Zbig Brzezinski: Obama Administration Should Tell Israel U.S. Will Attack Israeli Jets if They Try to Attack Iran

Next Obama sells Iran the anti-missile defense system he canceled in Poland and the Czech Republic.

USS Liberty was not a U.S. Navy technical research ship
it was a SPY ship knowing what it is doing and the risks associated

In case anyone were inclined to forget the nightmare that was Carterism, the doddering old segregationist and anti-Semite raises his face from the porridge bowl and delivers some nonsense about racism that embarrasses even the president.
And now, n the very same week, his oafish national security advisor surfaces to counsel an act of war against our democratic ally in the Middle East.
Welcome back, Carter–we’ve really missed you.

It’s almost like he’d love to see a total meltdown in U.S.-Israeli relations. Who would want that, except his anti-semitic former boss?

According to Rasmussen (choice pollster of conservatives) nearly one-out-of-three voters (32%) chose Jimmy Carter as the living ex-president who has done the best job since leaving the White House.
Carter, who served in the White House from 1977 to 1981, ranks first among the four surviving presidents. George W. Bush, who has only been out of office seven months, comes in last with nine percent (9%) support.

USS Liberty was not a U.S. Navy technical research ship
it was a SPY ship knowing what it is doing and the risks associated
Posted by: fren | Sep 20, 2009 11:52:05 AM
So… you are saying the the United States “got what it deserved”? Yeesh…. with “frens” like you, who needs enemies?

“Only in Obama’s America would we be talking about shooting down Israeli jets to protect Iranian nuke sites.”
-to protect Iranian nukes?? How about to protect our troops? If we let Israel attack Iran we will never have a prayer of success in Iraq or Afghanistan. Terrorist recruitment will skyrocket and our troops, not Israeli troops, will be their first target.

“If we let Israel attack Iran we will never have a prayer of success in Iraq or Afghanistan.”
When did it become our prerogative to either “let” them or not?
I have some shocking news for Gobot: the skies over Iraq are not “US airspace.”
And neither I nor anyone else cares very much what kind of “job” a president does after he leaves office. The racist, segregationist Carter was the worst president of the 20th century, and he was rightly kicked out of office after one term in a permanently and deservedly humiliating manner.

A naive dunce of Carterian dimension, Obama has assumed that if he just makes enough concessions and apologies, the nations of the world will want to please him. This is how the WaPo sees it:
“As he takes the stage to address the United Nations for the first time Wednesday, Obama will face world leaders — adversaries and allies alike — whose rebukes of the new American president serve as reminders that the world’s differences with the United States transcend who is in the White House.
European nations have refused to send significant numbers of new troops to aid the U.S.-led war effort in Afghanistan. Few countries have agreed to accept detainees held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Scottish officials ignored Obama’s plea to keep the Lockerbie bomber in prison, and U.S. efforts to head off a coup in Honduras were ineffective. North Korea continues to develop nuclear weapons, Iran may be doing so, and Middle East leaders have rebuffed Obama’s efforts at peacemaking.”

The worst president of the 20th century was George W Bush. His foreign policies of arrogance and loudmouth saber-rattling were a complete failure. He didn’t impress anybody, didn’t scare NK and only scared Iran enough to convince them that they needed a nuclear deterrent. We’re still dealing with his mistakes.

“The worst president of the 20th century was George W Bush”
Change that to ‘history of the United States’.

I personally think that the liberals in Washington right now are on the track to selling this country out to another nation. Sure does speak volumes when our own president goes overseas and begins an “Appology Tour” apologizing for our involvement in WWII, Viet Nam conflict, Korean conflict, etc. I hedge a bet that he was quashed from speaking anything about 9/11 because many of these folks believe former President Bush to be responsible. Talk about “black helicopter”!!! Israel is our ally, and I suspect that if anything begins to happen in that region, and our president and congress refuse to assist, they’ll be pulled out of office so fast it would make their heads spin.

Brzezinski is a total crackpot. He’s a retread of the Carter administration and that, in itself, is enough to scare me. Can’t wait to see if his ditz of a daughter crows along with him on “Morning Joe”.
Seems like this administration and all those with any connection to it are slowing putting their plans into effect.

“But my Israeli colleagues told me they do not plan to do that. And I trust them”
Big mistake, Israel listens to Israel and no one else.

“Carter was the worst president of the 20th century, and he was rightly kicked out of office after one term”
Really? I remember that he lost his office because George Bush and Ronald Reagan negotiated a deal with the Iranians to keep the embassy hostages in captivity until after the election. Then a couple of years later they began selling weapons to the same Iranians to pay for a secret war in Nicaragua.

William Webb-
Do you want to explain the logic of attacking a US ship during the Six Days War when Israel was facing down Egypt, Syria who at the time were satellite puppets of the Soviet regime in the Middle East, along with about four other states?
Then would you explain to me how the Czechs and Poles or allies in the current GWOT deserve to be left hanging in the balance after they challenged Putin at our behest-
yet-
the thugocracy Iran somehow deserves our protection from the IAF?
I guess your hatred of Bush has gone global-and Republicans and the work of Reagan are the real threat-Iran is your neo-ally in that.

“Never trust a neo-con – they’ll do anything for power.”
Truer words have never been spoken.

Also Hyena, doesn’t it seem odd that Reagan would go to the Iranians for his secret arms deal? He had half the world to pick from but chose the very enemies that had screwed us just years before. Maybe because he knew from his previous dealings that they were open to his offers.

Give me a break… There is a much of a chance of the U.S. attacking Israeli as there is of the U.S. Congress cutting $500,000,000,000 from Medicaare. They would both carry about the same political damage to the Democrats. Go ahead, make my day!

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*you’re* also not answering why Iran would deserve our protection-

For all the anti-Semites and Carterite
loons, let’s look at the Liberty Affair:
1. The US Liberty was INTERCEPTING private internal Israeli intelligence code which the US had NO BUSINESS DOING,
especially at a time Israel was
compelled to go to war with the Arabs.
ANY person would question why an ‘ally’
was monitoring top secret code
transmissions of someone else. If the situation was reversed, the USA would quite rightly ask why Israel was monitoring the US during wartime.
2. Israel has apologized repeatedly
for this accident and that apology
has been accepted by all Presidents
and Secretaries of State and Defense.
Only Leftwing (Carter) and Rightwing Fascists (Brzezinski, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, etc.) think otherwise.
3. No less than George H. W. Bush, James Baker, James Schlesinger, George Schultz, Bill Cohen and others who are not known to be in the ‘pockets of the Israelis’ (maybe not anti-Israel, but hardly the most pro-Israel of former Secretaries of State and Defense)
HAVE ALL SAID REPEATEDLY EXPICITLY AND ON RECORD THAT ISRAEL WAS NOT AT FAULT AND THAT THE MATTER SHOULD BE CLOSED
PERMANENTLY.

Hey Skip,
“Israel’s favored status here will be in jeopardy” It won’t happen, just as with medicare and tort-reform, the cards are not in your favor.

“just as with medicare and tort-reform” should have been “just as with healthcare and tort-reform”.
Sorry

“the cards are not in your favor.”
I’m not sure I follow you exactly JJ but just to be clear: I support being a strong ally of Israel; I’d like to see peace in the Middle East. Israel attacking Iran is one of the very worst things that could happen right now. If they do we might as well just pull all or troops. Either that or institute the draft, because if you thought the insurgency was bad before, you haven’t seen anything yet.

I can see why Carters foreign policies were so disastrous – with this idiot advising him. What a ridiculous and dangerous thought …to attack a trusted ally so we can defend religious fanatics and Mullahs of Iran. Has our country gone completelty crazy..Giving these radicals any kind of encouragement is beyond insane.

Why does the author of this story assume that Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty was a mistake? The survivors of the attack unanimously say otherwise.

Why didn’t they finish off the USS Liberty?
Ineptness?
That’s not how I’ve ever heard the IAF to be described.
And, remember dead men tell no tales yet you live…
If they were so cunning to do it on purpose in the middle of a scramble against almost all of the immediate Arabic states -they surely would have been smart enough to leave no loose ends.
So they manipulate the world, have the United States at their command yet at the same time they are-
inept?

I disagree and think Iran is the problem here. If it keeps making threats and building up the nuclear arsenal Iran should be punished not Israel. Seems to me this whole article is for the birds.

I pray that it never gets to the point where the only way Israel can protect its existence is to launch an attack on Iran. But what country on earth would be asked to stand down while a madmen rushed ahead with a nuclear program wile trumpeting the imminent destruction of its neighbor? The patience of Israel in this matter is unprecedented. Brezinski saying that we should shoot down Israeli planes if that day comes squares with his advice to the Shah to stand down when Khomeini’s fanatics launched an uprising in 1979.

It seldom gets publicized, but Al Qaeda and Bin Laden actually had conditions for peace with the west:
1) the establishment of a Palestinian state,
2) all foreign military troops off of Islamic homelands,
3) the end of the House of Saud
Doesn’t get much airplay, but that was pretty much it.

“it’s a strong little ally which has saved our nation’s butt many times in that part of the world”
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Could you please list the times ‘our nation’s butt’ was saved by Israel . .. I’m not sure what you mean.

USS Liberty attack was no “mistake”. Nice try, do not pass go, do not collect 200.

Respectfully, the conduct and policy of the State of Israel, like all nations, is the appropriate subject of comment and criticism. The Holocaust, like all genocides, was despicable, horryfying and must not be forgotten. It’s awful
existence, however, does not give the political entity, Israel, or its elected officials eternal immunity from critical review.

Netanyahu and Iran could care less what we think, we don’t have much influence anymore. We dropped the missile shield to encourage Russia to help us with Iran. Everyone looks to Russia now, we are irrelevant. Bush ruined our international relationships. Obama’s like a cute kid who wants to be friends with everyone who gets a pat on the head and ignored.

“But Brzezinski is wrong to suggest the U.S. militarily attack Israel”
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I don’t think he suggested that. He suggested the U.S. intercept Israeli war planes if they were to attempting to attack Iran.

.I’m sure #3 went over real well with the Saudis…
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Not with the royalty, the rich and the powerful . .. but those oppressed and impoverished in Saudi Arabia might give you a totally different story.
The House of Saud is not a practitioner of democracy.
The central institution of the Saudi Arabian government is the Saudi monarchy. The Basic Law of Government adopted in 1992 declared that Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by the sons and grandsons of the first king, Abd Al Aziz Al Saud. It also claims that the Qur’an is the constitution of the country, which is governed on the basis of the Sharia (Islamic Law). According to The Economist’s Democracy Index, the Saudi government is the seventh most authoritarian regime from among the 167 countries rated.

Posted by: julieterra
Not with the royalty, the rich and the powerful . .. but those oppressed and impoverished in Saudi Arabia might give you a totally different story.
The House of Saud is not a practitioner of democracy.
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In this you are correct, however, the oppressed and impoverished are the Wahabiist who are just another form of tyranny. Like the house of Saud they are draconian in every measure and use the poor to their own end.
No Arab state is a practitioner of democracy…The closest is Lebanon.

“No Arab state is a practitioner of democracy…The closest is Lebanon.”
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Not exactly true . … Palestine just had democratic elections, Iran the same, Iraq has now had democratic elections, Lebanon is a parliamentary democracy, Yemen is also a democratic republic, Algeria as well, Tunisia.
Of course the big oil nations are given a pass by the big oil governments of the west – it seems it’s okay to be an oppressive government so long as you play ball with big american/british oil.

Some of these posts scare the hell out of me.Carter and guide dog Brzezinski should just go away and write memoirs.They are both senile, but are dangerous because some people take them seriously.
Posted by: Freedtoo
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Agree! Carter and Zbig are anti-Semitic old fools and need to STHU.
I HOPE no one takes them seriously. They are an embarrassment to our nation.

WOW, I am so surprised to see some sanity from the mainstream news. How refreshing.
And my hat is off to Mr. Brzezinski, it took real courage for him to speak out like this.
There is hope for this world!
Thank you Mr. Brzezinski.

The attack on the Liberty by Israel was carried out in broad daylight on a sunny day and there was no chance that the Israelis could not have seen the huge US flag that identified it. Naomi Todd says that the Liberty captain “stated that he felt Israel had reason to believe it had been fired upon.” That’s absolutely hot true and but another example of the kind of lying that has characterized Israel and its supporters for the past 60 years.
The fact that Israel was able to murder 34 US sailors and wound 171 others, including the use of napalm, over a 90 minute period and get away with it was the defining act in US-Israel relations. High level US officials, such as Dean Rusk, were steaming at the time since they knew it was no accident. LBJ, battered over Vietnam and thinking of the next election decided that Jewish money on which the Democratic Party depends, as well as Jewish votes, would be put at risk if he called Israel out for its actions and so he betrayed his oath of office and the sailors under his command. But betrayal by US politicians on Israel’s behalf, mostly by members of Congress, has long been par for the course. One day the voters will start to call it for what it is: treason

@hopesprings52:
ASTROTURFING THE STRAWMAN!

I. The attack on the U.S.Liberty was not a mistake. It was deliberate. Too bad for israel that much of the crew lived to tell about it.
2. The U.S. Air Force did take off to rescue the Liberty, but Sec. of Defense McNamara had the planes stand down–he called them back.
3. A Soviet ship offered help to the Liberty, but the Liberty declined.
4. Using the term anti-semite is a trick to make goyans feel guilty. It is okay to be anti-anyone that commits war crimes (in Palestine, for example).

Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty was no mistake. It was a deliberate assault on our intelligence gathering ship while in international waters. It was a clear blue skied day and a large American flag flew over the ship as Israeli planes checked out the ship. Soon unmarked planes returned with missiles and napalm and left 34 US servicemen dead. The Israelis, lying through their teeth as they so often do, claimed that they thought the ship was Egyptian. But any comparison of the Liberty and the Egyptian ship showed absolutely no similarity between the two vessels. Even an idiot would have recognized that and Israelis are not generally thought to be idiots even though they often behave idiotically.
It is likely that Israel did not want the US to know that they were murdering Egyptian POWs, forcing them to dig their own graves and then shooting them.
As for BBear’s assertion that it is an anti-Semitic slur to accuse Israel of a deliberate attack on the Liberty I suggest he/she read James Ennes’s Assault on the Liberty and find out the truth. Ennes and the rest of the survivors were there and B. Bear was not.
As for the US shooting down Israeli planes if they overfly Iraq, go to it. An attack on Iran would have dire consequences for the US and for once US interests should be put ahead of Israeli interests.

Is this guy nuts or just that much of an anti-semite? Go figure coming from Jimmy Carter.
We don’t own Iraqi airspace, and if President Obama dares to intervene with an allied nation making efforts to not be obliterated off the map and he tries to order an attack on Israeli’s; there is going to be a military take over of the occupancy of the United States President. It will force a ‘coupe de grace’ which will be backed by the majority of the United States citizens and will force a revolution to the likes no nation has ever seen. So I suggest Obama treads lightly on this issue, especially since he has no experience WHATSOEVER!!!

“We don’t own Iraqi airspace”
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Nothing like that has ever stopped the United States when it wants to do whatever it wants to do. Remember the attack on Iraq? What was it called again? Oh yes . .. . Shock and Awe. Oh, oh . . . better call it off, we trespassed Iraqi airspace.

Shame on you, ABC News, for spreading lies: Iran does not have any “nuclear weapons sites” any more than Iraq had “WMD’s.” Do a little fact-checking, or is that too much to ask of today’s journalists? Your inaccuracies are helping to manufacture consent for tomorrow’s unnecessary wars; you seem to have no remorse over having dropped the ball on Iraq.

An attack on Iran would be so disastrous for the U.S. that words fail. Iran has not attacked another country for hundreds of years (look it up). Israel, however, is another story. Thank goodness Zbig understands America’s interest here!

Iran attacked a jewish center in argentina killing 85. Iran attacked israel’s embassy in argentina. A plane full of jews was brought down in panama by iran. Also iran was involved in lockerbie scotland bombing. Iran was involved in the kobar towers bombing. Current iranian defense minister was indicted in argentina for the the bombings. Iran has bragged about the killings of the u.s troops in iraq and afghanistan. Iran diplomats were caught with maps of where to wipe out sunnis in baghdad. But then you have leftists come in here and lie and say iran hasn’t attacked anyone in 200 years. Iran orders rocket attacks against israel all the time. Iran, iraq, syria, lebanon are a shiite crescent.

Thank God there is some sanity in our Government. Carter was the wisest US President after Andrew Jackson and JFK. Israel is its own worst enemy. There are living according to the old testament. Our Lord told them their ways are obsolete. Is Israel our friend? With so many betrayals to the USA;USS Liberty; 911;San Francisco spy network; espionage on our defense industry; Supression of free speech; Corrupting our Congress; Media Propaganda;brainwashing of our school children; Gaza Concentration camp war crimes; Sabra, Shatilla; BOYCOTT/SANCTION/DIVEST from ISRAEL; Begin now -it IS working. Start with STARBUCKS;NESTLE; TEVA PHARMACEUTICALS.

The attack on the Liberty was no mistake. The author is dead wreong on this. 27 dead American soldiers. The israeli’s wanted no witnesses. High time to demonstrate to our allies, OUR EXPECTATIONS.

The USS Liberty attack, was a False Flag stunt to bring the US into the Middle East to take over…it was approved by Johnson and Sec.of Defense McNamara…it was a Treasonous CRIME! that has been Covered Up (another Crime). It’s now time for HUMANITY to GROW UP!! (Childhood’s END) The silly religions (that’s right) are here to CONTROL and DIVIDE humanity. True Spirituality has NOTHING to do with the Organized Religions, which are just another effective TOOL in the DUMBING DOWN of Humanity by our OWNERS. Time to WAKE UP and see behind the Veil!! Obama is just another Dancing Puppet dancing to Their Music….We must serve notice that we no longer dance to their Tunes..

ABC knowingly lies. Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, viciously murdering 34 US sailors,wounding another 170. The attack was no mistake. Our Military Commanders sat back and allowed this to happen–afraid of Johnson McNamara, afraid for their careers. Cowards, traitors!
Of course, we must use force, if necessary, and insist that Israel not attack Iran. An attack is unjustified and would be a catastrophe for the world.

If there be any political wise men who prognosticates that Israel will not attack Iran, they are foolish, and ignorant of historical reality. The Jews are a belligerent people; more so than the Muslims. We in the West accept their belligerency because we are hypocritical. Brzezinski is right; they act on their won STOP THEM. If you don’t STOP THEM, it will be the destruction of America. I mean, how far does friendship go? Are you willing to be destroyed for your friend bellicose activity? Having said all this, the Jews will act, and they will act with or without America support, because that what you get when you have a friend like Israel: You get stabbed in the face, not the back…in the face!
The Jews, like Iran, are living out a nightmare, unfamiliar to us here in the west. It’s a meddle thing. A crazy thing. No rhyme or reason. Just a blood feud. If Israel leaves Iran alone, Iran will not act. Iran is Persia. A people of wisdom! The Jews, well… So sent the jets up in the sky to protect America’s future. I know you will not, for USA doesn’t have the gumption to confront the Jews. We confront every civilization on earth, but not the Jews. Why is not. I’m not suggesting any hostilities against Israel; for Israel has a right to live in peace and prosperity. They donor have the right to put out peoples future in jeopardy.

Did this gentleman give his statement from his hospital bed in some Alzheimer’s unit? Mr. Carters administration had the opportunity to stand up to Iran and could not muster the gonads to do so. 30 years later ABC is reporting what anyone thinks (including Mr. Carter) from this era thinks. I think that if the nuclear facilities were in Cuba again that may give us a clearer picture of what that region of the worlds attitude may be.

Any bets ABC and the authour are Kosher?
Reason,the Istaelies and LBJ wanted to destroy/sink USS Liberty was for America to get envolved in invading Egypt. The Israel planes and gun boats were over painted gray to appear as Eygptian.When USS radioed in they were not migs but F16s,LBJ stopped about to push the nuke button. Records show that LBJ ordered the navy carriers not to help.
ABC and the rest of the Kosher news need burning down their presses–they did the same in Hitlergermany–no shame:^/

Just a small correction: the Israeli attack on the Liberty was not – repeat, NOT – an accident !

Carter is the nations hemorrhoid.

An Israeli Pilot was court Matialled because he refused a direct order to fire on the USS Liberty, the Pilot plainly stated that the USS Liberty was flying a US FLAG.
They knew!
As for the Comments about Russia they are building the Reactor for the Iranian using Russian Technicians, is it coincidence that the Russian Parliament just gave the Russian President the Power to attack any country that kills Russian citizens or destroys Russian interests in a terrorist act or act of War?
Until it is paid for completely the Reactor is actually Russian Property!

Israel bombed U.S. Liberty intentionally and repeatedly, they are nothing but the rothchild’s spawn after WWII put in place to start the final World War to usher in the New World Order for the international bankers.

Are these D.A.M. Democrats insane?!!! Attack Israeli fighter jets if they attmept to strike Iran……what are the Dems thinking? If we attack Israel, then there goes our best “National Security Intelligence” for that region. Dems have just lost all ability to construct even basic reality thought processes. Is it that difficult to see that Dems just have a yellow streak down their backs and are now being compared to the sissified conduct of the French?

I think we should. We have be hand maidens to Isreal for too long. As long as we back isreal no matter what there can never be peace in the region. I’m not saying we abandon them but we can no longer agree with everything they do.

It’s beyond me how the US always kneels in front of Israel! Kneeling actually is not proper to describe what is happening for the past 60 years: the US swallow it all, balls included!!!
Liberty? Why no reaction from the US? The amount of control over the US by the Jews is astonishing. When will you guys react?

and they didn’t “mistakenly” attack the liberty you propagandist fool, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

Brezinsk and Carter did a great job with the Iran situation. These two were lame back then and now they are just nutty.
Israel is our eyes and ears in the middle east. We need them and they need us. They are our only true friends. This cannot be said about any other country.

There is a subtle difference between a “symbionic” relatinship and a parasitic one. If Israel insists on building in the West Bank, they can do so. They are a sovereign nation. But, they don’t have a right to have US fund it. Same goes with war with Iran. It they start it, they can finsih it. We aren’t interfering one way or another.
As far as attacking Israeli jets, that’s pretty provocative. And yes, the USS Liberty was not exactly what “friends” do to each other. I think we should treat Israel like they do us: a friend when it’s convenient. Period.

“The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.” MISTAKE? Who are you kidding? Check the Liberty survivor’s web page. You want to stop Israel…stop feeding them money and munitions. Israel is why we’re in this mess.

If President Obama had the courage of a President Eisenhower, there would be no wars in the middle east.
Freeze Israeli assets in America and encourage the same in other countries.
Do not buy their goods or services.
No guns, just some self-inflicted denial. If they pull another sneak attack like that done on the US Liberty, then take them out for their own good.

The attach on the USS Liberty was deliberate! When will our government stand up for the US servicemen murdered in cold blood by Israel?
Oh yeah and “our airspace in Iraq….” Really?

In 1962, twelve Vatican Theologian’s published a book called “The Plot Against the Church” under the pen name, Maurice Pinay. After discovering old latin histories by the thousands had had multiple chapters of history removed for now understanabel reasons in all the contemporary rewrites different languages. They explain how this “5th Column” has infiltrated both the Church and governments, how “they” have gained control over all finance and publishing company’s, school ciriculums, and media, for the purpose of their “One World Satanic Government. Explains the reasons for all the wars today and economic woes and what is to come. Get the book it is something else.

Cap D – nice post. You obviously have watched Top Gun too many times. The attack you seem so willing to partake in from your armchair is likely the one that will drive the final nail on the US coffin, and hopefully, Israel as well.
Newsflash – our pilots likely know that Israel is the reason we’re in the mess we are in today.

We have heard enough from both Carter and Brzezinski. Now that is a real pair. They come out of the woodwork now to put gas on the fire and make no sense. Carter says all Americans who disagree with Obama are simply racists and the other nut wants us to attack an ally, but does not say attack our enemies. Go figure. The WH must be so desperate to find allies, it has to go outside because there are none in Congress.

Hey NONAME!
“When USS radioed in they were not migs but F16s”
F16s didn’t exist back then. Get your facts straight

I see we have all the anti-Israelies out today. Let me ask one question.
Where would you feel safer – Iran or Israel?

I agree with Mr. Brzezinski, if Israel trys to attack Iran, we should shoot their planes down. Iran is NO threat to anyone in the middle east. Israel needs to realize we are there to help protect them, but they (Isreal)need to shut up and keep their military within their borders!!!

We can adapt his wisdom to the man himself and to the Israel-haters on this board:
–I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward Israel is based on the fact that they are Jews.–
Posted by: Community Agitator | Sep 21, 2009 10:23:00 AM
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It’s not who people are, so much as what they do. Most people learn that concept by the time they are a young adult. Wit respect to all peoples who have suffered genocide: the end does not justify the means.
Jews with left leaning ideas are against what’s happening in Israel with right wing ideas and politics.
Jews are helping the Palestinians with justice from settler land grab.
Extreme ideas (like ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians), IS the issue. The United States has to be extremely careful who they are supporting – as a Democracy, we cannot condone such acts.

William John Webb, i would feel much safer in Iran. And im not anti israeli but, i am anti occupation by israelis.
(its like this… Im a patriot, but i sure in the hell dont support Obamas war effort.)

Since when does a rogue nation have intrinsic rights to attack any nation that they deem dangerous to themselves? Just because a nation is building nuclear power doesn’t mean it is making nuclear weapons. The real question raised should be; why does Israel have nuclear weapons? Why doesn’t the international community do something about Israel and their nuclear weapons? The U.S. has a responsibility to control Israeli aggression in the Middle East. Since they are our ally, and we provide up to 7 billion a year in free aide, ( Jewish organizations provide over a billion more ) I would think the U.S. can tell Israel not to act unilaterally in any attacks. Hard to believe that a nation of 7 million can control so much of the world attention. Hard to believe that many Americans are so misinformed about international matters. The U.S. cannot allow a rogue nation to attack other nations based on their perception. Allies of the U.S. coordinate intelligence and act as one. The USS liberty was deliberately attacked by Israel and the USS liberty’s identity was known in advance by Israel. What did the U.S. do about this? Actions speak louder than words, and one only needs to watch what Israel does, not what it says.

Rich, it wasn’t me who asked where you would feel safer. You’re looking below my name instead of above. Yes I’m Anti anyone who attacks our serviceman then tries to say it was a mistake! Look up USS LIBERTY ATTACK and judge for yourself everyone. Israel is NOT our friend! REMEMBER the LIBERTY!!!

“You’re only doing yourselves a disservice by calling us anti-semites, instead of examining the root cause of hatred towards ZIONISM posing as religion, Judaism.”
A lot of Americans have awoken to the anti-semite game. Israel is a lot like that little punk kid who punches every kid in the mouth and then runs and hides behind his big brother, USA. Well, the big brother comes home with all the bruises from the fight, not the little punk. Israel has been having a hard time hiding the genocide they are carrying out on the Palestinians whose land they stole, this is exposing a lot of the other crimes they took part in. Including their attacks on the U.S., of course, to the zionists, these attacks are no big deal and their is a good excuse for all of them.

9/11 was a Zionist job. The Protocols are real. Wake up to the real enemy!
Google:
dancing israelis 9/11
mossad 9/11
Odigo 9/11 Haaretz article
Larry Silverstein “pull it”
Harold Rosenthal interview

So this man , who did NOTHING as National Security Advisor to the Peanut farmer, presumes to tell us how we should react to Israel’s “predicted” attack on Iran? As far as I can tell, Israel actually does what it says it will do..unlike many who have been in charge of our security and wimped out…Zbigniew…go back into retirement.

Isreal should get shot out of the air if they trt to hit Iran just like they should have 42+ years ago when they attacked our clearly marked ship USS Liberty in broad day light with our flag flying in international waters. LBJ let them get by with murder then I wounder how will Oboma will treat the super power Israel? I doubt he will lift a finger he is just like all the rest of our leaders ISRAEL FIRSTERS.
Phillip
USS Liberty Survivor
Three time President Liberty Veterans

With all due respect to the Liberty veterans, there have been 13 investigations of that “friendly fire” incident and all have concluded that Israel deliberately attacked what they believed to be an Egyptian supply ship off the coast of Egypt. The loss of life was terrible and I understand the animosity but friendly fire does happen in “the fog of war.”

Hey,gus amaral
They are ALL our F-16′S.
Paid for by the US Taxpayer.
During 2006 Israel attack on Lebanon,even the aviation fuel had to be rushed to Israel,at an extra cost of $250 million.US TAXPAYER GOT THE BILL!
As far as Israel’s attack on the unarmed American communication ship on 6/8/67 being a “mistake”ask the surviving crew:
http://www.liberty.org.
34 US Servicemen were slaughtered in cold blood by Israeli forces on that day.Highly classified USN frequency signals sent out by Liberty were jammed by attacking Israeli forces.
Yeah a mistake!
According to the Christian Science Monitor,the cost of Israel to the American TAXpayer has been over $1.6 TRILLION since 1973.

And what of the Iranian passenger jet that was shot down, allegedly by mistake? What should have happened to the US?

Kathy,kathy,kathy,
They are both religious states.
You might want to ask the parents of Rachel Corrie how safe Israel is.She was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer(paid for by US taxpayer)at work demolishing a Palestinian’s family’s home in Gaza.
Gaza is the largest open air prison totally controlled by Israel.
Kathy,there was an Israeli investigation into the death of Rachel.
Yes,there’s always an Israeli investigation….Israeli Driver was not found liable in the young American woman’s death.All Israeli investigations end this way. Now a society can choose Apartheid,but the US taxpayer should not pay for it.
Presently Israel is subsidised to the tune of $10 million per day in US aid that we know of…..

J Kline – They’ll be pulled out of office? You must be implying that AIPAC will pull them out of office by withholding “donors” next election cycle. Or do you mean “pulled out” of office, as in assassinated by the Mossad, a la Kennedy? Where is YOUR loyalty? Israel, i bet. See, this is how things are supposed to work in the US – we make decisions based on the what’s best for Americans, not Israel. If you feel, as so many other “chosen ones” do, that the US should act for Israel against the safety and best interests of OUR country, then you should probably not be a US citizen, you should have your citizenship revoked, as Jews in the Knesset want done to Arabs.

It’s beginning to look like the false flag attack is going to be on Israel, to build support for the already “penciled in” October attack on Iran.

The Presedent will not attack Israeli jets, Zbig Brzezinski is entitled to his opinion, however that is all it is, an opinion, Russia will keep it’s pitbull Iran in check for the moment,Israel will have no need to attack Iran for the moment because they will not be building any nuclear weapons for years to come despite their threats, the deplomacy of this This President will succeed.

I wonder how American Jews feel now about voting in overwhelming numbers for Barack Obama.
Sure, I get the fact that our rookie president hasn’t endorsed Brzezinski’s plan. But do you seriously think anyone would have been having this conversation if a Republican were in the White House?
And isn’t it obvious that Obama is no friend of Israel? There’s no guarantee Obama would provide the Israelis with military support even if they attempted to destroy Iran’s nuclear capability.
Really, why do Jews consider it “loyalty” to vote for Democrats? Hasn’t anybody ever told them that loyalty is a two-way street?

hopesprings52, you need to wake up! did any of those 13 so call investigations interview the crew that was being attacked. Why isn’t the media talking to them. Because we are being lied to that we need Israel. Let’s interview the survivors of the LIBERTY and let Americans and the world hear the TRUTH!! REMEMBER the LIBERTY

@ hopesprings52:
FYI, the Israelis flew over the USS Liberty several times (for more than nine hours!) before attacking it. It had a large US flag, clearly visible. Are you ignorant of this fact? Or else a disinformation shill? then you can apologize to the USS Liberty’s survivors! They’ve already suffered enough at the hands of Israel & the US government – at least have the decency to not spread lies about the attack…
Also, I suggest you refrain from calling Brzezinski an “anti-Semite” (which is SUCH a stale, over-used slur, anyway…).
Sam Bolivar

Israel has hundreds of atom-bombs, Iran MAY be working on one. But the idea of bombing any nuclear-facility is total madness: the radioactive debris and dust will spread over areas ,depending on the wind of the day, so large and in non-combatant-areas, that Tjernobyl will look like childs- play.

So let me get this straight…It’s OK to shoot down, kill, our allies, living breathing pilots, in order to prevent an defensive move against an certified madman who is bent on destroying anyone who is not in agreement, possibly with nuclear weapons, with his ideology; however, it’s not OK to use aggressive interrogation techniques that may save the lives of innocent civilians which include children….So what makes Brzezinski/Carter Administration any different from the very people they criticize…..liberalism????

The USS Liberty was not accidentally attacked by the Israelis. It was definitely on purpose. Read the book. Learn your history. Some of us will never forget.

Upon Further Review – You seem upset that American Jews voted in large number for Barack Obama. Maybe it is because many of us put the welfare of our country ahead of what Israel wants. Maybe we don’t have dual loyalty. Maybe it is because our loyalty is first to the U.S. and not to Israel.
And today there are many of us who are upset with Obama because he and his administration are turning their backs on the well documented Goldstone report on Israeli war crimes in Gaza.

ABC has lost all credibility. The USS Liberty was not attacked by mistake. All evidence proves otherwise. This is not some crackpot conspiracy theory. An fairly recent, well balanced front page investigative report in the Chicago Tribune concluded that the Liberty was not attacked accidently.
What is amazing is the fact that ABC didn’t even write something like: “Controversy still surrounds the bombing of the USS Liberty, with Israel insisting the attack was accidental, and many survivors maintaining that it was deliberate.” Or SOMETHING like that. But no, ABC chose to publish a lie. ABC, you’re a joke.

Sam Bolivar – Are you for real??? What cave have you been living in? Iran is a non threatening country? Have you ever HEARD Ahmadinejad SPEAK??? And don’t even start with teh have you ever met an Iranian, I am one!

Say what? What IS this dude talking about? Pull your head out, dude. Shouldn’t ‘everyone’ from the former Carter administration kind of go back to sleep? Don’t give Obama any more crazy ideas, we’ve had enough for one year.

The Only contry who can wreak havoc on Iran is USA
Israel will suffer so dearly and they know it if they attack Iran
Iran has misiles that covers the whole Israel. I guess the Israeli forgot the 39 scuds
Intercepting Iran’s misiles is like playing a Euro lottery with the lives of their citizens.
Israel started this bluff years ago and the attack on Syria a weak states is another card Israel played to show off that they are serious
Iran is not Syria or Iraq or any other state. If Israel attack which I am 100% they won’t there will be starvation in the four corners of the planet.

What nuclear weapons sites exactly? All 16 US intelligence agencies say the Iranians haven’t got any.
Oh, you mean if they attempt to attack Iran’s IAEA-safeguarded, NPT-compliant, nuclear power generation facilities?
Now that makes sense- after all, even Israel certainly doesn’t have any of those, and they don’t want Iran to have any either.

It’s time to put it to rest on the Liberty slur. It was a terrible tragedy, but…there have been at least six government investigations which reached relevant conclusions as to the facts of the attack. Those investigations, and their results, are as follows:
Report Date issued Conclusion
C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
The last investigation was spurred by White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, who, after meeting with Liberty veterans, referred them to Representative Nick Mavroules, chairman of the Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Armed Services Committee. After a one year investigation the matter was closed, the investigators evidently finding nothing to support conspiracy claims or any Israeli intentions to attack a US ship.
The incident has been studied to death and always the same conclusion. It was a terrible friendly fire incident. The loss of American servicemen was terrible. But folks need to look at the facts on this. Brzezinski is giving legitimacy to this slur and that is unforgiveable.

“”"”Also, I’ve read that Iran has not aggressively attacked another nation in some 200 years – is this accurate?”"”"”
Posted by: Sam Bolivar
So I guess “insurgency” doesn’t count? Many times over the US has found Iranian weapons proving their involvement. Is the Iran/Iraq war just a forgotten memory? You could say they were defending I guess. They now own the Iraqi Air Force because they never returned them. Threats aren’t aggressive, but we have to look into what Iran is actually doing behind the UN’s back.

Hi Sam, about Rachel Corrie, which was of course, a tragedy – I wont provide specific links, because as I said, its just another persons opinion. I suggest you google to find the videos of what transpired, as well as interviews of Joseph Smith, aka Joseph Carr, the leader of the Solidarity Movement, and the last person with her. You can clearly see him change his story and avoid clear questions about what happened. You can do a little digging and judge for yourself.

@ InLA:
I see. So you have no links to back up what you’ve said? That’s unfortunate. I generally try to back up my claims, because it makes it easier for people to understand where I’m coming from.
Oh, well…

Saying that Iran is involved in a war or insurgency because weapons of Iranian make are found there is ridiculous.
The United States is the #1 exporter of weapons in the world. So every time someone shoots someone with an M-16 was the US “involved”. Yes, but only in the most peripheral of ways, in the way that maybe all human beings are involved. Directly involved? Not at all.
It is the dumbest of dumb arguments to state we can sell weapons to anyone in the world and not be responsible in the least for how those weapons are used. But, somehow all other countries have to track every weapons sale they ever made and take complete responsibility for how the weapons are used.
Stupidity. Idiocy. Hypocrisy.
Easily seen as a propaganda talking point to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

hopesprings52, First it was 13 investigation, now 6. How long does government investigations take to complete? What you’re claiming was done in ONE week. Sounds like a cover-up to me. I believe the crew of the USS LIBERTY!!! ISRAEL KNEW!!!

The pro-Israelis in the US won’t take too kindly to Israel being attacked. Secession and civil war kind’ve not take well!!!!!

The attack on the USS Liberty was demonstrably NOT a mistake. Is ABC News a news organization? If so, check your facts.

Iran has not been attacking anyone. They are using refining for hydro electricity which many many counties around the world do. Israel on the other hand has about give or take 200 to 300 nuclear bombs in is paws. Seems they are doing exactly what they say others are doing.
In the building they were manufacturing their lovely toys (WMD) it had five floors beneath the surface which they kept well hidden. They also contaminated the entire area around it.
They did everything imaginable to hid this from the world. They have one they have more mark my words. On fellow who told the Times about it ended up in jail out of site for years.
The Dimona reactor: in Which Palestinians are the weakest point and closest to the reactor, as Palestinian controlled lands are only 50 aerial kilometer away. Also a lot of the waste is buried in Gaza as well. Even employees of the plants were used in experiments. Ex-staffer at Dimona nuclear reactor says made to drink uranium. How special.
Oh yes go ahead truth the Israelis. Go for it. Be stupid.

So, Israel is going under Obama’s bus too, huh?

Just be grateful that Commander Cheney and Bush are not at the healm. We would be in yet another misguided war.

Why am I not surprised that Jake Tapper repeats the zionist party lie that Israel “mistakenly” attacked the USS Liberty? Given your obvious pro-Israel bias you should either recuse yourself from reporting on any issue involving Israel or be prevented from doing so by management.

Wow, We turned on Honduras. We’re selling out Poland and Czechoslavakia, and Carter’s former defense secretary wants us to attack Israeli jets. I thought that all of our allies hated us when George Bush was in office. How do you suppose that they are liking us now?

“…suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran’s nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.”
What NUCLEAR WEAPONS SITE?? This article is a masterful piece of perception manipulation. First it takes as a gratuitous fact that Iran has nuclear weapons site(which if they really did nobody would dare attack). The evidence? Well that does not seem to be important. Never mind the real fact, confirmed over and over again by IAEA inspectors on the ground (inspectors that Israel does not allow anywhere near its nuclear facilities), is that Iran can only now purify and only purifies fissile Uranium up to 5%. Enough to use as fuel for their upcoming, interminable it seems, nuclear power plant.
But hey, why deal in fact? Zbigniew Brzezinsky could have NEVER HAVE SAID THAT WE SHOULD ATTACK ISRAELY PLANES ATTACKIN IRANIAN NUCLEAR WEAPONS SITE BECAUSE HE KNOWS FULL WELL THAT SUCH SITES ARE AN ISRAELI FABRICATION!!!that is not even mentioned in ABC’s fallacious reporting on that interview.
Have you no decency left when trying to manipulate public opinion? Thank God now that a bigger and getting bigger part of the public see you and your other acolytes for what you really are: propaganda outlets

Is Jake Tapper for real? Israel “mistakenly” attacked the USS Liberty? Read the book Attack on the USS Liberty or go to the USS Liberty web site. I’m guessing Mr. Tapper is terrified of the Zionist lobby.

Israel may not have been so stupid to attack its best friend in the whole wide-world, but I’m not so sure about the IDF officers guiding and driving the airplanes and torpedo boats.
At best, the combined air and sea attack on USS Liberty was a reckless and grossly negligent act; at worst, it was performed with full knowledge that the ship was likely an American ship.
A question I’d like answered is: Why did the IDF publish fake gun camera images in its History Report about the attack? The gun camera images purported show USS Liberty under attack, but the ship in the images appears nothing like USS Liberty. An innocent party should have no reason to create and present fraudulent evidence.

It speaks volumes when someone with a good grasp of the English language supports Israel’s reckless action despite being shown how such action will be detrimental to the United States.
Where do those people’s loyalties lie?

Actually, Israel was planning on bombing Iran’s nuclear power plants which would have been a huge mistake. Even though they continue to say that these power plants are nuke bomb factories to justify their actions-most people know that they are just nuclear power plants. HOWEVER, IF ISRAEL WERE TO BOMB THESE PLANTS, THE FALLOUT WOULD GO ALL OVER THE NICE LITTLE BOLT HOLE THAT OUR FEARLESS LEADERS HAVE BUILT FOR THEMSELVES IN THE GREEN ZONE IN IRAQ.
If Israel were to bomb Iran’s power plants, then when the economy heads into the toilet and Congress and most of the other branches involved in the chicanery that has torched the economy would be heading into nuclear winter. They would be safe for a very brief period just before they began glowing and losing their teeth and hair.
MK

Hey Bill, Carter was the most honest, not the worst.

Mistake? The Chicago Tribune did a recent article that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Israel knew it was attacking a US ship. The article included reports by electronic eavedroppers who heard IDF pilots reporting it was a US ship. Their COs told them to attack anyway.

An attack on Iran by Israel could ignite a major if not a global war.
The head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard stated unequivocally that
“Iran will strike Israel nuclear sites if attacked” (AFP)
Israel in turn will respond with nuclear weapons, according to Ha’aretz.
This is a nuclear war in the making…
Not to mention the minor complication that there are a good number of Russian technicians working at Iranian nuclear sites…

USS Liberty a mistake–
please make an emendation as required
for journalistic integrity.
NSA wiretaps proved conclusively it was a direct attack over 5 hours!
Some of the Israeli Pilots tried to refuse
the order but were told it was a direct order.
If there is an ounce of integrity–make the correction–or ABC will continue in a well-known cover-up.
How dumb do you think the US is?

There have been 10 U.S. investigations and 3 Israeli investigations, which have all concluded that the Liberty was an unintended case of mistaken identity. Retired Admiral, Shlomo Erell, who was Chief of the Navy in Israel in June 1967, told the Associated Press (June 5, 1977): “No one would ever have dreamt that an American ship would be there. Even the United States didn’t know where its ship was. We were advised by the proper authorities that there was no American ship within 100 miles.”
Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara told Congress on July 26, 1967: “It was the conclusion of the investigatory body, headed by an admiral of the Navy in whom we have great confidence, that the attack was not intentional.”
In 1987, McNamara repeated his belief that the attack was a mistake, telling a caller on the “Larry King Show” that he had seen nothing in the 20 years since to change his mind that there had been no “cover­up.”
In January 2004, the State Department held a conference on the Liberty incident and also released new documents, including CIA memos dated June 13 and June 21, 1967, that say that Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel. The historian for the National Security Agency, David Hatch, said the available evidence “strongly suggested” Israel did not know it was attacking a U.S. ship. Two former U.S. officials, Ernest Castle, the United States Naval Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in June 1967, who received the first report of the attack from Israel, and John Hadden, then CIA Chief of Station in Tel Aviv, also agreed with the assessment that the attack on the Liberty was a mistake.
The new documents do not shed any light on the mystery of what the ship was doing in the area or why Israel was not informed about its presence. The evidence suggests the ship was not spying on Israel.
Israel apologized for the tragedy immediately and offered on June 9 to compensate the victims. Israel ultimately paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on December 17, 1987.
However, if so many still believe that a cover-up was involved, then it should be investigated again. The question is, will the survivors and the conspiracy theorists ever accept that it was a mistake, a terrible mistake.

“…suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran’s nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.”
Brzezinski did not say “Iran’s nuclear weapons sites”. It was Jake Tapper who said that Brzezinski said so…

I’ve checked out the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War and the statement is quite correct – not a single mention of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill’s Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle’s three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war

The 30+ US sailors who were murdered by our Israeli ‘allies’ aboard the USS Liberty are of no concern to Israel. Israel just wants to insure it’s unregistered foreign lobbyists and spies at AIPAC keep the groveling US politicians under control and keep the billions per year flowing (and keep the west bank). Our allies- right!

Our symbiotic relationship with Israel are not necessarily rooted in friendship but in strategic importance. We need them as a strong military ally in the region and they need us like a little brother needs a big brother when being picked on by bullies. To shoot down their planes would be a catastrophe for us and the region. What a foolish, short-sighted notion!

The evidence of the holocaust is so overwhelming that if someone chooses to believe it is a myth,they must be so filled with hate that the blindness has consumed them.

This article sounds like a great idea. I agree w/this article- 100%. Iran has a right to deny the holocaust if they so choose – even though it may not be right. Furthermore, It is Israel who are making horrible threats of war. It has been exposed that they have committed acts of war and of humanity – U.S must do the right thing in order to protect others and that is to take down israel jets if need be..The situation w/the uss Liberty was NOT an accident. U.S should of cut ties w/this state – unfortunately they are a failed state.

“DaveM” is half right, our forefathers did fight to bear arms against a dictorial rogue government. In this case that government is “ISRAEL”. Just look at what they have done recently to the innocent men,women and children in the largest concentration camp in the world “PALESTINE”.
Karen, the only reaction to what you discribe as the “Obama’s worst migrane” will come from what a writer has accurately described as the “Christian Taliban”. The only “gevalding and shiveh” will be from those blessed to be American citizens but who’s hearts and loyalty are in Israel.
“Wake Up America Before It’s To Late.”

Neville chamberlain would be proud of all of you. see you in he bomb shelters

Why is everyone shocked that Brzezinski said this? In Gulf War I Bush41 threatened Shamir that if Israel attempted to attack Iraq after the SCUD attacks on Israel that Israeli jets would be attacked. To make the threat creditable the president had or threatened to have the IFF(Identification Friend or Foe) codes changed.

Brzeinski’s comment wouldn’t make any sense if he thought the Liberty attack had been an accident.

Honor is a good word. The Military’s Heart and Soul is a stirring narrative brings much deserved honor to our military and their families.

People who wonder how the truth behind the USS Liberty was concealed so long should check the discussion behind the Wikipedia page on the “incident”. There they will discover all the dirty business that’s been going on. Or would discover it, except the Java script has been set to archive everything after just one month, so you think it’s a low-importance article. (Talk pages at properly written articles hold all the discussions for months or years and amount to 100s of Kbs of text, but at USS Libery incident you don’t get to see it).
If you really persist, you’ll discover the archives are also accessible and are full of evidence of censorship. An editor called “WorldFacts” wished to include references to the “Moorer Report” in the article. It’s an extremely damning account from people now retired from very high-up positions in the US military. WorldFacts wanted to include what it said as the “Moorer Report” so Google would pick it up (obviously, there are millions of references to “Moorer”, so not using “Moorer Report” in the article means that people don’t realise it’s anything significant to the account).
When WorldFacts got really frustrated at the wiki-lawyering and the accusations of antisemitism, he proposed taking the disruptive editing he faced to “litigation”, the word that Wikipedia uses for their Arbitration Committee. WorldFacts was instantly blocked indefinitely for making a “legal threat”! There really is no limit to what the traitors will do to conceal the murder of these 34 Americans.
Most recently, more of the best material has simply been slashed. eg on March 13, 2003, Assistant Secretary for Defense John Stenbit, claimed that the Israelis had warned the United States to move the USS Liberty or they would sink it within 24 hours. His belief and well-referenced testimony was simply deleted as irrelevant at the end of August, and the article is losing lots of other significant information in order to protect Israel.

Brzezinski and his former boss President Carter are anti semtic bigots. Does any one really care what they have to say anymore?

Loud noises!!!

WHAT WOULD HIS REACTION BE IF A NUT SAID HE WAS GOING TO DROP AN ATOMIC BOMB ON YOU?WOULD YOU WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN OR WOULD YOU TaKE ACTION TO STOP IT ANY NATION THAT IS OPENLY THREATENED BY ATOMIC WAR SHOULD DEFEND ITSELF -ISRAEL- U.S OR LOWER SLABOVA

Israel’s patience is just about run out on the likes of Brzezinski and other bigots like him. Mossad may take the reverse view of warning bigots they may be shot down should they interfere with Israels right to self defence. They would have every right to do so.

Israel has to standup to its extremist fringe polulation and act according to the best interests of the vast majority of Israelis who are moderate secularists. Israel’s woes are as much a result of the wackos waiting to bomb the dome of the rock as hezbollah. It wasn’t palestinians who shot Rabin.

I also take exception with those from the anti defamation league and neoconish sorts who brand anyone with anything less than blind support for any and all Israeli acts as anti-semitic. One can be anti zionist and not be anti semitic one can be anti extremist and not be anti semitic. Why can’t people make critical remarks against an obviously stability destroying plan without having someone whip out their anti semite card? There is no uniform concept of what it means to be jewish or a semite, it stands to reason then that not all acts done by one so called jewish organization are as supportable as those of another with the same ostensible jewish nature but with a completely different agenda.

“The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.”
Get the story right next time ABC, the Liberty was intentionally attacked by unmarked Israeli MIG’s. Israel was trying to pull us into their mess like they have numerous times before. Try doing a little research before misleading the masses with disinformation. It’s about time we stop letting Israel dictate our foreign policy in the region. Nothing will ever improve over there until we do.

Don’t forget co-founder of the Trilateral Commission. Yeah I sure wouldn’t be taking any foreign policy advice from him.

Dose Tapper know more than the principals:
That there is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;
6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;
Excepts from the Moorer Commission

Brez: USA defends Iran and attacts Israel.

Zbig is getting old. The US doesn’t own a spec of airspace in the Gulf. It’s either Iranian or belongs to a US ally or somebody the Bush Administration agreed for the US to defend, from Turkey and Iraq in the north to KSA in the south. That puts the US in a position of no-win any way it’s put.
American ships in the Gulf are in harm’s way. It is doubtful, even with the target recognition problems the Israelis have had with the American flag in the past, that US ships are sailing with their defensive systems on standby, even. Fifth Fleet, based in Bahrain, surely remembers the USS Stark, shot up by a then-American ally. I doubt the US Navy trusts anybody’s benevolence in that neighborhood.

The SS Liberty remains to this day a problem for some who see it as a big mistake and others who see it as a deliberate attack.
Ask then: why would Israel, our ally, attack the ship? The answer given: the Israelis were in the midst of a big atrocity against the Egyptians, with whom at the time they were at war. Ok. Israel bombs its friends to conceal an attack on its enemy?
In any case: if you google you now get the complete NSA tapes of the incident, all now declassified.
Pas: check out Zig’s record in print. He would love to see Israelis attacked no matter what.

To Tony and some other posters in the same vein.
What WOULD we do? What DID we do. Kruschev at various times, and various Soviet leaders on multiple occasions threatened , nuclear saber-rattling is not new news.
Israel enjoys a regional monopoly on nuclear weapons and a significant numerical superiority even over countries such as China and France. Furthermore to suggest that the United States has been anything less than extravagantly doting on Israeli interests is simply not realistic.
The effectiveness of Israel influence over US foreign policy, and media public affairs etc, is in fact demonstrated in bloody and grisly resolution, when you take an incident like the USS Liberty.
Lesser incidents have been the cause of wars to say nothing of the fact that only a scant few Americans even know about the deadly attack on the USS Liberty or the subsequent ham-handed & half-hearted apologia from Israel.
If Israel thinks that following a radicalized and militarist agenda is so intensely awesome, Go ahead and attack Iran but know that they would largely stand alone, and their hardliners would be lining themselves for yet another grisly Holocaust.
So I for one suggest that Israel and Iran think such energetic stupidity is somehow is useful, then by all means, they should do a nuclear two step or two and have fun pulling the bloody corpses from the smoldering carnage of their respective cities in the aftermath.
Stepping back from the “nuclear” option, however, Isn’t it LONG past due the United States made it completely clear to Israel the economic ramifications of such belligerent and counterproductive foreign policy.
It would be a great thing to see Israel both safe and prosperous but like some mean drunk buddy who calls you when he’s gotten into yet another bar-fight or talking trash, the US needs to stop enabling Israel and get their more strident politicians to a militarists anonymous 12 step program or something.

Summary of Opie Obama speech to UN: “Mr. Putin, put back that wall!”

Zbig is exactly right. If we let the law of the jungle rule, we’d have every country that could launch pre-emptive strikes launching them with abandon and we’d be close to end of our species for sure and possibly all life on this planet. There is no legal basis for pre-emption other than jingoistic swaggery, which if permitted, takes us back to the dark ages. Why bother with a UN?
Nukes aren’t secrets anymore. The permanent members of the UN security council have a enacted a nuclear apartheid for themselves. Lot of countries have mastered the technology and if push comes to shove, they can turn out a dozen or so nukes in quick order. Some of them include: Most of the western european countries, Japan, S. Korea, S. Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Argentina, Canada, Mexico, Indonesia, Australia. Not to mention the countries that crashed the nuclear club without official membership invitations, ie, Israel, India, Pakistan, N. Korea and very soon Iran.

What do you suppose Iran will do once it has a nuclear warhead and the technology and practical knowledge? You think they might share it with Libya? How about a nucker in a truck to say… yeah those guys running around in Iraq blowing up buildings and people? You think? Hm… think they might go for us here in the US? You think? What has Obama done about Iran nuclear program? What? Talk to that clown of a president? Hell our own president is becoming a clown himself. Other countries are laughing at us?

I only feel regret about the Israelis in that we don’t have the guts to join them. We could put Iran back to the stone age and make Medvedev cry like a baby. Alas, Israel will have to do it alone. That loser Brzezinski was part of Carter’s admin, so who cares what he says, the old fool. Carter himself hates Jews and Obama is an inept boob. Israel’s greatest problem is in facing this terror state Iran alone.

—The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.—
This is absolutely fallacious. Every single surviving member of the USS Liberty says the attack was intentional.
As Thomas Lipscomb notes:
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The USS Liberty was an American spy ship well out in international waters north of the Sinai peninsula listening in on the military traffic as the Six Day War progressed. It was overflown thirteen times in the previous two days by Israeli Air Force planes and eight times just prior to the Israeli attack by various IAF aircraft, some passing so close their engine vibration rattled the Liberty’s deck plates and some of their pilots even waved to crew members on board.
It was 2PM on a bright sunny afternoon and with its huge antennae and clunky Liberty ship transport vessel lines lumbering at less than 10 knots it certainly was in no danger of being thought a warship. But as a precaution the Liberty also flew three American flags.
It also had the clear and very large numerical markings of an American naval vessel easily identified in any number of reference works in every defense establishment in the world. Admiral Thomas Moorer later called it the most identifiable naval vessels in the US Navy. One of the flags was shot down during the attack and replaced with a huge one 13 feet long, but the attack went on. The Israelis claimed they saw no flags.
Between 2PM and 4PM the Liberty was repeatedly attacked by Israeli IAF aircraft and torpedo boats, had 34 crewmembers killed and 171 wounded and almost sunk. Many of those knowledgeable about the attack, including then Secretary of State Dean Rusk and Admiral Isaac Kidd, saw it as an intentional act by Israel.
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A Jimmy Carter adviser is saying that the United States threaten to shoot down one of its closest allies jets? Further evidence of how entirely incompetence pervaded the Carter administration.

Screw Israel. They have always and will always be the cause of problems. They are not a partner for peace nor a friend to the USA. They are a drain on this country. CUT THEM OFF!

Well Zbiggy is back in the headlines again, almost like on the day he was Carter’s Security Advisor and led the brilliant negotiations with the Ayotallahs which helped legitimize them in power even as they were holding American hostages.
Zbiggy has a long record of anti- Israel sentiment. This remark is no surprise. The question is why he chose to make it now when there is no special sign of any Israeli attack.
I don’t know the answer.

If Israel wants war, let it be! Mr. Obama, PLEASE make sure that no U.S soldier is murder in this one! Just get our soldier out of there to go back to their families! I am tire of this Israel-Palestina-Iran nonsense.

There is no good outcome with regard to Israel, Iran and its quest for nuclear weapons. Iran is determined to acquire them and Israel is determined to prevent that. Neither will back down because both see their very survival at stake.
If Israel attacks Iran, the consequences would be disastrous and not just for the middle east. Oil prices would spike to unheard of levels, the entire world would be plunged into a depression that would at least rival and probably surpass the 1930s.- bye bye the current US standard of living.
The current pro-US regimes in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and most important, Pakistan, would almost certainly be overthrown by radical fundamentalists. The numbers of Islamic fanatics would mushroom and all of them would be aiming their terrorism at the US. Those 2 factors combined would mean that whatever restraint the Pakistani military currently practices over the militants would end and a nuclear terrorist attack on the US would be a real possibility. So the nightmare that we are trying to avoid – nuclear armed terrorists – would happen anyway.
On the other hand, if Iran does acquire nuclear weapons it would be able to dominate its neighbors and whatever influence the US currently has in the region would be reduced to something close to zero. Iraq, already heavily influenced by Iran, would throw the US out and position itself under Iran’s nuclear umbrella. Because they would have little choice, the Sunni regimes in the region would realign with Iran as the preeminent Islamic power. Even Turkey would have a hard time maintaining its pro-western stance and would probably withdraw from NATO.
What people should remember was that there were those that argued for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union in the late 40s because the idea of a nuclear armed Russia was unimagineable given that they had an avowed aim to wipe out capitalism. Is that so very different from what we’re hearing now?
Not all Iranians are madmen. The real holders of power in Iran (and that doesn’t include Ahmadinejad) know that the real advantage of having nuclear weapons is just that – to have them. They know that any attack against Israel or any other US ally would result in their obliteration, just as the Soviets and Chinese knew it. The world will adjust to a nuclear armed Iran just as it did to a nuclear armed Russia, China, India and Pakistan because it has no other real choice.

TO ALL THOSE WHO HATE ISRAEL,,,LET ME QUOTE THE BIBLE,,,,ZACARIAH CHAPTER 12
LE T ME REMIND YOU MR BREZINSKI .NO NATION WILL ATTACK ISRAEL, AND STAY UNPUNISHED BY THE WRATH OF THE LORD,,,,,ISRAEL WILL BE THE CAPITAL OF THE WORDL BIBLICY SPEAKING…ANY BODY READ EZEQUIEL CHAPTER 38….RUSSIANS STAY OUT OF MIDDDLE EAST …..IRANIANS,,ARABS,,PALESTINIANS ,,, ECT ECT,,, THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS LOOK FOR PEACE WITH ISRAEL… GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE…GOD BLESS U ALL NO OFFENSE FOR ANYBODY,,,, LUV U ALL,,BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS THERE,,IT WONT LIE …

The article is incorrect about the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty being a “mistake”; Google to read the eye witness accounts of all the US servicemen who survived the subsequent strafing when in the water- it was intentional and a huge coverup. The subsequent commission was only a coverup.
Let’s be clear; Israel dominates the foreign policy of the US and puts the US in a Catch-22. It is a country with an apartheid type democracy and never intends to give up the land that it is stealing from Palestinians – stall, stall, stall. Former prime ministers Menachem Begin aand Yitzhak Shamir were terrorists in the 1930-40s who helped found Israel by blowing up the King David Hotel and many Arab villages. We need the many talents of the Jewish people in this world, but not the blatant conceits of Zionists who feel entitled because they have a book they believe entitles them to do whatever to gain supremacy in the Levant.

You can talk all you want, if Israel doesn’t take care of the Iranians the next door they will be knocking on is the US of A. But by that time they should have missiles which could reach the Atlantic Shores with Nuclear War heads. WAKE UP SLEEPING Beauties !!As I see it you have two choices ;
1) Fight
2) Convert to Islam
No need to hurray our enemies have plenty of time to multiply and conquer the world.
There is no real Peace with Muslims, only conquer. No moderate Muslims , this is only talk to fool the foolish. Don’t believe any of them. If we don’t show them that they must stay in their rat holes they will come to take our homes. They are already splitting up the booty between themselves, earmarking every house and business. Believe me, I have heard them arguing in Arabic, who will take what house!
WAKE UP AMERICAS

I think Iran must be confronted about their nuclear ambitions, but why does Israel get off scott free? You never hear anything about Israel building and stock piling nuclear weapons. When was the last time the UN inspected their nuclear sites. They are not held to the same standard as any other country in the middle east. Could it be that our media companies are deathly afraid of offending the Israeli lobby this is why we never hear about this subject in our media. After Israel has been warned about over flying Iraq to strike Iran, if they choose to do so in spite of it their planes should be treated just like any other hostile planes that would over fly Iraq, their planes should be shot down before they light the match that comsumes the middle east and signs death warrants for our troops. The hawks who want to start a shooting war with Iran should volunteer their sons and daughters to be the first in line to be deployed, or they should shut their mouths and go back under their rocks.
My thoughts on the subject, but I could be wrong :-)

I read a book by this guy in college 40 years ago. Had I known what a moron he is, I would have dropped the course.

why is it that America and Israel India and the list goes on have the right to have nuclear power and technology and which in the case of Israel and America in particular has been used to cause alot of causalities amongst innocent children babies women civilians…why doesn’t the world ask these countries to disarm…we want to also know their nuclear capabilities and what nuclear mass destruction products they have in their possesion and make them disarm and give up their bullying attitude.

This article has a major error. The massive attack on the United States “Liberty” by Israeli pilots was NOT a “mistake” as the article tries to lead us to believe. I think this distortion/error is intentional because the facts of the attack are well known by all news persons.
The Israelis did a fly over of the Liberty several times to identify it. The Liberty was flying a big American flag. It was marked as a US Naval vessel. The Liberty had radio contact with the Israeli fighter jets, identifying the ship. They were able to wave to Israeli pilots who waved back.
Then the attack happened. It was a massive killing attack on the United States vessel by the Israelis. The Liberty called for help to a US carrier nearby who was ordered to with hold any help to the US vessel under attack. About 100 American sailors died and many more were wounded. The Liberty did not sink, although Ireali pilots tried to sink it.
President Johnson hushed up the affair where Americans military were killed by Israel. Nothing was done.
Read the book written by one of the sailors on the Liberty.
It is interesting after so many years, writers like the author of this article still continue the effort to cover up how our boys were killed and by whom.

Usa gets oil from arabs and press them at the same time, they are also support Israeli army and then dont let them to use weapon. I dont und USA politic…

In the last two weeks, I have forgotten about all of these dozens of unimaginable horror stories about this Administration and instead have been laughing constantly about one fantastic story. I am still alive to see Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu rub President Obama’s, VP Joe Biden’s, and SoS Hilary Clinton’s noses in the biggest pile of dong created by a free Republic. Little tiny Israel stands up to defend itself and all hell breaks loose. In these long and bloody 63 years, the Palestinians have not once accepted an Israeli offer of permanent peace, or ever countered with anything short of terms that would destroy Israel. I will be laughing for years and thanking God (who is in control) for Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu. I love this guy and I am not even Jewish.

Read the Bible if you want to know what is going on in the Middle East. Many prophesies have been fulfilled in our lifetime. Israel is God’s chosen people and He will protect them from Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Russia, China, the USA and any other nation that will rise against them. God takes no prisoners. When you die – it’s black or white. Heaven or Hell….INFORM YOURSELVES PEOPLE AND OPEN YOUR HEART TO GODS WORD. IT IS THE TRUTH.

Thank you. I love reading this kid of stuff!