Obama: Going Green Akin to Going to The Moon

“…allowing you to conserve electricity during times when prices are highest, like hot summer days.”
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What I would like is a smart grid that could deliver more electricity at a time when NEED is the highest, like hot summer days.

What I would like is a smart grid that could deliver more electricity at a time when NEED is the highest, like hot summer days.
MayBee | Oct 27, 2009 3:27:04 PM
If your neighbors who both work 9-5 everyday notice they’d save $400 a year by using a programmable t-stat to shut off their AC during the day, you can indeed get more electricity when NEED is highest. If a stay at home dad notices that it costs double to dry the clothes at noon versus 8pm, he may wait to do the laundry and you’ll have more electricity available when NEED is highest. Likewise, rooftop PV delivers peak power when NEED is highest.
This isn’t completely simple stuff, but it good legitimate investment in well proven technologies.

it would be awesome to get an electrical supply that doesn’t fritz out on a Saturday afternoon that reaches 105 degrees.
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“The money will pay for . . . 700 automated substations to make it faster for utilities to restore power knocked out by storms and 200,000 smart transformers that allow power companies to replace units before they fail, thus avoiding outages.”

Poor comparison between the interstate system and this “smart” grid. Looks as if BO still has a bunch of idiots around him…

“Are you saying there would be plenty of energy available, and the utilities wouldn’t have to charge different rates at different times of day?”
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MayBee dude, I’m afraid being piggish and sloppy with energy is going to be a thing of the prehistoric, self-indulgent past. Time to grow up and get real – and it can be fun and creative.

Going green is akin to moon cheese.

Then why hasn’t it been done?
This isn’t some pie in the sky liberal idea here, this is fundamental build out and upgrade of infrastructure. There is a reason private industry is matching the public money.
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You were the one that brought up the programmable thermostat. Why hasn’t it been done? Because my neighbor didn’t take $25 to home depot and then install it.
Of course there’s a reason private industry is matching the public money- it gives them a mechanism to charge customers MORE depending on the time of day they use their electricity.
I’m all for an upgrade in the grid. Just don’t find a new way to ration it and tell me it is “smart” and for my benefit.
I’m not pretending to be an expert. I’m saying… a real improvement, in my opinion, would be more abundant, plentifully available energy to suit the needs of the consumer. Not creative ways to ration and charge for it.

“But how interesting that you want to turn energy use into a moral cause. You can’t be “piggish” with it. You can’t be “self-indulgent”.
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I completely disagree with you.
One of the major tenants of earlier generations was ‘waste not, want not’. That you have failed to learn this PRACTICAL, not moral, lesson . . . is lame.

This is exactly right, IMO:
“It’s a debate between looking backwards and looking forward,” he said. “Between those who are ready to seize the future and those who are afraid of the future. And we know which side the United States of America has always come down on.”
You’ve got a way of hitting the nail right on the head, Mr. President :>)
Now, what do we do with the backward folks to drag their minds somehow into global marketplace present-millenium thinking?

He should of said it is a debate between people who are living in LaLa land and people who are realist. He was right about the smart meters though, you will need to monitor your meter hourly after he passes cap and trade to be able to afford to heat your home. Buy plenty of blankets.

I would like to know where the money trail leads. Are the manufacturers tied to our politicians and their cronies? Is all the installation being done by union workers? How much money do politicians stand to make? Are taxpayers being fleeced yet again? I can’t help but be suspicious given these people’s backgrounds.

Gee, I would have thought that Obama alone figured this stuff out. A smart grid is good stuff, so is solar, so is wind but then again so is gas and clean coal. We need all of it. The past decade has seen remarkabe advances in alternative energies yet to hear Obama tell it he and he alone is responsible for it, the only one looking forward, never mind the fact that the power plant he was at has taken years to get to the point it is at now.
The man spews enough hot air to fuel the goodyear blimp.

“As we’ve become a wealthier nation, we’ve begun doing things older generations would consider ‘wasteful’ . . ”
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Yes, and many of them really are wasteful.

Paul, I agree that real science can handle debate. The problem is that the press can’t handle real science or real debate.
When the media runs surveys asking people whether global warming is real, that is worse than useless. I couldn’t care less what the scientific opinion of my barely educated neighbor is, and his opinion has no bearing on whether its real.
The press doesn’t seem to get that.

The study that 98% of Global Warming alarmists cite has been proven to be a fraud, the data cherry picked & then destroyed by the government funded researchers.
I am all for doing whatever we can to fight pollution, but the fact is that the earth has been cooling now for the last eleven years.
Global Warming & the so called “green movement” is just another redistribution scam on the part of govnernment & fat cats like Al Gore & Obama’s crowd. Take a look at the scam that was Van Jones.
Follow the money. This is the biggest tax scam in history for nothing but the sake of enriching government & government cronies at the expense of individual freedom and wealth.
Cap n tax is another sick joke perpetrated on us by an out of control government.

the earth has been cooling now for the last eleven years.
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Sigh.
If you’d like to be current, I recommend an article by AP science reporter Seth Borenstein. Its called “Impact: Statisticians reject global cooling” and it is an excellent example of inventive investigative journalism.
Because the cooling canard is a centerpiece of misrepresentations by George Will and others, Borenstein decided to put metereological data under the examination and analysis of statisticians unaware of the data stream that they were seeing. No bias, in other words.
Here’s one quote but you can google it to read the whole article. It may be worth your time–
“If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect,” said John Grego, a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina.
The bottom line is that the loudly and smugly proclaimed hypothesis of a cooling globe since 1998 has, again, been tested and found wanting.

This is just another chapter of LOBBY ROBBERY,,,another scam to give to corporate America so they can get even richer off of the people. When ALL the savings go to the power companies and the shaft gets stuck to Joe consumer,,,,coming and going,,,, we pay for the upgrade and they charge us more,,,,,,This is a prime example of BOTH parties selling us out for personal and party profit and GREED. Next election,,,BOTH parties need to taste defeat,,,we need to elect ALL Independent candidates,,,,and send a VERY clear message to BOTH parties,,,,you have MISERABLY FAILED at representing the people of this country,in fact you have entered a conspiracy with the lobby dollar we cannot forgive,,,,,R.I H. BOTH PARTIES,,,that’s Rot In Hades.

“Utilities are heavily regulated (oh no, how socialist!), and in many cases their profits are limited.”
Not socialist at all. Public utilites (local electrical generation, water, sewer, and a number of other services) are what economists call “natural monopolies”–an unrestrained free market would naturally tend to a monopoly survivor, after much inefficient turmoil. The sensible decision has been made (long ago, and with no known dispute) that it is most efficient to grant a monopoly franchise to a single supplier, and since unfettered monopoly pricing is decidely inefficient, to regulate the rate that the supplier may charge the consumer.
It is interesting to recognize that such rate regulation allows for a “reasonable return on investment,” which is typically in the range of 6 to 8 percent–much higher than the ROI of, say, health insurance companies.
And why do the regulators allow for such a return? Well, ask yourself: if they didn’t, who would invest in the construction of the next power plant, or sewer system, or cable TV franchise?

“The study that 98% of Global Warming alarmists cite has been proven to be a fraud, the data cherry picked & then destroyed by the government funded researchers.”
Posted by: A. Lincoln | Oct 27, 2009 7:16:13 PM
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What study are you referring to?

Just for the record..the earth is cooling not warming. We are going to have a very very cold winter. 1998 wasn’t the warmest for the last 100 years, not even close and Nasa had to retract this little lie. Several years were warmer. Even so, none of the years were out of the earths normal temperature range and in fact the earth has many periods of years being warmer since well before man Carbon—hence Vineland and Greenlands names reflecting their once milder climate. And for pete’s sake—the Polar bears are not going extinct. They actually have many more bears now than just a few years ago who are now feeding themselves by gobbling up massive number of baby seals despite Gore and his crooked friends trying to give children nightmares.

This whole Gorebull and now Obama carbon scam is meant to usher in a world order (see Obama’s climate agreement in December) and force the Us to redistribute wealth to 3 rd word nations and the ubber rich marxist/communist bankers wanting to rule the world after divinding it into the ubbers and the rest of us serf, but first they have to kill off the American middle class hence the carbon tax nonsense. Exxon/Enron/Ge/goldman Sachs/George Soros/Gore/Obama stand to make billions and are working to screw the rest of us under this new Green (which really the old Reds) scam.

Julieterra: I really don’t want you to answer because that might expose you to some stalker or something, but I do wonder: Where do you live?
Got any big fields near you? How would you feel about a power company setting up 100s of solar panels in the local park?
Or what about wind turbines? Let’s put a few 100 of those near your home. Have you ever visited a ‘wind farm’? Of course you would have to have been there when the wind was actually blowing. But do you have any idea how totally irritating that sound is?
Everyone talks great when it comes to these types of power sources. At least until they come to your neighborhood.
New power alternates are great. We need them. But none of them are reliable. Some of you folks probably think he can, but the President can’t make the sunshine and he can’t make the wind blow.
We need to be concentrating NOW on reliable power sources that can be improved to reduce pollution.

The utility companies must be loving this……As far as the “Man on the Moon” context; Obama is not Kennedy or FDR, no matter how hard he wants us to think it.

The AP story is a cherry picked joke. If I sent in numbers 2, 4, 6, 8 what would the next number be? You learn that in grade 2. You hardly need a statistician to figure that out. However, if I send in 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7,6, 6, 6, 6, 6 and then do a linear fit, I still get a RISING TREND even though nearly half the numbers are flat.
Government destroyed data: seems to be a common problem – NASA, NOA and HadCrut (UK Met) have all claimed the “dog” ate their homework when presented with Freedom of Information requests for their data. There used to be 6000 remote weather stations in the US, now there are just over 1000 and they often “interpolate” other stations data to fill in missing station data, Plus if you look at the “adjusted” temperature data you will find it has recently been adjusted uniformly upwards to account for Urban Heat Island effect and much of the raw data has become “unavailable”. It has been claimed that the upward adjustment is justified for “time of day” measurements but really it that were true, with a large number of data points that should cancel out. Many stations are in an Urban setting and either the older data should be adjusted upwards, or the urbanized data should be adjusted down …. or what the heck, don’t adjust it at all and let the chips fall where they may.
But they don’t, they adjust it, and got knows why. Now no one has access to good data. Thanks James. Thanks HadCrut.
Who to you trust? I trust the snow outside. I can see it, I can feel it. Last spring 6 inch snow fall where I live was the last week of April. Most recent 6 inch snowfall was the end of September and it hit 20 below C. I suppose you could call this an anomaly … but it seems to happen every year where I live in the Greate White North.
Have a good day, eh?