The President’s Promise Not to Insure Illegal Immigrants Isn’t as Simple as it Sounds

As the congressman said…

“YOU LIE!”

Heathcare for illegals not allowed in Health Reform Bill, But we will put it in in Immigration Bill. If I ever shake Obamas hand I will make sure to count my fingers after he walks away!

I’m sure Obama’s little buddies at the ACLU will be all out there getting the illegals signed up. Hell, the ACLU also makes sure illegal aliens can do pretty much what they want here otherwise…this administration is not on our side, get used to it.

Slippery guy, slippery governing style,
slippery use of language…..now where
did this “political Titan” gain his
skills? No one cares. But some DO think
we’re on a slippery slope. And more
than “some” question his policies.
This group may actually out-slick
the slickster in 2010 and 2012. They
are called intelligent voters….and
have NO affiliations with ACORN.

Posted by: Bill | Sep 17, 2009 9:14:40 PM
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Did you not notice the above article is not news at all, but speculation over what might happen . . . sometime . . . if . . . something else happens . . . which may never happen . .. and if it does happen . . . might not be the same as what is speculated . …
By the way, in polls close to 60% of the American people support the job the President is doing.

The President says he won’t extend health care benefits to illegal immigrants through the health care reform bill that he ultimately signs.
But he may do so indirectly through immigration reform.
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. . . he ‘MAY’ do so . . . ‘MAY’ – not that its accomplished, not that it will be accomplished, not that it’s about to be accomplished, not that the details have been put in place, not even that its really intended or imminent or possible . . only that he ‘MAY’ . .
This is supposed to be news?
And people are supposed to think this means he’s going to include illegal immigrants under the new health bill.
Learn to read.
Posted by: julieterra | Sep 17, 2009 9:13:11 PM
I’ll agree with you on one part, he MAY do something. That in itself is the biggest problem Obama has. He doesn’t stand for anything. Everything with him is grey matter. We don’t need a president leading the greatest country in the world constantly going “umm..umm…ahh, well ummm… we’re going to ummm…ahh…assess some things and uh, huummm, ah then we’ll reach across the aisle and ummm…” What is that all about??? The man is not looking for bipartisan anything. He throws something out there, waits for it to simmer, boil then blow up; questions are flying, answers are not; everybody is pointing fingers. So, where is Obama? Out of the picture with no comment. When things finally get to an out of control range, then “the Chosen One” rides in on his mighty steed and with the wave of his hand, calms down the masses and apologizes for not being more aggressive earlier. Oh, hail the Great One. He has come to part the lunatic massess and keep them from harming each other and then bring them together as one!!!
Funny how during his campaign he had everything under control. He had all the answers, he had all the new projects that he, as president, would inact, he would liberate the poor, bring down the rich, make the world love us, 1/2 the deficit, give health care to everyone!! Makes me dizzy!!!
Well, guess what. We are all poorer; the “rich” (small business owners) are having to lay off and close doors; appeasement has done wonders for our love factor; the deficit will cripple us for years and years and years to come; and no one even understands what the heck is in the so-called health care bill. Not to mention the race card factor being played in all of this.
Way to bring us all together with your hope and change Obama.

“in polls close to 60% of the American people support the job the President is doing.”
Tell the more than 5,000 people per week that are losing unemployment benefits and being moved to the welfare roles. I’m sure that’ll impress ‘em!

“…debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country.”
Deportation.

“Tell the more than 5,000 people per week that are losing unemployment benefits and being moved to the welfare roles. I’m sure that’ll impress ‘em!”
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It was the Recovery and Reinvestment Act of Obama that extended unemployment benefits – and yet the right wing bitches about that all the time.
So let’s see – the right wing bitches about the extended unemployment benefits and bitches when they run out . .. interesting.

“It was the Recovery and Reinvestment Act of Obama that extended unemployment benefits”
And how does WELFARE in the form of extended unemployment benefits and Medicaid create new jobs, eh, Julie? Please enlighten us.

Another lie from President Obama that ABC won’t question him about on Sunday.
On Special Report tonight, Brett Baier exposed Obama misrepresenting the outcome of the patient Obama said in his speech before Congress died because his insurance was canceled. Turns out, the patient’s insurance was reinstated, he received some kind of stem-cell treatment, and he lived another three years.
The White House responded that Obama was “essentially” correct on the facts.
Say what? Obama’s administration deals with the public like that condescending adult deals with kids in those Ally ads.
Obama and his supporters think this is some kind of a joke and whatever lies they tell us to sell their government take over of health care they can count on the media covering for them (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOX WHICH IS WHY OBAMA WILL NOT GO ON FOX). The problem is once President Obama and his minions get control of the all the health care dollar they will have the power to screw around with our money and our lives. Than everyone will have to kiss their behind to get a freaking aspirin.

This really has nothing to do with what Rep. Joe Wilson said Obama was lying about. Obama *was* lying, because there was no verification of eligibility provision in the House bill, just the statement that illegals would not be eligible. Without a provision in the bill, the Health Commissioner would be responsible for doing it, and you know how reliable Obama’s people are — people like Holder, for example, who refuse to prosecute those who stand in front of polling places with clubs and who taunt incoming voters.
Obama and his gang of thugs cannot be trusted to implement laws that give the administration any type of leeway. So the provision for checking eligibility HAS to be included specifically in any health reform bill.
Making all those illegals legal residents is going to take some doing. If he thinks he has a fight now, he should just wait for THAT issue to be brought into the limelight.

“Making all those illegals legal residents is going to take some doing. If he thinks he has a fight now, he should just wait for THAT issue to be brought into the limelight.” posted by tanarg
Come to think of it, the enactment of massive federal subsidies for health insurance probably makes it even less likely that all those illegals will get that pathway to citizenship. It certainly is a deal breaker for me.

“Not at all. You are talking (as was ABC) speculatively about something that might happen in the future – not something that is a fact of any sort – it is pure speculation.”
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You can not call someone a liar about something you speculate ‘might’ happen in the future.

“There is nothing whatsoever speculative about what I said.”
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There are a lot of ‘ifs’ in your statement. ‘Ifs’ that may or may not come to pass – if we have learned one thing about the current President, he is a pragmatic politician who will settle for an accomplishible good result over an impossible perfect one.
I also notice above one of the preconditions for any future possible acceptance for legal status is ‘pays taxes’. Hmmm . .. that’s more than some right wingers want to do.

“On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Republican George Bush’s two terms.
“While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked.
“By contrast, the country’s condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton’s two terms, often substantially.”
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Wait a second, how can that be possible? Bush lowered the taxes by almost a trillion dollars on the top 5% of Americans.

“I also notice above one of the preconditions for any future possible acceptance for legal status is ‘pays taxes’. Hmmm . .. that’s more than some right wingers want to do” ~ julieterra
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Actually, that’s more than many of the president’s appointees and almost appointees want to do:
Tim Geithner
Tom Daschle
Charlie Rangel
Kathleen Sebelius
Nancy Killefer
Ron Kirk
Hilda Solis (husband)

Obama speak; Wait till he says it all depends on what the definition of “is” is.
Is he an illegal alien or is he an American. That works for potential Obamacare patients and men currently sleeping in our White House.

Keep trying Julieterra, and I’ll keep adding names…
Wesley Snipes
Willie Nelson
Al Capone
Melissa Etheridge
Nicholas Cage
Harry Eugene Claiborne
Rueben Sturman
Keith Olberman
Al Franken
Caroline Kennedy

Posted by: BK | Sep 18, 2009 3:53:52 AM
I keep remembering – criminals in the White House and when I do, I think of the Republicans. Most recently Cheney’s Chief of Staff tried, convicted and sentenced to jail on felony charges.
And Mr. Nixon and his gang of crooks and all the other shysters who lined up behind that party including Don Regan the eventual puppeteer behind Ronald.
A sordid lot of junk bond kings, bathroom stall romantics, teenage page seducers, phony religious hypocrites and delusional neo-con ‘world masters’.
Good riddance.

As I have said many times, Obama’s plan was to give AMNESTY to all illegal aliens BEFORE the health care plan became effective so that they would be eligible! Slight of hand (tongue) seems to be this administrations method of operation! I call it “shading the truth” which Obama knows how to do very well! Just like “Women’s Reproductive Services” is just another way of covering abortions for women who want them!! What this administration is failing to understand..we are not as stupid as you think we are..every lie or shaded lie is being challenged by the truth seekers, certainly not by the “made for Obama media”!

Steve..I wholeheartedly agree with you! Our Congress is responsible for limiting the ability of the INS to do their job. The Congress should be required to answer that question since we do pay their salaries….maybe it is time Americans decided to fire the lot of them!! Unfortunately Congress does not care what Americans think! They only criticize our attempt to tell them how we want the job done! Let us see what 2010 brings!

Rasmussen:Opposition to the President’s health care plan is up to 56%, the highest total to date.

Right now we are only paying for the illegal immigrants who are going through emergency with no coverage at all. Those who have health care…we are not paying for. That is why our President wants to make it possible for all of them to get health insurance and get off the free
medicade plan. I believe everyone should have insurance and unless this happens, we will always have those who we will be paying for. He has a plan to help those who cannot afford it but if they still refuse…they should be fined. We can do just so much. This is important…we need to get these people out of our emergency rooms and into some form of health insurance before we can see a reduction in costs. It is common sense.

His whole agenda is to make them legal, erase the borders and tax and apend us into insolvency. Who will be “compassionate” to YOU, when you can’t pay your bills. Surely the government will understand if you don’t have th scratch to pay your taxes and fees… I mean that’s what the FBI, ATF, and Homeland Security is for right? Nailing Americans who can’t or won’t pay the bills for the non-American, non-Citizens??? And you thought all this spending was to protect our national security… HAHAHA!!!!

It’s hard to elicit respect when one
talks out of both sides of one’s mouth
…..often in the same sentence. Obama
is a consummate word-smith, but that
alone doesn’t seal the deal. No, the
more he speaks out, the more his word-
play will sink him.

According to the CNN Fact checker the claim that the bill would provide coverage to illegals is false.
The bill, HR 3200,
Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments “on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
The bill clearly clearly restricts subsidies to U.S. citizens and legal
residents

Meantime, with 15 million Americans without jobs, the invasion continues, no Liberal Politician will address the 500 pound gorilla in the room, and millions of invading, plundering, welfare loving, prolific breeding, Illegal Aliens taking millions of jobs that should be American jobs and 100,s billions of dollars in social services that should be for American citizens!
One cannot be political correct and admit that Illegal Aliens are an large part of the problems in this Nation.
Their negative impact extends to every area from Sub-par loans & defaults, Underground economy, Massive document fraud, Lower standard of living, Crime, Overflowing prisons , Bankrupted hospitals, Failing schools, Property Taxes, Insurance costs, Environment, Culture, Welfare costs, Welfare fraud, SS fraud, Voter fraud, Disrespect for our laws & country, our Constitution against invasion and even Balance of payments occurring from oil and other imports to support the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens in this country!
One has to only look at Calif. which is basically mostly an Spanish speaking, Bankrupt state that cannot afford to provide Welfare, Schooling, Medical, Prison cells etc. for millions of MS-13 Gang bangers, Drug dealers, Rapist and other assorted Criminals and uneducated, Prolific breeding, third world rejects from Mexico!
In a very few years it will be impossible to see where Mexico ends and Calif. begins as both will be an third world cesspool!
Failure to secure our borders and reward the Invading horde for their invasion and their relatives in an never ending chain with American Citizenship is nothing less than committing National Suicide & will assure our future is an over populated Spanish speaking third world Nation that is an Cesspool of Corruption, Crime, Poverty and Misery modeled on Mexico!

First there was no section on enforcement or verification of illegal immigrants in the House bill, so what Joe Wilson said was true.
Then after it was brought to light by Joe’s outburst, Obama said that the SAVE database, the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program would be added to the bill.
Lastly, we have Obama this week saying “If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all.”
So what we have here is a classic fake pass and end run to allow those same 12 million people to be covered after they are given amnesty.

KJ said,
“According to the CNN Fact checker the claim that the bill would provide coverage to illegals is false.
The bill, HR 3200,
Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments “on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
The bill clearly clearly restricts subsidies to U.S. citizens and legal
residents”
LOL
In a bill over one thousand pages long they put in one sentence saying that they wont pay out to those not lawfully in this country, but fail to put in sections for verifying citizenship or any mention of enforcement and you buy it hook line and sinker. Dude, put down the cup and step away from the cool aid.

“Why didn’t immigration law reform pass under the GOP? Because their corporate wing runs the party, and uses their racist wing when it suits them. They aren’t about to give up their cheap labor for a few percent in the polls.”
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Can you say ‘hypocrisy’ boys and girls?

Chant during 9/12 DC March. You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!, You Lie!.

Prison cells etc. for millions of MS-13 Gang bangers, Drug dealers, Rapist and other assorted Criminals and uneducated, Prolific breeding, third world rejects from Mexico!”
There is no racism in the right wing so stop saying that!
Posted by: Ryan C | Sep 18, 2009 1:06:21 PM
Why didn’t immigration law reform pass under the GOP? Because their corporate wing runs the party, and uses their racist wing when it suits them. They aren’t about to give up their cheap labor for a few percent in the polls.
Posted by: Flash Override | Sep 18, 2009 7:24:25 AM
I keep remembering – criminals in the White House and when I do, I think of the Republicans…. A sordid lot of junk bond kings, bathroom stall romantics, teenage page seducers, phony religious hypocrites and delusional neo-con ‘world masters’.
Good riddance.
Posted by: julieterra | Sep 18, 2009 7:04:55 AM
Julieterra, nice turns of phrase there :>) And I love how Flash talks about the corporate wing using the racist wing, and then, voila, we get a little sampling from that racist wing. But I agree, shhhhh, we’re not supposed to acknowledge that their racism exists. If we do they may trot out a bunch of white guys on the evening talk shows to talk about how koooky Pelosi, Carter, Dowd and others are.

Numerous- Try a legitimate, no-bias poll.
Rasmussen now reports that opposition to ObamaCare has reached its highest level yet, at 56%, while only 43% support it. Majorities now believe that health care would get worse and more expensive under Obama’s overhaul of the American health-care system.

Why would we ever consider granting amnesty to illegal aliens? I’m not faulting illegals, they come here seeking a better life.
With official unemployment at 10% there are a lot of jobs legals would do now that they would have ignored months ago.
Have you ever considered that countries like Mexico are exporting their problems to us? Perhaps if they were forced to deal with the consequences of a poor underclass by themselves they might just do something about it? Were my fellow citizens be forced to go to another country just to feed their families I’d be ashamed of my government.

There is no racism in the right wing so stop saying that!
Yeah, don’t bring Sen. Byrd into this!

People
Don’t get caught up in a small part of the healthcare equation minor detials like immigration. It is not the intend of any of the 5 proposed bills to provide health ins to Illegal aliens, or to fund Abortion per the Hyde amendment. The Hyde amendment is law since 1977. Please google Hyde Amendment for those of you who are not familiar.

Why would Rassmussen apply a likely voter screen for its health care poll?
Who exactly is health care running against?

Is this anything like the “public option is dead” thing?

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 signed by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986) is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees’ immigration status, and granted amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously. The Act also granted amnesty to several million illegal aliens, and its proponents promised (PROMISED) the American public that that would be the last (LAST) amnesty granted.
Although the 1986 amnesty resulted in 2.7 million illegal’s being legalized, over 10 million were actually legalized after they brought their extended families over.
The 1986 Act was not enforced, illegal immigration exploded out of control. So here we are again with plans to pass another giant amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens and their extended families, another 48-80 million.
Why would Obama and Congress want to makes things even worse on America’s 14.5 million unemployed?
The administration could easily create 7.5 million jobs in manufacturing, construction and service industries simply by enforcing the existing immigration laws.
A side benefit would be to return the 7.5 million SSN’s being used fraudulently by illegal aliens to their rightful owners.
Those who come here illegally, steal our IDs and ignore our laws have already demonstrated they lack the honesty and decency to ever become American citizens.
a.) Enforce the existing immigration laws.
b.) Secure the border.
c.) Don’t hire illegal aliens.
d.) No anchor babies.
e.) Deportation through attrition.