By Gorman Gorman

Oct 27, 2009 8:30am

Bye, Bipartisanship: Reid’s gambit forces centrists to choose sides

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: There won't be a press conference to announce its victory. There are too many lobbyists to thank, anyway.

Nearly a year after the American people voted to kill it, partisanship not only still lives — it thrives, and it may never have been healthier than at this moment.

The White House hesitancy to go this route on health care had everything to do with the desire to keep Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, on board. Now that she's gone, this becomes a purely partisan exercise: Every one of those 60 votes in the Senate will have to be Democratic votes, and you can pretty much forget about 61 or 62.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision to include a public option in his version of the health care bill is a major victory for the left — one that almost certainly wouldn't have come without grass-roots pressure on a majority leader who's facing a tough reelection fight himself.

Votes 58, 59, and 60 are critical, of course, but this does less to empower centrists than to challenge them: Will senators Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Mary Landrieu (and maybe even Snowe herself) vote for a filibuster? Now that the key vote will come not on whether to have a public option (since that's already in the bill) but on the whole package of health care reforms?

And, if GOP calculations are even close to correct, and Democrats will fully own something the public doesn't really want, this is a major win for the right as well. (If Reid can get to 60 — big if still, we know — it's not like the bill is going be pushed rightward when it goes through the House and conference.)

It all comes while President Obama spends another day on the campaign trail — campaigning on Tuesday for a candidate his political team has already deposited under a bus marked "hopeless."

And while a tough road in Afghanistan adds speed bumps: With a resignation further limiting the president's running room, ABC's Jake Tapper reports that the president is likely to seek more troops — though not 40,000 of them.

These are tough games — none tougher than the Senate game where Reid, D-Nev., now has to make those D's next to his colleagues' names mean something.

"The announcement was a turning point in the debate over how much of a role government should play in an overhauled health care system, and it set the stage for a test of Democratic party unity," The New York Times' Robert Pear and David Herszenhorn report. "With his action on Monday, Mr. Reid showed liberals he was doing all he could to achieve their goal. If his effort falters, he could propose other variations of a public plan, like one with the trigger mechanism Ms. Snowe proposed."

"U.S. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid is gambling that he can keep his party's votes together as he pushes for a government-run health-insurance program that's likely to alienate the one Republican on his side," Bloomberg's Laura Litvan and James Rowley.

Liberal activists had their say, and their day: "For Reid, it was an admission of the formidable power of liberal interest groups," Dana Milbank writes in his Washington Post column. "Now, if the public option unexpectedly survives in the Senate, Reid keeps his hero status on the left. If it fails, he at least gets credit for trying. By the Nobel committee's revised standards, his aspirations might even earn him the prizes in medicine and economics."

Out in the cold: "It's regrettable, because I certainly have worked in good faith on a bipartisan basis," Snowe tells ABC News.

"Whether or not Reid has the votes to get this done in the Senate is something that not even he knows," ABC's Jonathan Karl reported on "Good Morning America" Tuesday.

"In making it part of the official Senate bill, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has aligned himself with frustrated liberals and majority public opinion, and he has given President Obama and other Democrats an opportunity to do the same," Politics Daily's Jill Lawrence writes. "You could argue that the potential loss of Snowe over a public option is a down side. But who really thinks one Republican equals a bipartisan bill? And isn't it crazy to give her veto power over what's in it?"

It gives "new life to a contentious idea that has divided the country and members of Congress who are wary of government involvement in health care," The Boston Globe's Susan Milligan and Lisa Wangsness report.

Keeping the pressure on: MoveOn.org on Tuesday will release figures from a survey of its membership.

As shared with The Note: "Nationwide, 93% of MoveOn members said they would not support their Senator again for re-election if they joined with Republicans to filibuster health care reform. In the email to their members MoveOn states, ‘that means no donations, no volunteering, and no help getting out the vote.' "

At the state level — it's 93 percent in Nebraska, 89 in Louisiana, and 93 in Arkansas.

From the MoveOn.org fund-raising appeal going out Tuesday: "Any senator who helps Republicans block an up-or-down vote on a health care bill with a public option will lose the support of five million of us — that means no donations, no volunteering, and no help getting out the vote."

New pressure on the White House, too: "It's time for your close-up, Mr. President," Politico's Glenn Thrush and Carrie Budoff Brown report. "Now that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has announced he'll try to push through a health care reform bill with a public option, liberals are turning their focus — and their frustrations — on Barack Obama, the man who brought them to the outskirts of the progressive promise land."

Over on the other side — a new moment of ascendancy? "The GOP is going to be pretty unapologetically conservative," Bill Kristol writes in his column. "There aren't going to be a lot of moderate Republican victories in intra-party skirmishes. And — with the caveat that the political world can, of course, change quickly — there will be a conservative Republican presidential nominee in 2012."

Back on health care — now the hard part:

"Harry Reid demonstrated today that he believes that forward momentum is more important than absolute certainty when it comes to passing health reform with the public opti on," ABC's George Stephanopoulos writes.

And: "Meantime, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is considering a name change.  Appearing in Florida today, Pelosi referred to the  government-sponsored health plan proposal as ‘the consumer option' – not the ‘public option' as it has come to be known," he writes.

The focus now shifts, back: "At this point, it appears that Reid could be three votes short, with most of the focus centering on Senators Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska," Time's Karen Tumulty writes.

"Make no mistake: The centrists have the power to kill the public option. And they may still wield it," The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn writes. But "progressives have influence. And if progressives have influence, they may yet prevail on this issue. After all, they've been counted out before."

"In the Senate, this is about to become the ‘liberal' half of the debate. But it's not very liberal at all. It is a compromise, and a conservative one at that," Ezra Klein writes at Washingtonpost.com.

All credit due: "If an immediately available — no trigger — public option makes it to President Obama's desk, the member of Congress who may deserve the most credit for making it happen is Sen. Chuck Schumer," ABC's Teddy Davis reports.

"The goal was to make it a default choice available to anyone who wants it," said a Democratic Senate aide. "Even if you have a Republican governor and live in a Red State, the public option will be available right away and you can fight to keep it."

"The announcement was a dramatic triumph for the progressive community, which had howled and hissed for months as the prospects for a government-run plan dimmed," per Huffington Post's Sam Stein. "But the story behind Reid's decision has more to do with backroom negotiations behind a hastily proposed idea than with backroom negotiations behind a hastily proposed idea than with a change in political temperament."

President Obama's political day takes him to Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va., for a 4:55 pm ET appearance with Democratic gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds. (Should be a great conversation backstage about how his top political advisers think the race is already over.)

Nothing to dispute that assessment here — but enough in this poll for the White House to wash its hands of a loss: "Republican Robert F. McDonnell carries a double-digit lead over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds in the final week of the campaign for Virginia governor, according to a new Washington Post poll," Jon Cohen and Rosalind S. Helderman report in The Washington Post.

"McDonnell is also buoyed by support outside Northern Virginia, where he is outperforming all other top-of-the-ticket Republican candidates this decade. Statewide, McDonnell leads Deeds among likely voters by 55 to 44 percent. McDonnell, who narrowly defeated Deeds in the race for attorney general four years ago, has been above 50 percent among likely voters in all four Post polls in the campaign."

Get your Virginia and New Jersey pre-game analysis, from the DGA's Nathan Daschle and the RGA's Nick Ayers, on ABCNews.com's "Top Line" Monday.

The New York Times' Jeff Zeleny checks in on the trail: "Yes, Mr. Obama is embroiled in a health care debate. He is also moving closer to saying whether he intends to send more troops to Afghanistan. But despite those tasks, other challenges weigh on the White House: protecting Democrats in Congress and fighting the curse of history, where the party in power traditionally loses seats in the midterm elections."

"Just because I'm skinny doesn't mean I'm not tough," the president said.

Expectations: "If elections are the ultimate beauty contest, President Obama next week will have his first major turn on the catwalk since his inauguration," the Washington Times' Stephen Dinan writes. "Having campaigned with the Democrats running for governor in Virginia and New Jersey and for the Democrat running in a special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District, Mr. Obama has put his prestige and momentum on the line."

What else do you need to make this a 2012 battle? (And how long can Mitt Romney stay out of this?)

Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn., joins Sarah Palin in endorsing the Conservative Party nominee over the Republican candidate in New York's 23rd congressional district: "We cannot send more politicians to Washington who wear the Republican jersey on the campaign trail, but then vote like Democrats in Congress on issues like card check and taxes," Pawlenty said in a statement released to the conservative blog RedState.org.

Pawlenty's first contribution from his new PAC will be to max out to Hoffman, per an aide.

And former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., is featured in Hoffman's latest ad: "We can send Washington a message — about Doug Hoffman," Thompson says.

Tea parties in a petri dish: "The conservative rebellion in northern New York is showing that the anger among disaffected voters, which became prominent this summer during the ‘tea party' anti-spending rally in Washington and at town hall meetings on healthcare, has become a baffling political force that even Republicans are having a hard time harnessing," Janet Hook writes in the Los Angeles Times.

Rallying the troops — while raising $1.5 million in Miami Monday night: "I promise you, members of Congress listen to you a lot more than they listen to me. And so the more that you guys are mobilizing and organizing and understanding our job is not done, it's barely begun, the better off we're going to be," the president said, per ABC's Sunlen Miller.

About those other troops: "Sources tell ABC News that as of now President Obama will likely announce his decision about a new strategy in Afghanistan at some point between the Afghan run-off election, November 7, and the president's departure for Tokyo, Japan, on Wedne sday, November 11," ABC's Jake Tapper reports. "Sources emphasize that no decision has yet been made, but as of now it looks as though the president is leaning towards sending more troops to Afghanistan, though not as many as Gen. Stanley McChrystal requested, 40,000."

Limiting the president's maneuvering space — a resignation: "When Matthew Hoh joined the Foreign Service early this year, he was exactly the kind of smart civil-military hybrid the administration was looking for to help expand its development efforts in Afghanistan," Karen DeYoung reports in The Washington Post. "But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency."

"I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States' presence in Afghanistan," Hoh wrote.

ABC's Martha Raddatz: "It is really the conclusions he comes to that are so disturbing. This is someone on the ground. This is someone who served as a civilian, served in the military. They're going to pay a lot of attention to this resignation."

Is Senate Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry charting the path? (It's becoming harder to imagine that Obama would do something that doesn't have Kerry's support — given his role in securing support for the run-off election, and the heat the president will take on the left and the right almost no matter what path he chooses.)

Kerry, D-Mass., said in a speech Monday that Gen. Stanley McChrystal's plan "reaches too far, too fast," and called for a narrower mission:

"I believe that, if we redefine our strategy and objectives in order to focus on what is achievable, as well as critical, and empower the Afghans to take control of their own future, we will give all of us the best chance to succeed," said Kerry, per ABC's Kirit Radia.

"Sen. Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is the latest in a series of high-profile Democrats to come out against a buildup. His comments threw into sharp relief the political difficulties President Barack Obama faces as he winds up a review of Afghan war strategy," The Wall Street Journal's Peter Spiegel reports. "The deliberations continued Monday with the sixth cabinet-level meeting of Mr. Obama's war council; for the first time, however, the White House meeting didn't include senior military officials."

(Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, will be a guest on "Top Line" Tuesday, live noon ET at ABCNews.com.)

Before the president heads back to the trail — Tuesday is a big energy day in a big energy week.

 The president will be in Arcadia, Fla., to deliver a speech at 12:25 pm ET speech announcing Recovery Act funding for "smart grid" technologies that, according to the White House, will "modernize the nation's electricity grid, enhance reliability, promote efficiency and allow for the integration of clean, renewable energy — all while helping consumers save money."

ABC's Rachel Martin: "The president will announce a $3.4 billion investment in 100 different projects in 49 states (the White House would not say which state was inadvertently left out). These projects will be awarded up to $200 million each in federal grant money that comes from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. That money is then matched by private investors at least one to one."

"The clean-energy push comes as the administration is working to respond to a national unemployment rate hovering near double digits," the Los Angeles Times' Jim Tankersley reports. "Vice President Joe Biden today will announce the reopening of a former General Motors plant in Delaware to produce more efficient cars. And several Cabinet secretaries are scheduled to testify before a Senate panel in support of sweeping legislation to curb emissions that contribute to global warming and to encourage renewable energy development."

Sending a message: "Nothing says all-in like having the president, the vice president, three Cabinet secretaries, and two agency heads send the same ‘we care' message on the same day. It's all about achieving liftoff for the Senate energy and climate bill that's in the spotlight this week," Politics Daily's Jill Lawrence reports.

Why a message needs to be sent: Politico's Ben Smith posts the video that tells the story (as of now) on cap-and-trade — featuring Democratic senators Jim Webb, Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson, Mark Warner, and Claire McCaskill, and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich.

Somebody wants a second stimulus: "If anything, ongoing economic problems are a sign that stimulus needs to be bolstered," reads The New York Times editorial. "Deficits are a serious issue, but the immediate need for stimulus trumps the longer-term need for deficit reduction. A self-reinforcing stretch of economic weakness would be far costlier than additional stimulus."

Coming Tuesday — with a first glimpse on the "World News" broadcast and Webcast:

"ABC News' Charles Gibson will conduct a joint interview with philanthropists Bill and Melinda Gates on Tuesday, October 27. The Gates Foundation recently launched the Living Proof Project, a campaign to raise awareness about success stories of health initiatives around the globe. On Tuesday evening in Washington, D.C., the Gates will address policy makers, members of the international aid community, and a global audience via webcast, but first they'll sit down with Gibson to discuss the real impact of U.S. investments around the world and why they consider themselves ‘impatient optimists' hoping to encourage even more action."

More to come at http://www.ABCNews.com/globalhealth

Taste of 43: "Former President George W. Bush told more than 11,000 people at the Fort Worth Convention Center that he was confident he made the right decisions as president, even if it hurt his popularity," Aman Batheja writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Said Bush: "Every single day I was honored to be your president by bringing honor and dignity to the office," Bush said Monday afternoon, during his first foray into motivational speaking, at the day-long "Get Motivated" seminar.

The Dallas Morning News' Wayne Slater: "Bush left office amid two unpopular wars, low approval ratings and an economy in collapse. He has given a few paid speeches, but Monday marked perhaps the most public address of his post-presidency and a visible launch of the Bush Legacy Project, an effort by loyalists to burnish the administration in history."

Said Bush: "Some days were great. . . . Some days were not so great."

Taste of 47?: George P. Bush may be going to Iraq or Afghanistan, Bryan Curtis reports for The Daily Beast.

"Lt. Junior Grade Bush, 33, joined the Navy Reserve in 2007 as an intelligence officer. The Navy recently told him, like thousands of others, that the two ongoing wars required him to go active-duty overseas, potentially in Iraq or Afghanistan," Curtis writes.

"It's been communicated to me that it's not a question of ‘if,' it's a question of ‘when,' " "P" told The Daily Beast. "It's just a matter of time."

The Kicker:

"So we hope that Olympia will come back." — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, probably knowing better.

"This lobbyist, this K street whore, is trying to teach me about economics." — Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., making another highlight reel, referring to Federal Reserve senior adviser Linda Robertson.
 

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User Comments

The news media was telling us recently that the public option was dead, dead, dead.
And now its alive, alive, alive.
The Sunday talk show pundits all smugly agreed Obama would send 40,000 troops to Afghanistan, more or less. Today, I read a bombshell of a resignation letter of a State Dept employee who is choosing to go public about why the war is unwin-able, because, basically we are fueling a local insurgency who see the US as occupiers. I just read that Mr. Hoh is meeting with Biden’s top aide.
Does the media know anything about what is going on? I have long wished we could vote out pundits as well as politicians. The current crop is clueless.

Posted by: Amy | October 27, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am

Neither party is capable of bipartisanship. They are like siblings, who simply want to fight all the time.
We need to replace both parties, with one that actually wants to represent the people, more than themselves.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | October 27, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am

Someone please left or right. How can anyone say they are voting for a bill that hasn’t even been scored by teh CBO for cost, no one has read, It just shows me that they don’t care.!!! They have chosen sides and regardless of the nuts and bolts of the real bill will vote along party lines.

Posted by: karen | October 27, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Reid better not count his chickens. The dems were told not to discuss the details yet by Harry Reid.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this a democracy. We need to see the bill. How else can anyone make an informed decision. This is disgusting.
The American people should demand better from their officials. All of us.

Posted by: karen | October 27, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Obama has no control of his white house. These congresmen and women here think they have all the power.
Where is Obamas health care plan?? All wwe hear now days is reids and Pol;osis health care plans. The time is here to kick these want to be presidents out of office. And why are the lawyers not screaming about the health care? Is it a money maker for them??

Posted by: Jim Rod | October 27, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

When a filibuster is assumed and a single Senator was the only Republican who stood the slightest chance of voting for it, there never was any bipartisanship. Have the Republicans shown any willingness to govern at all this Congress? Their entire mantra is “we’re powerless, it’s all their fault now, we’re just going to say now and try to set the third consecutive record for filibusters.” Some compelling vision there.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 27, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am

The Democrats will pay for not listening to the Town Hall, Tea Parties and Tax Protest of the American people.They are constantly trying to ram something through Congress before even they have a chance to read let along understand what is being voted on.

Posted by: Johnny L | October 27, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am

“Someone please left or right. How can anyone say they are voting for a bill that hasn’t even been scored by teh CBO for cost, no one has read,”
karen | Oct 27, 2009 9:23:38 AM
What utter garbage. The vote hasn’t been taken, so obviously their support is contingent on the bill reflecting the legislation that has been heavily debated, passed out of committee and published. The CBO analysis will surely play a factor, as will the amendment process on the floor.
I don’t care what radio is included or option packages are installed a new Corvette, I’m pretty darn sure I want it and will say so while waiting to see the pricing.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 27, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am

“The Democrats will pay for not listening to the Town Hall, Tea Parties and Tax Protest of the American people.” – Posted by: Johnny L | Oct 27, 2009 9:32:09 AM
Are you referring to the show that was organized and promoted by FOX along with their fellow right wingnuts?
How about Eric Cantor and other GOP leaders telling real constituents that had health problems to seek charity or other Government programs?
Yesterday, a TX GOP Congressman was spotted in line waiting for swine flu shot along with his daughter in VA. The same Rep voted against funding the swine flu shot program that he was waiting in line for.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

jhw539 – Its hard to be included when your locked out of meetings and the President denies audience. But those pesky facts shouldnt stop you from blaming repubs. Fact is, and the keyword is fact, The dems have the votes they need. The repubs want them to own it. And they will. No-one is fooled by the admins attempts to deflect critizism to the repub party by saying they are obstacles. They cannot be obstacles if the dems have all the votes they need. If they were just being stubborn, then lets here how and why. You never do, just that ‘they’ are the problem. If it doesnt go now, its all on the dems. Period. Up or down its all on their heads.

Posted by: dillholedemo | October 27, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am

jw539 – I don’t know what you are reading, but I have seen countless Republicans on FOX telling about THEIR bill and what it contains – the problem being they are ignored by the Democrats! There are good ideas out there, folks, we are just not hearing about them. They are being shut out of all the meetings regarding healthcare. Now, I don’t think they are any more innocent than the Dems when it come to corruption and wanting to get rich on our buck. We need to get ALL of these incumbents out and we need to PASS TERM LIMITS FOR THEM ALL! SOMEONE, PLEASE GET THIS STARTED because you know not one Dem or Rep is going to suggest term limits for themselves!!

Posted by: M. Summer | October 27, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Persimism has no place in a great nation!!
We are tired of hearing excuses about why certain actions like fixing healthcare cannot be taken.
The Media wants such issues to remain as-is so that they can manufacture fake controversies and justify their relevance.
Over and over again the so-called beltway conventional wisdom is proven to be obsolete in this day and age.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am

What Bi-Partianship? The Republicans have been the party of NO Since Jan they are not going to vote for this bill even if it includes things that they want. Just like the stimulus all the Tax cuts that were put in there to get Republican support and they still voted NO! When are people going to realize the republicans have no solutions not willing to compromise they offer the country NOTHING! but lies hate and fear mongering.

Posted by: Angie in Pa | October 27, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am

“Its hard to be included when your locked out of meetings and the President denies audience. But those pesky facts shouldnt stop you from blaming repubs.”
dillholedemo | Oct 27, 2009 9:38:18 AM
The fact is that they have been in the committee meetings that created five bills over months. The fact is that every Republican who showed the slightest willingness to work out a compromise they’d then vote for – all three of them – were HEAVILY included. The fact is that Snowe alone had veto power over the Finance Committee bill.
That is reality. The Republicans are no more powerless than the Democrats were in the 90′s under Newt and they were willing to come to the table and compromise to reform welfare – that means some of them actually voted for the bill after it was modified to address some of their concerns.
Meanwhile, the stimulus bill included a Republican’s amendment that took $70 billion out of state aid (teachers, police, and other Dem union paychecks) and into middle class tax relief – that Republican then voted NO on the bill. When you negotiate in such unprecedented bad faith, it is surprising they were even invited to the table this time.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 27, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

“jw539 – I don’t know what you are reading, but I have seen countless Republicans on FOX telling about THEIR bill and what it contains – the problem being they are ignored by the Democrats! There are good ideas out there, folks, we are just not hearing about them. They are being shut out of all the meetings regarding healthcare.
M. Summer | Oct 27, 2009 9:39:58 AM
This is just a lie. Lets look at some facts:
Republicans sit on the committees and have been involved in the discussions.
Three Republican Senators were HEAVILY involved in the writing of the entire Senate Finance Committee bill.
The Republicans had 6 years to put out their “good ideas,” but didn’t – they would have looked like idiots after the CBO analysis showed their ‘big ideas’ for the window dressing of the status quo they really are.
We’ve heard their ideas. Not all of them are bad, like tort reform, but all of them would be negligible impact on the issue (at best – several of them are giveaways to the insurance companies on par with the Republican giveaway to the pharmaceutical companies under Bush’s Medicare Drug Benefit).

Posted by: jhw539 | October 27, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am

Why should the Dems even bring the republicans to the table no matter how much the Dems are willing to Compromise the Republicans still say NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!! Even when they get things they want! wake up lemmings see the republicans for what they are!

Posted by: Angie in Pa | October 27, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am

JHW539 – What ELSE was in the bill that made them vote NO? Open your eyes. I don’t really blame anyone except us for voting these people in! They need to be replaced by NEW, UNINFLUENCED, CONCERNED ABOUT AMERICA, NORMAL citizens who are willing to stand up and represent US and not just big business. I am tired of the games, tired of the fighting, tired of our representatives ignoring our wishes (a larger percent of people DO NOT WANT A PUBLIC OPTION THAN DO), tired of the partanship of both sides and tired of the fact that they are all LAWYERS AND ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT LINING THEIR OWN POCKETS!! I’m just tired of it all!

Posted by: Sincere | October 27, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

At this point, the real shame is that the public option will only increase costs and everyone knows it. The dems claim to want to lower costs, but the very thing they want to ram through, will increase costs. Most of us want to lower costs. That is why all recent polling shows that the majority is against the public option. It is really that simple. If only the loony left which increasingly is isolating itself from the mainstream and marching it’s way to losing a bunch of seats next november would see the writing on the wall. I am sure republicans are laughing behind closed doors on their stupidity.

Posted by: jonny | October 27, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am

JHW539 – What ELSE was in the bill that made them vote NO? Open your eyes.
Sincere | Oct 27, 2009 10:00:21 AM
Uh, I read the amendment I was referring to and listened to their counter arguments. They were exceptional poor. The only reasons to vote against the amendment were to vote no because it came from a Democrat, or to shield a few defense contractors who wanted to be contractually shielded from any employees who may be gang raped and beaten because of their negligence (as occurred – the victim was locked in a shipping container, fired, shipped home to the US and has spent years trying to get the right to take her case to court). Democrats are not blameless, but Republicans are worse than useless at this point. False equivalency is a pathetic position to take.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 27, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am

This is bad legislation pure and simple. All the lipstick in the world won’t make this pig any prettier.

Posted by: Jeff | October 27, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am

All the pundits are discussing what Sen Snowe may or may not do. But I think the surprise votes may come from GOP Sen Voinovich and/or GOP Sen Bunning. Both are retiring and are not really hardcore rightwingers. This is a chance for them to leave with a bang!! and to be remembered for helping solve a major issue.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am

I just read where barney frank, one of the biggest idiots in washington right now, said that democrats are “absolutely trying to grow the role of gov in every aspect”.
This is so far from what America has asked for, and yet idiots like reid, pelosi, frank, keep trying to shove it down our throats. Wake up people! Gov’t can’t fix your problems or increast your quality of life, only you can do that!

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am

My crystal ball shows a lot of dems taking an early retirement next year, Reid included.

Posted by: sammy | October 27, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

I know this is a hard concept for any liberal to realize, but America really is the best country the world has ever seen (90% of all life-saving drugs have been created here in AMERICA).
When it comes to quality of life for its citizens, no country even comes close. We have so much here that our “poor” people are often FAT, smoke cigarettes and eat fast food twice 3 times a week. Most of the bums lined up in the food kitchens I see are great canidates for The Biggest Loser TV show.
Our healthcare system is also the BEST in the world, and to hear a liberal describe it, you would think they were referring to hospitals in rwanda.
The healthcare system certainly has problems driving up costs… $60 BILLION a year in medicare FRAUD, ILLEGEAL immigrants taking from the system without contributing to it (14,000 illegal babies born last year in dallas alone), sleazy trial lawyers like john edwards who sue doctors for ANYTHING that goes wrong ect, gov’t mandates that ban us from reaching across state lines for coverage (which kills the idea of competition)…
But let’s just fix the old system without implementing a new one. Gov’t has wreaked enough havoc.
Send the socialists in washington back to their mansions and put representatives in who will actually listen to the will of the people.

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

Another right wing tactic, change the topic – talk about illegal imigrants.
I know a couple of visitors who gave birth in the US last year. They all paid cash for the services. I repeat they all paid cash. No fraudulent claims – cash paid for services.
And the amounts paid by these people were far higher than what the institutions would get from the insurance companies when the services are offered to residents/citizens.
Try another diversion.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am

New Wave
What is your point exactly? I was simply stating that LIBERAL policies have strained the system to where it is now, and now washington is telling us that more LIBERAL policies are going to fix the problem?
There are no OBGYN’s in west virginia because of LIBERAL trial lawyers like john edwards who sue doctors into bankruptcy, while simultaneously lining their pockets with MILLIONS.

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Someone please left or right. How can anyone say they are voting for a bill that hasn’t even been scored by teh CBO for cost, no one has read, It just shows me that they don’t care.!!! They have chosen sides and regardless of the nuts and bolts of the real bill will vote along party lines. karen>>>>>> I agree completely. The fact that they dont have a bill displayed anywhere should tell you they are not interested in making a good bill they just want to RAM something through to get as much money and POWER as they can. Its completely BS. And all those agreeing to pass this PASS WHAT? WHAT BILL? You should all be ashamed of yourself for promoting HOT AIR.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am

Dave
You actually confirmed by point.
I responded to your post in which you mentioned that illegal immigrants are the cause of rising healthcare costs. Then you respond with a totally different topic of OBGYN in WV.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am

I know a couple of visitors who gave birth in the US last year. New Wave >>>> What is this kind of logic? There are 330 MILLION people. There are about 12 MILLION illegal aliens. You need stats or something to back up what you are trying to say. You might as well started your joke with I knew a man from Nantuckett. ROFL.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Everyone that doesnt agree gets called names by the left to discredit them. Its shameful for people that are supposed to be OPEN minded. You find they are far less tolerent of anyone that doesnt think like them. Its a JOKE. You either do what I say or we will SEND you to debtors prison. Is that what is going to happen if you dont pay the federal fine? Or what?
Kind of sad but funny dont ya think.. We are so open minded your ideas are crazy. ROFL. what a buch of hypocrites

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am

Partisanship will be alive and well until the last Republican is voted out of office.

Posted by: Archie | October 27, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

NewWave what are you going to do when people stop wanting to be doctors? Hey you take the money our of practicing then why do it? Why not be a Wall Street Broker they seem to get ALL the favors and the money from the democrats. Of course you have to work for Goldman Sachs.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

When the quailty of care starts falling what will the Democrats do? Mandate smarter doctors? LOL. Maybe send us to China like they have sent our jobs. Or Mexico since they dont want to protect our border anyway. And why not make the dollar equal to the Peso. Isnt that what Obama is doing now with the blessing of the Democratic fools in Congress? I think we should elect our dogs to congress because doing nothing in that branch would have saved us a bunch of money and grief. TOSS them ALL OUT. That should be the new movement across America… DONT leave a single encumbent in office. NOT ONE.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am

New Wave
Go live in another country for a while like I did, great britain to be exact. Once you are there I recommend you experience the wonders of “free healthcare” as I did. Once you have seen the lines and witnessed the low-quality of care for yourself, you will realize why EVERYONE in the world with any means of getting here comes to USA for treatment.
After that, then you can return to the US and spend your free time posting how terrible America’s system is.
Until then, please refrain from speaking about topics you no nothing about outside of what MSNBC tells you.

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Partisanship will be alive and well until the last Republican is voted out of office. Archie >>> And you will then be a surf told what to eat what to wear and how to show up with your grey suit.
You will get your wheat grass in the morning and the entire country of greatness will be destroyed. If you cant handle debate with FACTS that prove your case then WHY did you run for office? Why are you in Congress if you cant defend your position. And I cant wait until the American people stop thinking PARTY like FOOLS and start thinking quality. Quality people are not actors or good performers they
are people with facts.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

“And you will then be a surf told what to eat what to wear and how to show up with your grey suit. ”
That would be hilarious if wasn’t so true..
Don’t forget what to drive, where to go school, and what to keep your heater/air conditioner set at.

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

I think the Blue Dog Democrates better think twice before following Reid! I mean it’s really an oxymoron putting the words follow and reid together in the first place!!!!! 2010 and 2012 I can hardly wait for the insanity to end!

Posted by: lovingpolitics | October 27, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

ChicagoBob
Tort Reform ideas are good. The GOP has to learn to negotiate in good faith. The GOP still voted against bills in which their own amendments were added. Moreover, we have tried some tort reform here in TX but we still have some of the highest healthcare costs.
Also, we can’t address big issues with a ‘whack-a-mole’ approach of focusing on symptoms. Having a self-sustaining public option will add competition in the marketplace. Over 90% of US health insurance market is basically run by monopolies. Public option in addition to eliminating antitrust exemption will certainly help.
On the issue of doctors practicing, it has been proven that the ‘pay for service’ model is a problem. If doctors paid paid salaries, then they can focus of the best outcomes instead of the number of services they can profit from. Check out results at Mayo Clinic and compare with other similar organizations.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Harry Reid comes across as either a pervert or a used car salesman; and this is the Democrat’s senior leader in the US Senate? What a joke. Are you people in Nevada crazy? Why would you ever vote in this jerk? He even states yesterday that “the people do not want the public objection”..but he is putting it in anyway..he is sticking his middle finger up to the American citizens and we are just supposed to take it? People of Nevada, do the Unted States a huge favor and vote this jerk out next year.

Posted by: Peter King | October 27, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Dave
You are mistaken. I have lived in other parts of the world – Europe, Africa.
The myth of British NHS problems, which you stated are untrue. I agree that some improvements may be needed but you cannot compare the issues we are having in the US with whatever issues you think the NHS has.
Moreover, I would rather have a family member wait for an hour or so and get treatment than the person denied care and die due to lack of affordable insurance.
Do you have any idea what uninsured people go through?

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

“Having a self-sustaining public option will add competition in the marketplace.”
Do you actually believe this or are you just trying to sound ridiculous on purpose?
Who or what do you think can compete with the gov’t? It doesn’t have to show a profit or be efficient in any way shape or form because it is not beholden to anyone. If the money runs out they simply raise our taxes.

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

When in the history of the US government has “bipartisanship” occured to decided major national issues?
Like, never?
Suggesting that the majority of Republicans are interested in coming together toward social responsibility on heathcare is ridiculous.
This is nothing but a forum for the
conservative base that have little depth of understanding on any national issue, never mind health and medicine.
So the reason the conservative base “debate” changes quickly, and the argument circular, is that the depth of knowledge is limited and the simple lack of reasoning…as in the [very false]assumption that the healthcare crisis is due to illegal aliens.
Critical thinking is not stressed in the U.S. primary and secondary education. Compound that in the red states- where poverty and the push for fundamentalist, creationist ideas dispel reason and rationalization.
Dave’s not the only poor sod who watches Fox and listens to conservative radio to learn Republican “reality”:
If you’re not versed enough in a topic, or trying to hide the truth, just call names or yell louder.

Posted by: Father John | October 27, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am

The main question of HCR:
Why should a US citizen and Taxpayer not have access to the same type of health insurance that US congress men and women have?
I propose that any member of congress that votes against HCR should give up their own health insurance, which is a public option. They should shop for health insurance like we do.
Or are we in Charles Dickens’ Animal House? – ‘All are equal but some are more equal than others’

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am

How can you say the “myths are untrue” regarding britain’s healthcare system to someone like me who has lived in britain and experienced the horrors of free healthcare first hand?
You do realize that almost 90% of all Americans are currently covered with insurance. The LIE that liberals love to throw around of 47 million is bogus.
We need to come up with a solution to assist those who are TRYING to get coverage and can’t through no fault of their own. But your willingness to turn everything over to barney frank and nancy pelosi is astounding.
They could not even run “Cash for Clunkers” effectively and you want to turn our HEALTHCARE over to them?

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am

“We need to come up with a solution to assist those who are TRYING to get coverage and can’t through no fault of their own.” Dave
You are right. I agree with this objective. But what ideas has the GOP proposed to achieve this? One may not be 100% happy with what the DEMs are proposing but what are the counter proposals? All I have heard so far is Tax Cut to buy insurance from the same companies that are gouging people.
Like I stated ealier Tort Reform has not yielded positive results in TX.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am

IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE “KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL” WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Posted by: New Wave | Oct 27, 2009 11:58:58 AM
“Like I stated ealier Tort Reform has not yielded positive results in TX.” I live in Texas and I think an increase of over 16% in the # of doctors and doctors in counties that never had doctors a fairly significant improvment. How about a 30% reduction in mal practice insurance? Both of these after the tort reforms.

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Father John
Thank you for once again displaying true liberal “open-mindedness” by calling me a “poor sod”.
Because I don’t want the gov’t running my life more then they already do I am an idiot?
Governments in ukraine, italy, china, germany, russia, cambodia, vietnam, have been responsible for the murder/mismanagement of ATLEAST 250 million people since socialism and communism first took the stage almost 100 years ago. And yet somehow, liberals are convinced that capitalism is flawed and that we need to emulate the others. Riiiight.

Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Reid acts like he is a mini president. Let the health care pass as long as the congres and senate have to use the same program they are making us use. Otherwise vote them all out and put in fresh thinkers.

Posted by: Jim Rod | October 27, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

deanbob
I know about the numbers you listed.
Tort Reform is being suggested here as a solution to rising health care costs. TX still have some of the highest health care costs per capita in the country.

Posted by: New Wave | October 27, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

This should put a cattle prod in your butt.
Barney Frank: “We Are Trying On Every Front To Increase The Role Of Government”
OMG what is wrong with these people. Cant we impeach these congressmen and senators?

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

New Wave | Oct 27, 2009 12:11:18 PM
….and we have one of the higher numbers of illegal immigrants. We need mandatory E-Verify for all employers.

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

ChicagoBob | Oct 27, 2009 12:15:07 PM
…I think Barney things they are smarter than our founding fathers.

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

ChicagoBob Tort Reform ideas are good. The GOP has to learn to negotiate in good faith. >>>>>> Thats a joke GOOD Faith When Obama is talking about a BILL that doesnt exist? And the congress is talking about what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Also, we can’t address big issues with a ‘whack-a-mole’ approach of focusing on symptoms. New Wave>>>>>>> Foolish statement. The government is capable of doing this. They are too full of KICKBACKS and collusion. You think things will get any better after this? You need to grow UP. The close minded view that government is the only one that can do things best. Its crazye.
Medicare? 37,000,000,000,000 out of balance. Thats 37 TRILLION if you cant count that high. Social Security a Disaster. BROKE and BROKEN. I lived through the great society and watch the government DESTROY thousands of families with fairness. ENOUGH of the BS. Where is the word REPLACE in the word REFORM? FOOLS

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Where is the OPEN Government? Where is a Senator CBO SCORE of the current BILL with all the PORK added on? The congress is dangerous and foolish. The president is actually impotent or wanting socialism. That is foolish if he does.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

ChicagoBob | Oct 27, 2009 12:22:03 PM…..I’m sure you know Unfunded Medicare is more than $73T.

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

….and we have one of the higher numbers of illegal immigrants. We need mandatory E-Verify for all employers. deanbob >>>> I have a NEW stimulus idea. Call it the illegal BOUNTY stimulus. We DUMP the anchor baby LAW tomorrow. Then we use some stimulus as bounties for illegals. Every illegal that is caught is sent to a third world nation via an army transport. We dont send them back to the country of origin we send them to Africa or some country we can make a deal with. 1 Bag of rice one new illegal immigrant. When the others hear of this there will be a exodus and this problem will solve itself. ENOUGH of our borders being porous. Predator drones on the border and laser fences on the land.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

ChicagoBob | Oct 27, 2009 12:22:03 PM…..I’m sure you know Unfunded Medicare is more than $73T. deanbob
>>> WOW last I read it was 37 trillion.
Or maybe I am dyslexic? 73 Trillion? OMG

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

We cannot AFFORD this bill —- regardless of the provisions!! — You freebie-lovers — dont bankrupt the country with your greed!!!! — We need to STOP spending, not find another way to get a bill passed that will doom us!!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | October 27, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Reid is a nut job,he wants to increase medicaid payments to Neveda,Florida,and New York,but not other states,but he wants us all to pay for it. Now he wants to cut medicare for a public option,allow states to opt out,and still does not know how it will be paid for.Then keep the bill from Tax Payer scrutiny,before it is vored on. What else is he hiding? Bonuses,Pork projects,what?

Posted by: strikerF | October 27, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

ChicagoBob | Oct 27, 2009 12:45:29 PM……per the USDEBTCLOCK….$73.438T….Either number is very serious. How is all of our debt going to be repaid?

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Liberals are fools!!! — Why pile another entitlement program on top of the other BANKRUPT plans!!! — NO forward thinking here by the Dems, just gimme-gimme-gimme!!!! — Do ANY of you already realize the financial catasthrophe the is one to two years away already??? — And the Dems want to ADD to it!!!! — Incredible incompetence!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | October 27, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

The plan is CR@P!!! — Whenever you have to figure TEN years of revenue to cover 5-6 years of cost in order to come out “deficit neutral” — you’ve got a credibility problem!!!! — This will BANKRUPT an already BANKRUPT nation!!! — We are in deep doo-doo, folks!! — Start stocking up on food and ammunition!!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | October 27, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Because I don’t want the gov’t running my life more then they already do I am an idiot?
Posted by: Dave | Oct 27, 2009 12:08:12 PM
__________________________
yes. and no.
What you don’t know when you state such overgeneralization, is the missing portions of your argument. WHO is really controlling your life?
Our democracy is held to standards and guidelines, as in the U.S. Constitution.
So, of course huge unregulated Capitalists [corporations] do not want to be held accountable–they want to keep taking your money and making decisions for You, like charging any price they decide (Private Insurers raised their profits by ~400% over the last 7 years), taking U.S. industry overseas for their own huge profits at the expense of generating our own. These are the parties influencing the the conservative ideology. Privatizing government run agencies is what your conservatives have been doing in government during the BushII years. Why? to make lots of money for themselves and other private megacorporations. Government contractors, some associated with D. Cheney used the Iraq war to make millions. So of course they don’t want to decrease their huge profit margin.
Dave, your understanding is limited, that’s all. I’m sure you have plenty of answers. However, it’s the questions that are important.

Posted by: Father John | October 27, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

The current president is too busy golfing to know whats going on! They made so much fun of Bush? LOL now what are they going to say and I am no Bush fan but when he cant decide what to do with our troop request and golfs a lot. Doesnt bother to even have a proposal to talk about with Health Care yet runs around talking like a BILL exists. Then he wants to control the PRESS? If Bush PULLED this stunt you would hear calls for impeachment from every MAJOR news outlet. Are you starting to feel the BOOT on your throats yet folks?

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

republicans should be ashamed of themselves. they spend 8 years running the country into the ground, then expect obama to fix it quickly. when obama tries to fix things, they block his efforts. then they say he got nothing done, and use that as a talking point, even while they block his efforts. then after that, they say it’s good that he failed. when asked about their logic, they mumble something about socialism/unamerican-ness, which somehow manages to convince a large portion of the nation.
it’s ridiculous.

Posted by: h. mitchell | October 27, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

republicans should be ashamed of themselves. they spend 8 years running the country into the ground, then expect obama to fix it quickly. when obama tries to fix things, they block his efforts. then they say he got nothing done, and use that as a talking point, even while they block his efforts. then after that, they say it’s good that he failed. when asked about their logic, they mumble something about socialism/unamerican-ness, which somehow manages to convince a large portion of the nation.
it’s ridiculous.

Posted by: h. mitchell | October 27, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

h. mitchell —- Uh, Democrats (Blue Dogs) are blocking Democrats. They don’t need the GOP. They got one vote and can now call this legislation(whichever of the 5 they pick)bi-partisan. If the Dems pass this, I would guess they will not do well in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: lfrichar | October 27, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Father John
So, of course huge unregulated Capitalists [corporations] do not want to be held accountable>>>>>
What a 1/2 truth. They live and play within the rules they are given. The fact is no one opposes FIXING the current system.
Whats the percentage of profit for health care providers? 2 or 3%.
As one on the other side the argument was always in how to fix it and totally against creating another HUGE government program.
Why create this program if you have not tried to FIX the current problems ??
>>>>> Father John
Why? to make lots of money for themselves and other private megacorporations. >>>>>> Which should be broken up under the monopoly clauses but since Microsoft what is the federal government doing? In other words we have LOTS of laws all being ignored. Like the Constitution.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 27, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

h. mitchell —- Did you even read the GOP bill?

Posted by: lfrichar | October 27, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

He’s telling most common sense democrats jump off the cliff and support this massive government undertaking….we are desperate and we need to get this through or the white house will be mad…well do it man …I will be leading the charge as a democrat to through your butts out…the majority of people don’t want it listen to them..if not you peril….beside congress should not be a lap dog for the president…support it and lose plain and simple

Posted by: phillysmart | October 27, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

ChicagoBob— I agree. Fix the current fraud and cost issues and then reform a leaner system. I pose this question often and have never received a respose, “We pay 50% more health care cost per person than any other country, how is a government subsidized insurance company going to affect actual “health care costs?” As those cost continue to go unchecked, either the government will have to raise premiums or subsidize more which raises the deficit. Deficit neutral with a price tag of $1 trillion just does not pass any math or common sense test to me.

Posted by: lfrichar | October 27, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

These people are socialist dictating what is good for us…resist them they want to control your money ,, your mind and your children…vote em out

Posted by: phillysmart | October 27, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

This legislation is 100% unconstitutional. The Constitution lists 17 enumerated powers which belomg to the federal government and this legislation does not fall under any of them/ This is an area delegated to the individual states unless Congress amends the Constitution via the provisions of Article 5 of the Constitution.

Posted by: Sandcrab1612 | October 27, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

The dying Republican Party has come to the conclusion that their only way of surviving this death Spiral they’re in thanks to Bushonomics and his Cowboy Diplomacy is to do anything and everything to make Obama Fail! Obama Must not succeed in Anything! Not the Olympics, Health Care, Iraq, Afghanistan, Global Warming, NOTHING! Even if it meeds the USA goes down as well! Why? Because they’re GREAT AMERICANS!!!!

Posted by: ObamaMustFail!!!!!! | October 27, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Posted by: Jeff
This is bad legislation pure and simple. All the lipstick in the world won’t make this pig any prettier.” HEY! Leave Sarah Quitter out of this!!!

Posted by: MyFavoritePig | October 27, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

The media is either blind or in the bag for the Republicans if they cannot understand the months spent dealing with Republicans (who were clearly acting in bad faith) for a bipartisan solution to health care reform. It is perfectly reasonable for Democrats to cut the GOP loose. After all, every Republican save Olympia Snowe had already done it for them.

Posted by: matt | October 27, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

what the people need to do is stop blaming our presidents. put blame where it truly lies. the senators and congressman are who run this country. the president more or less is just a figure head, he has limited powers. why is it the president can only serve 2 terms? and these other people who make our laws can go into office in their 30′s and retire or die in office well into their 70′s or 80′s. us the people need to have people in congress or house of representive be only allowed to serve 2 or 3 terms in office. our representives in washington do and is not serving the every day american people needs. they get into office and dance to their own music. we the people need to start a petition allowing only 2 terms no more then 3 terms for these people to be in office. we need fresher thoughs and minds in office. where they are interested in making america a better place for all not just a few. this has got to stop. rise up people and put them all out of a job. lets get this petition started and send it to them to let them know we mean business.

Posted by: linda b. | October 27, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

Reid better enjoy it now.. next year he will be applying to McDonalds for a job
lmao

Posted by: mickey maoist | October 27, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

R U CRIUS ?

Posted by: deanbob | October 27, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Uhhh…Dem’s Bad…Republicans Good!
Uhhh…Republicans Bad…Dem’s Good!
There, both sides can agree on something!
America…congratulations…your level of Civic knowledge has sunk to a new low.
Your level of controlling the representatives YOU vote in has sunk to a new low.
Your level of understanding exactly what the hell ois going on has sunk to a new low.
Socialism…it’s not just for breakfast anymore!

Posted by: Mark | October 27, 2009, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

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