‘World Leader’ to Obama: Explain Why ‘They’re Putting a Hitler Moustache On You’

Poor President Obama is such a victim. It’s nice some other world leader recognizes how much he wants to help the American people, even if we horrible American’s don’t get it.
I would love to know what country the leader was from, so I could know what kind of freedom of speech rights his citizens have.

More BS.

As an American living in Europe for the last 15 years I do find amazing that the idea of universal health care is met with such hostility.
The good folks who complain about the increase cost for universal health care have no problems paying $9,000,000,000 per month for an unnecessary war – longer than our involvement in WWII. Amazing!
Longevity rates and infant mortality are better _outside_ of the US. (For those cretins who think I’m making this us, go to the online CIA World Factbook and compare the US to Western European countries, some Eastern European countries, Australia, Japan, etc.)
I get the feeling not only are some Americans stupid, they’re actually proud of not being informed of the world outside their borders.
Oh, for what it’s worth, I am a US citizen and served 20 years in the US Army. I prefer to live in Europe.

I don’t understand the point of this anecdote. Wouldn’t it have been a more relevant story if he told us his response rather than just some world leader wanted to know why Obama’s people think of him as Hitler? Maybe in the context of his health care speech it would make more sense?

While not the only people pulling a Godwin, the people putting Hitler mustaches on Obama are followers of Lyndon LaRouche…

since we are a country of largely compassionate christians why do we have such a hard time paying a little extra to ensure that we ALL have health insurance? What, once you have to put your money where your mouth is the compassion and helping your neighbor stops?? What comes first our national ideology (freedom, liberty) or our religious convictions (help thy neighbor).

Why are people putting a moustache on Obama? Because he is a FASCIST in love with his self and voice willing to do the most vile things like target children for indoctrination, and try to destroy any that dissent against him. He is Hitler reincarnated.

“yet we compare OUR duly and legally (by a large margin 15% more votes, twice the electoral) chosen leader ‘hitler’?”
Will you liberals realize that it’s the La Roucheites who are the ones putting out the signs with Obama with hitler mustaches? They all look the same… because it’s an organized effort…

That’s funny, I don’t recall Democrat libs being so offended by Hitler moustaches when they were being applied to Bush.
“Making sure everyone is covered” is not the president’s job. The president’s job is to finish prosecuting the war in Afghanistan, and ensure that the security of Americans isn’t compromised by a limp counterterrorism strategy that includes releasing terrorists
Obama’s nose is everywhere it doesn’t belong, and AWOL where it does belong.

Dave Horne:”The good folks who complain about the increase cost for universal health care have no problems paying $9,000,000,000 per month for an unnecessary war – longer than our involvement in WWI”
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Why do you think people have “no problem” paying for the war?
The cost is a given, it isn’t optional at this point.
The fact that we now have to pay for it doesn’t make the expense of health care reform go away. It’s expense on top of expense.

Dave Horne, thank you for serving our country and yes, having been in Europe myself 2 times and speaking with people there, it is evident that they love their healthcare system very much. There is a lot of fear here of the outside world and anything not American is somehow inferior. We’re a great country for a lot of things but healthcare is not one of them. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to do a bit of traveling themselves and not let Fox News dictate what they should know on this topic. Learn from experience, not from sitting in front of a TV, people.

They don’t want to admit who that ‘world leader’ was because it was probably Hugo Chavez – el grande socialist dictator who would be the only other ‘world leader’ to ask this question. Obama and his ‘world leader’ pal need to understand that the US isn’t set up like the dictatorships of South America.
But then how are we going to convince a President who thinks there are 57 states in the union, (or rather 60, when you watch his math states mathematics) that our country is an elected Republic that represents the PEOPLE and that this country is under a free market system. Free market systems go up and down – that’s how the US has prospered. Radical legislation and overregulation of this free market is what’s hurting our current economy, not the market system itself. People are showing Obama with Hitler moustaches because Capitalism was the enemy of the Nazis – look it up.

In agreement with ObeliskToucher — thumbs up! Me being a European living in the US (legally I should mention, to stop haters in their track), it is unreal how non-functional the health care system is here. Try to be self employed with a small to medium business, of middle age, probably with a pre-existing condition and apply for insurance – good luck! American’s are famous for not taking their blindfolds off, they feel comfortable not facing the truth or facts. There will be a rude awakening within the next 10 – 20 years. A sick nation is a weak nation, but heck, nobody seems to care anyway.

Yes, Obama is Hitler, and W. is Stalin, and Reagan was Pol Pot, and Nixon was Ivan the Terrible, and Johnson was Bloody Mary, and Kennedy was directed by the Pope. But everybody liked Ike. Yup. Everybody liked Ike.

Because we have the [health care system] [America] deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we’ll hunt him because he can take it. Because he’s not our hero. He’s a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

Can’t blame everything in the right wing ugliness on LaRouche. Unfortunately it’s a larger element of the right wing now and doesn’t serve the Republican party well. There’s nothing reasonable about the Hitler caricature, the birther stuff, etc. It’s more anger and hatred than logic and reason. Bias is an interesting thing: it makes us leap further out on the logic limb taking positions that make us look foolish or cut off our noses to spite our face. It’s too bad some of these people may not get what they wish for(i.e. unemployment benefits stopped, no stimulus, economic failures on a large scale, no health benefits).

nice try potato head, selective excerpts and disproved falsehoods
typical neo-con, uninformed, so make up lies
While the United States reports every case of infant mortality (according to the WHO definition), it is often claimed that some other developed countries do not due to an 2006 article in U.S. News & World Report which erroneously claimed that: “First, it’s shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless.[5] And some countries don’t reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates.”[6] However, all of the countries named adopted the WHO definitions in the late 1980s or early 1990s,[7] which are used throughout the European union.
we use the SAME standards, have for 20 years…
what part of ‘erroneously claimed’ escapes your comprehension?

Matt- so it is hypocritical to protest against one thing and not another?
I don’t think so.

The issue is not health care, but how a president is treated when your side takes a beating in the poll. If it’s not health care, it’s abortion. If not that, it’s about 2nd Amendment. If not that, it’s school choice. If not that, it’s birth certificate. Now you see, deal world leader, how we Americans destroy each other.

That “World Leader” did not complete the question. The second part of that question is “…by spending a trillion dollars that you don’t have?” The next question should have been “how can you prevent 12 million illegal aliens from taking advantage of emergency rooms even if there’s a single payer national health care system?”

Another tale concocted by storyteller-in-chief.

Our country is not changing , it has CHANGED! I am immigrant, but I consider myself an American first! I support the constitution as it was written by some very smart men who sacrificed all they had. I came here to take advantge of a great system that rewards those that work hard! My family and I left a socialist country because we thought we would have more opportunity, and we did. I get so upset at those that come here and speak ill of this great country. If you don’t like it, your free to leave go back home. Why call this group the Black caucus? Those same people in the Black caucus would go livid if their was a White caucus! This is not American, this is a sliver of seperatism showing contempt at our country. We either think like Americans of we will eventually Balkanize and fall.

Fascinating to me that when it comes to Iran surreptitiously building a second nuclear facility, Obama say, “I’m not interested in victory.” And, yet when it comes to opponents of his health care proposal speaking out against it he instructs his minions to “hit them back twice as hard.”

Minister Obama is the only true World Leader.
Those who have previously ruled their countries and kingdoms did so only as gatekeepers awaiting of the Ascent of Minister Obama.
Those who dare mock Minister Obama will soon learn the truth and be cleansed of their impure views.
One World_One Leader! Our Obama!

I still can’t wrap my head around the rabid objections to a public health insurance offer. If everyone had public health insurance, wouldn’t that free employers from one of their biggest profit-eating expenses? Wouldn’t wages thereby increase, offsetting a tax increase? Wouldn’t goods and services be cheaper due to the lower cost of over-head? Wouldn’t it increase the number of small businesses and therefore competition within the free market? If Republicans are so pro-business, why aren’t they behind this? Do they want America to economically fail or something? Despite my sheer hatred for Bush, I grudgingly supported his attempt at immigration reform. The only thing made clear from this “debate” is that the GOP is so insecure about it’s future that they’re simply reduced to screaming temper-tantrums. Keep screaming, maybe we’ll all forget about things like facts and logic just to shut you up for five minutes. Or maybe we’ll just steamroll you like Bush did to us w/ Iraq. Turnabout is fair play.

MayBee, yes that is hypocrisy! Somehow spending is OK when a Republican president does it but NOT OK when a Democratic President does it? I just can’t believe people would rather spend money on Iraq than people here at home suffering. Unbelievable.

MayBee, yes that is hypocrisy! Somehow spending is OK when a Republican president does it but NOT OK when a Democratic President does it? I just can’t believe people would rather spend money on Iraq than people here at home suffering. Unbelievable.
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If it is hypocrisy, where are the anti-war protesters now?

thank god for karma…
the bush admin knew of that facility, and briefed obama on it…it’s nothing new…and yet, bush did nothing…
in fact Iran complied with the law, declaring its existence 6 months before production (it’s actually closer to 1 year by CIA estimates)
obama is building a concensus…we have more allies and support in the ‘Stan than we EVER had in Iraq…we need the same to confront Iran, war is a last resort, not the first…
you sound like someone who ‘shyed’ away from service

Well duh – he is ACTING like Hitler! Whoever doesn’t realize this is ignorant and needs to open his/her eyes!

I’m self-employed. I work very hard (12+ hours per day), I pay a lot of taxes, and I can’t afford health insurance or dental care. I have toothaches and breathing problems. So for all of you heartless people who don’t think I deserve a public option…SCREW YOU!!!!

Matt- are you pointing me to a March protest during which: ‘In San Francisco, the rally “turned ugly when a large group of protesters started throwing sticks and water bottles at police,” and several protesters were detained. ‘?
Oh! The ugly mob!
Come on. People support or are against different issues. Believing that a war, once started, must be seen to satisfactory completion doesn’t make you a hypocrite for being against other forms of spending, especially given already sunk costs.
If you are against spending on completing the war, are you a hypocrite for being against spending on other things?

aesr: “…in fact Iran complied with the law, declaring its existence 6 months before production (it’s actually closer to 1 year by CIA estimates)…”
Wrong: The UN issued guidance to Iran as a result of prior failures to report changing the requirement from “6 mo before production” to “when the decision to build is made”.
THIS is the rule that has been violated.
It is also very questionable why a perfectly innocent, and legal if IAEA rules were being followed, has to be built underground within the boundaries of a high-grade military facility.
VERY, very suspicious… so much so that I cannot conceive of Iran not deliberately deceiving the world.
Personnally, I would like the UN to establish as a rule: if your nuclear activities are not completely transparent to international regulatory agencies, they should be assumed military targets in violation of the non-proliferation accord. As a signatory to that accord, Iran should then assume the facility may be destroyed by any country willing to enforce UN rules.

Matt- ANSWER has its own set of problems. I doubt anyone in their protests could dare complain about a Hitler mustache drawn on a President.

@ MayBee: The same way we pay for things like invading countries that pose no threat to us based on false allegations of WMD possession. So how does a public health insurance option NOT lower costs to small businesses and therefore lower the cost of goods and services and offset any additional tax burden? We could always increase taxes on the top 10%, who own 90% of our nation’s wealth. Or we could do things like stop building 3 billion dollar submarines while we’re at war w/ people living in caves. Or, we could stop funding private military contracts and re-delegate those responsibilites back to the people who should be performing them- the US military, which has no shareholders to appease.
Aren’t you tired of getting PWNed on this comment board? You should head on back to Fox “news” before you embarass yourself further.

The same way we pay for things like invading countries that pose no threat to us based on false allegations of WMD possession. So how does a public health insurance option NOT lower costs to small businesses and therefore lower the cost of goods and services and offset any additional tax burden? We could always increase taxes on the top 10%, who own 90% of our nation’s wealth.
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So your proposal is that the top 10% of wage earners could pay enough in taxes to support a public option & insure everybody else?
Businesses wouldn’t have to pay part of the tax to contribute to the public option?
Who in government is making this proposal?

Obama probably made that up just to get attention.
He loves sympathy and playing the victim role.
Kind of like playing the race card whenever it’s convenient.

As inappropriate as putting Chaplin staches on a sitting US president is, where was the outrage against the same thing over the last eight years?

I prefer Obama’s Joker face to the Hitler face.
He has earned both…
But I think he also has the aspirations of Chavez:
Leader for life, tyranny, socialism, shut down all of the media that disagrees with him.

-Bush started the drone overflights of Pakistan; Obama has expanded them to a considerable degree-
For Lisa:
From The Sunday Times September 27, 2009
US threatens airstrikes in Pakistan

People ignore the inconvenient truth that Obama and this congress are going to double the national debt in the next ten years.
Not one of these contol freaks has offered any plan to mitigate the national debt.
With no plan to mitigate it is dangerous beyond belief to take on a new nanny program that is over-promised, underfunded and reeks of rationing medicare!
The CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER for this nation is debt and deficit spending!

I wish someone would ask Obama why he changes his speech patterns when talking to a black audience.
Is he channeling Rev Wright or just pandering?
Is he trying to increase support from the AA community? From 95% to 98%?
Doesn’t Obama realize we can all hear him? He sounds rediculous.

Terrofied: the $$ your employer pays for health insurance is part of your wages! You earn it by working for it. By all rights, without this benefit your salary should increase by the amount spent on this. What I fear is that by dropping the health care benefit, emloyers will not raise the salary and it will essentially amount to a loss for employees.
Posted by: Elle | Sep 27, 2009 2:36:19 PM
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Well, it wouldn’t be a loss. In this worst-case scenario wages wouldn’t increase either. But goods and services would still be cheaper (due to competition and lower small-business overhead) and people working three part-time jobs wouldn’t have to lose their home in the event of an illness. And people with insurance couldn’t be denied coverage due to a “pre-existing condition”.
It’s difficult for me to fathom the sheer stupidity of people opposed to this option. We pay money to insurers so that in the event of illness, we have treatment. We are essentially gambling, and betting on getting sick at some point. The health insurance (for profit)industry, on the other hand, gambles that we don’t get sick so that they won’t have to pay the money back. The pre-existing condition is a very handy wild card that they have to ensure they don’t have to pay your money back if it looks too expensive. They’re the dealers, and The House always wins. Otherwise there’d be no casinos. However insurers are even worse than casinos, as they maintain the right to decide who gets to play at all.
Call me bleeding hearted, but I think health care should be a right, not be a gamble.

If it were only about providing insurance to everyone it would have been a good question.

@Warmonger ..love your name by the way…Obama didn’t start the wars, but it’s his job now to finish them…and it’s a damn shame how he’s trying to help us here at home and a bunch of nitwits are trying to stop him. Frightened people Listen:THERE IS NO WAY THE US WILL BECOME A SOCIALIST COUNTRY JUST BECAUSE SICK PEOPLE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION AND WILL BE ABLE TO SEE A DOCTOR!! Obama does not benefit personally by helping us. All other western civilized countries ensure proper help care for their citizens!! Why not us?? I’ll tell you why, Some People in this country are heartless!

Dear Angie, Excuse me? I have not received any emails. I live in Illinois and when a state senator, Obama blocked the Born Alive act. Do you not recall that one of his first actions as president was to overturn the US policy of not giving aid to foreign countries for abortions? And did you not hear him tell the woman at the health care presser that sometimes elderly “should take a pain pill.”. I picked three examples I thought were factually well-known to all. That you think these are lies shows you might be a bit out of touch. Many liberals know these are facts but find no problem with these actions.

Posted by: Arthur | Sep 27, 2009 3:04:10 PM
“…so what are you saying? Iran should not cooperate nor have signed and done it all in secret like Israel?
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Maybe Iran should not have signed the non-proliferation agreement if they didn’t mean it. I think Israel got their nukes well before the non-pro agreement… and I THINK they never signed it.
Also maybe Iran should quit threatening to blow Israel off the world map if they want the world to figure they have only innocent motives.
Also, maybe, the UN should realize that peace cannot be achieve in a world in which no one lives up to their promises.
What good is a world forum if you cannot trust what is said their to be true or rules to be enforced?
Answer those questions for us, please.

What I don’t like about Obama’s anecdote is the impression that he is just trying to help, and the people yelling “nazi” are somehow stopping him.
That is simply not the case.
Posted by: MayBee | Sep 27, 2009 3:18:12 PM
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So are you saying that Obama is NOT trying to help the American people, and that the people screaming “nazi” are somehow helping him? Or are you saying that Obama is not trying to help the American people, and the people screaming “nazi” are neither helping nor hurting, despite their widespread media coverage (case in point, this article)? Who then, is Obama trying to help with a public option, if not the American people who duly elected him after he openly campaigned with that platform? China who owns our debt? His cronies in- what? The non-profit sector? I understand he’s the “other” and therefore you’re opposed, but he’s not freakin Caligula. Get a grip.

terrorized: I’m saying the few people who have drawn Hitler mustaches on Obama are not keeping him from passing legislation.
terrorized: “Who then, is Obama trying to help with a public option,”
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Is Obama supporting a public option?

@megan..well said

Arthur, why do liberals like you, when you disagree with someone,always have to throw in slander to your comments? I respect that you disagree with me, but it doesn’t lead me to presume any flaw in your character, as you so blithely ascribe to me.

Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia,
Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, European Union.
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These are the G-20 nations. Who was it that asked? Was it one of the countries with strong freedom of speech rights?
If not, did President Obama defend the right of his critics to act ridiculous?
In China, you would be arrested for protesting, let alone drawing something on a picture of the leader.
Sarkozy actually sued to try to get a Sarkozy voodoo doll off the shelves. In Germany in 2002, German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder successfully blocked a tabloid from writing a story that he used HAIR DYE.
In Turkey, you can be arrested and given jail time for insulting the memory of Ataturk.
Was it the leader of Indonesia, or Saudi Arabia?
These countries do not embrace the right of citizens to speak freely.
How did Obama respond?

“Call me bleeding hearted, but I think health care should be a right”
It’s a strange sort of right that requires some citizens to work to pay for that “right” for other citizens.

No doubt Obama replied, “It’s what we call freedom of speech in this wonderful country of ours. And it hasn’t just happened to me. People put Hitler moustaches on pictures of President Bush before me, wrote books imagining his assassination, etc. I’m really having it pretty easy compared to him.”

Hop over to Google and type in “Bush as Hitler” and see how many hits and images come up.
You never heard Bush whining about this, but President Pantywaist whines like a little girl.
Personally, I think he’s full of manure and made it up himself.

“Because we’ve become a nation of disrespectful,spoiled,uncaring, ignorant imbeciles.”
Yes we have. It’s become a horrible situation. Without lifting a finger, lefties want the same the benefits and wealth as those who do the work. Democrats pander to this unconscionable selfishness each and every day.

bush whined his way out of Viet Nam
thank you daddy
bush whined his way out of a DUI
thank you daddy
bush whined his way out of a coke habit
thank you daddy

“there have been loons parading around in the street at gatherings with assault rifles…”
So far as I know, there was one black “loon” as you put it carrying an automatic rifle. And he did nothing illegal. You really can’t blame him for doing so since it the wont of SEIU to beat black conservatives.

Bush was dead on target about Iran. In 2007 Democrats accused Bush of lying about Iran, claiming Iran has stopped its efforts to develop a bomb.
You guys forget stuff like that.
Some of us remember.
Obama rose through the ranks in Chicago because Emil Jones said ‘I’m gonna make me a Senator” and gave Obama credit for bills he has nothing to do with.
Four times Obama voted to let abortion survivor babies die.
A great gift for reading oratory from a teleprompter, and the core of a Marxist. He wants to “transform” American into a utopian socialist state.
Yes, that’s one fine man you’ve got there. America wanted change in the worst way, and that’s exactly what we got.

The vast right wing extremists put Hitler mustaches on everybody that they don’t agree with.

First of all, as soon as you have to reduce your argument to “what Bush did” you’ve lost.
Yet we know so much more about Bush than we do Obama. We don’t know how he got into Columbia from Occidental, nor do we know who paid for it. We cannot see his transcripts and Obama has scrubbed the net of his birth certificate.
George Bush has the ultimate green home, walking the walk rather than blathering about the environment like Al Gore does while using more energy than the rest of his home town and spewing CO2 into skies endlessly with his private jets.
Bush did not agree with the NIE and he was derided for that by Democrats, yet he has been proven to be right.
Obama promised Iran would not get thebomb and he’s going to fail at that. Worse, nukes are going to spread faster now that Obama has so weakened the US by blaming all of us for every misdeed on Earth. Iran is going to help Venezuela get a bomb and Brasil is talking the bomb.
Great job, Barry. Just great.

Obama is the “mouse that roared”.
I heard that from a pundit today and thought it captured him perfectly.
Tries to act tough but is all talk.
I think Obama will talk tough to Iran but will sit back and let them get nukes.
Why not? If Israel attacks Iran Obama will be happy that he doesn’t have to–then Israel will be hated even more.
If Iran attacks Israel Obama will do nothing since he will probably be glad to be rid of Israel.
Obama naivly thinks Iran will stop with Israel. Has he forgotten they are supplying the enemy with weapons in Afghanistan?

“Bush’s war for oil”
When all is lost, reach for the wornout canard.
Exactly how much Iraqi oil flows ino the US every day?
It’s about impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone who cites bushawol as an information source.

“Barack Hussein Obama—mmm mmm mmm”
Enough said.

“I am well aware of the expectations that accompany my presidency around the world . . . they are also rooted in hope—the hope that real change is possible, and the hope that America will be a leader in bringing about such change,” went on to say this:
I took office at a time when many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust. Part of this was due to misperceptions and misinformation about my country. Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. This has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for our collective inaction.”
My country BAD
Me GOOD

The man you say is better wants Grandma to take a pin pill instead of get a pacemaker.
He wants neighbors to report on one another if they find someone who disagrees with the One.
He wants the IRA to enforce health care.
He wants to send you to jail if you don’t buy health care.
He calls for civility and then call his opponents liars.
Fine man, that Barack.

Obama bows to Saudi Kings and disses the leaders of England.
He makes demands of Israel and none of Palestinians.
Even Sarkozy called Obama “naive.” Sarkozy understands that dreaming doesn’t get the job done.

Why? Because he wants schoolchildren to be taught to chant his name and extole his virtues. Because he wants to eliminate doctor-patient privledge and privacy and wants a database containing ALL your personal information. Because he is escalating the war(s). Because he support illegal immigration and wants a general amnesty. Because he wants to put you in prison- or at least fine you- if you don’t give money to insurance companies. Because he would like to ban guns and ban free speech over the airwaves. Because he wants to bail out his friends and nationalize other sectors of the economy. Because he keeps all of the Bush-style laws, surveillence, and “big brother” tactics. Because he wants to control everything in your life: your health, your car, your job, your freedom, your speech, etc.

So in other words, there is no way this was a war for oil.
Thanks for playing!

“bsuh allowed relatives of the 9/11 plotters to leave the country, without being questioned…due to his personal business ties with bin laden…”
So now you’re citing Michael Moore? The same Michael Moore who invested in Halliburton and who moved his post production company to Canada to avoid paying taxes??
When did the Bin Laden family disown Osama?
When did Bill Clinton refuse to take Osama from Sudan?
Come on, if you can’t do better than rehash this garbage you oguht not comment.
Once again, you’re reduced to false canards.

“not much….because the idiot forgot to check if Iraq had valid contracts in place…they do, and are valid according to the world court…Russia, China and France own the oil…”
So why didn’t we just take the oil? It wasn’t as though Russia was there helping us….
No, we did the responsible thing- we honored the contracts that were in place before the war.
So it’s perfectly ridiculous to assert that this was a war for oil.

And Obama’s answer was……?

According to James Madison, Obama is anti-American.
James Madison would know something about America.

The man you say is better wants Grandma to take a pin pill instead of get a pacemaker.
He wants neighbors to report on one another if they find someone who disagrees with the One.
He wants the IRA to enforce health care.
He wants to send you to jail if you don’t buy health care.
He calls for civility and then call his opponents liars.
Fine man, that Barack.
Posted by: drjohn | Sep 27, 2009 6:40:57 PM
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All spin , distortions, lies and/or unsubstantiated claims except for the last statement — and the reason he calls those who are liars liars (though he says it in a nicer way) is because they are. How about full quotes in context and/or sources and citations.

Obama to Jane Sturm: Hey, take a pill
Search this on the well known video site.
Go ahead.
In fact, everyone should search it and see who is telling the truth and who is not.

I AM ON SOCIAL SECURITY. I AM SCARED TO DEATH THAT OBAMA’S POLICIES WILL RESULT IN THE DEATH OF THE BENEFIT PROGRAMS WE HAVE NOW – EVEN WITHOUT NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE!! THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. THIS MAN IS WRECKING OUR HOMELAND.
CALL BUSH ANY NAME YOU WANT – HE KEPT THE BAD GUYS OUT OF THIS COUNTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS. ANY BETS ON OBAMA DOING THE SAME??

“should I drive my Porsche Turbo, Audi RS4 or BMW M3 to my job as the president of an engineering firm tomorrow?”
Why do you have these things, Arthur?
Why haven’t you given them away and provided health care to all?
Does your company provide full health benefits to all your employees and their families? If not, why not?

HE KEPT THE BAD GUYS OUT OF THIS COUNTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS.
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Did he????

“do you realize that info is already reported to the IRS?”
Read the whole thing, Arthur, and see how your private information could easily pass through the hands of thousands of Federal employees outside the IRS.
As in, not bound by the same restrictions.

but we know where the CAP key is ;)
most people lack logic, regardless of political affiliation or ideology…we are a nation of morons…see above
Posted by: Arthur | Sep 27, 2009 7:56:02 PM
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Too funny.:>)

And I can’t type for squat, Alyson. I am self-taught and it shows.

GLENN BECK GOT THE TITLE RIGHT “ARGUING WITH IDIOTS” IS A WASTE. LIB REASONING, OR RATHER LACK OF IS A PRIMARY REASON THEIR ATTEMPTS AT POLITICAL RADIO TALK SHOWS ARE A FAILURE. ONLY ONE WITH ANY DURATION IS PBS…… AND THAT IS TAXPAYER SUPPORTED WHICH REALLY GALLS ME. NO WONDER THE LIBS WANT TO SHUT DOWN ALL POLITICAL TALK RADIO!!

Ours have risen the same. There are better answers than Democrats have. One huge option is to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.
Axelrod nixed that.

Gotta go.
See ya tomorrow

Explain Why ‘They’re Putting a Hitler Moustache On You’…..Can I answer for it? Obama and Hitler have a common element which never listen to citizen’s voices. THE VOICE FROM ATTENDERS OF 75,000 CITIZENS IN TEA PARTY OF WASHINGTON DC ON SPET.12 HAVE BEEN DISREGARDED WITH IT’S NOT MAIN STREAM’S PEOPLE BY OBAMA AND HIS ADMIN.

Ok, there are two possibilities, and only one of them is true.
A) The leader appeared and spoke during one of BHO hallucinatory moments (“those big flag”).
B) As Joe Wilson said, “Mr. President, you Lie”.

Obama is trying to force people into a program they don’t want to fund or join. That is why people are angry and comparing him to a dictator. I guess Obama is not smart enough to get understand.

Since you’re talking body count, according to the Center of Disease Control (CDC) and the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI) who performs Planned Parenthood research, since 1973 in America alone, 50 million children have been aborted. If you’re talking body count as the balance to your scales of justice, I’d say abortion trumps all the current body counts. I don’t support the war in Iraq and neither has the Catholic Church, but you cannot turn a blind eye to CDC and AGI’s statistics just to defend a political party.

Barack Obama is a phony-he is Dennis Kucinich with a media cheerleading section.He is not an intellectual-he isn’t even a Phi Beta Kappa.When will the media report on Mr. Obama sharing his oral histories with Bill Ayers during his attempt to write “Dreams…”There is another “Profiles in Courage” story here if the media has the stones to investigate it.

Who would have ever thought that the French President would have a an American President but we have it on display right before our very eyes. Sarkozy is a leader, 0bama is a dreamer. (and a socialist and about those birth certificate and passport questions…)

Look at this discussion, ” and Hitler had wmd’s too”, people toss in words like “republic” when in fact they think that Joseph Smith discovered America. In a country that 60% get there “facts” from church – how is it different from Iran, indeed what keeps the U.S. belonging to the western world is it’s “defence” budget , indicators like poverty levels, literacy, education, life expectancy etc put it between Chile and Turkey. And any “debate” is meaningless if the guy who owns the biggest sound system doesn’t believe in evolution. And the few who have the bit of brains to figure out that it is kind of dangerous to have people who believe in end times in charge of the biggest military in the world are on the offensive, apologetic for saying things like “the world is not flat and not 5000 years old” and “Healthcare is basic human right” and “Poor people don’t have the same opportunities”
Ignorance is a plague in U.S. and they are proud of it. And just like the paradigm of violence always takes, same goes for the paradigm of ignorance. “Blissfully ignorant” wasn’t said for nothing , how else would one feel while oppressing, pillaging, polluting in the name of Kermit the frog when you were promised to spend the rest of eternity with him in a better place , since you could remember yourself.
There should be a simple reality test and if you don’t have your facts straight you can’t be in congress or a president for that matter but you should still be entitled to free health care.

Well since everyone in Europe shares this same sentiment, it’s not surprising that a foreign leader would ask such a question. Europeans have been baffled by the American healthcare system for years. The lack of a universal healthcare system is contradictory to what America as a country represents and stands for.

Just watched recordings of several of the Sunday morning shows…
So, Obama and his advisors are stepping back from the plan the settled on last March for Afghanistan…. Hummm….
So he’s being “open minded” on Afghanistan now that he’s heard the resources necessary for success.
How about being “open minded” on the HealthCare “plan” (amorphous as it was) he chose back in the Spring? Now that the resources need (monitarily and politically) have become known, why not take the time to actually MAKE a plan AND a budget for it!!!
I know the President didn’t need to be detailed or consistent when campaigning, but now that he is in charge, it would help avoid being self-contradictory!
Suggestion to the president: quit pretending the costs will be paid by magic… on anything this big, we all ultimately pay. Some will pay through direct taxes, some through lost jobs and/or lower pay, and others through higher prices. We all know this now. We have seen too many examples of this shell game to be fooled any longer.
The only way to reduce costs is to increase competition and allow the beneficiary select the provider and plan, spending the sum of money the beneficiary is given or earns.
Not only should “cherry picking” relative to pre-existing conditions or developing illnesses be outlawed, but geographic cherry picking also…. SELL ALL POLICIES NATIONWIDE or sell NONE!
But the choice for a given family should be the family… spending their benefits money regardless of where it came from. Neither the Goverment nor Employer nor Labor boss should decide for the family….
With the “customer” deciding on the plan and provider… nationwide… true competition will drive down prices and drive up quality.

Check it. Go ahead. I’ll wait.
Posted by: drjohn | Sep 27, 2009 8:01:14 PM
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So you think the article in the Telegraph is the same as the official translation of Sarkozy’s full statement that is available at the website of the French Embassy, and that no opinion or viewpoint was inserted in there? Interesting. I apologize (for my posts that disappeared likely due to feisty content) because you do have sources and they’re not solely right wing blogs; but after having read the transcript I just don’t agree with the take of the Telegraph– which trends toward the conservative/neocon, nor your take of Obama’s comments regarding the 100 year old woman who received a pacemaker and whose daughter asked if there should be consideration for the spirit or some such (it was an intangible) — and you really don’t seem to understand or care or take seriously what my point was regarding exaggeration or distortion; hence, you’ll likely never concede on that and we’ll likely never have a good debate. And that’s fine. I guess in the end we’re both just very glad we don’t have the other’s world view, right? Ultimately, I don’t ever want to live through another admin like our last one. Ever. That’s why I bring the last admin up on occasion, and it’s likely why others do as well. To some of us, it’s highly relevant; it’s why we voted for Obama, and why we push back on the neocon misinformation, exaggeration and point of view.
And just to tie this in to the actual post here, I do think its very bizarre and bent that people are so afraid of universal health care and paint him as a fascist.

So, here’s what people who actually know and work with President Obama say:
Olympia Snowe told the NYT that President Obama is “very realistic in his views on health care … more moderate than liberal on this question.”
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, in an interview on CNN, said, in regards to what it’s like working with President Obama: “He’s very analytical. He’s very deliberate about the way he goes through things. He wants to understand everything. He delves very deeply into these issues. I’m not going to get into comparing the different presidents. I very much enjoy working for this one.”
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.

Think back over Mr. Obama’s last three weeks: addressing a rare joint session of congress; a record-setting five Sunday talk shoes; Letterman; chairing a meeting of the UN Security Council.
And what has it got him? Let us consider this:
“Today is the first time in nearly three weeks that the Approval Index has fallen to negative double digits.”

Americans are dumb! That’s the best way to put it.

It is very clear that many, if not most, of you who accusingly use the words “fascist” and “fascism” have no idea what the words mean. Please go back to school before blabbering about like complete idiots, OK? Read about history, don’t just mouth-off some crap you heard someone else say. What a bunch of ignorant children, really.

There’s no reasoning with people that refuse to think.
If they did, you wouldn’t have to explain how America is different from Germany. How the world now is not the world in 1930. How ludicrous it is that they scream about the sanctity of the Constitution and government control when a President tries to give people health care, but not when a President orders illegal torture and illegal wiretaps and runs roughshod over the Bill of Rights.
While Bush is out, it’s impossible to not see the hypocrisy of the extreme right wing for what it is when you consider this. How on earth can you claim to love this nation when you were okay with tearing down much of what made it great? Why is health care evil and a needless war wonderful? How can you expect anyone to take any of you seriously when you fail to even grasp the basics of these issues?
You were silent during some of the worst blemishes America has suffered. You do not represent the America I believe in and the America I wish to live in. I am very proud to have a President that thinks deeply, and is willing to do the right thing for his people, even those of you who are so deluded.
You, of course, will not listen to a word I have to say. But that’s fine. Every insane analogy you make devalues your positions more and more. There are legitimate concerns in the health care debate, but every idiotic mention of Hitler buries them further- you only do damage to your side of the case. If you are interested in having a conversation that does not involve foolishness, bigotry or lies, many, myself included, would be thrilled to participate. Unfortunately, if recent history is any indication, you have no desire to do so.
So let me respond in a way that will appeal to your foregone conclusions. Enjoy being rounded up into death camps when we liberals have our way and finally destroy America. You are right, it’s our secret plan- we all hate this nation, and live in it and work to change it because of that. People cannot have differences of opinion in regards to what is best for their country. Obama spent his life working to get to the office of President solely to destroy it.
Is this really what you believe? If not, please speak up, respectfully but loudly. Take your party back from the lunatics. America needs dissent, but it doesn’t need ignorance, lies and insanity. If you DO believe the above, really read it again. Think. Please. If you have any respect for America, THINK. Reason. It is your responsibility to this country, and right now, you are letting her down and doing her harm.

I didn’t know Joseph Smith discovered America. Wow, learn something new everyday. :)

‘Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdon prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For when I was hungry, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these brethren, ye have done it unto me. (etc)…Matt 25:34-46.
I am surprised that a pagan has to explain Christian beliefs and literature,the book which we supposedly base our ‘Christian’ nation upon. Religion is too fragmented in this country to enact the widesweeping aid that should be bestowed upon those unfortunate enough to not have what they need; REGARDLESS of why. (which was the puropose before secular government aid. Funnily enough, the very Christian king, Charlemagne directed that laws be mad to ensure that these Christain charities be made to the general public. (800s AD)
‘A soft answer turneth away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger. The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright, but the mouths of fools poureth out foolishness’ Prov15:1-2. Access unbiased information…or at the very least, stop being afraid and use your brains to figure out the truth for yourself! Do not worship and believe false prophets…they come from everywhere. Do not enslave yourself to a mindless doctrine, question your own leaders first…then question us, the people and the working government. Where was the questioning when we invaded a country that had no weapons of mass destruction? The Patriot Act (dispenses with 4th amendment rights)?
‘Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye: and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.’ Matt: 7:5.
Philosophically speaking, all you right winged Christian persons in the world should be able to see that this reform is in keeping with your own doctrine. Did not Christ administer to all, regardless of wealth, position and status (religious, or otherwise)? I would also like to point out that Christianity started out its life by being persecuted…and now who is doing the persecutions against the less fortunate? I am happy to see this group of people have risen so far up the ladder, that they have forgotten their humble beginnings when THEY needed a governmental assist (see Constantine (325AD) – Edict of Toleration and Edict of Milan …essentially a pagan helping out a minority portion of the Roman Empire population – social welfare, anyone?)
On a sidenote, most of the Founders were Deists, which embraces all facets of philosphy and positive thought. Christianity does not have a monopoly on American ideology and is loosing its grip even as we speak. See to yourselves, check out your faith and see if you can sleep at night knowing that you are against God’s word by being uncharitable to your fellow citizens and uncharitable to the government process by outright obstructionistic or opportunistic behavior. Read a book, educate yourself and watch something other than Fox News once in a while…be charitable to the other side. None of us wants to do harm, but we as a nation need to remember that we are all part of this wonderful community and we need to start acting like responsible neighbors, to everyone; not just those who can afford things for themselves.
This pagan thanks you for the wonderful lessons your book teaches…please return the favor when it comes to rational debate.

that’s funny, I don’t remember being waterboarded in basic training?!?!?!

makes one wonder sometimes why everyone is so concerned about ‘terrorists’ killing americans..
yearly:
around 45+K die as a result of lack of health insurance
thousands die from smoking related diseases
30+k die from guns
36K+ die from the flu
‘we’ have the ‘freedom’ to kill ourselves and each other on a massive scale inside america,
make a buck while doing it, but… we get crazed
when 3K+ die from an attack?
too bad for us…..

Who does healthcare protect us from?
Posted by: TheBigPicture
maybe, health care protects us from those who might have communicable diseases that could infect a large portion of the population

..and attempting to re-interpret it to fit our arguments will only take those things away from us. It’s not a living document that changes with the times. …
Posted by: jp
if I understand your reasoning here, there should still be slavery, women shouldn’t vote, 18 year olds should be sent to war without having a say in who sends them there, no civil rights, etc……
as the constitution according to you: ‘It’s not a living document that changes with the times.’

It says to follow the principals given to us by God and God alone
Posted by: jp
does that also include everything in the ‘old testament’ ?

If everyone is going to keep throwing scriptures (Bible) around without having any idea what they mean, here’s an easy one for you.
(NAS)2Thess. 3:10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

The only thing that gets in the way of my learning is my education.

That bill is just wrong! I shouldn’t have to pay more in taxes so someone else has health care! I have a hard enough time paying for my own family! When did this country get so lazy that they can’t go out and work for what they need? If you need more money then get a better education. That’s what I’m going to do. There are grants out there to help, look for them.

Healthcare is a private industry…pretty soon many people will think they have a right to automobile maintenance, free dental work, free lawn care,etc. Yes, I am comparing these things to Aunt Edna’s cancer!!
And quit bitchin’ about the price of medications, if that pharmaceutical company didn’t invent said drug, you would die anyway!
PAY OR GO AWAY!!!

Here’s a novel concept. Why don’t we just make citizens responsible for providing their own food, clothing, shelter, and healthcare expenses. God forbid we actually ask people to be responsible for their actions and decisions. Last time I checked the inalienable rights were, “life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness”, not the gurantee of happiness. Socialism is taking from the people to benefit the whole of society. A novel concept, but doomed to fail as it has in history. It provides no motivation for self improvement and self actualization. Nobody forces poor people to remain poor, or have kids they can’t afford, or make decisions that keep them poor. Stop punishing the responsible people so that the irresponsible and entitled slackers get a free ride. Nobody is turned down for healthcare, not even those who should no be here and should be deported the moment they arrive in a hospital. You want to know why our health care system is in trouble? Frivoulous ER visits by inmates, illegal aliens, drug addicts, alcoholics, and transients. That is why it cost you $100 for a toothbrush in the hospital. You have to pay for the slackers and human garbage that don’t pay for services. Putting everyone on Obamacare will guarantee lack of doctors and medical staff. They won’t do the job they do for the huge cut in pay they will get when they are forced to accept rock bottom medicare reimbursments from everyone. Obama and the Socialist left need to keep their hands and noses out of the business of the citizens. Do your job and uphold your oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. Nowhere is it stated that we have a right to a Government Handout nation. Ben Franklin said it best, “We’ve given you a Republic, now let’s see if you can keep it”. Stop this out of control proliferation of Government interference in the lives of citizens. Liberalism is a disease that needs to be eradicated from the minds of the sheep that blindly follow it like a cult religion. Any Government that makes you dependent on them to survive is one step off to Fascism. I for one am sick of supporting lazy, useless, and worthless people who contribute nothing when they are fully capable of working for a living. We live in a world where the government forgot to do it’s job by promoting a fair playing field, defending my rights under the constitution and Bill of Rights, and dispensing justice. Instead, they deny our rights or put severe limits on them without due process, they reward murderers and criminals on the backs of tax payers money, and they do not punish injustice. That is why this nation is on it’s way to another revolution. Groups of people are singled out for unequal taxation, not just the rich, but cigarette smokers, drinkers, and soon to come is fast food eaters. We sue people due to our own stupidity, such as when we neglect our parenting duties and our kid drowns in the neighbors pool. Guess who gets sued? We allow states to remove basic rights in the form of Gun Control laws that violate our 2nd Amendment? What’s next, a 10 day waiting period to go to church, or get a license to protest? This country is in big trouble with Obama and his braindead zombies who elected him. This new generation of kids sicken me with their entitlement mentality. They believe the US and the world owes them something in life. The only thing this country owes us is the opportunity to exercise our rights and make decisions that predict our outcome. Not to pamper us like children and bail us out when we fail. There is no self relinace and autonomy left in this world. Only a generation of self pittying victims who blame everyone and everything except the reflection they see in the mirror. God help this insane and entitled generation of liberal slugs.

I personally hope America dies soon, so I won’t have to listen anymore. I mean, the world. I hope the world dies soon. In fact, I just want to be alone, floating in space, comforted by the knowledge that all other humans are finally gone.

I blame Republicans for everything, especially when I hear rhetoric that is against Obama! whoever spouts nonsense against Obama ought to be ashamed! We need healthcare and the private insurance companies have denied coverage more and more and basically scrwwed us while Bush was in office! I know alot of “conservative” republicans get alot of joy pouring sand in America’s engine just because the guy in the driver’s seat happens to be black. Gimme a Break! We have a 17 trillion dollar economy every year yet we can’t have health care like Europe! absurd! In this country FYI most working people get tax refunds, except it is not enough. If we taxed the rich more and printed some more money we could give more assistance to the middle class and the working class and give bigger tax cuts.. to everyone except the top 5 percent!!!! You know I used to consider myself a middle of the road independent now I am a logical Democrat because the Republicans are dominated by Fat Hitleresque demagogue blowhards!!!!!!!!! and awful “christian” women.

How conveniently you have forgotten. He “kept the bad guys out”…as long as you don’t count 9/11, the time he let the biggest attack on America in history occur. But I guess you want to let that slide, eh Mr. Forgetter?
Why would I listen to comments from someone as lame as you? I wouldn’t. And nobody else should either.
Say it again, for the microphones, ok? “He kept the bad guys out. Except for that time he let them destroy two towers and make him look like a fool asleep at the wheel.”
Thank you.

The reason they are putting pictures of Obama with a moustache on is that his proposals on health care, education, government control, and his God complex is appearant to even other nations. No one trusts him or his corrupt government. I personally don’t want to be told what health care I can or cannot have. I don’t want my kids being conditioned in the schools to be Obama’s or anyone elses little puppets. If anyone knows anything about history, Hitler also conditioned the youth, controlled every facet of his nation and people. As an american I have never seen such a corrupt government as is being run by such an inexperienced leader such as we have. And the people he appoints are as corrupt as Obama is and even more so. We need to take our freedom back and the way to do that is to vote them all out next election. I prey for this nation as I never have before. God help us.

When you judge the actions of a president, you must consider his perspective. Imagine having to weigh in the views of millions of people regarding every major issue. Imagine having to make a decision about if or how to act knowing that either way, millions of people will disagree.
You guys are whining about the costs of Obama’s campaign, think about perspective. What would people do if our president completely ignored the fact that our health care system does not work, that people out there simply cannot get it.
Imagine it coming down to only being able to afford either getting a cast on your broken arm or your bills.
The transition cost to something better might be high, but wouldn’t it be worth it if it would mean an organized, highly efficient and therefore less expensively operated health care system? One that shared a national database, not to spy on us, but to minimize needless paperwork and ensure quick, personalized care at any hospital at any time. I think its about time we eliminate the stress health care puts on us, no one should have to think twice about whether or not they can get medical attention, ever. It doesn’t matter if its a taxpayer of 60 years or a foreign relative on visit to their family here.
I’d be proud to tell the children I’ll have some day that I gladly paid more taxes to ensure such a thing for our country’s future. I feel particularly good about spending a little more now to save much more in the future.
I’m a constitutionalist, conservative as they come, but I for one would rather have a centralized health system than rely on a system run by people who profit from sickness. A doctor’s sole motivation should be the welfare of his or her patient.
When you paranoid Neo-republicanites complain about president Obama’s spending, consider this. Would you rather pay $1000 a year in taxes, the use of which is detailed in a report, or $900 a year without the foggiest clue of what the government is spending it on, Missiles? an oil contract helping out some politician’s golfing buddy? Covering up illegal torture?
It comes down to this, No campaign before Barrack Obama’s has been as transparent about what happens with taxpayer money. Say what you want about what he spends on, chances are half of the people in this country disagree with you, tough luck, at least you know what he spends it on. Guns will never be outlawed, our Constitutional rights will not be infringed any more than we’ve already let them be infringed. It is insulting Americans to say that we would let our rights be taken away by our government. We have to expect though, that sometimes rights oppose each other, like the right to health care opposes my right to not have to pay for anyone else’s health care. Ideally, spreading the cost out among everyone will cost less than it costs for each person to afford their own health care in todays system. In this case and in many others, the ability to be logical results in a better situation than being idealogical and stubborn.

Temagami wrote: “CALL BUSH ANY NAME YOU WANT – HE KEPT THE BAD GUYS OUT OF THIS COUNTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS. ANY BETS ON OBAMA DOING THE SAME??”
oh, of course except that one thing that happened in September of 2001.

Why didn’t we bomb Saudi Arabia?

Sorry Dennis, you can profess you “conservatism” from the mountaintops, but that doesn’t make it so. I do not want to pay higher taxes and have no interest a centralized system. Is our system perfect, no, but centralization is worse. So you can tell your children how great you are as you stand in line waiting for vaccinations. So please, if you want to pay for someone else, go right ahead, I do not want to, especially at the end of the governmment’s gun. You sir are a liberal and nothing else.

The followers of Lyndon LaRouche are the only ones putting a Hitler mustache on President Obama’s portrait. This fact has been intentionally obscured by the reporting.
And if you are asking why a LaRouche follower does anything, be prepared for an answer that makes no sense at all…

“No campaign before Barrack Obama’s has been as transparent about what happens with taxpayer money.”
from the Denver Post:
New website can’t track paths of federal stimulus grants
The goal was to build a reporting system that allows the public to follow the zigzagging paths of dollars awarded under the $787 billion federal stimulus package.
A financial GPS of sorts.
But despite federal lawmakers’ pledge of transparency, the final stages of most money trails, along with key information about job impacts, will remain invisible to users of the Recovery.org website when it debuts next month.
Only details of a stimulus grant’s passage through its first two stops after it leaves the federal government must be reported, according to guidance memos from the White House Office of Management and Budget.
That means billions of dollars will be untrackable and thousands of recipients will be left unidentified through the database, officials acknowledge.
“That isn’t transparent, and that’s the primary

Denis Loginowski you are a shill it is very obvious. So how much money to they pay you guys to copy and pate script in comments sections?
“I’m a constitutionalist, conservative as they come” This is so funny!
I do not believe the story about some “unknown” world leader either. More lies from an administration sinking deeper and deeper. WAKE UP THIS GUY IS COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED.
Ask yourself this honestly if you owned a major company and this guy obama came for a CEO job with the resume he had before getting elected Pres would you hire him. I sincerely doubt it.

Hey Folks .. A FEW conservatives have portrayed OBAMA as HITLER .. 1000s and 1000s have NOT ..Where was all the outrage when Bush was portrayed as HITLER? Every world leader gets lampooned as HITLER every day by at least a few in the opposition .. Get over and stop being a baby .. For goodness sake, they had full length movies about killing BUSH … but that was OK!? As a conservative, I prefer to parody OBAMA as the JOKER ..since he seems to favor CHAOS …

Denis I agree with you completely. It is great to hear from people like you who can see the bigger picture. When as a nation have we become so comsumed with our own personal wealth that we forget what Jesus has asked us to do in the bible “take care of your sisters and brothers” his greatest commandment.
I hope that others will speak up and silence those that oppose that commandment!
Thank you,
Leah

It’s all very simple really.
If Obama and the Congress have such a MANDATE from the people for socialism, WHY CAN’T THEY PASS ANYTHING?
The American people WANT this claims Obama. Fine, you have the majority – ram it through and I’ll see you in 2010.
So, libs, why don’t you just pass everything? Go ahead, we dare you. As a matter of fact, Please, please, please pass your socialist solution.
Go ahead. Please.

what happened to bringing our troops home. Now he is talking about sendig more over another of his lies. All these young people are dieing and he is giving his family tours, disgusting

If the liberals haven’t guessed it yet, this man they call Obama, is a pathological liar. But, you already know that…

you lie!!!!!!
Posted by: little joe | Sep 28, 2009 9:13:20 AM
Here’s a funny little anecdote from Think Progress: “On Wednesday, Washingtonians will be competing in DC Improv’s “Funniest Celebrity in Washington” contest. Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA), who won the contest in 2006, advised this year’s competitors to “practice,” “consider your audience,” and… “If someone yells out, ‘You lie!’ Just yell back, ‘At least I don’t tea b@g!’” she added.”

If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie again.

Worst President Ever!

Unless that can be verified – I would not believe it.
Why not tell who it is? Just one more lie?

Hey Barry, I don’t believe you! A friend (she voted for you Barry!) took a trip through Europe this summer and was SHOCKED that every single European asked her why we were going to ruin our healthcare system by making it more like theirs.

“You’re trying to make sure everybody has health care”
Wow what would we ever do without politicians? How would we EVER SURVIVE??????????????????

If it happened at all … Nine months in office and the international scene and he is on a first name basis with another “leader” from another third world country that has no part to play in world events? Impressive!

Nazi Germany wasn’t socialist. Take a history class.

Obama’s MO… whine, whine, whine… lie, lie, lie… blame, blame, blame.
Repeat ad nauseam.

The world leader who asked the question certainly doesn’t know his German history. One of the programs essential to National Socialism (the Nazis) was a healthcare program. As part of that healthcare program, “death panels” existed, and they targeted the old, infirm, and mentally ill. This is just one way in which fascism intruded into daily life. Of course, other programs (such as a state-run automobile maker) we now have also match the “noble” goals of the Nazis, whose crimes extended much further than killing six million Jews. Obama would have been better off not relating the question at all, for the kernel of its truth is all too visible to his detractors — myself included.

Why can’t we get all the facts? Why can’t we get all the facts out to the rest of the world? Perhaps we have a state controlled media which is, perhaps, why our leader has a Hitler mustache….

Claire – Have you ever tried to stop and listen to Obama? Me and my healthcare-working friends have followed everything closely… most of your “suggestions” ARE Obama’s healthcare plan! And we have not seen any signficant contradictions at all, he’s been extremely straightforward and methodical. It’s the exageration and lies (on both sides of the issue) that contradict.
“The only way to reduce costs is to increase competition and allow the beneficiary select the provider and plan, spending the sum of money the beneficiary is given or earns.”
This is exactly what Obama proposed in his address. He emphasized it twice. Any system of telling people what company or plan to select is not even remotely being suggested.
“Not only should ‘cherry picking’ relative to pre-existing conditions or developing illnesses be outlawed, but geographic cherry picking also…. SELL ALL POLICIES NATIONWIDE or sell NONE!”
This is exactly how Obama proposed to increase competition. He said we must allow companies to sell outside their current territories due to practical monopolies in some states.
“But the choice for a given family should be the family… spending their benefits money regardless of where it came from. Neither the Goverment nor Employer nor Labor boss should decide for the family….”
This again was Obama’s whole core message. The people spouting “Death Panels” and such lies have been caught and even resigned. (Betsy McCaughey)
“With the ‘customer’ deciding on the plan and provider… nationwide… true competition will drive down prices and drive up quality.”
I am not kidding, this is basically a one-sentence summary of Obama’s ultimate plan.
Guys, very little of the Healthcare Plan being worked on even involves government spending at all… it’s reform to get insurance companies under control… in the grand scheme of things it does not cost much government money to do so.

Speaking to the “congressional black caucus”. That doesn’t sound racist!
This is the most divisive president in my lifetime, dating back to Kennedy. He seems to be intent on setting race relations back 40 years, to the glory days of the 60′s. Why can’t we just MoveOn.

And Jake – WHICH false claims are you referring to, exactly?

How about instead of “Trying to make sure everybody has healthcare” it is phrased like this; “Trying to force some people to pay for other peoples healthcare.”
By the way one of Hitler’s “reforms” was nationalized healthcare. That is the reason for the comparison.
Not that I would make that comparison.

The single true answer to the question of “Why do they do this?” is “Because in the United States of America we still can.”
Democrats can call Bush Hitler and Republicans can call Obama Hitler. Some people may find such namecalling uncouth, but it is our birthright as Americans to freely express ourselves.

In response to the one poster who said fascism and socialism were on the opposite ends of the spectrum…not so! Both demand government control; it’s simply a matter of the extent of that control. Under facism, the state allows private companies are allowed to operate; however, the services must be approved by the state. Schindler, the brave industrialist who attempted to save Jews from extermination, was allowed to operate because his company provided goods and services needed by the government. Under socialism, of course, the state owns and operates all industry.

If Obama was the dictator some say he is….Glenn Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh would be in a jail where no one knew where they were. However, he is not a dictator, nor a communist nor a racist but a person who denies racism is behind much of the discontent and is honest enough to realize what is bothering people. He feels their pain and believe it or not cannot believe that some people are as disgusting as Limbaugh and the other musketeers. I think people are tiring of their tirade and it solves nothing. It divides the public and what is worse is that much of the stuff they profess, is not true or distorted. They have frightened the older generation with the “death panel” nonesense and other false information.If people have questions, there are cites on the computer like FactCheck.Org and others which will give you the correct answers and calm some fears. I am 71 and do not think Obama will put me to sleep and I have been around long enough to be shocked at the rhetoric on the talk shows. Free speech is one thing but mis-information because you want that person to fail is another. Anyone who wants our president to fail, no matter who, is detremental to our society as if he fails, so do we. Where was all this indignation when a republican president ignored the banks, ignored the housing crisis, failed to provide a health care bill, failed to address social security ignored the jobs situation? To just say we made a mistake is not enough. That is when you should have been marching with signs to get the president to do something..not now. I know…I an a registered republican.

Of course world leaders do not understand right-wing Americans’ blind hatred. No sane person understands their complete lunacy. It’s like trying to explain how America could have voted for GW Bush twice. It cannot be explained besides pointing out we have a large amount of very uneducated, ignorant people in our country who get their information from drug-addicted TV/radio pundits who barely graduated high school.

shmu:
“This is a blatant lie. His nature is more like a fascist dictator’s in his inability to see anyone else’s viewpoint but his own. He has been enabled his whole life and like a petulant child his world revolves around him being absolute and extraordinary. It just isn’t so.”
Wow, sounds like another president in our recent history, but you conservatives never had anything bad to say about him, did you?

How about we start with a BILL, first? Amendment after amendment are being added to this mess and there is not even anything available FOR review. No “death panels?” Fine. I’m glad they amended that portion of the “bill” to alleviate any misunderstanding. Same regarding the “illegal immigrant” coverage. And what’s up with NOT allowing the three day posting of the finalized bill? Dear Leader campaigned on that (oops, I forgot…that doesn’t mean anything either).
20% of the economy and these people want to rush it through? No wonder people are up in arms. I know he needs to accomplish something during his first year, how about he concentrates on national security instead of something like this??

BrianS..I believe that any comments directed toward ANY President, Dem or Repub, or those who voted for them, that is based upon derogatory and rude comments is made by someone of questionable nature; as well as, someone who is in possession of an insecure personality who lacks the thought processes to think and present their opinions intelligently….Reference to your previous comments…

10 trillion dollars, and counting….

Are you lot nuts? You can moan all you like about healthcare being a private industry, but by arguing this you are saying that it’s OK for other human beings to suffer in pain if they don’t earn enough money.
Take two families. Each have a daughter who is unfortunate enough to be afflicted with cancer. One family is wealthy and can easily afford the treatments to make their daughter well and mitigate her pain. The other is poor and can afford to provide rudmentiary pain releif and “some” treatment to make her well, however their insurance company ends up stiffing them and their daughter dies.
In what world can ANYBODY maintain that it’s ok that THAT little girl die because her parents are slackers.
Anybody who fails to look at this whole debate in REAL human terms of pain, suffering and empathy, well you deserve all you have coming to you.

-”That bill is just wrong! I shouldn’t have to pay more in taxes so someone else has health care! I have a hard enough time paying for my own family!”
That is the whole point. We’d all be helping each other. Everyone pays a little bit in and everyone reaps the benefits. Yes, you pay into someone else’s healthcare, but then you have AN ENTIRE COUNTRY helping YOU AND YOUR FAMILY out with YOUR healthcare. Sounds like a worthy investment to me.
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-”When did this country get so lazy that they can’t go out and work for what they need?”
So you’re assuming that people just can’t afford healthcare because they’re lazy? Interesting logic. When I look at the elderly needing their medications and hospital care, I never thought “What lazy old bastards!”
When I look at my step-brother and his wife having to work multiple jobs to support their FOUR YEAR OLD SON who is sick with LEUKEMIA, and having to drive him four hours to the nearest hospital that has the ability to treat him every week….well, laziness just isn’t the first word that comes to mind.
I could go on and on. So let me ask YOU, when did this country become so selfish and jaded that you quit being able to give a damn about your fellow countrymen?
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-”If you need more money then get a better education. That’s what I’m going to do. There are grants out there to help, look for them.”
-” There are grants out there to help, look for them.”
-”GRANTS OUT THERE TO HELP”
WELL HOW ABOUT THAT! The Government using taxes to set aside money for the benefit of everyone! WHAT A NOVEL IDEA!

to Josh
and all those who make ‘Hitler/Germany’ comparisons:
when you have nothing to offer in the way of policy or solutions for a problem, you make his kind of inane analogy..
if you have the guts, find a jewish temple, go and ask if you can speak to someone who went through that terrible ordeal in WW2 Germany…
and see what they have to say about your calling Obama, or his policies nazi-ish.
you won’t do this, as you don’t have the courage, but it does indicate the level you will sink to, in order to display your ignorance.

I’m not saying the President was making the conversation up, but it would be more believable to me if he would have mentioned the name of the person he had this conversation with.
What I would like to see is for the President and Ms. Pelosi and Senator Reid to sit down and have a meaningful conversation with conservatives….

Some bloggers amaze me. How anyone cannot acknowledge the crisises our country is in, refuse to realize many on welfare are those who worked all their lives, that health care is totally unaffordable to GOOD people, that to allow big business, lobbyists, special interests and those who suport them continue to control, run our country is suicide for us, totally boggles the mind.
We pay the highest health care costs in the world, yet, rank 37th in care and performance. Insurance companies cancel thousands upon thousands of insurance policies daily, deny claims and refuse to cover many.So many are having to file bankruptcy because of medical costs, even those who have insurance, and we do not want to know the number of those who die because they cannot afford medical attention.
Please stop listening to the radicals, get facts and show some compassion fellow Americans.

There is no such thing as a reasonable conversation with conservatives. They will not ever support Health Care Reform.
And, for those who put reliance in the insurance companies, they along with other big businesses have been raping the American people for years and will not change without government intervention. Greed, power and profits have overtaken our country, sacrificing our country and us.

A note to Matthew: When you have to pay for the ones who do not get health care…you will be singing a different tune. Without fixing our health program, your fees will triple, if you are able to get insurance at all. Watch the PBS Program on health care and listen to the people who have a daughter with asthma/and congenital lung problems and realize that these people cannot get insurance no matter what they charge. And, to get the medicare for children, they make a little over the allowance so they either have to divorce or one of them quit their job. Think about how they feel each time their child has to go into the hospital. Maybe they will lose their house some day soon. Don’t tell me about a welfare state, because if we do not address this problem, maybe your coverage will change as companies are dropping health care coverage fast and furious due to the cost. If anyone is ripping us off, it is the insurance companies. They are controlling your life and they, not the doctor decided what will be paid for and what medical care you need. I would rather have some form of public health care and take the power out of the hands of the insurance companies as they have been one of the few companies during this recession to be making a profit of almost 400%. Think about that sometime. I watched my daughter fight the insurance company at the same time she was fighting her cancer. And in my own case, my insurance company originally o.k.’s 6 wks of therapy and then after 4 told me the 5th would be the last. This happened twice to me, once for a broken wrist and once for a broken ankle. Did you know, that the people who are able to drop the coverage of some poor innocent people, get bonuses? Check this out…it is true.

Hey,
What happened to the recent comment quoting the bible and calling Obama evil etc? Responded to it now cannot find the comment?

“But there are millions upon millions of us who are not willing to give up liberty”
You conflate the debate. Offering a public option does not deny you liberty. You still have the choice of getting healthcare from whomever you want. Democrats that want to offer the Public option actually favor liberty, Insurance companies don’t care about me, they care about profits. If I get sick and my illness is too inconvenient for their bottom line, they are motivated to drop my coverage. The gov’t doesn’t care one way or the other. And all those complaining about the inefficiency of government must think we should go to a privately run military too!

Does anyone even know how offensive it is to those who died as victums or soliders, at the hands of Hitler? To have survived or felt the loss and have it belittled to get a point across just for or against someones agenda…Lets face facts everyone knew there was no way all the things promised could happen without raising the taxes not just on the rich but, on the middle class, when everyone is prepared for it then it will happen…check out the taz rates for everyone in countries that have medical for every citizen, and ask yourself if they couldnt do it with just the rich paying why do you think we could?

Let me get this straight. We have the costliest health care in the world, but we rank only 37th in health care quality. So, what part of this don’t you want changed?

i wonder if… blogging would be this popular if the unemployment rate was lower.

I remember when the liberal argument was that gummint health care would save money. Now it has changed to it is necessary to care for everyone because it won’t be Xtian if we don’t. Hysterical. The liberals posting here should stop whining and take care of themselves. And pay your rent, it is almost the 1st.

Actually, it sounds like something Australia’s PM, Kevin Rudd, would say.
Australians, as a whole, find the US health care debate completely insane. Even our right-of-centre conservative party is committed to our universal health care system, Medicare.

I agree talmag. The Tennessee Valley Project, The Federal Highway System, Medicare, Public Universities and Schools, the FDA, the EPA, and OSHA are some of the biggest failures that come to mind.
Personally, I’d prefer to live in the dark, drive down dirt roads getting lost because I could not read, eat some rotten meat at a restaurant, and enjoy a nice, cool, glass of polluted water, before clocking in at my dangerous job where I can be hurt with no recourse. Government, schmovernment!

These comments are some of the most sensationalist and uninformed I might have ever run across. More people should understand before they speak.

Wow you people are stupid.

Because, uh… the Obamacare system is a load of crap?
It’s not working in Canada. It’s not working in the UK. In Germany people, who can afford if, run to private insurances because the nationalized system is a load of crap. It’s just like that in every single country that has nationalized healthcare.
The system is not working.
Posted by: Joe Steel | Sep 28, 2009 10:35:37 AM
I call BS. For one, having lived in Germany for 7 years and having experienced the difference between publich and private insurance there, I can tell you that the public insurance is quite good. The differences with the private insurance come into play for things like private hospital rooms as opposed to shared with another patient, etc. I have never had an issue with any type of denial of service in Germany, Australia or Italy.
My Canadian colleagues LOVE their health program, and wouldn’t give it up for the world. Are there individual cases that are not perfect? Certainly. However, do people die of preventable diseases because they don’t even try to see a doctor due to the fact that they don’t have health insurance? No, that happens in the US.
Stop letting the health insurance companies regulate your lives. And stop conflating the debate with so much chaff.

It amuses me when I see Americans that think public health is such a terrible system and how this is immediately “socialist”.

@eric The G20 isn’t made up of third world countries. It’s the 20 most powerful economic countries in the world out of close to 200 countries. And yes it is odd that every single one of them, except the U.S., provides universal health care.

Because they’ve been tricked into voting against their own interests by the party that wants nothing more than to chip away at Obama’s approval ratings. Republicans have no plan of their own and can’t even claim the mantle of “fiscal responsibility” when they wasted hundreds of billions of dollars in the middle east that wasn’t even put on the books until Obama came into office.
Unfortunately ranting about communism, socialism and whatever other “ism” they can think of is more entertaining than facts and logic, and that’s why they get the airtime.

He is a usurper!
Information from the clever work of a Hillary Democrat has been able to box in the Dept. of Health in Hawaii. Statutes require strictured responses and if no records exist they must state this info. These two citizens have been able to infer through the process of requesting docs through the Uniform Information Practices Act in HA. that Obama has “amended” records per the responses for this request.HE HAS AMENDED BIRTH RECORDS! VISIT NATURAL BORN CITIZEN blog.

Dear God, all of you people commenting about Obama being the worst president and a horrible dictator are simply making the Republican party look bad. I come from Australia – Fairly socialist healthcare here – we had the same kind of debate you guys are having, only more intelligent. All of you are making bad points, and all of you are free to debate me personally. I would prefer it that way. Obama has no good reason to lie, and his predecessor – Bush – was a much worse president. You say that Bush has kept the bad guys out, and you’re saying Obama’s not – when was the last terrorist attack in Obama’s administration? There hasn’t been one.

Another Obama lie. If you believe this fairy tale, you will believe just about anything.
Sure, sure…that conversation took place…sure.
We have maybe 6 idiots in this country carrying around signs with Obama as Hitler….and the media and our lying President pretend EVERYBODY who is opposed to his policies is equating him with Hitler.
I cannot believe how simple-minded people are in this country, but I guess that is how we got Obama. And Bush. What a country.

Good lord, was there a post to the comments section from the Free Republic or Glenn Beck Online or something?
Hitler expressed regret for having integrated the word socialism into his party’s name. Hitler wrote in 1930, “Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.”
So is Obama a socialist or a communist? Because commies were highly represented in his concentration camps. You’ve got the hammer and sickle under his face on one poster, and a Hitler mustache on the other, nevermind the fact that the two were at odds.

What would Hitler have thought about:
Guantanamo
Fisa phone tapping
Torture
Permanent occupation of Iraq and Afghnistan?
Does this sound like Obama or his right-wing enemies?

The Majority of Canadians are NOT happy with the healthcare system, in fact just last year the architect of the system said it was so broke it needed to be done from the ground up!

Not true, Seth. The majority – 82 percent LOVE our health care system, in spite of the fact it is undergoing massive attacks and cutbacks by those who seek to make massive amounts of money by privatizing it.

We’ve had a public, single payer system for over a half a century!!!!! Don’t know for how long we will have since it’s being sabotaged!

Just a point…public option is nothing. It is NOT public health care and nowhere near universal health care. In my view, it’s a scam. Not even implemented for four years? It’s smoke a mirrors imho.

i mean ted’s comment btw… little late on the refresh

Re: “HE HAS AMENDED BIRTH RECORDS! VISIT NATURAL BORN CITIZEN blog.”
Not true. The original birth certificate in his file was not changed in any way. Obama has posted the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the facts on it, that he was born in Hawaii, were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii
The Wall Street Journal commented: “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.
The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.”

This is ridiculous. You think you are going to have to pay for someone else’s healthcare? You are already paying for the 2 800 billion dollar bailouts to the banks and the stimulus packages. You already pay for other people’s welfare checks. Look at it this way, would you deny your grandmother her right to healthcare if she could not afford it or her medicare would not cover it? Of course not. I am proud to be a Canadian for several reasons, healthcare is only one of them. If you are not in favor of your fellow Americans having the same health coverage that you do, then you are not a compassionate human being and are completely ignorant to what your country is about.

“Why can’t people understand we can’t afford this. Why do people trust a single word a democrat says.”
we can’t afford not to do it
‘read my lips’
‘Iraq = al quaida’
‘Iraq = WMD’
‘Iraq = 6 months 100 mil $’
‘I didn’t try to pork that page boy’
‘I was reaching for something I dropped under the bathroom stall’

That there is a two tier system of healthcare in the UK is not in doubt.
The problems with the NHS system are in part that it’s users don’t know how to use it properly. It is over-used. It may be overly managed too.
I have private medical cover through my employer but I am HAPPY to contribute to the NHS to other people healthcare, committed to doing so in fact. It’s part of a commitment to social justice, I put back some of what I take out.
I wonder if the US were less litigious, it’s people less keen to find someone to blame, less interested in getting something for nothing, would health care be cheaper?
You can make no argument that will make sense to me that says basic health care is nothing short of a right. It’s analogous to saying I’ve trod on a nail but I’m not fixing the foot because it’s the legs problem. A healthy society pulling together achieves. Sitting in your small empire asserting “what’s mine is mine” does not. Your duty is to contribute not simply to take.

This never happened. Pure fiction.
“World leader”? Speaking this way?
Who is it? Borat?
We take the picture, we go behind.
Barack, explain to me this health care debate.
You’re trying to make sure everybody has health care and they’re putting a Hitler mustache on you, that doesn’t make sense to me. Explain that to me.

I don’t understand why democrats are whining about the fact that some people are depicting Obama as Hitler. They themselfs depicted G.W. Bush as Hitler many times and no democrat protested against that. So why the double standards??? In my eyes that’s just being hypocritical