Trails Mixed: Lessons for governance, from campaigner-in-chief
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports:
Yes, they did. But can they do it again?
President Obama jumps into Campaign '09 on Tuesday — raising money for a New York congressional candidate and for the DNC. Four more events are spread over the next week, in the year's two marquee contests, and to help two friends up in 2010.
The burst of campaigning, of course, is primarily about the three approaching races that the president is inserting himself into — New York's 23d congressional district, and gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey. (And a fourth where he really isn't: The president is in New York City Tuesday, but the Democratic candidate for mayor of New York City only gets a shout-out from the podium at a DNC fundraiser?)
But the implications are broader — for hints of winning strategies of 2010; for the perils of incumbency and the lasting draw of change; for the role of independents (and independent candidates) in the age of Tea Parties; for how a still-popular president spends (and doesn't spend) political capital; for what Obama's pull means, on the Hill and beyond.
The president's audience extends right into the halls of Congress, where fears of an electoral backlash color the health care debate, and skepticism about Obama's electoral staying power impacts everything else he's asking of his base.
The president hits the trail with some new evidence in hand: The new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows the president and his top domestic priority bouncing back, after the angst of August angst produced some low points:
"President Obama's holding the line at an even division in public views on health care reform, boosted by support for two key elements — a personal mandate and a public option — and aided by continued weakness in the opposition party," ABC Polling Director Gary Langer writes in his analysis.
It's 57 percent support for a government-sponsored insurance option; support jumps to 76 percent if it's limited to those who can't get affordable private insurance. The president himself is at a 57 percent approval rating — the first time since April it hasn't declined, as Langer points out.
(Everyone sure that level of support for a public option is welcome at the White House? When the political math is more important than the polling math?)
Progress, primarily: "Americans by 51-37 percent in this latest ABC News/Washington Post poll say they'd rather see a plan pass Congress without Republican support, if it includes a public option based on affordability, than with Republican backing but no such element," Langer writes.
Key talking point: The public option is outpolling bipartisanship, Greg Sargent blogs at The Plum Line. "A majority wants a Dem-only bill rather than a bipartisan one if the Dem-only one includes a public insurance option and the bipartisan one doesn't. A majority of Independents wants the same."
(And for all those predicting GOP waves in 2010 — Democrats hold a 51-39 edge in the generic congressional ballot in the poll.)
Key constituencies: "Independents and senior citizens, two groups crucial to the debate, have warmed to the idea of a public option, and are particularly supportive if it would be administered by the states and limited to those without access to affordable private coverage," Dan Balz and Jon Cohen write for the Post. "Overall, 45 percent of Americans favor the broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress, while 48 percent are opposed, about the same division that existed in August, at the height of angry town hall meetings over health-care reform."
Will it shift the debate? "The new numbers will certainly encourage Democrats pushing hard to have the president side with them over Olympia Snowe and centrist Dems opposed to a full-blown public health insurance plan," ABC's George Stephanopoulos writes. "It's likely, however, that those numbers aren't strong enough — at least not yet — to shake enough swing Senators off their opposition to the public option. Especially when the public is still divided — 45-48 — on the overall merits of reform."
Abroad, the president gets some breathing room: "Under heavy international pressure, President Hamid Karzai appears set to concede as early as Tuesday that he fell short of a first-round victory in the nation's disputed presidential election, but the path to ensuring that the country has credible leadership remains uncertain," The New York Times' Sabrina Tavernise and Helene Cooper report. "Some Obama administration officials, who say a pending decision on whether to increase troop levels in the country depends partly on resolving the election outcome, now argue that they should push Mr. Karzai and Mr. Abdullah to form a coalition government to avoid a runoff altogether."
The view from the White House: "At times, the formation of a unity government has seemed to have more traction," ABC's Jake Tapper reports. "The Karzai campaign has publicly rejected the idea of a second round of voting, and US officials have generally expressed their view that a unity government might be logistically easier, given the three weeks left until the harsh Afghan winter makes voting all but impossible. In addition, there's nothing to say that the fraud that marred the August election wouldn't return."
"The US is desperate for a reliable ally in Kabul. It says that if doesn't have that, more US troops are going to be killed, or the country could once again become a terrorist safe-haven," ABC's Nick Schifrin reported on "Good Morning America" Tuesday, from Afghanistan.
"Failure to accept the election panel's finding, diplomats and administration officials warned Karzai, could risk triggering a constitutional crisis and raise the specter of street violence and ethnic strife," the Los Angeles Times' Laura King reports.
Angst in the ranks? "After nearly a month of deliberations by Mr. Obama over whether to send more American troops to Afghanistan, frustrations and anxiety are on the rise within the military," The New York Times' Elisabeth Bumiller writes. "A number of active duty and retired senior officers say there is concern that the president is moving too slowly, is revisiting a war strategy he announced in March and is unduly influenced by political advisers in the Situation Room."
The AP's Lara Jakes, trave ling with a Defense secretary who's making his voice heard: "The Obama administration needs to decide on a war strategy for Afghanistan without waiting for a government there to be widely accepted as legitimate, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Monday. Gates' comments put him at odds with top White House and NATO officials who are balking at ordering more troops and other resources to Afghanistan until the disputed election crisis there is resolved."
Back to politics:
"The concentrated push begins Tuesday and is shaping up, at least to some degree, as a gauge on Obama's political influence," the AP's Ben Feller writes. "At separate events in New York City, the president will raise money both for Bill Owens, a Democrat trying to win a special election in an upstate New York congressional district, and for the Democratic National Committee. The national party fundraising event alone is expected to generate between $2 million to $3 million."
Bill Thompson, running for mayor of New York as a Democrat, gets — what, exactly? "Thompson, facing an uphill fight against Mayor Bloomberg in the Nov. 3 citywide election, is expected to get a shoutout from the commander in chief at a Manhattan fund-raiser, a source told the Daily News," per the New York Daily News' Ken Bazinet and Michael Saul. "An aide to Thompson declined to say if the candidate would be photographed with Obama, a potential boost given that the President is widely popular in bright-blue New York City — especially with black voters."
Look who's not coming to a fancy dinner, at the Mandarin Oriental: "From the financial giants like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup that received federal bailout money — and whose bankers raised millions of dollars for Mr. Obama's election — only a half-dozen or fewer are expected to attend (estimated total contribution: $91,200)," David D. Kirkpatrick reports in The New York Times.
"Part of the reason, several Democratic fund-raisers and executives said, is a fear of getting caught in the public rage over the perception that Wall Street titans profiting from their government bailout may use their winnings to give back to Washington in return. And the timing of the event, as the industry lobbies against proposals for tighter regulations to address the underlying causes of last year's meltdown on Wall Street, has only added to the worry over public appearances."
On Wednesday, Obama will be at a rally Gov. Jon Corzine, D-N.J., and Friday he raises cash for two allies: Gov. Deval Patrick, D-Mass., Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn. Next Tuesday, it's Virginia, with Democratic gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds.
The AP's Liz Sidoti and Bob Lewis check in on Virginia — maybe the toughest approaching race for the president's party: "Loyal Democrats are more subdued than last fall. Republicans are energized. Independents are proving to be … independent. Voters of all kinds seem disenchanted," they write. "Republicans are far more fired up than Democrats, and independents who leaned left just a year ago are tilting away. Frustration over the status quo, fear of the country's direction, and disillusionment about political leaders span the ideological spectrum."
They add: "Given Virginia's newfound swing-voting behavior, the McDonnell-Deeds outcome will be a key measure of how America feels and, perhaps more importantly, how independent voters are acting ahead of the 2010 elections."
Former President Bill Clinton and former DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe campaign for Deeds on Tuesday in Northern Virginia.
In New Jersey — what else do you need to know about how Corzine wants to end the race? "Yes we can. Yes we can," the governor said Monday.
Too early to give up on the public option in the Senate? "Prospects are growing that one of these variations — or a blend of them — will make it into the final Senate bill," The Wall Street Journal's Greg Hitt and Janet Adamy report. "The fact that the public option is gaining new attention says a lot about the state of debate on Capitol Hill, where Democrats feel a breeze at their backs, despite the slow pace of action since Labor Day and continued attacks from the political right."
"Senate Democrats are fashioning a strategy to control the battle for public opinion over a health care reform package that is unlikely to hit the floor until the first week of November," Roll Call's David M. Drucker reports.
Vote-counting, from the left: "If he wants the bill to pass it's going to have to include a public option. There's no other path," Darcy Burner, executive director of the American Progressive Caucus Policy Foundation, said on ABCNews.com's "Top Line" Monday.
Beating a retreat? Karen Ignagni, president of America's Health Insurance Plans, writes a Washington Post op-ed titled, "About that health-reform cost study": "Let me be clear and direct: Health plans continue to strongly support reform. In fact, last year we proposed new insurance market rules and consumer protections to achieve universal coverage, remove restrictions on preexisting conditions and end the practice of basing premiums on health status or gender. We firmly believe that all the cost concerns the report raised can be resolved."
Whether or not AHIP's on board… "The White House and Democratic leaders are offering doctors a deal: They'll freeze cuts in Medicare payments to doctors in exchange for doctors' support of healthcare reform," The Hill's Alexander Bolton reports. "At a meeting on Capitol Hill last week with nearly a dozen doctors groups, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said the Senate would take up separate legislation to halt scheduled Medicare cuts in doctor payments over the next 10 years. In return, Reid made it clear that he expected their support for the broader healthcare bill."
"Now the bill's supporters are making a play to lock in the American Medical Association, the organization that says it represents 250,000 doctors and medical students in every state and congressional district. The principal enticement, a $247 billion measure making its way to the Senate floor, aims to wipe out a scheduled 21 percent rate cut for doctors treating Medicare patients and replace it with a permanent, predictable system for future fee increases," the AP's David Espo reports.
Just a whiff of tension among leadership: "As the Democratic players huddle behind closed doors to hammer out a deal, tempers are a little shorter, tongues are a little looser, nerves are a little more fra yed and egos are a little more bruised than during the usual course of Senate business," Politico's Glenn Thrush reports.
Start reading: The Finance Committee bill is a 1,000-page bill, one-and-a-half times over.
Also on the president's schedule Tuesday — from the DNC: At 7:45 pm ET, "President Obama will join Organizing for America's (OFA) ‘Time to Deliver' health insurance reform events via live webcast – which can be viewed live at My.BarackObama.com/Oct20 – and make a call to action for American's gathered in neighborhoods across the country to complete 100,000 calls and commitments to call Congress in a single day. . . . The President will deliver his remarks for the webcast at an OFA grassroots fund raising event at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City."
And do you think they like this phrase? A new DNC Web video challenges Republicans to "grab a mop" — building off a line the president delivered at a fundraiser last week in San Francisco.
Lots of action — with the White House at the center of it: "Proponents of revamping the nation's health care system will hold phone-bank events in 50 states today. Here in the nation's capital, a coalition of more than 100 liberal interest groups will convene its weekly meeting, with health care atop the agenda," USA Today's Richard Wolf reports. "And when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gather committee leaders to write the legislation, Obama's chief of staff and other aides are at the table."
Also on the presidential schedule Tuesday, per ABC's Sunlen Miller: "The President will visit the New York FBI-NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) to thank the officers and agents involved in the arrest of alleged terrorist bomb plotter, Najibullah Aziz. . . . The presidential visit to the JTTF's offices in Manhattan's Chelsea district marks the second time that the president has publicly stated his satisfaction with the way law enforcement has handled the case."
The latest Public Strategies Inc./Politico poll: "As the nation struggles to climb out of a recession, 45 percent rated the economy as the most important issue in deciding their vote if the congressional election were held today, followed by 21 percent who said government spending, 20 percent who chose health care reform and 9 percent who said the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just 4 percent ranked climate change as the top issue," Politico's Andy Barr reports. "Economic worries also led a majority of Americans to place jump-starting the economy ahead of concerns about the environment."
We'll believe this one… "This has been the year of coping with the economic mess. Next year will be the year of coping with the deficit mess that follows the economic mess," Gerald Seib writes in his "Capital Journal" column. "The Obama White House has come to that conclusion, and is already starting to plan how to go about tackling the job. The effort is likely to start early next year and will include plenty of direct presidential engagement, with equal parts psychology and substance."
Launching Tuesday (attention, Liz Cheney): the National Campaign to Close Guantanamo. Per the press release: "To combat the right-wing fear machine, the National Campaign to Close Guantanamo will run political ads and lead a grassroots campaign in key Congressional districts." See the first ad, running for a week on national cable starting Wednesday, HERE.
The New York Times editorial board takes Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's side in the Humana controversy, calling it a "sorry attempt to stifle debate." "The Obama administration has dropped its ham-handed attempt to stop health insurers from warning buyers of private Medicare Advantage plans that their extra benefits might be cut under pending health care legislation."
Vice-presidential diplomacy: "Vice President Joe Biden departs today on a three-day trip to central Europe that appears to be aimed at smoothing over relations with U.S. allies there worried by the Obama administration's decision to abandon plans for a missile defense system based in Poland and the Czech Republic," ABC's Karen Travers reports.
Romney watch: "Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) condemned the Obama Administration's approach toward Iran, a republic he described as ‘unalloyed evil' and controlled by ‘ruthless and fanatical' leaders in a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee today in San Diego," Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza writes.
"Stop thinking that a charm offensive will talk the Iranians out of their pursuit of nuclear weapons," said Romney. "It will not."
Not over yet for Gov. Mark Sanford, R-S.C.: "Lawmakers will return to Columbia next week to correct an oversight that cut off extended unemployment benefits to almost 7,000 S.C. residents last week. And while legislative leadership said impeaching Gov. Mark Sanford will not be on the agenda, one lawmaker said he will raise the issue," The State's John O'Connor reports.
New bookmark: "The Inside Story with Ana Marie Cox," part of the redesigned Air America Website.
The Kicker:
"Well, it's a depression — it's a depression for millions of Americans, through no fault of their own." — Vice President Joe Biden, Monday morning.
"Without Arlen having convinced two of his Republican colleagues to change their vote and vote for the stimulus package, we would probably be in a depression." — Vice President Joe Biden, Monday night.
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It is just like the tortured media to make anything less than a Dem sweep in next year’s elections a failure on the part of the president and a repudiation of his policies. Reading from the GOP talking points again, eh?
Posted by: Matt | October 20, 2009, 8:48 am 8:48 am
again this is the news organization making news. the poll that the president is riding on makes news. polls have become so politically biased in the way they are presented and in the way they are reported. i have seen polls that are multiple choice in which all choices provided give variations of the result that the pollster wants to be the outcome. ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN are all so biased for anything liberal that they cant be trusted to report news. and they keep manufacturing news according to their agandas. no wonder FOX has such a large audience. some people want to know what is really going on.
Posted by: jerri | October 20, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Barry hasn’t left campaign mode since becoming president. Honestly, when does he actually work and govern? He campaigns and then he parties. He is constantly flying around appearing on espn, late nite televisoion, prime time television, or treating himself to tax-funded holidays such as date nite paris, date nite new york, superbowl at the whitehouse, amsterdam, latino-nite at the white house, martha’s vineyard, ect. And of course, you can’t forget his “America sucks” tour that he kicked off at the beginning of his tour in europe and south America.
Posted by: Dave | October 20, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
I have searched the ABC News website for anything about the war that President Obama has declared on Fox News and I cant find anything. Obamas plan is working. In effect, the other news organizations had better watch their steps and report only that which is favorable to the administration or they too will be out of the loop!
Posted by: Jeffrydallas | October 20, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
“Honestly, when does he actually work and govern?”
Dave | Oct 20, 2009 9:23:47 AM
I find it hilarious how the hard Right has become double think personified: Obama has done absolutely nothing AND he has single-handedly set American on the path to Socialism.
The longer they let these extremists be the mouth piece of the Republican party the harder it is going to be for them to win back the middle who may trend conservative but just can’t support clear simpletons.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Barry hasn’t left campaign mode since becoming president. Honestly, when does he actually work and govern?
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Posted by: Thinking | October 20, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
MSM also find ways that raise questions of President Obama’s legitimacy in subtle ways.
“Is he tough enough”
“This or That is a major test for Obama”
“Why is President Obama doing too much”
“Why is President Obama doing too little”
“What is the cost of an Air Force One trip”
“What did President Obama and the First Lady order in the restuarant”
Get used to it folks – President Obama was ELECTED President with a significant majority. No amount of giving a bigger platform to the minority will change that fact. It’s going to be a LOOOOONG 8 years. So pace yourselves.
BTW…anyone see the report on 2 right wingnuts almost fighting about who supports Wasilla Queen more?
Posted by: New Wave | October 20, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
I will never believe anything that comes out of obama’s mouth or his barrel of monkies (administration)! They lie lie lie about everything!!! Why has he declared war on Fox, I’ll tell you why,White House Communications Director Anita Dunn is seen in a video from January talking about how the Obama campaign exercised absolute “control” over media coverage! This is why! He’s spoiled and whines when anyone doesn’t agree with him. Worst president in history period!!! Of course abc won’t say a word about this, they fear his political wrath, ha ha! And if the conservative party is dying out like abc said over the weekend then why is Fox nextwork so far ahead of all other news networks? There’s allot more Republicans out there. Funny how all these polls are fixed so obama can lie to the people. The false prophet rides again! Ha ha! What a loooooser!!!
Posted by: Fabiansbass | October 20, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am
A “significant majority”????? Ummm, have you ever looked at the results of the polls? I’m not disputing that he won the election. But I hardly consider 52% as being a “significant majority”, except that it was significant enough to win. And he has lost a good portion of the support he had from independents. I somewhat doubt that it is going to be a long 8 years. A long 4 years, for sure. But…unless he does something besides attacking or besmirching others, his will be another one term presidency. He can’t survive on, “I inherited a mess”, “Palin is goofy”, and “Fox News is not a real news organization”. DO SOMETHING, Mr. President!!! Do something besides partying like its 1990.
Posted by: ncpilot09 | October 20, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Thinking(very misleading name).
Barry was elected in nov and took office in januaury, that would make the campaign and presidency seperated by 2 months. He is still in 100% campaign mode and the mainstream media is still acting as they could faint every time he speaks. It is sad to see all of the lemmings fall into place.
Posted by: Dave | October 20, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
We should be going single payer and get rid of the worthless republican created HMOs. It’s a phony baloney market that eats up 1 of every 3 dollars spent on health care.
Posted by: rightbehind | October 20, 2009, 10:03 am 10:03 am
“”"”It’s going to be a LOOOOONG 8 years. So pace yourselves.”"”"
Posted by: New Wave |
Or a short 3 years (preferred).
Posted by: lfrichar | October 20, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
I wouldn’t believe an ABC poll if you paid me.
I never watch ABC news, I thought I would give it a chance last night – so what greets me? George and Charlie praising Obama and his 57% approval rating – outlier to every other poll in the country – of course, except a CBS poll. This has gone beyond ridiculous – this make ABC looks like what Axelrod and Rahm say about Fox – not a legitimate news organization.
I am sick of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC playing us for fools.
Posted by: jlpillinois | October 20, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
ncpilot09: You may remember that the ELECTORAL COLLEGE elects the president, and he won by a large majority in that forum. Now, if you want the popular vote to elect the president… GWB was NOT elected in 2000!
Posted by: treblig56 | October 20, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Rightbehind
When will you liberal lemmings ever realize that we have the BEST healthcare system in the world and that cost increases are LARGELY due to gov’t intervention? The gov’t does not allow us to buy insurance across state lines, thus there is a lack of competition. Guess what happens when there is a lack of competition- costs go up.
Also, anti-American liberals will never acknowledge that 90% of all lifesaving medicines have been developed here in the US. Or that the best medical schools are here in the US, and not to mention the best cancer research/treatment facilities as well.
Liberals want to support 1/2 of mexico for free on our health system (12000 illegal babies born in dallas alone), and award $50 miilion dollars to every person who sues a doctor (john edwards) and then scream that everything costs too much.
Posted by: Dave | October 20, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Jeffrydallas
I think its funny FOX can wage a war against the Obama administration, but when his spokespeople simply point out FOX is not a real news station, it was created to advocate for the Republican Party, all of a sudden conservatives feel “attacked.”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 20, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am
NBC poll breaking news: Even if approval poll number is 0%, our poll will read 100% approval. That does not “CHANGE” everything else changes.
Posted by: Freedom | October 20, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I think we should expand the single-payer approach beyond the health care. The same way we all oppose the greedy insurance companies, we should oppose the bankers who get rich while Americans are loosing homes. We, taxpayers, already own some of these big banks through the TARP money. Let get the home mortgage into the single-payer system. Why one should pay 4.5-5.0% mortgage when your CD is barely earning 1%?
Posted by: H1N1hysteria | October 20, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
[More lies] Did you read what senator Ron Wyden a dem. has to say about this health care bill he is trying to get an amendment passed called freedom of choice if the health care bill is passed as is 90% of the people can not change from there present plan for seven years,so much for Obamas claim that you can get something better .
Posted by: earl | October 20, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Dave: It is a fact for all presidents that having elections every 2 years keeps everybody busy collecting funds and campaigning… Should elections be held every 4 years and contributions limited in amount and by voters (not PACs, companies, lobby groups) and disclosed at 100%, any president not to mention Congress and Senate may have time to do more work…
Posted by: treblig56 | October 20, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
“When will you liberal lemmings ever realize that we have the BEST healthcare system”
Dave | Oct 20, 2009 10:15:07 AM
Perhaps when it is true, but I’m just stuck on, you know, studies that document reality and all that. You keep right on thinking that the whole thing could be fixed by taking more rights away from states (the right to regulate insurance in their borders). As if California – with a market size bigger than the 20 smallest states *combined*- has any savings due to the size of it’s market!
Look beyond the bumperstickers and try to get a grasp on reality.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Free Gas, home, etc. wow! freedom…great..should see how we can get free food…
Posted by: Freedom | October 20, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am
“”"I think its funny FOX can wage a war against the Obama administration”"”
Posted by: Amy in Maine
Fox declared war? No, I think it is the other way around, but that suits your agenda I guess. I believe Fox has given this administration every opportunity to step up to the mic. The problem is this administration is afraid of answering real questions.
Posted by: lfrichar | October 20, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Does anyone else believe that Covert racism in Presidential reporting is the norm now? Remember no matter how bad President Bush’s quick decision turn out to be the media called him the cowboy. As President Obama takes a pragmatic approach to many of America problems this media decries indecisiveness. Why do the media claims taking the time to look before you shoot as indecisiveness? Covert racism or journalism? We need to decide and call racism out when we see it… Racism is an attitude in the way the media report similar circumstances differently when the only true difference is a President’s skin color.
Posted by: Gwilsing | October 20, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am
“should see how we can get free food…”
Freedom | Oct 20, 2009 10:24:48 AM
Have you ever visited any third world country? Or even know anyone who has? You can and always have been able to get free food (not very good, but keep you alive) in the US. The lack of, you know, STARVING PEOPLE is kinda a key feature of a first world nation.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
jhw539, I somewhat agree with what you said on double speak. I actually think BO is just lazy and indecisive. I think he would sign anything passed by Congress. He’s basically saying that with Healthcare. He would sign a bill without the public option. The problem is he keeps the wrong types of friends and aides. One of his aides said she admires Mao Tse Tung who was repsonsible for tens of millions of deaths in Communist China.
Posted by: BK-1970 | October 20, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
“One of his aides said she admires Mao Tse Tung who was repsonsible for tens of millions of deaths in Communist China.”
BK-1970 | Oct 20, 2009 10:44:45 AM
And I admire men who made money buying and selling other human beings for profit. I find Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and even George Washington’s roles as slave owners and slave traders reprehensible, but still deeply respect their intellectual positions and contributions to our nation.
Obama has voiced admiration for the Reagan administration, that does NOT mean he believes in their cut taxes and run up the debt ‘starve the beast’ philosophy.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Dave: You got most of your facts wrong. The US have some of the best healthcare FACILITIES in the world, but according to any credible source, the US ranks 38th among HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS because of poor accessibility, high costs, and rates of coverage denial. There are great medical schools in the USA, more so than in any country, but there are some as good in the UK, Belgium, France, Finland, Canada, depending on what specialty is taught. And how does one come up with 90% of life saving medecines developed in the USA? Penicillin was discovered in Scotland, insulin in Canada, X-rays, pasteurization in France, smallpox vaccine, in the UK. BTW, first heart transplant, South Africa, and the topic is healthcare, not medical research!
Posted by: treblig56 | October 20, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Communism is not something that should be admired.
Posted by: BK-1970 | October 20, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
“Communism is not something that should be admired.”
BK-1970 | Oct 20, 2009 10:55:41 AM
Communism is the classic social form of the family group and has worked throughout human history. Heck, it is literally biblical (although you could argue the only reason Communism worked for the apostles was because God headed it up).
But all this is beside the point – no Obama adviser has expressed blanket admiration for Communism and you are lying if you are implying that. Dunn’s comments were clearly expanded on and defined when she made them, and Communism was NO part of the point she was making (a pretty dry non-partisan point that had been made exactly the same way in the past by various Republicans).
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
So, I took your advice and googled Anita Dunn’s Mao quote. Not being a FOX watcher myself I didn’t know what it was all about.
Turns out she quoted Mao in the same sentence she quoted Mother Teresa, to make the point that you have to be persistent as well as virtuous in pursuing your ideals. Kind of a “lipstick on a pig” moment.
I also learned it’s somehow not as “radical” if a Republican quotes Mao.
“War is politics with blood; politics is war without blood,” Gingrich said, citing Mao.
This is typical of a FOX attack on the Obama administration: use smears, misinformation and slander to promote a “storyline”. Once it was “he’s doing to much,” then, ” he’s doing too little, now he’s a “radical.” The funny thing is, FOX doesn’t seem to realize its tactics are backfiring. Every crazy storyline they push just makes the Obama administration look rational.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 20, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
To Dave: “liberal lemmings”? “Anti-american liberals”? Is that the level of thought and discussion you bring to the table? I wanted to correct all the inaccuracies of your post, but from this kind of attitude, anyone with a different opinion will not get through to you. 1 FACT: USA HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WORLD RANKING:38
Posted by: treblig56 | October 20, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
“Communism is the classic social form of the family group and has worked throughout human history.”
(Just to be clear, I do not support Communism as a governance system beyond a family grouping. Any group of mankind over the size of a family simply do not and never will share the fundamental bonding and love required to make it work. It doesn’t even work at the tribal level.)
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
LOL…They really had to ‘cherry pick’for this poll.
Posted by: Jack Bingham | October 20, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
The country elected a president. We got a professional campainer instead. Just think what would happen if he would lead the country instaed of praying on it.
Posted by: Jim Rod | October 20, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Amy fox reports the news. They do not sleep with these guys and report what they are told to. You are victim of a lie campain to control you which apparantly has worked. Come up for air a watch other programs. The truth is going to shock the heck out of you when you wake up. I am not trying to slam you. I just would like you to spend one week listening to other news agencies. Even abc has started to make comments that something is not right?? go figure
Posted by: Jim Rod | October 20, 2009, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Definition of “Pollsters”…..we will sample an APPROPRIATE group based on your requirements, get the “sample”, then lock our analysts of those numbers away in a locked room (all one or two of them), they will then develop what those polled had in mind when they participated in the poll … of course, always paying attention to the results the folks PAYING for the polling want to see, and voila! It makes big news on one of the Big…but shrinking…Three.
Do people think anymore???????I stopped reading polls when the Chicago Trib, I believe, announced ‘DEWEY WINS PRESIDENCY.”
Posted by: justj joey | October 20, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
I see other news agaencies have reported an obama aide admited they use the news media to report only what they want the country to hear and munipulate it.
Posted by: Jim Rod | October 20, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Michael Moore does not go anywhere else for his healthcare and charges for his movies. That is all I need to know about the far left. Bash bash bash, then use what you are bashing.
Posted by: stickman | October 20, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
amy b from maine keep living in the box maybe one day you will stand outside the box and look in and see what really goes on in the box
Posted by: natale from mass. | October 20, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Where is the story of the plan to increase the deficit,by 250 billion dollars,from a health care reform bill. The Democrats are trying to hide,it is the Doctor fix of Medicare,Promised to Doctors who treat medicare patients in support of Obamacare….ABC now is your chance to break the story,of deciept going on in the congress.
Posted by: marion | October 20, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
I’m an independent. And I in no way, shape or form support a gov’t public option. Add that to your survey.
Posted by: Independent63 | October 20, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
ABC News, sooner or later you will have to decide whether to pay attention and follow the White House orders, continue to be an arm for the White House and not be like FOX (not news), or reject Obama’s orders and be truly a news worthy organization like FOX. I suspect if you stick with Obama you will eventually go out of business and Obama will bail you out with our tax dollars just like is planning to do with all the liberal newspapers going out of business. Another possibility and a very likely one is that Obama shuts down FOX and talk radio and gets full control of the internet and we will all then march to his cadence!
Posted by: wizcat123 | October 20, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Obama does not lead this country, he just cheerleads, he is a celebrity and he spends 100% of his time braging about himself and raising funds for his re-election.
Posted by: wizcat123 | October 20, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
What a joke. Rasmussen has it 54% opposed to Obamacare 42% in support. ABC’s poll was probly worded like this. If you could get the same healthcare you have now for 50% less would you support the govt. option? What a joke ABC has become.
Posted by: sammy | October 20, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Term limits are the answer two (2) years for everybody including the President and only chnace for re-election two more years.No guranteed pensions and healthcare for politicians, they must live just wiithin their means like everybody else.
Posted by: wizcat123 | October 20, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Does it seem to anyone else that fox viewers come to this ABC site to spew hatred and pretend to be more politically correct…
If you fox viewers hate the mainstream media as much you claim… why are you guys always over here???
Posted by: theafalcon200 | October 20, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Everything that Governemnt takes control over, turns to human waste! Social Security, Medicare, the Post Office, banks, Car Companies, Fannie and Freddie, the Tax System and they want control healthcare. Think about all the layers of paperwork, bureaucrats and lawyers we would have to deal with. By the way 95% of politicians are lawyers and they are corrupt.
Posted by: wizcat123 | October 20, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Can the government manage anything efficiently? Let us not forget waste such as the Pentagon’s infamous $436 hammer and $640 toilet seat. Another nightmare for taxpayers is the Department of Defense’s (“DoD”) Defense Travel System (“DTS”), which has produced miserable results after six years of development and an investment of more than $500 million. Also, recall the metric conversion!
I contend that government managed healthcare would just be yet another open door for waste, fraud and abuse and if implemented it will only guarantee another crisis down the road in need of reform.
Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 20, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Doesn’t the thought of the US government competing with private health insurance send cold chills up ANYONE’S spine like it does mine? Scream fear monger all you want doesn’t it really bother a majority of Americans that we’re not focusing on improving the economy more than pushing for mandated healthcare or socialized medicine? I hear the signs of improvement and am grateful so please don’t bring up that point. Doesn’t it bother people that billions of dollars are going to be added to an already astronomical debt that, in reality, both dems and reps incurred and don’t have to worry about paying back because they’ll have their money? It bothers me that we’ve created a nation that is either too scared and/or lazy to make a move without the government/attourneys telling us what we need to do. I don’t think that President Johnson had in mind when he was creating the “Great Utopia.” I pray that dependence on the government for all of our needs, whether we want to depend on the government or not, was not what he was trying to accomplish.
Posted by: john | October 20, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
With FOX News gaining so much Market Share, I doubt Obama is going to win anything in’10.. and he will definately be out in 2012. Poor choice to put a lover of Mao Tse Tung in as his Director of Communications… Even if she is the wife of the presidents personal lawyer…
Posted by: Gladys | October 20, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Gates is saying the troop call cannot wait and this arogant president is worried about his socialized plan to take over our rights? More kids dieing so this guy can sleep at night?
Posted by: Jim Rod | October 20, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
the conservative base opinion is marginal and insignificant. that opinion might lead some to believe they hold some power on this blog site, but really – How sad. The REALITY is this blog is insignificant. The reality is that the Obama administration is addressing tough issues, has an investment in the progress of our country and most of the world supports our country now. That’s why the Nobel Peace prize was awarded.
Let the conservatives live in their WW2 bunkers. It’s 2009 people. 4th generation warfare and globalization. The majority of citizens support progress and the safety of our country.
Posted by: gus amaral | October 20, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
I think I am changing my whole attitude on this One payer system stuff. I think the Government should expand the Health Care to also incluse Food and housing. I think the Government should tax everyone at 100%, and they pay for everything. I can’t wait, then I will quit working. :)
Thinking about doing it if they pass a Government Health Plan, anyway.:)
Posted by: ajax659 | October 20, 2009, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
The poll you are talking about is full of BS. It skewed the polling in favor of Democrats far more than the actual percentage of Democrats who voted in the 08 election. What makes the poll evern more suspect is the fact that the percentage of voters leaning GOP is now a lot higher than it was in 08. ABC needs to stop being in the tank for the Obama Administration by conducting bogus polls that tries to con the public intor thinking that the Public Option is favored by the majority of folks when the opposite is true.
Posted by: henry | October 20, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Amy in maine —- Obama’s attack on Fox is unprecedented since Nixon ignored NBC in the 70′s. —- The administration doesn’t like the tough questions Fox is asking!! — WHY are there socialists, Marxists, anti-Capitalists all over the Obama team? — Is that what YOU want? — Just because he’s liberal, you support him and want to fundamentally change the United States???? — Wake up!!!
Posted by: SocialistObama | October 20, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
How is it that 48% oppose the healthcare proposals now going through Congress but 57% favor a public option? Is the 57% out of the 45% who support the proposed reforms? How does that work?
Posted by: bct | October 20, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
HOW LONG will it take for people to realize stimulus is a failure. The foreign policy is a failure. The economy is so bad I now have several friends unemployed. Decent hard working people looking at bankruptcy for the first time in their lives after decades of working. Entire working class families looking at tanking. My next door neighbor who is an electrician was told to brace for being out of work for 2 years. 2 YEARS. Obama is always being painted as a success? Success at what??? The talk of more fees taxes and money needed to grow government.. Does anyone else think these are the most insane times? SKIP HOW we got here. HOW about 787BILLION was allocated to fix it and its NOT FIXED. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Success?????? HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MINDS?
Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 20, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
ajax659 — Yeah, you have something there!!! — How about “single-payer” energy, education, and automobiles too?? — Oh, wait, thats what they are trying to do NOW!!!!
Posted by: SocialistObama | October 20, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
A famous democratic trick is to cut everyone into small groups and NICK them for a tax. That way there isnt an uprising by everyone at the same time. BUT they get their pound of flesh from everyone. Death by a thousand taxes. THIS IS SICK and out of control.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | October 20, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Nothing has changed. To suggest that it has, simply means you are presenting a pro-Obama spin, and are a Dem, trying to influence others opinion.
Nothing more.
As an independent thinker, I see through that immediately.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | October 20, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Obama is succesfully implementing his plans!!! — Spend, spend, spend until the economy collapses, the dollar is worthless, and we all become Katrina victims standing on our roofs calling for the government to “save us”!!!! — -Then Obama moves in with his marxist friends!!! — If you want to remain independent, store up food, fuel, and amunition!! — The gimme-gimme’s of the world will be trying to take it from you, because they already lost their independence decades ago!!!!
Posted by: SocialistObama | October 20, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
@bct, Where did you learn math? You know that 57 + 48 = 100.
:)
Posted by: ajax659 | October 20, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
It’s fascinating to me that rightwingers have this big fear of dependency on the government but no fear of being dependent on international corporations, of our economy being controlled by oil companies, or of insurance companies making decisions about our healthcare. It makes me wonder what really motivates rightwingers.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 20, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
H1N1hysteria – I have a better idea why don’t we change the constitution and make Obama President for Life, a la Chazez, nationalize everything declare the United Staes a Socilaist country and when we need some more money we just ask for Obama will just go ahead and print some more for us.
Posted by: wizcat123 | October 20, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Even the founding fathers knew that the government couldn’t be trusted. So, they tried to put in every check and balance they could. Needless to say, some have done away with states rights in some areas (one of the checks) and others would love to do away with some or all of the constitution.
Posted by: deanbob | October 20, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
jhw, name one country with better health care. I dont mean longer average lifespan. That has more to do with lifestyle than healthcare. So do it, name one. One with better drugs, doctors, or systems. Also, I noticed that you and new wave could not resist name calling again. I keep telling you, if you keep fitting that sterotypical mold of a liberal, you will never garner credibility. You can seperate thoughts from emotions, it will help your arguements.
Posted by: dillholedemo | October 20, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Great to learn of Anita Dunn’s favorite political philosopher – MaO Say Dung
Posted by: Freedom | October 20, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
1.No administration should say anything about a news media and say they should not be watched. 2. There was a place to email and tell the whitehouse about people who said negative things about the health care debate. 3. Cash for clunkers program had to be done on a computer and you had to agree to the terms which would give your IP number to the Whitehouse. 4. Obama admin. told Humana group to take down info off their website and not to send out information to seniors on things about health care(which were all true).5 Anita Dunn “we controlled the media” during the presidential campaign. This Really is just the start. Communism, socialism these are things that happen in other parts of the world. Not in America! 3 more years of this! ouch!
Posted by: tim | October 20, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
time to campaign but no time for the troops. Very sad
Posted by: DJ | October 20, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Since when did sitting Presidents did NOT attend Fundraisers for their party……oh, I forgot. Since “Barry” was elected, right. And it’s President Barack Obama. Only his family has been given permission to call him “Barry”…got a problem with that!
Posted by: sara | October 20, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm