Obama’s Secret Plan for Socialism?
EmailDoes President Obama have a “secret” plan for socialism? That’s what conservatives said during a recent set of focus groups in Atlanta. What they did not say was also interesting. Even when pushed, no hint of racial prejudice was raised. ABC News' Teddy Davis has more on the new report from the liberal Democracy Corps group, including what its leaders think it might mean for 2012: Former Clinton advisers James Carville and Stan Greenberg released a focus group study on Friday arguing that the Republican Party will have trouble connecting with independent swing voters in upcoming elections because the conservatives who make up two-thirds of the GOP stand “a world apart from the rest of America.” “What’s really striking is the powerful sense of self-identity, the sense of being mocked in the country plus a special sense of knowledge as they try to stop this president who they believe has a secret agenda, a socialist agenda, that will undermine the Constitution and our liberties,” said Greenberg. “What’s striking is that it’s just not present for the independents, the Macomb-type swing voter,” he added, referring to the Michigan county where Greenberg first went in 1985 to study “Reagan Democrats” and their flight from the Democratic Party. The focus group study, which was paid for by Democracy Corps, a liberal group started by Carville and Greenberg, was conducted last month among conservative Republican base voters in suburban Atlanta, with parallel groups conducted among blue collar independents in suburban Cleveland. The conservative focus group set in Atlanta was made up of those that voted for both John McCain and a GOP candidate for Congress. The moderate focus group set in Cleveland was divided 50-50 between 2008 Obama voters and 2008 McCain voters. Conducted on the heels of Rep. Joe Wilson’s, R-S.C., “you lie” comments, Democracy Corps gave the conservative focus group set in Atlanta, which was made up of older, white Republican base voters, a full opportunity to bring race into their discussion. Race, however, did not ever become a central element of the discussion. Rather than expressing a racial animus, the conservative group spoke out against Obama on ideological grounds and fear that he represents a “secret” socialist agenda. “First and foremost, these conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives,” reads the Democracy Corps report. In particular, conservatives cited the bank bailouts, the takeovers of Chrysler and GM, homeowner dependence on the government to stay out of foreclosure, and the proposed health-care overhaul. Although the conservatives in the study fully embraced the “socialism” attacks on Obama, the moderate focus group set largely dismissed these attacks as “the kind of overblown partisan rhetoric that obscures the facts and only serves to cheapen the political discourse.” So what does all this mean for the GOP’s 2012 presidential nod? Democracy Corps suggested that it might hurt Mitt Romney and boost Sarah Palin. “Romney has an authenticity problem” with conservatives, said Greenberg. “Their filter is: Who is real? Who is really with them?” Although Romney successfully expanded health-care coverage in Massachusetts without a government insurance option, Greenberg thinks the former governor will be hurt among conservatives for backing a plan that could “be very similar to what passes nationally.” Palin, by contrast, might actually be helped in a potential bid for the GOP’s 2012 presidential nomination by the intensely anti-socialist worldview which appears to be ascendant among conservatives. Even though 50 percent of voters view Palin unfavorably according to a Gallup poll released earlier today, Palin appealed to the conservatives who took part in the Democracy Corps focus group set. Conservatives viewed Palin as a “victim of an unprecedented smear campaign” by the “liberal media,” according to the report. “Palin was the only one that generated a lot of conversation and enthusiasm,” Karl Agne, a senior adviser to Democracy Corps, told ABC News. Even though Palin was the only Republican figure who “truly excited” the conservative focus group set and created “real passion,” she has major problems with swing voters, according to the portion of the Democracy Corps report which deals with independents. “When it comes to Sarah Palin, there was almost universal agreement that she could never be elected president, with most citing her inexperience and baggage as obstacles too great to overcome,” reads the report. “But even more important to them, most felt she was ultimately driven by greed and ambition more than anything else and would rather use her newfound fame to enrich herself than improve the country.”
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Socialism now you can add to the takeover of the fishing industry not passed yet but has been secretly brought up [NationalOcean and Great Lakes Policy] Is being pushed through before anyone has had time to review it and it is really bad.
Posted by: earl | October 16, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
I think coherent person watching Obama would realize his plans are not all that secret.
Posted by: betsy | October 16, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Anyone who thinks the government has taken over the banking industry is a class one idiot. It is ludicrous – but at least not completely stupid – to believe the exact opposite has occurred.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 16, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Sounds like the far right imperialist GOP group and the far left socialist Dem. group are going to get us into a civil war sooner then later. The vitriol and hate from both sides toward each other is beyond control now.
Posted by: theMiddle | October 16, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
socialism at its worst probably being pursued to attack Palin because she fishes [National OCEAN and Great Lakes Policy] decisions made under this national oceans policy could be used to unnecessarilly close saltwater and freshwater recreational fishing areas and it will pass in less than 30 days if we dont put a stop to it.It is being rushed through like everything this administration does in secret of course.
Posted by: earl | October 16, 2009, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
all you have to do is look at who Obama has surrounded himself with as advisors. Not to mention all the other stuff he has stated, through his books or his stated intention to fundamentally change America.
Anyone who gets around any at all in this country can only look around and marvel at who we are and far we have came, somewhere we did something right and we didn’t need anyone to tell us how to do it.
Posted by: david | October 16, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Open your eyes and you will see there is no secret plan it is openly obvious.Take over car companies,Banks,Health Care,Insurance companies, Etc, Etc,what else would you call it? Especially when he has openly said he wanted to redistribute the wealth.
Posted by: marion | October 16, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Rush Limbaugh is the ridiculous mouthpiece for the right wing. He admits it! Why can’t George Stephanopoulos man up and admit he holds the same position for the left? Come on George, at least Rush is honest about it. Why aren’t you?
Posted by: oonogil | October 16, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
“The vitriol and hate from both sides toward each other is beyond control now.”
theMiddle | Oct 16, 2009 4:23:48 PM
Ah, the false equivalency lie. Meanwhile, back in documented reality, the extreme right in America is MURDERING people (Adkisson, Tiller, Von Brunn) based on their ideological obsessions while the extreme left is just sounding stupid as usual. Yeah. Some equivalency there.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 16, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
The idiocy on display in this comment section is both sad and worrisome.
Come on, everybody. Do you ever read what you’re writing before you send it off? “Takeover” of car companies, banks, insurance companies? Are you smoking? All of these things BEGAN under a Republican administration.
I weep for the future.
Posted by: Amazed | October 16, 2009, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Secret plan? The WH communications director loves MAO?
Posted by: jamescbuilder | October 16, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
It is obvious Obama is trying to do what he said he would do, fundamentally change America…. he just never said what that “change” would be or cost! now we know…. he is for a worldwide socialist economy, his “share the wealth” idea means those who work and strive for success, get to keep less of what they earn, and those who are at the bottom of the economic ladder, either because they are LAZY or Uneducated, get the free handouts…. our country was not built on free handouts, but hard work; and the government stays out of our lives as much as possible….
Posted by: m ike | October 16, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
jhw539 – We all know what is going on. There is no conspiracy. Socialism is out in the open. Bail out people that fail for the common good. As far as the Fed goes: what are we going to do with all the mess on their books? The Fed also blew up this bubble. I think you know that.
Posted by: Huh | October 16, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Socialism is out in the open.
Huh | Oct 16, 2009 4:44:06 PM
Police. Schools. Fire departments. Roads. Sewage treatment systems. Pollution standards. Seat belts. The FDA. The internet. 911 emergency centers. The world’s best University system. Social Security. Medicare. Hoover dam. Courts. The American flags on the moon.
I think ‘socialism’ has indeed been out in the open for quite a while now.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 16, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Obama is an inexperienced leader pushing an agenda that many Americans do not support. BUT, I do not think he is a bad person. I believe he is doing what he believes is best, however misguided that may be.
God bless us all… including those who do not share my opinion.
Posted by: Shane | October 16, 2009, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Maybe it’s something more than socialism. It seems as though someone is pulling his string behind the scenes. He’s accomplished nothing. He is selling us out. We are being deceived from both the Dems and Repubs.
Jhw539 has plenty of company in regards to our future
Posted by: Bob | October 16, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Eisenhower must have been a socialist, then…he created the Interstate Highway system…
Posted by: Linell | October 16, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
The sky is falling…run you fools!
Posted by: Duality in Harmony | October 16, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
The plan for socialism isn’t secret at all. It started last fall with the passage of the $700 billion bank bailout – on GWB’s watch. We have socialism in the US. It’s called Wall Street socialism. Get used to it, cuz it’s not going anywhere any time soon.
Posted by: Gillian Rosheuvel | October 16, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
I thought it was the Reagan plan – according to Stockman – to bankrupt the federal government via tax cuts (for the rich) and increased spending, in order to force a radical reduction in the government’s size and role. Now bankruptcy a secret socialist plan! Conservatives get your stories straight.
Posted by: john | October 16, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
“He’s accomplished nothing. He is selling us out.”
Bob | Oct 16, 2009 4:56:18 PM
I did not edit the above – Bob really did just almost quote Orwell in his doublethink.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 16, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
In regards to the socialist paranoia: Would you believe, my goodness, that you live in a socialist type of country no matter where you go in this world? You say, what? Why yes, the U.S. utilizes many aspects of socialism throughout many parts of your society. Many of you anti-socialists out there fail to understand how much of your world and the United States relies on the social good to maximize the good for the majority of society. You are reaping the results of that socialism every day and many times each day. Each time you get into your socially mandated safe cars and ride on that tax-paid highway and see the fire put out by your government paid fire departments, and protected by your local police. The water you drink out of your faucets, the military that protects you at home and overseas, and the list goes on and on with the socialist policies. Capitalism helps to make that process work from the other direction to help us pay for these required and desired needs. If we share in the support and cost of anything as a society, that is known as “socialism”. Note that both capitalism or socialism can be termed as parasites of society if either grows too large or out of control. Neither of them can succeed without the help of the other. You might call it a symbiotic relationship that works best for both when proper balance is achieved. Your government, appropriately sized and with proper checks and balances is part of this whole mechanism that we the people have voted and put into place. This, as put forth by President Lincoln , is “For the people, by the people and of the people”. Me thinks the doest protest too much that which you would not do well without. The American government is you and me and our neighbors. As long as the country stands, we will be socialists as that is the nature of man when in groups larger than one person. Sharing and contributing for the greater good of everyone in a group is socialism.
Posted by: dlboggan | October 16, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Obama will socalise health care….Obama will socialize the police…Obama will socialize the fire department….Obama will socialize the highway department…Obama will socialize space travel…Obama will socialize the military….Obamam will socialze family services….Obama will socialze the judicial system…Obama will socialise everything so we become dependent on the government. Time to stop the madness and privatize EVERYTHING!
Posted by: Wayne | October 16, 2009, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
These Repubs need to remember that some of us have memory capacities longer than the common housefly. The bank and AIG bailouts are the work of CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS in the White House, Treasury, and Fed.
Posted by: B. Bear | October 16, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
jhw539 – Again your favorite arguments on display. Of course there has been an element of socialism, but those expenditures reaped some benefit, and we could sort of afford them. That is our tax money actually doing something useful. Now however, the spending is completely out of control, and we are so broke that none of this stimulus will help down the road. We have to get a lot poorer and actually work for our riches rather than export our dollar. Dollar hegemony is coming to an end to. Wall street has pillaged us, and they are taking their bonuses and laughing all the way to the bank. I don’t like this so called socialism. That is the reality my friend. Keep in mind that government is woefully inefficient and corrupt.
Posted by: Huh | October 16, 2009, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Boy, he sure knows how to keep alot of secrets then. Idiots at best.
Posted by: sara | October 16, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
OOOOOOh, a “secret plan” LOL
Posted by: sara | October 16, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
sara – It is hardly a secret. It is what it is. Choosing wall street over main street will be something both Bush and Obama will regret.
Posted by: Huh | October 16, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
I don’t think the plan is so secret. It appears that he wants to run the deficit and debt so high that the dollar collapses, then move into the Amero dollar.
Why else would anyone keep spending with a current deficit of $1.4 trillion and a national debt that will double to some $24 trillion within ten years. It is pure insanity unless he is on a mission.
Have you ever heard even one of the current political elitists suggest a plan to mitigate the national debt? I think not, maybe an occasional inference to reducing the deficit in the vague future!
But don’t let them confuse you a reduced deficit means the debt is still growing! Also, don’t buy into clever math the debt grew during the Clinton years, not as much, but grow it did. So the touted surplus is a lie.
Why do we continue to let administrations and congresses get away with sabotaging our nation?
Let’s clean the House and 1/3 of the Senate in 2010 and show them we are smarter than they think! Let’s elect people who think like us and will reduce congressional salaries to the average street salary instead of some $130K above average!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 16, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Good points Ed. Yep Clinton raided social security so most if not all those years were deficits. Clinton also ran up our trade imbalance. No “current political elitists” wants to reduce the national debt except through inflation. Ron Paul does not qualify as an elitist!
Posted by: Huh | October 16, 2009, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Journalism?
Posted by: AkaDad | October 16, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
All of our societies services and info structures have been socialized since the founding of our country. There needs to be a balance in all things. Giving all of this over to privatization will create a situation where only those that can afford them can get the service(s) or use the info structure. If you want to create a very harsh class system that this would create, get ready for some real chaos. Class systems based on power and money will not and has not worked. Full socialism has not and does not work. There needs to be a balance with checks and balances towards both. Too much of either ideology would be devastating.
Posted by: dlboggan | October 16, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Obama is a communist and has assembled a gang of ruthless idiots around him with the sole purpose of taking over the country and implement ideas that have failed miserably during the 20th century. Media clown such as youself George are blind and biased by their own biases and liberal education.
Posted by: Tom | October 16, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
I see the boogeyman scare mongers are out in full force tonight! It never ends! I guess you deserve a turn though. We said the same the same things about Bush!!
Posted by: pfr | October 16, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Have no fear Obama has never done anything in his life except two things (1) get elected (2) Quarter back others – he has no record of achievement and as long as he lets pelosi and reid run the show that record will stay intact.
So what than will he do? Enjoy the good life – fly every where – and pray he gets another term.
Posted by: a citizen | October 16, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Socialism = any government program that benefits people I dislike. Funny how conservatives are less vehement about eliminating “socialized medicine” for seniors & veterans.
Posted by: Nancy B. | October 16, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
As a Obama Ind voter I am somewhat concerned about a couple of things. A. The health care bill supposedly gets rid of Tricare for military retirees and these men and women will have to pay for HC while a person that has done nothing to find work, never served, and contributed nothing to society gets free health care. Is this fact or fiction? Please tell me its fiction. B. That some of our lovely Congress is dipping into over sea troop funds to feed their own district pork.
Can anyone confirm or not these concerns?
Posted by: CAW | October 16, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
What kind of “unbalanced” reporting uses Democratic source information to define the Republican party?
Excuse me if I think this is an ad for the Democratic party rather than news.
Posted by: John | October 16, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
well, obama is a socialist…it’s not even debatable. and palin’s simply ridiculous. so, in what direction does the debate now turn?
Posted by: davidfrat21 | October 16, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
It’s a sad day when China looks more like a capitalistic country than the U.S.
Posted by: jim 234 | October 16, 2009, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Just how is obama going to pull off all of what we suspect him of, if he is not in control of the house and senate?
Biden said it all ” If we loose our advantage in the house and senate in 2010, obama looses it all”
SHUT DOWN OBAMA in 2010!!!!
Posted by: MB | October 16, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
socialism isn’t some horribly awful system…it’s just different. italians live great lives, as do the french, the germans, the brits and many others…their lives are just a bit different from ours. and we in the u.s. live great lives…just somewhat different from our european relatives. i just think it’s really strange that liberals, when called socialists, will immediately deny being such and then extoll how wonderful socialism is. they’ll constantly launch into, “i am NOT a socialist…BUT sweden has univeral government run health care that’s better than our capitalist pig system.” if you’re a socialist in the u.s., just say you are. it’s about time we had an honest debate about what socialism and capitalism really are. then, we can have an honest debate about what we actually want. i’m just tired of ignorant people on all sides of the debate who are so foolish that they can’t even admit to themselves what they really are or what they actually believe in.
Posted by: davidfrat21 | October 16, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Next election, BOTH parties should go take a hike,,,,the people of this country have been Mis-represented long enough,,,,voters need to vote out ALL incumbents, and elect ALL third party candidates,,,we need to send a very clear message to BOTH parties, you have miserably failed, NEITHER party can straighten out the mess BOTH of you made,,,,,your services will no longer be needed. Both parties have turned into legislative prostitutes who have committed TREASON in the name of personal and party profit,,,,,GREED.
Posted by: R. Taylor | October 16, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
What secret he told us he was going to give us hope and change. We had hope now we just wish for change. This is going to be a LONG LONG year until the congress can get flipped and there will be a real government in place that has checks and balances. The democrats drunk with power are now busy ruining the country no different when the republicans owned both the white house and congress. One party rule just doesnt work.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 16, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Thanks for reminding us of this B. Bear, that the recession followed by the Troubled Asset Relief (TARP) money was a Republican (lower taxes but not- so-smaller government) administration’s gift to Americans. I wonder if the Tea Party types ever stop ranting long enough to think how much worse the recession would be today had McCain and Palin won the election. With economists like Phil Grahamm advising them, I shutter to think.
Posted by: Kent | October 16, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Let’s see … Van Jones(Communist), Mike Klonsky(Maoist), Carol Browner(Socialist) are all/were in appointed postions of power. Now Anita Dunn is praising Chairman Mao as one of her favorite political philosophers. Those are a few of the ones we know about. Secret? Hardly. All one has to do is look at the people Obama surrounds himself with.
Posted by: Woody | October 16, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Socialism, may be an idealistic dream, which is unsustainable in the scheme of the world.
As we have seen, those who have tried it, found it did not work particularly well.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | October 16, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Obama doesn’t have any plans. He’s just the frontman.
Posted by: sanitysrest | October 16, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
“Ron Paul does not qualify as an elitist!” – A millionaire, physician, Republican Congressman. There aren’t too many of those around my trailor park.
Posted by: Mark from atlanta | October 16, 2009, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
It’s not a secret plan. It’s an in your face plan. How else do you explain 10% unemployment on his watch after he promised no higher than 8%?
Posted by: Angelo | October 16, 2009, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
“because the conservatives who make up two-thirds of the GOP stand “a world apart from the rest of America.” Not so. It is the liberals who are control freaks who divide this nation.
Control every aspect of your live.
Do not want anyone to have any say about what they do. It is so simple.
All conservatives are not Republican.
That is an oversight by the planners.
Obama is leading us…only in the wrong direction. We are already and speeding to destruction down the road of socialism. Where man is not his on, but a servant to the government.
The role of servant to the people by government has become totalitarian.
The word psycopath comes to mind.
Get the doctors description of that word.
The mask of the one next door…is a google search to such….read it… Once you have worked for one…or been married to one…or had anyone as described in you life….it is so easy to spot those symptoms.
The war is betweed good and evil.
Always has been. Always will be. Those who do not see…must relive all of the ones in history who have been power mad..control freaks… reflections of those days in Germany…
Posted by: Douglas Bell | October 16, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Obama too far Left. Bush too far Right. I Really think Sarah Palin can get us back to the Center where America does Best. ALL THINGS IN MODERATION. Bring On The Jobs!!!! AND Drill Baby Drill!
Posted by: Palin2012 | October 16, 2009, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
One of the former Czar was reported to be a radical communist member , another one praised dictator Chevaz . One communication director in WH stated in addressing high school students that Chairman Mao Tze Tung as one of the two most admired persons. Obama himself had praised ‘redistribution of wealth’ and criticized that the supreme court had not included ‘redistribution of wealth’ in US laws.
Posted by: austin | October 16, 2009, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
I had to laugh at the one line in this article which said, “…conservative Republican voters believe Obama is deliberately and ruthlessly advancing a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country…”.
LMAO!…….. I can ONLY guess that in the these “right-whiner, so-called, “conservative”, minds, G.W. Bush didn’t also have his own ‘secret agenda’ when he DOUBLED THE NATIONAL DEBT from $5 Trillion to $10 Trillion over his 8 years. Where were these idiots when G.W. Bush was doing the exact same thing?
Then again…more than have of the right-whiners don’t even know the difference between the “deficit” and the “national debt”… since all you ever here them complaining about nowadays is “the deficit”. Of course, if they were to complain about the “national debt”, it would give them no credibility since it was a Republican that put us in this huge national debt to begin with.
Bunch of losers.
Posted by: X-Republican Because of Bush | October 16, 2009, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
Poor fearful Conservatives. See what years of Gingrich and Chaney have got you? Afraid!
If the town idiot GW and his ‘Unitary Executive’ attempt at a American Dicatatorship didn’t bring about any fundamental change in America, how can you possibly believe any president, Obama or another, could tak America from Democracy to socialism. It’s pure vitriol. Please stop taking the word of a man who’s entire existance depends on controversy (Rush Limbaugh) as fact. He’s an entertainer people! not a polititian, not too smart, a drug addict and an admitted liar. Try looking at the facts for yourself for a change rather than swallowing what he and the rest of the hate peddlers who are attempting to run the GOP are spouting.
Posted by: Richard Greene | October 17, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
These republicans would elect Palin to solve all our problems. Ain’t that a hoot. Just goes to show how ridiculous these people are.
Posted by: pamp205 | October 17, 2009, 12:16 am 12:16 am
For everyone who is against ‘socialism’, i.e., the federal, state and local government’s role in your everyday life, then maybe you enjoy paying for EVERYTHING that those entities provide for ALL citizens:highways, emergency services, military, MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY. If you don’t want your Social Security check or your Medicare, then tell the government that they can keep it to reduce the deficit. Sounds crazy doesn’t it? Yes, just like 2/3 of the posts on here.
Posted by: Bernita Brooks | October 17, 2009, 12:45 am 12:45 am
These Repubs need to remember that some of us have memory capacities longer than the common housefly. The bank and AIG bailouts are the work of CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS in the White House, Treasury, and Fed.
Posted by: B. Bear | Oct 16, 2009 5:26:58 PM……..
Forgot about the writers of the bailout
bill–Democratic Congress
Posted by: coastlinecascott | October 17, 2009, 3:05 am 3:05 am
OBAMA & PALIN
WHAT A COMBINATION IN THE SAME ARTICLE !!!
IS OBAMA SECRETLY DRIVING AMERICA IN THE DIRECTION OF SOCIALISM ???
Answering legitimate economic woes by way of social legislation with appropriate funding vehicles [legalization of medical marijuana anyone] does NOT necessarily appear to me to be a secret socialist agenda.
Disarming America before the world and applying ‘international diplomacy’ instead of making ‘The 38 Stratagems of Ancient China’ mandatory reading for those at both the White House and State is a far greater concern to me.
As for Palin, I guess the Republicans don’t want the White House anytime soon. When anyone becomes, rightly or wrongly, a national farce in their first attempt at the White House, that person becomes overall political dead meat. OK, so it was her comedian look alike who said that ‘she could see Russia out her window, not Palin.’ Palin went along and even played, good natured, into the Saturday Night live skits that poked fun at her.
He dirth of international knowledge [Biden could get away with those kinds of errors] was her downfall.
Posted by: BRUCE | October 17, 2009, 3:21 am 3:21 am
If the unemployment rate has dropped to below 8% come November 2010, the democrats will probably not lose too many seats in Congress. If it stays above 8%, then it will be 1994 all over again. The media can try to create a race war where one doesn’t exist, a liberal vs. conservative war, villify Palin, Limbaugh and other conservatives to get the focus off the high unemployment rate via a smokescreen, but the reality is what it is, and the grassroots voters get it even if the media and Washington doesn’t: the party with all the majorities has no excuses anymore if they can’t make it happen…now. 99.999…% of voters don’t read blogs or respond to them. They vote what they feel, and they feel Obama is long on talk and light on action. He tackles too much vs. taking smaller bites and finishing what’s in front of him before sampling something else, and it isn’t because there’s so much to do. It’s because that’s how he works. We get that now that we’ve seen it in action, and it is what it is. Some like all over the map, most of us don’t and will vote accordingly in 2010 and 2012.
Posted by: Rob | October 17, 2009, 3:31 am 3:31 am
First off….
Bush and Cheney are the ones who had “a ‘secret agenda’ to bankrupt our country and dramatically expand government control over all aspects of our daily lives,”…
And Secondly…
Palin??? Anyone who seriously gets excited about Palin in a political sense have just a few screws missing.
She’s an idiot… but, listening to her speak is a lot like listening to Bush speak… so I understand there excitement…
Conservatives seem to like their women pretty but, apparently with no brains… It seems to be a common dominator…Coulter, Bachmann and Palin… they are all mentally deficient but, at least they look good…
Posted by: theafalcon200 | October 17, 2009, 4:24 am 4:24 am
The same rhetoric the conservative pol’s made during the “New Deal” – yet the “gazillionaires” are still here, “Big Business” is still here … Just a bunch of Chicken Little’s …
Posted by: 1enlightened | October 17, 2009, 7:17 am 7:17 am
So what Carville is saying is that we need to help the goofy part of the right continue to succeed and dominate the party for the sake of our hanging onto the middle.
Moderation of their positions should be the goal for them, not us.
Posted by: vern | October 17, 2009, 8:12 am 8:12 am
As the little people argue left and right, we are being split down the middle. Open your eyes !!!! There is no difference between parties. Keep the blame game up. That is what they want.
Take your country back. Only the people can fix it. Both sides have been wrong for to long.
Posted by: Historian | October 17, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
It’s no “Secret”…just listen to Robert Reich, part of his Economic Team……..”We’re going to have to, if you’re very old, we’re not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It’s too expensive…so we’re going to let you die.”
“…I am going try to reorganize it to be more amenable to treating sick people but that means you, particularly you young people, particularly you young healthy people…you’re going to have to pay more.”
“…What that means, less innovation and that means less new products and less new drugs on the market which means you are probably not going to live much longer than your parents.”
Posted by: dainmezron | October 17, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am
jhw
What we are speaking of is not local fire departments, and water systems and you know it. We are speaking of not even National Socialism, but rather world socialism.
Speaking of National Socialism…..
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
Barack Obama
Has a familiar ring, no.
PS how saddened the libs must have been to not hear the “N” word being flung about…..we have been telling you idiots its not about race, oh well, money well spent is lib money that cant go to campaign.
Posted by: kellyfromtexas | October 17, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Posted by: pamp205 | Oct 17, 2009 12:16:08 AM
For everyone who is against ‘socialism’, i.e., the federal, state and local government’s role in your everyday life, then maybe you enjoy paying for EVERYTHING that those entities provide for ALL citizens:highways, emergency services, military, MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY. If you don’t want your Social Security check or your Medicare, then tell the government that they can keep it to reduce the deficit. Sounds crazy doesn’t it? Yes, just like 2/3 of the posts on here.
pamp…we DO PAY for ALL OF THAT. sheesh!
Posted by: kellyfromtexas | October 17, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
jhw539 – over half of what you list are LOCAL, not FEDERAL. There is a difference. And you cannot include fire department, because approx. 70% of all fire departments in this country are volunteer. We do have roads that were privately built – so that can be done (and the ones I have driven on were in great shape). At least 2 of the programs you listed should NEVER have been created (Medicare & Social Security) – Medicare is the chief cause of the health care mess we have now. And Social Security is a pyramid scheme. It should have been stopped as unconstitutional & illegal.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 17, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Inexperience running amuck. No excutive
eperience, no business experience, no
economic training, no legislative accomplishments, no military training.
Obama has a “on the job training” job.
America is is BIG trouble.
Posted by: eyewideopen | October 17, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Mark from atlanta – Ha, ha very funny. I think you know exactly what I am talking about. He is a millionaire because he understood the Fed’s inflationary policies decades ago and bought gold. What is wrong with being a physician and helping people? He delivered many babies for free. What do you have against someone so honorable?
Posted by: Huh | October 17, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
George you are way off base here; you have not like the Democates since you left the Clinton cabinet…what happened did you get fired????
Posted by: Kettle | October 17, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
If he’s not pushing Socialism, why do so many Socialists love him (Chavez, Castro, the Nobel Peace Prize Committee)? They must love him because he’s a staunch defender of Capitalism, yeah right!
Posted by: FixIt2012 | October 17, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am
“Secret Plan”? Gee George aren’t you aware of Obama Care ? How about “income redistribution” ? Is this stuff secret ?
Posted by: Ron | October 17, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Obama could not be more open about his political aspects…he is on TV every single day; almost every other channel…he is more open than any of the past presidents. He is only trying to help those “TRUE” Americans who worked their whole lives and are in deep crap due to the Crooks on Wall Street…dont go blaming him-dont blame the people that are out of work, or whp dont have their healthcare. Also, get off the Seniors BACKS…they need help more than these Crooks on Wall Street, we can bail them out and then let them give themselves bonsus’s enough is enough…Get on the side of the people.
But these media people have their pockets lined too…so you must understand where they stand, on the side of “BIG BUSINESS”, thats where.
Posted by: Kettle | October 17, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Bernita Brooks – I would gladly not take Social Security & Medicare when I am old enough, if they give me back everything I paid in. I have driven on privately built highways that are in great shape (you probably have too and just don’t know it). Emergency services are provided at the local level – and there are private ambulance companies and the majority of fire companies in this country are volunteer. The military is accounted for in the Constitution – and is really the ONLY thing our Federal government has the authority to maintain.
What liberals seem to be too dense to understand is that when people say they don’t want socialism, they mean at the Federal level. There are certain things, such as schools, which at the local level it is more efficient to use LOCAL taxes. The Federal government should NOT be involved in our schools. Its really amazing that we were #1 in education until the Federal Department of Education was made a cabinet level position.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 17, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Chickens comin’ home to roost!
Posted by: Kenneth Of Minneapolis | October 17, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
“Secret plan? The WH communications director loves MAO?”
She was quoting the late Republican Lee Atwater who quoted MAO often.
Posted by: Kbell | October 17, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
One must look at the people surrounding President Obama and from what has been disclosed at this point is not a pretty sight to behold when one is an avowed communist, others think that Mao, Chavez and Castro are great for democracy. I think Obama is only a community organizer and the Congress and Senate is much higher organized which has been his downfall.
Posted by: Gene44 | October 17, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Racism is the elephant in the room. The conservatives would have been outraged by any liberal elected but the intensity of the vitriol is fueled but the unthinkable happening. If we can elected a black man, other worst nightmares (see above) can’t be far behind. GOP made this mess. Stop bellyaching and GRAB A MOP!
Posted by: Laura Symons | October 17, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Anyone who thinks that Barack Obama is a socialist either doesn’t know what the word means or does know and is merely using it as a tactic to scare people who DON’T know.
Posted by: Eleonora27 | October 17, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
huh says: “Of course there has been an element of socialism, but those expenditures reaped some benefit, and we could sort of afford them. That is our tax money actually doing something useful.”
Are you sure you aren’t doing a little cherry picking of your logic here?
Can you honestly say that making sure that every American is covered by health insurance, and therefore that no American will ever be denied medically necessary treatment, does not have any value?
On the other hand, we have a military that is greatly out of proportion to the size of our economy, apparently because we hold ourselves responsible for running the world. Can you honestly say we can afford this expenditure, one that is 100 times larger than the outlay for the health insurance plans on the table?
Posted by: John's conscience | October 17, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
BO doesn’t have a “secret” plan — he and his cronies are blatantly socialist! They need to be voted out of office, sooner rather than later!
Posted by: JustMe | October 17, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Yes, spending increased dramatically under Bush. It has exploded under Obama. The one thing both administrations have in common is that Congress, and only Congress has the power to spend federal funds. Interestinly, spending really exploded late in Bush’s term when the Democrats gained control of Congress.
Posted by: MizFW | October 17, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Anyone BUTT Obama !!!! Also, can we get one that is a natural born citizen ?? It appears that Obamas Kenyan birth was even mentioned in stories back when he ran for Senate against Jack Ryan …… you’ll read about it soon enough. Usurper in Chief…
Posted by: jimbo | October 17, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Laura Symons – You obviously did not read the article. The most leftist Democrat on the face of the earth, James Carville, just proved that racism is NOT the reason people don’t like Obama – it’s about ideology – which is what people have been saying for months. And that ‘mop’ comment was one of the most immature things I have heard Obama say. He’s beginning to sound like a spoiled brat. Although I do not agree with any of his policies, I did have a measure of respect for him. With his continued sniping at FoxNews and ridiculous commments like the “mop” one, I am losing respect for hiim.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 17, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Wake up, George!!
The plan isn’t a secret. Just ask van jones, valerie jarrett, any of the other avowed communists/socialists in the hussein regime, or even hussein himself (you’ll need to use a lie detector to get the truth from that one.)
Posted by: ALEX H. | October 17, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Secret socialist plan. hahaha. Unbelievable. If there is a secret plan then the president sure doesn’t know how to keep a secret. Everything that he has done, proposed, or encouraged is what he spoke about on the campaign trail…. some secret. If you followed the election last year, then none of what is happening should be a surprise to you. He’s fulfilling the promises that he made to the American people.
Hey Earl, with all due respect the president isn’t planning a secret “takeover of the fishing industry.” Regulating industries is kinda what regulatory government departments do. Sure, there’s always people that will dislike changes in regulations, but that’s no reason to put out paranoid conspiracies about government takeovers. What does that even mean anyways? Let’s say the president wants to turn American into a socialist haven and destroy the constitution. hahaha (can’t even keep a straight face). How does he do that? There’s a little known clause in the constitution often referred to as “checks and balances” to prevent the destruction of the country by politicians. And to what end is he destroying the country? He’ll be out of office in at most 7.25 years. How does he stand to benefit from any of this? Financially would be the most logical conclusion… but I doubt he stands to make money from regulating the fishing industry as a means to protect endangered species. Get real.
Hey oonogil, for every person like you that attacks George for leaning left in his reporting, there’s another person who blogs about him leaning right. So to me this means that he’s making people angry on both sides of the political spectrum. Which implies he’s in the middle of the road when it comes to reporting. I got your back George.
I wish some people would just stop for a second and use their brain. I know it was discouraged during the Bush years and it may be difficult to tap into that crazy little organ, but I believe we must try.
Posted by: Nathan | October 17, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
You state all the government run systems we rely on as evidence that socialism is a good thing but my experiance with any of these socialized aspects of our country are consistently less than excellent and in fact down right anoying! Why do people thing involving the government in anything will make it better? It will create way more hassels. Also….the above comment is correct. Our country needs to stop spending! We ARE broke. It’s insane.
Posted by: Heather D | October 17, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Nathan I can tell you have not read it. Under this plan as it is written they can regulate your swimming pool. So dont comment on something you havent read.
Posted by: earl | October 17, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Obama has said very plainly that he is for the redistribution of wealth, he has surrounded himself with socialists, his policies are all socialist, and as usual the middle class will be stuck with the bill and it is us the middle class and our children that will pay for it in the form of value added taxes (AT)for the trillions of dollars Obama’s Socialist Administration is spending on their wasteful pet projects. Check with Socialist nancy Pelosi she knoes very well about VAT’s. Healthcare is about Government Control is not about Health, Obama has the banks, transportation, car manufacturers, and on and on, now he wants a big chunk all at once so we all have to depend more on the Governement. A secret paln to Socialism, are you serious?
Posted by: wizcat123 | October 17, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
I am amazed everytime I hear Mr. Obama or one of his staff tell us that he was elected to change the way Washington worked. They have totally mis-read the intentions of most Americans that gave him the election. I believe most of us want to see Washington change how it works but ramming socialized medicine and more pork to congressional districts is not what we’re looking for….we’re looking for true debate on what the American people really want rather than what the lioberal fringe want. There are many things that could be changed in our health care system that would easily have support from both sides without a total overhaull. In my my mind, if a proposal cannot muster at least half the votes of both parties in congress, it has not passed the test of bipartisonship and should be delayed. By the way….I’m still waiting for somebody on either side of the aisle to insist that meaningful tort reform be included in any discussion about health care reform.
Posted by: Novi_Mike | October 17, 2009, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
Bernita Brooks apparently you’ve never worked. I paid for my Social Security and Medicare for years. The federal government used our money for other things (?) and never paid it back.
Posted by: C Good | October 17, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
It’s a secret? Really?
Posted by: LongT | October 17, 2009, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
James Carville and Obama appeal to those persons who do not hold themselves accountable for their actions, behavior, etc.
Posted by: Phil Tweedy | October 17, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
John’s conscience – Not cherry picking at all. If tax money is used efficiently and for good purpose, then I don’t have too much of a problem. No I do not think that everyone should be insured because it is not fiscally possible. As far as the warmongering, I am with you. I support Ron Paul so I think you know where that puts me. Medicare, medicaid are utter fiscal failures. This debacle will be too rest assured. Plus we are a nation of obese folks that smoke, drink and eat at the trough of corporate food companies so universal health care is an illusion that will bankrupt us if other dumb policies don’t get us first. Personally I think we are completely broke, and bad times are just around the bend.
Posted by: Huh | October 17, 2009, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Universal health care coverage is only possible for an advanced wealthy country that follows healthy practices. We are broke and we are extremely unhealthy. Therefore universal coverage will be much too costly. Of course so is bombing everybody. My suggestion is using the free market for routine small things and insurance for the large things. We should have colon clinics and stitch clinics, etc. Insurance should not cover these things. Much like homeowners insurance does not cover replacing light bulbs, etc. The free market has been applied to cosmetic surgery and lasik and those prices have come down over the years which is in diret contrast to areas of medicine where the government is taking there cuts. What do you think John’s conscience?
Posted by: Huh | October 17, 2009, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
Government is too big and it takes and spends too much noney. It spends far more than it can take. We need a Government that can operate on a budget. These Democrats seem to be trying to destroy the Country. Where is the Liberty, Freedom and Personal Responsibility? Socialism stinks. You people are giving up your Freedom for false promises made by our Commander in Chief Snake Oil Salesman… Government health care will charge you three times as much as you pay now if you are a little overweight. They will control your life. Why do you want Government in your home telling you how to live? Why do you support a Law making it ileagal to not have a health care policy? Jail time? $25,000 fine? Why are you putting up with this horse squeeze? Why do you support it?
Posted by: Scott T | October 18, 2009, 2:13 am 2:13 am
SECRET??? There is nothing secret about it. The only debate is if he is going socialist – or communist… as he surrounds himself with more COMMUNISTS than socialists. (oh… and terrorists).
As for this analysis by Carville, et al… what a joke. First – neither of the two – Palin or Romney are in the lead right now on the conservative front for 2012. Huckabee is. That might change – but it looks like these guys just spent a whole lot of time analyzing squat, and understanding nothing. Independents are moving towards libertarianism…. half of the FOXNEWS “well known” are libertarians now for goodness sake.
Posted by: socialiststink | October 18, 2009, 2:27 am 2:27 am
Obama the Marxist in chief does have a plan to destroy America and we are going to stop him.The media did a dangeous thing propping this guy up. He is a mistake and all mistakes need to be rectified. He says ‘You haven’t seen nothing yet’? Wrong! It is HE who has not seen nothing yet.
Posted by: babs | October 18, 2009, 4:37 am 4:37 am
Why hasn’t anyone brought out the invasiveness of obamas healthcare plan?
What does the IRS and taking control of personal finances have to do with healthcare – seems to be just another way to increase the government intrusion into every Americans life. No reporter has brought this to the discussion; Why?
Everything this administration has done so far is pushing a socialistic agenda and no reporter or reporting is defending the constitution and the American people’s basic rights Why?
When will the gloves come off and reporters, yourself included, start asking and publicising the hard questions. If I can find out this information why can’t any reporter? What has happened to “fair” reporting?
I would be very happy to have some answers; from where I sit it appears all media has been paid off and are coconspiritors in the destruction of our government.
Posted by: Tony Altamore | October 18, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Obama has said he would “transform” America. It just didn’t register with most of us what that really meant.
He is a socialist — I don’t think he denies that — and he believes in it.
Every time he says, “MY” or “ME” or “I”, which is frequently, it is clear that he is the elitist controller of the U.S. We have been Transformed and our we are sadly moving further into that hole forever.
Posted by: pcafe | October 18, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Hun,
It is scary that those (as yourself)who defend socialism do not even know what it is…it is when government owns the means of production and there is no private property or private property rights. Police, firemen, military, etc are not examples of socialism. Those are service functions as part of a limited government. The U.S. Treasury owning 67% of GM with the labor unions owning 12%, Canada owning around 11%, and the private stock holders only owning 10% is getting a lot closer to socialism.
Posted by: Anti-Hun | October 18, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
When Mrs. Palin was chosen as the Republican Vic-Presidential candidate, I thought she was a breath of fresh air. Outspoken, great personality, friendly and candid, I liked her. However, I absolutely did not think then nor do I think now that she is presidential material. She is ignorant in the best sense of the word, she knows nothing of politics, national affairs or international affairs. She is extremely ambitious and an opportunist who does not have the sense to shade it. She is a quiter, she quite a job before she learned it to write a book and make some money. Republicans are very foolish if they think she would be a viable candidate for any high office.
Posted by: Mary Dawn | October 18, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Wow. This link is a great example of propaganda promoted by Fox. It’s so easy to spot them all.
Posted by: secondlook | October 18, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Why do you freakers like George Snuffalophagus put out right wing talking points in the form of a question? That is a sly way to get the GOP lies slipped in surreptitiously. Obama is less of a socialist than George W. Bush, who was a corporate communist and bigtime fascist in government partnership with the rich. Obama is actually pretty centrist. It is just that this country has become so n@zi that anything seems socialist compared to the reactionary ignoramuses that seem to populate one half or a little less of our country. I will ask the question, is George Stephanopolous (or however the h3ll you spell his monstrosity of a name) a N@ZI? That may be more the question of the day. I guess all three main networks are turning into clones of Fox (Sux) News. It is no long news here in the USA, it is right wing, GOP talking points posing as ‘news’. ABC, NBC, CNN and CBS are all peas in a pod, pursuing pseudo-stories instead of real news. George, you are Balloon Boy yourself. With a ballooned ego and salary and an underdeveloped sense of ethics. Spew on, cons. The rest of the world hates the USA because it sees how stupid this country has become.
Posted by: JL | October 18, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
No one said we live in a socialist type country, we are saying we dont want to. This is his plan and most knew this during his campaign. I for one, (even if my fellow sheep dont) will not be a citizen of a socialist country. In fact I might just go join the militia today…just incase.
Posted by: Bob | October 19, 2009, 8:10 am 8:10 am
What I do not understand is why America has turned a blind eye to what Obama has been doing/is doing since he entered office.To be quite honest why was he ever voted in? Are we not intelligent adults here?Why did the people of this country suck up everything just because he said what he thought we wanted to hear?Now I am afraid we don’t have shovels big enough to scoop up all he crap he tossed at us! not to mention enough places to dispose of it.YES,he has this country headed toward socialism and worst and we better vote him out before he takes away our right to vote!So many people were up in arms about Sarah Palin but her record in Alaska has proven that she was more than capable.The people he has chosen to associate with in the past speaks volumes,he only tried to disassociate himself when they became a burden,he is a liar and a traitor to this country!sHOW ME YOUR FRIENDS AND I’LL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE!!! Why does no one see who this very terrible person is?Will we become like the soviet block of nations or N.Korea or China or Cuba,Venezuela or any of the many socialist,communistic countries before we take our head out of the sand???? It’s not a blame that you can place on just one party,both share in the blame but let’s band together as America and kick the corrupt ones out and return this country back to the shining glory it once was and can be again.
Posted by: Naahmah G | October 19, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
when folks throw out the usual liberal rhetoric trying to equate police & the like to socialism, it is laughable. First off, many of their examples are LOCALLY administered, NOT federally.
In actuality, the FEDERAL Government’s power is SEVERELY limited, as per our Constitution (perhaps you should read it sometime). In fact, they wanted to ensure the Fed’s power was so limited that they actually REMINDED us just how limited it is by listing the Amendments. For example, the 1st Amendment PROHIBITS Congress from establishing a national religion, infringing on the press (Fox news anyone) or our speech.
Likewise, the 2nd Amendment “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall NOT be infringed.”
You see, our Founding Fathers were SO concerned about how intrusive the Feds could get that they spelled out just HOW much they did NOT want them interfering into our personal lives. However, we (the voters) have slowly allowed the Fed Gov to encroach on nearly every aspect of our lives (did you know that there’s a bill being floated in CA to ban plasma TVs because they use too much energy?
Anyway, the point is that you cannot compare Federal vs local programs in your little mind because they are NOT the same. Besides, when someone tries to bring up public schools as a point, it is all but TOO laughable because public schools are a JOKE (they are held hostage by teachers unions & the NEA) and get BLOWN away by private schools all the time. Also, towns which can afford their own police force & fire fighters are much better than relying on the Gov’s version of that as well.
Posted by: Rob | October 20, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Secret plan? It’s pretty blatant, if you ask me. But he will fail miserably. WE the PEOPLE will NOT allow any President to take this great Republic down the road to Socialism, Marxism or any other kind of ISM. Forgetaboutit! We have FREEDOM and LIBERTY flowing through our veins and will fight to the death to keep what our Founders bequeathed to us. Obama is a one-term wonder in the mold of Jimmy Carter. And 2012 can’t come soon enough!
Posted by: Sunnyr | October 21, 2009, 4:40 am 4:40 am
Hey great post here in the uk we are looking over at you and think what the hell is going on in the word. Are your sure he is the right man for the job?
Posted by: Phill Monk | November 11, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm