Under Fire, Presidential Adviser Van Jones Resigns

Strange how your network covers the resignation but so studiously ignored the story for an entire week.
Could it be that you are in the tank for Obama?

This is good. In this time of political unrest we don’t need anyone as radical as this in a high place of government, especially a racist at that. I hope our President will do a better job of vetting his replacement.

Thank you for reporting who, what, when, where,and why, instead of your opinion. Bless you for honest journalism!

Have to say, it’s becoming more and more obvious that AbcNbcCbs are completely in the tank for Obama – there was virtually NO coverage about this whackjob on networks other than Fox. I find Beck OTT and a bit annoying, but he was right on this issue, and it’s really too big a story to have been buried by the MSM in the way it has. The irony is that I (and most anyone under the age of 30?) get their news from the net anyway, so the whitewashing by the ‘major’ networks is a moot strategy anyway, LOL :)

This guy admitted he was a communist. He gets appointed a CZAR by a leader of the United States who is the most left leaning politician at the Senate level and who has an extreme sense of self empowerment and ego…….
I think reality time is setting in.

It’d be interesting how broadcast evening news, MSM, i.e. NYT, WaPo report this resignation given that they NEVER covered the controversy in the first place. For example, at ABCNews only this blog mentioned the brouhaha at all. From CBS, NBC, CNN… nada.

VAN JONES IS A QUITTER!!

What about the rest of the czars. My understanding and it looks pretty clear in the Constitution that they are illegal without proper vetting in the Senate:
“Article II. Section 2. “He (the President) shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consults, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein provided for, and which shall be established by law; but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.”

Jake,
I respect your work, and hope in the future to see ABC news do a better job.
This news story should not have just been reported by FOX. We should have known the facts about him, before they put his name on his office. FOX and MSM both missed the boat.
How about stories of who, what, when, why and where concerning all Obama appointees?

Van, calling Republicans a vile name a few months ago is not a ” smear campaign.” you are insulting half the country… The people who pay your salary. I would think a minimum requirement to work in the white house would be a respect and love for all Americans, a willingness to serve all.

What about the rest of the czars. My understanding and it looks pretty clear in the Constitution that they are illegal without proper vetting in the Senate:
“Article II. Section 2. “He (the President) shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consults, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein provided for, and which shall be established by law; but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.”
Posted by: RM | Sep 6, 2009 8:58:15 AM
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Great idea, RM. We MUST enforce our constitutional laws on our administration. We must make sure they adhere to the constitution. We must make sure they answer to the people. It’s over for them.

Seems to me Glenn Beck Alinsky’d Van Jones. Oh the delicious irony.

ceeLeelee wrote: “Yeah, it IS tough being smeared with your own words. Glenn Beck and FOX News must be laughing their butts off.”
Which Beck is laughing his butt off – the Beck who said Obama “has a deep-seated hatred for white people,” or the Beck who 90 seconds later said, “I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people?”
Was it the Beck who said our health care system is a nightmare or the Beck who said it is the best health care system in the world?

ABC, CBS, NBC news are a complete joke, if FOX NEWS was smart they should start investagating in full force the connections the three so called networks have to Obama and his goofball friend Axelrod. The ties to the GE boss has to be put out there with full force. This is the highest form of coruption that must be exposed.
This should be Becks next week long must watched series of shows.

“Don’t let yourselves continue to be manipulated by these smear campaigns.”
Yawn. Since when is exposing the truth of what someone said on RECORDED VIDEO a smear campaign?
If it was a smear campaign, why didn’t the mainstream media, who’s in the tank for Obama, fight the accusations and discredit Beck? Hmmmm?

Good riddance. Now lets get some reaction from the journos who puffed him.

Jones is another example of the questionable appointments that Obama has made during his administration, i.e., Geithner, et al.

Very poor judgment on part of Jones. Glad he resigned;should have been vetted better & not appointed. I’m a staunch Obama supporter, but Jones was a mistake who fed into the worst fears of Obama-haters.

There is only one race and that is the human race. American is confused about race -please look it up and get it right. People of color are the ones who have suffered, have been lynched, made fun of and vilified, marginalized because they were Black, Latino, Arab or American Indian. Look at the way White or European systems of government have conducted themselves when they invaded lands of people unlike them. All of this confusion and turmoil stems form the past. It is time that we get right with the truth about the past so that we will have a future. Think about it before you respond to me. People – go back and read your bitter words, step back for a minute and think about what you are saying. Do your research first before you speak. Yes, this is America, where we have freedom of speech and that’s good – everyone has an opinion. Are you paying attention to what’s happening to us here in America? Are you aware of the environmental issues that are impacting all of us? What about all of the people who are out of work because business are having to cut back. What about the future of your children and grandchildren. What about the quality of life for everyone? America needs to wake up and grow up—-remember, American this government is not that old. How America was formed needs to be examined. It was built by enslaved Africans and Native Americans on land stolen from Indigenous people. Please, do your research-read the Doctrine of Discovery, Manifest Destiny, Eminent Domain, Papal Bulls, – Read about what happened to Indigenous Peoples of the Americas from the time of the invasion to what is happening to them now. I love the soil of this Earth Mother that provides us with everything we need-so please don’t think that I am anti-America. This is the land where the ancient bones of my people are buried. Remember, the truth shall set us free—-we are all related and connected-what happens to one of us affects all of us.

“Was it the Beck who said our health care system is a nightmare or the Beck who said it is the best health care system in the world?” Beck is right, the system is a nightmare, but our health care is the best in the world. Perhaps you would be happier with the nightmare of the NHS in England coupled with the horrible care?

WELL SAID KANAWHA

WWW -
I answered your “distraction” questions, but it never made an appearance on this blog. Hmmmm.
Not to worry – looks like you are watching more of Fox News than I am. Nice to know you are a part of their viewing audience.
Kudos to Glenn Beck.

This story should be absolutely huge across all media channels. Let’s see what happens during the week. Will it steal attention from Obama’s big speeches this week? I sure hope so.

RE:The tipping point for the White House appeared to be Jones’ admission earlier this week that he had signed a petition in 2004 calling for congressional hearings and an investigation by the New York Attorney General into “evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur.”
.. I would have signed such a petition. The petition didn’t state that Bush officials allowed the attacks on 9/11, rather that there is evidence that suggests this and an investigation is warranted. There was such evidence and such an investigation was, and still is warranted.

Come on even if you are liberal you cannot approve of this man and his racism toward whites, his unamerican statements and his radical views. He was using his radical views under the quise of being a Green Jobs Czar. The fact that the MSM didn’t even report on this shouldbe enough to make you wonder.
by the way i am a moderate democrat and not as you would say ” Wingnut”

“Come on even if you are liberal you cannot approve of this man and his racism toward whites, his unamerican statements and his radical views. He was using his radical views under the quise of being a Green Jobs Czar. The fact that the MSM didn’t even report on this shouldbe enough to make you wonder.
by the way i am a moderate democrat and not as you would say ” Wingnut”"…Karen
Karen,
Democrat or Republican or Independent, you are right!
The TRUTH wil set you free!
Why Obama wants to continue to hide the
TRUTH and circumvent the TRUTH needs to be closely watched.

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,” Obama wrote in Dreams from my Father, “I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets….At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints”. Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Wright, the First “Lady”, now Jones. Anyone see a pattern? To know who surrounds Obama is to know Obama.

“To know who surrounds Obama is to know Obama.”…censored
No words have better been said!
The TRUTH will set you free!

By the way…I’ll go back to watching FOX/Nation!!!! At least one network is looking out for us/US!!!

Poor Jones. It’s a terrible thing to be smeared with your own words.

One radical czar down.
Now who is next?
The one that wants forced sterilization?
Adviser Zeke Emanuel that thinks age determines your worthiness to live?
The czar that wants to cut off talk radio and control free speech?
Fox is coming after you…

The MSM is a sorry bunch.
They are not looking out for us.
Americans deserve to know just how radical and racist Van Jones really is.
Why would our “post racial” president want Van Jones?
Obama is lying to us.

007 in case you did not notice, no one went out to do a hatchet job on Van Jones, this gentleman has is own words and actions to thank for his demise today.
Shame on you and all like you that would ask Americans to accept this kind of radical person advising the President, some of you really show much love of this country and its future.

GOOD RIDDANCE!! He was a radical black nationalist and a self-avowed communist. NO WAY should he be in the White House.

Thanks MSM for absolutely nothing.
You do not care about all Americans just those who share your liberal ideals.
I hope Obama is worth your integrity.
It’s no wonder Fox is kicking your butt.
Good riddance.

Thank you Jake.
Thank you Fox.
Thank you blogs that keep us informed and tell the truth.

accept this kind of radical person advising the President, some of you really show much love of this country and its future.
Posted by: SJ
you need to do some serious review, [if your capable] of the 8 years of the bush administration, your concept of ‘radical’ seems to be, shall we say, limited in scope…..
we already ‘know’, that ‘liberals’ and ‘progressives’ ‘hate america’… ever check the legislation over the last 100 years that’s designed to protect citizens,..? guess who wrote the vast majority of it…I’ll give you a hint..it wasn’t David Addington…
enjoy your Sunday, perhaps have a serving of freedom fries while you do your suggested reading assignment.

Sorry but Obama is just as radical and racist as Van Jones. That’s the only reason he would hire somebody like that!!!!

Did the MSM do an almost total blackout of this story so that when he was forced to resign they could make the claim he was a low level staffer, not worthy of reporting on? I would imagine the NYTs readers woke up this morning and said WTH? This controversy has been going on for weeks and MSM only report it when he resigns.
I hope after this those that get their news from only the MSM will expand their horizons. Whiplashes are painful.

Time to investigate other Obama appointments – who knows what else will come slithering out from under the over-turned rocks. Birds of a feather …..
We knew what kind of associations Obama had, many chose to ignore it.
This man is unfit to be president.
The anti-American president from the Un-Democratic Party ……

Not so easy to destroy America is it Obama?
Some of us actually love our country the way it is.
God bless America

Good by Van.
I bet Chavez would love a guy with your talent.

Reverend Wright believed the US deserved 9/11
Posted by: Jenny
‘good christians’ Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell believed that and sermonized that to their ‘ministries’

WE should get people in these positions who are actually qualified. I would like to see some one like Intel chariman of the board Craig Barret in that job. The job is important. The administration seems to never hire anyone with technical expertise – OK Larry Sommers knows what he is doing – and is disliked in the administration.
Lets get some good technical people in the administration. We do not need politicals who are known because they hate one segment of society or another.

007 tells us, “the current debate works out to about 25% substance, and 75% crazy speak..” I’d say most of the crazy speak came from Van Jones himself. Once you see the quotes laid out, from his comment within days of 9/11/01 that it was “the bombs we drop on Iraq” (back in the days of the no-fly-zone missions) that “fell on NYC,” to his statement in February of this year that Republicans are a**holes, you wonder how he ever passed the vetting process. But then, he did not have to face Senate confirmation, so I guess they didn’t need to worry about anything not directly related to green jobs. of course, his talk about green jobs is pretty scary, too.
Oh, well. Glad he’s gone. The Obama administration did the right thing by quietly pushing him out the door without a lot of fanfare.

Pres. Obama stated, while debating McCain one day, to judge him who he will surround himself in the White House.
(He was referring to all of the ‘smart’ people that will help him while President).
Okay. We took him at his word. We judged Van Jones unfit for duty.
He needs to go back to being a communist (of all things!), and write a book on how America pulled off 9/ll -(HIS theory!)
“I didn’t know or I didn’t fully read nor understood” statement does not fly.
He does not appear to be stupid. Obama had it right: he is an intelligent guy.
He just needs to take it down the road, however, and join any type of club he wants to.

I can’t wait to see who “Exhibit B” will be. This type reporting has made ABC News what it is today. Thank goodness for FOX.

So, now many green jobs did he create before his resignation?

Not so easy to fix the problems with America, is it Obama? Some people like the country the way it used to be.
Birthers and truthers need to go, though.

They thrust their fists against the post and still insist it’s Bush’s fault.
The rightwingconspiracy-it’sallaboutrace argument fell apart a long time ago.
Obama, like Bush, surrounds himself with people who think exactly as he does. Obama and Bush are exactly the same, egotistical extremists with grand plans for America. I’m beginning to believe the tax-cheats running the IRS and other departments are the “good guys” in the mix.

Obama’s bud has bit the dirt. Make no mistake. Obama was not troubled by Van JOnes positions only by the bad publicity.

Yeah, Ana, those “crazy conservatives” are to blame here. After all, everybody knows that they MADE President Obama hire this left-wingnut who believes that Geroge Bush & Co. conspired with the CIA to kill over 3,000 lives.
Jones was a “Jeremiah Wright” radical and the MSM happily tried to bury the story. Say what you want about FOX, but at least they covered this story BEFORE Jones resigned.
The real tragedy is that the MSM is only now “reporting” on this story, after Jones has resigned and in typical left-bent fashion they’re doing so as if Jones’ background was moderate and mainstream. Get real.
And welcome to the party, Jake. Very late as usual, but welcome.

Ana – your last sentence is exactly why this administration was elected. thanks for making it clear. While the liberals gloat at the ignorance of Americans about their government and use that to bring power to their own party – the rest of us are trying actually inform Americans of what is really going on.

His crime… he made an unforgivable sin… he violated true Alinsky priciples by truthfully representing his points of view. He was unafraid to speak the truth about his and the rest of the Obama administration’s actual agenda. He is an unappolagetic radical anti-American White hating racist communist. He is exactly the same as most of the other people Obama has chosen to associate himself with over the years.

“I hope you all are aware that less than a third of the American population knows the three branches of government.”
Boy, with this President we sure know what these branches would look like if he was given “Hugo Chavez” like power. They are quite simply the branches of…
Liberalism, Socialism and Communism.
When these labels were tossed around with the Clinton Administration, most moderates and liberals laughed it off and tossed it aside. Now President Obama, with guys like Van Jones, is making these labels, once used as scare tactics, a hoped reality.
Thankfully, there are some more reasonable, cooler heads in Dem. dominated Congress that will stand up to Pelosi and Obama – Go Bluedogs! Otherwise, Van Jones would be the average appointee rather than the exception.

freemort,
Those are excellent observations.
“The John Edwards story gets scooped by the Enquirer?”
Exhibit A that the MSM has outsourced real journalism (unless a Republican official) of Democratic candidates. When it comes to guys like Jones and Rangell, the MSM follows rather than leads.

The real story here Jake is the utter failure of the MSM, you included, to cover this story leaving it to the evil Glen Beck and us evil right wing denizens to expose this clown for what he is.
What this means Jake is that this particular commi/greenie nut has been forced to resign by the hoi polloi which is a comment on the weakening grasp of power that the MSM has.

www, no one is defending Beck here…nor should be. But what’s funny about your post is that it has nothing to do with Jones. Yeah, Beck called it out, but so what? If Jones wasn’t the loony-tunes anti-thesis of Beck he’d still have a job.
Are you now going to defend Jones, or are you just running around with your fingers in your ears while appearing to throw a tantrum that the hard right landed a legitimate blow?

Jake says: “Having expended much time and energy discrediting conservative conspiracy theorists alleging (despite all evidence) that the President was not born in the U.S…”
All WHAT evidence, Jake? The evidence I’ve seen is that they trot out a little-known official from an office in Hawaii government to say “the birth certificate is real! … I’ve SEEN it” combined with the millions that Obama has spent to keep this thing covered up.
All the evidence seems to back up the concern, not refute it.
But at least you’ll get style points from the “All Barack Channel” heads, if nothing else.

“On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me,” Jones wrote. “They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.”
The dude was a truther, and was never vetted before being “appointed.” And what’s hilarious is that folks outside the MSM forced the guy to resigned by spending a few moments Googling his past and now he’s all up in arms about it.
But hey, no way Jones “goes BACK” to this kind of thinking, right?

The thing about Van Jones that was absolutely most disturbing to me was his revelation that he considers his eco-ecomony goals as just a minimal step/stage toward achieving a marxist transformation of our ecomony. As green job czar he was given power to pursue this goal. Am I wrong to think his green-jobs philosophy is the most controversial aspect of his appointment? If not, then why aren’t Jake or others mentioning it?
“… Inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant that from 1964 to 1968 that complete revolution was on the table for this country. And I think that this Green Movement has to pursue those same steps and stages. Right now we are saying that we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to some kind of eco-capitalism where at least we are not fast tracking the destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough. No it won’t be enough. We want to go beyond systems of exploitations and oppression all together. But that’s a process. What’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the crisis is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence, and ecological threats that people are willing to be very pragmatic and very visionary so the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.” Van Jones April 2008 speaking to Rust Belt Radio.

In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of “the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever.”
Yeah, right. He had five years to ask the petition’s owner to take it down. And don’t tell me that most reasonable people, don’t do a hard vetting of themselves before they accept a job in the White House. If they don’t do even a cursory due diligence on their own past before accepting a position in a public setting, then they deserve the outcome.
Jones clearly knew about the petition and given his other activists roots and ties he that supports this kind of thinking, was probably proud of it, until the blogosphere jumped all over him and threatened his job and Obama’s damaged credibility.

what valerie jarrett said about recruiting van jones (she was watching him and knew his background): “Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House.”

Fox is “draining the swamp”.
Isn’t that what Pelosi promised?
She and Obama were going to get rid of the corruption in Washington.
They lied big time.

“What seemed to hurt Jones the most politically, however, was the discovery of his name on the 9/11 “Truther” petition, which suggested President Bush or those in his administration at the very least allowed 9/11 to happen so as to launch wars for oil.”
By the way, where is all that Iraqi oil we stole? LOL.

Gibbs said it was Van Jones’ decision to leave.
Which means in spite of all that has come out about Jones, Obama would have kept him as an adviser.
Are you kidding me?
And Obama wonders why parents don’t want him speaking to their kids.

By the way, where is all that Iraqi oil we stole? LOL.
Posted by: BH |
Don’t go stirring up the OILers.

Posted by: Ana | Sep 6, 2009 11:49:51 AM
“I hope you all are aware that less than a third of the American population knows the three branches of government.”
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Yeah, but don’t worry, Ana, in that one-third you won’t find any SEIU or ACORN or Obama t-shirts.

So those of us who protest Obama’s massive spending and government takeover
are unAmerican mobs.
But Van Jones who trashes America, cops, white people—he gets hired by Obama.
Something is terribly wrong with the Obama administration’s logic.

Jake, I appreciate the journalistic effort that you put into this, after all, the NYT, the WAPO, the LAT, the AP, Reuters, and numerous other news outlets like CBS, NBC, CNN, could not seem to find out this wealth of information about Jones. You are the ultimate investigative reporter to scoop all the other news outlets, the only problem I really have, is why it took you this long to write about all of Jones’ numerous statements and activities? How many others in the admin have things like this in their past (and not so distant past at that)? I really like how Jones says he was smeared by a vicious campaign of lies. I am pretty certain that everything that I have heard about Jones comes from videos of him and his writings about his communist beliefs and his efforts to destroy capitalism, etc… Pretty sad that all the major news outlets were surprised by this and only able to cover it, and mostly not well, after it is mostly over. I hope the Senate still investigates the admin’s practice of bypassing their confirmation by using these “Czar” positions.

flash override says: “On the one hand, the petition isn’t really that contraversial, (sic) saying only that officials “allowed” it to happen.”
If I knew that my country’s leadership knew of and could stop an attack like 9/11 and they chose not to, I would fear for my freedom if I was in a movement seeking to expose that kind of crime. And yet the “truthers” knew that they had nothing to fear, because the government wasn’t going to come after them. You have to ask yourself why they were so confident they could speak out without fear. It is because deep down they had to know that their government was incapable of committing such a horrible act and also incapable of arresting and silencing all the “truthers.” It is a horrible thing to think that US citizens could allow 3000 other US citizens to be killed, and for what? Jones and the rest of these fools argued in the fall of 2001 that the attacks on the US were the result of US operations overseas. “The chickens were coming home to roost” argument. When they realized that was not gaining traction against Bush they switched to this argument that the buildings were blown up by the CIA or some other US government agency. This has all been a cynical political attack on the Bush admin and is pretty disgusting. The sad thing is that the Obama admin has not yet (they will soon just like they did with Ayers and Wright) repudiated Jones.

if we’re calling for hearings and investigations, I’m all for that…. no exclusions for anyone or any party……
seems that Bush, Cheney and the rest of the crime family would be a good place to start, the first steps are already being taken….
the preliminary info is already horrendous.
here’s a conspiracy theory for you:
doesn’t it seem strange that once Obama got into office that his opinion of investigating Bush & Co. really changed…his reluctance to show the pix of the torture abuse……
I think the info is so terrible, that even Obama can’t release it due to the damage it would cause domestically and around the world.

“An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.”
Jake, why do you repeat this lying garbage, unchallenged? If you you can’t smell rotten garbage just give up the journalism business.

the real ‘death panels’:
After the mortgage business imploded last year, Wall Street investment banks began searching for another big idea to make money. They think they may have found one.
The bankers plan to buy “life settlements,” life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash — $400,000 for a $1 million policy, say, depending on the life expectancy of the insured person. Then they plan to “securitize” these policies, in Wall Street jargon, by packaging hundreds or thousands together into bonds. They will then resell those bonds to investors, like big pension funds, who will receive the payouts when people with the insurance die.
The earlier the policyholder dies, the bigger the return — though if people live longer than expected, investors could get poor returns or even lose money.

Obama only cares about flaunting his desire to do anything he wants. Is Van Jones offensive and unworthy for the position? All the better! Now he can try to get away with something even more outrageous.

jones made ‘negative comments’ about republicans…….certainly a federal offense, worthy of resignation…
good thing michelle bachmann isn’t held to the same standard

MM,ever hear of the mass extiniction of the North American megafauna that happened about, say TEN THOUSAND YEARS ago?The extinction comment is flat-out WRONG.There is no “tipping” point in regard to iceberg melting-THEY ALL MELT!There is still no proof that anthropogenic warming exists-only theories that have not been confirmed by experimental scientific method. Rapid climate change(if we are seeing it at present, which is doubtful) can be explained as a natural event. The Younger Dryas events happened 10000 to 12000 yrs. ago -totally natural rapid climate change. However,I don’t think that Van Jones knows a damn thing about climatic changes, meteorology,geology or any natural science.He was a pure political appointment by Ms. Jarret and Mr. Obama.

Is just where you graduated from the only criteria?
Posted by: Susan
of course not, but since the ‘right’ seems deathly afraid of education, books, the non-religious, women who speak for themselves, science, etc…I’ll take my chances with an educated, independent thinking and rational human being.
btw: re: ‘or even the loathing for whites ‘
certainly an ‘educated’ perspective’ LOL

Aren’t all of you Messiah sycophants getting just a little bit tired of all his lies and incompetence?
Posted by: keys2truth | Sep 6, 2009 1:48:48 PM
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I’m tired of the GOP’s lies and incompetence and it’s echo chambers’ smear campaigns, bloodthirstiness, close-mindedness and overall lack of integrity, innovation and intellectualism.
But I am unhappy that Van Jones left and that the robust public option may get the same amount of support that Van Jones did.

On the other hand, Jones is needed in the community, where I daresay he’ll be alot more effective than he would be in the tepid Obama administration.
Posted by: Flash Override | Sep 6, 2009 1:07:51 PM
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that’s the upside, though the sharks are still licking their chops and swimming toward a new victim.

Posted by: Nephron | Sep 6, 2009 1:45:30 PM
Excellent! But you’ll never convince them that the earth has already cycled through ice and tropics. It messes with “the message.”
And *someone* on this thread made a comment about “the right” being against education. ROFLMAO!

This epsisode is another self inflicted nail driven into the dying, old corrupt mainstream media. Obama hired a guy overseeing a budget of $30 billion who is on recording supporting a cop killer, supported truthers, and talked about a radical incremental plan to bring about “fundamental change” i.e. socialism to the US but nobody in the MSM lifts a finger to bring the story out.
Obama is obviously extremely leftwing and no amount of MSM coverup will diminish that hard fact.

Tick tock Charlie Rangel.
Tick tock radical czars/advisers.
We’re coming after you next.

Obama conveniently will never be asked why he thought it was OK to appoint Van Jones knowing about his views.
BO won’t be asked if he shares his views, or why he didn’t fire Jones.
It’s not hard to figure out all of this but wouldn’t it be great to see Obama squirm?

It’s hilarious to watch Jones perform on those clips.
He has the same mannerisms as Rev Wright, and is just as loud and obnoxious.
Great choices Obama.
Your judgement is reassuring.

Thank you Glenn Beck!!!!!

Those of you that support Jones–have at it. But you cannot dispute the facts about his history and thinking. Check the video tape! There’s tons out there. This man was arrested twice. How did he get a security clearance?

“This man was arrested twice.”
_____________________________________
Scooter Libby was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to jail for crimes committed while IN Vice President Cheney’s office!!!
That’s where the Republican administration was at.

Jones had some powerful endorsements from the left and right, entirely based on his most recent work.
National co-chair of John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, Meg Whitman:
“There’s a guy over in Oakland, I think his name is Van Jones. And he and I were on a cruise last summer in the Arctic, on climate change. And I got to know him very well. And a lot of the work he’s doing to enfranchise broader communities I’m a big fan of. He’s doing a marvelous job… ”
Of course she is disassociating herself from him now due to his radical personal history, but that quote alone provides a snapshot of how mainstream he had become by the time he was hired by the White House as a special adviser on green jobs.

Posted by: yes | Sep 6, 2009 2:11:14 PM
No, actually the “message” I was talking about was the “humans are evil and destroying the planet” message by the left. Ignoring the freeze-thaw cycles of this planet.
Any educated person knows the earth wasn’t created 6000 years ago. And all religions have their creation stories.
Nuts is nuts, left or right.

Concerned in Ohio writes: “Obama needs to appoint an Under the Bus Czar.”
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You got me to chuckle at that one!
Maybe he could hire Glenn Beck…they should at least have a get together at the White House…

Posted by: julieterra | Sep 6, 2009 3:07:02 PM
Oh, for cryin’ out loud….are you really that bent?
Only you know anything.
Pollution is rampant, has been for thousand of years, castle toilets used to be built over a rivers, mercury was used in makeup, run-off from every developing industry has affected the basic water supply. Remember the “educated” part of my post. I know that.
But nobody is going to stop global warming/cooling. And what about that continental drift? Have you heard of that? It’s this thing where the continents smash into or move away from each other. Better get a handle on that.

Yes,what is your point? That I am a creationist?I am a firm believer in evolution-ontology recapitulates philogeny .However, if anything it encourages me to question “conventional wisdom”-particularly the current global warming nonsense.Why have none of James Hansen’s predictions come true? Try Occam’s Razor-he’s wrong!

Since several posters here seen to enjoy spreading the story that Van Jones “was arrested twice”, just a fact-check. He was arrested in the round-up of people at peaceful protests, never charged and quickly released. In at least one of these protests, and possibly both, he was there as an observer, on the sidelines, not as a participant.
To attempt to label him a criminal for being arrested at a protest is, in a word, wrong.

In the Democratic Party, you say something crazy, they demote you.
In the GOP, you say something crazy, they elect you.
Personally, I don’t think Van Jones did anything too terribly wrong.
But, given the high standards that Republicans have for public figures… when is Michelle Bachmann going to resign? When is Fox News going to fire Glenn Beck?
Never.
And that’s the difference between the two parties.
The Democrats will meet you halfway.
The GOP won’t.
I suppose it’s time to see whether or not the people want to negotiate their future with liberals… or want to have the future dictated to them by conservatives.
As an independent, the Republicans are looking more and more repulsive everyday. A certain Van Jones quote springs to mind.

so ABC News, aside from this reporters blog, where on your 30 minute network news was a story about van jones past?
oh thats right, your in line with NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC who are continually kissing the back side of this administration and afraid to report on anything controversial, because this administration has probably threatened you with losing media privledges in the white house.
Thank goodness we have FoxNews and Glenn Beck who once found this information out kept on reporting the truth. Its no wonder Beck’s show is number two in cable news and its not even a prime time slot.

To prove my point, I would like you to pay attention to what the conservatives are saying now:
Van Jones resigned. Now they want Obama to resign.
They cannot tolerate alternative opinions, even when people vote in favor of those alternative opinions.
What we are seeing are the first steps of an American fascist movement, by which a well-organized, nativist, traditionalist fringe is going to strong-arm the government into carrying out their wishes against the will of the majority.
Like it or not…. we ELECTED Obama. Anyone who tries to take away our peacefully and legitimately elected president needs to be called out like the vipers they are.

I’m curious about where they come up with these people. More importantly, why? There’s always radical hate speech or associations from their pasts. Is this the best they can do? Who is calling the shots here?

Hey radical leftists… ignorance is bliss, no?
Bye bye Van, do let the door hit you…

When was Jones convicted of a FELONY? And for what?

Julia; The ball is in your court. Better just go to the store and buy some chicken salad.

For that matter I take issue with the claims that Obamabots are better educated—–looking at the political map—it was the inner cities where higher crimes and uneducation run rampant.

“Van Jones resigned. Now they want Obama to resign.”
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Scooter Libby, the top man in VP Cheney’s office was charge, tried, convicted and sentenced to jail for crimes committed in Cheney’s office!
Jailable crimes committed in the office of vp Cheney!
Did Cheney have to resign? No . . .
Right wingers are absurd extremists.

Jones’ resignation sounds like Palin’s, only Jones has a lot less class. When do the recriminations and accusations of QUITTER!!!QUITTER!! QUITTER!!! start on Jones?
Also, since no one believes anything Olby says, who careswhat he says about Beck? Bring it.
Winners in all this: Fox News. Us. Freedom, liberty and truth.
Losers: Marxists and MSNBC.
Thank you Glenn!

When was Jones convicted of a FELONY? And for what?
Come on you right wing liars. . . put up or shut up.

Good riddance. It’s time that the truth come out about the people Obama is associating and surrounding himself with.

“Till every commie radical in the Marxist Party in power is exposed…..”
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More extremist nonsense.
If only those clean, honest and decent Republicans were in power snorting their noses around they would bomb Iran, bomb Venezuela, bomb North Korea, bomb Bolivia, bomb Cuba – kill hundreds of thousands of people – and fix this whole economy nonsense in a snap of their blessed fingers.

“ou really don’t know that Jones is not only a convicted felon”
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I said put up, or shut up.
When was he convicted of a felony? And what was he convicted of?

Mr. Van Jones, the “Green Jobs” czar’s ouster leaves much to be desired. He was primarily hired to be on the WH Council on Environmental Quality, only because he was well versed on green energy issues. His expertise was needed on related matters and the jobs there would be to curtail high unemployment figures in poor areas, and to help a sagging economy. His past rhetoric and remarks,some of which sounded asinine to some Republicans, should not be used as a pretext to get him to resign. He also apologized for the 9/11 petition he signed. “It was a mistake”, he later admitted. I never saw a lynch mob as that on FOX News asking for Mr. Jones’ head. Crumbs!

The concern now is the extreme left’s death threats to Glenn Beck and his family. Pray for Glenn and his family. The Chicago politics of this administration are scary and dangerous.
One more week, and the TEA Partiers are going to make thier stands!

Democratic strategist and FOX News contributor Bob Beckel predicted that Jones would be out of a job by Labor Day, and he wondered how Jones got the “czar” post in the first place.
“He’s got every right in the world to be a self-avowed communist, but the Secret Service would no more allow a self-avowed communist into the White House as they would Charlie Manson, so that’s what I don’t get,” Beckel said.

Ignoring this hate filled communist is the most outrageous display of slanted journalism yet. You people are becoming a danger to this nation.
Long live the HONESTY at FOX.

“Birthers” – nutters who think the President forged his birth certificate in order to run for President.
Truthers – nutters who think the former President murdered 3,000+ fellow citizens, damaged his nation’s economy, and evoked trumped up fears over terrorism in order to start a war with Iraq – which ended up killing another 3,000+ soldiers.
So, at the end of the day, which nutter group would you see as more unreasonable and/or dangerous?

“Van Jones was man enough to resign for his extremist views.”
Mr. Jones only resigned because he got caught and probably because the President asked him to…the last thing the President needs right now is kind of distraction when he’s trying to ram..er..push..health care through Congress. Obama knew that after the Cambridge Police fiasco, that trying to defend Van Jones was only going to solidify the American’s public growing unease about Obama’s moderate portrayals and assurances – you know, the one he had during the campaign before the mask started to slip?

deanbob wants a Van Jones white wash…the highly sanitized version that only the MSM can deliver that makes left-wing extremists look like the late Tim Russert.

dwaldrop
Same can be said of the dem’s. Whats needs to be done is a massive clean out in 2010, anyone senitor in for more than 2 terms needs to be voted out.

“There is the example of Spain, where more than one non-green job was lost for every green job created.”
Yes, let’s take one traditional job, trade it for a green job and call it one new job created, saved but not destroyed..all the while the unemployment number is either unchanged or rising. Makes perfect sense!

How did someone with the un-American resume of a Van Jones ever pass the vetting process? Did the FBI do a poor job, in which case a few head should roll at the J. Edgar Hoover Building? Or, worse, did the President know about it and not care?
In any case, all of the czars should be reinvestivated and placed under the oversight of Congress. There is no excuse for this shadow cabinet.

Why are we Americans ok with appointed others who are so unAmerican? It kind of scares me. Let’s get some people up there who will actually love the country that has given them so much…not because of government but because of the freedoms that are slowly trying to be taken away from us.

Will ABC News pick up on the drift of most of these comments and finally start reporting from the center, instead of from the far left? Wouldn’t actual objectivity be a blessing? I am sure all the liberals are hoping and praying — well, not praying — that ABC keeps the blinders on and bends to the will of Chairman BHO.

Guess Rahm couldn’t come up with a global warming crisis urgent enough to keep Van Jones.
That “crisis” excuse only works once.

When Rev Wright scandal came out – I blew it off, i said those are sound bites, means nothing….its taken out of context. —- When the Bill Ayers Scandal came to light…I thought he is no longer the terrorist he was, people deserve a second chance, besides he is a school teacher….. — When Obama hired tax cheats, I was angry about that, but thought Obama knows what he is doing, people deserve a second chance, maybe we all cheat on taxes. When Obama said that small town people cling to guns and religion — i wasnt happy since I am a bible thumping democrat.— again I blew it off. Next, I heard about obama czars, I was confused, Obama promised transparancy, how can you have transparency, when you circumvent the vetting process of the cabinet. Again…I blew it off, but I was becoming a concern american. Did I do the right thing voting for Obama. The Last straw – Obama Czar VAN JONES, “what was obama thinking!!!!” I am finished with the Democrat Party, I will not Join the Republican Party. WHAT IS LEFT. AMERICA YOU NEED REAL CHANGE , not CHAINS.

I have a stupid question. Why a ‘Green Job’ Czar? Why not a ‘Job Creation’ Czar with a green job mandate or initiative? Are we to expect a ‘Blue Collar Job’ Czar? A ‘White Collar Job’ Czar? Please excuse me if the answer is obvious to some, and I just can’t seem to grasp the whole concept. I could be conspirical and say it sounds suspiciously like a ‘Job’ Czar position was just created for political reasons?

After hearing Mr. Jones speak on C-Span, I think that he is a bright person. However, he speaks from the heart sometimes offending others with “his” truth. I hope that he will continue to pursue his green goals in the private sector.

You right wingers think this compares in any way to VP Cheney’s number one man Scooter Libby being tried, convicted and sentenced to jail for COMMITTING CRIMES while working in Cheney’s office – as part of his government duties?
You’re biased lightweights.

The people who watch main stream media won’t understand why he left because no one reported the words of Van Jones. Did you miss the part where he has proclaimed himself to be a communist?

Good riddance to a bad racist, communist, whackjob. And since Obama said during his campaign that we would get to know him by the people he surrounds himself with – well – this guy’s character speaks volumes of Obamas as well. For those on this board that have no clue what is going on, because ABC is too much in the pocket of the Dems – just query against Van Jones and Video on the web – and watch him, in his OWN words, to figure out why he is OUTTA THERE.

“”One administration would rather err on the side of safety for many at the expense of a few.”
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Yes, and one administration was at the wheel when the 9/11 attacks occurred, ignored warnings and told the security czar to concentrate on Iraq, not Al Qaeda.
Guess who that was?

“Yes, and one administration was at the wheel when the 9/11 attacks occurred, ignored warnings and told the security czar to concentrate on Iraq, not Al Qaeda.
Guess who that was?”
You mean the Clinton Admin. who ignored Al Qaeda for almost eight years after the first World Trade Center attack?
I don’t see how that makes your point and what this has to do with Van Jones.
Are you a “truther”, Julie?

“I don’t see how that makes your point and what this has to do with Van Jones.”
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BH try to keep up with the posts here and read them. ‘ollie’ introduced the topic of safety below.

The democrat party has been invaded by radicas, anti-free speech, pro Fidel Castro fanatics!

“The difference is huge and apparent.”
Yes, the difference is huge and apparent. Cheney’s Chief of Staff was convicted of criminal acts in his position at the White House. We’re not talking about someone signing a petition – we’re talking about CRIMINAL ACTS in the office of VP Cheney.

How many radicals have been exposed since Obama started Campaigning. How many tax cheats have been hired to make sure we pay our taxes correctly. What number of Communist will make you , the American public finally say enough is enough. Will it take 5, perhaps 10, How Many COmmunist is too many.

When Van Jones was in jail is when he learned a lesson for life. He was surrounded by communists and other radicas and decided, “Hey, I like this hate-America thought process, I think I’ll join.”

“Uh, excuse me, but Van Jones WAS ALSO ARRESTED AND JAILED, but that’s a good plus to serve in today’s White House.”
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That you don’t understand Libby committed criminal acts in his job at the White House, nor the implications of that shows how stunned the fanatical right has become.
Hypocrites beyond belief.
Criminal acts WHILE SERVING in the White House – Republicans forget soon easily; we don’t.

“That you don’t understand Libby committed criminal acts in his job at the White House, nor the implications of that shows how stunned the fanatical right has become.”
I haven’t forgotten. It was a huge black eye for the President. But that was the LAST Admin. Julie and despite my hopes to the contrary, this President is pretty much the same…the only change we’ve gotten is a lurch to the loony left, away from the loony right.

I’m confused. My local TV news broadcast stated that Van Jones “retired.” But this site says he “resigned.” Which is it? Did my local news misrepresent what has been going on?

“I haven’t forgotten. It was a huge black eye for the President.”
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Black eye? Having people committing and being convicted of criminal acts while holding high positions in the White House is more than a black eye. It’s actually, how should I put this so you understand … CRIMINAL activity in the White House!
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Cheney’s Chief of Staff Libby was tried, convicted and sentenced to jail for obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements to federal investigators. All criminal acts committed as a key member of the Republican White House.

HOLY CRAP!!!!
The Obama supporters call the right fascists and Obama has a non repentant Marxist working for the govt as a green advisor?
What is so ironic about the right calling the left commies for all these years and yet when Obama really has a self called communist and Marxist in the govt this is not front page top story on all the news outlets?!?!
When and did the president of the Untied States know Van Jones was a communist? What sort of joke is the vetting process if they didn’t know.
Do they care what he said HIMSELF and if so WHY did the white house not care.
Obama is called a socialist and that is hate speech and idiotic but HE APPOINTS A MARXIST AS AN ADVISER no one cares?!?!!?
I want answers! I want to know what the white house knew about this man! I want to know who hired him and did they know?
This is not a game. Bush has nothing to do with this. The GOP didn’t say what he said Van Jones did.
OBAMA APPOINTED A COMMUNIST/MARXIST ANARCHIST TO POSITION IN HIS ADMINISTRATION THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS.
I want answers I want the FBI to find answers and this ‘coward’ wants answers!!!
Or is the justice department to busy prosecuting the CIA than investigating this????? DAMMIT this is not a fricking joke THIS IS SERIOUS.
Obama said he wanted to change the united states.. INTO WHAT????
The cold war was not a game. Vietnam was not a game. Korea was not a game.
THIS IS SERIOUS. I WANT ANSWERS!!!!

“Black eye? Having people committing and being convicted of criminal acts while holding high positions in the White House is more than a black eye. It’s actually, how should I put this so you understand … CRIMINAL activity in the White House!”
Yeah…never, said it wasn’t…so when you’re done putting words in my mouth, why don’t you explain what your real point is here as it relates to Van Jones?
Until I hear otherwise, I’ll just consider you a truther that’s just defending your ideological agreement with Van Jones?

i absolutely agree that the bush administration allowed the 9-11 attacks to happen. Although i do not think they knew that the towers would come down or that planes would be flown into buildings, or that so many would die, they definitely knew that something was up because we have all heard about the intelligence that was ignored about those guys learning to fly planes in florida and i think they figured it would just involve highjacking so they let it happen in order to put forward the neo-con agenda. no way could that attack have happened in america unless we seriously let our guard down on purpose. we have the best intelligence in the world. bush wanted to attack iraq from the time he took office, if not before. come on, we are not stupid.

Surprise surprise.
ABC News is right now at this minute spilling the beans on Van Jones and showing many of his controversial clips.
It’s about time.
And there is Howard Dean saying that Van Jones is a “star”.
Smart move Howard. You look like an idiot saying Jones was tricked into signing the 9/11 petition.

The problem with Czars is that there is no approval/vetting process that Cabinet members are subject to.
Every member of our government is either directly elected, or submits to an approval process. The most recent was for
Sonia Sotomayor. Their past and present are carefully examined, and the full Senate votes up or down on the nominee.
Czars are appointed by the President.
While other Presidents have appointed Czars, no President has appointed so many. That fact alone should concern every American.
Congress needs to put a vetting process in place for Czars. That would have prevented someone like Van Jones from even being nominated.
Poor Van Jones. He’s been attacked with his own words, his own signature.
Didn’t anyone teach him to keep his words short & sweet, because sooner or later he’d have to eat them?
Well, someone should have.
Why is it so hard for some to admit that Van Jones never belonged in the White House.
I just wonder how many more Czars have skeletons rattling around. We certainly can’t count on the MSM to look into who’s running the country, now can we? I guess it’s more important to run that Levi Johnston’s latest dirty laundry.
How about running a story on who the Czars are, ABC?
Just pretend Bush is President.

“Yes, this was clearly outlined in the famous neo-con document. And Richard Clark points out clearly that while he tried to get the Bush administration’s attention focused on Al Qaeda, the administration told him to focus on Iraq. Both before 9/11 and immediately after. They were talking about attacking Iraq immediately following 9/11 even though all the evidence pointed away from Iraq and towards Al Qaeda.”
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Richard Clarke is a know-nothing self-important idiot.
Al Queda was in Iraq.
We had been at war with Iraq since 1990 when they invaded Kuwait.
Saddam had known WMD programs that he was also known to use, but that he wouldn’t account for to the UN search team.
The only person cheering the 9/11 attacks on that day besides the Paleostinians was Saddam Hussein.
The attack on Iraq was authorized by a bi-partisan Congress.
After we attacked Iraq, there were no more attacks on this country and our military took out significant numbers of AQ terrorists at the risk of their own lives.

“I think we can all agree they did a pretty poor job of preventing it.
Posted by: julieterra | Sep 6, 2009 6:45:15 PM”
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The lion’s share of the blame lies on the Clinton Administration, who had a feckless foreign policy, refused to get Osama Bin Laden even when he was offered to them by the Sudanese and who set up the Gorelick wall that forbade the CIA and FBI from trading critical information.
It’s a long road to walk between “not preventing it” and directly causing and planning the 9/11 attacks, julie, as Truthers like Van Jones allege.

Julie’s needle is stuck trying to equivocate and justify Van Jones’ radicalism by drudging up the corruption in the Bush Administration.

Richard Clark points out clearly that while he tried to get the Bush administration’s attention focused on Al Qaeda, the administration told him to focus on Iraq. Both before 9/11 and immediately after. They were talking about attacking Iraq immediately following 9/11 even though all the evidence pointed away from Iraq and towards Al Qaeda.
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Good point. Keep up the good fight, julie terra. Your energy never fails to astound me. There was stunning incompetence surrounding 9/11 and then the catastrophic events were used to start a pre-emptive war with Iraq based on contested intelligence, and also to condone torture. there are still many, many unanswered questions.
What just slays me is that the GOP mainstreams their radicals and radical ideas and ignites their echo chamber, sending out sharks to attack the left’s more passionate and charismatic progressives while using their existence and associations to radicalize the mods, like the President. It’s not over. There will be more shark attacks, of course. They brag about it. They’re proudly patting themselves on the back — but I’ve noticed while out and about this week, including today, that most people don’t care about this czar thing. And they sure don’t buy the government takeover baloney. They kinda roll their eyes, and say things like, “Isn’t Glenn Beck a conspiracy fruitcake? I thought he hung out with truthers and racists himself. What a hypocrite.” They think the school speech thing was so shrill and stupid that they shake their heads.
And that keeps me hopeful.
Keep up the good fight, julie terra!

Julies warped argumentation would be like trying to justify Bernie Madoff’s crimes because Charles Manson’s were so much worse.

Gore and Jones should get married. They both have much in common…love of each other and communist ideas.

I wonder if BO got VJ a job working for ole Al Bore…. got to be a payoff in this…

Its funny how the BO lackeys are trying to say that BO had NOTHING to do with this obvious firing…..

Alyson:”…but I’ve noticed while out and about this week, including today, that most people don’t care about this czar thing…”
Well there you have it. Guess we’re getting all worked up over nothing. So you have no objections to a proper vetting of the rest of Obama’s czars? People won’t care, so what’s the harm?
We’ll see this week how many people care. This story has long legs. It speaks to Obama’s judgment, what he and Valerie Jarrett think is acceptable thought and behavior for a presidential appointee. A Marxist in the White House. Yeah, I’m sure all those swing states in middle American don’t care about that at all.

Well ABC like all the pro-Obama media like NBC, CNN, CBS, and NYT will never bring anything up that will reflect badly on the Obama administration. Only the Fox News Channel tells the truth that the American public demands. The ratings don’t lie that the majority of viewers don’t trust the mainstream media outlets.
Van Jones stating that this was a smear campaign against him is ridiculous. Verify the facts on Van Jones’ background and beliefs and there’s nobody to blame but himself. The Truth the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth led to his demise!!!!

BH | Sep 6, 2009 7:02:56 PM Julies warped argumentation would be like trying to justify Bernie Madoff’s crimes because Charles Manson’s were so much worse.+++++++Thats seems to be the line of defense for pretty much every topic in these forums lately.

“The Republican Bush administration had Cheney’s Chief of Staff convicted and sentenced to jail on multiple criminal offenses committed in his duties in the White House.”
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Wrong again, julieterra!
It wasn’t the “Republican Bush administration.” It was a (black, Democrat) Washington, D.C. prosecutor and jury.
And it was one count of perjury.
President Bush commuted Libby’s sentence.
“Get some perspective. This guy signed a petition to demand an inquiry into 9/11, became a major activist after the Rodney King beating and flirted with organised communism as a way to get better rights for his community – then became a eco-capitalist. Big deal.”
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There is no way that VJ can be classified as any kind of “capitalist!”
He has declared that he loathes Capitalism and embraces Communism.
Check out his own words before you write another inane post defending him!

“His extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this Administration or the public debate.” This is rich, coming from a Republican.

“All these crimes were committed in the office of Vice President Cheney.”
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There were no “crimes” committed in Cheney’s office!
All of Washington knew that Plame was a CIA operative.
“This is the way Republicans behave in the 2nd highest office in the land.”
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I’m proud of them and wish they were still there!
I felt safe, protected and secure.
Can’t wait until we can impeach the lot of the NObama Administration who are destroying this country!
“Van Jones committed no such serious crime, and certainly not while serving in the office of the Vice President.”
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Van Jones has been given $20 BILLION–where is it???
And what does an avowed Communist like him do with $20 BILLION???
And what is a green job anyway???

“There were no “crimes” committed in Cheney’s office!”
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Try to stick to the facts Jenfidel, not your ideological ravings.
The Republican Bush administration had Cheney’s Chief of Staff convicted and sentenced to jail on multiple criminal offenses committed in his duties in the White House.
The jury convicted Libby on one count of obstruction of justice; two counts of perjury; and one count of making false statements to federal investigators.

So you have no objections to a proper vetting of the rest of Obama’s czars? People won’t care, so what’s the harm?
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Seems like a redundant use of resources to satisfy a small school of sharks, particularly ones who claim to be concerned about spending so I do object. The larger point is that most Americans aren’t worried about it– it’s just the fringe. I don’t think we need to feed the fringe.
Oh, and BH, to repeat, no, I’m not a twoofer. I don’t think much of conspiracy theories. I suggest you read posts more carefully.

“Try to stick to the facts Jenfidel, not your ideological ravings.
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The jury convicted Libby on one count of obstruction of justice; two counts of perjury; and one count of making false statements to federal investigators.
julieterra”
Libby was “convicted” because his memory was thought by the all black Democrat jury of being poorer than Tim Russert’s.
Some crime.
This is why President Bush commuted his sentence and didn’t issue him a pardon: so that Libby can appeal this sentence and have it overturned for the travesty of “justice”
that it is!
While you Leftoids cling to the Libby conviction for dear life, your pal- convicted and proven murderer- Mumia was “wrongfully convicted” and should be set free!

julieterra:”You should study the man’s history with a little more thoroughness and care. He once said he was a ‘communist’.
I used to be a Republican; does that mean I’m still a Republican?
NOT AT ALL!”
One does not make such profound and controversial public statements, form organizations and march in support of cop killers on a whim. Nor can such a past be easily dismissed simply because a person says they non longer believe in something that was the essence of their being for so many years of their life.
In fact, Van Jones’s claim of “that’s not me any more” is so laughable that Obama no longer has the benefit of the doubt with the American people. We haven’t heard the last of, “Obama WAS for single payer in 2002 but not any more.” Hmmm, suddenly that rings kind of hollow, wouldn’t you say?

“One does not make such profound and controversial public statements, form organizations and march in support of cop killers on a whim”
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Gotta love these generic condemnations of the man. It’s almost as if they were printed somewhere so you could read and follow it. How many ‘cop killers’ did this man march in support of? Do you know the circumstances? Do you know anything at all, or just what you’ve been fed? These are question.
By the way, I didn’t become a Republican ‘on a whim’ either.
Am I a Republican now? NOT AT ALL!

It never fails to amaze me how these clowns get so cocky after their party comes into power. This happens with both the Dems and Repubs and they never seem to learn from others mistakes

No Worries in Obamaland….A new CZAR has been created!!!!
just what we do not need.

Alyson wrote: “There was stunning incompetence surrounding 9/11 and then the catastrophic events were used to start a pre-emptive war with Iraq based on contested intelligence.”
First of all, there were over 40 Presidential Daily Briefings that dealt specifically with al Qaeda–13 of those meetings were due to responses to questions by President Bush or his top advisers. The CIA confirmed that the PDB dated August 6, 2001–”Bin Ladin Determined To Strike In US”–was compiled as a direct response to an inquiry by President Bush as to whether al Qaeda was planning an attack against the United States. That PDB concludes with:
“Nevertheless, FBI information since that time (1998) indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
“The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.”
Following that PDB, the Bush Administration began making changes. One of the areas looked at was the “wall” that prevented law enforcement from communicating with the intelligence agencies–a “wall” that was put into place by the Clinton Administration. The PDB mentions that BOTH the CIA and the FBI were investigating the SAME call to our embassy in the UAE. Could this group of bin Laden supporters been the 9/11 attackers? Had the FBI and CIA had a joint investigation could they have prevented the attacks of 9/11? Certainly, had the FBI and CIA been communicating with each other the months leading up the the attacks they likely could have put some of the “dots” together.
Now then actually the invasion of Iraq was really not a pre-emptive war. Technically it was a resumption of the 1991 Gulf War. That’s because Saddam Hussein never complied with any of the conditions of the 1991 Cease Fire. After 12 years of diplomatically trying to convince Saddam Hussein to comply failed, the UN Security Council issued it’s final ultimatum. When the UN Security Council made it clear they would not follow through on its ultimatum, President Bush issued one of his own. When that failed to convince Saddam Hussein to comply, President Bush rescinded the cease fire. One of the conditions of the cease fire was that Iraq had to prove they destroyed their WMDs. Of course since Saddam Hussein wanted his neighbors and the rest of the world to continue believing that Iraq had WMDs, he had no intentions of ever complying with the conditions of the cease fire.

julieterra:”Gotta love these generic condemnations of the man. It’s almost as if they were printed somewhere so you could read and follow it. How many ‘cop killers’ did this man march in support of? Do you know the circumstances? Do you know anything at all, or just what you’ve been fed? These are question.
By the way, I didn’t become a Republican ‘on a whim’ either.
Am I a Republican now? NOT AT ALL!”
No one really cares if you were a Republican or not. I voted for Mondale and Dukakis. So what?
There is nothing generic about my condemnations. I didn’t feel the need to recite chapter and verse all of Jones’s document radical ramblings. You can find them easily enough now that ABC “broke the story (lol)”. And rest assured my commentary is my own and comes from the heart. Just as I assume yours does. That’s what makes it so entertaining.
According to the San Franciso Gate newspaper Van Jones led a demonstration of about 150 people on October 7th, 1999 in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal, a convicted cop killer. They were upset that the Supreme Court rejected their claims that Mumia did not receive a fair trial. The case made headlines. I encourage you to the read the original SFGate story. There are some other interesting insights into Jones’s psyche.

I hope Republicans continue to probe what happened here with Van Jones.
How could the internet/bloggers so easily vet Jones’ radical, vile spewing anti-American background when the most powerful office, The White House, couldn’t.
Also,I think the Obama Administration needs to still be asked if they agree with Van Jones’ assertion that white polluters are poisioning people of color.
I mean Mr. Obama do you have those same thoughts about white polluters as your close friend Mr. Jones?

“According to the San Franciso Gate newspaper Van Jones led a demonstration of about 150 people on October 7th, 1999 in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal, a convicted cop killer”
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Okay, so you were wrong when you said earlier that he ‘marched in support of cop killers’ – he went in one march in support of one particular case.

Alyson:”…we’ve already argued about the rest, whether people who were radical for less than a decade of their fortyish year life can find a way to be less radical and more pragmatic. I believe, yes– and that we should encourage that… (ad hominem attack on the “right”, etc.)
Yes, I find it impossible to believe Jones had some sort of centrist epiphany although I can’t speak for anyone else. The main difference with Jones and all of your favorite conservative punching bags is … wait for it … Jones had incredible POWER. He was a Presidential appointee vested with the power to meddle with our energy policy yet the Senate never had a chance to approve of him. Why? Because he wrote a book about “green jobs”? Please.
Jones’s radicalism is in his political thought and philosophy, all of his own choosing. How you can compare that to the all too common human frailties of drug and alcohol addiction is beyond me. Look, even Obama threw him overboard. It’s time to move on, to Holdren perhaps?

It is frightening that such a person could be part of the White House staff and be so close to and the President.Was there a background check on this racist and anti American individual. If so who did it and do they still have their job?

Let us not forget that Van Jones’ proud revolutionary moment caused 55 deaths, destroyed/damaged thousands of businesses and cost over 1 billion dollars. Even though he was not charged, his boasting pride in his involvement in the tragic Rodney King riots is awful. Good luck carrying California in 2012, Obama!

“Okay, so you were wrong when you said earlier that he ‘marched in support of cop killers’ – he went in one march in support of one particular case.”
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I think it’s a huge difference. You implied this guy “marched against cop killers”. He did nothing of the sort. He went out in one particular situation he felt strongly enough about to organize a march.
By the way, it is neither against the law nor anti-american to march in protest.

“To me, it’s not obvious that there is a problem with the constitutionality– and the arguments I’ve heard have been pre-school level, not fully addressing the difference between these czars and past czars. I think it’s a fringe argument.”
Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution is the “Advice and Consent” Clause, “…and he (President) shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law …”
Would you be so bold if you were sitting before a Senate panel to argue that a czar is not a public Minister or Consul and the Senate has no right to provide advice and consent over their appointments? I would like to see that. I believe all czars, past and present, are unconstitutional.
Anywho, I admire your tenacity, your desire to see the good in people (as long as their not Republicans) and adherance to your ideology. Stick with it.
FWIW, JFK was and still is one of my heroes. We need more Democrats like him.

It’s not really funny how many people are defending this Van Jones. His words came from his mouth and people slander the messenger. Just because ABC is an inept news organization and now spins the actual time lines is a joke. Then I read a few blogs justifying Van Jones, because he was Time’s man of the year. Well just for the record Hitler was Time’s man of the year for 1938 in Jan. 1939 issue. What happened to principles in this country what has happened to disgrace every man that ever spilt blood for this country to now even debate such trash so close to our President. You defenders are very scary people and need to have your agendas exposed. By the way I hate both parties and value liberty over all ideologies.

He needed to resign. He is in a public office representing alot of people. Glad to see him gone.

Obama liked Jones’s views — what did you think? He knew most people let HIM through with his past involvements with socialist organization, his radical views on the economy, and his associations, so he figured it was safe to let someone just like him into the WH. Were it not for Glenn Beck, he’d have succeeded.

“By the way, it is neither against the law nor anti-american to march in protest.”
When did anyone ever imply that it’s not? It’s one of the most American things we can do. Jones led one legal demonstration is support of a convicted cop killer. Good for him, I guess. Apparently that won’t play in Peoria, however. This is national politics 101.

julieterra | Sep 6, 2009 9:25:06 PM what do you call saying that we need to pass this new unread trillion dollar healthcare bill in three weeks or else?

Great coverage guys. Maybe the next time you can cover a story before they resign.

Posted by: Jenfidel | Sep 6, 2009 9:21:21 PM
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Jen, you may want to read up on it a little more. Hitler wanted to change the name of the party. By the time, he took over, the few lefties still in the party were booted out. All of his alliances were on the right side of the political spectrum. He hated both communism and capitalism. His totalitarianism had roots in nationalism and racialism. Most scholars label Nazism as “fascism” which would make it extreme right wing totaliarianism. Granted once you get to either extreme in a totaliarian state, they resemble each other– but there does seem to be a lot of misguided conflating of socialism, communism, Marxism and Nazism that goes on.

Was this some type of government investigation?+++++My question is who has the authority to investigate since this commie was appointed, no election,no vetting or confirmation proceedings and he only reports to the president

mw wrote: “I’m afraid it will take a direct refusal to be manipulated by all Americans who currently listen to these hate spewing demagogues, before we can get back on track and focus on the issues.”
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We are off to a good start, don’t you think? Who should be next — Jarrett or Obama himself? I look forward to helping out in the effort with all my heart and soul, whoever’s next.
Long live American freedom!

You defenders are very scary people and need to have your agendas exposed. By the way I hate both parties and value liberty over all ideologies.
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Sure. Claiming you’re so scared of people with opinions that differ from yours and that you think we need to have our “agendas” exposed pretty much exposes you as a Glenn Beck parrot. You may not be an idealogue, but demagogues are worse.
Oh look. Here’s your cue to cry for the camera.

Valerie Jarrett who was born in Shiraz, Iran w/American parents and has been Senior Advisor to the President and Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Relations and Public Liaison HAD INTRODUCED VAN JONES WHO IS THE COMMUNIST, RACISM, AND INSULTING OF AMERICA, FORMER THE PRESIDENT OF USA, THE PARTY TO OBAMA. I’ve found that there are a huge loophole in Jarrett’s
duties which has not check Van Jones’s background at all before recommendation him to the President of USA. The Jarrett, as a Advisor to the President,
has made a big and big mistake.

And again from F*X news . . . .
“In 2004 Jones signed a statement calling for then-New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer and others to launch an investigation into evidence that suggests “people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.”
If you right wingers could read you would see the petition F*X brings to light reads an investigation what “MAY” have happened. An investigation into what ‘may’ have happened. Oh! how shocking . …
The lesson as always, right wingers lie.

“Your spin is your spin. We all have our spin.”
We may have our own spin, we do not have our own facts. Let me share a few with you:
Jones was a self-described “communist” during the 1990s and previously worked with a group dedicated to Marxist and Leninist philosophies. His comments, even in recent years, were often racially charged. He’s blamed “white polluters and white environmentalists” for “steering poison” to minority communities. In 2005, he drew a distinction between white and black youths involved in shooting incidents by referencing the 1999 Columbine High School massacre.
“You’ve never seen a Columbine done by a black child. Never,” Jones said. “They always say, ‘We can’t believe it happened here. We can’t believe it’s these suburban white kids.’ It’s only them!” he said. “Now, a black kid might shoot another black kid. He’s not going to shoot up the whole school.”
But go ahead, reverse the words “white” with “black” in the quotes above and then try to tell me that you would consider it a racist statement if a Republican had made it. In fact, the media has crucified whites of all ideologies for far less racially charged statements.

bassman wrote: “The media can deny the “death Panel” beliefs all they want. The truth is Sarah Palin won that debate. The book Your Life, Your Choices proves her point for her.”
Sarah Palin’s death panels and Michael Steele’s VA suicide book have both been rated “Pants on Fire” lies by Politifact. So you’re saying one lie has been proven true by another lie. Shyeah, right.

Julieterra wrote: “By the way, it is neither against the law nor anti-american to march in protest.”
Peaceful protest, yes! Riot, NO! The Rodney King riot left 53 dead and resulted in $1 billion in damaged property. Certainly you aren’t advocating that killing 53 people and causing property damage is “neither against the law nor anti-american!”

“If you right wingers could read you would see the petition F*X brings to light reads an investigation what “MAY” have happened. An investigation into what ‘may’ have happened. Oh! how shocking . ..”
All Van Jones has been accused of is regarding 9/11 is signing the above petition. Stick to the facts.

“Certainly you aren’t advocating that killing 53 people and causing property damage is “neither against the law nor anti-american!”"
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Didn’t say it was. Did anybody say killing 53 people was not against the law?

“Julie, if Sarah Palin
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You think signing a petition asking for a full investigation of 9/11 is anywhere near in the same ballpark? If you say ‘yes’, you haven’t seen some of things the Government of the United States has been involved in – secretly – and behind the backs of it citizens.

Okay, julieterra, the posters may have misspoken. But that’s really a minor thing in the grand scheme of things. People make mistakes.
Said more correctly: “He’s a self-admitted thief, but he wasn’t charged or convicted of a crime, as far as I know.” Happy now? LOL.
Jones: “Yes, the Great Revolutionary Moment had at long last come. And the time, clearly, was ours! So we stole stuff. Y’know, stole stuff. Radios, tennis shoes. Well, not everybody, of course.”

One down many more to go …
1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar
We have work to do lets go!

“If you say ‘yes’, you haven’t seen some of things the Government of the United States has been involved in – secretly – and behind the backs of it citizens.”
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BH – I really am disappointed. Have you not paid attention to American history over the past decades? It is not news that the Government has had all kinds of secret programs run behind the backs of its citizens . . .
You’re kidding right with your false sense of indignation? Right?

“It is not news that the Government has had all kinds of secret programs run behind the backs of its citizens…”
I think you need to layoff watching the Alias reruns.

“we had an extensive 911 investigation that fully investigated 911 and completely torched the Bush and Clinton Admins. It was a complete and full investigation”
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I don’t know alot about that investigation, so I can’t comment with any informed knowledge.
I do know the investigation has been harshly critisized by many. I do know they spent many, many times more investigating Bill Clinton’s office romance than they did investigating 9/11.
And no, I do not trust the government.

“I do know the investigation has been harshly critisized by many. I do know they spent many, many times more investigating Bill Clinton’s office romance than they did investigating 9/11.”
The length of an investigation is irrelevant if its findings are substantive, thorough and contain a well documented methodology to support its conclusions. I have seen no credible expert, by any objective standard, conclude that the investigation was incomplete or that Bush came out smelling like a rose as a result of the commission’s findings.

Czars having policy authority are distinct from typical presidential ‘advisors’ who have no policy implementation authority. That is what makes them un-constititional appointments, because they abrogate the system of ‘checks and balances’ that our founding fathers so thoughtfully put in place.
Article 2, Section 2 of the US Constitution states: “…and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.”

Van Jones chose to resign. It was his choice. He’s a big boy. Why blame anyone else for his choice. Can libs EVER take responsibility for their own actions? If Van Jones is so wonderful why didn’t he stay & fight for his job? Libs say Palin is a quiter??! Big tough Van Jones takes a week or two of one network shining the spotlight on him while ALL the others cover for him and Van Jones the brilliant quits!?? Think about it. He didn’t take a fraction of the beating that Palin & her family has had to endure and the guy folds faster than a limp noodle!! Just answer one question: If Van Jones is such a genius great asset for our country, our environment, our economy & our future why didn’t Obama fight like hell to keep him? He didn’t even ATTEMPT to fight for him. He doesn’t seem any more bothered watching Van Jones go under the bus than his former pastor the Rev. Wright. Why is that?

“What are you going to do about having a Communist in the White House? We tried to stop this from happening, but you Dems won the election anyway because none of you stopped and thought about who he had been associating with and what he had been saying all these years.”
Er, I thought the Republican rallying cry during the campaign was that Obama was a closet socialist who pals around with terrorists. When exactly did “socialist” become “communist?”

EWO, the Van Jones is quitter angle after one week is an interesting one. Palin had to endure months of the kind of media pressure that Van Jones caved in on in just a few days.

“You think it’s funny when the Vice President’ Chief of Staff perjures himself, obstructs justice, makes false statements to federal investigators and is sentenced to jail..”
I think it’s irrelevant to the Van Jones situation. The Bush Administration ended on Jan. 20th of this year, and given that Dems. completely control Congress and the WH this obsession with the past needs to stop being an excuse for why this Congress and WH can’t move forward.

“Maybe when Jones was vetted by Glenn Beck and others?”
Er, and they did this vetting during the campaign?

Obama’s Communist leanings were talked about in the campaign, called by the kinder word “socialism.” All of his lovely associations…. etc. etc. Google if you’ve forgotten or slept through it all.

Progressive is the eupemism for socialism and as Vladimir Lenin said, “the goal of socialism is communism.”

“Obama’s Communist leanings were talked about in the campaign, called by the kinder word ‘socialism.’”
Heh, I knew you were pulling our collective leg, tanarg.

I’m sure many of you have seen Glenn Beck’s hit list, but if not, his latest twitter asks his “Watch Dogs” to “FIND EVERYTHING YOU CAN ON CASS SUNSTEIN, MARK LLOYD AND CAROL BROWNER.” And warns “Do not link before burning to disc.” As with Dr. Emanuel, conservative websites have already started reading Sunnstein’s most theoretical writing and pumping up the sound bites and portions that out of full context sound really strange. You know, cuz that’s how it works. Be prepared :>)

“Tell me about it! The right has taken fear mongering to a whole new level these days.”
Yeah it’s “fear mongering” to ask that a truther resign for his racism and real fear mongering.
Btw, if there is nothing to these “fear” tactics why is it that Obama is so easily panicking. I though the “vast right wing conspiracy” nutter talk died last November when the Dems swept all facets of govt.

Funny thing is they say the right is racist for their protest over health care while the only real racist crap is comming from the Czars and Bamas buddies.
We are on to them now, using the race card no longer works we just come at you all harder.

“As with Dr. Emanuel, conservative websites have already started reading Sunnstein’s most theoretical writing and pumping up the sound bites”
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The right wing (as manifested on here at least) is at an advantage at times because they have no morals or ethics – the truth doesn’t matter, treating people fairly doesn’t matter, just the damage done. They are like german shepherd attack dogs.
Liberals on the other hand, being liberals, tend towards treating people properly and fairly, honesty, justice and such.
A generalization, and not absolute, but there’s truth in there.
Fortunately the attacks on Emmanuel didn’t really get much traction. And many future attacks on others won’t either.
Unfortunately for Van Jones, he really was a community activist working hard to help people living in alienation, poverty and disadvantage – and if you do that (especially as a younger person) you come across ideas of activism from all over various societies, and you might well get involved in collective power, shared community resources, community ownership as possible solutions – and if you care, strong activism along those lines. You might even join or start a marxist community movement – whatever the hell that is . . .
There are many ways to build up strong communities and strong communities are important to strong countries.
He eventually morphed into something that was probably very worthwhile to pursue – eco-capitalism. And since he was a graduated lawyer and a surviver, he probably had a lot of intelligence, ingenuity and entrepreneurial smarts.
He was well-admired by many people including people very highly placed in McCain’s campaign.
Regrettably for him, the resume is too easy to pick at – signing a 9/11 petition means nothing – as is pointed out some of Beck’s associates are questioners about 9/11. Still, the right are attack dogs, and Beck attacks for big, big bucks. I’m sure there’ll be a reward for him.

You don’t have to focus on the radicalism in this administration because the incompetence speaks for itself.
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Jones is unable to define what a “green job” is. In fact, no one is.
President Obama devoted nearly $60 billion of his stimulus package to building a new green-based economy rich in renewable energy and strategies to cut carbon. But despite the price tag, not one green job yet exists. It comes down to a problem of etymology. No one can yet agree on what a green job actually is.
Good thing we allocated $60 billion to allegedly create a numbers of something no one can define.
The working definition paints a broad stroke: a job that’s good for the economy while simultaneously healing the earth. But that leaves lots open to interpretation-natural gas is technically a cleaner fuel than crude oil, but it’s still unsustainable-making it difficult, if not impossible, to measure whether eco-based jobs are being created and whether, as the administration has claimed, they’re the saviors of a sagging economy.
the Leftist group The Apollo Alliance claimed credit for helping to write the stimulus bill, which steered $60 billion towards developing “green jobs.” Which coincidentally is their mission:
The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of labor, business, environmental, and community leaders working to catalyze a clean energy revolution that will put millions of Americans to work in a new generation of high-quality, green-collar jobs.
Again, they can’t define what “green jobs” are. Again, no one can.
On The Apollo Alliance Board is Van Jones, who got the “Green Jobs Czar” gig overseeing the $60 billion.
Will Jones direct any of that copious coin back to his current/former pals at The Apollo Alliance to help not create any undefinable “green jobs?”

Fear-mongering of the “Pants on Fire” variety, emanating from the far right end of the spectrum:
•Obama wants to mandate circumcision
•Children will be indoctrinated and grandchildren may be aborted
•Forced abortions plus sterilants in drinking water to control population
•Mandatory euthanasia counseling sessions
•A VA manual encouraging vets to commit suicide
•Death Panels

Liberals on the other hand, being liberals, tend towards treating people pr0perly and fairly, honesty, justice and such.
Really?? Like the continued attacks on Palin? Maybe like accusing the guy that showed up at a town house with an assault rifle of being a white sup only to find out he was black?
Maybe it was the Van Jones videos that did it.
You all got the first dose (yes I said first) of your own medicine and you hate mongers are now getting the same you have been dishing out!

“Like the continued attacks on Palin?”
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Sarah Palin made a fool of herself over and over again. She attacked her own credibility every time she opened her mouth.
People didn’t even have to make up lies about her – just showing what she said was enough.

julieterra, a year ago I would have labeled you an Obama blogger, now I just think either uninformed or afraid to admit yu are wrong.
Palin had experience issues but as a VICE and not PRES she would now be cleaning this dirty, filthy corrupt goverment out. I cannot believe we have a Dem congress women praising Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. Feeling tired please dont ask me to research for you again.

Couldn’t tell the “difference between Palin’s fact and SNL comedy skit”
That’s because several of the skits SNL ran they didn’t change a word Palin said. They didn’t have to – they ran her words as she had spoken them. It was so ridiculous it was comedy without being rewritten.

PotatoeGater22
I challange you to find a single place where she actually said that, this does not include Saturday night live.

The leftists were going crazy over Cheney and Haliburton. Well what if Cheney was on the board of Haliburton, then had Haliburton write a spending bill, then oversaw defense contracts and funneled the money from said bill to Haliburton. They wouldn’t have to worry about going after him for some CIA BS, they could have arrested him for that.

It is time to go, the more I read the more I lose faith in Democracy. It is the rights you were given that are being used to take them away, At a point one must let you learn from the mistake.
It has always been my thought that unlike Rush, I ope he succeds. My wife is from Yugoslavia, when they chain you up I have another passport to escape with.
Be careful, you may get what you wish for.

“Like the continued attacks on Palin?”
she was one of the primary reasons republicans and independents abandoned McCain to vote for Obama, along with a dreadful 8 year record….
Palin is somewhat unique, even with her inability to articulate any cogent, sensible positions during the campaign, and on occasion, make absolutely no sense at all, add the discovery of many shall we say partial truths and exaggerations about her record in Alaska…… she is still thought of as Thomas Jefferson… very strange imho…..
re: julieterra’s point about showing up at meetings with guns…
that is not normal….and if you think of recent history, the last few people to show up with guns at a political shot, J.F.K, R.F.K, M.L.K.
Ronald Reagan, attempted to shoot G. Ford.
when a person shows up at a political rally on health care, to prove he can bring his gun out in public… there’s something seriously wrong with that person and the reasoning behind their action.
The ‘right’ has become pretty hysterical about Obama’s speech to school kids, ranting about indoctrination..it’s easy to find the info on previous presidents doing these kind of talks with kids, but….
surprising how everyone doesn’t realize all the real indoctrination we’ve all received in our schooling with regard to american history.

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remember this?
from ADN:
“A legislative investigation has concluded that Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in pushing for the firing of an Alaska state trooper who was once married to her sister, or by failing to prevent her husband Todd from doing so.
The report by investigator Steve Branchflower was made public late this afternoon by a bipartisan 12-0 vote of the Legislative Council, which authorized the investigation.
Branchflower’s report contains four findings. The first concludes that Palin violated the state’s executive branch ethics act, which says that “each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
Let me guess. That doesn’t count. Eyeroll. Neither does her extreme rhetoric or her church or her associations.
Actually, I don’t think they are conclusive– I think she’s just unqualified to be a VP– but if she was a Democrat, would you?
Ah, the hypocrisy.

She ‘resonates’ because she resembles and has about as much depth and intelligence as a character on an afternoon soap opera.
No depth, no intelligence – but she seems so FAMILIAR!
Posted by: julieterra | Sep 7, 2009 1:53:09 AM
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That’s funny, julie. But I’d LOVE to meet a moderate she resonates with. Most moderates I know ran from the Republican ticket after McCain chose her as VP.

“Palin cited the 20 ethics complaints brought against her and her staff when she announced her resignation as governor. Most have been dismissed, although a legislative committee found Palin had abused her power when she dismissed a public safety commissioner who refused to fire her sister’s ex-husband.” – UPI, Sept. 4, 2009.
I even cited a MSM source for you Alyson.
“Most have been dismissed..” LOL. All but one have been dismissed and the one that “stuck” was because Palin fired her sister’s ex-husband who was abusive and even tasered his own kid. If you read the findings of that report, you come to the conclusion any “abuse” was technical at best. And, what I was really getting to was that the net result of that legislative committee resulted in 0 sanctions and 0 political damage.
For the record, I’m no Palin fan or apologist. I personally don’t think she commands the intelligence or character necessary to run the country – of course, neither does Obama in my book. But the media’s determination to destroy this woman has been breathtaking and trumped up ethics violations are a headache every governor has to deal with…of course, we only seem to hear about such “violations” with governors whose names are followed by an R.

“All but one have been dismissed…”
Don’t forget about the one where a settlement was negotiated by lawyers. From ABC News:
“Palin already is drafting changes to her 2007 and 2008 tax returns, spokesman Bill McAllister said. This comes after learning that she is responsible for taxes on personal use of a state vehicle and nearly $18,000 she improperly collected as expenses from the state while staying at her Wasilla home about 40 minutes from Anchorage.”

5 billion of the 60 billion in stimulus received by Van Jones was to go to weatherization and the rehiring of laid off construction workers. As of July according to the AP not one dime had been spent. The money has been tied up in the bureaucracy because the non profits haven’t received instructions on who or how to hire. Not one laid off construction worker has been hired, not one window has been installed.

Ah, welcome to the party ABC. You are pretty late, however. We are almost ready to go home and plan the next one.
–Conservative America–

Posted by: BH
Glen Beck found some statements by Jones that are offensive to the ‘right’, granted…..
offending the ‘right’ is not a capital crime…but
are they any more offensive than Marsha Blackburn not knocking down ‘death panels’? implying that Obama wants to kill older americans?
or the insanity that was the birth certificate craze..and actually parading Orly Taitz on TV as some kind of ‘informed authority’, and listening to some Republicans in D.C say they don’t know if the elected president of the United States is a real citizen..?
or Ms. Palin’s “the America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” ..
or all the nazi/hitler nonsense….
doesn’t it seem to you a little bit much to compare Obama with a person and events that murdered 10 million and was responsible for around 75 million deaths worldwide?
I won’t even get into the wrong minded comparisons of pre WW2 Germany and America in 2009.
when one has no position or policy, the result is what we see today, imagined hysteria to gain political support, all part of the political game…
the unfortunate thing of course, is that we are not in the ‘game’, until we vote., assuming that we do vote, with a somewhat informed vote….
btw: I don’t believe Palin could ever get elected. Back in the day, Gary Hart dared the media to catch him.. and the media did,
Palin is a similar thing, she placed herself in a ‘holier. more patriotic than thou’ spotlight, and found out that spotlights are very hot.

“Those hounding Jones are cut of the same cloth as those who hounded Tom Paine. Were Paine, the person who invented the United States of America, alive today he would have vastly more in common with Jones than with Obama.”
LOL. This is simply too absurd for words…
Paine invented the USA? Dude. Study an 8th grade history book someday.

“A parallel investigation performed by the Personnel Board at the behest of Palin did not find any wrongdoing.”
The Personnel Board members are appointed by what authority? The governor’s office, you say? And what authority has the power to fire Personnel Board members? The governor’s office, you say?
Heh.

Palin’s interview with Couric was on or about 9/24 the same day McCain suspended his campaign. His standing in the polls had already eroded as consumer confidence had plummeted since Labor Day. Palin rallied the base and attracted moderates, but ultimately McCain was still at the top of the ticket and the blame or credit would ultimately rest with him – because voters ultimately vote for the Presidential candidate not VP.

Palin’s interview with Couric was on or about 9/24 the same day McCain suspended his campaign. His standing in the polls had already eroded as consumer confidence had plummeted since Labor Day.
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Ah. I didn’t remember those being at the same time. Well, THAT was a bad week. LOL.

but that doesn’t mean voters do not have a right to be outraged
Posted by: BH
no argument there, but there is a difference between being ‘outraged’ and,, hysteria and blind rage….
re: czars in Obama’s Administration with tens of billions at their disposal to distribute to their buddies
while I understand your concern here, it’s difficult to have this discussion after 9 months, and after Iraq and the many no-bid contracts and 9 billion in cash that was ‘lost’.. I hope you understand that I draw the comparison just to show not that anything is more right or wrong or equivalent, only to suggest that the end of Obama’s 4 years will really determine the proof of his policy decisions…. we know about the enormous cost of Iraq, both in life and money,
many mistakes were made…

Awesome post!
Posted by: Alyson
most kind…. nothing like a patriotic pint of Sam Adams and a dram of colonial bourbon to inspire the soul to lofty heights…… ;-)

Rep. Pence, who describes himself as “Christian, Conservative, Republican, in that order,” said Jones’s “extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate.”
Beyond the obvious here (the hate-filled rhetoric we see every day from racist, right-wing wackos, including those in public office), it is an interesting comment considering that Pence is an extremist right-wing evangelical Christian who has taken thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Blackwater’s owner, Erik Prince.
Prince has also donated to Pence’s Political Action Committee “Principles Exalt a Nation.” In December 2007, three months after Blackwater operatives gunned down 17 Iraqi civilians in Baghdad’s Nisour Square, Pence and his Republican Study Committee, which serves “the purpose of advancing a conservative social and economic agenda in the House of Representatives,” organized a gathering to welcome Prince to Washington. “Not only has Mr. Prince personally been targeted by partisan warfare repeatedly over the past months, but the use of contracting throughout the government has been under attack by this Congress,” Pence’s committee’s statement said. Should Pence resign for cavorting with and accepting campaign cash from a man who allegedly “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe,” in the words of a former employee?

“so I think your bingo is a little premature.”
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Not at all. The Bush administration really did ‘misplace’ $9 Billion in Iraq. It isn’t just the pretend look into the future you’re taking, it really happened – the Republicans have really led the way on this.
Seems to me Rumsfeld had also just ‘misplaced’ several Billion in the Defense department when 9/11 hit.
The Republicans are always the pot calling the kettle black, LOUDLY and with great VEHEMENCE, but they’re too egotistical to even see it. Hypocrites.
We haven’t forgotten.

“this is gonna be too much fun watching the frantic lefties”
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Lefties?
There are no ‘lefties’ in Amerca. There are only extremist Republican right wingers . . . and everybody else.

THE BIGGER THE GOVERNMENT GROWS – THE SMALLER THE INDIVIDUAL BECOMES. SPOT ON AND HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. A CONCEPT THAT LIBS CANNOT COMPREHEND.

Under fire, Obama fires! Unbelievable BS!

a White House official conceded Sunday that Jones’ past statements weren’t as thoroughly scrubbed due to his relatively low rank. >>>> LOW Rank in charge of 60 BILLION Dollars? That is what the White House Feels is CHUMP CHANGE? OMG what kind of morons did we send to Washington.

And all the left can do is put its hands in its pockets and try to bring up the past. The present hurts too much to comment on. Obama HIGH unemployment HUGE spending unprecedented deficit wants to Push Cap and Trade ANOTHER job killer and tax increases to kill more jobs. What kind of morons are in the White House. Harvard and Yale need to be turned into a Wal Marts for turning out these failures.

And Obama likes this guy? Strange stuff goings on!

Andrew Breitbart sums it up nicely:
“For most people in this country, the resignation was the first they had heard of Van Jones.
For this sin of journalistic omission, there’s institutional media blame.
Bias is too tame a word for the utter shamelessness on display:
Only Republican scandals – real and imagined – matter.”

“There are no ‘lefties’ in Amerca. There are only extremist Republican right wingers . . . and everybody else.”
LOL! Don’t get over to Democratic Underground, Huffington Post, or Daily Kos much, do you?

“There are no ‘lefties’ in Amerca. There are only extremist Republican right wingers . . . and everybody else.”
Oh, please. A truther lecturing all of us about the “myth” of left-wing extremism.
It’s no wonder the nutter left doesn’t understand its opposition.

“Our question is, will the green wave lift all boats? That’s the moral challenge to the people who are the architects of this new, ecologically sound economy. Will we have eco-equity, or will we have eco-apartheid? Right now we have eco-apartheid.” – Van Jones, 2005.
Yup, no racism here. LOL.

More Van Jones gems:
“I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’”
“I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”
“I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, [1995 - I believe] and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.”

“There’s a tradition of very nasty polemics on the left. I’ve seen it split coalitions, movements, parties. This is my concern: it’s easy to start a fight, it’s hard to finish a fight.” – Van Jones
Speaking truth to power!

“A best-selling author who has been heralded as an innovative thinker in the “green jobs” movement, Jones had come under fire from conservative media and lawmakers for past statements for which he apologized Thursday.”
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Why didn’t he come under fire from the MSM, your network included? Do you all think his comments and views are A-OK? This is exactly why the MSM is going down the tubes. It’s shameful.

Pew Research reportes that Obama is rapidly losing white voters.
Since April Obama’s approval among white Democrats has dropped 11 pts.
9 pts. among white Independents
12 pts among white women
But Charlie Rangel, BO supporters and some Democrats are stupid enough to blame Obama’s problems on white people.
And Obama appoints Van Jones who clearly is a race-baiter.
What a clueless bunch in the WH.

retrofitted
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Retrofitted being the key word. At least your transparent about your methods. Sigh.

Obama loses all around.
He didn’t have the guts to defend Jones publically–angering the progressives.
He didn’t have the guts to criticize Jones for all the offensive racial comments–feeds the idea that Obama is himself a radical.
More proof that Obama simply doesn’t have the backbone to take a stand either way and cannot be trusted.

“Five years ago, I wouldn’t have been caught dead with Fox News on in my home, now I watch it 24/7 because they are the only ones with the professionalism to actually bring the whole news to America, not some Obama-biased form of it.”
Then you probably heard these “Fair and Balanced” comments that aired recently on Fox:
•Just when you think this administration can’t get any more surreal and Orwellian, here they come to indoctrinate our kids.
•They do this type of thing in North Korea and the former Soviet Union … very cultish.
•The left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and as junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda.
•Gee, who is having indoctrination next week? Oh, yeah, that’s right, the president…
•I think the President IS Jeremiah Wright.
•Democrats and Progressives… have their boot heels on the necks of poor, black, and Hispanic children everywhere in America… Now they’re attacking old people. They want old people to die sooner.
•The People’s Republic of Pelosi will never go along with it.
And you probably saw this banner across the bottom of the screen: “Intentinal [sic] death sentence? Pastor’s fears over health care reform.”

The MSM didn’t even bother to vet Obama.
Why would they bother with Van Jones?
What a sorry excuse for journalism.
They don’t deserve to be called news outlets.

Even though that statement is not worth wasting time on
Posted by: Ferrari5858
you now understand why ‘sweeping generalizations’ about either side don’t add anything to the discussion

I don’t feel Van Jones was given the chance to change anything he was to busy being under attack.I feel we have lost a good man for the job just because he didn’t want to waste the presidents time trying to defend him as he was aware that the president had to many other things to focuse on besides him.I just hate we didn’t give him the chance he deserved to show the people what he could have done.At some point we will regret not have given him the chance to show us what he was capable of doing.God Bless America as we are going to need it.

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Just goes to show that the people that have no lives watch Faux news daily and nightly. The rest of the world lives on as their viewers are told what to think. Faux news — it’s the new Jerry!

All the people who criticized Van Jones have done or said things much worse.
ABC News is starting to sound more and more like Fox every day. The “controversy” about Van Jones is not that big a deal. UBER-HYPOCRITE Glenn Beck has said much worse, AND said it on tv, AND never apologized, AND all conservatives continue to back him up.
The truth is that the major story this year is that American conservatives have started a political civil war against the Dems, using lies, fear and hate. And the major networks, ABC included, won’t say anything about it. They won’t point it out. They won’t give it a name. Is this journalism? Or is ABC just broadcasting the conservatives’ talking points?

To those who claim Beck has done worse and not apologized: Glenn Beck is not working for the
White house, he is in the private sector. Nor is Glenn Beck responsible for directing $30 billion dollars of taxpayer’s dollars.

Van Jones was arrested for inciting a riot after Rodney King…he proudly describes the looting and destruction of Asian businesses of that terrible day..and night. He was/is proud of how he was able to work thugs into a frenzy of looting, burning and smashing private property. He like so many of BOs buddies, is a racist thug.

Glenn Beck said the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population.”
So when are you Constitutional Watchdogs gonna sic ‘im?

Is this an attempt at unbiased journalism? If so, it falls short. Why not mention the other comments this man uttered? Poor blacks being poisoned,by whites, hmm, it is in the past, he is a changed man, since Feb of this year? Go ahead , Google this guy,,,,
How can we trust an administration that is this inept to take care of the things that really count? It is really scarey,,,They break their own rules, change their own rules according to their desires,throw away most of our Constitution and are working on our Bill of Rights. What is next? hmm,,,the media? The media better start doing their job or they will lose in the end too. Investigate, ask questions, demand answers, you are supposed to be the watchdogs,,,Don’t be afraid to tell the whole truth,good and bad, as long as you let them know you are watching them.

Funny how the racist White House is now dealing with a double edge sword. CNN, CBS, ABC, and others are saying the White House is under attack and the American public is paying attention. CNN Alex Berker said the hiring will drop the president approval ratings even more than the 27 point slide since May.

Presidents tend to appoint people of like mind. 1 Communist down, hundreds to go.

There’s no excuse for this. And whoever argues otherwise is succumbing to the socialist agenda of the current white house. Obama refused to wear the American flag pin on his suit, until a disabled veteran gave him one before a speech, so he felt obliged to wear it. Textbook do-good’ers are all suckered….

President Obama’s vetting of people in his administration continues to be a problem. What makes it even worse is that these peoples past can easily be found out in today’s information age.
One need only do a search on Van Jones and you will find more than enough fodder in which to blemish the president’s appointment to this position. Cronyism has been a hallmark of Chicago politics and the president coming from that environment continues that, by appointing people without first learning about past associations.
The president is fast becoming his own worst enemy.

BY HIS OWN WORDS VAN JONES IS A HATER. DO WE REALLY NEED MORE HATERS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. HE WANTS TO DESTROY THE U.S. AS WE KNOW IT. JUST LIKE OBAMA.

It took you a while to report on this.
Where were you weeks ago when Van Jones was appointed? His credentials and attitudes were known back then.
Do you actually do any journalism at ABC?

I am amazed that abc finally came out with this at all. Where were you when Beck broke the story? I googles Jones and learned in 3 minutes what he was “about”. Is the media involved in covering up things we as citizens have a right to know. Shame on you ABC!