Drum Roll … House Health Care Bill To Be Unveiled Tomorrow

Nothing new here, she’s just been forced to a bit more moderate (and expensive, since moderate is code word for “pandering to the status quo industry lobbyists”) public option. It’s going on 10 months now, but that’s how Congress has always worked I guess.

If it has the public option, everybody knows it is Dead on arrival.
Why won’t the dems concentrate on cost instead of trying for bigger inefficient government plans? They could get a lot of independents on board for sure. Republicans would have to go along. If only the loony left would think more rationally……

If a bill covering 35 to 36 million people costs 900 billion, how much is it going to cost when the private companies pull out and there are 330 million on the government plan? Senate and Congress are giving them a specific number to cover, which is a very LOW estimation. The CBO is giving a cost on THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER. SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

“If it has the public option, everybody knows it is Dead on arrival.
Why won’t the dems concentrate on cost”
jonny | Oct 28, 2009 3:04:17 PM
The public option is likely to have the largest impact on bringing down costs or ‘bending the cost curve.’ The only reason it is difficult to get into law is the $2-$3 trillion a year health care industry is fighting against it tooth and nail – the costs it would bring down pad their payrolls and profits.

George, why do I have to get the news from Yahoo instead of a news station. The big boys now say they are against the public option which includes GE, Wal Mart and Verizon as well as the Chamber of Commerce all saying the public option is too expensive. That must be a big blow to Obama who bailed out GE with billions of dollars of tarp money.

Senate and Congress are giving them a specific number to cover, which is a very LOW estimation. The CBO is giving a cost on THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER. SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
wheresmymoney | Oct 28, 2009 3:07:30 PM
That is a lie. The CBO is basing their number upon the legislation.
If the private companies pull out, then the public option will be far more economical. It is not free and would benefit from the huge influx of high rate paying customers (and the private insurance companies have done very well at selecting to insure the least expensive to actually cover segment of our population).
Your argument isn’t smoke and mirrors, it is just more lies.

jhw539 — I don’t know what you pay now, but have you seen any numbers at all for the cost of this government insurance company? They continuously boast they will be cheaper, well show us. You appear to have much confidence in our government, but I have worked for our government for over 20 years. I cannot show the same confidence.

jhw539
remind us all of an example of the govt bringing down costs on anything?

Altogether it is Rahm Bill.

funny my insurance i just picked out for next year went down 100.00 dollars no change in premiums or deductible i love it so no not all insurance companys are bad i have a family plan its great also i have never had a problem with any insurance company in my lifetime lets just say im a 1/2 century old and going strong

Botox pelosi’s bill for government-run heathcare is SO SCARY, it should be released on Halloween.
Please, DO NOT let your children look at it – they will have nightmares of massive government deficits that THEY will have to pay for for their entire life.

“The total cost is about $900 billion. The Congressional Budget Office is still crunching the numbers, a final number is expected tonight.”
Where are we getting the money to pay for this? Everyone knows the government doesn’t save their way to pay for new projects.

you just dont know how to play the game back

remind us all of an example of the govt bringing down costs on anything?
jonec1200 | Oct 28, 2009 4:15:58 PM
The internet, car travel, electricity (via everything from Hoover Dam to accepting full liability for nuclear waste disposal), education (public universities are cheaper than private and often rival them in quality), the USPS (amazingly cheaper and quicker than any other first world nation, even including more compact countries like Japan), etc.
In my opinion, the government the Founding Fathers created is the best in the world. I have no doubt it can do as good a job as France, Switzerland, or even Italy on health care.

The total cost minus another $250 BILLION democrats are trying to put in a separate bill as a stealth TRILLION DOLLAR plan that will bankrupt the United States and make our dollar worthless. When that happens, the price of oil in comparison to the dollar will skyrocket. You people wanted to turn the nation over to tax and spend democrats for “change”, you are getting exactly what you deserve. Enjoy the next decade of poverty and food stamps.

The fact is that the profit margin for most insurance companies is less than most industries. Insurance premiums are actuarially determined but to put into simple terms it is cost (health care claims) + expenses (cost of runnng the company) + profit, usually under 5%. The problem is really the cost of health care. If we don’t find a way to bring the costs down, the premiums will not be sufficient. One BIG cause of the high cost is the transfer of costs from the government programs of Medicare and Medicaid to the private sector. When Medicare only pays $30 for a $100 procedure, others have to pay $170 to make up the difference. Another cause is our legal system. I have no problem with someone suing and collecting for a doctor’s negligence, but the amount should relate to the actual damages AND should be for real negligence. You shouldn’t sue if a known and disclosed risk actually happens or if the doctor didn’t order 100 tests when you went in for a cold and really had some off the wall disease. We should also have higher deductibles so health insurance goes back to being just that – insurance for the unexpected. It shouldn’t cover routine costs just the same way your car insurance doesn’t pay to change the oil in your engine.

The Democrats would lead you to believe that the health insurance industry was making massive profits. They don’t. They make 2-3% which is horrid compared to the other American industries. The Democrats are lying through their teeth and they don’t seem to care that a majority of the US population is AGAINST health care reform.

jason b right on target

59% of the those who were asked, is not 59% of the American population.
A great number of people do not have computers, do not have medical coverage, whose employers do not provide health care insurance, or are without jobs, or do not work for the financial corporations or the health insurance industry are for health care reform and the public option. But they are never asked.
Not everyone was polled. I was never polled. I am for health care reform and the public option. My number is not included. Nor are many others who were never polled.
And since the republicans always have access while the rest of us do not until the census comes around once every ten years.
So for the poll It can never be regarded as 59% of the American population, but only as 59% of those who were asked!
Big Difference.

Even if US becomes a slave to CHINA, we should get this health care bill done…

I love the guy who worked for the government for 20 years and has no confidence. Well then why did you work for them for 20 years? What a dunce.
The poster who gives the long painful analogy of the government forcing us to have Bibles. What a dork.
You two are great examples of why our country sucks right now. You are too lazy to be intellectually honest with yourself. You make apples to oranges comparisons and complain about people complaining. Sorry to resort to name calling but you ought to be embarrassed at your stupidity.
Every government that mandates their citizens buy insurance has a “robust” public option. It sounds like this bill will get us closer to that. If the public option is strong enough I dont mind the mandate.
And for the republican posters here, let’s try to have honest debate, this is not FOX News.

I want to know who is paying the other part of the cost, and why this is only going after the insurance companies, which are only part of the problem.

Create more competition in what we have, and don’t re-invent the wheel. 85% of us like what we have.
We need more competition for example:
1. Allow us to buy insurance accross state lines.
2. Pay the same for drugs as the rest of the world.
3. Have doctors compete for patients and determine what the cost will be competitively like everything else in the world instead of some insurance company five states away setting the price.
I’m sure their are many more

The bill hasn’t even been seen yet and neo-cons here are quoting poll numbers against it, yeah, sure, pull the other one cons.

I would rather a good bill fail than have a bad one pass. I say wait until after the 2010 elections to send more republicans and yellow dogs packing. Then we go single payer.

Competition is good —
Anyone who thinks its not is a fool!!!
That the GOP trolls have convinced
A portion of their dumbed down Electorate
To reject a Public option,
(A position That would benefit only the Insurance carriers),By using code words like Socialism,
Is Proof Our State Run Socialist School
System is in need of overhaul!!
The GOP fought Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Seat belts in Cars–
Now they want to defeat the Public option- So their Corporate Masters can keep up their Congressional/Senatorial money laundering.
GOP
Got Our Payola?
I wouldn’t trust those Obstructionist Snake oil Salesmen to do anything that would benefit average Americans?
May they all drive off into the sunset on Palin’s Bridge to nowhere!!!

nospin 1600 sheeple.the CBO has determined the country will save 505 billion dollars if a reform package is passed with a strong option. That is more than half the cost of the health care reform bill. Can you explain how a public option will work? Why you are against it? Deficits do not matter. America has been running unsustainable deficits since before Washington became our first president. Some where donw the road the numbers will be massaged and poof, the deficit will turn into a surplus. Like when Reagan took office and inflation was @ 22%. Within a year he had wittled it down to a more manageable 11%. He authjorized a research committee, with a CZAR, oooh, scary, and here is whow Reagans CZAR, oooh, CZAR, slashed inflation by almost 50% in one year. They took the cost of fuel and food out of the inflation equation. Poof, no more inflation.
Money used to be measured as M1, M2, M3.
These means of determinging deficit spending were driving the potential deficits way to high. Poof, when was the last time you heard the terms M2, M2, M3, when hearing from the Federal Reserve? Problem solved. So if you spend 900 billion for reform and a strong option. As the CBO claims will save 505 billion. Put in a strong option whic will generate 400 billion in revenues. Drive down the cost of health care. Poof, a deficit neutral health care sytem as promised. I know, I know, who wants the government to run anything? Medicare recipients that were frotunate enough to become disabled under theb SSDI laws. Or the lucky ones who lived with liver disease, or lung disease until they turned 65. Just in time for the mother lode of adverse risk, Medicare could pay for their costly final yeras? Your writing indicates you haven’t a clue and that your head is well, I won’t say anyhting more.
SECREG_756

Jonec:
I guess you are missing the point, Dejablue can afford to pay 100 a month for insurance, much less 300-400 a month for insurance. The argument that it will give her a tax break is not realistic as I sersiously doubt she pays much in taxes anyway and not anywhere close to paying for health insurance. As it stands right now, she probably couldn’t write off any payments for health insurance because she probably doesn’t itemize and even if she did she would have to deduct 7.5% of her agi first. This is ridiculous–my god another federal program and federal departments. The closest thing to enternal life is another social program–we will never be able to get rid of this if it doesn’t work–God help us all if it doesn’t.

I can’t wait for a dem bill to pass – I work for the payors, and we are going to make the big bucks regardless of which way they go with this. Public option will be rejected by the States (like real id was by enough to kill it too – as that was just a “national idea with a state option to opt out”… Then the Dems that voted this in for that State will get hammered if the State is penalized by Washington on Medicaid payment withdraws… Oh – and then when the Republicans come in – they will open the payments back up to the States – and put the opt-out back in full force – cancelling this plan. But – because of the rules of this bill – the citizens are FORCED to spend another 1500 – 3500/year on insurance if they don’t have it – and that gives us another 40,000,000 mandated customers to get signed up and paying us while the Govt takes years and years to fight over how they want to implement.
If the non-public option passes – then the rule forcing the 40,000,000 to buy insurance still stands – and we make BIG bucks there too!
And no where in the bill does it cut costs – or restrict what is charged to the citizen. Just who charges it.
Smoke and mirrors – and the sheeple are buying it… and it is going to make big bucks for my family at least!

And you came up with…… drum roll…… NOTHING.

As a Mom – I want to know when the Congress is going to stop playing around on this silly bill, and start focusing on protecting our son’s and daughters in Afghanistan. They need more help over there. Either force all of these politicians to send THEIR kids over there to sit in our soldier’s tent cities until they get on the ball – or force them to take action – NOW!

Anything the Botox queen rolls out will be totally unacceptable. This woman is a nut and nobody in their right mind will listen to her.

Mr. secreg756: You answered nothing because you know nothing. Nowhere in 5000 pages of combined garbage can you point out what any of this will cover. I know I looked. It’s just a ploy to get to single payor. You say it will be the same you don’t know. The most important part of your response was “One flaw. You will be rtaed based on your health. Waiting until you get sick will drive your premiums up through the roof. And for gaming the system, you would deserve it.” That is so funny, so what you are saying is
all that rhetoric about me going bankrupt just because I get sick won’t change??? Guess not and neither will anything else, except if this piece of socialist trash makes it through it will fail and then we end up with the UK version of healthcare. I can’t wait. What a scam.

We get what we deserve, this country and the entitlement mentality has been crushing this nation since FDR. Probably before that but I have yet to become a perfect student of history. I do know economics though… This is a joke. Good day all!

Sorry Stickman. . . I have to buy insurance according to big brother or I will be penalized. Now, who do you think is making out on this plan. . . ding ding ding–the insurance companies. LMAO– the democrats demonize the insurance companies and then turn around and give them a guaranty that millions of people will now have to buy insurance.

Why does this have to be so complicated.
Outlaw health insurance.
One reason healthcare (more accurately illness care) costs are so high is the need for insurance companies to boost cash-flow. The more money flowing through the system, the more can stick to the fingers of the corporate officers.

Give up the idea of single-payer. It will never happen in this country – never.
The problem with all of this is that Obama was elected by the crossover of Independents and the large amounts of under 30′s that voted for him. Now the independents are not that happy with Obama as he drives us into bankruptcy – and the under 30′s stay with him as before.
So the under 30′s want single payer because ..
1.) They probably have not gotten sick yet.
2.) They don’t understand the concept of the USA going broke.
Everyone wants reform, but we don’t want to learn Mandarin Chinese. So most of us know we have to compromise.
The big mouths in Congress (Pelosi and Reid) keep dropping bombshells that their colleagues won’t support. If they don’t stop it and realize that their support is waning – they could blow health care reform altogether.
To blow health reform totally is the biggest risk and will be the biggest tragedy. Perhaps a little wisdom might tell them that they can start smaller and expand it in the future as things take hold. But jumping into the cold water is not the best way to drum up support.

RDH–yes it is the evil insurance companies that are causing the costs to go up; it has nothing to do with the lawsuits, all of the people who do not have health insurance not paying their bills; illegals getting care and not paying. This comes from a lawyer by the way. The dirty little secret is Obama was right illegals won’t be covered under the plan but he will make them all legal after the midterm elections

I cannot afford to pay for a policy even a state one. I think its not fair they are mandating it and making a penalty for not having it. I am on unemployment and going to college full time. Thats just crazy!!! I have a feeling if we the people could vote on it it wouldnt pass. too many flaws

And I voted for Obama, However Pelosi, Dodd,Read and some others are what is wrong with Congress and DC. This Bill wont pass especially with the public option. They make the Dem party look like a bunch of snobby self serving idiots. Im still pleased with Obama except he seems to want to clean everyone elses house but never addresses the problems in his own. With Pelosi and Read involved I wouldn’t want any thing they have their lying little crooked hands on.

What I would like to see presented…..the resignation and surrender to face charges of TREASON ,,,ALL members of BOTH parties,,,,this health care bill is a scam to defraud the people,,,,they have not even touched why health care is so expensive,,,it ALL boils down to just plain old GREED,,,,,they ALL charge too much for their services.Cut waste and fraud from the government ,,,,outlaw the deadly LOBBY DOLLAR that threatens our existence,,,,this so called health care bill is being written and paid for by the lobby for ALL ends of the health care system. It is NOT being written to protect or benefit the people,,,,,WE ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED on this matter by EITHER party.

…and if you don’t pay the fine for not having insurance? What happens then?
Can I please read the bill? Where is it and why can’t the people subject to this baloney read it?
Gotta love our crooks in congress.

I’m amazed and appalled by Republicans and other conservatives of the same ilk, who criticize any health care plan the Democrats have, and everyone acknowledges our healthcare system is inadequate today, yet NO REPUBLICANS ever had healthcare (or any version of a plan) at the top of their agenda while they were in power both in the executive office (BUSH) or the legislative office (CONGRESS) when they were in the majority. To them it was about war and terrorism–damn anything else. Why are they now being obstructionist in every possible way!?! What’s worse they are playing politics with something so important that it literally does come down to who lives or dies, by how the insurance companies decide to dole out coverage for some people for some medical expenses, but not always. STOP playing politics Republican nitwits!

Well, we’ve now seen the Senate bill, we’ll see the House bill tomorrow. Gee, I wonder how they compare to the White House legislative proposal…oh, wait…that’s right, there wasn’t ever a White House health care proposal. I guess that’s leadership.

ew! i don’t want that nasty health care bill. i have anxiety thinking that my parents aren’t going to get the quality health care they’ll need should we go to socialized medicine. as rush limbaugh says, it’s not about health care but about control and power. i wish i could tear up that nasty bill but there’s too many pages.

Jobs, jobs and jobs. Nothing will get done in this country until American’s once again can participate in society by being productive and jobs make them productive. Everything else is a distant second. I can say this, if any additional financial pain like this healthcare monstrosity, cap & trade taxes, etc., are continually inflicted upon the American people who can barely put food on the table we will witness an internal force that we have yet to see in this Republic. No jobs = no tax revenue = devaluation = ????.
This is only my opinion but having been to this rodeo many times before, I already know the outcome.
We’ve sold our international distribution business to overseas licensee’s while we still can and moving to Karikari Peninsula in New Zealand.
I will come back to visit the United States when I begin to recognize her again but never to live. I’ve had it and I wont let the door hit me in the a%$ on the way out.
I’m so relieved that we made our money by working our tails off, making right choices and more importantly sharing the prosperity. Is it not ironic that I feel more freedom now knowing I’m moving out of the States than remaining for an undetermined future? I never in my wildest dreams thought I would say this in my life but with the Nation going in the direction it is, I thank God I made my bones and have the ability to say adios, so adios and I’m outta here.
Good luck America.

Nancy Pelosi and her husband own considerable service industry businesses. I wonder if they practice what they preach, do they provide health insurance coverage for 100 percent of their employees. I doubt it.

It sure is interesting how all these interests are dicing and slicing up OUR money and wanting to tell us how we’re going to live OUR lives.
My reaction is to tell them all to take a hike and to band together with local doctors and go back to old-fashioned medicine without insurance, government power-seekers and liars injecting themselves into my life.

“You’re getting this unwanted bill and you’re going to like it!!! You no longer have a choice see?” – In 2008 the President and most Democrats ran on a platform of health reform, including a public option. American made a choice. Now its the ideologues and corporations that are trying to thwart democracy.

This is not the best option for American citizens. If the Government continues to take and take and take from the “haves” to give to the “have nots” and the “moochers” there will soon be no one to take from. What then?? The majority is being penalized for the minority. In the past people took care of their own business. If someone wanted insurance they bought it or went to work for a company that offered it as a perk. The government has no right to force people to have insurance or to force companies to provide it.

I would like to read this bill – unlike our members of Congress, before the vote is taken.
I would also like to see legislation to prevent any bill from being voted on without it being read in the well of the Senate, and opened for Senate debate.
Also, I would like to see every piece of legislation stand on its own for the up or down vote. Putting bills on the back end of other legislation needs to be stopped. If the bill cannot stand on its own merit – then it needs to be sent back to committee, not tacked onto good legislation just to get it passed .
Also, I would like to see any legislation that costs the tax payers more than $ 500 Billion require a public vote. After all, we are the people that pay the bill – we should have the say so when expenditures are proposed of that magnitude.
Power to the people – Congress will never approve of that.

Health care has been over priced for a long time. I for one cant afford it. i make 500 a month so what do I do? My son is on disability and he is now in the so called gap. His meds run 350. a month leaves him nothing else to live on.l I hope they are doing away with that gap. The insurance companies should not have the right to say who can get coverage, or deny people, so hopefully the govt. can at least fix that problem.