White House Says Illegal Immigrants Will Be Explicitly Barred from Using Health Insurance Exchange

So WH and POTUS beleive that? Check the numbers today-this is NOT a vote of confidence in their record on “transparency”

“Oh, the White house sets the “rules”, whatever happened to the form of government that I studied in high school civics? Could it be that this White House didn’t study civics?
Actually the Constitution doesn’t even mention any powers for the “White House” as such!”
Ed Taylor | Sep 12, 2009 10:41:23 AM
In my Jr High I learned the President has both freedom of speech and veto power. And yes, those are both mentioned in the Constitution. You should try giving it a refresher read sometime.

“Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.
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This makes no sense.
1. They use services we pay for anyway.
2. They will not get a subsidy.
3. The argument is that a Larger pool would reduce costs, thus we would not need a PO
4. Political posturing, lack of spine, not doing the right thing, giving credence to the boogeyman, does as much to deystroy reform as the GOP

“then why does the congressional research service say that hr3200 by heinz waxman states that it does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens from participating in the public option exchange… read the bill……”
bill davis | Sep 12, 2009 10:48:25 AM\
You should read the article above – the entire point is that Obama is no longer pushing HR3200, or any of the other 4 bills that are out there in some form, he has laid out what he wants to see in a bill he’ll sign and is pushing that alone. What he wants to see has pulled items from several of the bills, and also addressed some of the fear mongering (you really want 40 pages banning illegals rather than the adequate 2 lines? fine).
And if you read the bill, you know illegals would have been permitted to buy private insurance, but receive no subsides regardless of whether they used the exchange or not.

Watch – when this proves to be false …Biden wil say “we just didnt know….we didnt realize .” just like they are saying about their response to a worsening economy and rising unemployment. We “just didnt realize folks…but trust us..we will be looking into it. ” Not good enough… Do not let Obama bankrupt our economy because we are already in real trouble folks. The numbers they are presenting are not accurate and they know it .

In the face of this kind of equivocation and chicanery of the White House it is absolutely idiotic to say that Joe Wilson has insulted the President in any way.The President actually deserved what Joe has said.

Why all the comments about ‘illegal aliens’? Step one is it to make all ‘illegal aliens’ legal therefore no illegal aliens will exist to apply for Obamacare.

BALOGNA!!!!!

Personally, I think you reporters are giving this man too much time and publicity. He is not worth it. Anyone who can do that to the president at that time, deserves to be outed from the republican party. I watched Michael Steele run away from reporters as he did not want to become involved in this mess. This kind of reporting is not a good one as you give the loonies out there what they want. Insted of giving it a one line and going on to more pressing things, you all keep it in the public’s eye for a longer time than necessary. I think Bill Maher is correct…reporters need to rethink what they cover. That is why in the CNN poll reporters and commentators came in near the bottom. People can see what is going on.

“but had no mechanism for determining whether or not someone was here legally or illegally, rendering the prohibition largely symbolic.”
ken | Sep 12, 2009 11:09:48 AM
This is a lie. HR 3200 explicitly banned illegal immigrants from receiving any *subsidizes* (if they are buying at market rate, then really it’s better for us if they do buy insurance – and the bill would fine them under tax law if they did not). It also, in legally binding language, REQUIRED the creation of a system of verifying this:
“Sec. 241(b)(1), pg 130 : “the Commissioner shall establish a process whereby, on the basis of information otherwise available, individuals may be deemed to be affordable credit eligible individuals.” ”
Bear in mind that in the worse case, we will have another Republican president and that language gives him/her the explicit power to put in place as tight a verification process as they wish. And it would NOT allow the current commissioner to do nothing, nor would it allow a merely symbolic check box.

Jhw539 wrote: “In my Jr High I learned the President has both freedom of speech and veto power. And yes, those are both mentioned in the Constitution.”
And so is the fact that Congress can override a veto with a 2/3 vote.
Now then, there is NO WAY that President Obama will veto a healthcare reform bill that Congress passes. Not even if it will increase the deficit AND especially not even if it allows for illegal immigrants to participate in the public option. All President Obama cares about is saying and doing whatever is nececessary to get enough votes to pass healthcare reform–regardless of what details are in the bill.

i feel we should send them back to their country and get rid of welfare and americans should have free medical

YEP! He’s a LIAR

Concerned: Obama gets to defend a make believe plan that doesn’t exist. Where is Obama’s plan? Not his goals or projected outcomes.
A plan isn’t: “I will lose 10lbs by October”. That’s not plan. That’s a goal.
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I just want that repeated.

I’m comforted that the great christian republican party, the party of love your neighbor, would let a little sick mexican boy die on the street because he didn’t have his papers.
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It is President Obama who is making this pledge, poggy.

Obama is the President, he doesn’t write legislation. He can provide a list of what he wants, with the implicit threat of exercising his veto power as granted by the Constitution.
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Yeah, but he wants to use his “plan” as the center of the debate. He makes claims about what it contains, and says those who dispute the contents are making “bogus” arguments, or are lying. He also says the time for argument is over.
He’s trying to have it both ways. Or you are trying to have it both ways for him.

“Obama is the President, he doesn’t write legislation. He can provide a list of what he wants, with the implicit threat of exercising his veto power as granted by the Constitution.”
Isn’t Obama the one referring to “my plan” in his weekly address?

Okay, poggy and the rest of you bleeding hearts, No little child illegal or not is to be allowed to die in an emergency or supposed emergency. If parents or guardian think the child or anyone else) has an emergency, even if it is only a hangnail, the hospital emergency room CANNOT refuse service! That is already FEDERAL law. As to the fact that Obama says illegals will not be covered, see the above law and listen to the liberal plan to make ALL illegals citizens! Problem solved__ they are now citizens and are therefore authorized government subsidized insurance … PAID FOR BY YOU AND ME!

JHW539:Obama is the President, he doesn’t write legislation. He can provide a list of what he wants, with the implicit threat of exercising his veto power as granted by the Constitution.
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Yeah, but he wants to use his “plan” as the center of the debate. He makes claims about what it contains, and says those who dispute the contents are making “bogus” arguments, or are lying. He also says the time for argument is over.
He’s trying to have it both ways. Or you are trying to have it both ways for him.”
MayBee | Sep 12, 2009 12:41:05 PM
His plan is 2.5 pages long. READ IT. People ARE lying about what is in it. There is a reality, not everything is a matter of opinion you know. Will the current bills add to the deficit? Yes. Do they subsidize illegals? No. These are FACTS, REALITY not open to opinion.
And EVERYONE wants to make their demands the center of debate (No care for illegals! A public option! No public option! Stall for Status Quo!). Obama is the President with Constitutional veto power. Congress would be wasting their time if they ignored what the President said.
Obama stepped back since kicking this thing off in March, there has been a tremendous amount of work done, and it is now entirely appropriate that Obama states what he wants to see in a bill before he exercises his Constitutional power to sign it into law.

“As to the fact that Obama says illegals will not be covered, see the above law and listen to the liberal plan to make ALL illegals citizens!”
Greyghost | Sep 12, 2009 12:46:57 PM
How would Obama EVER have the votes in Congress to make all illegals citizens? Come on, he can’t even get a publicly run health insurance plan targeted to cover 10% of people by 2019 accepted by Democrats.
Seriously, what scary paranoid fantasy is the right wing living in?

“So you’re saying all Obama cares about is signing a law developed after extended and vigorous debate by Congress (the branch with Constitutional power to write law) and approved by a majority of American’s representatives?”
Nice spin.
It’s more like this: To get a bill passed, he’ll lie and misrepresent. Does he lie? Sure: He repeatedly says, for example, that the Republicans don’t have a a plan or an idea. “Not one.” Well, they do. He consistently refuses to acknowledge this and keeps pushing his false line that they don’t. Does he misrepresent? Sure: He says his plan is deficit-neutral. Anyone believe that? The CBO doesn’t back him.
So, yes: He’ll say anything. And you approve.

In the congressional deceit mode followed by Pelosi/Reid in the stimulus bill they use pork to narrowly defeat amendments requiring verification of immigration/citizenship status in one house then drop the amendment in reconciliation.

What is all this rhetoric about? Do you think illegals are not receiving healthcare? Look at the number of US births to illegal immigrants (Hispanic in particular). Do you think when a healthcare institution marks them “self pay” that they are actually going to pay? If you do then you are truly living outside of reality. Neither the immigrant nor the federal government pays. The non-profit hospitals absorb the cost and pass it along to you and/or your insurance company. So, the question I ask you is this – Do you want them to pay “something” by buying into a plan or pay “nothing” because it is illegal to refuse healthcare to anyone presenting at an Emergency Department? It’s a true delimma.

His plan is 2.5 pages long. READ IT. People ARE lying about what is in it.
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I have read it.
It isn’t the center of the debate, no matter how much he wants to make it so.
People discussing what a real bill will or might look like aren’t lying just because he hasn’t included something in *his* sheet of goals.

You can’t say “My goal is to save $2T.” Then circle back to that and say “See? My plan is going to save $2T.”
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Exactly.
And you can’t say…”People who are saying my plan won’t save $2T are lying!”
Well…you can, and that’s what he’s trying to do. But you shouldn’t.

“My whole point is that regardless of what President Obama threatens to do (i.e. not sign a bill that adds “one dime to the deficit”) or demands what must be in the bill, it makes no difference. It’s just rhetoric!”
James Danley | Sep 12, 2009 12:59:54 PM
But unlike us arguing here, Obama has to back up his rhetoric or he will be fired in 2012. By putting out the specific things he wants, Obama is going to take ownership – and responsibility – for the results. If you don’t understand the significance of Obama finally taking a solid position, then you don’t understand how our system works (well, at least since Reagan revitalized the ‘bully pulpit’).

“You can’t have it both ways. He doesn’t have a plan. I’ve read it. It’s a set of his goals for healthcare reform. Not how he’s going to achieve them.”
Concerned in OH | Sep 12, 2009 12:57:14 PM
? He’s the President of the United States, and just like Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr he will achieve his goals by asking for and signing (or vetoing) the legislation written by Congress. He is not some talking head on TV or waving a sign.
Read the Constitution. It works.

As for illegals and their anchor babies getting emergency care: fine, treat them but then bill them like the rest of us! Maybe it will stop them from clogging up the ERs with their kids’ ear aches and other non-emergencies.

If Obama has his way all illegals will become legal especially before the 2012 election.
kyle | Sep 12, 2009 1:08:15 PM
How? Under what POSSIBLE legislative scenario could this EVER- EVER- happen? Specifically – layout how this could happen. All the Democrats against illegal immigration are replaced by robot controlled by ACORN? Subliminal messages by the mass media result in a massive reversal of public sentiment? Obama personally hypnotizes 2/3rds of Congress?
How?

Johelia:”I had to pay for my appointment even though I was unemployed but the hispanic people were all on Medicaid and were seen for free”
…And they were all brown and speaking Spanish so every one was an illegal immigrant, right?
Want to know why Republicans are sometimes assumed to be closet racists?

Obama has to back up his rhetoric or he will be fired in 2012.
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I believe most of it will go into effect in 2013.
But so what? If the Health Care reform doesn’t live up to his rhetoric, the least of our worries will be whether he gets re-hired or not. He’s a wealthy man who will be set for life.
The rest of us will have a gigantic deficit, an ever-increasing debt, a large tax burden, and a health care system in disarray.

Why did the Democrats defeat two bills that would have Explicitly kept Illegals from getting health care? There is no verification of status in the health care bill to prevent resident Illegals from getting government health care. And Obama did lie about abortion,In the Hyde amendment some Abortion procedures are covered by Federal funds.

The bill states that illegals will not be insured, but I saw no mechanism to ensure this. Without the requirement of proof of legal residence, they would receive coverage at our expense. Noticing this and commenting on it is not “yelling at the strawman”. It’s simply pointing out a potential problem. It’s easy to say illegals won’t be covered, but it’s meaningless rhetoric without a mechanism to ensure it.

Two great signs at the Tea Party in DC.
The Constitution
Another document Obama hasn’t read
MLK had a dream
We got a nightmare (picture of Obama)

Precedent has all ready been set by Federal Courts in California, That if you have a public option you must allow everyone in. Including the 20 million illegal’s and anyone else who decides to come here. And by the way, the borders are still open.

Why did the Democrats defeat two bills that would have Explicitly kept Illegals from getting health care? There is no verification of status in the health care bill to prevent resident Illegals from getting government health care. And Obama did lie about abortion,In the Hyde amendment some Abortion procedures are covered by Federal funds.
Posted by: Marion | Sep 12, 2009 1:29:14 PM
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So the Hyde amendment was indeed what I figured: The original measure made no exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the pregnant woman, provoking an outcry from women’s rights advocates.
Yeah, that’s awful. To allow a woman access due to health, rape and incest. Good grief it is 2009 and people think this is bad? I do not care what is written it should always include these rights to females.

John S. – Hannity and Beck are saints and Olberman is bad? lol BTW, caught Hannity outright lying the other day. Big time.

Hogwash!
That’s his story today but you can rest assured it will change with the weather. Only the leftist media would believe his baloney.

The title of the article says “White House Says Illegal Immigrants Will Be Explicitly Barred from Using Health Insurance Exchange.”
Gee… would be anything like the language we have in Federal law TODAY that prohibits illegal aliens from even being IN our country, and which they (and we) routinely ignore? If they weren’t even IN this country, then there wouldn’t be a problem.
So, Obama telling me that he’ll make sure there’s language in the bill he signs that prohibits illegal aliens from exploiting this system is a COMPLETE WASTE OF HIS BREATH, and even worse, a COMPLETE WASTE OF MY CLEAN AIR!!
Short of a nation-wide illegal alien round-up and massive deportation, and simultaneous implementation of a National ID card (similar to my military ID card) to prove US citizenship PRIOR to availing yourself of gaining access to ANY privilege (similar to my military ID card) to which US citizens are entitled, he’s LYING!!!!

So Joe Wilson was right.
Sounds like Peloozi and Obama owe Joe an apology.

The wording has changed from illegals to undocumented workers. What a difference a another commercial makes.
And if you think we are not paying for it now, you are dreaming. Democrats will insert another provision that is so clouded that no one will understand it and then it free for all.Good luck.

And it only took one “YOU LIE” to get it done…Now put it in the bill!!

ABC CBS NBC MSNBC CNN are corrupt news organizations.You dont report the truth and the wishes of the american peole. You will lose more listeners with your Left ideas.I use to be a ABc news freek no longer i hate you all With all my passin for hiding the truth from me and millions of Americans.

Putting in the bill???
Then it’s no different than the EXISTING laws we have prohibiting illegal residence in this country.
Just because some law SAYS that it’s illegal doesn’t make it happen, or in the case of us paying for illegal alien health care (creating yet ONE MORE reason to attract them across the border) prohibit it fromm happening.
WE WILL PAY… WE WILL DEARLY PAY!!!!

What do the United States, Mexico and the Philippines have in common??
All three are “Banana Republics” with good people oppressed by the CORRUPTION THAT IS RAMPANT IN THEIR GOVERNMENT!!
Our specific problem is that apparently most of us feel that it’s FAR more important to label ourselves as either a Republican or a Democrat (making us lemmings) than it is to label ourselves as an American (making us the REAL party in power).

So as a taxpaying citizen, I will face financial penalties for not having health insurance while illegal immigrants can still go into any emergency room and get care on my dime with no consequences. Doesn’t solve the current cost problems and only creates new burdens on citizens. Our government should be working for us not against us. Otherwise just leave us alone. “If you trade freedom for security, you end up with neither”

B E wrote: “Glen Beck is annoying and theatrical, but he is actually asking hard and interesting questions…”
Yes, I really enjoyed hearing Beck ask this hard and interesting question:
“We seem to be… a society or a system now in health care that is just trying to shove the patients out that door as fast as they can. Is that any way to run a system?”

What about the guest workers, international students and their dependents and visitors? All should be required to purchase insurance covering preexisting conditions, medical evacuation and repatriation of remains. We should not be required to subsidize thier choice to be in the US. It costs more than they bring to the US economy.
Sponsored green card recipients should not receive subsidies; they should be required to achieve citizenship to qualify. The chain migration whereby a new citizen sponsors parents, siblings and their families with the expectation that SSI and Medicaid will pay for their expenses after immigration must stop.

I had ZERO respect for the Republicans when they were in office, but I swear I’d almost rather have Cheney/Bush back in office than Obama and his crew.
In 2010/2012, we’ll vote out Obama and the Democrats, but what good will that do? We’ll get the Republicans back – the other crew that did nothing.
It’s time for term limits and a strong third party.

“ABC CBS NBC MSNBC CNN are corrupt news organizations.You dont report the truth and the wishes of the american people”
Yes, that’s why their ratings are going down, down, down, and Fox’s ratings are exploding.

When asked about the tea party protests today in DC, Robert Gibbs actually said he didn’t know who the protesters were or why they were protesting. And Obama left town. This is the kind of hubris and arrogance that will ensure Obama a one-term presidency.

What happens to the 8.5 Billion obama slid to ACONE on the sligh, during the Stimulas stampede??? We want it back!!
obamas silent move to the left has been blunted.
GET THE 8.5 BILLION BACK !!!!!!

Campaigned like Reagan
Governs like Carter
Acts like a bitter old man

Obama clearly has not gone far enough towards getting the single payer system we have been denied for so long now. I am afraid this insane system will continue ‘as is’ with a few minor tweaks which will be determined by insurance companies. America desperately needs the full single payer system to cover all citizens. Begin phasing it in NOW as a public option meant to slowly replace private insurance. Sure, the rich can always buy their own private insurance as they intend to do. What’s the big deal?

On previous post I should have typed “your” current insurance and “your” current doctor. Sorry, I got ahead of myself on the keyboard. Anger can do that!!

Healthcare & Illegals? Who cares? Obama has bigger problems. 1.2 Million people just marched on Washington AGAINST Socialism.

Screw the Republicans, because, THEY LIE. The party of LIARs and NO SAYERs are taking care of their special interests and not the constituency that they represent. And as our Hon. President said so well in the joint address, we need to fix the broken health system now or it will occur never, and soon there will be all hell let loose. We need reforms, and now. We should all join hands to strengthen our President’s noble agenda and impress upon those weaker minds the importance of not being distracted from the truth by the unpatriotic Republican agenda. Pres. Obama is THE MAN who will change the face of America; and make us unparalleled superpower in the world. Go Obama go, the country is with you. Discount those living in the virtual fantasy Limbaughworld and Crazybeckworld. Ofcourse when they return back to us, we will take care of them as well.

Thus far Dems have voted down amendments that WILL prohibit illegals from this healthcare. Are they really going to stop illegals or is it like abortions that will be included by loophole?

The fact is that it would cost more to treat illegals in the emergency room than it would to pay for their health care. Also if they repeatedly come to the emergency room for health care they will put themselves at risk for identification. Right now, the concern should be on how this reform will help individuals here legally. I think people who are against this really don’t want to see more people empowered. Perhaps because then our country would truly progressive.

So how is anyone going to prove they are a US citizen? (Other than showing a US passport or a certified birth certificate and other ID along with it – and how many people have that handy?)
National ID card here we come! (All countries in Europe one has to have a government issued ID card.)

I would like to see an unequivocal banning of illegals from any and all facets of a government provided health care plan. Further, I would like to see an American First Program banning all illegal immigrants from the United States of America.
Do the latter and the former becomes moot.

“Illegals don’t buy insurance – never did …”
1enlightened | Sep 12, 2009 6:21:46 PM
This is directly contradicted by the actual statistics and data that has been collected. Millions of illegals work jobs that provide insurance and do indeed have it. But don’t worry about reality and facts, when it is so much easier to make stuff up.

I find it funny that people can’t prove they are U S citizens. Get a grip. You do have government identifying information already–like a birth certificate, passport, or social security card, etc. My daughter just got a Texas I D card (in lieu of a driver’s license) and those are the kinds of i d’s you have to produce. Sheesh. It isn’t rocket science. Those *are* government id’s.

As someone who just spent five years with multiple advanced technical degrees and certifications because my Republican employer moved the company operations offshore, I can vouch for the fact that getting benefits is not as easy as people think. For a former middle class engineer, it was pretty much impossible. If you have any kind of assets, you have to liquidate them and then wait a prescribed amount of time until you are eliglble. Insurance was out of the question because even if I could find a company to cover me, I couldn’t pay the premiums. As for food stamps, if you have a 401k, even if the penalties will ear up 90% of the procedes, you have to get ride of it first. (You would be surprised that you can survive fairly well on supermarket samples on weekends.) During my “Bush vacation” I have been berated by Republican hiring managers who admonished me for desiring more than $10/hr (the going rate for H1Bs visa holders brought in from India and China) even though I hold a legitimate doctorate (that means, one I did not buy for $25 on the internet.) I find it more than mildly amusing that the Republicans who populated the HP Roseville plant have all been canned in favor of cheap foreign labor and are looking for benefits they feel they have more right to than the rest of us

I worked for DHS and all people applying for Medicaid were required to verify citizenship. I met illegals on almost a daily basis. I received fake documents a few times. Most of the time they were honest about being undocumented. The SAVE verification system allows you to find the fake ones easily. Pregnant illegals qualify for Medicaid along with those receiving emergency care. The part that would irritate me the most were those using fake social security numbers to work and not reporting that income. I think it would be best if everyone had to have a social security number, legal or not, to apply for services. The social security office should then be able to distinguish them.

“1.2 Million people just marched on Washington AGAINST Socialism.”
If you’re talking about the TEA Party crowd, you better give Fox News a heads up. They’re still reporting the number as tens of thousands.

He has to figure out a way to block them regardless of what the bleeding hearts want. If a hospital/doctor treats an illegal alien with Federal funds if the Health Care bill becomes law, will be exposed to a Federal arrest for aiding and abetting a criminal act under the federal immigration laws. Also, if he doesn’t block them explicitly, any Health Care bill risks being declared as unconstitutional for the same reason. About time someone up there figured it out.

What I find sad is that many years ago I could count on the news networks to sift thru the chaff and deliver the straight scoop, even if it conflicted with the personal biases of the reporters.
Today, what I get is affirmation of almost everything Obama says, true or not.
I would love for some reputable news outfit(if there are any anymore) to look at the federal court precedents based on the 14th amendment that may override any legislative restrictions and allow illegals to get the federal healthcare option.
I’m reasonably sure they exist, but I’m also fairly sure the news outlets won’t investigate this until after the fact so as not to do anything to jeopardize the “One”s healthcare plans.

How can the government suddenly be able to track illegals when it comes to health care reform if they cannot find them when it comes to them entering and staying in this country taking jobs while not being subject to taxes, committing crimes and draining our public resources. If they can be found when it pertains to the publicly provided healthcare system then our government can surely find them to send back to their own country. This cannot be done because the illegals are here using the legal covers (social security numbers, driver licenses, etc.) issued under natural born Americans citizens. Secondly the democrats in government does not want to find these illegals because then they will have to admit the that the NAFTA and other shady trade arrangements that they passed in prior administrations are ABSOLUTE FAILURES. America was assured that if these deals were passed the illegals would stay SOUTH OF THE BORDER because we sent them GOOD JOBS. BIGGEST JOKE IN HISTORY!!! All we sent them were our livelihoods and our futures for our next generations. I write this as a natural born American, unemployed, working-class citizen who has a major surgery requiring injury who has been denied adequate medical care on three different occasions while in the same ER on the same nights illegals were provided superior medical assitance. According to Medicaid I am denied healthcare because I am responsible enough not to bring a child in this world I cannot provide for and am honest enough not scam disablity when I know I can work. What am I and 90% of my fellow LEGAL TAX PAYING Americans paying FICA and SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES for? My family’s heritage is made up of most entirely of immigrants who came here legally and native Americans who met them when they got here. I am not against immigrants who come here to live the AMERICAN DREAM and enjoy all the responsiblities as well as the privileges that come with that dream. I am against illegals who come here to drain the spirit of the working dreamers by hoarding the privileges and skirting the responsiblities of being in this great country. Our elected officials treat “We The People” as if we are mindless things, but they better remember that “We The People” are this country and we Americans are what is and makes this country GREAT!!!!! Our ancestors came here it create a government where they could participant and be heard in our countrie’s government from nations that would not let them. Now we are it seems in a country were that same government refuses to hear the people. If we were smart enough and far visioned enough during the elections to elect these people then why are the people of this nation not smart enough to be truly listened to in matters that we live 24/7 365 days every year.

The White House SAYS a lot of things. And while our guard is down, they DO the exact opposite. Repeatedly.

I can say that Joe Wilson had guts and he said it at the right time. He has now collected over one million dollars for his campaign fund. Pelosi is now going over the bill to make sure illegals are not covered after Joe’s statement. Obama doesn’t care about what the people say he ignore’s it. And if we don’t take the insurance we will pay a fine. That’s the president this country voted for.

This is more smoke screen by the opposition. The legislation (HR3200) is very clear about illegals. The fact that illegals use the consolidated omnibus budget reconciliation act of 1985 to use emergency rooms as the delivery system is already existing law. By the way, this act was sponsored by a Republican and signed into law by what many believe was the greatest Republican President of our time in 1986. The really sad part is that those who stand against using reconciliation (The Republicans) have used it to pass the afore mentioned bill into law. It is time for this country to have a reformed health care system. I am a moderate and would love to see real issues debated. We are caught up in illusions and that is exactly were the power brokers want this issue. MSM please use the first amendment to get the facts out.

Mariann – The President may not be listening to you but then again my bet is that you were not part of the 54% that elected him to bring about health care reform. The people spoke on this issue in November.

Bruce – 60 to 70k people is not a very impressive turn-out. Even Senators in most states require a better turn-out to win an election. As for the polls, the water is so muddy that people can’t see the facts anymore which has been born out by recent polls. Even in light of all the smoke screens respondents still highly favor health care reform. Shall we go to 538.com or pollster for a looks at some?

I believe it’s page 132 or 133 of the bill that states “If one family member is AFFORDED coverage under the bill, the whole family is covered” or words to that effect. So that can be interpreted to mean if an anchor baby is covered, so are the illegal parents? Correct me if I’m wrong. It doesn’t matter anyway, the coverage for illegals issue will forever be tied to whatever “immigration reform” Obama comes up with, because if they are not given amnesty and cannot legally get coverage, they will still inundate the emergency rooms when ill, and move on to the next city and job without paying the bill. And there will never be enough “federal assistance” to cover the actual costs.

Jim said— “Both illegal immigrants and resident aliens should be barred from accessing any publicly funded health care. Only citizens should be covered by the White House’s health care reform bill.”—– Jim, So I would also believe that your position is that any non-citizen, “resident alien” who is in the country working should not be required to pay any local, state or federal taxes either!!! ???? Think about it !!! What a wonderful place to live, work. own a home and raise a family —-a tax free society !!!!! Get real!!!

“I believe it’s page 132 or 133 of the bill that states “If one family member is AFFORDED coverage under the bill, the whole family is covered” or words to that effect. So that can be interpreted to mean if an anchor baby is covered, so are the illegal parents? Correct me if I’m wrong” On page 133, line 10 it says that more than one ELIGIBLE member of the family are treated as one individual. That would not permit anchor babies making the whole family eligible, as the parents would not be eligible – so this wouldn’t apply to them.
From page 132, line 14: “the term ‘‘affordable credit eligible individual’’means, subject to subsection (b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States”

Title VI Federally requires, in addition to emergency room care, that services are provided to illegal immigrants at public health departments. The WIC program is currently changing over to offer more ethnically pleasing meals (whatever that means, I only read the memos). Furthermore, it is Federally mandated that interpreters are provided to them. I live in a mid-sized city, and we have 26 part-time and skimp interpreters. SKIMP means they work 25 hours a week with full benefits. Some Southeastern states are begging/demanding that the Federal government give them some financial relief from the tremendous burden this places on their resources. No, it isn’t just emergency room treatment we pay for.

Like a real good running back, President Obama and his White House uses ”words” to juke and misdirect, and their actions show where they are really headed.
A classic juke of late:
”There is nothing in the Health Care bill to require you to change your health insurance if you are happy with it.”
They know full well that provisions in the bill may cause your employer to drop you into a ”public plan” or ”an exchange”, whatever in the world that is, in any case, you losing the policy that you are happy with. This example is very typical of the disingenuousness, the sophistry used by this administration.

Yeah right!

Now I have no idea what the WH paper is, if it is not going to be legislation or a set of rules for health care bills. Guess they need to ensure ‘all’ the proper language is there, with no loopholes.

This has got to be a comic book.
If you enter this country illegally, you can stay and receive free medical care, but we will not help you get insurance.
If you are a US citizen, you have to get health insurance or pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, I guess you are a criminal and will have to go to jail.
Got it.

Makes one wonder why we are having this discussion at all.
Illegal immigrants are criminals that are supposed to be deported.
Still there are people who want to give them long term support.
Politicians lie like heck in campaigns and do what they want in office.

According to Rueters report, the US has the highest number of citizens over 100 years of age (96000). Japan is second with 40000. Japan has half the population of the US.
I’d say our healthcare system is pretty good, helping us live longer lives.

The “Legal” immigrant landscaper doing my yard told me that he needs to pay a “coyote” $5000 to get his mother here from Mexico. She is sick and her treatment in Mexico is expensive. He said “when she comes here, it will be free.”
He is a nice guy and all, but that comment really brought the point home regarding our “open borders” and Obama’s weak argument that illegals will not benefit from the “new plan.”
There is nothing in any of the plan to make illegals verify citizenship and they will continue to receive health care free anyway. Obama needs to address the issues that CAUSE the problems with health care — We DON’T NEED HIM to change our care.
Wilson was RIGHT. I’ll be donating campaign funds to him.
George Steph. needs to allow these discussions.

All illegal immigrants should be given 6 months to pack up their belongings and leave and after that ICE should deport every one PDQ. Obama and the top brass needs to follow the rule of law.

They don’t even kick out illegals that they put in jail—Houston turned loose thousands of known illegals who committed other crimes. All about votes.

Joe Wilson was right!

How much do Obama’s czars make lets see 33czars X $00.000 = ?

I know this sounds crazy, but I really believe this whole health care over haul is for illegals.. think about it,calif and the border states are going broke paying for them and all their kids.. they really need to go home, be deported, cut off the welfare checks they get for each kid, and they automatically get welfare checks for kids rather they work or not, I know Im a social worker in nursing labor and delivery. they make great money here, nost dont work in the crops, as soon as they have a child they get hud housing, wic, welfare checks free lunches, and continue to work, they are making more money than the average american with their wages and welfare checks. They need to repeal that 14th ammendment, or we will be drained like Mexico.cut their welfare checks off and quit coddling them, and maybe they will go home?? One illegal told me, they dont like america, they want to go back to mexico, they want amnesty so they can retire with a social security check and go back home. they need to put the border patrols back out again, its really out of hand in calif,, very scary! so many of them with so many kids yikes! over crowded schools ect..

YOU ALL HEARD OBAMA, HE TOLD LARAZA THAT THEY WONT BE ILLEGAL HE WILL LEGALIZE THEM,, I THINK THIS HELATH CARE BILL IS GOING TO TIE INTO LEGALIZING PEOPLE WHO DONT BELONG HERE. HOW IN THE WORLD HAS THIS HAPPENED?? WHAT HAPPEN TO BORDER PATROLS? THEN THEY SAY THEY CANT DEPORT 40 MILLION PEOPLE?? WHY NOT? I REFUSE TO PAY FOR THEM!.. BUT THEY WILL GET TREATED ANYWAY,BUT IT SHOULDNT BE FOR A FRIGGING HEADACHE IN THE ER! This administration is always trying to pull the wool over the american people!

All you people are forgetting that they are humans also,you have no idea how hard is to live in countries where you get pay 1.50 an hour.If you were them, you would also look for other resources to help your family, feed them, dress them etc.. I know their is ways to do thing legal but i bet the main problem to do that is the MONEY, they rarely have enough money to buy food how are they going to pay fines to become legal, I’m sure that if they had money they would, in the other hand only the rich people in those contrives are able to do everything legal because they have money, but i can tell you that only 15% of the country.Image God telling you oh you cant be in heaven because you are an American, or you pass through a red light that crime and so your not pure. Come on people that is just ridiculous. We don’t have a clue what is like to live in the dark, where you feel useless on trying to help your family to go on but you cant or its too hard no matter how hard you try. Remember that when we go to heaven at the end it didn’t really matter legal you did thing if you did something bad and you didn’t asked god for forgiveness your still going to hell.