Obama Pushes Small Business Aid, Says the American Dream Needs a Loan
ABC News' Rachel Martin reports:
President Obama invoked the American dream in his weekly address today — putting the spotlight on small businesses and his efforts to get these businesses the credit they need to grow.
These are the millions of Americans who "embody the spirit of possibility, the relentless work ethic and the hope for something better," the president said.
But he noted that this segment of the population has been hardest hit by the current recession.
"Over the past couple of years, small businesses have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs," he said. "Many have struggled to get the loans they need to finance their inventories and make payroll. Many entrepreneurs can’t get financing to start a small business in the first place. And many more are discouraged from even trying because of the crushing costs of health care."
While the focus of his remarks were on the need for small businesses to access better lines of credit, the president worked in another pitch for health care reform.
"In addition, our health reform plan will allow small businesses to buy insurance for their employees through an insurance exchange, which may offer better coverage at lower costs – and we’ll provide tax credits for those that choose to do so," he said.
President Obama said small businesses are the key to economic recovery, adding that if they are going to grow, they need help.
To that end, the president called on Congress to "increase the maximum size of various SBA loans, so that more small business owners can set up shop and grow their operations. I also announced that we’ll be taking additional steps through our financial stability plan to make more credit available to the small local and community banks that so many small businesses depend on."
The president said that though large businesses are back on solid ground with the help of the stimulus bill, small businesses are still struggling.
"These are the very taxpayers who stood by America’s banks in a crisis – and now it’s time for our banks to stand by creditworthy small businesses and make the loans they need to open their doors, grow their operations, and create new jobs," he said. "It’s time for those banks to fulfill their responsibility to help ensure a wider recovery, a more secure system and more broadly shared prosperity."
And any real, long term economic recovery, he said, means building up the American middle class and the small businesspeople who built it.
"This country was built by dreamers," President Obama said. "They’re the workers who took a chance on their desire to be their own boss, the part-time inventors who became the full-time entrepreneurs, the men and women who have helped build the American middle class, keeping alive that most American of ideals. … We need to do everything we can to ensure that they can keep taking those risks, acting on those dreams, and building the enterprises that fuel our economy and make us who we are."
–Rachel Martin
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The best thing Obama could do for small business is get off his arse and push for a strong public option in the health care bill.
Thousands of entrepreneurs are shackled to their dead end jobs because they don’t want to lose their health insurance.
Its time to unleash that pent up potential by smacking down the conservadems and whipping them into line.
Posted by: Flash Override | October 24, 2009, 7:28 am 7:28 am
How about reducing taxes and regulations? How about stopping the headlong rush to pile ever more mandates on business owners? How about doing things to decrease the cost of energy rather than increase it? Why hire someone when they come with dozens of obligations unrelated to their new jobs and are harder to lay off? Why invest in a business whenn the profits will be taxed away?
Posted by: mesquito | October 24, 2009, 7:33 am 7:33 am
So I guess the banks then get to dictate salaries at those small businesses?
Oh- and Flash Override – a public option is not the answer. A restructuring to move insurance away from a benefit to a purchase is the answer. Permitting insurance companies to cross state lines would then help bring down premiums as would permitting purchasing co-ops (not healthcare co-ops that act as insurance companies).
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 24, 2009, 7:45 am 7:45 am
This guy obama is amazing. Just another lie coming out of his mouth like transparency, bipatisan government and no taxes for families making under 250,000. He is encouraging small business with his words but his actions with the burdens of health care taxes and cap and trade legislation prohibits small business to exist. Obama you cant tax people and place all the restrictions with a cap and trade bill on people and expect them to be able to afford to survive.
Posted by: ray | October 24, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am
The only dream Obama thinks about is his own.
He has done nothing to help small business. Wait until health care and cap/trade are passed.
Small businesses will be forced to fire more people. I hope the first to go are Obama supporters.
Posted by: ollie | October 24, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am
I wonder if he will control the small businesses, if they get SBA loans like is now with the banks,GM and others? I think we have seen this movie before, in Germany in the 30′s. While he may not be that person, he certainly is acting like him on social policies. I think people are finally waking up and paying attention to he is doing, not saying. He did tell us he would change this country and he meant it. Stop printing money and other America destroying actions before it is too late. One payor health care an cap and trade, UN climate control agreements that are based on false assumptions will further bury America and take our freedoms.IS that his plan? Is he our President or the world’s? Is America a great place or evil? Obama says how sorry we are while having white house parties jetting all over the world and giving our money to others. Reading miranda rights to terrorists, bringing Gitmo terrorists to America, denying troops to our soldiers, etc…..Is this what America wants? I think not.
Posted by: Steve | October 24, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Obama sure has made the dreams of his pals on Wall Street come true.
They donate to get him elected then he stuffs their pockets with enormous bonuses guaranteed by the stimulus that he signed–without reading it.
Obama’s fake outrage at Wall Street–it was so effective they paid big bucks to hear him fuss at them–wink wink.
Posted by: larry | October 24, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
@ellsbells930
You have somehow been convinced that insurance companies cannot cross state lines. Your information source is suspect, for feeding you a load of doodoo.
Insurance companies can sell insurance anywhere they want, as long as they comply with the regulations of the state they are selling in.
Posted by: Flash Override | October 24, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Sure…
Cap and trade and health care fees will
help a lot.
And Nancy’s VAT tax will help us all.
Liars
Posted by: millie | October 24, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
For crying out loud… it was ACORN, Obama, Barney Frank, etc. telling the banks who to make loans to that got us into this mess. Keep Obama and ACORN away from the banks.
Posted by: paul | October 24, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
It was the same words that got all of us into the mortgage mess. All he need to do is cut tax. Stop pushing banks into bad loans and punish them later. Such a fake.
Posted by: Jackie | October 24, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 .
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
American business doesn’t need a loan, what they need is the level playing field that the WTO (of which the US is an active member) was supposed to provide.
What American business needs is for companies like WalBarf to quit reqiring vendors make their products in China!
What they need is for the US Government to quit selling out the American people and business and quit forcing and worse yet encouraging American business to make their products outside the US.
The more in debt the US Government gets the more they owe China who is the US’s Banker.
Posted by: CC | October 24, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
“…The best thing Obama could do for small business is get off his arse and push for a strong public option in the health care bill…”
Are you a small business owner? If so, you’re the only one I’ve heard who thinks that. Every government mandate is harder to absorb financially by a small company than by a big one.
Posted by: Yehudit | October 24, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Are you a small business owner? If so, you’re the only one I’ve heard who thinks that. Every government mandate is harder to absorb financially by a small company than by a big one.
Posted by: Yehudit | Oct 24, 2009 10:25:15 AM
My husband owns a small business (18 employees) and I’m self employed. We both support health insurance reform and a national insurance exchange with a robust public option.
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Government mandates hurt small businesses. Over taxation and over regulation stunt real growth and real expansion (hiring new workers). Being a small business owner is a risk. Why would businesses take risks given the uncertainty of more government mandates, more government regulations and the current administration’s penchant for heavy handedness in private enterprise. The President can talk all he wants about helping small businesses and creating jobs but let’s face it, he has never created or run anything that requires the kind of risk that starting your business does. Mr. Obama’s career has been all about how to get government to pay for things; to suck the slop from the trough. He has never really put the feed in and has no idea what he is talking about. Businesses clearly understand this or we would be seeing signs of job recovery by now. The uncertainty created by the administration’s overreaching, systemic altering agenda has sent businesses into the fox hole until they can be sure that all their hard work will not be demonized as greed and taken by an arbitrary politically motivated authority.
Posted by: bct | October 24, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
I’m glad that someone (Obama) is finally speaking up for the small business man. Unfortunately, it is too little, too late for me. I’ve been on a rice and beans diet for nearly six months (along with my wife and children). The old “ground zero” was at the twin towers in NY. The new “ground zero” is main street America and my home.
Posted by: wickedblackjack | October 24, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Flash Override – I am not misinformed. I worked in healthcare finance for 20 years.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 24, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Yes, let’s regulate the hell out of small businesses so that government (Obama) can come to the rescue! Has he been fitted for his cape yet? Government will tell small business you MUST provide healthcare coverage for your employees or we’ll just take a percentage of payroll and provide it for you. More intervention. Can you believe how far we’ve fallen and we’re not even to Halloween with this pres.?
Posted by: s | October 24, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
The eminently predictable consequences of the Pay Tsar’s intervention:
“The best and brightest find better-paying jobs elsewhere because they are the best and brightest. What does that leave behind? Usually, either people who can’t afford to check out because of their age, or people who simply can’t compete in the open job market because of a lack of marketable skills, accomplishment, or experience. Of course, this describes exactly what has happened to the firms in which American taxpayers have invested hundreds of billions of dollars.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“Thousands of entrepreneurs are shackled to their dead end jobs because they don’t want to lose their health insurance.”
In general, entrepreneurs are not found in dead end jobs. But why is anyone shackled to his job because of fear of losing his health insurance? Because the US Congress made it that way through the tax code,
So what’s the congressional prescription for addressing the disastrous consequences of a previous intervention? Why, more intervention, of course. And the serfs are all hot for it, as serfs always are.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
“Insurance companies can sell insurance anywhere they want, as long as they comply with the regulations of the state they are selling in.”
What that means is, there’s no interstate competition. No New Yorker can buy a policy anywhere that does not satisfy all of the New York legislature’s mandates for insurance policies–every policy must cover podiatry, substance-abuse counseling, in vitro fertilization, and all the other doodads and curlicues that the special-interest lobbyists in New York have inserted through the legislature.
And why is this so? Again, look to the US Congress; this time it’s the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945. And the solution, as always, is more, not less, congressional intervention. This time they’re finally gonna get it right, by golly!
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
And why is this so? Again, look to the US Congress; this time it’s the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945. And the solution, as always, is more, not less, congressional intervention. This time they’re finally gonna get it right, by golly!
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 11:19:49 AM
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And who, Fascist, hasn’t wanted to repeal their anti-trust exemptions via that very act? And who is pushing to repeal that? Perhaps interstate competition will be allowed on a national exchange with federal regulation and alongside a robust public option– eventually– per your preference. :>)
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Alyson, I can appreciate that you and your husband are worn out by trying to figure out how to handle your employees healthcare needs but the public option is not free. It will not relieve your cost burden. It will only take away your control and increase your taxes. Now, businesses can compare plans and negotiate rates. This should be expanded so there are more options and more competition. That’s how rates get lowered. Part of the problem is the lack of cross selling due to a hodge podge of state regulations and part of the problem is industry consolidation. The President is right that healthcare should not be a monopoly – private or public. However, the so called public option will be paid for by increasing your taxes. So you will still be paying for your employees healthcare but will have no say in how the money is spent.
Posted by: bct | October 24, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
It’s pretty obvious most of those commenting have no experience in business operations and are only seeking to grind a political axe.
The cost of health insurance has been an issue for small business owners for decades and continues to get worse. Many small business owners can’t afford good coverage (or in some cases any coverage) for their employees and as a result see higher turnover due to employees who would like to remain but who must leave to seek better benefits.
This was true going back at least to the eighties, and only continues to get worse.
As for loans, that’s exactly what they need. Businesses in general need loans to survive, and those who are saying they don’t have obviously never run one. In addition to money needed for expansion, even the most successful businesses run into short term cashflow issues, and that’s why they sometimes need loans.
Most banks are no longer interested in giving these loans, so what other options are there?
Posted by: Fulminata | October 24, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
For those who haven’t been following along, here’s how a public option will “compete” with private insurers:
Since every private policy will be required to conform to federal mandates, the insurers will be limited to offering a handful of options (so much for increasing consumer choice). All of those policies will be “guaranteed issue” (you don’t have to buy any insurance until you are sick or injured), and all will be “community rated” (insurers will not be permitted to take into account the differing risk of loss posed by different insureds).
So the young and healthy will not take part (the penalties for not buying insurance are less than the premiums), and the premiums for those who do buy will increase far above market levels.
And the more some insureds are forced out of that market by rising premiums, the more the premiums will have to rise to cover the risks, and the private insurance industry is in a death spiral.
This is what Obama meant when he said single-payer will come about in ten or twenty years. It’s what the designer of the public option stated was his intention, and it’s what Barney Frank says will happen. But it doesn’t take an Obama or a Barney to tell us what will happen; any economist can tell us.
So your grandchildren will be looking at a single-payer system, and they will take what the congress tells them they will take, period.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
The cost of health insurance has been an issue for small business owners for decades and continues to get worse
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Yes, the cost of health insurance is a burden for small business owners.
How do you expect a public option to make that change?
Posted by: MayBee | October 24, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Alyson, I can appreciate that you and your husband are worn out by trying to figure out how to handle your employees healthcare needs but the public option is not free.
Posted by: bct | Oct 24, 2009 11:25:23 AM
Silly rabbit. You act like I’m naive and think that ANYTHING is free. Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I worked in health insurance and managed care for 16 years, moonlighting for the last five of those years so I could venture out on my own. We actually don’t know which version of the public option will make it into the bill yet, but if it’s done correctly it would absolutely reduce premium costs for those who opt, or are eligible, to use it. I also will have the choice of picking something else entirely, another product on the national insurance exchange. It’s unlikely my taxes will be increased measurably, but if they are the savings given pre-existing condition reforms alone will offset the increase in taxes– and I believe the cost of the status quo is very dangerous. Want to talk medical inflation and rising premium costs and projections? Want to talk price-fixing and recision on performace evals?
I think the idea that we have so much choice when it comes to the status quo is pretty funny. We have very little control over what gets paid for, what rate gets paid or what gets deemed medically necessary. Sure, we can pick which policy we buy, but have you ever worked for an insurance broker and compared health insurance policies in both the individual and small group markets in detail? Sigh. Choice. That’s one of the funniest canards for the status quo out of many, many funny canards.
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
“And who, Fascist, hasn’t wanted to repeal their anti-trust exemptions via that very act?”
I hate to disillusion you, but the insurance anti-trust exemption has no bearing whatsoever on health insurance companies (Harry Reid wants you to think otherwise, but he knows how easy it is to fool the serfs). It was enacted to allow property and casualty insurers and malpractice insurers to share risk-of-loss data without fear of running afoul of the Sherman Act, with the result that premiums were lowered. If it were repealed tomorrow it would have no effect at all on health insurers, who are subject to the same prohibitions against price-fixing, concerted refusals to deal, monopolization and attempted monopolization that cover all other American businesses. I for one couldn’t care less if they repeal it; let them go ahead and then we can all see the results.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
I should add that, without the McCarran-Ferguson Act, it would be unconstitutional for any state to impose burdens on out-of-state competition (see, Interstate Commerce Clause).
It all seems quite quaint and originalist nowadays, but until 1944 the Supreme Court had not held health insurance to be interstate commerce. So the Congress reacted the following year.
But this time around they’ll get it all right, for sure. And if they don’t? Well, tough darts.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
“…interstate competition will be allowed on a national exchange with federal regulation and alongside a robust public option– eventually– per your preference.”
You have misstated my preference. I do not consider it competition at all when one of the “competitors” (the government) sets the terms under which others will be permitted to “compete.” Obama knows, and Barney Frank knows, and I know that the end result will be a single-payer system, in which all consumer choice and all competition will be gone.
Check out the British model.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Check out the British model.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 11:52:30 AM
Check out the French and Swiss models as those are more relevant– and while you’re at it, get care in France. It’s excellent :>)
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 11:57 am 11:57 am
“I think the idea that we have so much choice when it comes to the status quo is pretty funny. We have very little control over what gets paid for, what rate gets paid or what gets deemed medically necessary.”
You probably would welcome the chance to choose from among the 305 different federal employee benefit plans that are available. But you can’t, because the congress won’t let you. If the ban on interstate sales were lifted tomorrow, those would all be available to you.
And what sort of control do you think you would have over what gets paid for, what is medically necessary, etc. under the public option?
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
All you naysayers and doomsayers of what is going to happen are not helping. Your comments are tantamount to saying that we should just leave everything as is. The current situation IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. If you disagree, then WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? I admire those that come up with an idea to resolve the problem, but just get annoyed with those who explain why it won’t work. Explaining why something won’t work is easy, so everyone, please take their comments with a grain of salt.
Posted by: cal | October 24, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
What happened to America? When you look at Congress we see nothing but self serving people whose main job is to keep their job, perks and make as much money as they can. They are not there for the people, those days are gone. Obama is an excellent example, here is a man who has never done anything but makes speeches and quarter back anyone who has done anything and he is our president. We elected him. Nothing more than a shoe shine and a hair cut.
Obama is not alone and he did not create this problem. Just look at Pelosi, Reid, Franks, you know the list. If we don’t do something soon we will soon be no better than Mexico (unfixable).
Congress past laws or eliminated laws that sent our jobs over seas by the millions and allowed large corporations to control markets i.e.; energy, insurance, medical practices and on and on. They reversed the laws from what was to what we have now.
We put drug users in prison, these are sick people and should be treated differently but that would require thought and consideration. Prisons are now big business.
Today we are left with finger pointers not doers. Take health care – they are not fixing health for to fix health care you pass laws against the very people who give them millions every year.
Here are a couple of ideas I would suggest:
1. Release all drug users from prison – keep the pushers in jail. Send the users to closed down military bases to clean up/learn a skill in other words help them get on there feet. This would also create jobs for people who run these centers.
2. Require states and our country to stay within their budgets and not allow them to brain storm raising taxes on sewers – driving tickets etc. If they can afford it they can’t buy it – just like us.
3. Bring all our troops home right now – cut off all these Middle East countries from visiting the United States until they get their collective act together. Until they denounce terrorists and rid the world of these animals after all they are their people.
4. As far as these leaving theses countries let them fight to join the human race. If they want to live in the stone ages let them. Spend the money on our homeless situation and vets.
Posted by: a citizen | October 24, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
“Your comments are tantamount to saying that we should just leave everything as is.”
Simply not true. I think the current situation is abominable, and it’s entirely due to misguided federal policies that have divorced the consumer entirely from all considerations of medical costs. The solutions that I and many others have proposed include the following:
(1) Uncouple the irrational connection between employment and health insurance by affording individual policies the same tax treatment as is given to employer-based policies.
(2) Allow consumers to buy any policy from insurers in any state, just as they do with auto insurance, life insurance, fire insurance, etc.
(3) Institute tort reforms along the lines of those in California and Texas.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
You probably would welcome the chance to choose from among the 305 different federal employee benefit plans that are available….
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 11:59:11 AM
Actually, Fascist, what I’m telling you is that the ideologues who really, really want to be able to see free market solutions for everything and anything are reaching, REACHING, when they pretend the health insurance market, even across state lines, offers up all kinds of choice and consumer control. It cracks me up. It’s so false. I’d love for them to spend hours comparing the details, filling out requests for proposals from clients and laud the “choice” and “control.” You all can pretend till pigs fly, but it’s a bunch of baloney.
Also, you’re understanding of the public option and McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 are faulty. I point that out to those who read the comments and are confused. Google both folks, go to nonpartisan health care blogs, what you’re getting here isn’t accurate.
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
I like FH’s ideas.
Off the top of my head, I would add-
create a national pool for catastrophic coverage
perhaps a voucher system for people who truly can’t afford insurance, or people who do not have employer based coverage & have preexisting conditions that make coverage too expensive for them.
The gov’t could also increase the allowable tax deductions for medical expenses.
Posted by: MayBee | October 24, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I’m sure that’s gonna fly – especially in light of the fact that the policies being put in place by O and his cronies do nothing but (financially) penalize small business. Let’s see – “I’m going to take more of your money but I’ll make it a little easier for you to borrow it back”.
Posted by: gonzogirl55 | October 24, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
The government is never going to cut spending, so we might as well give up on that and just find ways to ever raise taxes.
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I don’t argue that at all. Nice baloney– but I’m vegetarian so save it for somebody else. I argue for universal, progressive 21st century health care, and some investment in our future– energy alternatives, smart environmental policy, strong infrastructure, high speed rail, being more competitive in the global marketplace– and I’m sick of kicking that down the road as we have since the 70s. I don’t want my kids to be having the same arguments. Time to make progress, move on.
I believe the government can cut spending, and once we get out of this mess we should. I didn’t vote for the dude who started two wars on borrowed money while simultaneously cutting taxes with no corresponding cut in spending. Back in 2000 I voted for the guy from the admin that created jobs, worked on the big ole deficits the GOP like so much and increased the middle class.
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
I hate to disillusion you, but the insurance anti-trust exemption has no bearing whatsoever on health insurance companies (Harry Reid wants you to think otherwise, but he knows how easy it is to fool the serfs). It was enacted to allow property and casualty insurers and malpractice insurers to share risk-of-loss data without fear of running afoul of the Sherman Act, with the result that premiums were lowered. If it were repealed tomorrow it would have no effect at all on health insurers, who are subject to the same prohibitions against price-fixing, concerted refusals to deal, monopolization and attempted monopolization that cover all other American businesses.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 11:44:56 AM
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Really?
That’s not what Christine Varney, Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust at the United States Department of Justice, says.
Christine Varney indicated “there could be real enforcement of the antitrust laws in states where one insurer dominates the market”. Oh, by the way, 15 states have one insurer that has ½ or more of the entire market, and in seven states, a single insurer has 75 percent or more.
Varney said “The McCarran-Ferguson Act antitrust exemption is very expansive with regard to anything that can be said to fall within ‘the business of insurance’, including premium pricing and market allocations. As a result, the most egregiously anticompetitive claims, such as naked agreements fixing price or reducing coverage, are virtually always found immune.”
But, what does she know…she’s just the 600 pound gorilla in the room!
Posted by: ErnestNM | October 24, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Yes, the cost of health insurance is a burden for small business owners.
How do you expect a public option to make that change?
Posted by: MayBee | Oct 24, 2009 11:36:54 AM
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Health care premiums for small businesses are on average 18 percent higher than those of large businesses and the average growth of health care premiums for small business owners was between 20-24% in 2008. The public option offers a bigger pool to share risk, and that alone will make it more affordable to offer employees benefits on par with larger businesses, create jobs and so on.
It has nothing to do with being free, Concerned in Ohio. It won’t be free– small business owners will still pay in. You sound very uninformed about both health care reform and small business.
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
“‘These are the very taxpayers who stood by America’s banks in a crisis — and now it’s time for our banks to stand by creditworthy small businesses and make the loans they need to open their doors..’” First, how is a business that isn’t yet open deemed “creditworthy” or not? Second, don’t half of new businesses fail in the first couple years? The financial sector is in essence put on notice to be profitable and avoid risky investments, and yet at the same time are told to risk their capital this manner? That aside, banks are already advertising that they have small business loans available, at least where I live. The reminds me of the king at the end of “Dragonslayer” putting his sword into the carcass of Vermithrax so the he can be heralded as the hero.
Posted by: Publius | October 24, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Why doesn’t the current health insurance market offer up all kinds of consumer choice?
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 24, 2009 12:51:30 PM
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I can give you a better answer later if you’re genuinely interested (my son has a birthday party to go to in 20 minutes and they’re wearing costumes, so I have to sign off here momentarily) but in brief if you run a comparison sheet of the available small business plans in a given market– comparing coverage, cost, etc, there are very few differences and they typically use the same medical necessity standards and the rates are similar, especially if you have an employee or two with a given pre-existing condition. There are more choices for big groups, but the differences are still much less than people seem to think as a variation of price fixing and so on does happen. Even the wording when it comes to coverage is almost exact, and at this point most PPO’s have all the same providers in their networks. At the begining of the managed care thrust there were some differences there, but they’ve pretty much evened out.
If there was a way to really put some true competition in there, I’d be willing to look at that, make sure it was real and support it, actually. But right now it’s not a real “pro” for any side of the argument. And deregulation alone opens the door to a boatload of potential problems that someone will take advantage of and exploit– so you can’t deregulate as much as some people root for.
Anyway… more later if the discussion is still going.
Posted by: Alyson | October 24, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
…The solutions that I and many others have proposed include the following:
(1) Uncouple the irrational connection between employment and health insurance by affording individual policies the same tax treatment as is given to employer-based policies.
(2) Allow consumers to buy any policy from insurers in any state, just as they do with auto insurance, life insurance, fire insurance, etc.
(3) Institute tort reforms along the lines of those in California and Texas.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 12:11:37 PM
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1) Are you saying tax breaks for the insured? Well, that ultimately ends up back in the insurance companies pockets since they can now increase the premiums…since the premiums are now subsidized.
2) I think that will be the end result of repealing the anti-trust exemption and makes good sense.
3) Well, good idea for the remaining 2% or so of overall healthcare costs. But, right now we are concentrating on their 15%-20% (if not much higher) profit and overhead problem.
Posted by: ErnestNM | October 24, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Alyson said “get care in France. It’s excellent :>)” Tell that to Princess Diana..oh wait.. you can’t… she’s dead.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 24, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Mr. Obama is pro something when political risks are low and anti when they are high. There’s nothing magical in his thinking or decision making process. He’s very predictable. It looks like he will adopt General McChrystal’s increase of troops with some angle to blame if it fails in the coming weeks.
Posted by: young_voter | October 24, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
BLAH BLAH BLAH…. another Saturday another BO Infomercial…………. just more BO propaganda promoted by ABC…….. isnt it great how ABC helps BO promote his agenda….
Posted by: Vet1973 | October 24, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Ya know ABC… it would be a lot cheaper for you just to post the BO Infomercial, and get rid of this so called Journalist……….
Posted by: Vet1973 | October 24, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Ya know ABC… it would be a lot cheaper for you just to post the BO Infomercial, and get rid of this so called Journalist……….
Today, October 24, 2009, 11:28:09 AM | Vet1973
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That’s what I’m hoping for.
We need a counter to FOX.
Posted by: ErnestNM | October 24, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Make sure you all go over to Drudge Report and read the article about Obama fulfilling his promise to the Muslim nations by appropriating money to their education and technology development. Isn’t that nice of Mr. Obama? A total of 25-150 million dollars. The man is totally obsessed with joining America and the Muslim world together whether anyone likes it or not.
I would hope that the liberals will stand up for their mantra of separation of church and state and stop the funds going out. Or maybe next week Mr. Obama can find some more money to help support exclusively Christian businesses in the US as well. Just to be fair, right?
Posted by: Shoe | October 24, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
As far as I can tell, the health care proposals will cost my company and my employees more money, as much as $200 more per month.
Our lowest paid staff is over 400$ of the Federal poverty levels. Blending the same rates for males and females as well as the other options will increase out costs to provide coverage.
under this scenario, I would be cheaper, either under the house or teh senate plans, to drop our group coverage and pay the penalty. Our workers will then pay even more $$.
I thought health care reform was supposed to reduce the total percentage of GDP spent on health care. All I can tell its more money and more debt.
Posted by: scott jeffries | October 24, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
And if they decide the current employee penalites are not high enough, we would have to cut out workers to pay for the health care reform.
Reform as being presented in Congress now is going to cost everyone mroe and cost American workers jobs.
Health care works in public option health care providers, watch out as your remibursements get slashed to medicare rates. YOu think you are over worked and underpaid now, just wait for the Pelosi Plan to hit your walltet!
Posted by: scott jeffries | October 24, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Alyson said “get care in France. It’s excellent :>)” Tell that to Princess Diana..oh wait.. you can’t… she’s dead.
Posted by: ellsbells930
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Good Post
Posted by: mickey maoist | October 24, 2009, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
The reason that a few insurers have come to dominate the market in some states is precisely because they do not face competition from outside the state. They have had oligoply status conferred on them by congress.
Let Ms. Barney say whatever she likes. If she thinks she has an antitrust action against the insurers, let her bring it.
The value of the health insurance provided by employers is not taxed to the employee. Anyone buying an individual policy must do so with after-tax dollars. If you think that is either rational or fair, you are entitled to your opinion, I guess. If equal tax treatment were afforded, the money would not simply go into the insurers’ pockets any more than it does with employer-provided insurance–the premiums are constrained by market competition.
You can assume, if you like, that somehow a uniquely immoral and avaricious group of people have somehow chosen to go into the health insurance business. On the other hand, you might want to consider that they are ordinary Americans, every bit as honorable as you are, who are behaving rationally within a grotsquely distorted system whose distortions are directly traceable to the US congress.
Why anyone believes that the solution is additional, extraordinarily complex congressional intervention is simply beyond my understanding But the serf and the yokel always believe that people more clever than themselves are out to screw them, that they can’t possibly fend fot themselves, and that their salvation lies with the congress.
Look where it has got them.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
*Ms. Varney*
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
i’m sure the idiots who voted this scumbag into office take great comfort in knowing how close the country is to total reliance on the feds and socialism.
a chinese friend and associate business owner said he left china because of this very crap that o is doing now.
they are in our entire finance market and banks, trying to get into our health system, and now the very backbone of the country – small business.
Posted by: Joseph Chainpuller | October 24, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
My guess then is that the next gambling slot machine for the bailed out banks is CIT.
Posted by: Huh | October 24, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Why would a small business want to grow into a big business? Look how the government treats the big ones…
Posted by: RM | October 24, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
“France has great care.”
Sure they do. Six years ago 14,803 Parisians died in a heat wave for lack of medical care.
Might as well know what lies in store for you.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
BO stop growing your huge government, cut taxes, allow tort reform and interstate competition between insurers! Quit opening your mouth and do!
Posted by: Justme8811 | October 24, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
The issue is that there is so much more demand for credit then credit available (as we are in this ice age of financing) that these banks can get good interest rates in investments that have really no risk. Why would they want to invest in small businesses?
I don’t see how hard it would be for the government to solve this with legislation, just giving banks a lower interest rate.
Maybe the government should just act as the “loan mechanism” allowing small businesses to defer some of their taxes. Just use tax policy for this.
Obama needs to figure something out.
He could always tie it into health care. With Health Care Reform, somehow cover the health care costs of new hires for three months?
The payroll tax the businesses have to pay 7.75% of payroll, this could just be deferred for 6 months.
They need to find something.
Posted by: Dave Colman | October 24, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Have all of you republican’s gone mad? You’re supposed to support small business. You’re always yelling on behalf of small business. Now when they turn attn. to small business you continue to gripe? It’s official. You simply wish our country would implode so your party can rule again.
Posted by: secondlook | October 24, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Tell that to Princess Diana..oh wait.. you can’t… she’s dead.
Posted by: ellsbells930
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Good Post
Posted by: mickey maoist | Oct 24, 2009 1:43:56 PM
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The party of Beavis and Butthead?
Posted by: "I'm way cool Beavis, but I cannot change the future." | October 24, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Is this not what got us into trouble to start with? too much credit,given too easily,for too big of dreams?How about a Tax cut? for corporate,small and individuals? Never heard of a Tax cut getting a business or individual into trouble.
Posted by: marion | October 24, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“France has great care.”
Sure they do. Six years ago 14,803 Parisians died in a heat wave for lack of medical care.
Might as well know what lies in store for you.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 2:25:11 PM
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Why should we worry about France when we already have (44,789) deaths (4 times as many as France), each year in the USA, due to our “lack of medical care”.
Check it out in the Harvard peer-reviewed “American Journal of Public Health”, December 2009, Vol 99, No. 12.
It’s titled “Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults” and authored by Andrew P. Wilper, MD, MPH, Steffie Woolhandler, MD, MPH, Karen E. Lasser, MD, MPH, Danny McCormick, MD, MPH, David H. Bor, MD, and David U. Himmelstein, MD.
Looks like France is way ahead of us…don’t you think?
Posted by: ErnestNM | October 24, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Small business loan are vital in this economy to keep some small businesses alive. Small businesses are the lifeblood of our economy in many ways.
Posted by: Jim | October 24, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
“Obama Pushes Small Business Aid, Says the American Dream Needs a Loan”.
I would have to agree with his assessment however it is though people and small businesses are kind of stuck in slow motion or at a standstill. There are too many constraints and uncertainties. When there is little moving on many fronts, most businesses will be loyal to their long term suppliers.
The entrepreneur needs to know what is going to work and not, and when there is little consensus (confidence) of the direction in the economy it becomes a wait and see. You don’t want to commit believing that ‘green shoots and technology’ is going to be the next wave, when we have so many opposed to cap and trade and the direction of our economy.
To show how ludicrous it is, we have some now speaking about Real estate being the new wave, even after everything having occurred. Historically I believe 11 out of the last 12 recessions, RE did lead us out. However I believe this time it has to be infrastructure because we need to build from the bottom up.
I believe the programs we have with the tax credits should be extended because we are starting to see optimism in some segments of the consumer. That sentiment should not be minimized because the psychology of the investor or purchasor of goods is very important. Incentive laden programs need to be looked at in greater depth, and the financial institutions need to open their purse strings again.
It comes down to Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.
Posted by: JR Jake | October 24, 2009, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
I am sorry but this is such a, who is the head of their PR department at the white house.
I agree small bushiness need help but look at how this looks.
We had a story of how the big rich execs have their pay fixed and their bonuses messed with giving big payouts to their execs and what gave the white house the authority again? Oh that’s right because they got taxpayer money in a loan.
So NOW the president says we need to give loans to small business? This looks soooo stupid.
Sure sigh me up!!! I’m sure I would just LOVE to let the GOVT loan ME money right about now. I know many people might have no other choice but WOW.
Does the white house do their little projects in isolation or what? Is there ANY communication or coordination?
This would be funny if were not so tragic.
Posted by: David from WI | October 24, 2009, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
How long do you think it will take the light bulb over the presidents head to go on with the OHHHHH that’s why tax credits are a good idea for businesses.
If we LOAN em money they just have one more bill and might just pass that on to the consumer or have MORE overhead. But if we give a business a ‘tax break’ they can budget for that and NOT have an extea expense as in a LOAN payment.
Explain how tax breaks to businesses are such a HORRIBLE big GOP scam again?
(tax breaks work for everyone … to bad the white house and govt is going to have to raise SOOO much tax to pay for the debt the govt owes)
Posted by: David from WI | October 24, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
…If equal tax treatment were afforded, the money would not simply go into the insurers’ pockets any more than it does with employer-provided insurance–the premiums are constrained by market competition.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 24, 2009 1:46:54 PM
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There’s that ‘the health insurance market is very competitive’ argument again.
Exactly why is it that no one believes that anymore?
Could it be because of the plethora of statistics that show that 94% of the commercial health insurance markets are “highly concentrated” by standards set by the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Dept?
Could it be because of the exorbitant, multi-million dollar Health Insurance Company CEO salaries?
Could it be because of the 100s of millions of dollars spent (each year) by the insurance companies for lobbying and campaign contributions to both political parties?
Could it be that the insurance industry has their lobbyists put out bogus cost estimates (that even their accountants indicate are bogus) the night before crucial votes?
Or is there some other reason you can tell us why nobody believes that the Health Insurance market has an abundance of competition?
Posted by: ErnestNM | October 24, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Two things that Obama should do, but will not, to help small businesses: Drop taxes on everybody and lower the minimum wage….I’d rather be working for less pay than NO pay.
Posted by: Bill | October 24, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
I agree with SHOE: Pull the $150M from the stupid Education/Tech development in the Muslim nations and give it to – now don’t be too shocked now – OUR OWN PEOPLE!!! What the hell? It’s not like Muslim nations are completely devoid of OIL money that we’re stuck giving them hand of fist. (We cannot drill for our own because that’s not PC either.)
Posted by: Bill | October 24, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
“How long do you think it will take the light bulb over the presidents head to go on with the OHHHHH that’s why tax credits are a good idea for businesses.”
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Tax credits for business were included in the Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
Posted by: julieterra | October 24, 2009, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
“This country was built by dreamers,” President Obama said. “They’re the workers who took a chance on their desire to be their own boss, the part-time inventors who became the full-time entrepreneurs, the men and women who have helped build the American middle class, keeping alive that most American of ideals.”
Ah yes, how fondly we reference the good old days when business didn’t have the government in their back pocket trying to direct their every move…
Posted by: Mickey13 | October 24, 2009, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
“Ah yes, how fondly we reference the good old days when business didn’t have the government in their back pocket trying to direct their every move…”
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Yes, the good old days when businesses could pollute, produce and improperly dispose of toxic chemicals or manufacture unsafe products with no bothersome government interference, work their workers 7 days and week 12 hours a day, have them work in unsafe conditions . . . out reveries about the good old days could go on forever . . .
Posted by: julieterra | October 24, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Wow…just…wow. The chief complaint about Pres. Obama’s agenda is that he is leading the US, inexorably, toward Socialism which will, in turn, kill small businesses. He outlines a plan which is designed to prompt banks to extend credit to them. Somehow, the armchair economists and social scientists still find a way to make this a bad thing. If the President were to allocate more funding toward cancer research, you’d complain that curing cancer would put “hard working” doctors out of work. I see the same people on here daily putting up the same tired arguments. It’s easy to spot the philosophical differences. The party without a solution will always seek to shift the focus. How can other industrialized nations can find a way to get this done, yet we cannot? The answer is simple. If Pres. Obama finds a way to pass substantive Healthcare Reform, when this has been brought before, in some fashion, every president since Truman, it will further marginalize the Republican Party. It fits in quite nicely with his “Yes we can” mantra. They are fighting for their political survival. The only ideas that they have presented thus far involve TORT reform ( which by most legitimate estimates, will reduce the burden by less than 2%)and commerce across state lines, an idea that has some merit, but will not be the desired “siver bullet”. If there is more, perhaps someone will enlighten me. The reason that you complain about Pres. Obama’s press coverage is that he has a lot on his plate, yet he seems to be taking it in stride. He’s not making snap decisions and he’s looking at the big picture. Now, more than ever, we are a global community. And Pres. Obama enjoys worldwide support for his agenda. And the opposition can’t stand it. So, their only viable option is to discredit everything Obama does and hope that something resonates with the public at large. They don’t realize that we’re smarter than they give us credit for. I know that we live in an age of instant gratification, but no one with a coherent thought would expect that President Obama would cure all of our ills in the first year of his presidency. It’s more likey that, given our current circumstances, we are facing long term challenges. President Obama has demonstrated that he is, at least, a pragmatist. He consults with his experts and makes informed decisions. He is not afraid to talk to his opponents and try to find common ground. He understands that there is no way to please everyone. Yet there is still this fringe element that continues to buy into the B.S. They will only quote a poll that favors them (Rasmussen). They will tout FOX news as a bastion of journalistic integrity. They won’t ever look at a site like Factcheck or Politifact because they are somehow “tied in” to the MSM. A word to the folks that rail against the MSM. If your argument is that the MSM is this evil entity, then you’ve already categorized FOX news as a “fringe” news station. If you are in the “Main Stream”, most of the country thinks the way that you do. FOX news enjoys good ratings because that is the place where the “fringe element” can comiserate.
Posted by: TheLight315 | October 24, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
“Work Ethic” has been dead in the USA for quite sometime and Obama has never done an honest days work in his life.
Posted by: Phil Tweedy | October 24, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
As the owner of a small business, I welcome federal efforts to improve the atmosphere for small businesses, the real engine of the economy and of job creation. Helping to unfreeze credit would be helpful and I applaud the president for such efforts.
But this will not create new jobs in appreciable numbers in the small business world. The president spoke of small businesses needing loans to be able to make payroll and to finance inventory. Businesses in that sort of situation– who don’t have adequate cash flow and money on hand to cover inventory and payroll costs– do not add employees if they can possibly help it. Those businesses are struggling. Many won’t make it long-term. Increased lending to those businesses will perhaps help them through the current rough patch and hopefully enough of them will survive to make it worthwhile to have made the loans.
Many small business owners who are looking for credit these days are instead seeking to expand, to invest in new technologies, to buy up property available at reduced costs due to the recession, etc. Increased lending to those businesses would be a very good thing. Some of them might even add workers, which is something we really need to see start to happen in order to revive the economy.
However, there are plenty of small businesses like my family’s, who do not need a business loan but who are also not currently comfortable expanding and adding employees. There is too much uncertainty out there– what will our future health care costs be after the Congress gets done putting together and passing a reform bill? what will cap-and-trade cost us? what new taxes or tax increases are going to be imposed on us? will card check get a second wind and if so, what shape will it take? I am not the only small business owner I know who is storing nuts away for the winter, rather than spending money unnecessarily or adding employees we can currently do without.
The current administration is not particularly business-friendly. Many small business owners want to have as little to do with the federal government as possible. We are anxious to see what President Obama and his administration have in store for us. Business owners, like markets, crave stability and predictability. The president should continue to find ways to provide that to the people who will ultimately provide most of the new jobs created during his administration.
Posted by: moderate | October 24, 2009, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
to moderate | Oct 24, 2009 9:55:18 PM
re:”There is too much uncertainty out there– ”
There would be uncertainty no matter what course of action was taken. There is a consensus that our current course is not sustainable. What is your solution?
Posted by: TheLight315 | October 24, 2009, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
TheLight315
Good luck with that theory of yours. Explain how as Obamas poll numbers go down the GOPs don’t go up at the same rate?
Its not about the GOP or FOX its about OBAMA… Tell me when Bush was in office… remember those times…was it about the Democrats or Bush for many people? It was about Bush wasn’t it.
Congress has LOW poll numbers and that is both Dems AND the GOP and there are more independents now than in decades… more than Dems or Republicans. So who is more scared of independent voters the party in or out of power. I do know Obama is losing the seniors (you know that group with a LONG memory and a group that NEVER likes being told what to think or do and they DO vote and vote more consistently than any other demographic. Also he is loosing the independent voters and they have NO allegiance to the Democrat OR GOP so his party lines will not work with them.
Sucks to be in charge.
And it sucks to be him right now.
Posted by: David from WI | October 24, 2009, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
TheLight…., you asked me what my solution is. My solution to what, specifically? Health care? The economy? I will be glad to share my opinions. Of course, since I am not an elected official like President Obama or Senator McCain or Speaker Pelosi or a high-ranking administration official like Sec. Geithner or a top advisor like Larry Summers, I have no mechanism for having my proposals implemented on the national level. Still, I will be glad to share my ideas with you, since you asked so nicely.
Posted by: moderate | October 24, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 24, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Presidential Job Approval Ratings
Approve/Disapprove
54/38 Gallup
47/51 Rasmussen Reports
55/43 CNN/Opinion Research
50/46 USA Today/Gallup
57/40 ABC News/Wash Post
49/45 FOX News
53/41 Marist
52.1% / 43.4% RCP Average*
*Don’t be fooled by imitators; this is the REAL RealClearPolitics average.
Posted by: Numeros | October 25, 2009, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Hey Jake,
Is Fox News in fact a ‘sister organization ‘? Re your exchange with Mr. Gibbs: While I can appreciate your noble defense of people with whom you’ve worked in such close proximity in D.C. for a number of years, one would think a savvy political reporter like yourself might have a few questions about Fox and its’ bonafides as an actual news organization after looking at fox.com or even watching Brett Baier do his news hour. Never mind the rants from Beck & Hannity, forget that executives like Bill Sammon and Mike Clemente have described the Fox role as a ‘voice of the opposition’, or that Mr. Ailes openly insulted and mocked President Obama at a public forum. And please, don’t think twice about that Fox producer and camera crew helping those Tea-baggers rehearse before actually being filmed live and……well, I imagine you know what I mean. And Jake, is the Acorn story really, really, really the TOP STORY every day for weeks on end ? Well, it is on Fox News !!
Jake, I understand the camaraderie that you’ve probably developed with some Fox employees in D.C. over a number of years and most people would agree that Shep Smith seems like a solid professional and Chris Wallace can come across as reasonable once in a while. That said, I would respectfully ask that instead of making the Obama administration the story for trying to defend itself against an outfit that constantly runs negative news stories backed up by half-truths and shoddy journalism, ( when it’s not calling President Obama a Communist, a Nazi, a Socialist or comparing him to Stalin)could you perhaps not at least slightly agree and investigate the possibility that perhaps the right-wing attack machine that is Fox News is the real story here ??? You’re a pro Jake, I’m counting on you can to get to the bottom of it !
Best of luck,
EJS
Posted by: Eric S. | October 25, 2009, 1:21 am 1:21 am
“I am not the only small business owner I know who is storing nuts away for the winter”
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Two things, 1) too bad Bush didn’t think this way during the ‘good times’ instead of spending us into mega-debt just in time for a massive economic collapse, 2) it is winter, things have been grim and cold for quite a number of months in the business world – thankfully there has been a slight thaw, and there may be more.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 1:27 am 1:27 am
“It’s time for those banks to fulfill their responsibility to help ensure a wider recovery, a more secure system and more broadly shared prosperity.”
Or what, you gonna have your pals Rahm and Dave pay em a visit? They gonna ‘explain a few things’?
‘You gonna make em a offer they can’t refuse?’
You gonna demonize small banks too? Why stop when you are on a roll?
Posted by: David from WI | October 25, 2009, 3:35 am 3:35 am
Oct. 25 — The economy in the U.S. probably grew in the third quarter at the fastest pace in two years as government stimulus helped bring an end to the worst recession since the 1930s, economists said before reports this week.
The world’s largest economy grew at a 3.2 percent pace from July through September after shrinking the previous four quarters, according to the median estimate of 65 economists surveyed.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 4:44 am 4:44 am
Don’t tell me what I need, Mr. President. Just do your job and make a smaller government so that I have less people to pay their salaries before I can keep some of what I make. Let’s start right there, Sir. BTW, Got any more “Friends” that need more of my money today. I’d like to know how big my tax bill is going to be today. Just how long before I can keep my money today, Mr. President? Noon? 2 O’clock?
Posted by: WhatChange? | October 25, 2009, 6:24 am 6:24 am
Posted by: David from WI | Oct 24, 2009 6:58:52 ************** I’m praying he gets the message pretty soon. I can’t afford much more stimulating.
Posted by: WhatChange? | October 25, 2009, 7:10 am 7:10 am
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t get how any government employee can know better how to spend my money than I do. I mean, I have to pay their salary before I can even pay myself, Mr. President. Explain to me how you know better to spend my money than I do and explain why big expensive government is always better than smaller cheaper government. Thanx, I’ll wait till 2010 and show you and your buddies what I think. Got a job in mind for 2012? Then again, you don’t have to. Your salary goes on for the rest of your life. Just who do I have to thank for that? Oh, those people over there with the foil hats on? I get it now.
Posted by: WhatChange? | October 25, 2009, 7:14 am 7:14 am
Small businesses also need lower taxes, less rules and less paperwork.
Posted by: B | October 25, 2009, 8:16 am 8:16 am
Julieterra,
In spite of the downturn in the housing market in 2007; in spite of the skyrocketing energy prices in 2007; GDP was up 3.2% for 2007. And GDP grew during the first six months of 2008–up an annual rate of 0.9% in the 1st Quarter of 2008; and up an annual rate of 3.3% in the 2nd Quarter of 2008.
Posted by: James Danley | October 25, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am
Eric S – It doesn’t matter whether Jake agrees with FoxNews or not. He knows that if this Administration succeeds in marginalizing FoxNews, it’s just a matter of time before they try and marginalize any news organization who doesn’t report on them favorably. (Sort of like those commercials for the new show ‘V’ …”Don’t ask any questions that paint us in an unfavorable light”)
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 25, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
@Eric S.
Jake won’t answer you without permission from Rush, Hannity or Beck. You are lucky that your comment didn’t get deleted by this Fox “news” immitation. Why do you think readership is so low? TV-watching is what it is all about for the 19% that enjoy Fox, so ABC blogs will never attrack a wide audience. Jake saw an opportunity.
Now you know why Jake had to stand up and be seen. By standing up for his “sister” organization, he furthers his conservative fame. MSM is down the tubes for chasing Fox’s fame.
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Hey Jake,
Is Fox News in fact a ‘sister organization ‘? Re your exchange with Mr. Gibbs: While I can appreciate your noble defense of people with whom you’ve worked in such close proximity in D.C. for a number of years, one would think a savvy political reporter like yourself might have a few questions about Fox and its’ bonafides as an actual news organization after looking at fox.com or even watching Brett Baier do his news hour. Never mind the rants from Beck & Hannity, forget that executives like Bill Sammon and Mike Clemente have described the Fox role as a ‘voice of the opposition’, or that Mr. Ailes openly insulted and mocked President Obama at a public forum. And please, don’t think twice about that Fox producer and camera crew helping those Tea-baggers rehearse before actually being filmed live and……well, I imagine you know what I mean. And Jake, is the Acorn story really, really, really the TOP STORY every day for weeks on end ? Well, it is on Fox News !!
Jake, I understand the camaraderie that you’ve probably developed with some Fox employees in D.C. over a number of years and most people would agree that Shep Smith seems like a solid professional and Chris Wallace can come across as reasonable once in a while. That said, I would respectfully ask that instead of making the Obama administration the story for trying to defend itself against an outfit that constantly runs negative news stories backed up by half-truths and shoddy journalism, ( when it’s not calling President Obama a Communist, a Nazi, a Socialist or comparing him to Stalin)could you perhaps not at least slightly agree and investigate the possibility that perhaps the right-wing attack machine that is Fox News is the real story here ??? You’re a pro Jake, I’m counting on you can to get to the bottom of it !
Best of luck,
EJS
Posted by: Common Sense | October 25, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
If someone doesn’t cut up the nation’s credit card there is no more American Dream!
have you noticed that all the clowns on the hill see the natioal debt doubling and not one has offered any plan to mitigate the debt?
They won’t even talk about it unless cornered, then only offer vague hope about a deficit reduction in the out years. Deficit reduction and the stinkin’ debt not the same.
The debt is a collection of every administration’s deficits even those who with “clever math” pretended to have a surplus!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 25, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Numeros actually seems pleased that Obama’s approval is at 52.1% if you average in several polls of “adults” along with those of voters. I doubt that the White House shares that view.
In any event, I note that the venerable Gallup organization finds that Obama has suffered the largest quarter-to-quarter drop in fifty years.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 25, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
If a “robust public option” means Medicare for all, I am pleased to declare that it will not happen. Given the disastrous fiscal circumstance of the Medicare program, that is very good news for America.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 25, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Please tell me where to go to apply for the small business loans? I have tried many times and have been told I`m in the wrong place…Where`s the right place
Posted by: peg tiedeken | October 25, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Our small business would do much better if taxes and penalties were lower. We are now paying IRS penalties on jobs we did for the government…and haven’t been paid for yet. But taxes are still due. Even allowing a switch to a cash system from accrual would help.
Posted by: JenniI | October 25, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
WASHINGTON — Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They’re all more profitable than the health insurance industry. In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making “immoral” and “obscene” returns while “the bodies pile up.” Ledgers tell a different reality.
(Associated Press)
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 25, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
“They’re all more profitable than the health insurance industry.”
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Let’s see, ‘profits’ doesn’t include the multi-million dollar health insurance executive salaries, nor the multi-million dollar health insurance lobbying campaigns, nor the private jets, nor the paid lobbying vacations, etc.
Oh sure, the health insurance industry is streamlined and fair.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
“Numeros actually seems pleased that Obama’s approval is at 52.1% if you average in several polls of “adults” along with those of voters.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 25, 2009 12:42:35 PM
I listed the approval ratings of the pollsters included in the RCP average – the REAL RCP average. I did not cherry-pick my favorite polls, calculate their average, and then slap the RCP label on the result. That’s your game.
And how were you able to determine my level pleasure of displeasure from what I wrote? I posted approval ratings – period. I did not include my personal opinion. You, on the other hand, have gone so far as to announce your “state of ecstasy” over a negative Zogby presidential approval poll.
Posted by: Numeros | October 25, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
This is the first time I can recall since the Immaculation that Obama is talking about small businesses as being important to the economy. If he had lowered the barriers to them about 7 months ago the job munbers might be telling a different story. But then millions would be safe from unemployment and still have Health Insurance. And that wouldn’t serve the administration’s goal of creating more demand for government provided care.
Posted by: rednorth | October 25, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
“This is the first time I can recall since the Immaculation that Obama is talking about small businesses as being important to the economy. If he had lowered the barriers to them about 7 months ago the job munbers might be telling a different story.”
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There are tax credits and other types of assistance for small business in the Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Julieterra, the multi-million dollar health insurance executive salaries, the multi-million dollar health insurance lobbying campaigns, the private jets, the paid lobbying vacations, etc. CREATE JOBS.
Now when the Obama Administration implements their 90% salary cuts for top executives, that will also mean approxmately a 90% cut in tax revenue from that individual. And guess who is going to have to make up the difference? The middle class!
Posted by: James Danley | October 25, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
“Now when the Obama Administration implements their 90% salary cuts for top executives, that will also mean approxmately a 90% cut in tax revenue from that individual.”
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When the company is already being floated on tax payers dollars, the President is completely correct in not allowing those same companies to be paying astronomical salaries to their top executives.
If the companies want to pay those big salaries, they can first pay back the money they owe the taxpayers.
Then they can pay as much as they want, and those tax dollars you’re moaning will correspond.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Financial education is a necessary step to ensure that the business owner understands the structure of the loan and how successfully manage their business’s debt exposure. I run a small business marketplace that connects business owners to financing options
We frequently receive questions and concerns surrounding a persons eligibility for various lending programs – both conventional and SBA financing. A large majority of business owners do not know the fundamentals of business financial management. For example, yesterday we received a request from an entrepreneur looking to purchase a business with no money down, a poor credit history and little knowledge about the assets involved in the acquisition. Businesses need to know the right questions to ask and access to the fundamentals of financial management. There’s a lot of freely available information and advice from our expert network for business owners. However, I think the government needs to take a lead in launching more seminars and workshops to help businesses scrutinize their finances and growth projections.
Posted by: Biz2Credit | October 25, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Well, then I say that the President, Vice-President, Senators, Representatives, Cabinet Secretaries, Czars AND all of their respective staffs members, should take a 90% cut. ALL of their salaries and staff budgets are from taxpayers money!
Posted by: James Danley | October 25, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Biz2Credit, or these individuals can visit their local ACORN office!
Posted by: James Danley | October 25, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
“Well, then I say that the President, Vice-President, Senators, Representatives, Cabinet Secretaries, Czars AND all of their respective staffs members, should take a 90% cut. ALL of their salaries and staff budgets are from taxpayers money!”
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Obama did freeze senior White House salaries immediately upon taking office.
p.s. – government salaries are supposed to be paid by government money. Astronomical executive salaries of private industry are not.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
If the government is going to mandate executives cut their pay then the government should lead by example.
Posted by: James Danley | October 25, 2009, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
“If the government is going to mandate executives cut their pay then the government should lead by example.”
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Nonsense. Bank executive salaries cut were in the MILLION dollar range.
There is no way corporations floated on taxpayers’ money should be paying executives astronomical salaries, bonuses and perks. When the companies are making great profits and the tax payer has been paid back – fine.
Posted by: julieterra | October 25, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
It’s not the dollar amount, it’s the principle of the thing.
Posted by: James Danley | October 26, 2009, 12:07 am 12:07 am
“It’s not the dollar amount, it’s the principle of the thing.”
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Nonsense, taxpayers don’t want executives paid millions in salaries when their companies are propped up by taxpayers’ dollars.
Posted by: julieterra | October 26, 2009, 2:04 am 2:04 am
Julieterra, so why is the Left all up in arms about the Healthcare Insurance Industry executives making their millions? Or the gas company executives making their millions? They aren’t getting federal bailout money! It has more to do with simple class warfare then taxpayers’ money.
The Left is always whining that the wealthy don’t pay their fair share in taxes, yet the top 1% of the nation’s wage earners account for 40.42% of the total federal income tax revenue; and the top 5% of the nation’s wage earners account for 60.63% of the total federal income tax revenue. And now we learn that the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates that nearly 47% of the nation’s households will have either no federal income tax liability or a negative tax liability (receive a net credit due to tax credits). Nearly 9% of households with an income between $75,000 and $100,000 will have no federal income tax liability or a negative tax liability.
Posted by: James Danley | October 26, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
If the American Dream needs a loan then they should stop with the Consumer Financial Protection Agency. It will put such restrictions on some companies that most Americans will have no where to go and borrow unless they can get it from a bank. Oh I forgot banks are not lending. Seriously you need to get informed on the CFPA I know it sounds like a good thing but it will put companies who lend out of business.
Posted by: 'Un-American' | October 26, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
James Danley, do you realize that the President’s salary is only $400,000 to run the whole country. So don’t compare some greedy ceo who’s job is only running a bank, earning a salary in the millions getting his pay cut. That’s just silly.
Posted by: Lydia | October 26, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Small businesses do need some help. They find it hard to compete for good employees, as most can’t afford to pay for a share of health insurance for their employees. As well, they have to compete with corporate chains that can under-price their goods because of their huge volume of wholesale purchases.
Posted by: Lydia | October 26, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
The so-called “greedy” CEOs are paying millions of dollars in federal, state (where applicable) and local (where applicable) income taxes. You cut their income by 90% and you cut their tax liabilities by about 90%. That means dramatically LESS REVENUE for the federal, state (where applicable) and local (where applicable) governments. The federal, state and local governments will then have to raise taxes on the middle class or drastically cut services.
By the way that also means hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars less in contributions to charities.
Posted by: James Danley | October 26, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
“The so-called “greedy” CEOs”
What would you call a CEO who runs the company into the ground while walking away personally wealthier by the experience?
“are paying millions of dollars in federal, state (where applicable) and local (where applicable) income taxes. You cut their income by 90% and you cut their tax liabilities by about 90%.”
How laughable.
CEO can hire accountants with the money they make dramatically decreasing their tax liability.
“Warren Buffett, the third-richest man in the world, has criticised the US tax system for allowing him to pay a lower rate than his secretary and his cleaner.”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 26, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
For me there’s no amreican dream anymore, anyway something must be done in order to reduce unemployment rate.
Posted by: Craig Miller | October 26, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Yes taking advantage of the tax law loopholes does lower one’s tax liability. So what is your point? Even with the lowered tax liability they still pay millions in taxes.
Warren Buffett may have a net tax rate that is lower than his secretary and his cleaner but he still pays millions more in taxes.
Posted by: James Danley | October 26, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
“Yes taking advantage of the tax law loopholes does lower one’s tax liability. So what is your point? Even with the lowered tax liability they still pay millions in taxes.”
So to recap, multi millionaires paying much less of a percentage of their income income in taxes than the working class is a good idea according to the right wing.
But at least you acknowledge that advantages are taken and the Heritage Foundation numbers you post are completely bogus.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 26, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Actually the fact that the top 1% of the nation’s wage earners account for 40.42% of the total federal income tax revenue; and the top 5% of the nation’s wage earners account for 60.63% of the total federal income tax revenue; are from the Tax Foundation website citing the Internal Revenue’s data for 2007.
Posted by: James Danley | October 26, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Only the little people pay taxes.
Posted by: Ghost of Leona Helmsley | October 26, 2009, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Absolutely right! i am totally agreed over not paying those big salaries. Obama is doing right for the taxpayers, the Americans. I liked this strategy!
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