Liberal Group Urges Obama Not to Cater to GOP’s Olympia Snowe on Public Option
Liberals are telling President Obama not to cater to Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine. My colleague, ABC News' Teddy Davis, has more: A liberal group launched a television ad and petition on Saturday pressuring President Obama on the public option. Watch it HERE: The new ad by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee will air at least 100 times in Maine, broadcast and cable, augmented by online fundraising at YesWeStillCan.org. The PCCC's prior Maine ad raised over $100,000 online. The PCCC is concerned about a report in Saturday's Washington Post which says that President Obama is "wary of alienating (Sen. Olympia) Snowe — the only Republican so far to support a Democratic health-care measure — and had already concluded that her plan for a 'trigger' that would create a public option if private insurers don't offer affordable rates represented a satisfactory compromise." The PCCC wants Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to press on with plans to persuade Senate Democrats to permit a health-care bill with an opt-out public plan to come to the floor, even if there is no guarantee that all 60 senators who caucus with Democrats would ultimately vote for it. The PCCC does not want the White House to cater to Snowe because she indicated earlier this week that she will join the 39 other Republican senators in blocking legislation that allows for the immediate creation of a government insurance plan — even if individual states are given the chance to opt out. Snowe favors a public option with a trigger. Under her plan, the public option would only come into effect in regions of the country where the private insurance industry does not make affordable coverage available in the wake of national health-care reform. The PCCC contends that there is majority support in the country, as well as in Snowe's home state of Maine, for the immediate creation of a public insurance option. Progressives worry that insurers will find ways around the trigger mechanism without actually bringing down the cost of coverage. Update: WH: Obama & Reid Are on Same Page re: Public Option; Liberal Group Doesn't Buy It The co-founder of a liberal group pushing for the public option is continuing to question President Obama's commitment to the issue despite a Sunday night effort on the part of the White House deputy communications director to beat back reports that the White House and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., are pursuing different strategies. "Here's what the White House needs to understand," writes Adam Green, the co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (P.C.C.C.), in a statement posted to OpenLeft.com and e-mailed to reporters. "Expressing a preference for the public option is not the same as fighting for the public option. Telling Harry Reid 'good luck with that' is not the same as the president saying, 'I am there helping Reid fight for those final votes.'" Green was responding to a Sunday night post to the official White House blog from deputy communications director Dan Pfeiffer. "A rumor is making the rounds that the White House and Senator Reid are pursuing different strategies on the public option. Those rumors are absolutely false," wrote Pfeiffer. The Washington Post reported on Saturday that President Obama is "wary of alienating" Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and had "already concluded that her plan for a 'trigger' represented a satisfactory compromise." The PCCC cited the Washington Post report on Saturday when it launched a new television ad in the state of Maine, urging President Obama not to cater to Snowe on the public option. The White House wants Snowe to vote for health-care legislation so they can characterize the final bill as bipartisan and provide political cover for moderate to conservative Democrats who vote for it. Snowe supports a public option with a trigger. She does not, however, support the immediate creation of a public option – even one which would give states the option of opting out of it. In addition to taking issue with Pfeiffer's statement, Green mocked a Wednesday, Oct. 21 speech that President Obama delivered to his campaign arm, Organizing for America. From Green: "Does this sound like President Obama fighting for the public option to you? From his speech to OFA last week — on Wed, Oct. 21:" He then quotes Obama saying the following:
Among Democrats and progressives, there are a whole set of views about how we should do health care. But understand that the bill that you least like in Congress right now. The one you least like, of the five that are out there, would provide 29 million Americans health care. 29 million Americans who don’t have it right now would get it. The bill you least like would prevent insurance companies from barring you from getting health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. Whatever the bill you least like would set up an exchange so that people right now who are having to try to bargain for health insurance on their own are suddenly part of a pool of millions that forces insurance companies to compete for their business and give them better deals and lower rates. So there are going to be some disagreements and details to work out. But to the Democrats – I want to say to you Democrats – let’s make sure we keep our eye on the prize. … Sometimes Democrats can be their own worst enemies. Democrats are an opinionated bunch. (laughter) After reproducing the president’s speech, Green writes: "Yay bill we least like! Yay insurance for 29 million people — by mandating they buy insurance from rip-off artists with no choice of a public option! Here is Pfeiffer's full statement on the White House blog: The Public Option: Rumor Check
Posted by Dan Pfeiffer on October 25, 2009 at 8:56 PM EDT A rumor is making the rounds that the White House and Senator Reid are pursuing different strategies on the public option. Those rumors are absolutely false. In his September 9th address to Congress, President Obama made clear that he supports the public option because it has the potential to play an essential role in holding insurance companies accountable through choice and competition. That continues to be the President's position. Senator Reid and his leadership team are now working to get the most effective bill possible approved by the Senate. President Obama completely supports their efforts and has full confidence they will succeed and continue the unprecedented progress that is being made in both the House and Senate. Dan Pfeiffer is Deputy Communications Director.
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Not only should it be a public option but it better be the robust public option because the people expect it. It better be strong and available to all that want it. The majority of this nation has had with health care insurance companies. They are tired of feeding a phony baloney republican created market.
Posted by: rightbehind | October 24, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
I imagine Snow will be done if Maine went for President Obama 58%. Maine obviously went democratic big time. Snow would be better off to abandon the republican ideology because the majority of the nation has.
Posted by: rightbehind | October 24, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
President Obama has track right at every single juncture, from national security to financial reform to foreign policy to health care. “Candidate” Obama has been replaced by the Machiavellian and status quo affirming mischief of Rahm Emanuel and old school politicking. The administration seems to believe the constituencies that got them elected are completely dispensable. There is growing anger, and worse, disengagement by those who now see his promises of “hope” and “change” as nothing more than cynical manipulation. Shame on them all.
Posted by: cameotoo | October 24, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Max Baucus is determined to set up a sweetheart deal for his insurance industry contributors. If the free-market is always best for everything, what fear do they have of competing with a supposedly inefficient federal insurance option? — saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
Posted by: Walt41 | October 24, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
I and my middle-class family have paid over $500,000 over the years in premiums for private health insurance. In the meantime, the CEOs of the top three private health insurance corporations were paid over $7,000,000 each last year alone. I want the option of not padding their wallets when I buy health insurance.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 24, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
rightbehind..you spelled snowe wrong. What is a robust option?
Posted by: jake | October 24, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Hopefully, we’ll get back to thinking about saving money and dropping the public option. The stupidity of some people knows no bounds.
Posted by: jonny | October 24, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
And you thought Bush was a bully… Jeez!
Posted by: jafo | October 24, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
you spelled snowe wrong.
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Didn’t capitalize Snowe yourself; should check your own grammar, if you are going to criticize.
Posted by: Thinking | October 24, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Only one out of four people is in support of health care reform according to USA Today/Gallup poll one week ago. This mean 80% of people are satisfied with the current system and 20% want change or reform.
Posted by: austin | October 24, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
What the insurance companies want is what Baucus is pushing. Insurance will be mandatory for everyone. Insurance companies will accept sick people but no restictions on premium amounts. Snowe is a GOP “spoiler/spy” She wants a “trigger”, but the trigger will never be pulled. These triggers have been used on other bills and there’s always loopholes around them.
Posted by: LeftBrain | October 24, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Public Option…? Quality of care will go south following all the “healthcare options” you may have had in the past. Get ready for the GOV to spell out and control your lack of care. Just go to the VA Hospitals and observe the endless paperwork and poor care. The GOV will ration your care under the disguise of “Quality Care Protocols”…developed by accountants not docs. I agree that we need significant reform but most of the reform needs to go against the insurance giants not the public. If this bill gets the passing vote, look for docs to opt out and be cash only and also go bare on malpractice insurance. Docs already spend hrs everyday doing stupid paperwork that improves nothing. There is a reason why people come to the US for healthcare.
Posted by: Axe to Grind | October 24, 2009, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
“There is a reason why people come to the US for healthcare.” – Yes, and the reason is because we offer the best care money can buy. But for the rest of us who cant afford skyrocketing premuiums, it stinks. Why do you think Americans have to go to third world countries to get procedures done that they cant afford to have done here? If you like your health plan, fine, but please dont try to deny me the option of getting public insurance.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 24, 2009, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Correction to the above comment – Replace last sentence with: If you like your insurance plan, fine, but please dont deny me the right to BUY public insurance.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 24, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Snowe is to the left of a few Democratic senators (who coincidentally get lots of insurance company money, like Lieberman). The Democrats aren’t pandering to the one Republican willing to contribute, they are pandering to the most conservative Democrats in order to get something passed.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 24, 2009, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Only one out of four people is in support of health care reform according to USA Today/Gallup poll one week ago. This mean 80% of people are satisfied with the current system and 20% want change or reform.
austin | Oct 24, 2009 5:00:36 PM
Does that pass as critical thinking on the Right Wing? That would explain a lot actually…
Posted by: jhw539 | October 24, 2009, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
What confused thinking. “Don’t deny me the option of buying public health care.”
Whats next, Don’t deny me the option of using other people’s money to pay for a prostitute?
We don’t want to spend our money for your health care.
Is that easier to understand?
Posted by: jonny | October 24, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Bipartisanship? They can’t even be ‘partisan’ in the Democrat party.
+++in other words+++
‘Bipartisanship? They don’t want no stinkin’ bipartisanship.’
Who is it that doesn’t want to play together???
GOP or Dems
I can’t tell anymore. Are the insurance companies on board or not? MDs on board on off? Big pharmaceutical companies make a deal with the white house or are they the enemy this week?
I can’t keep up with the white house or the Obama supporters. I bet that Yale professor in the early 90′s never though of that ‘compromise’ of the ‘public option’ right about now.
Posted by: David from WI | October 24, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
I meant to say.
I bet that Yale professor in the early 90′s wished he never though of that ‘compromise’ of the ‘public option’ right about now.
Oh I screwed up I better blame Bush… or the CIA.. or GOP…. or FOX news…. seniors…. or insurance companies.. or wall street… half of America …. the list grows daily.
Posted by: David from WI | October 24, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Oh I screwed up I better blame Bush… or the CIA.. or GOP…. or FOX news…. seniors…. or insurance companies.. or wall street… half of America …. the list grows daily.
Posted by: David from WI | Oct 24, 2009 7:44:02 PM
Funny post, David!! And how true it is. There’s always a good scapegoat.
You know, what I would really like to see is for someone, anyone, to step up and show the costs for research of, development of and implementation of new equipment, medication and procedures that have come about just in the last 10 years in the medical field. Premiums for insurance are based on how much it costs to insure you. The worse your health is, the more care you need. New technologies cost more. That means your care costs more. This administration cannot just continue to blame the insurance companies and brand them as “evil”. Do I agree that the CEO of an insurance company deserves the money he gets? Absolutely not. Do insurance companies take the wrong path at times? Absolutely. But who’s to say the same problems WON’T come up through government insurance? Obama and his team can go after insurance companies and look like heroes. They can offer policies that seem perfect. But what happens if government healthcare fails? Who will call THEM out? Who will be able to reverse it? How much MORE in debt will we be by then?
If he can take as much time as he has to make a plan for Afghanistan, then he can take time on this.
Posted by: Shoe | October 24, 2009, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
The way to reform health care in America is to pass laws that deal with each of the concerns. For example, all insurance providers must group all citizens into the same group and provide coverage in all states at the same rate for the same coverage. If they can not or will not, then they can not sell health insurance anywhere in the U.S. That way there will be compitition in all states. Pre-existing conditions would have to be covered. No exceptions for accepting pre-existing conditions as some in congress are suggesting. Cover all pre-existing conditions.
Do this kind of bill with each of the concerns about health care and you do not need a public option. If you have only one group, even if it is non-profit, cover all pre-existing conditions then the cost to the government will be enormous and taxes will have to be raised on everyone, but if they had to be covered by all insurers, then the greater number of clients would lower the premiums.
If congress passes a public option as planned, I, who have been a lifelong democrat will become an independent and campaign against everyone in the present congress because of total stupidity of both parties.
Posted by: Paul from Texas | October 24, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
“But who’s to say the same problems WON’T come up through government insurance?”
Shoe | Oct 24, 2009 8:27:32 PM
The public option will be OPTIONAL. If it sucks more than private insurance or costs more (and subsidies go to the person to be spent on private or public insurance – not to the public option) then it will go out of business. Just like the USPS has been shut down by UPS, or NSFNet (ARPAnet/Internet) was shut down by Compuserve, right?
Posted by: jhw539 | October 24, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Going to be interesting to see the opt out of the public option. What texas decides to opt out and still pays for california. What you going to only give states back money collected via income tax for their states. So all the rich states opt out and all the poor states opt in… sure that will work.
More I think about the better I like it. Make sure I live and work in a opt out state keep more of my money and carry no insurance. If I get sick hop a plane to the state with the best coverage and sign up since I cannot be refused.
Posted by: jan-o | October 24, 2009, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Want insurance? GET A JOB!!!!! Quit being a freeloader! Take car of yourself. The government isn’t going to no matter what they tell you.
Posted by: Rick | October 24, 2009, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
“Want insurance? GET A JOB!!!!! Quit being a freeloader!” – I do have a job and I figured out the other day that I have paid private insurance companies over $500,000 over my working lifetime for coverage for myself and my family. All I want is the option to buy it from the government than from the corporate CEOs who are making millions off you and I. Now…who is the “freeloader”?
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 24, 2009, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
“We don’t want to spend our money for your health care. Is that easier to understand?” – No problem. Keep your money. But dont try to stand in the way of me spending MY money on a public option. Understand that?
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 24, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
the last thing I want is pelosi/reed health care. I am personally responsible for myself thank you regardless of my situation and the majority of the country agrees with me. End of discussion. Let’s move on and fix the economy and job loss.
Posted by: leon | October 24, 2009, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
“texas decides to opt out and still pays for california. What you going to only give states back money collected via income tax for their states. So all the rich states opt out and all the poor states opt in… sure that will work.”
jan-o | Oct 24, 2009 9:07:26 PM
You don’t understand what ‘opt out’ means do you? The revenue stream to support the health care reform is NOT income taxes; it is well defined in the proposed bills and yes, it would be easy not to collect it on a state by state basis.
And I would guess you’re one of those proud, independent red staters – who lives in a state that sops off the blue states for federal tax dollars. Texas is actually about the only red state that pays as much in Federal taxes as it gets back. Blue states like CA, NY, NJ, CT, etc are supporting the red states (CA is a basket case internally, but it’s high tech, high profit industries pump more money to the feds than the state ever gets back). But that’s just, you know, documented reality.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 25, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
“the last thing I want is pelosi/reed health care…Let’s move on and fix the economy and job loss.” – I take it that, unlike millions of Americans, you have health insurance? Anyway, health reform will help with the job situation. Universal healthcare will create lots of jobs for physician assistants, registered nurses, licensed practical nurses, certified nursing assistants, various techs and other support personnel. These are good paying, secure positions. Since health reform doesn’t fully kick in until 2013 that is plenty of time to train folks for these jobs.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 25, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Public Option
Support/Oppose
50%/46% USA Today/Gallup
61%/38% CNN/Opinion Research
57%/40% ABC News/WaPo
57%/39% Kaiser Family Foundation
62%/31% CBS News
53%/42% Ipsos/McClatchy
61%/34% Quinnipiac
55%/38% Pew
46%/48% NBC News/WSJ
46%/37% Rasmussen
Posted by: Numeros | October 25, 2009, 12:42 am 12:42 am
The liberal left are going to stamp their feet if this doesn’t pass. So there-
Posted by: Sluggo | October 25, 2009, 1:44 am 1:44 am
“The liberal left are going to stamp their feet if this doesn’t pass. So there” – The liberal left? See the post at 12:42.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 25, 2009, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Posted by: Sluggo |
The liberal left are going to stamp their feet if this doesn’t pass. So there-
They will let the public option bury all chance of a meaningfull health care refomrs. Their stubborness to that recent concept will doom thier dream and they will do it to themselves.
We do have GOP members of congress with good ideas that the Dems share and a bill could be passed already with what BOTH sides agree BUT the Dems(far left Dems) are deaf to the GOP and don’t listen.
They only hear the people who say they want reforms but no govt option (or what ever they are calling it) as we don’t want ANY no reforms. They could get together with the GOP and agree with a good number of things and then work on the stuff they disagree and make another bill.
The Dems control the house and senate only THEY would be to blame if they don’t continue to work on the contentious stuff.
This ‘all or nothing’ crap is the hallmark of the far left and it usually ends with mixed results at the very best. Ask anyone on govt help how the waste and crap and bureaucracy to get help is. I think people should get help but as a LAST RESORT and LAST OPTION not just ANOTHER CHOICE.
You don’t want to be on the govt plan trust me… it will be a dumping ground for the people the insurance companies don’t want to cover in the first place.
Competition is a two way street and its not just more choices. Why would the insurance companies want to compete for customers they don’t want as customers now. They have no desire to cover a lot of the sick and poor and others NOW or they already would put an effort into attracting them.
Competition is NOT a one way street. The govt plan would just turn into a govt insurance company. You think you get angry at your insurance company now. Oh crap the Democrats will make history alright. They will be cursed and called more names under the book for generations to come. They can think this will work all they want but history has been very unkind to govt run public entities. public universities compete with private schools and they are so very cheap. They sure keep cost down. Public airlines are so much cheaper its almost free in Germany and the UK huh.
Even if its NON profit there is STILL operating costs and profit is simply just the left over after the bills are paid. Profit is not some evil thing some on the far left think it is. But I digress.
Its not optional if you pay for it anyway. It like every one pays so everyone gets a free car but you don’t HAVE to pick it up. We all are still going to pay for it. Why do you think seniors don’t trust the gov’t? They are constantly fighting against the gov’t messing with medicare and they KNOW how the promises they have been given can be messed with.
I am wondering how before 92 when the paper that is the genesis of this ‘public option’ was published, were the Dems going to do this????
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 2:24 am 2:24 am
“history has been very unkind to govt run public entities.” -The U.S. has a lower infant survival rate and lower life spans than any other technologically advanced country. Both relate to access to affordable, quality health care. Every nation that is doing better than us has a publically run health plan. We need a public option now. Lets get over our ideological differences and focus on what works.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 25, 2009, 3:14 am 3:14 am
“…my right to buy the public insurance.”
Are you kidding me. Your right??
All Hail Obama!
All Hail the State!
Liberals are sheep
Posted by: JamesJ | October 25, 2009, 4:07 am 4:07 am
“The U.S. has a lower infant survival rate and lower life spans than any other technologically advanced country. Both relate to access to affordable, quality health care. Every nation that is doing better than us has a publically run health plan. We need a public option now. Lets get over our ideological differences and focus on what works. ”
What works?!?! I’m on medicare and so are those seniors that FIGHT with the Govt to keep what they do get. I know the stupidity of a Govt system first hand.
You think dealing with a private insurance company is a pain??? You do know the GOVT RUN Medicare denies more claims than the private sector? My manger of my apartment that deals with the poor and HUD all her life doesn’t want this. She deals with the govt and is not exactly a GOP or insurance paid stooge.
This isn’t going to work. Even MDs don’t want it. The AMA is in it for the money and they only represent 17 percent of MDs in this country and they are mostly retired and academics. They stand to make a TON of money on the rest of the MDs and that is FAIR?
There are reforms that will work that don’t require the GOVT involved. TRUST ME you don’t want the govt in your life like this. It is not a good option it will not be good for the Democrat party.
Having the govt help you should be your last option not just another option. Please believe me I know what I am talking about.
We need to fix or reform the current system not get more people on govt systems of ANY KIND.
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 4:47 am 4:47 am
Answer me ONE question. How does the mental health system fit into this. I want to know specifics. That has all sorts of unique problems that other systems don’t have. HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED??? In many states, far to many, that is already a MESS.
I’m waiting for the white house to address that hot potato issue. That is NOT a one size fits all chestnut. Its already a debacle in many areas and has its OWN set of issues?
Just wondering, if they gave much attention to that one?
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 4:54 am 4:54 am
Totally support the Progressive Change campaign Committee. They have a valid point and please don’t let us down, Mr President. You know you have the mandate to do what you campaign for and we are behind you.
Posted by: pana | October 25, 2009, 6:07 am 6:07 am
Right now over 75% of those on SSI are really NOT disabled. My own Dr. Has told me this. So…. Make all those on ssi re-qualify every two years just like you do to get Handicapped plates and we whould CUT all the COST problem we have with medicare. leave those whom actually need the medical benifits ALONE. My co-pay has just gone up fron $5,000 a year out of pocket to $8000 a year effective 2010. That might as well be millions when you live on disability. We are taking from those who really need it because of the abusers!! Fix the abuse and ALL the health care will fix it self!!! Same thing with Madicade thay rush their kid to ER for a cold!! Stop the abuse and we will NOT have to CUT anything . Now I will NOT get the care I need due to the cuts and there are MANY out there like Me! 2010 will Turn back my progress in my Health and Place me back because I can Not afford the Drugs and Proper needed care Due to CUTS!!! Why is this whole photo not beeing looked at???? I may be disabled but I vote and I talk to evryone I can They see the SHAME in this action to Cut medicare and its benifits and INCREASE the cost while doing this.
GOD will Not be smiling on That VOTE!!!!! Those of us laget would Love to Take the steps for re-qualifing it will be those that are not screaming at the Idea. PLEASE help the innocent form this un justice!
Posted by: D.L.Bopp | October 25, 2009, 10:03 am 10:03 am
David from WI Said: “We do have GOP members of congress with good ideas…”
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LOL….. The Republicans held the White House AND the Congress from 2003 to 2007…. yah right Dave, “nowwwww” they have “good ideas”!
The problem of skyrocketing health care cost in our nation didn’t just pop up over the past 9 months. Try more like the past 9 years. The “neigh-sayers” could have fixed this problem, but opted not to because it would have hurt their campaign contributions from the insurance companies.
Posted by: X-Republican Because of Bush | October 25, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I think that Ex VP Ceney should shut his mouth we are in the situations that American is in financially and we have lost good men and women in our military because of him and his ex boss. And as far as fox news I do not watch it reminds me of a trashy gossip group and I do not care for that type of news. I prefer the real news that Charlie Gibson brings me every night.
Posted by: Mona | October 25, 2009, 10:41 am 10:41 am
jan-o on Oct 24, 2009 at 9:07:26 PM above — you have it so right!
The way this “health reform” is headed: The people who will benefit the most will be the lawyers. Congress and the government will have their own separate health care coverage. Organized crime is already seeing how they can milk the system. The people who follow the rules and have a W2 will be the ones who pay for this (like they do for everything else). When all its flaws become apparent after a few years you will have all the finger pointing and “ooops” and “Well, we can’t do anything about it now, we just have to move forward” (like we heard after Katrina, after Iraq, with Afganistan, after the bailout and TARP…)
Put in the penalties and controls to begin with. And put in a sunset provision for the whole thing!
Posted by: Morisot | October 25, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
What about a “trigger” mechanism if health care prices rise, quality of care falls, there are waiting lines for surgeries, and deficits ris?
Posted by: Tastes Like Chicken | October 25, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I am tired of the phony baloney that the government can pay for healthcare!
The government has no money that it didn’t take from us, or borrow from the Chinese!
Someone has to face the $1.4 trillion deficit and the $24 trillion national debt, which is expected to double in ten years!
The jokers-in-charge plan for the debt to double, can you tust anyone who plans to double a debt to $24 trillion?
Will the democrats sink the nation, collapsing the dollar, ushering in socialism and blame it all on Bush?
I have never seen such foolishness, incompetence and outright ignorance when it comes to spending. And sadly almost half the populace seems to go along with the stupidity, always reaching for that “nanny state”!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 25, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Okay you cram this down my throat you better be on this coverag instantly and forever with no Ted Kenney option to opt out. The US citizens will keep tabs on how you voted and the next election there will be changes… 2 November 2010… This country cannot afford the program, stop spending, now. The head of Japanese banking is saying if we go forward with our spending the US dollar will lose 1/2 of its value in two years. I cannot afford this, and I am sure many more cannot either…
Posted by: bob | October 25, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
The President will do what he gotta do.
Posted by: JackntheBox | October 25, 2009, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
The problem of skyrocketing health care cost in our nation didn’t just pop up over the past 9 months. Try more like the past 9 years. The “neigh-sayers” could have fixed this problem, but opted not to because it would have hurt their campaign contributions from the insurance companies.
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Nice try but Ive been disabled for more than 9 years through Democrat AND GOP congresses. They don’t know how it is to be disabled with ‘certain’ disability because MOST OF THE COUNTRY STILL MAKES FUN OF US.
How about seeing TV shows and movies with ‘outspoken caring liberals’ who don’t even know the first thing about mental illness. How about those in congress that don’t want to ‘talk’ about it. How about those of us who KNOW what it is LIKE to live IN THE SYSTEM and get in the TRAP of the CARING LEFTS GENEROSITY but can’t get out or are always too sick to work but have the INTELLIGENCE AND INSIGHT to know how the politicians don’t know what THEY are talking about.
How about hearing on the news that ‘THOSE PEOPLE’ roam the streets and that from a black police officer!!!!!
Mentally illness doesn’t care if you are a liberal or conservative or black or white or rich or poor..
We who are TRAPPED in this system and are in limbo know what its like to be on the edge of society.
OH God the ‘progressive Dems want the HELP some more’ They don’t even know who or what they have done already.
NO STOP You ‘progressives’ most of you are clueless… Most of the population is too. Its not just you.
I agree cut those NON DISABLED out of the system their are a LOT but don’t’ you DARE tell US what being on a GOVT SYSTEM IS.
Problem is too many don’t want to TALK ABOUT IT much less know how to tell who is SCAMMING the system and who Isn’t.
Please don’t tell me about who is ignoring the weak and most vulnerable. I know damn well who is and has failed and ignored and is IGNORANT. Don’t tell me the failures of BOTH parties and half measures and knee jerk reactions.
God help us all the Dems want to HELP again! They ‘feel’ our pain.
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
The way this “health reform” is headed: The people who will benefit the most will be the lawyers. Congress and the government will have their own separate health care coverage. Organized crime is already seeing how they can milk the system. The people who follow the rules and have a W2 will be the ones who pay for this (like they do for everything else)
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Haven’t you head it will be DIFFERENT this time. Its JUST the GOPs fault. The Dems are the ones who KNOW whats wrong. THEY KNOW… how to fix it. They want to cut the WASTE. They can’t even tell who is a faker and who is not. Oh an articulate intelligent person who is disabled. Why ‘YOU” can’t be sick. OH God they just blame the GOP for their messes and don’t see those who HAVE FOLLOWED THE RULES and KNOW THE IGNORANCE IN THE SYSTEM. DEALING WITH HALF WIT GOVT OFFICIALS who think THEY are trying to help..
God help they they mean well but don’t know what they have already done in the name of ‘compassion’
Let me guess its all THEIR fault NOT OURS not the Dems AND the GOP.
Its fine I know what its like to hear people say its not my department or call them they are the ones or fill out this or its NOT OUR FAULT.
Oh sounds like a dealing with a ‘greedy insurance company’ nope just the govt system we already have.
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
OH forget it….. I’m wasting my time.
I’ll just go back to being one of our countires millions that society doesn’t even want to TALK ABOUT much less treat with respect.
Is it time for a CARING LIBERAL to make a film or TV show with a CRAZY character and be PRAISD by their peers.
I wonder if its time to have some fun at the academy awards with a serious subject when the film A Beautiful Mind was honored. Remember that little ‘joke’ that happened. My point isn’t to rant but to explain how the left OR right knows the full problem of the health care system or social problems and programs ALREADY.
Oh as I said I am wasting my breath. I am sure those in DC know what they are doing (both sides).
Yeah right.
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Insurers make 2-6% profit, much lower than most industries. So even if you take that out of the competition that on;y reduces rates by that much. The Dems will continually make the public option cheaper than insurers which will result in insurers going under and the deficit increasing. Then you’ll have a single payer system with all the problems of low doctor pay and hospitals losing money as you have in every single payer system. The Dems go for broke tactic may result in no legislation. How will public feel about that? Preventing insurers from dropping coverage, and no allowing pre-escisting conditions to affect coverare, allowing competition across state lines will help to lower costs plus other ideas. But the public option will destroy the innovation in the system we have that 85% of the people are happy with the care, just not the cost.
Posted by: jschmidt | October 25, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Mark from atlanta. you are right, we do have the best health care and you are also right that people come here to get the best health care. unfortunately it is the very rich that come here for the best health care because the majority of the people are like the american middle class, they cant afford the health care in america.
Posted by: jimt | October 26, 2009, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Olympia Snowe’s constituents AND 2/3 of ALL Americans want a strong public option! That IS Snowe’s responsibility and other Republicans who vote against the public option WILL regret it come election time. Anything less will simply make insurance less available at an affordable cost and will only make the current situation worse. Taxpayers expect their elected officials to do what we sent them there to do. Get on with it.
Posted by: Lilllian | October 26, 2009, 3:54 am 3:54 am
Paul from Texas makes the most sense. Anyway we can get you in Congress?
Look I believe we need to help insurance those who can’t afford it. I think that’s what a good caring nation does. But any Public Option is a black hole. You think we have issues with SS? It will be a return to Welfare State with a vengence. Add Health Insurance with out of control costs, and fraud (that you know will happen because the gov’t is the worst at managing corruption) and we will be taxed out of minds when that is passed.
Posted by: Andy from Colorado | October 26, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
***rightbehind..you spelled snowe wrong. What is a robust option?***
Jake, the current idea of a “robust public option” is a goverment run/subsidised/Public-Funded health insurance plan that ties its reimbursement rates to Medicare’s rates, basicaly.
Realistically this won’t get passed, because there are only about 1/3 of either chamber that are on record as strongly for it. The rest of either chamber seems more likely to vote for a public option with negotiated rates(similar to a private PPO plan) because various physican groups have stated that they would not participate in the “robust” option because they currently lose money for every Medicare or Medicaid patient they see and cannot afford the Medicare rates.
Posted by: bob | October 26, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Since 2002 the high tech job was OutSourced. When the job went over seas I lost my medical insurance. I have not been able to afford the high rates of insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
I need the public option. It’s the only way I can afford to pay for Medical insurance.
I will have lower monthly premium payments,Plus a lower yearly deductible.
That means with Public Option I will have medical insurance I can afford to pay.
Now just what part of this do the Republicans don’t understand.
Posted by: Angie | October 26, 2009, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
90% of Maine Sen Snowe’s health insurance market is dominated by Blue Cross and she is ‘Deeply Disappointed’ that Public Option is in the Senate Bill? People of Maine, you need a new senator.
Posted by: GuyFromLA | October 26, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm