Soft Middle: On Afghanistan, health care, Obama appeals to center that may not be there
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: He wanted a deliberative process, and now he's got one — actually, more than one.
On Afghanistan, and simultaneously on health care, President Obama is on a search for a middle ground that may not exist.
The eighth anniversary of the war in Afghanistan is Wednesday, and the president's wide-ranging strategy discussions are firmly in the public sphere — now with 30 would-be generals who happen to control the purse strings adding their voices.
The president is rejecting the extremes of the argument — it's not just pull out or double down — but in the nuances rest the political perils. (Nothing quite like going into a critical stretch in a presidency-defining war with everybody hating the new strategy just a little.)
And the continued courtship of Republicans and Democratic moderates on health care — plus the roll-out of GOP supporters from outside Washington — continues as the bill itself languishes in an odd limbo state. There are four, but not-quite five bills done, with no floor action scheduled, plenty of delays ahead, and still no firm guidance from the top on critical elements.
(All while perceptions of the electoral landscape — and, with GOP recruiting coups, the landscape itself — shifts around the president's feet.)
First — a hopeful sign for the White House, or what passes for it these days, after months of salesmanship:
Obama's job approval is pegged at 56 percent — the first uptick in the AP poll since he took office.
Plus: "The latest Associated Press-GfK poll has found that opposition to Obama's health care remake dropped dramatically in just a matter of weeks. Still, Americans remain divided over complex legislation that Democrats are advancing in Congress," the AP's Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Trevor Tompson report.
"The public is split 40-40 on supporting or opposing the health care legislation, the poll found. An even split is welcome news for Democrats, a sharp improvement from September, when 49 percent of Americans said they opposed the congressional proposals and just 34 percent supported them," they continue. "In a significant change, opposition among older Americans dropped 16 percentage points."
But what of those indies? Gallup has Democrats up just 46-44 in a generic ballot question — and you know why: "The Republican Party's relatively strong position on the generic ballot in the latest poll, conducted Oct. 1-4, stems from the support of political independents, who now favor Republican over Democratic candidates by 45% to 36%. In July, independents were evenly divided in their party voting preferences, whereas last fall they showed a clear preference for the Democrats."
On Afghanistan — coalition-building begins at home:
"Mr. Obama seemed to be searching for some sort of middle ground, saying he wanted to ‘dispense with the straw man argument that this is about either doubling down or leaving Afghanistan,' as White House officials later described his remarks," Peter Baker and Jeff Zeleny report in The New York Times.
"But as the war approached its eight-year anniversary on Wednesday, the session underscored the perilous crosscurrents awaiting Mr. Obama. While some Democrats said they would support whatever he decided, others challenged him about sending more troops. And Republicans pressed him to order the escalation without delay, leading to a pointed exchange between the president and Senator John McCain of Arizona, his Republican opponent from last year's election."
"Half-measures is what I worry about," McCain told reporters after the meeting.
So do the troops: "A concern that the troops we've spoken to do have is that the people in Washington will come up with a compromise," ABC's Chris Cuomo reported on "Good Morning America" Wednesday, from Afghanistan. "They are afraid of compromise."
Does a middle even exist here? ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "No one I talked to believes the President has made up his mind. But it sure sounds like he's searching for a middle ground — a position that may not please anyone from the start. If that's the course Obama takes, can he make the case? Likely to be his biggest test yet."
Tending a base, of sorts: The president "suggested he is looking at the middle range of the spectrum, somewhere between a major increase in forces and a large drawdown," Christi Parsons and James Oliphant report in the Los Angeles Times. "The afternoon congressional summit appeared designed to be an olive branch to Republican lawmakers not invited to the White House in half a year. Afterward, they flocked to microphones set up outside the West Wing to voice support for a troop increase should the generals advocate one."
Is this who the president wants to depend on? "In an unusual twist, Republicans on Tuesday sought to provide President Barack Obama with political cover should he decide to send tens of thousands more U.S. troops to Afghanistan," The Hill's Mike Soraghan, Molly K. Hooper and Sam Youngman report.
"The partisan split evident after the meeting, which 30 lawmakers attended, illustrated the political challenge Obama faces in Congress over this conflict," The Washington Post's Scott Wilson reports. "Opinion polls show that only a minority of Americans believe the battle is worth fighting, and much of that opposition is rooted in the Democratic Party."
Guess who else the president could have on his side?
Sarah Palin, on Facebook (of course) — endorsing calls for more troops and warning against "cold feet": "Our allies and our adversaries are watching to see if we have the staying power to protect our interests in Afghanistan. I recently joined a group of Americans in urging President Obama to devote the resources necessary in Afghanistan and pledged to support him if he made the right decision. Now is not the time for cold feet, second thoughts, or indecision — it is the time to act as commander-in-chief and approve the troops so clearly needed in Afghanistan."
As for the pressure on Gen. Stanley McChrystal: "There's no rift with McChrystal," Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., tells Foreign Policy's Josh Rogin.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board smells a scapegoat: "Democrats have found someone worth fighting in Afghanistan. His name is Stan McChrystal."
President Obama meets with his national-security team on Afghanistan and Pakistan at 3:30 pm ET, in the Situation Room.
Vice President Joe Biden is back on the trail Wednesday, raising money Gov. Jon Corzine, D-N.J., and Rep. Larry Kissell, D-N.C. ABC's Karen Travers: "Biden has held events for 20 members of Congress and brought in over $1 million this year."
You really want a foreign-policy challenge? We know this song…
ABC's Jonathan Karl: "Is the U.S. stepping up preparations for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities? The Pentagon is always making plans, but based on a little-noticed funding request recently sent to Congress, the answer to that question appears to be yes. . . . Now the Pentagon is shifting spending from other programs to fast forward the development and procurement of the Massive Ordnance Penetrator. The Pentagon comptroller sent a request to shift the funds to the House and Senate Appropriations and Armed Services Committees over the summer."
Camp Casey, coming to K Street? "She's back and this time, she's here to stay. Cindy Sheehan says she is moving to Washington," ABC's Yunji de Nies and Sunlen Miller report. "The anti-war activist was outside the White House for the second day in a row, with a bullhorn and a handful of protestors, shouting against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo and calling for ‘health care not warfare.' "
Concerns beyond foreign policy — on questions of political moorings: "Because Obama has yet to make significant movement on signature issues or achieve a definitive policy success, people are anxious and impatient. A lethal combination in a political context," Jonathan Capehart writes for Washingtonpost.com. "When questions about where Obama is on policy become questions about who he is at his core, negative impressions could harden, hurting his ability to actually get something done and quiet the criticism."
From the unsolicited advice department … Mark Penn, in a Politico op-ed: "In campaigns, it is easy to issue policy papers; in government, you have to choose the policies. In Round One, the president chose stimulus, more troops to Afghanistan and a bold vision of health care reform. Now it's time for the much tougher, and potentially politically costly, decisions of Round Two."
Looking forward to the next round of elections — some troubling perceptions for Democrats are beginning to take hold.
"Frankly, a lot of what's going on in Washington has made it very tough," gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds, D-VA., said in the WJLA-TV/Politico forum last night, per Jonathan Martin. "We had a very tough August because people were just uncomfortable with the spending; they were uncomfortable with a lot of what was going on, a lot of the noise that was coming out of Washington, D.C."
And what does this say about one political veteran's read on the political landscape? (Not to mention Republican recruiting successes for 2010 — which has gone from a defensive year to an offensive year for the GOP.)
"Mike Castle set up what could be the nation's most heated political race next year with his surprise announcement Tuesday that he will be running for the U.S. Senate," Ginger Gibson writes for the Wilmington News Journal. "The only missing piece for a political clash that could become the most expensive in Delaware history and attract wide national attention is whether Attorney General Beau Biden, as expected, will also seek the seat held until last year by his father, Vice President Joe Biden."
Stu Rothenberg makes the Delaware seat "Lean Takeover": "Even if Attorney General Beau Biden (D) runs for the open Senate seat – certainly not guaranteed given the cordial relations between Castle and Joe Biden over the years, and the fact that Castle would be filling only the last four years of Biden's unexpired term — Castle, the former governor who has been elected statewide for over 25 years, has the early advantage in the race."
Which brings us to health care — still making Afghanistan policy look easy.
"Senate Democrats are facing another round of delays in their effort to expand Americans' access to health care because of concern over the cost of the plan and demands that they disclose more about it," Bloomberg's Ryan J. Donmoyer and Laura Litvan report. "The Senate Finance Committee has yet to vote on its bill as it waits for the Congressional Budget Office to assess the cost. And a group of eight Democrats whose votes may be crucial to final passage urged that the public be given more time to read new drafts of the legislation."
ABC's Z. Byron Wolf does the math — and Democratic moderates in the Senate have the votes to force the issue: "That's 216 hours — 9 days — that the conservative Democrats want set aside for legislative meditation."
Other math that won't make things easier: "Congressional tax experts say Senate health care legislation would impose $29 billion more in taxes on health care industries than originally thought," the AP's Erica Werner reports. "The Joint Committee on Taxation says drug companies, medical device manufacturers and insurers would pay $121 billion over 10 years as a result of taxes in the Senate Finance Committee bill. That's compared with $92 billion originally calculated."
Looking forward to conference? "More than half of the Democrats in the House have signed on to a letter denouncing a key element of the Senate Finance Committee's health care legislation as labor unions draw a line in the sand on paying for reform," Politico's Ben Smith and Patrick O'Connor report. "The Democrats are attacking a plan to finance expanded health care by taxing expensive health insurance plans. The plan, sometimes cast as a tax on ‘Cadillac' plans, would in fact include the health care plans of many public employees and union members and has triggered a revolt from Obama's labor supporters and their many allies on the Hill."
Not impressed by all those boldfaced GOP names: "I don't believe these other Republicans are going to be for it when they see the final bill that's being written in the back rooms right now," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said on ABCNews.com's "Top Line" Tuesday.
No coincidences here: "Most of the endorsements came at the prompting of the White House political team. Each friendly statement was then immediately circulated and promoted by White House aides in e-mails and telephone calls," Michael D. Shear and Ceci Connolly write in The Washington Post.
Working on perhaps the most stubborn Democratic vote in the Finance Committee: "Democratic leaders resent having to scramble to secure Wyden's support in advance of a final committee vote on the Baucus bill later this week or next," Roll Call's Emily Pierce reports.
(FireDogLake has the backstory on why Wyden feels wronged by Chairman Max Baucus' leadership in committee.)
From the Rangel files — playing out on the House floor Wednesday.
Per the office of Rep. John Carter, R-Texas: "Members Wednesday will have to cast a recorded vote on whether it is acceptable for Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-NY) to evade federal taxes for over a decade, and yet pay none of the penalties and interest charges that the IRS piles on the average American taxpayer for far less serious offenses. House Republican Conference Secretary John Carter (R-TX) this morning is introducing a Privileged Resolution calling for Rangel to be removed as Chairman of the committee that oversees the IRS and the federal tax code, until the 16-month investigation of multiple tax, federal disclosure, and ethics violation charges against Chairman Rangel has been concluded."
Guess who has the votes? "House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer said Tuesday that he will move to block any Republican attempt this week to push Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel to step aside until an ethics probe is complete," CQ's Edward Epstein reports.
From the Pelosi files — the DCCC is firing back at the NRCC over the statement that Pelosi should be "put in her place" by McChrystal. The online petition drive is already up.
The Kicker:
"If you can't practice, you make a fool of yourself out here." — Tom DeLay, leaving "Dancing With the Stars" (but not before leaving behind memories of an impressive final costume).
"If you don't want to vote for me because I was wearing a bra with fruit, go ahead." — Adam Azia, one of about 50 lesser-known candidates for Sen. Ted Kennedy's seat in Massachusetts.
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Americans may be “divided” over Obama’s plans but opposition is definitely fading. The president’s arguments may not be winning enthusiastic converts but they are certainly convincing folks who were once dead-set against reform, etc., to look at it more favorably.
Posted by: matt | October 7, 2009, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Obama….
The constant lying.
The staggering arrogance.
The dangerous narcissism.
The astounding incompetence.
The Obama Buffoon wants to put as much of the private economy under government control as possible to create his nanny state utopia where he is the boy king.
Let’s continue to stand strong against Obama in every way and get Congress out of the hands of the insane Pelosi and Reid in 2010.
Obama is a smug, smirking con man. Nothing more.
Posted by: Jackson | October 7, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
From today’s Gallup Poll:
“Americans’ approval of the job Congress is doing is at 21% this month, down significantly from last month’s 31% and from the recent high of 39% in March.”
If Congress shoves the God-awful Obamacare down our throats, they will be looking for jobs in 2010.
Hey Obama — get off of our backs and out of lives.
Posted by: Kyle Roget | October 7, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
ABC’s numbers are always better than any one elses. Obama, there is no half-way with soldiers lives. That is why I told my son to get out of the Army after ten years. The morons in the White House are playing politics with the lives our our service people. Mr. President, please put your children on the road in the battlefield while you political team decides what to do.
Posted by: James L. | October 7, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
While I can appreciate that making decisions about the war are difficult, seeking a middle ground is not leadership. Lincoln didn’t look for a middle ground. FDR didnt’ look for a middle ground. My daughter is about to be sent to Afghanistan and I want a Commander in Chief who leads so she can be safer and so her mission has meaning. Please Mr President…DECIDE!
Posted by: Don | October 7, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
The Democrats still believe they can add 47 million uninsured to health care and cut the cost,what a bunch of crap.If the savings come from Medicare why have they not tried to save the money already.Its all smoke and mirrors,no substance.
Posted by: Johnny L | October 7, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
What did you people expect when you voted for someone with NO EXPERIENCE????
Posted by: sammy | October 7, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
the principle that his worked in the past will work in the future. the principle that consistently failed in the past will in the future. it is that simple. We have met the objectives in the past only when we had a start and and end point of the game plan ahead of the execution. We did not meet objectivs in the past, and failed miserably, when did not have the end calendar date or estimate defined before the execution. Also, taliban is not our enemy. It is the al qaeda. Taliban did not attack america. They have not been involved in terrorist activities at least outside afghanistan. They have beeen kicked out. They are simply trying to get their lost power back. The want to resotre Islamic system in their country, and that should not bother us, looking at the corruption within afghanistan government. American should neogitate with taliban, and let them particpate in the elections, and win senate seats, minorith or majority. The current is government in afghanistan is so weak, it has not yet learned to stand on its feet. It will always need america to hold their hands. It is in american’s best interest to get out of afghanistan after taking care of the prerequiesites. Give money to Pakistan to kick out the terrorists with strict audit only, otherwise it will fill the pockets, and kick backs will become their daily lingo, once again.
Posted by: Steve | October 7, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Actually, the way to win in Afghanistan is to cut a deal with the Taliban that we would leave when they turned over all al Quaeda leaders, turn against the al Quaeda followers and agreed not to give sanction to groups that threaten and attack the West. They would have to provide evidence and a reliable method for verifying this in the country. And, the more difficult thing: there would have to be some measures of agreement that they would not apply their draconian measures, exhibited against the Afghan people.
Posted by: 63tango | October 7, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Congress is about to GIVE Pakistan 5 BILLION to waste, steal and plunder and Obama is worried about spending more money for our troops. what an unqualified leader you can doers picked.
Posted by: Jim Rod | October 7, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Soft Middle – AKA – “I can’t make a decision! Please, just let me go somewhere and aplologize. Where’s my teleprompter?”
Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 7, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
america has to become aggressive before the world dismisses the dollar in their transactions. ameica must bring back the good paying jobs, because that is the only way to sustain any kind of recovery. every plan like cash for cluneker or even health reform will have transitory affect on the economy, if the jobs are not created bottom up. america must keep the CEO’s & the top executive happy, and give corporatoins enough justification and incentives to make this in america, and create jobs. So that future economic recoveries shoul have sustained by strong buyers within the country & Economic recovery will last. health reform will also become incentive & reason to keep the jobs home. Those countries where the jobs have moved will not hesitate to cutoff the use of dollar if they see it falling & not ragaining strenght. It is important to bring the jobs back and make dollar strong. American survival depends on american jobs. clinton was succesful only because created good paying jobs. and outsourcing was minimal during his time and times earlier than his. Bush openly announced his policy of outsourcing jobs to India in his first state of the union. He thuse created more jobs ever created in any other times, but not in america. He did everything stupid. He fought the most expensive war ever fought in the history, but with the wroing coutnry, Iraq. We should not repeat the mistakes of the past. We must reverse what has not worked. We know survival of small businesses depends on large corporations. Small businesses cannot compete and create enough jobs if the large corporations outsource. Therefore the large corporations must be given incentives ot create good jobs in the local market & relocate the work back into the country, in order to drive the ecomic recovery up from the bottom.
Posted by: Steve | October 7, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I’ve been thinking a lot about Iran’s nuclear bomb ambitions.
Wouldn’t an Iranian nuclear bomb be a bigger threat to Russia than the US, because they’re closer, a bigger threat to other countries in the Middle East, not to mention a bigger threat to the Iranians themselves?
The United States has had nuclear capabilities for sixty years. It has cost us billions to develop and maintain these weapons, not to mention the headache over storing nuclear waste, and the risks poised to our population in transport and manufacturing. (Just recently some officials lost their jobs after accidently OK’ing a flight over the US of a plane carrying a bomb.) If the US, with our expertise and experience can make that mistake, how will noobie nuclear technicians fare?
Plus, having a nuclear bomb did not protect the US against the 9/11 attack, and we have not been able to use them in any of our wars since WWII.
I just think its time other countries in the Middle East protected themselves from the poison brewing in their part of the world. Russia has experience in suffering from nuclear accidents (why doesn’t Cherynobel come up in this discussion?) A nuclear accident in that part of the world, in my opinion, is just as big a risk, or greater, to thepeople in the vicinity as a missle would be to the U.S.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 7, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am
I certainly do not expect any support from the GOP and it’s backers. It would not matter if the President gave them 100% of what they want, they would oppose it.
Posted by: Thinking | October 7, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am
America has to become aggressive before the world decides to stop using the dollar in their transactions.
Ameica must bring back the good paying jobs, because that is the only way to sustain any kind of economic recovery.
Every plan like cash for cluneker or even health reform will have transitory affect on the economy, if the jobs are not created bottom up.
America must keep the CEO’s & the top executive happy, and give corporatoins enough justification and incentives so that they make stuff within america, and create good paying jobs. America should also use billions of dollars, it has borrowed from the tax payers, to motivate corporations to invest within the country.
Happy corporations will create happy jobs and all recovery initiatives will have a lasting impact to sustain the eocomy, reduce the deficit.
Health reform will also act like an incentive & reason for corporations to keep the jobs home.
Those countries where the jobs have moved will not hesitate to cutoff the use of dollar if they see it falling & not ragaining strenght. It is just a matter of time. It will happen, the only question is how sooner.
It is important to bring the jobs back and make dollar strong. American survival depends on american jobs.
Clinton was succesful only because his policies created good paying jobs. And outsourcing was minimal during his time and times earlier than his.
Bush openly announced his policy of outsourcing jobs to India in his first state of the union. His policies made it possible to create more jobs ever created in any other times, but not in america.
He did everything stupid. He fought the most expensive war ever fought in the history, but with the wroing coutnry, Iraq.
We should not repeat the mistakes of the past. We must reverse what has not worked.
We know survival of small businesses depends on large corporations. Small businesses cannot survive, compete and create enough jobs if the large corporations outsource & not use them.
Therefore the large corporations should be given incentives to produce locally, create good jobs in the local market & relocate the work back into the country, and create strong buyers, who are able to sustain all kind of supply side initiatives.
Posted by: Steve | October 7, 2009, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Amy in Maine —– 2 completely different subjects. I know you understand the theory behind detent right? Well, Iran and NK are using a nuclear threat to blackmail the rest of the world into giving them incentives for not pursuing a bomb. The problem is they continue to pursue a bomb while receiving those incentives. A nuclear “accident” will harm the area in the vicinity of the nuclear plant. Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island, etc. The other problem is Iran and NK are not allowing unfettered access to their sites so the international community can’t guarantee it is for peaceful purposes, nor can they guarantee anyones’ safety.
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am
“”"”"”I certainly do not expect any support from the GOP and it’s backers. It would not matter if the President gave them 100% of what they want, they would oppose it.”"”"”
Posted by: Thinking
This is a “need” not a want. As an Independent, I believe the President should give his support for the General he hired to do the job. The President called McChrystal “new eyes on the ground” and now is questioning him about it? CiC should have made his decision. Anything less than 100% will and should be criticized by any party.
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am
we should learn to respect those who stand by their principle, no matter what the cost may be. taliban who ruled afghanistan knew american strength,knew the consequences, but stood by their principle. They did not know about the plans of al qaeda to destroy twin towers. they gave refuge to al aqaeda and accepted them as their guests, and stood up for the guest, and their honor. they considered themeslevs a soverig contry, and wanted to try the suspects themslevs, which american did not accept. I think we should not side with known corrpt leaders, who do not have principles. We should make strong & the principled our allies. we should make taliban our future allies. taliban were american allies until the end of cold war. reagan equated them the pioneers in the american history. I think a principled enemy in the long run is less dangersous than a greedy friend without moral principles. When we ally ourseleves with self centered powers for short term gains we disregard the principles, the lessons of history,and eventually find ourselves deeper into the hole.
Posted by: Steve | October 7, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am
lfrichar
Well, pigs must be flying somewhere, because this subject is one on which you and I kind of agree. We are being manipulated by the Iranians and NK over nuclear programs. Personally, I think it should be the countries in the middle east who should take responsibility for confronting Iran over this. They, and the Iranian people themselves, have the most to lose if Iran keeps up its program. I wish American leaders spoke Arabic, so they could speak directly to the people in the Middle East, inform them of the risk, and tell them its their resposibilty to deal with this threat.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 7, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
In August the President said “If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.”
Today he faces the fact that 1 in 3 Americans support increasing troop levels, or 2/3 oppose increasing troop levels, and a Congress threating to prevent any increase in troop levels.
Posted by: Thinking | October 7, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Amy in Maine — Pigs flying???? Funny. I think you and I want the best for the country, we just have differing ideas on who and how. Obama does need to make a decision and soon. It appears he is wavering politically. I hope he sends more troops and takes a stronger stance on Pakistan (where Bin Hidin’ is actually at).
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
When it comes to the lives of our troops you either ___ or get off the pot. These discussions are clearly a result of negligence on the part of our government. Force protection is through an effective offense. It’s not by making them sitting ducks and padding them up against assaults. This has become a defensive war and any defensive war is a slow bleed and does little to bring a quick effective closure. What ever happened to Powell’s doctrine of overwhelming force?
Posted by: TX_MBell | October 7, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Obama:
Weak.
Confused.
Frightened.
Someone get him a teleprompter. Quick.
Posted by: Beth | October 7, 2009, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Steve — WELL SAID. That is a very good microcosm of what we are and have experienced in this country. Too many people fail to understand the principle of not biting the hand that feeds you. Which is exactly what this administration is doing.. We are cutting off all the avenues of corporate America to invest and make money. Health reform, Cap and trade, Executive compensation restrictions, increases in corporate and capital gains taxes, and the expiration of prior tax cuts all have a detrimental affect on the strength of the economy. Printing money to cover increasing shortfalls just guarentees that inflation will rise and those of us who still have a job will be able to buy less with what we earn.
While I do not necessarily agree that Bush started the wrong war (I do not buy the liberal stance that he lied – I think that based on 20 pieces of intelligence from 17 countries the decision was initially correct even if it turned out to be an error.- What if we had only invaded Afganistan and Iraq DID have chem or bio bombs..After we lost thousands of troops becasue of the error, Bush would have been run out on a rail for not paying attention to all the intelligence that warned us about them). Better safe than sorry in this case. I do agree with you on Bush’s poor policies on outsourcing (and his policies on amnesty for illegals). But having big business outsource unskilled labor is still not worse than letting big business wither and die completley which is what seems to be happening now..
Posted by: arkie vet | October 7, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Interference by politicians have given us a divided Korea and a loss in Viet Nam. Once the political decision has been made to go to war and the Generals have named, the politicians need to get behind the effort to win and stop the second guessing.
Posted by: Ron | October 7, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
From my point of view Mc Crystal may be the best at what he does but one does not box a president in by holding press conferences and stating your case openly unless you are met with resistence. The president never disagreed with him but he wanted time to make the right decision but Mc Crystal decided to go public. Even Gates said it was not something he would recommend. To me, this is disrespectful to the Commander in Chief, the president.
Posted by: talmag | October 7, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
He who stands in the middle of the road gets hit by cars coming from both directions…..
Posted by: Jim | October 7, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
talmag —– You do understand he is also the NATO commander and they have every right to know what is needed? He might have drummed up more NATO support from his news conference. Also, Obama and his administration is doing the same thing they are chastizing the General for. If Obama doesn’t want McChrystal to hold news conferences, maybe he should try talking to him directly more often.
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Obama vacillated – troops died.
Posted by: Jim | October 7, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am
McChrystal’s numbers of course rely on the Allies staying the coarse with us. Will they? What happens if they don’t?
Kissinger is all for it, but he relies on neighboring countries like Pakistan and China helping out, but makes no mention of Iran.
52% of Americans support the war effort, but only 1/3 support adding more troops. Congress threatens to pull the plug. No one agrees on what the goal should be.
Then I read brilliant comentary like this on this blog “Obama vacillated – troops died.”
The President allready comitted 21,000 more troops earlier this year.
We have to face the facts that troops have been dying for 8 years, more troops are going to die no matter what we do, and how many more troops are going to die for how many more years?
History shows there are no sure bets.
Posted by: Thinking | October 7, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
The con the Democrat’s have going for them is that nothing on health care in their plan is going to go in to affect untill 2011.So we will not feel the effects till its to late to complain about the changes they made.I am concerned my private insurance that covers what my medicare does not cover will rise sky high and I will be forced into Government run health care with less benefits then I now have.
I don’t trust Obama and the Democrat’s. Every time they say they are doing something good for citizens, it always turns out to hurt citizens more then it helps them.Democrat’s are like some Unions that preach-You can’t trust the Company you work for that pays you a pay check.
Posted by: John Demeter | October 7, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Let’s face the truth, a community organizer is ill qualified to make such decisions. Obama, as with most presidents, will have to rely upon his advisers.
So the reality is this, has he chosen his advisers well? I won’t even attempt an answer on that one, the record speaks for itself!
Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 7, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Another Bogus poll from
the Obama AP! 40-40, what happened to
the other 20 percent?
What were the ages of the people polled?
What political party do they belong to?
How many people in this poll were
independents?
I find it hard to believe that
20 percent of the people in this
country are ignorant or have no
opinion on the president’s
healthcare proposals!
Understand this Mr President and
members of your party:
If the healthcare bill is passed
with a “public option” in it
you will be swept out of office A.S.A.P!
That poll will start in 2010 and
end in 2012!
Posted by: reaganfan | October 7, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Thinking —- Good post. 1/3 support more troops is true, but it shouldn’t matter. If the President is making a political decision, he is in the wrong. When your General on the ground says we will lose without more troops, you send troops. The CiC can’t pander to anyone here, he needs to do his job. The General doesn’t “want” more troops, he said he “needs’. If Obama is trying to make the popular decision, he is wrong again. All JCS and the General on the ground agree we need more troops, you should send them…period.
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
The CiC can’t pander to anyone here, he needs to do his job.
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He is. He is in command and will make the decision. It is the Military duty to follow the civilian orders. The President and Congress are representatives of the people, anything they do will have to be sold to the public.
Posted by: Thinking | October 7, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
The middle ground may seem like a safe bet, but a good dose of reality needs to be added to the mix. Yes, the Afghans need to take more control of their country agaisnt the terrorists. Yes, the US needs to make a decisive effort in this war. Yes, the US needs other nations to achieve some form of win. The world is tiring of this war and the middle ground just won’t cut it. We need a brilliant and bold plan assembled and implemented. It doesn’t matter if no one likes it.
We need a REAL decider.
Posted by: Wayne | October 7, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I vote PRESENT!!! (Does everyone still like me? Am I still popular? Quick, someone give me a baby to kiss)!
Posted by: Kay | October 7, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Yes, the US needs other nations to achieve some form of win. The world is tiring of this war and the middle ground just won’t cut it. We need a brilliant and bold plan assembled and implemented. It doesn’t matter if no one likes it.
We need a REAL decider.
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Hmm…. What I have read of the McChrystal plan is that he wants and additional 40,000 troops because the Afghan Government is so weak, and corrupt that it can not or will not protect it’s people. We have not seen what it is exactly that he plans to do with those troops, or how he plans to protect the population.
So now are we in the business of Nation building again? Are we committing to some action that will take us 20 years to get out of? After all the Afghans have no history of a Central Government, and seem unable or unwilling to form one. Thier history is one of regional war lords.
we selected thier leader to what results? Suddenly 40,000 additional troops is going to solve all of these problems in as short as 12 months, 2 years, 3 years, how many years?
A real decider? What is that? Someone who agrees with you? You can’t even tell me what a win is.
Posted by: Thinking | October 7, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Thinking —- He has had 8 months to change his tactics for this war. He sent in his General who gave him the assessment he asked for. Now he is taking over a month to decide? He has all his military advisors telling him we need more troops and he is actually debating Biden’s plan? IMO he is pandering to his party and afraid to make the unpopular decision. This is not a decision to go to war, it is a decision to win it. I have over 20+ years of military experience and can tell you we need to make the decision to win it now. Wars do not wait for Presidential decisions, our soldiers continue to die at the highest rate since the war began while we wait for a decision. Over 1 month is completely unacceptable militarily.
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Over 1 month is completely unacceptable militarily.
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Where were you 7 years ago? 6 years ago? 5 years ago? 4 years ago? 3 years ago?
Posted by: Thinking | October 7, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Thinking — I was in Iraq 1 & 2, where were you? I spent 4 years of my life in the desert. I retired before I got the chance to go to Afghanistan, but I am still on reserve call up and will be glad to go if I get the call. I now help build the F-22 and F-35 for our service members to enjoy. Where were you?
Posted by: lfrichar | October 7, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
How does senators Mark Pryor and Blance Lincoln from Arkansas stand on this government control health care.I live in their didtrict and they seem uncommitted.Could you plese let me know. Thanks in advance, Darrel Rowland
Posted by: darrel rowland | October 7, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Thinking — I was in Iraq 1 & 2, where were you? I spent 4 years of my life in the desert. I retired before I got the chance to go to Afghanistan, but I am still on reserve call up and will be glad to go if I get the call. I now help build the F-22 and F-35 for our service members to enjoy. Where were you?
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62 and at home, but did my time in Vietnam. But my referance was to the time frame of decision making. It has taken us this long to decide to do anything a few more days will not matter.
Posted by: Thinking | October 8, 2009, 1:57 am 1:57 am