The Note: New New Phase — Team Obama promises new tune, again
By RICK KLEIN It’s just a matter of bipartisanship, while staying true to the base. It’s about 60 votes, except when it’s about 50. The public option is a must — or it must be gone. In which case it’s better to have nothing at all — or to take whatever he can get. The perfect may or may not be the enemy of the good, but a vacuum is a natural enemy of Washington. And that’s where we see President Obama right now — cramped by the latest new polls, August having been at best a wash, stuck in a health care rut. Cue David Axelrod, who uses a round of interviews to vow a new White House tack: It’s time, he says, for specifics — sort of, and soon-ish. “Faced with falling approval ratings and increasingly impatient with Senate negotiations, Obama is considering a speech in the next week or so in which he would be ‘more prescriptive’ about what he feels Congress must include in a health bill, top adviser David Axelrod said Tuesday in an interview,” the AP’s Chuck Babington writes. “The speech might occur before the Sept. 15 deadline the White House gave Senate negotiators to seek a bipartisan bill.” Team Obama has always been a bit better about telegraphing the strategic shifts than in following through — or in following a new course once it’s publicly selected. (How many interviews did Axelrod or Obama himself give in 2008 to send the message that the campaign was about to get tougher? And what happened to attacking insurance companies, or making the moral case for health reform, or focusing on consumer protections?) Welcome to the fall concert series: “We’re entering a new season,” Axelrod told Politico’s Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei. “It’s time to synthesize and harmonize these strands and get this done. We’re confident that we can do that. But obviously it is a different phase. We’re going to approach it in a different way. The president is going to be very active.” What won’t be on his list of demands — cue the left: (This from an “aide” — and what are the chances it’s an aide who’s at odds with Axelrod?) “We have been saying all along that the most important part of this debate is not the public option, but rather ensuring choice and competition. . . . There are lots of different ways to get there.” What will be, per The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder: “He plans to list specific goals that any health insurance reform plan that arrives at his desk must achieve, according to Democratic strategists familiar with the plan. Some of these ‘goals’ have already been agreed to, including new anti-discrimination restrictions on insurance companies. Others will be new, including the level of subsidies he expects to give the uninsured so they can buy into the system. Obama will also specify a ‘pay for’ mechanism he prefers, and will specify an income level below which he does not want to see taxed.” Remembering the Mainers: “Democrats hope to persuade the public that Republicans are to blame for the stalemate and shift opinion in favor of an overhaul. They want to build enough momentum to win support from a small number of moderate Republicans, in particular the two senators from Maine,” Jonathan Weisman reports in The Wall Street Journal. Axelrod: “If you want to move the ball forward…being much more prescriptive is one of the things on the table.” “An Oval Office address, the first of Obama’s presidency, or a speech to a joint session of Congress are also being considered,” Bloomberg’s Julianna Goldman reports. Stirring up the Obama army, again: “Over the past few months, two things have become clear about the fight for health insurance reform,” Organizing for America director Mitch Stewart writes in an e-mail to supporters, per ABC’s Jake Tapper. “1. Our opponents will create and spread outrageous lies to try to stop President Obama from creating real change. 2. We just can’t count on the media to debunk them.” Among the problems with a new strategy: It’s not like the president hasn’t been talking about health care already, and extensively. “Since taking office, President Obama's approval ratings have fallen more steeply than any other newly elected president in modern history,” Tapper reported Wednesday on “Good Morning America.” “Currently at 50 percent job approval in the Gallup daily tracking poll, if President Obama dips any lower before November, his would be the second-fastest drop below majority approval of any elected president since World War II — behind only Bill Clinton.” Slate’s John Dickerson: “Maybe the president's problem is not that he didn't link health care reform to personal security but that he did make the case and he's just not getting through.” Robert Reich, at Salon: “Obama and progressive supporters of health care were outmaneuvered in August — not because the right had any better idea for solving the health care mess but because the rights' attack on the Democrats' idea was far more disciplined than was the Democrats' ability to sell it.” Dan Balz, in The Washington Post: “At a time when the president needs unity among his supporters, they are divided. How high a price will Obama have to pay to try to reunify the Democrats, and will he follow them or will they follow him?” “The concern for Obama as Congress prepares to return is that lawmakers who are already looking ahead toward the 2010 midterm elections may be less willing to follow the president than they were six or eight months ago, when he was seen as the transformational winner of a historic election riding a mandate for change,” Balz continues. The new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll has 53 percent of independents disapproving of the president’s job performance. Plus: “the president still gets majority support on foreign affairs and terrorism, but a majority now disapprove of how he has handled health care, taxes, the economy and the budget deficit.” And: “The McClatchy/Ipsos poll found continuing opposition to Democratic health care proposals — 45 percent opposed and 40 percent supporting — and served as another reminder to Obama that he needs to find a way to reframe the debate if he's to win public and congressional support for a health care overhaul,” McClatchy’s Steven Thomma reports. Hopeful sign, in the optimism? “Even after the tough town-hall-style meetings, unrelenting Republican assaults and a steady stream of questions from anxious voters, interviews with more than a dozen Blue Dogs and their top aides indicate that many of the lawmakers still believe approval of some form of health care plan is achievable and far preferable to not acting at all,” Carl Hulse reports in The New York Times. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel: “For the lion’s share of Democratic members of Congress, this isn’t about looking for a way to make this disappear. . . . This is about trying to find common ground for a yes vote.” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., is confident as well — because, he says, he knows Senate rules: “The fact of the matter is there is a rule that provides for the majority of the United States Senate to pass a health care bill. The majority of the Senate is Democratic,” Hoyer said at a town-hall forum Tuesday night in Waldorf, Md., per ABC’s Teddy Davis. “Under the rules of the Senate, they can pass health care,” he added. “It is not ramming it through.” The Boston Globe’s Lisa Wangsness and Sasha Issenberg: “Democrats are increasingly looking at Plan B: a politically risky, last-ditch ‘nuclear option’ designed to ram their proposals through over the objections of the other party.” While big labor just-about threatens its own… Of Democrats who oppose a public option, “We will continue to push it and say to them: 'Do so at your peril,” AFL-CIO secretary treasurer Richard Trumka told Davis. Get-away day: President Obama departs the White House at 11 am ET, headed to Camp David for the holiday weekend. Wednesday night, progressive groups including MoveOn.org, Democracy for America, and Health Care for American Now are sponsoring some 350 vigils — expecting 50,000 attendees — to “honor Americans who are currently suffering under the existing health care system and demonstrate the urgent need for health care reform with a real public health insurance option,” per the release. The vigils will include a memorial to Sen. Ted Kennedy. The clips that will be played at the events are HERE. Town hall of the day is in Allentown, Pa., Wednesday night: It’s Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Pa., vs. former Rep. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., in a possible preview of next fall’s Senate matchup, debating health care. Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales lines up against former Vice President Dick Cheney: “As chief prosecutor of the United States, [Attorney General Eric Holder] should make the decision on his own, based on the facts, then inform the White House,” Gonzales said Tuesday on The Washington Times' “America's Morning News” radio show. Obama’s war: “U.S. officials are planning to add as many as 14,000 combat troops to the American force in Afghanistan by sending home support units and replacing them with ‘trigger-pullers,’ Defense officials say,” the Los Angeles Times’ Julian E. Barnes reports. “The move would beef up the combat force in the country without increasing the overall number of U.S. troops, a contentious issue as public support for the war slips. But many of the noncombat jobs are likely be filled by private contractors, who have proved to be a source of controversy in Iraq and a growing issue in Afghanistan.” The president formally receives the McChrystal report Wednesday: “Unlike his reading list for the beaches of Martha’s Vineyard, the President has a little heavier read on his hands,” ABC’s Sunlen Miller reports. Meanwhile, in Iraq: “The State Department has extended a contract with controversial private security firm Blackwater, ABC News has learned. The contract was due to expire this month,” ABC’s Kirit Radia reports. “Sources say the department has agreed to temporarily continue using the subsidiary known as Presidential Airways to provide helicopter transport for embassy employees around Iraq until a new contract with another security company, Dyncorp International, is fully implemented. Presidential Airways is an arm of U.S. Training Center, which is a subsidiary of the company Xe, formerly and still commonly known as Blackwater.” In Massachusetts, first in the pool — and the frontrunner until or unless there’s a Kennedy in the race: “Attorney General Martha Coakley yesterday took out nomination papers to run for the Senate seat of Edward M. Kennedy, the opening salvo in what promises to be a fierce five-month-long race,” Frank Phillips and Matt Viser report in The Boston Globe. “Other potential candidates continued to tap dance around the issue, holding private conversations but giving no public indication of their intentions, as they awaited word on whether a Kennedy would enter the race. Former US representative Joseph P. Kennedy II is said to be eyeing a run, but it is not at all clear he will. Some associates say he is sounding like a candidate; others say he is expressing some reservations.” Fighting on, in South Carolina: “South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, stung by political attacks over his extramarital affair with an Argentine woman, said in his first extended interview since June that he no longer wants to ‘crawl into a cave’ and will fight to keep his job in the face of mounting public opposition,” The Wall Street Journal’s Valerie Bauerlein reports. “I have a newfound level of humility, knowing how hard I work and how hard I push is not the ultimate driver of change,” he said in the interview Monday. “Power resides with people.” (And: “Mr. Sanford described himself as ‘zen-like.’ ” 2012 stirrings: “While he remains publicly coy about the possibility of another White House bid, Mitt Romney’s calendar tells a very different story,” Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports. “From returning to a key early primary state to delivering an address before a social conservative conference and reuniting with members of his campaign-in-waiting, Romney is scheduled to spend a good deal of his September in a fashion befitting a man very much interested in running for president.” Why Mike Huckabee is mixing it up: “Nice guys finish last — at least that seems to be the lesson Mike Huckabee has learned from losing the 2008 GOP presidential nomination,” Newsweek’s Holly Bailey writes. “What’s interesting is the big picture here: Huckabee's own political evolution from nice-guy candidate into fighting conservative looking to tap into GOP anger over the Obama presidency.” Not overboard yet: “Speaker Nancy Pelosi will let Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) keep his chairmanship despite his failing to report hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets on federal disclosure forms, according to Democratic aides,” The Hill’s Alexander Bolton reports. Thought card-check was dead? “The Workforce Fairness Institute (WFI) today announced that local business and community leaders across the country will be conducting events in an effort to speak out against the anti-democratic and job-killing Employee ‘Forced’ Choice Act (EFCA). These local leaders will communicate that EFCA violates the right of workers to have a voice in contract negotiations, will harm small businesses, and a vote for cloture is a vote in favor of this job-killing legislation, whether it’s the bill as introduced or any so-called ‘compromise.’ Events will take place in Arkansas, Colorado, Maine, Louisiana, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.”
The Kicker: “Of course. . . . As you noticed, our team came in second.” — Tom Ridge, asked whether he’d ever wished that Sen. John McCain had chosen him as his running mate last year. “Sneeze into your arm with Elmo.” — Elmo, enlisted in the Obama administration’s war on H1N1 flu.
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This is not about “changing” policy or approaches to reform, it’s simply an effort to tweak the message to cut through the piles of horrible distractions that the GOP and conservatives have tossed out specifically to confuse folks and clutter the dialogue.
Posted by: matt | September 2, 2009, 8:28 am 8:28 am
It’s “what shade of lipstick will sell
this pig.”
Posted by: Trajan | September 2, 2009, 8:56 am 8:56 am
What does the GOP have to do with it? Why do liberals continue to confuse folks, create piles of distractions talking about the GOP when the Democrats have control of both houses of congress and the executive branch? It’s absurd.
There is one reason why health care reform is facing such resistance from Americans across the political spectrum and that is that Obama has failed to be forthright on this topic. He’s promised that costs will be controlled, everyone will be covered, we’ll be able to keep our insurance but also have government offering their own plan that will somehow stoke competition. He’s promised something for everyone (all without actually having a plan), with no negatives and no sacrifices for anyone.
Americans, aside from the most indoctrinated liberals, are smart enough to see Obama’s health care plan (or lack of) for what it is – insincere political glad handing. And Americans are not buying it. This approach of vagueness and telling everyone what they want to hear might have worked during the election. It doesn’t work when creating laws.
Posted by: The Obnoxious American | September 2, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am
I would rather a good bill fail than have a bad bill pass. Vote public health care straight up or down. We win either way. The 2010 elections are just 14 months away with just the right amount of time to find replacements for yellow dog democrats. If it fails we clean our ranks and go for single payer in 2011. Bring on the vote!
Posted by: rightbehind | September 2, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Lib media would have us believe that the recent improvement in economic data is the result of the stimulus bill (little of which has been spent to date). Now, Obama’s team is concerned about ratings instead of the actual reform being batted around. There isn’t even a specific plan being presented to the American people yet alone for a vote, but somehow the GOP still gets the blame for lack of progress. What good is the super-majority of the Left?
Posted by: s | September 2, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
“Organizing for America director Mitch Stewart writes in an e-mail to supporters, per ABC’s Jake Tapper. “1. Our opponents will create and spread outrageous lies to try to stop President Obama from creating real change. 2. We just can’t count on the media to debunk them.”
YES! I totally agree. This is what I have been saying for months. The MSM has done a TERRIBLE job of talking about the specifics of health care reform, instead they serve as a vehicle to spread lies (how many times did they reprint Palin’s “death panel” tweet?)
Broadcast News of course does a better job of reporting visual stories, like hysterical voters at town halls, rather than explaining the complexites of policy, like the specifics of the healthcare bill. Nuts like me have to dig and google to get to the facts – normal people turn on the tube and take what they get for news there, which is not very deep, from that channel,
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am
There’s only one way Washington can make a decision: without the GOP in the room.
Posted by: newz4i | September 2, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
I don’t care what the new tune is. I care what the bill says. I urge everyone to read it. What the President claims the bill will or won’t do doesn’t match what the proposed bill actually says.
Posted by: Diana | September 2, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Why does this sound familiar? “1. Our opponents will create and spread outrageous lies to try to stop President Obama from creating real change. 2. We just can’t count on the media to debunk them.” Isn’t this an echo from the playbook of the tyrants that rule Iran, Venezuela, etc… Organize the “Obama Army”? This is too reminiscent of an era the world had hoped to never repeat. Private political armies, political youth indoctrination, intimidation from “community organizers”, Union/Mob bosses threatening representatives of citizens that do not tow the line of the establishment, czars that lay the framework and write legislation to establish their legitimacy. America and its freedoms are being hijacked by a political movement that had until now covered itself in sheep’s apparel.
Posted by: TX_MBell | September 2, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
“How do you tell when a Democrat is lying?” Just watch to see when his lips move.
Posted by: Ray Roark | September 2, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
” 2. We just can’t count on the media to debunk them.”
Oh Look! The Obamacamp is finally admitting openly that the Media is their accomplice in all this.
Now you know my fellow Americans: It’s Official! This country no longer have objective/free press, but just advocacy journalism. No wonder why Hugo Chavez is so concerned; he now almost look to the right of Obama when it comes to control of the press…that must hurt Mr. Chavez!
Posted by: tammy1221 | September 2, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
It is unfortunate that NBC, CBS, and ABC, with the exception of John Stossel and Jake Tapper are unable to provide true reporting and have given up journalistic integrity when it comes to Obama. All three networks are vying for the official State Run News network, 1 will win and the other 2 will wither on the vine. Don’t say you weren’t warned, when your networks go the way of the dinosaur you will have no one to blame but yourself, Obama, and some of his Marxist czars. Pro Obama supporters have to be paid to support him, the real story is about average non reimbursed Americans, speaking up against this tyrannical government and oppresive dictates. The networks need to speak the truth and not mimic Cuban or Venezulan media constraints.
Posted by: Downwithsocialism | September 2, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Downwithsocialism
I agree, Jake Tapper and John Stossel are anti-Democratic Party partisans. In the old days, journalists strove for objectivity and just reporting the facts. These days, let’s face it, we choose our news media according to our political leanings. I only read “The Punch” if I feel up to being punched in
the stomach. I watch Rachel Maddow when I want to feel someone smart is on my side.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am
When is President Obama going to Realize the Republicans dont want to work with him? They want to Destroy him now I appreciate him wanting to be Bi- Partisan as it should be. but he is dealing with a bunch of Republicans that dont care about anything but regaining power and tearing him down perhaps his ratings are falling because hes spending to much time trying to work with republicans meanwhile they are stabbing him in the back with lies, fear mongering, mis information, He needs to realize who put him in the White House not the Republicans President Obama you are smarter then this DROP THE REPUBLICANS THEY AINT COMING ON BOARD! The time has come to play hard ball TOUGHEN UP!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 2, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am
“Cramped” in the polls? Is that the All Barack Channels new lingo for TANKING?
Posted by: MBNA Joe | September 2, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
This is not about “changing” policy or approaches to reform, it’s simply an effort to tweak the message to cut through the piles of horrible distractions that the GOP and conservatives have tossed out specifically to confuse folks and clutter the dialogue.
Posted by: matt
Hey Matt,
If the idiots wrote the Bills in CLEAR & CONSISE language instead of legalese that leaves it open to intrepretation even by laywers, they would not have to worry about “being on message”
What you liberals refuse to accept on this entire issue is that the American People have had enough of it.
They no longer want to watch politicians (Of EITHER PARTY) purposely write legislation that is open to many intrepretations. Now, really for the first time I would say everyday people are taking a good long look at these bills. what they see is a very porposeful method to create legislation that they can promote one way & implement in other way.
You can flip-flop the parties and the result would be same right now.
Obama wanted to bring change, the old saying is very, very true: Careful What You Wish For – You May Get It!
The American People are now demanding “change”. Politicians on BOTH sides better be listening and doing more than paying it the usual “lip service”.
Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
nATALE FROM MASS
?????? What? And no I dont live in the back woods I live in the Suburbs of Philly can you name one Republican willing to reach across the asile to compromise? just name one that is willing to work with the president or Democrats?
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 2, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Good gracious. What part of “NO” doesn’t Obama not understand. Leave our healthcare alone.
Posted by: NoMeansNo | September 2, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Angie,
As Always, you know not what you ‘speakith” about.
You do realize what the word compromise means right?
Orrin Hatch & McCain BOTH are more than willing to neogiate with dems on healthcare. So far, it has been much much a negotiation since Dems control the game…that is they do NOT have to negotiate.
Hence its their plan, thier problem if they can’t successfully explain it. This is what happens when you create something that even laywers disagree about the meaning of the sections.
If they really want to get the people on board, they need to go back start from the beginning and create a straight forward, clear & consise bill without all the trap doors and loop holes the politicians from BOTH sides have been building into legislation for years!
Liberals are missing the point here completely, this IS the moment of change that everyday americans really want. The “change” is is a serious kick in the @ss to ALL politicians to stop all the BS and create legislation that every american can understand without spending retainer fees!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Mike_C
Basically, what you’re saying is, if a bill is written in language that is above the sixth grade reading level, then it must be hiding something -”death panels” perhaps? Something that will “take away your freedom”?
Yours is a knee jerk reaction to change. The FOX Newses know just how to manipulate your fears. “It’s complicated!” they shout “be afraid!”
Of course the language is in legalese – ALL BILLS ARE WRITTEN IN THAT LANGUAGE!
Have you ever read a federal bill before?
Get educated! And I don’t mean listen to FOX NEWS and rightwing talk liar radio. These people are trying to sway you in a particular way – its called propaganda. Look for information from non-partisan sources, sources even YOU can trust, and you will be amazed at what this bill is really doing – it’s addressing the huge mess of fraud, waste, disorder and greed that is our current healthcare system.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
I’ll give you two. McCain and Hatch.
Posted by: TX_MBell | September 2, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
natale from mass.
I have pretty good health insurance too, thank God I’ve been healthy and haven’t had to test it.
My 30 year old nephew, on the other hand, has a serious condition from birth he made need surgery for. Up until recently he was covered by health insurance, but with the recession, his employer has stopped offering it. He is covered by COBRA now, and, believe me, it costs an arm and a leg. I bet if he didn’t know he had this condition, he wouldn’t bother paying for Cobra, he would just wing it, as most young people do who work in construction, retail, restaurants, the arts, and other jobs that do not offer employer funded health insurance. PS what if YOU lose your job? What if your employer drops insurance benefits? Did you know the cost is set to go UP?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
“Broadcast News of course does a better job of reporting visual stories, like hysterical voters at town halls, rather than explaining the complexites of policy, like the specifics of the healthcare bill. Nuts like me have to dig and google to get to the facts – normal people turn on the tube and take what they get for news there, which is not very deep, from that channel,”
Geez, Amy, want to read some lies and hysteria? Let me tell you a few (I’ll credit yesterday’s Washington Times):
In Portsmouth, N.H., a man carrying a gun, William Kostric, joined an Aug. 11 health care protest. This was blocks away and hours before Mr. Obama’s town-hall meeting in that city. Mr. Kostric was given permission to be on church property where the protest occurred and was not at the place the president visited. What most of the coverage left out was that Mr. Kostric didn’t carry his gun only for the protest; he legally carries a gun with him all the time for protection.
While the media regularly used terms such as “hotheads” to mischaracterize the situation, the coverage ignored that union members who opposed the protest had attacked Mr. Kostric and a friend, kicking, pushing and spitting on them. Despite violence against him by Mr. Obama’s supporters, Mr. Kostric did not draw his gun or threaten anyone.
On the CBS Evening News, Katie Couric asked, “Are we really still debating health care when a man brings a handgun to a church where the president is speaking?” Deliberately or not, she got the facts wrong. As we know, Mr. Kostric did bring a gun to the church, but the president was not there and never was scheduled to speak there. Mr. Obama spoke at a separate event at a local high school at a different time. Not letting facts get in the way of her hysterical story line, Ms. Couric linked Mr. Kostric’s gun to “fear and frankly ignorance drown[ing] out the serious debate that needs to take place about an issue that affects the lives of millions of people.”
MSNBC misrepresented the facts to try to back up a bogus claim about racism being behind opposition to Mr. Obama’s agenda. On Donny Deutsch’s Aug. 18 show about the Arizona town-hall meeting, the producers aired a clip of the anonymous black man carrying the so-called assault rifle — but the network edited the tape so the man’s race was obscured. Truth be damned, MSNBC anchor Contessa Brewer said, “There are questions whether this has a racial overtone. I mean, here you have a man of color in the presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists.” Another commentator on the same show worried about the “anger about a black person being president.” The supposed result: “You know we see these hate groups rising up.”
MSNBC misrepresented a black man carrying a gun as a white man to invent a racial dynamic that didn’t exist.
How ’bout them lies, Amy??? LOL
Posted by: ClintM | September 2, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Mike_C
Guess you missed the front page ogff the Wall Street Journal today:
“Government efforts to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy appear to be helping the U.S. climb out of the worst recession in decades.”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
don’t confuse Washington Times with The Washington Post.
The Washington Post is a Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper, well respected and known for its objectivity.
The Washington Times is a right wing paper, much as FOX is the broadcast propaganda arm of the Republican party.
Be careful where you get your “news.”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Oh, Amy, if you can’t comment on the facts, you just throw the mud, huh?
In fact, Couric DID say that. In fact, MSNBC did OBSCURE the man’s face so that he looked white.
In fact, they DID lie — this was reported many places.
Why, if a paper doesn’t agree with your political philosophy do you think they are trash? It’s called journalism. Something you see very little of any more.
Grow up, Amy.
Why not address these lies from the left? Or can’t you?
Posted by: ClintM | September 2, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Mccain and Hatch are willing to compromise really? Hatch Just said Sen Kennedys Passing has not Swayed his Decesion to go against the Healthcare reform Mccain wants to us to be put in a Risk Pool,I do not hear ONE REPUBLICAN Saying that we need to work together not one. They are too busy Lying and Fear mongering with Death Panels and Abortion and Illegal People being covered it would be Nice if they could come to the table with Ideas other then Tort reform! And I have asked time and time again Why Republicans did NOTHING About our Healthcare Problems when they had all the Power I GET NO ANSWERS!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 2, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
I have to agree with ClintM…. Amy in Maine, Angie in PA (are they the same?) have no credibility. You slam real news because you don’t want to take the time to get educated. You need to go to HuffPo.
YOU should be careful where you get your “news.” Because you don’t agree with it, doesn’t make it a lie, Amy, dear. Even if you think that’s the case.
Posted by: Don't_Bully_Me | September 2, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
MIKE C
Amy is right you sir are no Independent or Bi- Partisan you are so far to the Right and Partisan you have trouble seeing straight so quit your I am Independent non partisan bull go read your post!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 2, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
There’s the shrill one — Angie — Amy, whoever you are. Wondering where you’ve been….
Posted by: Don't_Bully_Me | September 2, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
I have watched Fox News I have watced Hannity and let me tell you they do not speak the truth FOX NEWS And Hannity HATE LIBERALS HATE THEM That is a Democrat Obama Hate fest news Channell!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 2, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
I happen to like CNN Msnbc are for Democrats and Fox is for Republicans CNN Is right in the Middle!
Posted by: Angie in PA | September 2, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
CNN’s comments regarding the tea party proves that they aren’t in the middle.
Posted by: stdntDrvr | September 2, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
” These people are trying to sway you in a particular way – its called propaganda.”
You’re right! Olbermann, Mathews, Couric, Maddow, Gibson, Stewart, Maher, and the remaining 99% of MSM…
I gather you’re talking about them correct?…since you talked of propaganda. Noone knows better state controlled propaganda thatn Hugo Chavez, and even him is worried that Obama may be taking ‘his’ top spot!
And about this Obama poll numbers: Democrats can rejoice. CBS numbers are ‘favorable’ to the One. They have him with a +21 favor vs unfavor. I think Mr Axelrod is already contacting his friends in the media to show ‘better’ poll numbers. It is either that, or Katy Couric must have had a nervous breakdown after seeing Obama’s plunging numbers in the other polls…and CBS must have put some kind of emergency fire-put-off in place…
Whatever!
Posted by: tammy1221 | September 2, 2009, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
ALL this confusion over health care could be avoided if only obama would pass ball off to REV JERIMAH I am sure he would have a few choice words to say!!!!
Posted by: rking | September 2, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Same plan just shift the words around ! Too little too late ,2010 is near!
Posted by: william | September 2, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
LOL…Amy & Angie….
AS ALWAYS…YOUR WRONG!
I am a registered INDEPENDENT!
It really is amazing how many assumptions you two make ans ALWAYS get it wrong!
Posted by: Mike_C | September 2, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
“I bet if he didn’t know he had this condition, he wouldn’t bother paying for Cobra, he would just wing it, as most young people do who work in construction, retail, restaurants, the arts, and other jobs that do not offer employer funded health insurance.”
Interesting comment — that’s one of the huge reasons there are a lot of uninsured. They are young — they want STUFF. Ipods, plasma tvs, high speed internet, expensive social life.
What they DON’T want is to have to pay for health insurance. They want someone else to pay for health insurance.
Posted by: jimj | September 2, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
ClintM
The Wall Street Journal has a right wing editotial board, however their news division is non-partisan, and is wel known for their reporting.
The Washington Times has a right wing editorial boeard AND a rightwing agenda in their news content, much as FOX News slants “the news” to spread the far right Republican message.
You are probably too young to remember where newspapers and broadcasters prided themselves on reporting the facts. Those days are gone. Now you have to be very careful who you cite as where you learned something. If you cite the Washington Times then most people know not to give you much credence.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Pardon my typing, trying to multi-task.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
ClintM | Sep 2, 2009 12:29:20 PM
You said; … “MSNBC misrepresented a black man carrying a gun as a white man to invent a racial dynamic that didn’t exist.”
How ’bout them lies, Amy??? LOL
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Giving you the benefit of doubt, “You Missed the CNN Interview the day following the President’s AZ Town Hall meeting.” The Local Interviewer, who was ALSO ARMED with a Holstered Pistol, ADMITTED THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW WAS STAGED, AS HE AND “CHRIS” (THE BLACK GUY CARRING THE ASSAULT RIFLE) have done interviews LIKE THIS BEFORE. (They knew each other quite well!!) They were Using the AZ “Right To Carry Law” to PROTEST AGAINST GOVERNMENT “Trampling on their 2nd Amendment Rights.” I awoke early Sunday morning to a major AM Radio “Talker” (about 4:30AM) saying; “The Interview “Event” was Staged by Obama Supporters, “Disguised” as members of “The Right”… to make them look like racist. (The Most Absurd conclusion ANYONE, with a minimum amount ot intelligence – might reach.) The “Talk Show Host” took 5 – 6 phone calls over a 30 minute span, AND NOT EVEN ONE (1) Caller, challenged the ridiculousness of the guy’s claim. (This is how THEY influence those who are under-educated and/or uninformed.) The evil and devisive “Wedge” they drive, WITH THE OBJECTIVE TO SEPARATE US ALL; Young vs Old, Black vs White, Illegals vs Legals, Majority vs Minorities, Informed vs Uninformed, Gay vs Straight, Rich vs Poor, Insured vs Uninsured……. THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING!!!
Posted by: bobj72 | September 2, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
ClintM
Furthermore…your claim of “left wing media bias” rests on a Katie Couric editorial decrying people bringing guns to town hall meetings, and another commentator speculating that there is more than a little racism in the town hall anti-Obama rantings (how quickly they forget the lady screeching about Obama’s birth certificate.) You try to tell us the guy wearing a gun to one of the protests always packs heat, like this makes it OK and NORMAL, and you object that reporters didn’t kake a big deal out of the fact one of the gun carriers was black. Ok, I’ll give you that one: ONE of the gun carriers was Black! And the reporters didn’t point that out. For shame! For shame! That makes all that gun toting, town hall screeching “time to water the tree of liberty” rhetoric, Palin death panel tweeting OK and NORMAL. Right !
Posted by: Amy in Maine | September 2, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
“You try to tell us the guy wearing a gun to one of the protests always packs heat, like this makes it OK and NORMAL’
What’s not normal about that? I take my pistol every where I go. And it’s perfectly legal.
Posted by: Get Real | September 2, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
The Dems controll Congress, the White House, have written the bill(s), and are in charge of selling it. PLUS they have a complicit media lining up to kiss Bam’s ass.
The Dems have no one to blame but themselves.
GOP lies derailed the plan??? If the
Dems have this much control in the legislature, AND the executive branch, AND are in charge of writing and selling the legislation, but are derailed by some “GOP media lies”, as they like to say, then the Dems are a pathetic bunch who, despite EVERY advantage, can’t even beat a couple of GOP guys putting misinformation out there. UTTERLY PATHETIC.
That is like the New England Patriots complaining that they can’t beat a Division 2 college team because the college team got busted for a few holding penalties.
JUST PATHETIC.
Posted by: Chris | September 2, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Chris | Sep 2, 2009 4:35:43 PM
You said; … “That is like the New England Patriots complaining that they can’t beat a Division 2 college team because the college team got busted for a few holding penalties.
JUST PATHETIC.”
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NOT PATHETIC, when you use a More Realistic COMPARISON… HOW ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS (Proponents) AND THE LIONS (Opponents)??? “Anything To Bring Obama Down. “His Waterloo!” … Especially obvious when the Opposition to Health Care Reform IS SPENDING MULTI-MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on Misinformation, Misrepresentation and Propaganda – “Selling Fear to Seniors”, the Uninformed & Under-educated as well as the “residual benefit” of INCITING that “Very small Element Out There that Hates the fact Our President is an African American.”
Posted by: bobj72 | September 2, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Everyone posting on this board should agree that health care needs reform. Republicans and Democrats need to come up with a bill that addresses major concerns and is revenue neutral For instance, most people agree people with pre-existing conditions should be able to get insurance, interstate competiton between health care companies would be good, cleaning up loophole for Medicare and Medicaid fraud needs to be adressed. its like the old adage – you need to crawl before your walk. Let’s begin crawling.
Posted by: PA Zman | September 2, 2009, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Amy in Maine: I’m hardly young — in my 60′s.
You castigate ME for quoting the Washington Times — say how it is right wing, can’t believe anything they say, etc.
Yet YOU in trying to shore up your point quote the Wall Street Journal?
Know who owns that, Amy? Same owners as Fox News! LOL
You can’t have it both ways, sweetheart.
Posted by: ClintM | September 2, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Rolling our Founding Fathers the, “Chicago Way”.
President Obama will use a joint session to Congress as part of his renewed sales job on health care.
The real question is where do all the 32 Czars sit? Front row? Next to, the Supreme Court Justices? In front of Cabinet Secretaries? Next to the right or more to the left hand of Speaker Pelosi, or on a large bench next to VP Biden? Perhaps up in the balcony next to the First Lady?
Mr. Speaker….the POTUS and his 32 Czars……Sure to give Chris Matthews a full blown tingle for sure.
Get your TIVO’s ready.
Posted by: William Wallace | September 2, 2009, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Leave Obama Alone..
Posted by: steve boss | September 3, 2009, 12:08 am 12:08 am