Scozzafava Dropping Out
Watertown Times reports that the Republican candidate in NY-23 is suspending her campaign. The news comes after a new Siena Poll out today shows Dede Scozzafava badly trailing Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman, who are locked in a dead heat. Winners: Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty and Club for Growth
Losers: Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney We'll kick this around on powerhouse roundtable tomorrow with George Will, Al Sharpton, DeeDee Myers, Ed Gillespie and Ron Brownstein. UPDATE: My colleague, ABC News' David Chalian, has more on what this shake up means for NY-23: The Republican nominee for Congress in the high profile upstate special House race ended her candidacy today. "It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger," Assemblywoman DeDe Scozzafava wrote in the Watertown Daily Times. Obviously, this will shake things up a bit. Scozzafava's name is still on the ballot, but she was bleeding support and releases all of her supporters to support other candidates. She doesn't endorse either of her opponents in her statement. A new Siena Research Institute poll out this morning showed the battle had become a two man race with Scozzafava fading. Democrat Owens was at 36 percent, Conservative Hoffman at 35, and Scozzafava at 20 percent. "In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be. The reality that I've come to accept is that in today's political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money—and as I've been outspent on both sides, I've been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record," wrote Scozzafava. This is clearly a huge victory for the lead conservative group bankrolling Hoffman's ads – Club for Growth. They have been at the forefront of the push to dispel moderates from the Republican ranks and support more purely conservative candidates. (To say nothing of the Palin victory over Gingrich in the endorsement battle.) In a preview of Democratic spin to come, DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen told reporters on Thursday that the NY-23 battle made clear to him that the "extreme" wing of the GOP was winning the "civil war" currently underway inside the Republican Party. Clearly the local GOP in NY nominated someone out of step with the national party and provided a wide opening for the Conservative Party candidate. Scozzafava's move today is likely to be a boost for Hoffman – putting this potential pick-up opportunity for Democrats farther out of reach. Vice President Biden is expected in the district on Monday to rally the Democratic troops, but watch for most of the national Democratic energy to focus on New Jersey rather intensely in these last 72 hours, as they hope to avoid going 0 for 3 on Tuesday — a result that would provide a big shot in the arm to Republicans heading into the 2010 midterm election year.
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Posted by: Charles L | October 31, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Doesn’t this still leave her on the ballot though at this late date? She will, undoubtedly, still get votes
Posted by: Pamela | October 31, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
OMG – Palin again! Enough already. She is like this recurring pain in the backside that we just can’t get rid of, no matter how hard we try. She’s too much of a religious radical nut for mainstream America. George, this is not a show that I’ll be tuned into!
Posted by: jmb | October 31, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
This is good news, not only for the Republican Party but for the country. The last thing in the world we need are more Liberals / Leftists / Socialists / Communists that have been trashing America since the 1960s. Every voter in his district should be at the polling place to vote Hoffman on Tuesday.
Posted by: Ron | October 31, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Not only is Bob McConnell going to win, but Republicans downticket in Virginia are polling higher than their Democratic opponents. The Virginia election certainly is a referendum on the Democrats’ far-left agenda. Virginians don’t like it very much, and I predict neither will the rest of the country in 2010.
Posted by: Carrie Anne | October 31, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Thank You Doug Hoffman for running!…Principle over Party!!!…GO DOUG!!!
Posted by: Mike | October 31, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Wait til Grandma feels the cuts in Medicare. Wait til Obama lowers his threshold of “rich” for taxing purposes to $50,000 a year. Wait til the reality of govt-run healthcare sets in. (I know because I grew up in Great Britain). 2010 will be bad for Democrats. 2012 will be a bloodbath.
Posted by: Carrie Anne | October 31, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen refers to the “extreme” wing of the Republican Party? Would that “extreme” wing include the 40% of Americans who consider themselves conservative? Chris Van Hollen is part of a far-left party seeking to govern a center-right country. I’d say he has more to worry about that the Republican Party. Just eleven short months ago, the Democrats were applauding the country’s so-called “shift to the left.” Looks like country is sending a message to the Democrats. Of course, the Obama-Pelosi crowd won’t hear the message. They’ve already proven that they are tone-deaf.
Posted by: Carrie Anne | October 31, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
I agree with Mike. Al Sharpton? I’ll skip This Week’s podcast this week too!
Posted by: Steve | October 31, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Good for Doug and for Palin helping him. It is clear that the RNC is useless and is much like the DNC. We need to get as many conservative people elected that are not as holden to the national parties (notice I said “parties” as they are really the same).
Posted by: Jeff G | October 31, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Sarah Palin has proven once again that she is the heir apparent to Ronald Reagan. This woman has withstood more attacks than any other politician and yet she is still standing, still happy, still grounded in the beliefs of middle America, and still taking it to those who hate our nation. She is an inspiration to me. She will be an inspiration to our country when Obama gets the boot in 2012.
Posted by: Jenny | October 31, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
I prefer Al Sharpton to that Donna Brazile character. She’s the one who suggested working-class whites walk out the door if they didn’t like the direction the Democratic Party was moving. After 54 years as a Democrat, I took her advice.
Posted by: Rachel Jackson, Independent | October 31, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
This is great. The more extremists Republicans recruit and the fewer votes they will get. Talk about blinders.
Posted by: David | October 31, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Hopefully Sarah Palin’s influence in this race will lead to other third party candidates. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are morally bankrupt. They both seek power for themselves at the expense of all of us.
I also hope that Palin immerses herself in the issues facing our country and chooses to run in 2012. We simply need somebody in the White House that is not a tool of one party or the other and will truly change our government. It is already clear that Obama will not be that person. McCain woul have been just as bad. Quite frankly, Palin may be the last best hope that we have for true reform. I don’t make that statement easily because I know she still needs to do some homework. She does however have the courage to oppose her own party, even when it will harm her, and that is for me a trait that simply does not exist in other politicians. That is a trait that may be the only thing that can save our country from the destructive environment we now find ourselves in.
Posted by: Greg | October 31, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
I hope Sarah Palin is NOT the Republican nomininee in 2012, but if she is, I will certainly vote for her. I would consider her the lesser of two evils. Absolutely anyone would be better than the whining, America-hating Socialist we have in the WH right now. Hopefully the Republicans will pick someone who can appeal to moderate Independents as well as Republicans. I honestly believe that moderate and conservative Republicans will come together to defeat Obama and the Democrats in 2012. I also think a sizeable minority of Democrats – about 10 – 15% – will cross over to the Republican side, at least for the 2012 election. We are Americans first, party members second. We see our country going the way of Chavez’ Venezuala, and it’s frightening – even to someone like me, who’s voted Democratic my entire life. What happened to my party? What happened to the party that only wanted a fair shake for the working man? When did my party become the Socialist Democrats of America?
Posted by: Rachel Jackson, Independent | October 31, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
It’s funny… you report about how the terrible “CONSERVATIVES” are going more far right but where’s your report about how the far left has taken over the democrat party? Or how about a report about how CBS, ABC, and NBC stack shows like yours with leftys and wishywashy republicans so that when you do have a true conservative on they get accosted from all sides? Might as well change the name of your show to “The Sunday edition of The View.”
Posted by: Aaron Michael | October 31, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
“This is great. The more extremists Republicans recruit and the fewer votes they will get.”
Keep telling yourself that. :)
Posted by: CH | October 31, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Let me amend my statement. I don’t consider Sarah Palin “the lesser of two evils.” That was a bad choice of words. She is not evil. In fact, she is courageous, and moral. I just feel that she is not qualified to be President – AT THE PRESENT TIME. (Of course, Obama wasn’t qualified, either, but that didn’t matter to the Kool-aid drinkers). I’m sure Sarah Palin will grow and be able to present herself well. She is obviously a very intelligent woman, despite the efforts by the MSM to make her look bad. I wish her well. I’m committed to supporting whatever candidate the Republicans choose, be it Sarah Palin or anyone else.
Posted by: Rachel Jackson, Independent | October 31, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
What is happening in NY, as one commentator stated, is a civil war between the religious conservatives, fiscal conservatives and moderates of the Republican party. This intra-party war will continue to diminish the Republicans as a viable party. Yes, the party will win seats in 2010 but it will not be the Republican party it will be the Religious Republican party. In my opinion the moderates and fiscal conservatives should create a new “Republican” party. Perhaps name it the “Independent Republican” party. I’m an indepedent voter who was a Reagan supporter. But in the 1990s I switched my votes to moderate Democrats because the party of Reagan has been taken over by religious Taliban-like individuals bent on turning the USA into a one religion, one government society where women and minorities are relegated to the kitchen and closets.
Posted by: Peter | October 31, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
GOP party is in trouble. The democratic base has set such high hopes that it will be very difficult to achive. The problem is Americans are tired and angry and in need to blame someone. They are growing fustrated and impatient with both parties. They are only willing to give a small window of opportunity to either party to fix things. I see toss up election going back and forth untill they see changes
Posted by: Mark | October 31, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
“the party of Reagan has been taken over by religious Taliban-like individuals bent on turning the USA into a one religion, one government society where women and minorities are relegated to the kitchen and closets.” Peter
Peter, you are NOT an independent, as you claim. You’re a socialist Kool-aid drinker using Saul Alinsky tactics to attack your enemies. You don’t fool anyone.
Posted by: Tripp | October 31, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
“. . . Taliban-like individuals bent on turning the USA into a one religion, one government society where women and minorities are relegated to the kitchen . . . ”
WHAT? Way back in 2008, wasn’t it the Republican Party that ran a woman in the vice-presidential spot? As I recall, it was the Democratic Party that trashed its female candidate as if she had no business running. So which party is closer to the Taliban?
Whoever made this comment is an idiot.
Posted by: Janet | October 31, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
It’s SO-OOOO funny that conservative republicans are so hot for Palin when conservatives have been AGAINST every law that helped women for the last 100 years. 1) Conservatives were AGAINST giving women the right to make contracts without a male co-signer 2)conservatives were AGAINST giving women the right to vote 3) conservatives were AGAINST allowing women into medical and law schools 4) they were AGAINST allowing women to use birth control, etc. etc. If Palin and her conservatives had their way, women in America would still be all barefoot and pregnant!
Posted by: AlChemist | October 31, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Al Sharpton? You’ve got to be kidding. Surely you can do better, George.
Posted by: JackSmith | October 31, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
I must be saying something right when people out there call me an “idiot”. It’s fine if you want to call me an “idiot”; I have been called worse. By the way who is Saul Alinksy? As a 53 year old white male from New Hampshire I know a little about conservatism and liberalism and the Republican party.
A true Republican is an individual who:
Desires to be free from government intervention in business and in private life.
Desires to be free from religious persecution from zealots from the religious right.
Desires that everyone has an equal right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or ethnicity.
I could go on but those three desires strike closest two my political beliefs.
When the Republican party gets back to those core principles that’s when I will come back to the party. Until then I will stay an Independent.
As far as the Democratic party is concerned the liberals can be just as bad as the religious conservatives. I guess we can call them Trotskyites. Can someone with a bit of intelligence tell me what Trotsky believed in and why he was murdered?
Posted by: Peter | October 31, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
First you should know that I will not be watching your show tomorrow morning (as is the usual) because you have invited Al (lets defend Tawanna Brawley) Sharpton to join you. This “man” is the most powerful bigot radical in NYS. He needs to be on some “blame game” show with his buds Mike Tyson and Lewis Farrakhan.
On the subject of the New York’s 23rd we up here in the Adirondacks are working toward cleaning house no matter their party. Ms. Scozzafava has served us alright, but she is an incumbent. Of the 2 survivors I would rather see Tawanna in office than Mr. Owens as he is a tree huger that is supported by the global warming kool aid drinkers.
We are in big financial trouble up here in the real New York and we need real change. Not the kind we have seen since last election day, and not the kind we get from career politicians like Sharpton. This is not necessarily a Republican problem (although they have so many) it is more a problem of representation and the lack thereof.
Posted by: pbaz | October 31, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Al Chemist.. how come you dont point out that the democrats have always been against civil rights. They fought Lincoln on slavery and Martin Luther King on civil rights equality.
Posted by: theresa | October 31, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Saracuda’s Tsunami is coming…..this will be so fun :)
Posted by: shari | October 31, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
To me this is significant enough to be a headliner. To ABC’s credit, George did address it outright….. CNN, MSMBC…. nary a word. No surprises there of course….
Posted by: Michael | October 31, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
An update from Tom Jensen at Public Policy Polling regarding NY-23:
So this morning around 10 AM I started up our NY-23 poll and after a few hundred interviews it appeared that Doug Hoffman was now running away with it-unweighted numbers showed him at 45% to 26% for Bill Owens and 17% for Dede Scozzafava.
Then came the news that Scozzafava was suspending her campaign. My first inclination was to just keep running the poll as is, but I stopped it and thought about it, and now for the rest of the weekend the first question will still provide Scozzafava as an option but also note that she’s suspended her campaign, although her name will still be on the ballot.
I’m not going to throw away the first set of interviews, but we’ll provide a crosstab for when people got surveyed. I expect Hoffman will win easily now, but IF OUR EARLY NUMBERS WERE ANY INDICATION WHAT SCOZZAFAVA DID DOESN’T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE-HE WAS GOING TO WIN EASILY WITH OR WITHOUT HER IN THE RACE.
I should also note that the poll included two way races between all three of the candidates as well so we will have full straight up Owens-Hoffman data for whatever that’s worth.
More excitement so far today than I might have been anticipating!
Posted by: Angelo | October 31, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Both parties have us into a situation which the CBO calls unsustainable. In a July report the CBO stated, “The federal budget is on an unsustainable path — meaning that federal debt will continue to grow much faster than the economy over the long run . . . . Rising costs for health care and the aging of the U.S. population will cause federal spending to increase rapidly . . . . ”
Since not one of either party appears to be heeding the warning, I can assume both parties are intent upon crashing the dollar!
One might think that some brave individual either on the hill or maybe the watchdog media would wake up realizing that THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER is the $1.4 trillion deficit and the $12 trillion national debt which is forecast to double to $24 trillion in ten years.
The fact that the debt is forecast to double is a frank admission that no-one in government has any plan, or any thought, of mitigating that debt!
When the CBO admits a problem it may be beyond resolution. How do you like the ring of “USSA”?
Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 31, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
==Palin again!==
Yeah, datsright, datsright.
== Enough already.==
Not enough already.
== She is like this recurring pain in the backside…==
Only to Libs, and, as Martha Stewart says, “That’s a good thing!”
==… that we just can’t get rid of, no matter how hard we try.==
YYYYEEEAAAAAA!
== She’s too much of a religious radical nut for mainstream America.==
You mean, for the “mainstream Lib part of America.” She’s great for the rest of us.
== George, this is not a show that I’ll be tuned into!==
George, so what. That’s what they ALL say.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
What’s a “religious conservative”?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
The in following elections, I will be voting for the most conservative candidate on the primary and general election ballot. This does not include Democrats cuz-a they way they’ve acted, especially since last November when American voters made an off-the-chart, GIANT mistake.
In a year, we will correct that mistake, and, in three years, we will make further correction.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
==It’s SO-OOOO funny that conservative republicans are so hot for Palin…==
You keep laughin’, and, when we return Republicans, hopefully Conservatives, back to Congress, and when we put a Conservative in The White House in three years, you keep laughin’ then, too.
==If Palin and her conservatives had their way, women in America would still be all barefoot and pregnant!==
That’s Daily Kooks drivel.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
==If Palin and her conservatives had their way, women in America would still be all barefoot and pregnant!==
How come SHE isn’t and hasn’t been?
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Sarah Palin continues to demonstrate that she is by far the most skilled politician of our day. This woman is fearless. She is determined and smart. She is the kind of leader in Washington.
Unfortunately, some of our liberal friends continue to attacker her out of fear and spite. For those who see yourself in that statement may I suggest this quote to describe Sarah Palin’s path forward:
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win” m. gandi
Posted by: Kendra | October 31, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
It seems that America needs Palin to take charge of a US economy that is out of control.She has a common sense approach that is needed to clean up the wasteful spending.
Americans are about to see the cost of everything go up, will that mean consumers will spend more or hunker down?
Increased taxation does not create jobs.
Posted by: ian | October 31, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Palin and Hoffman ROCK!!
Posted by: Mary | October 31, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Ed Taylor: I like Bob Dylan, too.
Posted by: Fay | October 31, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Palin will govern this land over my dead body. I know many other moderates that feel this way as well. I’ll say it again, she will do nothing but bring harm to your party.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
“”It’s SO-OOOO funny that conservative republicans are so hot for Palin when conservatives have been AGAINST every law that helped women for the last 100 years. 1) Conservatives were AGAINST giving women the right to make contracts without a male co-signer 2)conservatives were AGAINST giving women the right to vote 3) conservatives were AGAINST allowing women into medical and law schools 4) they were AGAINST allowing women to use birth control, etc. etc. If Palin and her conservatives had their way, women in America would still be all barefoot and pregnant!”"
Ridiculous. That’s the same as some idiot saying Liberals were for communism. Sure, some are. The fact is… in general, the koolaid drinkers in each party are stuck on a few key issues that make the decision for them. For many conservatives at this time it happens to be gay marriage and abortion. For many conservatives it happens to be fiscal discipline and the federal takeover of the private sector. For liberals it was the war until their president and congress forgot the war was happening so that they could focus on punishing the rich and expanding the entitlement programs in order to buy votes.
Both sides are corrupt and power hungry. Our public servants are all getting rich by serving themselves. 78 percent of Americans are in favor of term limits in Congress and yet if you email any of your representatives asking where they stand they’ll tell you that that would be terrible because then people can’t vote for who they want. The truth is the longer they’re in there the more support they can buy from interest groups so that they have more money to buy your vote. So in essence they buy your vote with your own tax money. Give a company a 60 million dollar contract, get 100,000 dollars in campaign donation. It happens all the time right in front of our eyes and the media doesn’t focus on it.
Posted by: Aaron Michael | October 31, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
George, I bet you can’t stand it. Well, you can count on attack Sarah Palin week with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC.
It is very clear why the left and the MSM attack Sarah Palin without mercy – they are scared to death of her.
Well, I for one will never fall for the BS by the MSM and the left bloggers against Palin.
Posted by: jlpillinois | October 31, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
I, for one, will be happy to see a candidate who is successful in private life bring his experiences to government. We have too many career politicians making decisions for those of us fighting to survive in the “real world” they know nothing about. They need to be replaced.
Posted by: Gary | October 31, 2009, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
“Palin will govern this land over my dead body. I know many other moderates that feel this way as well. I’ll say it again, she will do nothing but bring harm to your party.”
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I strongly doubt that is a sacrifice you will have to make SL, but I’ll be beside you in all other less drastic measures.
I just can’t see Sarah Palin as anything more than she has already been, and that proved to be too much for her. I won’t join those who rant and demonize her, but you are absolutely right. She is not good for the true Republican Party.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
“I, for one, will be happy to see a candidate who is successful in private life bring his experiences to government.”
—
I do hope you use the pronoun ‘his’ in the non-gender specific manner and not in the sexist manner it appears.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Winners.
Conservatives
Losers,
DEMOCRATS
When Conservatives out number GOP party members 2 to 1 AND when you can be a GOP OR Democrat and still be a conservative it is not good for the Democrat.
GOP is having a problem with image and message but that will not help the Democrat win.
Being a conservative cuts across party lines and it isn’t good for the GOP you might say George but when its a conservative vs a Democrat its much worse for the Democrats than GOP.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: David from WI | October 31, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Bring on Sarah Palin you betcha I’ll vote for her over any liberal running.Not only that she won’t lie, like our current liar and chief.
Posted by: wayne | October 31, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
To David from WI, Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes not.
I’m thrilled to say I totally agree with your comments:
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When Conservatives out number GOP party members 2 to 1 AND when you can be a GOP OR Democrat and still be a conservative it is not good for the Democrat.
GOP is having a problem with image and message but that will not help the Democrat win.
Being a conservative cuts across party lines and it isn’t good for the GOP you might say George but when its a conservative vs a Democrat its much worse for the Democrats than GOP.
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Well said, very well said!
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Saracuda’s Tsunami has begun…this is going to be fun :)
Posted by: shari | October 31, 2009, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Yeah Palin……………..You done good sending out a message that we are tired of the two party corrupt politican game. The Obama kool aid drunks are already whinning.
Posted by: VeryPainfulTruth | October 31, 2009, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
“extreme”?
Anyone to the right of Karl Marx is extreme to Georgie.
Posted by: G Washington | October 31, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
wayne, She’s already lied. Like when she said she was cleared of any ethics violations. Oh, and then she quit.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
According to PPP Polling:
Hoffman has polled consistently at 45-46% all day, Owens up a little since Scozzafava dropout but still doesn’t look close
Posted by: Angelo | October 31, 2009, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
I suppose moderate Republican women can take a hike now that the party has been taken over by the wing-nuts.
Posted by: doug | October 31, 2009, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Obama just saw his re-election hopes dashed.
The Great Marxist Expreriment has died an untimely death.
Posted by: G Washington | October 31, 2009, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
She probably didn’t want to associate herself with the loonies. Kind of an honor thing.
Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Sarah Palin to me seems like the only genuine person in politics today. Her endorsement of the candidate in NY was a huge risk but she made that endorsement anyway because she believes in a vision of American success. You might not agree with her vision but can anyone realistically say that what we see out of Washington today is the answer to moving our contry forward? I just dont see it; Obama and Bush are no different. They are both party insiders who push for the same world view, support the same failed economic policies, and have the same arrogant swagger.
As a nineteen year old my generation will inherit the failures of both Obama and Bush. I think it is time for a real change. Sarah Palin may be the only hope my generation has of living the same quality of life that my grand parents had. Even more important, she may be the last hope my generation has for living in a free society.
Posted by: Raven | October 31, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
==Sarah Palin to me seems like the only genuine person in politics today. ==
Michele Bachman is an up’n'comer rabid Conservative, too. She’s gonna be in the mix, too.
Be afraid, Libs. Be very afraid.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
The best thing Palin and Bachman will do, for now, is make Republicans more conservative which is a GREAT thing.
I’d like Palin in the Senate and Bachman in the House, or the Senate, prob’ly Senate. This would set Palin up very well for ’12.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
“Michele Bachman is an up’n'comer rabid Conservative, too.”
Yes, they all seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Posted by: Rudy | October 31, 2009, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Second, sorry hun, but Palin was cleared and cleared and cleared of ethics violations but that didn’t stop the kool-aid drunks from harassing her constantly with FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS that also wasted taxpayer money and kept her from accomplishing what she had been doing in Alaska—–kicking out corrupt politicans on both sides. She played it smart by resigning which slowed the bots down and frees her up to make an even bigger difference.
Posted by: VeryPainfulTruth | October 31, 2009, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
I love Michelle Bachman—–she’s more polished than Palin and probably even a bigger threat to the bots. Either woman would make an excellent president not just first woman president. As a woman, I’d be proud of either of these women becoming president. Both of these women are far more qualified than McCain Bush and certainly that moron Obama.
Posted by: VeryPainfulTruth | October 31, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
I don’t like this “conservative” title so much….I’m a fiscal conservative…stress on fiscal. Republicans need to get off the abortion thing and focus on the economy, immigration, taxes, and reigning in the ever growing socialist government.
Posted by: VeryPainfulTruth | October 31, 2009, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
“Michele Bachman is an up’n'comer rabid Conservative, too.”
Yes, they all seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Posted by: Rudy | Oct 31, 2009 9:31:09 PM
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We begin to correct a year from now the mistake that was made last November.
Further correction in ’12. Palin and Bachman will be in the mix, and that has Libs very worried. That means that we Conservatives are doing something right…and correct.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
==Republicans need to get off the abortion thing…==
We have no such need.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
==…Palin was cleared and cleared and cleared of ethics violations but that didn’t stop the kool-aid drunks from harassing her constantly….==
Libs don’t know the effect their mean spirits have had.
It has served only to make’er stronger and make us like her even more for her stickin’ with it in the face of persecution.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | October 31, 2009, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
I just love echo chambers and belief in ideological purity.
I think a lot of Dems and GOPers are in for a surprise in 2010 and 2012 when the results deviate considerably from what the chatterboxes expect now.
Posted by: Danimal | October 31, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Incrediable…most support abortions especially we women that normally would not have an abortion except in extreme circumstances…..male republican obsession with abortions (which I think has more to do with them not being to ablee to control what a woman decides) chases many of we independent women away at polling time. If the republicans focused on what really matters —the economy and stopping the communist Obama train of fools, they will win the next election.
Posted by: VeryPainfulTruth | October 31, 2009, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
I suppose moderate Republican women can take a hike now that the party has been taken over by the wing-nuts.
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No, we moderate Republican women will not be taking a hike. We don’t give up that easily. We and our male moderate conservatives are the real Republican Party and we WILL regain control.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Copied and pasted from the Washington Times, June 08, 2009: “The accusations made news, but with another dismissal of an ethics charge last week against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential nominee has quietly been cleared of every ethics complaint filed since the torrent of allegations began in 2008.
Mrs. Palin, who became a target of such complaints after being named Sen. John McCain’s running mate, is 14-for-14 in fighting off the complaints. She’s been cleared of 13 charges by the independent State Personnel Board and of another complaint by the Federal Election Commission (FEC). ” Now, SecondLook…exactly WHO is telling the lies???
Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
==Republicans need to get off the abortion thing…==
The abortion ‘thing’ is not just a ‘thing’ regardless of an individual’s personal opinion.
Some Republicans vehemently oppose ALL abortions.
Some Republicans vehemently support ALL abortions.
Some Republicans (including me) believe abortions are necessary in limited circumstances, but oppose how Rowe vs Wade is being used to support abortion on demand AS a post-conception birth control.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
It’s easy to understand why some liberals believe that Palin was not cleared of the ethics charges (besides just not WANTING to believe it)….when the (false) charges were brought against her, the MSM had a field day with 48 Font headlines. Then, when she was cleared of each one….maybe, just maybe, a tiny story on page 14….The MSM displays such mind control on the liberals, it’s almost funny. Not quite, but almost. But it is VERY predictable
Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Like when she said she was cleared of any ethics violations. Oh, and then she quit.
Second Look, you know, I hope, that I have a great deal of respect for you. And I am ready and willing to believe you.
So please, tell me one ethics charge Sarah Palin was NOT cleared. I honestly would like to know, because I can find nothing that mentions even one.
As for her quitting, I agree it was wrong…wrong move for her, unfair to Alaska because they elected her for a full term. I simply do not buy into the leftwing nuts’ hype that the whole state suddenly hated her.
But, didn’t ‘Senator’ Obama quit? I mean he was elected to serve as a senator for his state. He quit to ‘take’ another job. Right?
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Malcat, you are absolutely right. Most conservatives understand the differences between abortion for convenience and abortion for necessity. As a former fetus, I am very much against abortion. As a grandfather that held and protected my daughter for voer 20 years, and who has held and loved my grandchildren….i cannot fathom abortion for birth control. But as a paramedic who has tended young pregnant women in life threatening circumstances, I can understand why abortion may be necessary. Liberals see only black and white. They cannot understand those shades of gray. So they say that conservatives are anti-women because we don’t generally support abortion. That makes them feel better about themselves.
Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
If the republicans focused on what really matters —the economy and stopping the communist Obama train of fools, they will win the next election
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I am a Republican and I do focus on the economy, health insurance reform, the 2 wars that are killing our warriors, and other important matters.
I also am concerned about the excessive use of abortions. I can focus on many things. As can a whole lot of other Republicans.
As for “the communist Obama train of fools”, sorry I prefer to keep it on a higher level. So I’ll just say that, unless President Obama changes many of his policies, I will support and vote for the candidate I believe will better serve the USA.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Mal – Sat., Oct . 11, 2008
ANCHORAGE, “Alaska – Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday. “………. then she proceeded to go forth and tell everybody that it cleared her. It didn’t find her in voilation for firing the other guy, but she got it for this. As far as quitting? No governor that has not completed one term has EVER quit and gone on to run for President. Unheard of. Ronald Reagan quit. On his third. Senators aren’t the same. It is what it is. I might also add she’s governor over the lowest populated state on the planet. So whoop on her experience either. The right put down Blago big time over being an inexperienced governor, and she had way more people and time in office.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Blanco? Not Blago? Heck it all blends now. lol
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Hey ncpilot – VERY INTERESTING that you used The Washington Times to show that Palin was cleared of everything. FALSE. The Washington Times? Owned by The Rev. Sun Moon. He believes he was sent here to correct the mistakes of Jesus and that he’s a messiah. He invented Moonies. Recently had another world wide mass wedding. Big time in bed with republican and owns a paper and lies (and now we see this on here. Bush had him to the WH to thank him for his propaganda paper. At one point they crowned him king in some senate room (don’t ask me – just one strange story). Just remember this the next time you run down Soros for being a foreigner that influences badly. BTW, I don’t support him either.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Liberals see only black and white. They cannot understand those shades of gray.
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ncpilot, Thanks for explaining your position so I could understand better. I love to hear others viewpoints; I tend to learn so much.
But I’m on a ‘mini-campaign’ along with a few others who post on news articles to encourage civility and fairness to our debates.
I know many who are more liberal than I that do agree with our viewpoints on abortion. Heck, some are even more conservative than I on this ONE specific issue.
So before I can agree with you, I would like to change your statement to “SOME liberals see only black and white. They appear unable to understand those shades of gray.
I hope you don’t mind.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
“Liberals see only black and white. They cannot understand those shades of gray.”…… I’m sorry, but I just can’t let this go. Conservatives absolutely view things in black and white. Liberals are gray. They’re so gray it’s why they have trouble making up their minds (anything come to mind at the moment?), frequently change their minds, and are made fun of for this off the right.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Funny how Palins defeats are always defeats for the Democratic Party too. The Democrats have not came close to holding a seat in this district since post the civil war.
Posted by: milesbrown49 | October 31, 2009, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Thanks SecondLook, I stand corrected, again! I see where you’re coming from now. I got so lost in that issue, I couldn’t figure out who actually did what to who and why!!
But I still have to say that giving up a seat in the Senate to run for another office is quitting. He was elected to a full term and didn’t stay for the full term. So, I guess we will just have to disagree on that one.
As for Sarah Palin’s experience? I don’t think she has the experience or knowledge to be a governor, a senator, and definitely, abso-tively not the president of the USA.
I’m not sure I agree with your reasoning because Alaska has less people. I mean it’s darn big, brimming with valuable natural resources, it’s climate is extreme to the max making security and welfare of its people difficult. I don’t think it’s fair to Alaska and its people to dismiss it and them like that.
Did I misunderstand your meaning?
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Seriously? Sarah Palin has credibility for some people? We are definitely becoming two different countries.
Posted by: lovebugs720 | October 31, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
A senator stepping down for President isn’t viewed as the same. Just saying.
Alaska is rich in oil, they give citizens money back for living there, they pay no state and sales tax, they have the lowest taxes period, 47th in population, AND for the last 9 out of 10 years has received the most federal money of all states. In other words, cake walk compared to running a typical state.
It’s easy to be popular when you’re so flush.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
“Conservatives absolutely view things in black and white. Liberals are gray. They’re so gray it’s why they have trouble making up their minds (anything come to mind at the moment?), frequently change their minds, and are made fun of for this off the right.”
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Nope, no way can I let you by on this one. Remember me, a conservative? I do not see things in just black and white, so I disprove your statement.
Well, except for my religious beliefs. I’m defintely black/white, right/wrong on that. But those are my personal beliefs based on my relationship to God, so I better not be wishy-washy there.
And I would have to accuse conservatives of the same problems you assign to the liberals. Let’s face it, SL, 99.99999999% of humans are indecisive to the point of catatonic arrest.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
YIPES, I just realized we have been using that ‘black or white’ phrase. I’ve been told by many of my black friends they LOATHE that phrase.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
mal2 – You’re an exception to the rule and very moderate (hope that doesn’t offend – lol). The moderate ones aren’t so black and white. The far right people are indeed very black and white. Most strong on abortion are far right. They have a set of beliefs and they don’t waiver. Show me somebody far left and they’re all over the map and typically a kook. lol It gets confusing lately though. Liberals aren’t always real liberal lately I’ve noticed. And on the far side of right they’d make it illegal to burn a flag tomorrow while yelling about freedom.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
If comparing “colors” at the opposite ends of the spectrum is now racist I’m leaving the country.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
“A senator stepping down for President isn’t viewed as the same. Just saying.”
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Sorry, leaving one job before completing the ‘contract’ is quitting. That is how I view it. Just because it’s a promotion doesn’t lessen the negative impact on the job left unfinished.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
‘If comparing “colors” at the opposite ends of the spectrum is now racist I’m leaving the country.”
—It’s because they claim that people think of the ‘black’ as bad and the ‘white’ as good.
I’ve tried to explain that neither has a value, but I guess they see it different than me.
I tease those that can take it and respect the overly sensitive feelings of those that can’t.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
If Palin was male I might loathe her worse.
A senator isn’t in charge of a whole state, and is but a vote as a fish in the sea for the most part. Besides some federal earmarks and pork maybe. You’re the only one viewing it this way. lol
It was rumored when she returned from the run she lost interest in working. Many people compalained about her going MIA. Then when you figure in to this a nasty recession was playing out and they would also hurt in Alaska (besides, the king of pork left the senate), I think she left before it got too uncomfy. Also to make money. No way was it why she said as she lacks the ability to have virtue and will I’m sure prove it in the future to some people that can’t seem to read her.
She’s out for herself. I have no doubt.
Here’s a prediction. We’ll see if I’m right. Coming up she’ll do something that will make her fans view her entirely differently, and she’ll have a harsh fall from grace. She might also hurt your party. It’s looking more and more like she will split it.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
Not me, I’m not offended. Of course I have various ‘levels’ of moderate vs conservative demanding on the specific issue.
I agree on the confusion though. I’m beginning to think we need to worry less about h1n1 and more about the epidemic of schizophrenia running rampant through the country!
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
You have got to be kidding me?? It has nothing to do with people color. In this is “gray.” What’s that supposed to be? People that are mixed? lol
Have I mentioned how sick of some of this PC stuff I am? Good grief, if we’re going to have freedom of speech some people need to get they’ll occasionally be offended. This one isn’t one of those times they even should. I even view it more as a newspaper.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
OMG there’s one we can agree on. The crazy in this nation is scary.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
“Here’s a prediction. We’ll see if I’m right. Coming up she’ll do something that will make her fans view her entirely differently, and she’ll have a harsh fall from grace. She might also hurt your party. It’s looking more and more like she will split it.”
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See, great minds do think alike! ;-)
I expect her to totally blow it in the not too distant future. She is just not capable of dealing with the stress and challenges.
I totally think she will hurt the Republican Party and the nation as a whole if she doesn’t face the truth and gracefully bow out. There are way too many far-far-far right wingers who are blinded to her faults. It’s scary!
However, I do not think she is the personification of evil that so many believe her to be. Like I said, by ALL reports (except those with an obvious motivation to say otherwise) she did a good job as mayor of that small town.
I think that is her level of expertise. If I had a chance, I would advise her to take some time off, get her head together, and then pursue something like that again.
But the way she is going, she really will lose everything.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
“Have I mentioned how sick of some of this PC stuff I am? Good grief, if we’re going to have freedom of speech some people need to get they’ll occasionally be offended. This one isn’t one of those times they even should. I even view it more as a newspaper.”
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Me too on the PC cr**! I was re-reading the Constituion the other day helping a young friend with a school paper. I could not find where it said that anyone had the right to NOT be offended.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
I’m cracking up because I totally view her as a vindictive mean girl. Look what she’s doing to the father of her grand kid. Before you take up for her? Who is the adult here? lol She’d look better if she didn’t go after the kid. I believe the stories about how if she decides she has a problem with you she will take you down. She has a string of people she’s fired on a whim.
My favorite Palin classic? The ethics thing. SHE is the person that set that up to where anybody could file a complaint. Then she messed it up to where it was illegal that she get public money to defend herself? I would agree a sitting gov should be protected. It just made me laugh that it was her bright idea and that it bit her because she didn’t do it right.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
If Palin has the kind of power suggested by this article, then the GOP is more pathetic then I ever imagined and the democrats have a free reign. She will suck every comment on her “clout” into her enlarging ego and run as an Independent in 2012, there by guaranteeing a win for Obama. Hallelujah.
Posted by: JR | October 31, 2009, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Well, I’ll have to disagree about the almost-soninlaw issue. I think our individual views on Mrs. Palin are coloring how look at this. I view him as a conniving little attention-seeker. I mean he’s going to pose nude? What kind of father-example will that be? Sorry, my prudish side is kicking in. Yuck!
I won’t get into the ‘taking people down’. I really don’t want to get into my views of the WH vs Fox News. So can we just avoid that topic? Please?
I have to agree on the ethics thing. What a very, very bad move on her part. Left her high and dry when her enemies pounced.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
And the ethics mess demonstrates my view of her ability. She didn’t handle it right. She is not governor material.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
I didn’t take up for him. But he’s a kid. I have one that age. They’re doof. lol Besides, he was sure perfect when they needed to dress him up and parade him when she stumped.
I honestly can’t recall who said the first bad thing. I just think she’d come out looking better to take the high road. Heck, I think he’s shopping his “secrets” to some rag or something. It might get mud ugly.
I have examples of Fox News (not Beck) lying if you’d like to hear them. lol Then there’s the lawsuit they had where they admitted they wanted to force an anchor to lie, and argued they didn’t have to tell the truth. And the judge agreed. It’s the same thing that the right ran Dan Rather out of town over.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
“I have to agree on the ethics thing. What a very, very bad move on her part. Left her high and dry when her enemies pounced.”………. Naive? Like it never entered her mind it could get abused? And it did get abused. I didn’t approve of that.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
No way do I want to hear Beck’s voice. Pul—leeze don’t make me. Besides, unless I hear something live, I swallow a BIG shaker of salt when I listen to a recorded speech.
Even I could make people believe the Pope worships the great god Moogli-Ooogli. So I’m certain all politicians, news outlets and nuts on both sides of the issue can do it too.
Of course Levi is shopping for top dollar for his ‘book’. Maybe it will be published as a sequel in PlayGirl.
Personnally, I doubt he knows what deoderant Mr. Palin uses let alone anything worth bucks to even The Enguirer. But I’m sure some gullible so-called journalist will pay big only to had he’s been taken.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
I said that because on his last interview he said he had secrets he’d never tell. That would hurt her. They’ve already called him. Maybe he planned it.
Then she put out her statement running him down. Which also cracked me up because she ran down CBS over it as well. And yet she was just fussing about freedom of speech and how the WH was dogging on Fox. That’s the second time she’s run down CBS. But Obama can’t?
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
“Naive? Like it never entered her mind it could get abused? ”
Naive, ignorant, unaware of the cruelties of life, plain stupidity. Take your pick. I can’t read her mind, so I don’t know why.
It’s not something a world-wise, politically-savvy person would have done.
I just know she did it, it was a big mistake, and she got hurt bad because of it.
Like I said, the fact she DID it proves she wasn’t suited to that level of political gameship.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
You know how everybody’s written off Obama?
I gave George 4 years. I figure I can give him time.
Posted by: secondlook | October 31, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
You keep referring to Levi as a ‘kid’. The kid is either capable of scheming on his own or he has some very savvy advisors/handlers.
I think he is being used by the far-left to damage the Palins. Saying “I have secrets that could hurt her but I won’t” is either stupid and childish or it’s sly and scheming.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
My God, is there no end to the presence of Sarah Palin?!?
This functionally-illiterate and socio-politically-geographically ignorant person is a festering boil on the U.S. political scene.
Will someone PUH-LEEZE stick a needle in her and drain off the pus? My Heavens, this person is George W. Bush in pumps!
Posted by: saftgek | October 31, 2009, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
“You know how everybody’s written off Obama?
I gave George 4 years. I figure I can give him time.”
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I’m willing to give President Obama time to do good. It’s some of the things he has already done that I take issue with.
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Second Look, note the post by saftgek. See what I mean about demonization?
Now that is scary!
Posted by: malcat | October 31, 2009, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
I suppose you could be right about the left – but my impression is she’s met her match. He’s a mini her. Out for himself. lol I think the dems right now are fretting over healthcare more than Palin. Besides, her history already suggests there’s no way in heck she should ever win a race. They have formulas and so far her quit put her out of the game according to history.
I bet some rag pays him about a mil. lol
Posted by: secondlook | November 1, 2009, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Yep, he will get millions! All because he and a young lady fell in love, had unprotected sex, fathered a child who just happened to be the grandchild of a sitting governor running for national office.
Only in America!
I hope you are right about Sarah Palin. Her running for national office would be a disaster for her, for whatever Party she claims, and the nation as a whole.
Posted by: malcat | November 1, 2009, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Saftgek doesn’t condemn all republicans, nor does this woman hold the office of President?
And who am I kidding? I loathe her that much. lol
This is a woman that stopped short of outright calling Obama a terrorist on the campaign trail. She was about as demonizing as it can get. Maybe that’s why I feel no pity for her. She was the worst I’ve ever seen.
Posted by: secondlook | November 1, 2009, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Honestly, SL, what did she actually do that so very many other politicians running for office didn’t also do?
I’m really confused about the extreme hatred against this woman.
She called the other side bad names. Mr. Obama called McCain senile.
She paraded her children around during the campaign. I recall some nice film of the two very personable Obama girls.
She made boastful statements about herself and McCain. Were you deaf when Obama and Biden were speaking?
Help me out, please. What did she do that justifies such hate?
Posted by: malcat | November 1, 2009, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Her entire stump was demonizing Obama. Again, terrorist? What the heck? You know, that whole “pals around with?” ENTIRE.
You know, to best answer this? Go on TubeU and watch her rallys – or the people lining up. The guy with the Curious George doll. The children sounding prejudiced. Tons of hateful talk. Remember the yells of “kill him?” I’ve never in my life seen anything like what went down with her speaking. I blame her. Remember, McCain had to finally tell some at a rally to cool it.
Posted by: secondlook | November 1, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am
So your saying that because she insulted Obama; because some of her followers displayed hate toward him. That’s why?
By your own statement “This is a woman that stopped short of outright calling Obama a terrorist on the campaign trail.” she didn’t call him a terrorist.
Mr. and Mrs. Obama did have a close relationship with some rather questionable people.
Ayer aggressively, publicly and proudly called for the overthrow of the US government. In my book, he is a traitor.
The Obamas and their children attended a church for years pastored by a man who called upon God Almight to damn the USA…because of the pastor’s racist hatred of white people.
And I KNOW that could not have been a one-time thing. My husband is a minister; I count as personal friends at least 10 ministers. Trust me, no minister is going to stand before his congregation and deliver that type of sermon unless he is POSITIVE his congregation will approve.
You are an intelligent, rational woman. Can you not see how those acknowledged relationships could make many good, decent Americans extremely upset?
We are talking politics and politicians. All politicians make outlandish accusations and allegations against their opponents. All politicians deliberately and purposefully stir up their supportors.
It’s been going on for centuries. And President Obama did it too. But people like even you hate/despise this one woman.
I’m sorry, my friend, I simply cannot understand it. You’re just not getting through to me.
Maybe we should just drop the topic. After all, we both agree Sarah Palin is not fit to play on the national political scene. Let’s just leave it at that.
Posted by: malcat | November 1, 2009, 12:32 am 12:32 am
SecondLook, I hate to sign-off without hearing back from you. I so much hope I haven’t offended you.
But I’ve just been told my mother has been taken to the hospital. I need to be there.
Again, I hope I haven’t offended you.
Posted by: malcat | November 1, 2009, 12:45 am 12:45 am
So, Palin gets credit for destroying a Republican and someone on this list declares that’s a good thing because of all the liberals/socialists/communists/blah…blkah…blah…
All it proves is that the conservatives would rather back someone who is supported by a quitter who could care less about America.
Palin quit being Governor of Alaska so she could sucker people out of their money for a book. Both her and her husband are crook and her rise to power shows that suckers are born every minute.
Posted by: algwriter | November 1, 2009, 12:48 am 12:48 am
mal, she might as well outright said it because that is about the only thing she stopped short on.
I once knew a bank robber and a mass murderer (two dif. people – jr. high with the 2nd) in my home town. Does this make me one? They exaggerated the Ayres relationship. Abramoff visited everybody in the Bush WH and he’s behind bars. Gee, I bet republicans were chummy with Madoff too? Does this make them all guilty of that? Isn’t this one “false witness” after a point?
How many times have you been around people you might not approve of 100%? We all do it from time to time. A politician would a lot. They will all have some of this.
I look at his church this way. I am not black and I am not remotely going to judge that one. Heck, more so now. It’s clear to me now that I was naive and thought we were further along with race in this country. (Not speculating – I know from what I have personally heard and it saddens me. I am shocked at my mom’s peers mostly.) The minister in question was older and had personally experienced things you and I can’t have a clue about. Show me somebody younger and I’ll be inclined to think they have more of a chip. Show me 65ish and I’ll show you somebody that has had things go down you and I can not get.
I can’t stand Sharpton nor Jackson – but I won’t stand in judgment of this guy. I can’t get it because I’m not of his color. And I’m sorry but this country has done some horrible stuff in this area.
Posted by: secondlook | November 1, 2009, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Fascists used to call things like this PURGES.
Posted by: B.Bear | November 1, 2009, 1:11 am 1:11 am
In addition to the legislative Troopergate investigation that found Sarah Palin guilty of an ethics violation, there was another ethics complaint in which she was not cleared. That case was resolved by virtue of a “settlement agreement.” Palin agreed to repay nearly $10,000 in taxpayer money that had been used to cover trips for her children. Her spokesman said she was also committed to paying any back taxes involved. Then too is the issue of back taxes due on more than $17,000 of improper per diem payments for the cost eating at home – more than 300 times. Not only did she take the payments, she didn’t report them as income.
Another thing to remember is it was the Alaska State Personnel Board that cleared her of ethics charges. All members of the Personnel Board were appointed by the governor’s office, and Palin herself had the power to fire them.
Posted by: WWW | November 1, 2009, 1:50 am 1:50 am
Why does the media continue to give this racist idiot Sharpton – a platform? Was Homer Simpson all booked up??
Posted by: Michael W | November 1, 2009, 5:53 am 5:53 am
Won´t someone give credit to the voters in the district? Seems like they are the ones who are demonstrating their preferences. The party bigwigs are just following behind, and that´s the way it should be.
Posted by: BachisBest | November 1, 2009, 6:05 am 6:05 am
Peter: I agree with your 3 republican examples, but I would suggest those are “old-style” republican ideals.
Today’s republicans want to pass laws based on their religious beliefs (ie antiabortion; ani gay marriage) to restrict what you can or can’t do (yet they will tell you how free you are).
Todays republicans boast “small government” but do little to shrink it. And while they may cut your taxes, they allow business the opportunity to levy outrageous fees against us (take a look at your phone/internet bill sometime) not too mention “hidden taxes”.
AND… whenever a republican is called out on not living up to their “core values” – They promptly and without question blame a democrat.
Posted by: Troy Street | November 1, 2009, 6:25 am 6:25 am
JackSmith: Your definition of Republicans’ view of “sexual orientation” may fit for some liberal Republicans in the northeast, however such a view is out of step with the mainstream of the GOP across the country. As far as the religious right dig, well they make up the majority of the GOP so I would have to say that those “zealots” and their beliefs are very Republican. Gay rights and secularism have NEVER been a part of the Republican lexicon since before the days of Lincoln. Face it, liberal Republicans are a dying breed and the party is so much the better for it.
Regarding the issue of you knowing of conservatism, I really have to ask if you only know about the mouthpieces at Fox News, talk radio, National Review and the Weekly Standard. Most liberals have never heard of names like Russell Kirk, Richard Weaver, Robert Nisbet, or Eric Voegelin and really could care less.
Posted by: N. P. West | November 1, 2009, 6:50 am 6:50 am
JackSmith…that post was intended for Peter, sorry!
As far as the race in Upstate New York, I live 30 minutes from that district. The Republican who used to represent it was a moderate, however it is probably the most conservative district in New York (aside from the district where Batavia is). Doug Hoffman represents Upstate conservatism and will no doubt win. Even a popular moderate like former Gov. George Pataki endorsed him!
Posted by: N. P. West | November 1, 2009, 6:55 am 6:55 am
As far as the race in Upstate New York, I live 30 minutes from that district. The Republican who used to represent it was a moderate, however it is probably the most conservative district in New York (aside from the district where Batavia is). Doug Hoffman represents Upstate conservatism and will no doubt win. Even a popular moderate like former Gov. George Pataki endorsed him!
Posted by: N. P. West | November 1, 2009, 6:56 am 6:56 am
THANK YOU SARAH I LOVE THAT GIRL.
Posted by: DANIEL | November 1, 2009, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Sarah has all the libs going nuts I love it.
Posted by: DANIEL | November 1, 2009, 7:55 am 7:55 am
“Clearly the local GOP in NY nominated someone out of step with the national party and provided a wide opening for the Conservative Party candidate.”
I wonder how much the national party knows about this district? I am curious to see the impact on the poll results for the remaining two candidates.
Posted by: Paul G | November 1, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
i luv U george! U finally admitted that we Ross Pirot Independents always hold the winning hand in any election! when do we get a seat at the round table? i personally nominate me!
Posted by: Jim Jordan | November 1, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
==Incrediable [sic]…most support abortions especially we women that normally would not have an abortion except in extreme circumstances…..==
Most abortions are performed are elective, not necessary, except to save the social life of the mother.
==male republican obsession with abortions…==
Yes, we’re obscessed with the life of persons, as is the Constitution.
==… (which I think has more to do with them not being to ablee to control what a woman decides)…==
Garbage.
==… chases many of we [sic] independent women away at polling time. ==
Tough.
==If the republicans focused on what really matters —the economy and stopping the communist Obama train of fools…==
But abandon the life of unborn persons…
==… they will win the next election.==
They’re gonna win anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | November 1, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Nevermind all the Lib meanspiritedness. Palin and Bachman are forces to be reckoned with in a year and, then, in three years.
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | November 1, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Mr. Incredible,
Sic unto others as you would have them sic unto you.
or
Let he who is without error cast the first sic.
Posted by: Good for the Goose | November 1, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Mr. Incredible,
==Sic unto others as you would have them sic unto you.==
That’s what I did.
==or
Let he who is without error cast the first sic.==
Aaaannnnnddd the point would be…
Posted by: Mr. Incredible | November 2, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am