National Emergency: Obama Makes Formal Declaration on Swine Flu

“Seniors and children wait. Not enough vaccines for pregnant women. A George Bush mess.” Quoted from Democratic campaign ad (John Kerry) Oct. 2004. George Bush mess then… Barack Obama mmm mmm mmm now

People are dying from this flu. A 53 year old man died just a couple of days ago in my neighborhood. He was an otherwise healthy construction worker that got sick in late September. It’s disgusting and dangerous that the likes of Limbaugh and Beck are using it as a political football.

what nonsense, this is the mildest flu to come along in years, but the socialist scum want to use it to further their agendas. Very similar to the Bush/Cheney fascist scum using 9/11 to enact unconstitutional laws and practices. The only nation-wide medical treatment we need is an enema of the two party system.

MORE people have dies from the normal flu this year than Swine Flu … the media is just making a big deal of it… thousands of people die from the normal regular everyday flu EVERY YEAR …

the erosion of our constitional rights by the Obama admin.is the REAL national emergency.
Why MUST we purchase health care?
Why does the goverment have the right to tell companies what bonuses the can’t give employees?
Why is FOX news or any other dissenting voice being shunned ?
This is fascism Obama style!!!!!

My daughter and grandson are both ill with His H1N1 right now. My daughter has asthma and I had to take her to urgent care last night before we ended up calling 911 in the middle of the night. This is no joke and because the vaccine is not available here and almost 30% of the kids in our local schools are out with flu symptoms we were unable to prevent what might well have been a death sentence for my daughter. Thank heavens for Tamiflu but those of you who are taking this so lightly I can only say BITE ME!

Why MUST we purchase health care?—- Why do you pay social security? why do you pay for car insurance? YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR OWN WEIGHT! You want to wait until you’re sick, THEN try to get it??? well, that’s just wanting someone else to pay your bills. Slacker. we ALL get sick eventually. Even healthy people get old and then they’re REAL expensive to take care of. YOu pay in now, whne you’re healthy, so when youre old, or sick, THEN others who dont need the coverage – you use their money to pay for YOU! that’s how it works. Right now, you have no health insurance, you get a heart attack at the movies, an ambulence will be called, you go to the emergency room, you get your valve surgery, you are in ICU, you just cost the hospital about $800, and NOW you’re going ot say ‘oh I can’t pay” so who pays for you???? US who have health insurance. Please. Ihave no sympathy for folks who think thye are entitled to walk around like ticking time bombs and when their times comes, you just expect the rest of us to pick up your tab. Ridiculous. YOu want to drive a car, you need to cover you liability to others who drive. You want to live in this society, you need to cover your liability on keeping your body working. DOnt like it? Move.

I had H1N1 and it’s nothing to take lightly. I do, however, find the timing of this to be rather disturbing. Since Obama is starting to lose traction with his control of the press and his health-care argument losing steam, he needed an emergency to boost his numbers. What better way than this?
The real emergency is the federal government doing the distribution and not the private industry who would have done it far more efficiently. Now we don’t have enough inoculations going on. What a preview of Obamacare this is…

those of you who are taking this so lightly I can only say BITE ME!—my kids had it. Does not respond to advil. you need to overlap advil and tylenol 24/7. CHICKEN BROTH!!!!! throw a stupid chicken WITH BONE in a pot, with celery LEAVES, parsley leaves, rosemary leaves, canned chicken broth and carrots. The broth is medicine. Have them sip broth all day to stay hydrated. better than water. My kids didn’t get pnemonia but lots in their school did. Nobody died though, so hang tough. It’s doable but it’s scary and it’s tough.

………… this is meaningless action.. its quite obvious that this is a political excercise to make BO look good.– We have an epidemic that is serious, though overall, kids seem to survive. If it mutates, if kids start to die, we need to be able to act QUICKLY, immediately, restricting access to infected areas and ORDERING phama companies to stop everything they’re dong and make the vaccine NOW. Silly thing called the constitutoin doesn’t allow us to do that now, and seeing how kids do get walloped by, but survive, makes it not necessary, but we’re walking on that edge.

He thinks he’s the Messiah and now he’s trying to “save” us..——-Gotta get hold of that delusional paranoia. Seriously.

I think most American’s take this serious, so where’s all the H1N1 vaccine we were suppose to be getting.?
Our nation has become so complacent and stupid that we will fight each other for the right to decide, give your children the vaccine. Although most of this is just Liberal manuvering and control by Obama and the czars to promote the healthcare debacle, it’s our children!!

I don’t know if it’s Swine flu or seasonal Flu we all have over here, I was too sick to get on a bus(let alone infect everyone on there)to make it to doctors, but it seems as if my entire town(clifton Heights) is sick!I know you can only know if its H1N1 through tests, but is there any way to tell if there’s an outbreak of seasonal or H1N1 in a particular town? My daughter got so bad yesterday she landed in the hospital for numerous breathing treatments, but they did not test her. I have to admit I was #1 to not take swine flu seriously, as during research I found that 36,000 people die a year from seasonal flu, so #’s seemed so small, starting to rethink my position here….

Somehow Obama, Harry, and Nancy will tie this to passing health care.

It’s sad that most Americans have no trust in the government.
Obama has cried wolf so many times who can believe him? He was supposed to be different.
It’s his own fault.
Everything was a crisis or a catastrophe if we didn’t act RIGHT NOW!!!
Except Afghanistan. Our troops can wait.

So, it’s not really an emergency yet, this is a “pro-active measure?” Why not go ahead and declare the Gulf Coast a disaster area now for next year’s hurricanes, then?

Liberty1776
You’re right.
It’s hard to trust the government no matter who is in office.
Too much corruption.

To Jenn,
So far, the CDC surveillance system has shown very little seasonal flu going around, so they told the doctors and health depts. to just assume flu-like symptoms were H1N1. They’re not even bothering to test anymore, except when people are hospitalized.
However, there are lots of “non-flu” things circulating in communities which CDC doesn’t even bother to keep track of. Knowing how the CDC operates, they’ll probably tell everyone who was sick in October to get vaccinated in Dec., because H1N1 wasn’t confirmed.
This will happen when they’re sitting on a multi-billion dollar pile of unused vaccine.

those of you who are taking this so lightly I can only say BITE ME!— Here! Here!! I agree! We’ve had it. Unlike anything I’ve ever seen. Dont worry. Karma has a way of biting those people in the butts.

they’ll probably tell everyone who was sick in October to get vaccinated in Dec., because H1N1 wasn’t confirmed—it’s not rocket science. Youll know it by the fever. You’ve never seen a fever like this before.

HE makes a decision, only the safe ones are all you can expect from him.

Vet, there is an overwhelming waves sweeping across this country of folks being absolutely repulsed by republicans right wing. And you are the perfect example as to why. Parents are coming on this site who have had it, or are looking for information about it, and just look at your despicable posts! It’s like you’re walking into the waiting room of an ER and rambling about politics. Not the time, nor the place. Do you people have no shame?

They act like this is the bubonic plague or something. This who flu thing is very suspicious if you ask me. How come all of a sudden its spreading like wild fire? Why are they pushing us to take some vaccine? if so many people have had it and recovered within a few days than what is the big deal? Unless you’re really oldor really young than don’t worry about it. Carry on everyone. Live your lives and stop beinh afraid of pretended-viruses, “muslim terrorists”, and 2012 doomsday. I miss the days when men were MEN, not cowards like we all have become.

Did Obama make another backdoor deal with Phrma?

I talked to one of my E.R physicians today at work. He stated they have seen alot of flu but no h1n1, yet. We have a 300 plus bed hospital in a small city. So if more people die from the regular flu, then why all the hype for h1n1 so early?
There seem to be more going on behind the scenes.

He stated they have seen alot of flu but no h1n1—-I live in mass. News just said the opposite. No seasonal flu, if you have a flu now, it’s probably H1N1.

This is Obama’s way of bailing out the vaccine maker/pharmaceutical companies! If not they will not be able to afford their luxury homes and 100K dollar automobiles! ‘Change’ we can believe in? — no we can’t!

the gov’t has a responsibility to prevent a pandemic/and to take the precautions in dealing with this sickness…and who ultimately rushed us into war in the first place??????

Bush revamped and push through new measures to deal with a pandemic. No one remembers sars and the white house THEN taking measures that OBAMA took advantage of and some tried to take credit for.
They had HOW MANY MONTHS to get ready for this and they said it would be bad. YUP is is and NOW he declares and EMERGENCY.
This could be his Katrina and he CAN’T blame this on Bush if it turns south fast. How is it NOT necessary for schools to close again? How many days should you stay home from work or school again?
Anyone remember the Bangkok flu in ’81? That was a horrible to get, I was in bed a week. Nasty one that was.

When is Obama going to shut down the Mexican border to prevent the spread of the disease? As for the vaccine, I won’t put mecury, anti freeze squalene thimerosal, or rat poison into my bloodstream! They can keep their poison shot, I will put my faith in God!

they’ll probably tell everyone who was sick in October to get vaccinated in Dec., because H1N1 wasn’t confirmed
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mom of two….. Yup and most people should have been exposed to it by December they wont need the vaccine then if they already got sick with this strain by then (it supposedly is spreading F A S T). This is ridiculous. One in 5 children are supposed to have it now (according to a white house official on one of networks but then he probably has to ‘recalibrate’ his statement) The way its spreading and the speed…. how much did we pay for that vaccine that will be ‘delivered’ from over seas WHEN?
By the way I had the flu a lot as a kid and even had pneumonia twice as a kid so I am not joking about the flu it STINKS to get sick and ANY flu is a pain to get (no pun intended) but this is ridiculous. Are we supposed to be worried now or NOT be worried now?
I wonder what Biden has to say about it.
Oh yup is it time for someone to bash Bush? Probably a good idea huh?

Why is this man President?
Posted by: Ann | Oct 24, 2009 4:11:39 PM
Because the alternative was much worse.

vet1973,
Nice to see someone else that has a brain. Thank you for your service sir!

When the worst plagues hit mankind- some of them in Europe during the middle ages, millions died. What is less talked about is that many others were untouched because their bodies were not an environment that the viruses could grow in. People would be wise to know more about that side of things.

This is a paranoid country. Thats why nobody even lets their kids go trick-or-treating on Halloween anymore. I remember just 6 or 7 years ago we would have kids all night ringing the door bell and I would distribute candy. With each year fewer and fewer kids have shown up, now I see almost nobody walking the streets on halloween the last 2 years. very sad what has happened to this country. Not just economically and socially, but phsychologically, emotionally, and mentally.

When the worst plagues hit mankind- some of them in Europe during the middle ages, millions died. What is less talked about is that many others were untouched because their bodies were not an environment that the viruses could grow in. People would be wise to know more about that side of things.
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The plague is a BACTERIA NOT A VIRUS.
Pneumonic,Bubonic,Septicemic plague are the most common types (you know black death etc…) they are caused by Yersinia pestis a bacterium not a virus.
Those are the common plagues and the most well known and when someone talks about ‘plague’ they are referring to those usually.
NOT A VIRUS.

A question the media doesn’t ask… who is going to PAY for all the free vaccinations and for the stuff that isn’t used….. hummmmmmm BO….. is that why BO is pushing this sooooo hard….. BO is pressuring the Pharmaceutical Companies to make it with NO guarantee it will be purchased-used before it expires……… So now BO has to PRESSURE the citizens to use it….

to holding my breath: First take a deep breath and rejoice that your children are OK now…at least I pray they are. Right?
But I must defend the many men I know that are excellent parents. All of them are not totally lazy nitwits. My husband is one of the most compassionate caring people I know. He raised his 2 daughters and did a wonderful job of it.
But I can only imagine the stress and agony you have been through. Caring for any seriously-ill loved one is hideous, and when it’s your child, it just HAS to be so much, much worse.

to Vet1973: Get a grip! Not everything the President does is some great conspiracy. I have a feeling you would be one of the first to condemn him for doing nothing when, God forbid, we have a full-blown, ghastly epidemic in this country.
And that’s coming from a conservative Republican that really loathes most of the President’s policies.

I guess I just don’t get it, but to things seem to be going very well regarding this flu. I mean, just compare the number of people killed so far this year by “swine flu” compared to the normal seasonal flu. H1N1 has been responsible for less than 10% of global flu deaths this year, and it has a lower mortality rate in developed countries than the normal flu.
Most people “in the know” about epidemiological microbiology are not very concerned about this. So far we’re on track for the normal 35,000 flu deaths per year in this country, so H1N1 doesn’t seem to be having much of an impact on those numbers.
So….. what the big deal?

Shain asked: “So….. what the big deal?”—
I’m no expert on any of this, but I’ll give you my opinion. H1N1 is an ‘unknown’. A lot of those who ARE experts can’t really say what it’s going to do in its present form or what it might mutate to.
I would say 99.99999% of folks fear the unknown more than something like the ‘regular’ flu which we are pretty much used to. Our complacency towards ‘regular’ flu has come back on us a few times when the experts guess wrong on it.

This is, indeed, proof positive our prevailing Administration “gets it” and demonstrates genuine concern for the health & welfare of our country.
What a refreshing breath of fresh air after sucking the stagnant, toxic gasses of 2001-2008!

Under NSPD 51 due to Obama declaring a National Health Emergency… we are now under Martial Law… Read it for yourself!

What I would prefer is that ABC and “Media” do is just layout the FACTS… and IGNORE politically based spin of their favorite politician…… BO’s political bull adds nothing of value……
An average of 30,000 people die from the “normal” flu every year and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has officially stated that there will be as many as 30,000 serious, potentially lethal adverse reactions to the H1N1 vaccine, and FDA guidelines for H1N1 vaccine only require that it work in 3 out of every 10 recipients……… So make your decisions on facts…. not on BO’s scare tactics spin…. I’m not concerned… I wont be taking it..

to julieterra: You are aware I hope that many people do not approve of some or even most of what President Obama has done. Accomplishing something, if wrong, doesn’t earn much praise.
I’m one that is appalled by a few things the President has done, I disapprove of a lot of what he has done, but do approve of a couple things.
I (unlike the Nobel committee) will not praise him for what he ‘might’ do. But then, I won’t condemn him either.
And…I am just as patriotic, as American, as reasonable, and as intelligent as you and those who also approve of everything the President has or will do.

Well, I have had the flu this year–probably swine. There wasn’t nothing to it. So why the over reaction from Obama? Is it more lip service, is it a way to pay off the pharma section for their support of the Obama health scam, or this is a way for his fascist communist regime to attack those on his enemies list easier. Again, with the flu—-Drink fluids and wash your hands covers most of it.

This country is made of 3 people: 1 Liberals (35%) 2. Conservatives (35%) 3 Middle (30%). The liberals will never like Republican President, even if s/he does something good. Similarly, Conservatives will never like a Democratic President even if s/he does somethingg good for the country. It is high time both liberals and conservatives give up their fanatism and come towards center thinking of what is good for the country. The fact is Obama was a liberal, but after becoming President he realized that being in the middle is only one way you can save this country from catastrophe.

If it’s an Emergency then why, No timetable yet for H1N1 vaccines on bases in Europe. Jake

I’m confused. One of my children has the swine flu and her pediatrician gave me a prescription for Tamiflu. I had to go all over the place to find a pharmacy that could/would compound the adult capsules into children’s liquid. I finally found one and after thanking him, I said that it was concerning that everyone was already out of tamiful for children. He told me that no one is out, but the government won’t let them sell it because the government is worried about an epidemic. Thus, they face fines as well as suspension of their licenses if they sell the children’s liquid tamiflu which is in the meantime, going to expire (it did in fact, but he said the government ran tests on the expired tamiflus and gave it a new expiration of 2011). What is the government doing? If there is a problem, why won’t they let the pharmacies sell the children’s tamiflu??? This is a disgrace!

Obama is not in the center…he’s a far out (not even lib) but communist and crook. To follow or support him is to support one’s demise in most instance. Globalist banks and communist groups like him because he will bring in a two party system..the ubber rich and the rest of us at the bottom.

I hate to sound paranoid but……………….since the Older people tend to have a immunity to this stran of flu…it STRONGLY INDICATES that this fiu had been kep on ice for a few decades and not a naturally occuring flue since only older people have some immunity to it. The only way I can think of is that the government or other group (like the communists) pulled up an older stran of flu and altered it a little.

I’m not sure if this will be of help to any worried Moms or Dads out there, but I can offer some lessons learned from the outbreak in NYC last Spring:
First, learn what your local school policy is regarding Swine Flu. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan prefers that schools stay open until they can administratively function, but the final decision is up to each local school board.
Will your school notify parents that the student body are getting sick? How many students need to present with symptoms before that happens? At what point will the school limit after-school activities? Are assignments on-line for students in case parents decide a child should remain at home?
Parents in NYC managed to get the Dept. of Education to post daily absences for each school on their Website. This was a major victory for parents who wanted to be more proactive in responding to the epidemic.
Second, parents “bought time” through containment. They stopped letting kids hang out with large groups or going into crowded places. Containment also includes the things the TV docs urge, like using hand sanitizer, etc.
Third, and this is my suggestion, if you have a child with an underlying health condition, I’d call the city, county and state health departments to see what they are doing to make sure the most vulnerable children receive the H1N1 vaccination as soon as possible. If they don’t have a waiting list, WHY NOT?
Hope this is some help. . .

Bravo to the President for doing everything he can to protect the weak and vulnerable. Most of us will not suffer any serious effects from this flu, but to lose one child is one too many.
I can’t believe the idocy of bashing the president over something as basic as trying to stop an epidemic among children. You people (and you know who you are) are out and out crazy.

ABC News…I know it is a Saturday and all…but get this: “A copy of the proclamation and the accompanying message to Congress are attached.” Where is the proclamation? Where is the website to go to to read it? Why if this is such a BIG deal, can’t you as a news organization provide the REST of the INFO…
I just don’t get it…I come here for news and facts, and all I get is data that doesn’t compute….

“lol lotta nutjobs on these boards. Some of these conspiracy posts are rather entertaining.”

Phoenix Lady: “I can’t believe the idocy of bashing the president over something as basic as trying to stop an epidemic among children. You people (and you know who you are) are out and out crazy.”
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I don’t know if you are calling me crazy, but since you used the same comment (you know who you are) I will answer anyway. If I’m wrong, please forgive me.
I am not bashing President Obama for this action. My deep sense of skepticism always leads me to ‘wonder’ about anything government does, be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, Freethinkers, or Martian. Can’t help it, it’s the way I am.
I support this move. I think the potential of serious harm to so many people justifies it. I’ve seen people with this disease and it is NASTY.
My comment of ‘you know who you are’ was directed to some of my fellow, but seriously delusional, Republicans.
I hope that this will all turn out to be a total waste of time and money…only because it means h1n1 will fizzle out and go away. I would consider it money well spent…for more worthy than some other things the President has done. But I’m NOT one of the lunatic fringe that want to condemn our President just because he’s Democrat.

Our government was asleep at the switch again – now they trying to cover their butts. Now they are telling 300 million + people they will have (they say) 50 million doses by med nov. what about the other 260 million?
The government is killing us with there stupidity.

how reminiscent of bill clinton launchin missiles at osama bin laden durin the lewinsky scandal.. just a coincidence i am SURE.

“The government says I should take this vaccine so i better go and do it.”
-Sheep

I just wish people would stay calm and realize that H1N1 is a flu,just like any other seasonal flu. The difference is that the older one is , the more immunity one has because similar strains were around in the 1950′s and 1976. Unfortunately, 1976 was not pretty, with the flu actually not developing into a full Pandemic, and with the side effects from the vaccine being a disaster. Personally, if I have to pick,I would give the vaccine to my 4 yo grandson (with trepidation), to my 25 yo daughter only later in the season, and to myself -not at all.

If you don’t like our government, why don’t you move to a country where there are NO vaccines for anything. See how much you will like that! You’ll really have something to complain about then! The U.S. is full of adult spoiled brats!

Reality is absent in “Conservative World”!

And the Conservatives come out in support of the flu, as expected.

Yaaaa seeeeeeee making this worthless “Formal Declaration” doesn’t cost BO a dime… but it does grab the headlines for BO…… and it does score BO LOTS of political points with his rabid supporters…. it’s a win win political move for him…. we love you BO we love you BO… your BS is so conforting

my 2-year-old great-grandson contracted H1N1..thank GOD.the vaccine nipped the flu in its bud so that he got better before he got so very ill….many children in our state have already died from this flu…..yet neocons come on this blog and make absurd comments about our president with no concern about the welfare of others…what about the people that do not have the money to go to the doctor and get the vaccine…how many adults and other chidren will become ill or die in just our state…..conservatives have no sense of morality, no sense of humanity, no heart….just useless negative babble…

Don’t get mad at our President because he’s smarter than you are. And get this, his wife is smarter than you are too. I know it hurts but accept it.

Lines with at least a 2 1/2 hour wait while standing in the rain, completely disorganized, unprepared, and still not even enough of the so-called vaccine.
So many questions regarding this debacle…
All those people standing in line might get the flu due to their immune system being weakened while standing in the rain for 2 and half hours….

“All those people standing in line might get the flu due to their immune system being weakened while standing in the rain for 2 and half hours….”
Strange…the skies here today where sunny and blue…walked into my doctor’s office and got my vaccine in under 10 minutes…..

liz: You hit the nail on the head!

liz..thank you so much….he is doing much better today….I am grateful to know that there are still caring people out there…I get so very tired of reading right wingnut babble…

Apparently, conservatives haven’t heard that minds, like parachutes, have to be open to function properly and serve the purpose for which they were originally intended – thinking, understanding, learning, etc, etc. Hmmm….were those craters on the moon caused by close-minded conservatives?!?

jdskansas – makes one wonder about some people who can only complain and criticize….especially about a national emergency declaration…i clearly remember Bush reading “My Pet Goat,” upside-down BTW, when the Twin Towers were attacked…he just sat in his little chair with the dumbest look on his face….yet when Presidemt Obama takes action in an emergency….that only solicits attacking comments from wingnuts who care nothing about other people and their welfare…me, me, me is their only battle cry….

Sandy: I too, am glad the little guy is felling better. I am happy that he got the vacine in time and is on the mend!

Jerry Hurley: It is my understanding that the “old codgers” who are at risk, are ones who already have serious underlying health issues. Your tough old hide should escape this pandemic! But, don’t listen to me – check with your doctor!

Jerry Hurley – I am 68 and my doctor had no qualms about my taking the H1N1 vaccine….hope that helps..and, oh yes, I did have the smallpox vaccine…

Take care liz. Enjoy your evening!

This bill means though that they can transport you to any facility they like without due protocal. Due protocol is in place so as to grant you your personal rights. With the ability to act without consideration to protocol is equivalent to them being able to act with imputnity forcing you to rehab or institutionalization, put in a camp or otherwise be removed from what is familiar to you and your family.
That is what this bill ultimately says in the most personal of ways.

All this article shows, is how much the Government screws things up…. why would a Hospital have to ASK permission to change its procedures if it feels its having a major outbreak….. OH Yeah.. BO is a god………

There was an opportunity to nip the H1N1 in the bud before it entered the USA but the government failed to do so and now it is chicken little and the sky is falling. Two extremes have led to the failures.

A question the media doesn’t ask… who is going to PAY for all the free vaccinations and for the stuff that isn’t used….. hummmmmmm BO….. is that why BO is pushing this sooooo hard….. BO is pressuring the Pharmaceutical Companies to make it with NO guarantee it will be purchased-used before it expires……… now BO has to PRESSURE the citizens to use it….

If you are PRO vaccination then you will certainly get your shot and move on. You will not have to worry about the people like myself who elect not to receive it because if we contract the virus itself you will not be affected correct? I am a Ped nurse that works in a practice of 8 doctors, I face this everyday and have yet to see ONE critical case. I see the panic the media has created, but the info they fail to tell people. The fact that in the last week alone I have seen more allergic type reactions to the shot and mist that Ive had to stop than serious cases of the virus itself. So make your decision use your own brain and stop trying to convince the other side. Those who understand need no explanation, for those who dont no explanation is good enough.

“There was an opportunity to nip the H1N1 in the bud before it entered the USA but the government failed to do so and now it is chicken little and the sky is falling. Two extremes have led to the failures”
Please explain and provide proof instead of just shouting your hands off!

Hey ABC…. IF this is SOOOO serious… why don’t you keep H1N1 as a HEADLINE FrontPage story everyday….. without BO’s 2 cents……….put your money where your mouth is……

And we wonder where they get it from:
Today on his radio show, Rush Limbaugh mocked reports that children are dying from H1N1. Limbaugh accused the administration of using the swine flu body count to promote healthcare. Limbaugh said, “It’s a new battlefield, but the same thing, battlefield deaths, the new swine flu body count, all because the priority is healthcare.”

talkhooloo: in summer of 2005 scientist here resurected the 1918 Swine flue virus from people and amimals lungs that died from it !

SecondLook, you could have gone all night without bringing up the Rush, the idiot, Limbaugh.
Now I’m nauseated again.
Thanks a lot!

“mal – I’ll add you to my “good list” of conservatives. lol ”
Thanx, SecondLook, I am honored!
There are a few ones left, and we intend to take back the GOP from the loonies who are ruining our good name.
But MAN, there are just so many of them!!!

malcat – there was a conservtive on one of the liberal blogging sites last evening…he was a great debater, and like you, was very unhappy with the fringe that has taken over the party and appears to be imploding it from the inside out. Several of the liberal bloggers deabted with him and everyone handed him the same comment….he was knowledgeable and respectful and truly understood what was happening to the party he so dearly loved.
I sometimes forget to be respectful….but I love a good debate…and when wingnuts show up to only throw crap around, I do lose it sometimes.

Sandy: I sometimes forget to be respectful….but I love a good debate…and when wingnuts show up to only throw crap around, I do lose it sometimes.
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Just as guilty myself. I get frustrated and passionate also….with the idiots on both sides of the fence.
I just wish we as Americans could stop being so pig-headed (my apologies to the pig) and realize the peril our country is in by such bigotry and stupidity.

SecondLook: I think limiting oneself to just one viewpoint and news station is rather silly. I try to listen to them all and read all the news websites a couple times a day at least. My local newspaper is rather liberal, but they try to suppress it somewhat.
I have a couple friends like yours. One is rabid Republican beyond all hope; the other is a Democrat that actually thinks I’m going to Hell if I don’t ‘change my ways’.
It would be funny except they both vote! Of course they cancel each other out in the general elections, but they can hurt the Party during the primaries.

“the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has officially stated that there will be as many as 30,000 serious, potentially lethal adverse reactions to the H1N1 vaccine”
The CDC has stated no such thing, although some vaccine opponents have made that claim. Hundreds of thousands have already been vaccinated, with no reports of serious (let alone lethal) reactions.
“The CDC, and FDA guidelines for H1N1 vaccine only require that it work in 3 out of every 10 recipients.”
Again, not true. And the vaccine has a 90% success rate in creating antibodies to H1N1.

Guess H1N1 is no longer important… since ABC has moved it off their headline page…………. Guess we’ll have to wait for more words of wisdom from BO. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Hey ABC…. IF this is SOOOO serious… why don’t you keep H1N1 as a HEADLINE FrontPage story everyday….. without BO’s 2 cents……….put your money where your mouth is……

The most people were killed from Swine flu, they have previous health problems. Just do what you can do, don’t be worry.

Glad Obama could take a break from campaigning, fundraisers, and his war on Fox to make a presedential decision.
More than likely ballerina Rahm made the decision–he’s more familiar with a crisis.
Obama’s desk in the Oval Office must have cobwebs.

Although officials had hoped at least 40 million doses of vaccine would be available by this time, production problems have delayed the federal government’s ambitious inoculation campaign. Only about 16 million doses have become available.
(But don’t worry about the government taking over the healthcare arrangements of every man, woman and child in America. They love you, they know what’s best for you, and they always do a great job.)

“Although officials had hoped at least 40 million doses of vaccine would be available by this time, production problems have delayed the federal government’s ambitious inoculation campaign.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 25, 2009 1:45:50 PM
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You think the vaccine is being produced in government facilities?
It’s being produced in private facilities.
And you’re blaming the government for private industry production problems?
Your bias and lack of research is showing again . . .

This is another example of the administrations naivety regarding bringing a product to market. Since many have not worked in private industry they think that 9 women can have a baby in 1 month.

tillyerkt | Oct 25, 2009 4:37:43 PM posted: “another example of the administration’s naivety regarding bringing a product to market.”
Did you know most of the H1N1 vaccine was manufactured outside the US?
Our nation has become dangerously dependent on other countries for manufacturing, including vaccines. After all, for the past 8 years manufacturers benefited by shipping jobs overseas.
With all that cheap labor, manufacturers have less pressure to streamline a process. In this case, the H1N1 virus did not grow as quickly as manufacturers predicted using the old fashioned egg-based production technique.

RCP Obama approval average among voters: 50.0%.

Don’t be fooled by imitators who cherry-pick their favorite polls, calculate an average, and then slap the RCP label on the result. Here is the REAL RealClearPolitics average.
Presidential Job Approval
Approve/Disapprove
55/38 Gallup
48/51 Rasmussen Reports
55/43 CNN/Opinion Research
50/46 USA Today/Gallup
57/40 ABC News/Wash Post
49/45 FOX News
53/41 Marist
52.4% / 43.4% RCP Average

Finally. The United States spend more on healthcare than any other country, and yet our system is still not the best. Swine flu is an epidemic that needs to be taken seriously. With so many people dying from H1N1, it is about time that President Obama signed that emergency declaration. We dont even manufacture the vaccine, which means we have to buy it from someone else, which means there is a possiblity that we could have no access to it. We need to manufacture the vaccine in the U.S. so that it is on hand at all times and no one is forced to wait and hope that theyre symptoms do not turn fatal in the meantime. Swine flu needs to be taken seriously, as it has claimed so many lives. Even though most of its victims have had previous health problems, that doesnt mean it isn’t dangerous. Due to the abundance of patients at hospitals, an alternative is needed for the H1N1 epidemic. Maybe temporary clinics where nothing is done but the vaccine is given. Little clinics like this spread around the country would really help speed up the process for people. No one wants to wait on a vaccine when they could be dying.

“You think the vaccine is being produced in government facilities?”
No. I don’t think the government produces anything.
It is being produced by private citizens under contracts that were planned and let by the government with its usual efficiency Anne foresight.

julieterra | Oct 25, 2009 11:13:03 PM
Nonsense.
Production limitations on this vaccine would have been in play no matter who was in the White House – you’re unfairly blaming and attacking the Obama administration.
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I didn’t suggest that another administration would have been able to get the vaccine any sooner. This administrations naivety is thinking that they could without appreciating what was involved.

“You think the vaccine is being produced in government facilities?”
No. I don’t think the government produces anything.
It is being produced by private citizens under contracts that were planned and let by the government with its usual efficiency Anne foresight.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 26, 2009 9:46:16 AM
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Yes, unfortunately those “private citizens” had a bit of a ‘Wall Street CEO’ mentality and forecast that they would have 120 million doses ready by now when they were awarded the ‘contract’.
But, as fate would have it, there were ‘production problems’.
Novartis, which ‘contracted’ to make 90 million vaccine doses for the US, saw a yield just one-fifth of what was expected after working with the first H1N1 virus to grow the vaccine.
So, the ‘contracted’ 120 million doses won’t be done until the the end of the year.
They said the U.S. likely won’t get its entire order filled until the first part of next year.

jon, I agree that the swine flu has so far killed far fewer people in the U.S. than the regular seasonal flu. Swine flu killed 593 Americans from April until the end of August this year, while the seasonal flu is estimated to have killed 5,000 in that same time period.
The part that has Obama and the medical community worried is that the deaths for swine flu are occurring at a high rate in young people, whereas the seasonal flu takes a higher toll on the old, and those with serious health problems.
As for the production problems, it is very understandable. The current lab/factories that give us enormous quantities of regular flu vaccine had to essentially double their production, as the need for seasonal flu and now swine flu, plus people wising up about the need for vaccinations, led to more than doubling the amount of vaccines needed. It’s not like you can fund, build and staff new labs overnight. You can’t speed up the time it takes to grow the vaccine in eggs either, it biologically takes x amount of weeks to grow a batch, under controlled conditions. And for some reason we have since learned that the swine flu takes longer to grow than seasonal flu in its egg medium.
We should make sure the first millions of doses go to our most vulnerable, our youth and those with serious medical conditions and of course, our medical workers.
And everyone who can should get a seasonal flu shot, so your immune system won’t be run down from fighting seasonal flu before you encounter the swine flu virus. It takes weeks to build your immune system back up after a bad flu, don’t leave yourself unprotected.
And don’t believe the uninformed warning about the ‘untested safety’ of the swine flu vaccine. These vaccines are made the same way as seasonal flu vaccines have been made for many years. They are as safe as the regular flu shot.

RCP average approval in polls of voters: 49.67%.

And there he goes again.
Don’t be fooled by this individual who cherry-picks his favorite polls, calculates his own average, and then posts his handiwork here with the RCP label slapped on to it.

Fascist Hyena, let me get your attitude on the vaccine labs straight.
You expected them to know a couple of years ago that we would require vast numbers of two flu vaccines, rather than the usual one. You expected them, as a private business (having to show a profit for their shareholders if at all possible), to invest in doubling their lab space, equip them and hire the experienced technicians to work them so they would be ready in case we were fighting two major types of flu at the same time. Oh, and they should have known that the swine flu would take much longer to incubate in an egg than the common flu types they have dealt with for the last ten years.
Does any of that sound realistic to you?

“You expected them, as a private business (having to show a profit for their shareholders if at all possible), to invest in doubling their lab space, equip them and hire the experienced technicians to work them so they would be ready in case we were fighting two major types of flu at the same time.”
I expected no such thing. I simply expected the government to prepare adequately, and be able to respond to, and emergency of this kind. I always expect this kind of behavior from the federal government, and I am very rarely disappointed.
By the same token, I expect the government to have absolutely no idea how many people will opt into or out of whatever elective health insurance options they permit, nor what effect the forthcoming legislation will have on costs and premiums, nor what future amendments will cause overall costs to rise.
What I do know is that the entire undertaking will be vastly more expensive than it is projected to be today, that it will be funded by higher taxation and borrowing, and that along with Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security it will prove unsustainable and fiscally disastrous. And I know that no one who votes for it today has either a doubt or a care about those facts.

…What I do know is that the entire undertaking will be vastly more expensive than it is projected to be today, that it will be funded by higher taxation and borrowing, and that along with Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security it will prove unsustainable and fiscally disastrous. And I know that no one who votes for it today has either a doubt or a care about those facts.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 26, 2009 6:49:51 PM
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I care about those facts!
In fact I’m looking forward to the day when taxes on the rich (nearly all Republicans) go up to pay for health care reform.
It’s the ‘kill two birds with one stone’ approach.

“Actually, I take all of the polls of either likely or registered voters that are included in the current RCP average, and I calculate their average by…well, I assume you know how to calculate averages.
“If you don’t like what the polls of voters say, as opposed to polls of all adults, that is your problem. I will continue to post the average of the polls of voters, regardless of their numbers, and let the chips fall where they may.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 26, 2009 6:53:15 PM
The RCP average – the REAL RCP average – includes recent polls of registered voters, likely voters, AND adults. In fact, most of the polls are surveys of adults. You can’t perform your own calculations on cherry-picked polls and still call it the “RCP average.” That would be dishonest. Of course, that has never stopped you before.
I’m sure you realize that the Marist and Fox News polls (voter surveys) will soon be dropping off the current RCP list, leaving Rasmussen all alone. What will you do until the next voter poll comes along – divide Rasmussen by 1 and call it an average? LOL!

You guys are all ridiculous. Stop believing everything you see on tv. Do us all a favor and go to the CDC website and try reading about both types of flu. Compare the two and then hold your breath on this one…. prepare to eventually get the H1N1. We all will …. and we’ll all be ok. Just like when you get the regular flu. We’ll be ok. Come on people. It’s all about healthcare. Seems interesting that this “scare” comes at the peak of the health care reform. Coincidence? Who knows? Time will tell …