulated time and time again.
Posted by: W. Stickney | September 1, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Going to a “No ‘Bamacare” rally on Thursday Night! (Hope to see you there!)
Posted by: James Vetzel | September 1, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
angie,
When Obama set up his foolish deadline of early august, no one in congress had read the entire bill and many openly admitted it.
Why was there such a rush to pass something that is NOT a healthplan anyway. It is a flawed guideline!
After all the sky is falling panic that this administration has been living on, they wanted to rush to pass a bill no one fully understood (HENCE THE DEMS INABILITY TO EXPLAIN IT!!!). Abill that once passed would give the Sec H&HS 18 MONTHS to come up with an intial set of benefits! 18 Months!!!
Why not just define the basics in terms ALL Americans can CLEARLY understand and then put together the coverages and the price structures. THEN VOTE ON IT!
It is insane to create yet another legislative beast that we find out AFTER the fact has all these holes and language that was crerated from the beginning to be intrepreted in many ways!
That is why Americans have stood up against the thing. The Dems had it all and just ASSUMED that the American people who followed like dead zombies no matter what they created.
Opps….The People woke up and realize this administration is having SERIOUS ISSUES with its “forecasts & projections”.
By the way, Obama has already said he wont sign it if it adds just one dime to deficit.
Can’t wait to see how the worm turns on this one!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Republicans would have long ago killed the Medicare – which offends their ideology – if it were politically possible. after all, senoirs have come to rely upon government programs such as Social Security & Medicare.
but they tolerate Medicare because it assumes the costs for a population that requires the most care and – most important to the GOP – ensures that government subsidizes the profits from insurance companies coverage of healthier populations.
The truth is that, intending to honor our moral obligations to seniors, taxpayers are protecting private insurance company profits!
Posted by: K | September 1, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
In the Obama administration we FINALLY see a return to competent governing.
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LOL….yep…new liberal definition for competent…..
Only off by 2 TRILLION dollars on deficit projections….
Pass the stimulator and unemployment will not go above 8%…Now they are talking about near 10% rate for most of next year!
its ok…thay are “competent”….they just KEEP mis-reading & mis-calculating.
But HEY, TRUST EM…They “KNOW” they can add millions of people to the system, cut costs, not ration services, and NOT add one dime to the deficit.
Yep…just TRUST EM !!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Well, isn’t this report a ray of sunshine. Actually, it’s riddles with generalizations and opinions with just enough facts to give it a glow of legitimacy.
Thanks for the summary.
Posted by: Waysie | September 1, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Mike_C
It took Republicans eight years to dig us into the hole, it might take Obama a little over eight months to get us out. All indications are, he saved us from a Depression, which is where we headed in 2008. I think the Obama team is doing a great job.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Amy in Maine – Do you know what happened to the plan Nixon proposed? Ding – Ding – Ding -if you guessed that the Democrats squashed it, you would be correct! So don’t come here playing that game.
Posted by: Dandydonmc | September 1, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
I have great confidence in Obama. He is up to the task of being a great president for the country. What we need to do is give him the support he needs. It is not fair that the Republicans are the obstructionists.
Posted by: what667 | September 1, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I have great confidence in Obama. He is up to the task of being a great president for the country. What we need to do is give him the support he needs. It is not fair that the Republicans are the obstructionists.
Posted by: what667
Yet another clueless, uninformed liberal whining and crying like a baby…..
Wakeup “what667″ … DEMS can do DO whatever they want…Ther eis no such thing as Republican obstructionism! They DO NOT have the votes!!! You can do simple math can’t you (Opps, silly question of a liberal).
It is the Dems who have squandered their postion and their trust with the American people. They have tried ot play word games and the great “Guess What The Legislation Really Says” Game.
Like so many things in the current administration, they mis-read & miscalculated the reaction of the American People (Especially Independents!!!!)
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
rightbehind wrote:
“You have less than 1% of the population that want to control the other 99%. The majority of this nation want strong public health care. We are more determined than ever for public health care.”
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Even if you are basically correct, the reforms in Congress are not offering “public” health insurance – they’re relying on the private insurers, whose CEO’s would be fired if they can’t increase profits at a 15% annual rate. That’s why private insurers don’t fit with affordable healthcare. I think all people should be provided basic health care. But the REAL solution would be, as Harry Truman tried, to put the entire country on Medicare and let the private insurers provide supplemental, prescription, vision, and dental insurance.
Posted by: The_Mick | September 1, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Amy,
I too am 50 yrs old. I have worked most of my professional life in and around government agencies/programs.
I have helped out a couple of campaigns as well. One Republican, one independent. I have posted here hundreds of times that the problems we face today are the by product of faulty choices by politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle.
YOU on the other hand cannot go a hour out here with out dragging the fundamental Liberal Talking points up. It happens EVERY day here with you.
It sucks that someone else here is going to call you on the carpet for it!
8 yrs of “Bush’s Policies” did NOT create this. Good people with a clear understanding of how our government works and the flaws it has KNOW this.
It is foolish people like you who just want to play partisan politics with everything that are actually hurting real progress.
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
cobraman2001 | Sep 1, 2009 9:16:57 AM
The answer to your question is: that the democrats are funded by trial-lawyers and they don’t want to p… them off, according to Howard Dean.
Posted by: Lizzie | September 1, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
obama may want a bi partisain bill….bbbutt nancy doesnt. obama needs to do a bill clinton and dive hard right to the middle.JOBS JOBS JOBS. these jobs will only be sustainable if created by the private sector. which means tax cuts and credits for employing people. obama needs to dump pelosi and reid and drive a moderate agenda. have you been to san francisco lately? that ought to tell you something
Posted by: catman | September 1, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Well, it’s really not supposed to be about Republicans or Democrats..they are both supposed to serve the American people. It’s the American people who are losing by this rampant partisanship.
Posted by: leogorky | September 1, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Republicans chortled they would make this his Waterloo
YET ANOTHER LIE!
One guy said that….And in the land of liberals, that constitutes a mob & a right-wing conspiracy!
LOL…keep going Amy, you just proving my point more & more with Every Post!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Healthcare bill is dead. Except for a few Barney Franks, who in the HofR is going to be dumb enough to vote for it now? Pelosi and her empty threats can’t bail this out. Unless there’s a facade of Bipartisonship in the Senate, a third of the Democrats won’t touch it with a 40 foot pole. Threaten reconciliation and lose what little Republican support there is. Don’t promise reconciliation and the “nuclear option” then the Democratic members of the HofR get cold feet. Healthcare is dead,
Posted by: betsy | September 1, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
I think we need to scrap a good bit of government and give the American people direct control over it and the law-making process. Turn our nation into a real democracy like ancient Athens, Greece, and require everyone to participate. It is possible today with computers and the Internet. (Also, require employers to give employees an extra day off per week to devote to government.) This is the only way to achieve true “Rule by the People”. No more disappointment in our leaders; *we* are the leaders!
Posted by: knowerseeker | September 1, 2009, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
MIKE C
8 Years of Bushies Policies did create a mess Not to Mention 14 years of a Republican full majority congress yup can you do the Math?
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
its not nice to try to fool the american people….and get caught.its not nice to demonize desenters. the credibility game was lost during the recess and can only be won back by performing good deeds.
Posted by: catman | September 1, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
MIKE C
Cmon you know Republicans held the Majority of congress during Clinton,Bush held the White House for 8 years, and Republicans held congress 6 Years of those 8. And even when the Democrats regained control in 06, It still was not a Majority and Bush was the King of Veto!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
MIKE C
One more thing Just because Obamas approval ratings are slipping doesnt mean the Republicans are gaining they are still at 30 percent hardly enough to win elections!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Republican Senators are telling audiences that America has the finest health care system in the world, that there’s really no problem and that even if there is, we can’t afford to do anything–except maybe bar people from suing for malpractice.
Somewhere between 18,000 and 23,000 people are dying every year in America because they don’t have health insurance–or don’t have “adequate” health insurance–or lose their job and then their health insurance, because they’re sick.
That’s somewhere between six and almost eight times as many people as the number who died on 9/11—And then the Republicans were falling over each other to launch two wars–one of which wasn’t just optional-it was utterly unjustified–and arguing that when it comes to making war–money is no object.
Posted by: Don D. | September 1, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
If Politicians spent less time on HYPE and more effort SOLVING the issues, perhaps real progress might begin.
The Health Care system needs much more than just financial considerations and availability.
What about consideration of higher taxes on low quality junk foods, and lower taxes on fresh high quality organic health foods for both health and budget improvements?
Much more also needs to be done to see that the professionals providing the care are actually qualified professionals and they are using their skills to HEAL, not just line their own pockets at the expense of hurting others.
There also is a great need for better availability of the information on HOW to locate the quality care physicians and to know how to tell the difference between a doctor that wants to HEAL and one that is just going through the motions. The need is for everyone that is not “wealthy” to have this necessary information.
There was a suggestion made that should be available on the net to EVERYONE for a Database of ALL Doctors, making particular note of who are guilty of malpractice and/or loss of medical license. Additionally, strong notes should be added on other significant complaints inclusive of patients conditions being exacerbated, or new problems emerging, as a result of their treatment, or if it’s from a lack of treatment.
Posted by: Jessica T | September 1, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
MIKE C
What do the Republicans offer for Healthcare Reform? I have not heard nothing out of them. What did they do about our Rising Healthcare cost and Rising health Insurance while they owned the Goverment? I am all for Bi- Partisan, I wish we could have people in Washington working together for the good of our country and our People Instead of acting like 5 year olds President Obama has Offered to work with the Republicans even while there out there lying and fear mongering he still wants to be Bi Partisan. But once again republicans prove ITS THEIR WAY OR NO WAY!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 1, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“YET ANOTHER LIE!
One guy said that….And in the land of liberals, that constitutes a mob & a right-wing conspiracy!”
And that “one guy” was who? Some wild eyed commentary on FOx? A former Alaska Governor tweeting away?
No. Sen. Jim DeMint, Republican Senator from S.C. “If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
America…. an experiment in Contradictions: “Leaders of the Free World”, “A Democracy of Equality for All”, “World Leader in Human Rights”, “Where Morality is couched in Judeo-Christian Values”, “The “Honest Brokers” to the World” while we Openly disagree on Major International Law Issues.
Where is our Dignity, Where is our Pride? Over time the Moral Compass of America has deteriorated into a state of increasing decay. We have acquiesced to LIES from our Elected and Ex-Elected Officials – now and in the past, without questioning. And that provides us the platform on which we find America today. We are a society at a state where NOT ONLY do we Allow our Elected Officials to LIE to us……. We Encourage their Lies, We Desire their Lies… and Yes We Accept Their Lies!!!
How then, do we expect to be viewed globally, in this Age of Instant Electronic Information? And where do we really expect Our Country’s Moral Compass to be, when we engage With Our Friends around the World?
Posted by: bobj72 | September 1, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Remember, the Public Option is not FREE..everyone will pay…and if you do not pay….they will fine you…so those of you who think this is free..read my lips…nothing is FREE! And your quality of health care will be considerably less…no more second opinions, no costly operations..take a pill! And Obama said that with his own mouth!! But then again, everytime Obama opens his mouth…he show’s the world how ignorant he is of his own health plan..among other things!
Posted by: ross | September 1, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Amy.
You said…AND I QUOTE
“Republicans chortled they would make this his Waterloo”
One guy said that. I said at the time it was a stupid comment to make.
You take one guy’s statement and turn into Republicans.
Now…WHO IS LYING?
Angie,
As ALWAYS you refuse to read even when someone puts the text in front of your eyes.
One issue liberals may, jusy may be starting to turn around on a little that Republicans have been touting since the early part of the year is Tort Reform.
I have stated my positon here dozens of times. I want to see someone (By the way..I DON’t CARE which party!!!) to get up on the floor of the either the house or the senate with a one of those nice big charts that shows a medical bill from an ER, from a standard office visit for a yearly physical, from a hospital for an appendix operation, from a rehab facility for services to recover from a leg or hand injury.
I want to see a complete breakdown of that makes up each line item in those bills.
Then & ONLY then will we ALL have a common starting point to have REAL debate & discussions on how to “control costs”.
The American people are tired of all the elitist BS about how cost are going to be controlled when NO ONE really understands Why a $1200 ER visit costs $1200.
This is what BOTH sides of this debate should have been doing for the past months. Then the people would have had a CLEAR place from which to move forward.
Simply tossing the whole ball of wax into a government bureaucracy is not going to end up controlling costs.
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs…thats what americans care about right now. quit wasting our time on cap and bull and free health care. we need jobs and to cut government spending and put an end to illegal immigration. its time to take care of americans.
Posted by: catman | September 1, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Amy & Angie
Before you proclaim Republicans “dead”, you may want to go look at
realclearpolitics
take a tlook at how the races are shaping up.
BTW, 2 governor races THIS November…both going to go Republican!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 1, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
i see green shoots. i see a new industry created with green technology. i see everyone with the same health care as congress. i see all of this being paid for by 5% of the people. i see a harvard lawyer who did not take an economics or math class.
Posted by: catman | September 1, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
DEMS might have big ideas. But it would have to wait for a Republican president and a Republican congress to implement them.
Posted by: Judy | September 1, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Judy
Well, if history is any judge, a Democratic President WILL be able to implement change.
FDR created Social Security, and President Johnson implemented Medicare. So never fear, President Obama will get healthcare reform done.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 1, 2009, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Health care reform will pass.
Posted by: we'r1 | September 1, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Of cource Obama underestimated everything…what else would you expect for someone with amount of experience? As to the war….let the Pentagon run the war have the politician do what they do best stay on the side lines.
Posted by: cobraman2001 | September 1, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
It has been reported in WP that the jobless rate in Washington DC have gone down instead of going up in most other cities or counties including those around DC. Does this mean much bigger government than before under the new administration to take control of the financial, automobile industries, stimulus spending and possibly health care and energy industries?
Posted by: austin | September 2, 2009, 7:38 am 7:38 am