At Bush Administration Reunion, Cheney Attacks Obama … Again

“Cheney also suggested that the strategy Obama announced in March was, well, his.”
So Cheney sat on a better strategy for seven years while our troops were being killed in that meat grinder and now he attacks Obama for delaying? He’s not evil, he’s pathetic. Seriously, who listens to this guy anymore? He’s less popular than Bush Jr.

Hey, Jhw539,
If you would read the entire speech you would realize that the plan Cheney is referring to was derived in 2008 after new planning was done to address the new threats from the Taliban.
Cheney handed that plan off to the new adnimistration as is the responsible thing to do.
Obama even touted the plan in the spring.
Also, the reason Cheney brought this up was because Obama’s advisers, this past weekend, accused the Bush Administration of “not asking questions” on Afghanistan. And then pompously stated that Obama was starting from square one.
It was a lie and Cheney called them out on it.
It is a fact that Bush and Cheney kept this country safe for the 7 years after the 9-11 attacks. You can unfairly demean them with made-up “facts” till the cows come home….
But it doesn’t change reality.

Why must the media continue to give this GOM(Grumpy old man) airtime. He has been discredited on a plethora of issues. He should be facing a war crimes tribunal and should quite frankly after lying us into war and causing the deaths of many sons and daughters of America including my cousin, respectfully, shut his trap. Afghanistan was the forgotten war, the one that John McCain said we could “muddle through” when we took our eye off the ball and went to Iraq.So for Cheney to act like he is some huge “decider ” on correct military strategy when he didn’t even have the courage to serve when it was his turn is offensive. Fro the Record Jake, Bush and Cheney presided over the biggest intelligence failure in America’s history which resulted in the deaths of over 3000 Americans. So what Cheney needs to realize before he opens his mouth is that President Obama has kept us safer longer than he and Bush did at this point in their Presidency and has busted at least 6 terror plots so far in these 9 months. “Cheney criticizes Obama”, might as well type “Dog bites man” Who cares?

pathetic doens’t begin to describe Mr. Cheney. The Bush administration was a failure of epic proportions, But I bet ole dad is happy jr was able to finish his agenda for him…

This guy, Cheney has a serious flaw of memory. Since when is the vice-prez the spokesperson for Bush admin policy.
Man, somebody should take that guy quail hunting,oops I forgot,about the accident that’s probably why he HASN’T BEEN INVITED.

How nice to know that Cheney, Libby, Rumsfeld and Feith continue to gather socially. That should make it easier to arrest them all as war criminals.

REALITY is that 9-11 HAPPENED ON BUSH AND CHENEY’S WATCH. And it’s not like they were not warned about the Bin Laden threat coming in.
Posted by: jhw539 |
There is certainly some truther to that.

Our kids are dying over in Afghanistan, either get them more help or get them the hell out of there…. Obama makes me sick… now put me on the list that you will be watching….. at least I didn’t vote for you… and you are exactly what you presented yourself to be…. therefore all the idoits that voted for your should not be shocked… and I for one do not think it is funny… my child is actually one that will die for our country.. not yours Obama….

“Cheney also suggested that the strategy Obama announced in March was, well, his.”
That’s sort of an opinionated Executive Summary, isn’t it, folks? Here’s the entire excerpt for those whose lips won’t get tired reading it:
“Recently, President Obama’s advisors have decided that it’s easier to blame the Bush Administration than support our troops. This weekend they leveled a charge that cannot go unanswered. The President’s chief of staff claimed that the Bush Administration hadn’t asked any tough questions about Afghanistan, and he complained that the Obama Administration had to start from scratch to put together a strategy.
“In the fall of 2008, fully aware of the need to meet new challenges being posed by the Taliban, we dug into every aspect of Afghanistan policy, assembling a team that repeatedly went into the country, reviewing options and recommendations, and briefing President-elect Obama’s team. They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt. The new strategy they embraced in March, with a focus on counterinsurgency and an increase in the numbers of troops, bears a striking resemblance to the strategy we passed to them. They made a decision – a good one, I think – and sent a commander into the field to implement it.
“Now they seem to be pulling back and blaming others for their failure to implement the strategy they embraced. It’s time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity.”
I suppose your summary was, well, close enough for some and pleasing to many. To momentarily wax reporter-like, many of the statements in the article are widely considered slanted. (Thanks for the loan of your “torture” sentence.)

And to think we taxpayers have been paying good money on medical treatments to keep his bad ticker running…
Another proponent for Obamacare; the plan where we ration health care, and deny treatment to people we don’t like.

It is a fact that Bush and Cheney kept this country safe for the 7 years after the 9-11 attacks.
sharprightturn
too bad they were too lazy and arrogant to prevent the actual 9•11 attack….

Cheney is a slug. period. Someone put salt on him please.

“The Bush administration had nothing to do with 9/11. But it is documented reality that they put terrorism and Bin Laden as a low priority at the start of their term (and recall that when Clinton belated tried to kill Bin Laden, Republicans actually attacked him for distracting from the important business of their impeachment witch hunt”
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They really blew that . .. plus they were already fixated on Iraq. The guilt must still haunt Cheney and Bush, if they’re even capable of those types of feelings.

Afghanistan is not a colony of the United States. The United States gets its mandate to stay in the Country from the Government of Afghanistan
There is an inconclusive election in the Country and the incumbent has the problem of legitimacy. Any mandate received from Mr Karzai led Government will be illegitimate at this time and it could be invalidated by a new President if Mr Karzai fails in his re-election bid.
I think its logical to wait and see the direction the Country is taking before commiting more troops.
This is not a sign of weakness on the part of President Obama; It is common sense!

Cheney was responding with facts that were 180 degrees opposite from Rahm E.’s attack and abdication of responsibility (Blame everything on Bush is getting tired) for the current situation.
The only reason some of us voted for Obama was to bring troops home, but if he won’t do that, then at least let them have a shot at success.
A good bit of bias in this piece and some gerrymandering with the facts.

Ya right Bush sr. didnt go to war in desert storm but he pulled a Carter and didnt finish it when he sould have.

I only see excuses coming from obama and his administration. He is trying to come up with reasons outside his control why we shouldn’t send more troops to Afghanistan. The Nobel Peace Prize bought a few weeks, now it’s the fraudulent elections. Since when does obama care about fraudulent elections? The black panthers got away with helping intimidate voters in the United States!
When Hillary Clinton started talking about how important the war in Afghanistan was during the primaries, obama PARROTED these talking points. Today, Hillary is pressuring obama to do something!! He, as a liberal, doesn’t care about the war there. All you libs should feel good about this. If he could, he wouldn’t do anything over there and bring all the troops home. Nothing wrong with that. What’s wrong is that he set a ‘new’ strategy in March, asked his general for advice, the general gave it, and he continues to DITHER while troops get killed – as if he’s waiting for something to happen that will get him out of making the tough decision.
Millions of Americans as well as people in the rest of the world do not feel safe with this lack of leadership.

Millions of Americans as well as people in the rest of the world do not feel safe with this lack of leadership.
Posted by: Jenny | Oct 22, 2009 8:46:43 AM
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Oh, for heaven’s sake. Jenny, you shredded every last of ounce of credibility you many have had by lying through your teeth or parroting grossly misinformed talking points on another thread yesterday. You have no idea what a socialist country is or a mixed economy– and now you’re trying to weigh in on how people around the world feel or what Obama cares about? Seriously? Have you ever been anywhere?
The President set a new strategy in March, asked General McCrystal for an assessment and it turned out the General was surprised by just how bad the situation in Afghanistan is. Read his report! The admin has said it has every intention of making a decision in time to get troops there by spring–why spring? Do you even know or are you just chiming in looking for another opportunity to whine about Obama and call others “socialists” though you have no idea what that even means?
Ask Cheney how long they “dithered” in Afghanistan. Or read up on it so you sound like someone who is informed rather than someone simply eager to put in all caps the word du jour per tea party memoranda.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. That’s the lowest level of Strong Approval yet measured for this President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13.

A few points to keep in mind, when discussing Afghanistan. First, Republicans are already signaling that they’re going to paint any Dem opposition to General Stanley McChrystal’s demand for an expanded counterinsurgency as letting down the troops. For example, House GOP leader John Boehner said yesterday that Obama’s failure to fill the General’s demand right now amounted to “foot-dragging” that “puts our troops there at much greater danger than they would be otherwise.” The preferred word to foot-dragging is dithering, but you get the point. Meanwhile, despite the GOP’s baloney, House Republicans, including Boehner, have let down the troops by voting against war spending bills this year– and by not giving a care about Afghanistan until recently.
More importantly, this whole idea that deliberation and well-considered decision-making undermines the military is absurd– and really dumb. It’s so irritating. President Obama explained yesterday that the U.S. shouldn’t “put resources ahead of strategy.” I agree with him. Escalating first and thinking later didn’t work. We’re still in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also, everybody seems to forget that the Bush/Cheney “dithered” for months pondering the “surge” policy in Iraq. And guess what? The hypocritical Republicans weren’t whining about the president– and if they had, they would have been considered unpatriotic.

President Obama’s push for health care reform during the third quarter of 2009 has seriously damaged his public standing, according to new data from the Gallup Daily tracking poll. His job approval rating dropped nine points from the second to the third quarter, from 62 percent to 53 percent.
The nine-point second-to-third quarter drop is the highest Gallup has ever measured for an incumbent president during his first year in office, and among the highest quarter-to-quarter drops measured for any president at any point.
 

Also, everybody seems to forget that the Bush/Cheney “dithered” for months pondering the “surge” policy in Iraq. And guess what? The hypocritical Republicans weren’t whining about the president– and if they had, they would have been considered unpatriotic.
Posted by: GwenTenn | Oct 22, 2009 10:08:14 AM
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And here is the typical liberal point: Since Bush did it, obama can too! The liberals are the parrots.
Remember comrad Gwen, 35% of Americans are moderates. Your posts should at least attempt to sway them.

people are watching and reading.
Posted by: Jenny | Oct 22, 2009 10:15:00 AM
I hope so, particularly if they have reading comprehension skills above that of a fifth grader. Let me give them a couple pointers. Read her comments on socialist countries and Honduras for a little insight. Then try real hard to take her comments on foreign policy seriously. As for vitriol, note how she calls ALL dems liberals, socialists and Marxists– and note that she voted for Clinton and now supports Palin and is anti health care reform. Then try to take her domestic policy comments seriously. Heh.

I hope so, particularly if they have reading comprehension skills above that of a fifth grader. Let me give them a couple pointers. Read her comments on socialist countries and Honduras for a little insight. Then try real hard to take her comments on foreign policy seriously. As for vitriol, note how she calls ALL dems liberals, socialists and Marxists– and note that she voted for Clinton and now supports Palin and is anti health care reform. Then try to take her domestic policy comments seriously. Heh.
Posted by: GwenTenn | Oct 22, 2009 10:20:08 AM
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I’m glad I’m that important to you that you are taking notes. All the liberals are taking notes of us Independents to see how they can sway us in the next elections. The 35% of us are running so fast away from you liberals is scary, isn’t it? Very appropriate for Halloween I would say!
The Honduras is a done deal Miss Gwenn. You, the liberals, and obama are on the wrong side of the argument.
Keep it coming! I’m loving it!

I don’t see many people saying how great it is that Obama is indecisive about his Afghan policy.
I don’t see many people defending how he is handling it.
Instead, it’s all about Bush.
Who in August was saying, I HOPE Obama doesn’t address this issue until November?
Who in January was saying, it will be best if Obama waits almost a year before he decides how to handle Afghanistan?
Who in March said, ok, now he doesn’t need to readdress Afghanistan for another 6 months, no matter how bad things get?
Nobody.
It isn’t good. It isn’t Bush’s fault. I hope he finds some wisdom on this, because he’s Commander in Chief now.

President Obama explained yesterday that the U.S. shouldn’t “put resources ahead of strategy.
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It isn’t the “US”. It is Commander in Chief Barack Obama who must decide the strategy. It isn’t some thing that is going to happen and the US will react to it.
He is not a passive participant in this who needs to make sure he doesn’t get out ahead of events. He’s it. He’s the driver.

Your posts should at least attempt to sway them.
Posted by: Jenny | Oct 22, 2009 10:17:30 AM
Unless of course I use a variation of Gwen Tennyson as my moniker because I’d rather identify, call out and smote cultish alternate reality aliens who post error-laden, content-free, answer-absent comments.

===He’s it. He’s the driver.===
*shudder*

RCP Obama average approval among voters: 49.67%.”
ROFLMAO!
Fasicts is left to make up his own numbers now and slap an RCP stamp on them.
How sad.
Guess that WaPo poll and CBS poll showing the GOP getting crushed in generic ballots has got you down.

“I’m glad I’m that important to you that you are taking notes. All the liberals are taking notes of us Independents to see how they can sway us in the next elections. The 35% of us are running so fast away from you liberals is scary, isn’t it? Very appropriate for Halloween I would say!”
ROFLMAO!
Jenny the “independent” who regurgitates nothing but right wing talking points and gets furious at attacks on Bush or Cheney.
35% is the percentage of right wing morons who still approved of Bush.

“I wonder what is happening in Virginia? And why NJ is in a dead heat?”
VA is usually a red state with an open seat. If Tim Kaine is running, he wins.
Deeds had an uphill battle to start (especially since this was a rematch of an election he had lost).
Corzine was having problems before the economy tanked. Not that he is a favorite.
Corzine was also getting his butt handed to him until Christie’s strategy of do nothing blew up in his face.
Corzine may stay in his seat thanks to an relatively unknown challenger.
The NJ race is so bad that the Newark Star Ledger which is probably the best paper in the state endorsed the 3rd party guy.

===Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 22, 2009 12:10:46 PM===
So republicans aren’t really getting crushed?

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. That’s the lowest level of Strong Approval yet measured for this President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 22, 2009 9:58:10 AM
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The Rasmussen results actually show significant improvement for the President versus what the ‘Strongly’ ‘Index’ says; 1) The movement from yesterday today indicates that 1% of voters moved from ‘Strongly Disapprove’ to ‘Somewhat Approve’, 2) Because of this the Presidents ‘Total ’ ‘Index’ went up 1% from yesterday even though his ‘Strongly ‘ ‘Index’ stayed the same!
To see this ‘hidden improvement’ and to show how the ‘Republican-biased Rasmussen Results’ can be used to make President Obama look more unfavorable by using ‘Strongly’ instead of ‘Total’, it is instructive to look at the results from yesterday and today. This method is one reason why their results diverge so drastically from all the other polls.
The Rasmussen Poll has 4 answers as follows;
1) Strongly Approve,
2) Somewhat Approve,
3) Somewhat Disapprove,
4) Strongly Disapprove.
‘Total Approve’ and Total Disapprove’ are calculated from these. The Index = Approve-Disapprove. Therefore, 3 ‘Indexes’ are calculated and used as ‘appropriate’.
To illustrate the movement of voters, I use the data from today and yesterday (both of which have the same -13 index).
21 Oct 2009 data
View / Somewhat / Strongly / Total
Approve / 20% / 27% / 47%
Disapprove / 13% / 40% / 53%
Index / 7% / -13% / -6%
22 Oct 2009 data
View / Somewhat / Strongly / Total
Approve / 21% / 26% / 47%
Disapprove / 13% / 39% / 52%
Index / 8% / -13% / -5%
1) The movement from yesterday today indicates that 1% of voters moved from ‘Strongly Disapprove’ to ‘Somewhat Approve’
2) Because of this the Presidents ‘Total ’ ‘Index’ went up 1% from yesterday even though his ‘Strongly ‘ ‘Index’ stayed the same!

“===Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 22, 2009 12:10:46 PM===”
So republicans aren’t really getting crushed?
In the generic ballot, they are.
The generic ballot has to do with Congress (Senate or House).
The question is usually something along the lines of
“In the upcoming 2010 elections are you more inclined to vote for a Democrat or Republicans in that election”
Its not a perfect gauge of voter sentiment, but being down double digits is not good.

===In the generic ballot, they are. ===
Generic beat Bush in 2004.

“===In the generic ballot, they are. ===
Generic beat Bush in 2004.”
I hope this ignorance is willful because it would be too sad otherwise.
Generic vs generic can be a useful though imperfect guide to voter’s electoral mood.
You brought up a gauge that is used with incumbents, usually combined with their approval rating as to look at their vulnerability in re-election.
The thing about polling is that once a candidate is named, they have to stand on their own.
So while it may say generic Dem beats Bush, Kerry did not.
When it says generic GOPer beats Gray Davis, Bill Jones did not.
The candidate and campaigns matter more than simple generic ballots
So in the generic ballot asking Dem vs GOP the overall poll may find a mood favorable to Democrats, but each race will be dependent upon the candidates.

===So in the generic ballot asking Dem vs GOP the overall poll may find a mood favorable to Democrats, but each race will be dependent upon the candidates.===
So wordy to say what I had already said.

…It’s 1% he is arguing. Won’t you admit that that is probably insignificant?…
Posted by: Axey | Oct 22, 2009 12:35:06 PM
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The larger issue I was arguing was how Rasmussen biases their results against the President. That is why I used the example.
As it turns out the President’s ‘hidden improvement’ was yet another example.
I am learning this as well as I was unaware until I calculated it.

“I think the ABC/WaPo are bogus. I think the CNN poll is bogus.”
Based on what?
I can demonstrate Rasmussen’s bias and have done so.
“And so does Obama. You can clearly tell when the internal numbers aren’t looking very good. You can tell with Bush. You can tell with Obama.”
ROFLMAO!
This is one of my guilty pleasures.
Right wingers who hate Obama so much they are now willing to use Bush to attack him.
Obama is worried about legislative victories not day to day polling.
The former takes care of the later.

…That’s all well and good, except you are ignoring the internals on the polls you like…
Posted by: Axey | Oct 22, 2009 12:44:29 PM
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Excuse me…those ARE the internals.
I had to go to the internals to find the truth and show the Republican bias of the Rasmussen results.

…His job approval rating dropped nine points from the second to the third quarter, from 62 percent to 53 percent.
The nine-point second-to-third quarter drop is the highest Gallup has ever measured for an incumbent president during his first year in office, and among the highest quarter-to-quarter drops measured for any president at any point.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 22, 2009 10:11:04 AM
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But, you forgot to point out the parallel between Ronald Reagan’s and Obama’s situation AND early ‘approval poll numbers’.
Both took office as the nation’s economy was in perilous times. Reagan was at 60% at six months, but his standing slipped below 50% by the end of his first year in office as the jobless rate swelled.
As you remember, Reagan was re-elected.

===As you remember, Reagan was re-elected.===
So was Clinton. Which is why my stomach stays in knots.

As I just said. You are going to the internals of polls you don’t like and ignoring the internals of polls you do like.
Today, October 22, 2009, 10:51:17 AM | Axey
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Yes, I misunderstood your statement.
I did do that with Fascist yesterday, but got no response.
For instance, I am wondering why we seem to have a contradiction in the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. polls.
This is because in an Oct 16 to Oct 18 poll of 1,038 Adults, 55% vs 43% approve of the job the President is doing. But, Fascist pointed out that 51% “disagree with the President on issues important to them”.
So the question is this: What does it mean when?…
1) 51% “disagree with the President on issues important to them”, but
2) 55% ‘approve of the job he is doing’, and
3) 45% ‘disagree with the job he is doing’.
Do you have a hunch what this means?

…Giving an award to Cheney for “respecting individual rights throughout the world” is like giving an award to Hitler for bringing attention to genetic research or Svengali for contributions to hypnotism.
Posted by: Oleander | Oct 22, 2009 12:58:55 PM
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This is nothing more than laying the groundwork to re-write history for the Bush administration.

Turn-About is fair play….If they can’t handle the critics, they, and we, are in a lot of trouble…Get Over It..It’s a game played by all sides….

“Both took office as the nation’s economy was in perilous times. Reagan was at 60% at six months, but his standing slipped below 50% by the end of his first year in office as the jobless rate swelled.”
Reagan spent much of 1982 in the 40′s.

Bush and Cheney took a lot of heat as they deliberated….
There is legitimate frustration with seeing what President Obama can do when he is really going for something- like health care…
Posted by: MayBee | Oct 22, 2009 12:16:09 PM
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First, I’m not going to pretend that I thought Obama wasn’t going to take a lot of heat this year (as would anyone in his postition, IMO, given the economy, the two wars and the full agenda he’s trying to move in partnership with a Congress that is as agile as a huge cargo ship). I agree it’s par for the course if that is what you’re saying. But as the Dem opposition points out hypocrisy and all kinds of other things every chance it gets, I think it’s only fair that I do the same, and I’ll continue to do it. The GOP always has. In fact, they’re brutal in their characterization of Dems. Okay, so that’s point one.
Point number two, I could be wrong on all of this, I have no inside knowledge, but so far here is how it looks to me– we are likely sending troops in the Spring, which is when they would have arrived if the decision had been made three weeks ago or is made three weeks from now, and the Prez and NSC are now in the process of ensuring that we know our end goal and that the end goal and the means prescribed for reaching it are the best courses of action, given everything we know from multiple angles. I think we’ll know before Thanksgiving, that there will be an announcement, that the Prez likely hasn’t changed his mind but was open to hearing all sides and fine- tuning the strategy and goal, that we’ll go ahead with the counterinsurgency thing– and, yes, that the President will continue to take heat. From his own base on the issue of war.
Now, we’ll see.
I do tend to agree with Gibbs comments on Cheney today. A request for troops went unfulfilled for months before Obama was inaugurated and what do you know? He filled that request quickly. McCrystal has asked for troops within a year. Has it been a year? Has a deadline been reached which would make it impossible to meet McCrystal’s request. Why, look at that– nope.

Ernest,
The interesting thing to me about the ABC/WaPo poll was the percentage of democrats polled and they aren’t satisfied with Obama’s handling of issues, though still approving of him overall. And the right track/wrong track should worry them too.

I’m sorry. I don’t really understand what you are saying here.
Posted by: MayBee | Oct 22, 2009 1:54:52
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Ah. Sorry. The downside of doing twenty things at one time. In response to Gwen’s post (Hi “Gwen;” nice O’Donnell quote) you said Bush and Cheney took heat and so on. I agree but there is still hypocrisy in the fact that Republicans are giving heat for things they let slide under Bush/Cheney– and it’s worth pointing out since the GOP doesn’t let any hypocrisy slide when that hypocrisy is on the part of Dems.
I don’t know if that’s any more lucid. It’s not necessarily an important part of the post.
Anyway… I have to go look up what Gibbs said today. Pelosi pushed back as well, and then I have a long to-do list. Catch you all later.

Oops I meant I had to look up what General Eaton said, not Gibbs. I’d already read Gibbs and his push back was good but Eaton’s is even better. Google “Gen. Eaton, Cheney Cheney Was “Incompetent War Fighter” at the National Security Network. Here’s a taste, but read the whole thing!
” The record is clear: [Richard] Cheney and the Bush administration were incompetent war fighters. They ignored Afghanistan for 7 years with a crude approach to counter-insurgency warfare best illustrated by: 1. Deny it. 2. Ignore it. 3. Bomb it. While our intelligence agencies called the region the greatest threat to America, the Bush White House under-resourced our military efforts, shifted attention to Iraq, and failed to bring to justice the masterminds of September 11. The only time Cheney and his cabal of foreign policy ‘experts’ have anything to say is when they feel compelled to protect this failed legacy. “

ROFLMAO!
Jenny the “independent” who regurgitates nothing but right wing talking points and gets furious at attacks on Bush or Cheney.
35% is the percentage of right wing morons who still approved of Bush.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 22, 2009 12:05:41 PM
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Ryan “ROFLMAO” C is at it again! Moderates, Conservatives and Republicans equal 75%. Little ol’ liberals are in a minority as usual at 21%

Call me names as you wish as I’m not very concerned about your opinion given your error-laden, substance-free posts, and it’s pretty clear I dish it out:>)
Posted by: GwenTenn | Oct 22, 2009 12:00:08 PM
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Your posts are way too long. You must be getting paid for them and using the rahm emmanual database for liberal talking points. They fall on deaf ears and you are not convincing anyone with your false arguments. Neither is obama. He’s tanking. Time to celebrate!

“Your credibility is shot, Ryan “ROFLMAO” C. These are Gallup numbers that you used yesterday”
You added conservatives + moderate + republicans and claimed they were all against liberals which is just plain stupid for two reasons.
1) There are right and left leaning moderates.
2) Adding Republicans and conservatives together means you are counting some twice.
Again you just made up the numbers.
The lesson as always? right wingers lie.

I’ll check in later to see what you did to “little ol’ me”.
Posted by: ErnestNM | Oct 22, 2009 3:10:20 PM
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I don’t find your post offensive at all and I appreciate the respectful tone of it. I am not a Republican either. In fact, I usually vote Green Party because I despise politicians in both parties. They are both equally offensive to me whether they are cheating, lying, stealing, having marital affairs or whatever. But unlike you, I find the conservative side of the republican party more acceptable than the liberal side of the democrat party.

The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 22, 2009 3:24:49 PM
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Sorry Ryan – your post can be found. I don’t know if you want to go there. You were telling someone that only 40% of people were conservative the and rest were liberal (grouping moderates with your false numbers). You lie.

“Sorry Ryan – your post can be found.”
Of course it can.
What do you think I was referencing?
I think its in the huge FoxNews thread.
” You were telling someone that only 40% of people were conservative the and rest were liberal (grouping moderates with your false numbers).”
ROFLMAO!
I never claimed that 60% of the country was liberal.

rahm emmanual database for liberal talking points
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As we all suspected, some right wingers have no clue. You think Rahm “can’t let the liberal wing dominate the agenda” Emanuel is liberal?

Democrat’s have no idea how ignorant they are simply because they believe their own lies!Joe Wilson-the (Democrat)
lied about Saddam not trying to buy yellow cake in Niger.Our troops found ton’s of iit in Iraq that was secretly removed in coperation with our alies.
Bush and our alies new it was there and they removed it.Hey Democrat’s! You need to graduate out of the 3rd grade!!!

not only did the busch administration fail this country by going into Iraq when the primary objective was osama bin landen and al queda, but the plan for the war in Iraq was lead by cheney and Rumsfeld, not Powell. This led to the loss of lives, limbs and minds and financial costs that are still hurting us and have contributed greatly to the tremendous deficit that we face today. i am a CPA and a registered Republican but after the last 8 years of complete mistakes and unaccountability by our elected officials, History will show and prove this to be one of the great reasons why the country is in the weak state that it is now.
Afganistan isn’t Obama’s war, it is a mess he inherited from Busch and Cheney and now has to find a way to fix it without putting our country is worse shape, all of these so called experts love to take shots at Obama, lets see one of them come up with a solution that fixes the whole problem. Cheney had his chance and blew it, Thank God for free Speech, but every time he opens up his mouth, people with an IQ over 50 turn him off more and more and if you don’t, simply do the math and start with the cost of the Iraq war with no way to fund it and how we treated our veterans when they came home

Americans need to thank Bush and Cheney for keeping us citizens safe during their watch. How do Democrats contribute to our safety by demonizing citizens that back our troops while they are in the battle zone? How does it make Democrats better citizens? Ask your self what have you done? Nothing! Except demonize Bush and Cheney for having the guts to defend our country. Look your self in the mirror and tell your self how brave you are-not!!!

Thank you Bush and Cheney and our troops for keeking America safe. GOD Bless you guy’s and GOD bless America!!!

I know right wingers require amnesia to forget the awful things they have done but seriously how do you forget the terrorist attacks on 9/11?
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 22, 2009 5:11:03 PM
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Require amnesia? This doesn’t make sense. You’ve been on the boards too long, dear.