Oct 25, 2009 10:26am
VIDEO: Legalizing Marijuana: Times They Are A-Changin’
Not there yet, but the roundtable seemed to think that the legalization of marijuana is coming. John Podesta even suggested (in jest?) taxing marijuana could be a way to pay for health care. The times they are a-changin’.
Watch video HERE:
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If we have pot we won’t NEED the prescription drug benefit. (taxpayer RIPOFF!!!)
This can’t happen. A: It makes TOO much sense and B: It cuts down profits from the Billion dollar a year pharmecutical industry… nope will NEVER happen… But some people can still “Hope” for “Change” around here. Praise Allah, er um… I mean… uh God???
Posted by: jafo | October 25, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
As a 40 year smoker of pot, and someone who recently gave it up with no problem, I can attest that this issue of pot STILL remaining illegal has been fueling the waste of national tax dollars by including pot in this war on drugs campaign, the destruction of lives due to incarceration of non violent people, and the absolute refusal to acknowledge, even in times of fiscal crisis, the potential for revenue and jobs pot would generate for our ailing state and the economy at large. Not only that but legalization would strip away the mystique and thus attraction for smoking it! Legalization would DESTROY the black market. For those of you out there with doubts, let me assure you that the worst thing I have experienced with pot is that as you get older, your body chemistry and life situation changes and it may not be as wonderful as it was in the early days…. sigh.
Posted by: Loath_GOP | October 25, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
How can anyone suggest this. “Times are changing”..seriously. Just because people like to do it does not mean we should promote it and legalize it. Where would this end…..where? People like crack cocaine…tax it….people like walking nude in the city..tax it and get a permit. It would never stop.
Posted by: TruthnMichigan | October 25, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Pots just been illegal so dirty Republican Christian’s could make a mint off controlling the drug trade.
Prohibition of pot is ignorance.
Posted by: MakeitLegal | October 25, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
And we would no longer have to pay for the non-criminals sent to prison. Imagine the millions of dollars in savings? Imagine many of those people going about their business living normal lives.
And we would no longer have to pay billions of dollars for the drug war against marijuana. Whoops! I forgot. The government would no longer be able to confiscate all that property of people without trial merely thought to be maybe involved in some way. Yeah. THAT would be a big loss.
And imagine all those drug cartels no longer being able to make billions of dollars off selling it. Imagine every American having TRUE AND REAL access to the best health care in the world without having to be rich to afford it.
Imagine THAT!
Posted by: mshare | October 25, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
@ TruthnMichigan: “Where would this end?” That’s a great fact-driven argument. I think that particular horse left the gate when prohibition ended. Unless you want to make booze illegal again. Might as well include tobacco too, given it’s demonstrated health effects.
Posted by: Huh? | October 25, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am
If alcohol were not legal there would be no chance in hell of becoming so. Pot {clean pot} is much less dangerous than alcohol and if you don’t think so you are just kidding yourself. Legalize it!
Posted by: PEK | October 25, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Legalize Pot and make it illegal to drive under the influence just like alcohol and allow someone to buy it 18 years or older just like cigarettes.
Different strains of weed have different effects. Example: Sativa is an upper head high, and Indica is a body high.
Studies show that it would take 1500 lbs. in 15 minutes to have THC poisoning. “That could never happen”.
Sneaking around the cops for a little bit of Pot is rediculous since it doesn’t hurt anyone. Pot should be legalized since it wastes taxpayer dollars arresting people, and ruining their lives locked up. It would put the drug Cartels out of business if the public can grow their own weed.
Most of the weed grown and sold is coming from growners here in the US under the cover of their own homes. The weed that is coming from Mexico is “dirt weed” and of poor quality. The weed from California on the other hand is grown under controlled conditions to produce the best quality of weed.
Posted by: Aaron | October 25, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
It should be legal! Alcohol is leagal and kills millions every year. the US could spend more money on harder drugs like cocaine and quit putting potsmokers in jail and overfilling prisons for an herb god put on the planet. the Dec of independence was printed on hemp! G. washington loved the stuff. Benefits outways any other argument
Posted by: Jason M | October 25, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Another thing, the Jobless rate would decrease by half because many folks cant get a job because of THC drug tests. You dont see pot smokers killing people while driving stoned or stoned people beating their wives, but you do with drunks!!!! Just because somebody told you it was bad doesnt mean it is. You dont see Stoners at AA meetings, i mean i could go on and on but seriously im surprised its taken this long to get people talking about this!!! its obvious
Posted by: Jason M | October 25, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Legalize it!! Benefits outway any other argument anybody has. It’s legal in Amsterdam and they thrive off the business and you never hear of a stoned driver killing 3 kids in a car accident
Posted by: Jason in Tennessee | October 25, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Loath_GOP . . . That argument is ridiculous on so many levels it’s difficult to know where to start. First of all, alcohol was legalized many, many years ago and what have we legalized since then that would make you think legalizing marijuana would lead us down the road to legalizing crack cocaine or walking nude in the park. Secondly, have you ever smoked pot? Do you have any basis for your knowledge of pot use. The amount of money that has been spent and the lives of non-violent, otherwise law-abiding, society contributing people that have been ruined is immeasurable.
Posted by: Jack | October 25, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Idea how about we legalize pot or criminalize liquor and beer? At least then our laws and the arguments behind them would finally make sense.
Posted by: jafo | October 25, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Legalize it and tax it all you want. But to use this as a justification to pay for nationalized healthcare is idiocy. There is no enumerated power in the constitution that lets the government act as an insurance company. It’s yet another overstepping of their constitutional authority.
Posted by: Michael | October 25, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
To anyone who thinks legalizing it is not a good idea. Let me ask you a question or two.
1. Why does the government get to determine what you should do with your body, if you want to be owned by the government, go be a civil servant or G.I.
2. That glass of wine you drank last night was on the same platform 100 years ago. Why not make progress, instead of regress, stop fighting people. Why can you not see things other people’s way, and accept it.
Bottom line, not everyone has a right to everything, but people have the right to something.
Posted by: Mikhael | October 25, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Just what we need. Come on people, the tax dollars come form somewhere. A new tax from an already limited income of most Americans means that tax revenue from another product is diminished. Let’s say the people start opting for a drag instead of a beer. Tax revenue from beer decreases because the consumer adjusted their spending to something else. People have only a certain amount of money to spend. Besides it would be another medical expense that the new government program would have to cover. Meaning that the ones that get the prescription won’t be the ones paying for it. So where is the real tax revenue coming from? It would be a net loss. Unless of course the cost of enforcing drug laws is more expensive than dealing with the the damage the state sponsored drug addicts will inflict upon the economy and society. No thank you.
Posted by: TX_MBell | October 25, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
John Podesta is a stooge of George Soros. Legalization of illegal drugs has long been one of Soros’ dreams.
Posted by: MonicaL | October 25, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Could this be THE BEGINNING of some of ‘GOOD JOBS’ Obama has talked about?? Being the overseer at an Obama Pot Farm! What a deal!
Posted by: PappyHappy | October 25, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Jack, you must be high. RE-READ MY POST!
Posted by: Loath_GOP | October 25, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
@TX_MBell You forget one important fact. People already spend their money on marijuana. This creates a large market that remains untaxed. Not to mention millions of tax dollars being spent to to eliminate this market.
Legalizing marijuana would produce brand new taxable market. It would create a brand new industry worth millions, all taxable. That combined with the decrease in law enforcement and prison spending, would save taxpayers millions.
Fiscally, legalizing makes sense.
Posted by: ChrisM | October 25, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Legalize it and them when the people have mental issues and injuries through intoxicated driving; public health insurance can pay for it!! We can import it from China.
They dont call it “Chronic” for nothing?? as in “Chrinic Psycosis”
Posted by: Joe | October 25, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Hey, no reason to tax, just have the government grow it and sell it!!
This is a good example of an elitest becoming too much in love with himself.
Posted by: donbl1 | October 25, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
In addition to keeping people needy and ignorant we are going to keep them stoned too? Don’t we already have enough clueless people society?
I can just see it now” the administration is considering a stimulus package for dope dealers going bankrupt from the legalization of drugs”.
Posted by: david | October 25, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
ha ha. the gov will not ever legalize jane because they are making too much income from it as it is. they want all u illigal dopers to get caught, lose your jobs, homes, cars and family by going to prison. meanwhile the gov is bringing dope into the us, selling it on the street and making a back door profit. give me a break, it will never be legal.
Posted by: jethro | October 25, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
ChrisM. I had hoped that would be the case. But when the user base is expanded it creates issues just as bad or worse than the original problem. The people that are in prison have a life style that is toxic to a civilized society. Removing the legal deterrents for some will open the gates to even further social decline. The current laws concerning the use and sale of liqueur do fine when the individual sobers up and faces stiff consequences. And similar laws may apply for irresponsible use and sale of mind altering drugs. But at what cost will the collateral damage be? We just went through a transition concerning tobacco and its ill affects on the user and by-standers. Should we be so eager to start another round of health and social issues? Do we really want a repeat? The money being spent on drugs now still comes from a limited individual income. But having it legal does not mean that the money currently being spent will make it’s way to health or social programs that heal an individual that will cost more than what they contribute. The thieves and killers in the drug trade will just migrate to something else. I believe kidnapping and human trafficking are on the rise. How will we legalize that? This is a bad thing for the government to throw up its hands and say its just too much work. Why send a signal to the criminals to change to another big market? The tax dollars being spent on drug enforcement now will only be moved to it. I say keep the criminals engaged in what they have now and round them up. The next big illegal market could be worse.
Posted by: TX_MBell | October 25, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Legalization will do nothing but hurt us gun dealers profits. My customers are mostly gang members now, but we do have some law enforcement and hunters. No, legalization will only hurt us in the wallet too much!
Posted by: tom | October 25, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
I am not surprised at the response of the majority on here. It proves the theory that the same people who hat FOX news are pothead liberals. They break the law, then whine about the people who call them out on it. Grow up!
Posted by: bo | October 25, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Drug problems have been steadily increasing in California in the past 10 years. I certainly hope someone looks to see if there is any correlation between the easy access to pot and the escalation of drug use in our teens.
This is no joke, kids in my sons San Diego high school are dealing with an epidemic of prescription drug use. They start with pot, increase to smoking pot and oxycontin(oxycontin is highly addictive) and when that gets too expensive they move on to heroin. The San Diego police actually just started a prescription drug task force to deal with the problem. There have been too many deaths and drug addicted teenagers recently…legalizing drug use is NOT a good idea.
Posted by: wow | October 25, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
I don’t like drugs like Marijuana I hate them with a passion but I say legalize Marijuana but let the government grow and sell it for three reasons.
1.) When drug cartels and gangs sell Marijuana your not just getting the Marijuana your getting what ever else they put in there as well.
2.) Gangs and drug cartels make a lot of money by selling these drugs if we can increase the supply of Marijuana the price goes down which financially hurts the gangs and drug cartels.
3.) Fighting against Marijuana isn’t about fighting to protect people as cigarettes and alcohol are much more dangerous, this is about protecting certain powerful individual’s beliefs about Marijuana.
Posted by: Nathan | October 25, 2009, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
I still get so confused….. This guy makes it very clear that the government is going to start taxing (charging us for healthcare) base on our life stlyes and eating habits. Didn’t anybody else get that. An amendment to this health care bill was just shot down this week to that would have forced any one owning a handgun to be charged 25,000+ dollars a year. This is the crumbling cliff we stand on when the government starts “TAXING” us on our life styles. It’s more then a slippery slope.
This is why the government should be spending their energy and our current tax dollars (without increasing them) to clean up the fraud waste and abuse in the current health care system.
Maybe if they can “SHOW ME” their responsible with our lives in that respect, maybe, repeat maybe then I’ll consider letting them be in charge of health care.
Posted by: Cyplesma | October 25, 2009, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Taxing marijuana (especially for medicinal use) would be a HUGE mistake. First, it sets a precedent for taxing health care and other pharmaceuticals – which is probably a bad idea. Secondly, whatever government taxes, government PROMOTES.
If marijuana becomes the government’s new “cash cow” then every sort of government “incentive” will be applied to increase the use of the drug. This will probably have the very desirable effect of undercutting every other sort of (unlawful) drug and would probably bankrupt the cartels, but it still puts government in the business of promoting drug use.
Better to just cut marijuana loose and let people grow it themselves: that also will undercut and likely bankrupt the cartels without creating yet another drug “industry” monster.
Posted by: JLS1950B | October 25, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
How is it that some people can say how dangerous marijuana is ,,,and they have never tried it? The reefer madness lies have been proven wrong for years,,,,if pot was really as dangerous as they say,,,,,don’t you think we would have people overdosing and dieing from it,,,,must have been a lie,,,,,it causes insanity,,,,,,NOT….it doesn’t incite criminal behavior….it doesn’t incite violence,,,,It IS better than what big pharma pushes on the people when it comes to being safer,,,,how many thousands of people OD every year on drugs grom big pharma? How many adverse side effects come from the so called safe legal man made drugs,,,,you don’t have adverse side effects with marijuana,,,just results. To those who would object insurance paying for it,,,,it would be cheaper than the mega drugs they make huge profits off of now,,,pot is JUST A WEED,,,,costs are high now because of the BLACK MARKET,,,,,,our government is in deep denial if they think legalizing pot would not create jobs or revenues as Obama stated earlier in the year,It would create MORE jobs than ANY stimulus, and BILLIONS in revenues instead of taxes down the road to repay stimulus’s.
Posted by: tincup 56 | October 25, 2009, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
If legal, it would be grown in California. Then Sacramento would regulate the heck out of it, then the price would go up, then the Feds will subsidize it, you get the picture?
Posted by: Average Man | October 26, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Prostitution should be legal, too. Keeping it illegal is what does all the harm to society.
Posted by: Jacky | October 26, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Good way to throw the dogs off the trail. Instead of arguing that the government should not be into the health care business, let’s get everybody into drug legalization debate.
The bottom line is that we don’t want the government into our private business. But, but, look at all that money we could raise by TAXING marijuana. Folks, we don’t need any new ttaxes either. They already are taxing the very air you breath, do you really want them doing this.
Just legalize every disgusting sinful habit and that will fix everything.
Posted by: A. Person | October 26, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Pot is the least harmful of any vice, including alcohol, cigarettes and over the long term probably coffee. I have said for years that it should be legalized and taxed, it’s a weed so it grows anywhere, and imagine the effect it would have on the illegal drug trade. Plus the tobacco companies could switch some lines to produce marijuana cigarettes, making more jobs for them, their marketing dept’s, all down the line.
Legalize and make the places that sell it akin to liquor stores, permits, oversight’s, etc.
The government could put a 100% tax on it and it would still be cheaper than buying off the street. If you look at the history of pot prohibition it all started with taxes, not public safety anyway.
Posted by: okie75 | October 26, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
It is ridiculous that marijuana is illegal in the first place. In the second place, many Republicans have been calling for the end of prohibition for a long time. Lastly, for anyone to think that there are serious health risks associated with smoking marijuna requires insane logic. It has been proven multiple times that marijuana is not that harmful, is not in reality a “gateway drug”, it grows in the US naturally, and stoned people typically drive about 20 miles an hour. We could be getting tons of money from taxing it, but no, we have to have the DEA czars go after people who use it and grow it. What idiocy. I heard about the so-called “study” that claims that pot leads to psychosis. As a trained sociologist and statistician, I have a lot of problems with that study. First, I felt like there were problems with the control group. Second, there was obvious bias against marijuana use. What kind of study is that? The prejudiced kind, that’s what.
I’ve smoked pot my whole life and have not felt any bad effects. I finished college with a 3.8 GPA and with honors; I’ve been in a successful career all my adult life; I’ve raised four children; and I’m still married to my first husband. So, DEA, put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!
Posted by: Lissa | October 26, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Suggeated (in jest) Politicians suggest nothing in jest. This is a trial balloon. These people would legalize murder if they could tax it.
Posted by: bob | October 26, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Increased tax revenue would be minimal! People would simply grow their own…it is a weed after all.
Posted by: green thumb | October 26, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Predictably the moral decay of America accelerates under a liberal democrat administration
Posted by: david | October 26, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Why do companies require when the random drug test are done on workers and the findings are positive, they have to let those employees go? Because they are prone to accidents which leads to injuries or deaths,and then law suits. MaryJane stays in a persons system for 30 days. We are no longer a productive society as it is, but with these slow motion clowns working, there will not be any companies to them.
Posted by: chasbquar | October 26, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am
This is an issue of basic freedom, and just another example of a government “solution” causing far more problems than it solves. Why do we let our elected officials continue to make criminals out of othewise decent citizens? Smokers don’t rape, rob, or murder other citizens, so there is no legitimate state interest for keeping MJ illegal. There is clear evidence that keeping it illegal causes far more socital harm than legalization ever would. Since people can’t buy it legally, they are forced to buy through other channels. That provides windfall profits for cartels, smugglers, and street gangs, and THAT is what causes the violent crime. Provide a legal means for smokers to get their weed, and all those problems would disappear along with the problems.
Posted by: Farmguy_Mag | October 26, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am
2009: obamas moral and economic jihad.
Posted by: antony | October 26, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Freedom is freedom people…whether you agree with it or not.
Posted by: SonofaThomasJefferson | October 26, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
So do those in favor of legalizing pot also favor cocaine, heroin, crack? If not, why? Its easy to say that pot is harmless, but that may be JUST TO YOU. Just as someone may say cocaine is harmless to themselves.
Posted by: Vince | October 26, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
If they legalize a plant, why the hell would I bother going to a government run, pot shop, and get taxed…
When I can just grow it myself… tough choice.
Posted by: SubjectofUSSA | October 26, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Those of you that think this is going to happen are pipe Dreaming. The Government is in the Process of making Cigarettes Illegal because of the health risks of the Smoke and somehowyou think they are going to Ignore the Smoke from Pot? Are you Kidding?
Posted by: Patch W Adams | October 26, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
If you consider that most of the income from the drug import trade comes from this crop – AND – this crop is not near as physically harmful as tobacco or alcohol, then what is the case on continuing to categorize it as illegal?
The war going on in Mexico is heavily funded by the trafficking of marijuana, and legalizing it would remove the largest cash crop the cartels have.
Some would say that this would cause an influx of Meth, Cocaine or otherwise. That simply isn’t so. They way the money works with the cartels is that they sell a crop that costs little to produce (Marijuana), and use those proceeds to purchase the chemicals necessary to refine Coca and also to produce Meth. Legalizing Marijuana would remove alot of the capital needed for sustained Meth/Coke operations – making a huge hit on Cartels.
However, if you consider that the Police use the illegal status of Marijuana to seize the cars, homes, and money of those transporting/growing it in the US, then having them back legalization is going to be the number one problem.
After they legalize it, then the number of “raids” they go on drops, and the number of cops necessary to enforce the removed laws drops – their ‘free’ cash flow from marijuana seizures also drops, and so the manning requirements force cops out of jobs. This is the definition of an artificial economy that the “Just Say No” style war on drugs has developed.
LEGALIZE IT.
Posted by: Dere | October 26, 2009, 9:52 am 9:52 am
I can’t believe I’m in agreement with a “Liberal” position!
Why on earth support drug-lords, wreck a home-grown industry, ruin citizens lives for a non-crime, deny solace to some very very sick people, and continue to spend incredible amounts of taxpayer dollars on a forty year old “War” we lost twenty years ago?
Posted by: James McGrath | October 26, 2009, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Just think of all the “Green Jobs” that legalization would create!
Posted by: HIGHinNY | October 26, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
I don’t really see how you can make and intellectually honest argument that pot shouldn’t be legal, yet be ok with alcohol and cigarettes status as legal.
anyway, what i want to do in the confines of my own home is nobody’s business, so long as i don’t harm anyone else.
taxation and all that comes with it is simply a part of trading a commodity on the open market, and should not be used as the basis for legalization. It is secondary to the fact that we allow alcohol, we should allow pot for the same reason- let people choose to use or not use.
Posted by: dutch master flex | October 26, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Y’all need to put down the bong, let your minds clear, and think this through for a minute. This will quickly come full-circle. The same people who used to get busted for growing and selling illegal pot will now get busted for growing and selling UNTAXED pot. And probably receive stiffer fines and sentences. Get it?
Posted by: Bobarian | October 26, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
I have never used any illegal drug in my life, not so much as one puff of pot.
Hell yes we should legalize pot. And cocane, crack, meth, heroine, the whole thing. No, I am not kidding.
Produce it here, sell it here, tax it here. Break the back of the drug cartells. Dry up funding for our enemies.
In the name of this absurd “war on drugs” we are losing lives, money, and freedom. It is stupid and we can no longer afford it.
Posted by: Constitutional Don | October 26, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Legalize it and let Big Tobacco produce, package and distribute it just like they do with their “evil” cigarettes.
Pot will be the new cash crop, capitalism will thrive, and 53% of the population will be too stoned to have a clue for the next election.
It’s WIN-WIN!
Posted by: Friendo | October 26, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
If weed is legalized so that it can be taxed, GROWING cannabis will probably still be illegal. Otherwise, people will just grow their own and never pay taxes on traded weed. I know I would. Growing pot is easy and the results are far superior to smuggled marijuana. Very little tax money would come from pot. Most everyone would probably grow and share, although some would still buy and sell like bootleggers. However there would be huge savings of tax dollars that is currently being spent chasing down and prosecuting folks who like to smoke. It is hard to imagine what it would be like if pot were legal. For example, you know how employers like to go around drug testing everyone these days? I don’t just mean drug testing bus drivers, I mean drug testing people who sell bus tickets. If weed were legal would they still not hire or even fire those that failed a urine test? After all, THC stays in the body for 21 days, way way longer than any other drug, so most of the time drug screening is really just marijuana screening. I doubt that it would change. The social stigma associated with smoking herb would not disappear overnight. If pot becomes legal don’t expect to be sharing a bowl with your boss at the same time you’re having a few beers after work. It will still be looked down on. People who smoke will still be viewed as “druggies”.
Posted by: bubbadiamonds | October 26, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
hey…let’s legalize pot and ban transfats, high-fructose corn syrup, and other foods. this is so screwed up.
Podesta and his ilk are ruining this country. the mantra now is “if it feels good, do it twice.” how about a little restraint and self-discipline?
Posted by: slim | October 26, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
How about the left legalizing oil before pot- just a thought.
Posted by: scot | October 26, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Evidently 53% of the population was too stoned to have a clue for the last election. How is THAT win-win working out for you?
Posted by: Bobarian | October 26, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
I have no problem with it being legal, I think everyone should have the right to grow their own. Why should the government declair that it should only be legal as long as they can get their greedy little hands into the mix. This govenment is out of control and would sell their own mothers for a ten spot.
Posted by: jeckelmyhyde | October 26, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
You see, once you legalize marijuana, the drug is instantly off the black market. The DEA, police, prisons, courts, and other Drug War costs(budgets) would be instantly reduced. The ATF would then get more proceeds to regulate the industry and become the ATMF. Local farmers could legally cultivate the crop and legally sale it to dispensaries (tax 1). These dispensaries then would sale it to the adult public (tax 2). By elementing the Black Market, underage minors would have a harder time getting the drug which causes severe productivity issues for teens. The opposition is from the DEA, police, prisons, Rx Drugs, anti-drug lobbyists, moralists, and drug lord lobbyists. All of them would loose MONEY if it was taken off the Black Market and federally regulated. Anyone who opposes marijuana legalization is either ignorant of the facts or has an agenda.
On a side note: Just like you can brew your own beer, small quantities of marijuana should be allowed to be grown too.
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am
The problem with the whole tax idea is that folks will just grow their own. Can you tax a good which never enters the stream of commerce?
That said, the marijuana prohibition is a farce. A colossal waste of money and lives driven by ideology. Free the people!!
Posted by: PLH | October 26, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Yeah this makes much more sence. That way not only will you have to worry about the cell phone user, the drunk, and now the pot smoker paranoid he is being followed, from running into you with his car. How many brain dead leftest do we need. We already have too many.
Posted by: Dave P | October 26, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Pot should be illegal. In my opinion, pot-smokers are a stain on our society. Most of the time (but not always) they have no desire to advance themselves. Usually they are lazy slobs who contribute nothing to civilization. I believe that legalizing pot would do nothing more than tempt simple-minded people to experience the stultifying effects of this harmful-drug. The day that this drug becomes legal will only be a victory for those who have been systematically destroying American culture since the 1960s.
Posted by: JJ | October 26, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
That seems like a good Idea to pay for health care. How about we pay other things off by… Hummm… I know lets let high priced federal criminals pay their way out of prison. There must be a hundred ways to use this idea. Just thinking…
Posted by: Lew | October 26, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
The question is this drugs will NEVER go away, someone will always buy them and someone will always sell them. Who do you want to control the drugs? Drug cartels or a government regulated system(ie alcohol). There is no middle ground!
Posted by: Eric | October 26, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Sounds like we need to do what minority Californians would like? Just take a look at when we all do what minority interests would like us to do.
Posted by: NOUMSAYIN' | October 26, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Stoned and Stupid.
The new advertising motto for the Democratic party.
I will vote for any idiot when I am high,, ya ya just give me free pizza and I don’t care what the Democrats do in office.
Posted by: Joe | October 26, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am
With 26 MILLION Americans having use in the last 12 months, and only 3 million (already occupied) prison beds, who wants to pay to build prisons to house the other 23 MILLION American citizens you want to turn into criminals? You want to pay for it too? I have ZERO interest in providing three hots and a cot for a non-violent drug user. Let them fend for themselves, and focus on REAL crime!
The ‘War on Drugs’ is an unmitigated, abysmal failure. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply isn’t paying attention, or works for the DEA or ONDCP. After FORTY YEARS, drugs are still freely available in EVERY city, and EVERY state. We haven’t prevented a SINGLE person from using.
We give away BILLIONS every year o 3rd world countries under the pretense that they will use it to fight drugs. Any help there? No
We spend billions at home arresting and locking up nearly a million cannabis aficionados every year, any progress after four decades? No
Just as alcohol’s Prohibition nearly a century ago only put the (untaxed) lucrative trade into the hands of the black market, who promptly started selling poisonous product, is this actually HELPING anyone? No
The black market (which has a TOTAL lock on cannabis right now) will NEVER card your kids. And after forty years of this ‘WoD,’ we’ve proven we CAN’T make it go away.
I want to protect my kids from Cartels and black markets, LEGALIZE CANNABIS!!
Alcohol KILLS 75,000 Americans/year, and addicts 10% of those who use.
Cigarettes KILL 450,000 Americans/year, and addict 30% of those who use.
Cannabis kills ZERO Americans/year, and can cause dependence in 10% of those who use. A dependence that is MUCH easier to break than the physical addiction of alcohol or cigarettes.
The VAST majority of cannabis aficionados are hard-working, tax-paying, home-owning, child-rearing CITIZENS, who simply want to relax with a different substance than alcohol or nicotine. That stuff will kill you, you know!
DON’T TREAD ON ME!!
Posted by: Fred Evil | October 26, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Oh my, here we go with another Drudge Dump.
Posted by: WWW | October 26, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Does this mean if we don’t smoke pot,we’ll be accused of not supporting healthcare? Or more insidiously, we would be made to feel like we don’t care about the ill? I just don’t trust the way these people think.
Posted by: wyn | October 26, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Legalizing Marijuana is obama’s idea of creating green jobs. Only these green jobs will go up in smoke. What a dope he is!
Posted by: cicsasus | October 26, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
wyn – “Does this mean if we don’t smoke pot,we’ll be accused of not supporting healthcare? ”
Are you serious? Really? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Posted by: Fred Evil | October 26, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
the majority of men and women with kids do not want this legalized. i can honestly say that i’ve smoked it. did it do me any good? did it improve my grades in college? did it help me concentrate? absolutely not. pot smoking is a very methodical form of distraction. from anything. it leads to lower productivity and lower quality in virtually everything.
Posted by: Davidtoo | October 26, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
LOL at you idiots comparing pot heads to drunk drivers. Sorry but I’ll stand in the middle of the road with a pot head smoking a j bearing down on me ANY DAY over a guy drinking alcohol bearing down on me. Pot heads don’t get in accidents, they pay more attention to the road.
Posted by: SubjectofUSSA | October 26, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
I say legalize it and tax the heck out of it to pay for health care and also rehabilitation for hard drug users.
Posted by: Kathy | October 26, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
As one who is and has been chronically ill for 11 yrs, I can tell you all that if this drug was found, discovered, today, there would be lines at the patent office trying to cash in on its arrival onscene medically. No single governmental or non-governmental agency will ever control this, as George Carlin put it so long ago, ” because everybody knows what grows in a Toledo windowbox”.
(It’s why they call it ‘weed’….it is one.)
Posted by: PaulfromTexas | October 26, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Barak Hussein Obama and his Czars are a bunch of dopes that have no clue.
Posted by: Don | October 26, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Once they tax you they will track you. Privacy is one of the things you will give up if the govt is involved.
The govt data base of legal pot smokers will provide a wealth of information and the opportunity for control of –YOU.
Next will be the questions on th job application and the access to the data base from employers.
Can you say “I no longer have a job… but I get my pot from the govt approved store!”
Tax the growers by requiring tax be paid by retailers when they purchase inventory. It should make no difference who is buying it at the retail level.
But it is a slippery slope. Remember what you wish for.
Posted by: Mysticdon | October 26, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Using the same logic – How about taxing a few other activities such as;
Taxing – Bank robbery,
Prostitution,
Stealing, Think of the tax bill Madoff would have had,
Embezzlement,
Jay Walking,
Breathing, Think of the C02 in this one,
Looking,
Speaking too much,
a Birth tax,
A shoe tax,
A fireplace tax,
A no-fireplace tax, That way you get them both ways.
Oh – this list could go on and on, but my favorite is one we actually have in my community which is,
A Tax on rain on your property. Some call it the act of God tax.
Posted by: Ken | October 26, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am
It was interesting to see the uneasy atmosphere created with Laura Ingraham on the show. The liberals are so used to just George Will and the rest ganging up. They were completely ill at ease. I loved it. It shows just how one sided the normal NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN etc. is.
Posted by: brian | October 26, 2009, 10:42 am 10:42 am
I’m hanging with jafo; the discussion over ending the days of prohibition do not belong in a discussion about whether to nationalize health care. The ONLY association is that to nationalize health care is to ELIMINATE FREE CHOICE, which is essentially what this drug war on a far safer substance than other legal substances does as well.
Posted by: ayrand4freedom | October 26, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Anyone who smokes pot right now isn’t going to bother to buy it legally. Why bother to pay tax on something you can just as easily get illegally and avoid paying any tax?
Legalize the stuff and be done with it. There’s no point in jailing people for it. It’s a waste of tax dollars to imprison people for this.
(libertarian Christian here too.)
Posted by: armenia4ever | October 26, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
This is not Democrat or Republican issue. It is an issue between those that know the facts, those that lie for an agenda, and those that simply don’t know the facts. To all the people that are like, “Drugs are bad MMmmkay”. Wakeup to the fact that the Black Market is a market. Marjuana has been used/bought by 64% of the American population. Everything that is BAD about marijuana is under the current crimalization laws. Driving while stoned… it already exists. Youths doing pot… it already exists. By legalizing marijuana, you can at least regulate it. Instead of Mexican druglords selling your kids moldy PCP-ladened marijuana, it would be regulated and grown by organic US farmers. Did you know the DEA sprays foreign crops of Marijuana with weed killer… then the druglords cut it down and sell it before it dies. That wouldn’t happen if it was regulated. Think.
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Cigarettes and alcohol? No problem! Why not marijuana? The government would make back billions.
Posted by: Andy | October 26, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Legalize it, the generations are different and thats a fact. The republican types are so silly, making our country look like its tearing apart because of “librals.” The truth is no one cares. all we want is a stable economy, fiscal responsiblity, and viable options on how to generate revenue for our goals. Foolish americans have become caught up in who is what and what is right. The fact is who is allowed to say they are doing the right thing?
I have come to find most people are just scummy and want to gain at others losses. Also that most people detract “stoners” as nothing or as if they do not think or have feeling. They think a little more then most and speak slower because they are minding their words carfully. Those who never stop to smell the roses will never understand and keep on the destructive path of american life.
Posted by: John | October 26, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
A culture should define itself. I guess California (maybe the entire U.S.) wants an increase in drugs, more sex, less responsibility, etc. Seems to me, we should try to learn from the Roman Empire. We are not headed down a productive path.
Posted by: Dennis | October 26, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
My 23 year old daughter told me that parents get drunk and beat their kids, but parents who smoke pot get down and fingerpaint with their kids. The war on mary jane is a waste of resources. Legalize it, tax it and regulate its use.
Posted by: Stewart | October 26, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
yeah lets legalize drugs some we can validate a whole generation of apathetic stoners, yeah thats good.
Posted by: Steve | October 26, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Let me if I have this correct. Pot is illegal but the gov needs cash. So, make it legal and tax it.
Why not take everything illegal, make it legal and tax it? Sounds like a gov plan…..like heroin, slavery, mollesters, etc.
This admin has no MORALS!!!
Posted by: BBub | October 26, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am
If these comments are any indicator, it appears that the THC-deficient folks make a much less intelligent argument for the continuation of pot prohibition than do the pro-pot folks who recognize and tout its myriad of socio-economic benefits.
Posted by: Intel Agents | October 26, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Marijuana is not the equivilant of crack and heroin and should not be a schedule one drug. It is no worse, and in my opinion safer, than alcohol. I smoke cigarettes and let me tell you they are far more addictive than pot.
Posted by: dfdj sdfhsdjf | October 26, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The first word to come to mind? DUH! Libertarians have been trumpeting this idea for years, but of course, its ignored. For YEARS libertarians have said over and over, like a mantra, “If you want to stop illegal drug dealers, shoot them right in the wallet!” Imagine the immense amount of money that would be saved, local, state, and federal, just from not engaging in a ineffective war on drugs. Not to mention, taxation of drugs. Tax and distribution control seems to be a better solution to our financial ills and drug control then running a police state and insuring a thriving black market. Plus, the ripple effect of eliminating the primary revenue stream of gangs in this country. Gee, I wonder what the Crips and the Bloods would do if they didn’t have drug turf to battle over. What does the continuing illegality of drugs in this country say about the desire of the state?
Posted by: dumpbox | October 26, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Not a bad idea; we may need a joint or two to deal with what’s coming!
Posted by: kat44 | October 26, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Dude, ALL drugs should be legal, including heroin. It will thin the herd.
Posted by: William Penn | October 26, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Make grass legal and the current govt. and taxes illegal.
Posted by: Gentile_Joe | October 26, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Here is a news flash for you. Get government out of health care completely and it will be better and the government wouldn’t have to cry about their inability to manage it. The problem is not needing money the problem is idiotic misfit running the system.
Posted by: dave | October 26, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
MakeitLegal
“Pots just been illegal so dirty Republican Christian’s could make a mint off controlling the drug trade.
Prohibition of pot is ignorance.”
You are kidding; right?
The forerunner of the DEA was created by LBJ; a Dem.
Do a little research before you spout off on Georgie’s Bottom Line…
Posted by: freddy | October 26, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am
America already has one very serious legal drug problem called “alcohol”.
We don’t need another one.
Posted by: Robert | October 26, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
I have over 13 years clean and sober. There is not one recovering addict who will tell you that legalizing marijuana is a good idea. Marijuana is a gateway drug, period. I will ask any legislator to make sure that marijuana smokers live next door to them, that they and their children to can enjoy the second hand drug as it wafts into their backyard. The only “Hand” we have now is that smokers behave themselves as they don’t want the police called on them, trust me I know. When we take that “control” out of play, watch out..chaos! it is enough that alcohol is destroying lives in the home, and on the road, now we are going to welcome marijuana to? I recently had a toothless hippie ask me to sign his petition to legalize it here in California, I looked at him, unkempt hair, disheveled appearance, he had enough enamel in his mouth to make maybe one tooth and I responded to him “You don’t need to toke to have a life, and I would suggest you shower, shave and get your hair cut, and visit the dentist” we do not need to use something outside ourselves to make us feel better on the inside, let’s expect more and challenge each other rather than allow our neighbors to lapse in to nothingness
Posted by: Commonsense58 | October 26, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
SOMEONE SAID:” You dont see pot smokers killing people while driving stoned or stoned people beating their wives, but you do with drunks!!!!”
ARE YOU SERIOUS? You must have bought some cheap crap (pot) cause if you smoke some good weed it will definitely affect your driving! Your reflexes are slower and you think it is funny to drive the wrong way on a one way street! I speak from experience! DWI IS DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED>>Regardless of the drug! DUI Driving under the influence!
I don’t condone drunks or dopes behind the wheel! Think it isn’t a problem? Wait till it’s legal! Guess some people haven’t lost a loved one due to drugs or alcohol. Nor do they have a loved one who just couldn’t stop with just pot. Had to have that higher high they offered at the party and now they are hooked. Heroin? Coke? Dope is for dopes.
Posted by: Tracy | October 26, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
I am a rare breed. A right wing Conservative pot smoker. It is high time we legalize it. I have been smoking for 35 years and climbed the highest mountain in the US last week. (Mt Whitney) My wife has a glass of wine with dinner, I do a joint after dinner. We have raised 3 well adjusted kids. i am a self made (multi) millionaire. Why in the heck can I not enjoy a joint after dinner? How can the Government tell me this is illegal when cigarettes and alcohol are legal. It’s time to legalize and tax it!
Posted by: danceswithtrees | October 26, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Finally, Obama can create some of his GREEN JOBS that he has been touting.
Posted by: Bryan | October 26, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Question: what happens when every park, parking lot, intersection, etc., not to mention every other backyard reeks of weed. Then it’ll be a nice place to live. Typical of you lefties: “give me MY freedom, even at the expense of imposing my lifestyle on others”. Never mind that the tax on maryJane will have little revenue generating benefit, because the price will drop as soon as it comes on the market. Will we tax it like cigarettes? — which is to say we’ll allow a generation to get hooked, and then collect the tax for whole of their lives? Oh yeah, that sounds like freedom. What abut the health risks? What about the burden on the health care system? As usual, another Feelgood policy ignores completely the consequences. Please, vote these idiots out! — while there’re still enough people not stoned out of their heads to do it!
Posted by: Thrasybulos | October 26, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Level the playing field! Legalize counterfeiting! If everyone can print their own money like the government monopoly does, the economy problems will be over! No more poverty, think of it!
Posted by: Stymee | October 26, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Before ignorant right-wingers from the Drudge Report slam marijuana and liberals, do some real research. A) Marijuana is not physically addictive. B) Studies show that pot IS a demotivator for teens but not for adults over the age of 22. C) Studies show that teens can more easily get Marijuana than adults – thank the Black Market. D) Regular Marijuana use does not cause lasting physical harm. E) Marijuana DOES help people with diseases and disorders. (ie. AIDS, Cancer, ADHD, etc.) I can go on and on…
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
It will be legalized. No question about that.
Y’all can thank me later when I’m a hobo in need of a bowl.
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 26, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am
To Loath_GOP
“How can anyone suggest this. “Times are changing”..seriously. Just because people like to do it does not mean we should promote it and legalize it. Where would this end…..where? People like crack cocaine…tax it….people like walking nude in the city..tax it and get a permit. It would never stop.”
Like alcohol, tax it. The most dangerous drugs in the world are taxed and legal now. 1. Tobacco, and 2. Alcohol. These are killers, cannabis is not a killer.
Posted by: dave | October 26, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
For all the commentators who are opposed to legalization of marijuana, my first question to you is do you smoke cigarettes or drink any kind of alcohol. If yes, my next question to you is why do something so harmful to your body and system and be opposed to something less harmful than either cigarettes or alcohol. Have you ever heard of anyone dying, or over dosing on marijuana. No, never. Cigarettes alone kill 450 K in America last year, Alcohol killed about 240K in America last year. Marijuana, 0, in fact marijuana has never been directly responsible for anyone’s death in the 5000 years humans have been using it. Legalize it now, take the crime away from the users, deflate the price, tax the sales and make America a better place.
Posted by: Atlas Shrugged | October 26, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Great Idea!!
How about if we tax child porn too?
If you try making the argument about how pot doesn’t harm kids like porn does, that doesn’t fly. A lot more kids are exposed to pot-smoking, lead-head parents that would rather smoke pot than get a real job.
I know many instances where a pot smoking absentee parent would rather spend his money on pot than pay child support.
Some could say that alcohol does the same thing, or cigarettes for that matter. Go ahead, outlaw them. Oh, thats right, its not about what is right or wrong, it is about tax revenue. In the case of marijuana, you have the alignment of two groups. A small group of pot smokers that are a minority of the general population and those that want to raise tax revenue for any cause. A perfect storm that will create a huge mistake.
Posted by: theidel | October 26, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
The government will over tax Marijuana so much that the black market will thrive in spite of everything and deny the government the greedy revenue. Our politicians are unable to do what is right, that is reduce taxes while reducing the amount of social welfare to get our country going again. This is all a prime example of Party politics over what is right.
Posted by: pipian | October 26, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
The founders were hemp farmers!! Most people are too dumb to realize this though…
Posted by: Kevbo | October 26, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
“I know many instances where a pot smoking absentee parent would rather spend his money on pot than pay child support.”
I don’t have any kids. So keep your big government love out of my life.
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 26, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am
“Marijuana is a gateway drug, period.”
The Federal government did a study in 1999, your dead wrong. They found cigarettes and alcohol to be much more likely to be a gateway drug. But go ahead and spout of all your distortions, this isn’t the 1950′s anymore people don’t buy the reefer madness BS anymore.
Posted by: EROCK | October 26, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
It’s pretty much already legal in places like Colorado anyway. My step son has a presciption and has easy access to pot. May as well legalize it and let anyone in jail purely in there for pot of any quantity out and save money.
Posted by: Stu | October 26, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Go ahead and legalize pot, but that still doesn’t mean that we can afford nationalized healthcare.
Podesta is a idiot and government option believers are basic math failures. People act like there is this pie of money that two sides are fighting over when the reality is, THERE IS NO PIE at all, just an empty plate.
We’re broke and Washington is filled with idiots who are being followed by idiots. And none of them have enough money to pay for the check that their mouths write.
Posted by: JR | October 26, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
“ChrisM. I had hoped that would be the case. But when the user base is expanded it creates issues just as bad or worse than the original problem. The people that are in prison have a life style that is toxic to a civilized society.-TX_MBell ”
Apparently you are unaware that marijuana and hemp have been major textiles produced here in the US for the MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY’S EXISTENCE!!! Did you know that? From the 1500′s on, industrial hemp was one of the primary textiles here! As a matter of fact, the term “Legal Tender” comes from a clause that allowed US citizens to pay their taxes in HEMP!!!
Next time you want to disparage the ill effects of marijuana, just remember that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were most likely drafted and written by very stoned authors (btw, both documents were written on HEMP!!!)! With these facts in mind, imagine how far we could go if we were to re-legalize it!
-Oz
Posted by: Ozlanthos | October 26, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
“RE YOU SERIOUS? You must have bought some cheap crap (pot) cause if you smoke some good weed it will definitely affect your driving! Your reflexes are slower and you think it is funny to drive the wrong way on a one way street! I speak from experience! DWI IS DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED>>Regardless of the drug! DUI Driving under the influence!”
Yeah but when you got that good weed, you’re all like “Why drive? This tv show is funny.”
Get a better argument.
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 26, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Profile: 59 1/2 yr old
Fundemental born again Christian
Father of more that 5
Employed
Registered Republican
Bourbon, wine beer drinker (non-pot smoker)
There are no logically consistent arguments against the legalization of “marygewana” if tobacco and alcohol are legally available mind altering substances. The amount of federal, state and local resources consumed in the attempt to control personal behavior of this sort is depressing. Weed is not a gateway drug (Reefer MAdness not withstanding, there is no statistically valid evidence of this presumption.
I hate the thought of the government taxing one more thing but I would rather see the controlled sale and taxation of marijuana than the continued destruction of ives and of our social order by the current pattern of drug enforcement.
Not a sermon, just a thought.
Posted by: YANKEE | October 26, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Hey Podesta,
I can see why you’re so into “Sickcarelessness”; someone has to pay for your “cocktails”, right?
How about taxing Obama-loving supporters? Tax the filthy rich “Entertainment” liberals who fall at your feet. This, of course, includes the fawning “journalists” of the DNC/Media complex who are constantly propping you up by toeing your political agenda line.
Yes, impose a 99% tax on all the wealth of anyone who donated to your political campaigns and members of left-wing politcal organizations that back you.
That’ll be a good start…
Posted by: TaxObamaLovers | October 26, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
I don’t care what anyone says; the US is not winning the war on dope. The budget for the ATF has quad-druppled in the last 25 years.
Legalize marijuana for home-growers and be done with it.
Let’s face it, if Obama is gona force Socialism down our throats at least let us get stoned.
Posted by: Ratt | October 26, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
The only reason they are discussing legalization is they are out of money. I am a Conservative Regan Republican, however, in this arena, I am Libratarian. I personally dont like the stuff, but if you want to smoke it, it is a victimless crime, so there is no crime. But it shouldnt be legalized just to justify paying for turning our country communist like the health care “Liberty Stealing” bill will do.
Posted by: A. Patriot | October 26, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Studies show that teens can more easily get Marijuana than alcohol. What does that say? The “illegal” substance is easier for teens to get then the “regulated” substance. How does this happen? Kids selling to kids. Imagine if young drug dealers would be run out of business? They would have to get real jobs and be productive in school. How can we be positive that the Marijuana black market would be shut down? Look at alcohol. You don’t buy alcohol out of a car trunk.
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
If pot were legal, cotton would disappear from the market, because it is inferior to hemp products. All stomach remedies also would be obsolete.
Hemp oil would replace our fuel oils, and no more disgusting paper mills would exist (paper is made with water oonly with hemp, no chemicals). No trees would be cut down, either.
None of these industries lobbies will llet hemp be legalized, it has nothing to do with safety.
Ron
Posted by: Ron Reale | October 26, 2009, 11:41 am 11:41 am
This “Tax Pot” issue is always such an ignorant statement.
That will Not generate any Tax income, it will only legalize possession.
When it becomes a Taxable product it will be legal to possess it, that’s the only threat keeping people from harvesting their own free non-taxable product.
Posted by: Maxwells | October 26, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am
I totally think Pot should be a prescription drug sold at CVS or Walgreens.
They have Morphine, Darvon and many other drugs already much worse than Pot.
It would be a great addition to anti-depressants and pain killers and the drug cartels would go out of business if it was legal.
Posted by: MJP | October 26, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Of course you pot-heads are for it. haha. Blaze up, dudes.
Posted by: johnny griswold | October 26, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am
LOL. I’m for legalizing it, but it won’t solve a thing. We all know that if it is legalized it will be over-priced and inferior to what’s available on the ‘black market’. Plus everyone will just grow their own stuff. Duh.
Posted by: Sean P Conlon | October 26, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
TruthnMichigan writes: “Just because people like to do it does not mean we should promote it and legalize it. Where would this end…..where? … It would never stop.”
Try this: Just because people DON’T like to do it does not mean we should RESRICT it and PENALIZE it. Where would this end…where? … It would never stop.
Posted by: Sven | October 26, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
It’s a lot easier to conceal and consume a joint than a 6-pack, if people thing alcohol related accidents are bad now, just wait.
Posted by: Maxwells | October 26, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
I would argue that Marijuana is a feasible product to tax. Sure you may have a few home growers, just like you have a few home brewers. But the vast majority of people would buy it legally. How many people that drink alcohol make it themselves? Very few… The vast majority buy alcohol legally, and this is why teens have a harder time buying alcohol.
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
They call it weed for a reason. There will be no tax revenue until they ban seeds.
Posted by: Rick Brad | October 26, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Make pot legal and tax Doritos to high heaven!
Yes people….get the munchies off of pot and pay the price in higher “chip”tax!
Damn I am brilliant…..
Posted by: Rick | October 26, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Brewing your own beverage takes time, energy, raw material and packaging.
Growing your own weed is as easy as sitting around and watching the grass grow.
Posted by: Maxwells | October 26, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
I see no downside to legalizing pot and I’m a conservative. As long as we allow alcohol and tobacco to be ‘legal’ drugs then there is no reason to make a drug that doesn’t even approach 1% of the danger of either of our legal recreational drugs. 0 people have died of an overdose from marijuana. You may be able to make the carcinogenic arguement, but it still would not come close to the status of tobacco in that ball park, as the amounts smoked would be far less in total quantity when it comes to pot. Billions of course would be saved in the so called ‘war on drugs’ and there would be no need to fill our court system or our jails with people just for using or selling small amounts of it. You would destroy the black market and create thousands if not millions of new jobs. Not just in growing and selling but you’d also need packaging plants advertising and a host of other ‘normal’ jobs to make the new industry work. Time to end the hypocracy behind having this drug illegal. Either make all recreational drugs illegal or do the right thing and make pot legal too.
Posted by: Bruce Smith | October 26, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Most of the folks that are against legalization here are either out of touch with reality or completely misinformed about pot and it’s effects. People have been smoking pot since, well since there’s been people. Most of today’s movies and pop culture is THC (at least) inspired or influenced. It’s illegal yes, but it still happens. I haven’t touched the stuff in years, but I miss the hell out of it. Some of my most creative (and highly regarded) work has been done under the influence.
Some people are still stuck in the 50′s.
Legalize it.
Tax it (I’d just grow my own though)
De-mystify it.
Posted by: RpblicnForLegalization | October 26, 2009, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Pot may be relatively harmless, but to legalize it would be a mistake. It leads to the use of more harmful drugs because the user becomes more aclimated to it and looks for a more potent buzz. With this administrations obvious admiration for the drug, and the POTUS lack of experience it is now obvious why this bunch keeps making “cloudy” decisions.
Posted by: Skynyrt | October 26, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Go head legalize marijuana(Dope). Makes for less competition in America. However, bad for America as a whole. One more step towards a banana republic.
Posted by: lawrencemac | October 26, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
The Socio-Coms like Podesta and the rest of the democrat party would love for pot to be legalized. Over half of the country were brain-dead already during the last election and fell for this hope and change slogan without even asking or knowing what hope and change would be. Legalizing pot would just create more of these appathetic sheep that would run to the polls and vote democrat. And then in addition to democrats telling the pro choice crowd that Republicans want to take away their precious right to kill, they would be telling all the newly created dope-heads that Republicans want to take your weed away. Thanks to an American public that picked a president using the same criteria that they would to choose the winner of American Idol, and to a sycophantic media who were too afraid of being called racists to do any real investigative reporting, we now have a communist in the white house that is bent on destroying the dollar so he can hand this country over to the world in the name of paying off our debt. He also has this idea that the rest of the world will want him to be president of the world once the one world communist government is established by the signing of the U.N. climate change treaty. You people have absolutely no idea want you have done! I also think that Bush should have been impeached for signing the first stimulus package and for the amnesty bill that him and McCain tried to sneak into law. Jobs that Americans just won’t do my ass! There are all kinds of teenagers and non skilled people on wellfare that could be doing these jobs. And now, our current Dear Leader has tripled the debt that Bush left him with, un-employment is at 10%, for the first time in 30 years there will be no cost of living increase for social security, and he plans to rob medicare in order to pay for this new health care scam. How is that Hope and Change working out for you?
Regards,
Tony
Posted by: Common Sense Czar | October 26, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
@ Maxwells
Making “good” Marijuana takes more then throwing seeds into a backyard and letting it grow. Moonshine is to hemp as aged bourbon is to high-quality Marijuana. I assure you, the vast majority of Americans are lazy and would rather pay the extra money to have it now.
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Pot, not even legalized and the “Progressives” (that’s liberals/Marxists) are already proposing a tax.. See?? Same ol’, same ol’. Podesta scares the hell out of me. Reminds me of Joseph Goebbells, Hitler’s propaganda minister, especially his “Center for American Progress”. Funny, isn’t it? Progress/”progressives”. Don’t trust this guy.
Posted by: PATS | October 26, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
@ Posted by: TX_MBell | The taxes they are going to be generating are going to be from people that are already buying off the street. Just now people would be taxed for it and the gov would get their cut. Its not like this stuff is around and nobody buys it at all and when it becomes legal everybody is suddenly buying……The market is already there and so are the consumers along with the funds to purchase it with, it just isnt currently being taxed.
Posted by: Kulnurayne | October 26, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
and to Jason M who states “you don’t see stoners at AA meetings”….Jason has never been to an AA meeting, 95% of AA members have marijuana in their experience…I have attended approximately 4,000 AA meetings/conventions in several states and can tell you that marijuana and alcohol are at the begining of every story!!!!!
Posted by: commonsense58 | October 26, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
If you legalized drugs and the government sold it for free + a huge tax, it would still cost a fraction of current street prices. If you did this, you would:
1. Put drug dealers (and drug exporters — Mexico, Colombia and Afghanistan)out of business.
2. Save hundreds of millions in law enforcement costs.
3. Collect hundreds of millions in taxes from growers who sold to the government (they’ll be paying taxes they didn’t pay before.
4. Eventually, regulate the sale of drugs the same way we regulate the sale of alcoholic beverages and cigarettes.
We learned this lesson during prohibition, didn’t we? Outlawing drugs hasn’t worked in any way, shape or form. It’s time to acknowledge that fact.
The massive volume of cash that is being shoveled into the pockets of criminals and towards unsuccesful law enforcement efforts is madness.
Posted by: SteveC | October 26, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Marijuana does not kill… only stoned drivers do.
Posted by: Maxwells | October 26, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
What would be the “legal limit” of driving while under the influence of THC? It’s bad enough that we have drunk drivers, now we’d have deal with the double whammy of stoners, too.
Posted by: MikeinFXBG | October 26, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
It would make much more sense to re-instate the poll tax. Should people
on welfare be allowed to vote
themselves more welfare (sell their vote).
Posted by: Jack Kinch(1uncle) | October 26, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Wow! The potheads now have something to be enthusiastic about. Why does anyone need this crap? The govt is just thinking about taxes and any way to get money – they’re just planning to add pot users to the tax base like alcohol & cigarettes. They don’t care about your permanent brain cell alterations. I don’t want to work with alcoholics, smokers or potheads, period.
Posted by: Dave in Ohio | October 26, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Like wow, man.
Posted by: Astatist | October 26, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
I was in a legalization march in the 1970′s and now today my reasons to support legalizing it are a lot smarter then just for personal gain. It would help the nation because less (much less, hopefully) Americans would associate themselves with an underworld class. This underworld class of dealers has access to other more harmful drugs so less people would make the leap to cocaine if they had easy legal access to pot. Plus you will recoup the tax revenue and create a new farming industry in America, NUFF SAID, LETS DO IT MR POTUS! PS I’m a Conservative and I don’t vote Democrat and I support this.
Posted by: Josh In Faheel | October 26, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
TX_MBell:
It should go without saying, but human trafficking and pot are like apples and oranges.
The possibility of weed being legalized is on the table because many people don’t think it should be illegal in the first place. It’s not just about making money off it – it’s about the plant not being restricted in the first place.
Trading people, on the other hand, is wrong in the eyes of most people, regardless of the money, and it would never be legalized. Do you honestly think that legalizing marijuana would society down a spiral of crime like that?
Posted by: WOMP | October 26, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
who would pay taxes rather than grow their own if it was legal?
legalize it or not on the merits of the arguments, but leave the taxes out
Posted by: joe in tn | October 26, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
I see on many people here feel that if we legalize pot then we may eventually legalize heroin, crack, etc. be aware that that is a slippery-slope argument and thus a fallacy in reasoning. when the alcohol prohibition was repealed, why did we not legalize other “drugs” of the time like opium? Assuming that all these things will happen due to one single of event is ignorance. Legalizing pot WILL kill the black market and the violence associated with it. Now that alcohol is legal, do you often buy beer or liquor from gang members or illegal “alcohol dealers”? That would be silly. According to my physician, alcohol is far worse for the body than is pot and and the effects of pot would be nearly nonexistent if it were not smoked. We need to start having real conversations about legalizing a substance that is far less dangerous to the body than alcohol and even nicotine.
Posted by: ratliff1218 | October 26, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Looking through this blog, a lot of conservatives are afraid of moral decay and expansion of the user base. I’ve got news for you, anywhere you go in America you can buy pot, its deeply inside of the American psyche. It’s not going away, you will not make any situation worse in any urban environment then it is now and you
can at least say you are getting back some of your welfare subsidy tax dollars back in legal tax revenue and keeping a large segment of America away from underworld dealers that also offer crack cocaine as a product. Plus you free up the police to focuse more on busting harder drugs, open your minds you know legalizing it wont worsen the inner city situation from the crap it is now.
Posted by: Josh In Faheel | October 26, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Tax it and the black-market will become even more lucrative. What pothead is going to want to pay tax on the weed they smoke? The ATF will be adding more agents or they will add another branch of government to control the market. So much for the tax revenue this move MIGHT generate.
Posted by: DaveJ | October 26, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
User Comments?
Yeah, I’m a user. A bike messenger from Chicago came up with that idea about taxing pot, like, 20 years ago, dude.
Posted by: R.M. | October 26, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Why is it anti-tobacco people always seem to be pro-marijuana? I am allergic to pot smoke. Plus, you can always tell who’s a toker: they think their logic makes sense when it doesn’t, i.e. the posts on here that want it legalized. Obviously it DOES kill brain cells!
Posted by: Terry | October 26, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Leagalize it and get over all the negative hype. the weed is good and good for you. It is about time this country grows up! Weed versus wisky…whats gonna kill u first? Duh!
Posted by: John Rodler | October 26, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Hey TruthinMichigan, don’t blame this on any one group, like Republicans. Carter and Clinton could have done something. Lets face it, Federal politicians are on the take by drug cartels and allow this to happen. Why do you think the border is wide open?? Educate yourself instead of being duped by the system. Just because a liberal or Marxist tells you something does not make it so. FREE YOR MIND! Toss out the crap the public education system filled your head with. Pot and other drugs are illegal because Lawyers make millions.
Posted by: Les Ismore | October 26, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
I have relatives who work in abused and neglected children.
The biggest cause of child neglect and abuse is addiction.
We should be demanding an end to the wink and nod approach to drugs, child exploitation/abuse, spouse abuse and various obscene activities.
Any attempt to “increase revenue” by taxing pot would not yield enough money to pay for the extra children services personnel needed to clean up after the damage done by those too addicted to be responsible for themselves.
Posted by: KarlQ | October 26, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
commonsense58, It has been studied in depth for 40 years and not just by the federal government and has never been proven to exist. Every country that has lax pot laws enjoy LOWER usage of pot and other drugs. Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001 and they enjoy less crime and addiction. The medical marijuana states have LESS usage among youth. 100 million Americans have smoked pot, if it is such a gateway drug, then where are all the hard drug addicts. You sound like you profit from Prohibition, let me guess your a Substance Abuse counselor or you work for the Drug testing industry or maybe a big Pharma company.
Posted by: EROCK | October 26, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Why is it that normally intelligent people suffer so greatly from ignorance when it comes to issues like this?
Let’s address some of the ignorance:
1. You are unlikely to get much in taxes when people are already growing and selling pot on the black market and you can grow it in your closet, backyard, or garage. Why pay taxes when there is no processing involved?
2. You won’t be able to smoke pot and hold down certain jobs because THC stays in your system and affects you longer than alcohol. This gives your employer a legal right to fire you if you show up under the influence.
3. Pot smoke is more harmful than cigarette smoke to your lungs (even if you discount the fact that people ‘hold it in’ for more effect). You will be surprised at the number of people that will object to your second-hand pot smoke and will come after you for harming your kids.
4. If you think cell phones are bad, wait until the roads are full of stoned drivers. Once it is legal to smoke it, they will push to minimize punishment while they increase traffic accidents and deaths.
Posted by: Pat | October 26, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
The prohibition crowd of the 18th Amendment knew that the government could only make something illegal if the Constitution was amended. What makes pot or any other drug different? The Feds have no constitutional authority to outlaw any drug–it is the right of each Sovereign State to make that decision on their own.
Posted by: Mark | October 26, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
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Read any of Soros’s books if you want to know what is in store for the U.S. – ONLY PUT Soros’s name in the places that accommodate instigation & Manupulation by outside forces. – This CLOWN is the source of all that is BAD of r America !!!
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Posted by: Patrick Henry | October 26, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Want to make addictive materials available? I’ll go along with that so long as the addicted are locked up to protect themselves from themselves and protect the rest of us and their children from them while “high”.
Give it to them free…. in prison.
The damage they do to society is greater than the cost of maintaining them in an asylum for the “drugged useless”.
Posted by: KarlQ | October 26, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
I have a REALLY exciting idea. Instead of trying odd-strawmen on a weekly basis that we can say “should be taxed for Americans’ healthcare” and end up with a Byzantine and complex list of feel-good sin taxes, why don’t we focus the effort of this immense distraction on people paying for the health services that they use?
Has anyone thought of that, or is this entire thing an excercise in political flunkies trying to demonstrate their generosity with the population’s savings and patience?
Posted by: Joe Noory | October 26, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Legalize it. There is no debate to be had against not legalizing it. Simply no reason at all that we have people killing themselves on tobacco and liquor when weed has never cause a single death.
It’s my body and its my right to live my life the way I want. The way it is now I’m told I don’t get that choice and my hard earned money is taken away from me in order to pay for enforcement and to lock up non-violent members of society.
If anything, that is what should be made illegal.
Posted by: BlutStein42 | October 26, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
I’d rather toke up than drink to be honest. i lost a brother to drinking and driving, I’ve yet to hear a person die from smoking and driving.Alcohol and marijuana are to different animals, it’s like trying to compare apples and ornages. Why do people think if we plan to legalize MJ it will allow other drugs to be legal. I for one DO NOT want cocaine, crack , meth etc to be legalized just MJ. Alcohol is a more dangerous drug yet it sold at every corner.
Posted by: Rick | October 26, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Times are changing…
A new horizon has begun…
legalizing drugs…
Letting go of criminal due to the inability to pay for them…
(Wondering whats next)….
Posted by: Mark | October 26, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
When a drug user like George Soros pays your light bill these silly ideas come out.
Posted by: TinCup | October 26, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
If it is legalized it would have to have similar laws like alcohol. No driving under the influence type laws because it does effect the mind enough for it to be dangerous while operating a vehicle, i.e. decreased depth perception etc.
Posted by: Matt | October 26, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Legalize it, don’t criticize it!
i would like to see a vote taken to see who actually supports this, you would be surprised the number of americans (not all smokers) that would approve of such a thing.
drinking is about 1000 times worse, at least weed doesnt leave workers with debilitating hangovers
Posted by: LinnieX | October 26, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
@ Pat
1. Americans are lazy. They would buy it legally just like alcohol.
2. Companies would no longer come after employees that smoke on their own time.
3. Pot smoke is more harmful than cigarettes because it isn’t filtered. However, potheads do NOT smoke 20 joints a day like a cigarette smoker. Also, anti-smoking laws SHOULD be enforced. (ie. smoking cigarettes or pot in a closed environment with others)
4. They have a “Roadside Sobriety Tests” for a reason. Legalizing it will not cause an increase of Marijuana DUIs. Especially if silly ads trying to prevent Marijuana use went toward DUI awareness ads.
Posted by: redrum | October 26, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Mikhael – The money comes from the regular user not the guy standing in line trying to figure out if he wants a drag or a drink. Billions are being spent on it and us as users want the money to go back into the goverment (health) instead of the druig dealers. Yet all the conservatives want to keep them out. It’s a harmless drug..if you don’t believe me try it.it relaxes a person in a posistive way instead of getting angry or sad.
Posted by: Rick | October 26, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Just another thing for the gov’t to mess up.
Posted by: Mary | October 26, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
I agree that marijuana should be legalized. Putting people into the criminal justice system for smoking a joint is insane. My question is why do we have to tax the foxtrot out of everything? Just legalize it and leave people alone. Quit trying to steal peoples money.
Posted by: Tom Langley | October 26, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Republican or Democrat it shouldn’t matter. If you believe in Freedom, and the Freedom of Choice. This should be legal without question. It is a plant. I can see why cocaine should stay illegal, as you don’t just pick it dry it and smoke it, ie tobacco.
If anything, alcohol should be illegal, it’s a poison.
Posted by: SubjectoftheUSSA | October 26, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Know what I like most about the ‘legalize it’ debate? It’s that I can never honestly tell who’s on the right and who’s on the left. I love that.
Un-illegalize it.
Posted by: JD | October 26, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
I’m not a pot user and probably won’t become one. I’ve seen too many unmotivated pot users whose sole purpose in life is to replinish their stash and get high. However, I agree that legalization will remove the criminal element, free a lot of people from jail, and bring in tax revenue. Just keep the government price and quality a couple of notches above the street price and quality.
Posted by: Jimbo | October 26, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
I’m a Christian who sides more with the GOP than the dems and I favor legalizing pot. Why? Because the War on Drugs is a colossal waste of money and is nothing more than a jobs and property confiscation program.
Legalize it and tax it. However, if these idiots think they can impose inordinately high taxes on it then the cartels will undercut the government and nothing will have been accomplished. Like alcohol, it has to be made a convenience item for those who desire it. Like alcohol, there should be no penalty for “growing your own” in limited quantities.
Posted by: Robb | October 26, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
This is funny. I sell cigarettes for a living. A few weeks ago they outlawed certain types. Now they talk about legalizing dope. What a screwed up government in these United States of America.
Posted by: Will | October 26, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
There is nothin wrong with pot. Name 1 person that has died of it. I can name a huge amount that have died of either drinking too much or killing others while drunk. PERIOD
Posted by: Kevin | October 26, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Potheads are your doctors, dentists, professors, policemen, bosses, politicians, scientists, pro-athletes, president and well lets just stop there and agree we can prove that pot heads are not losers. Barak Obama proves the point. And I’ll say Conservative get the best weed.
Posted by: Donna | October 26, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
“I’m for legalizing it, but it won’t solve a thing. We all know that if it is legalized it will be over-priced and inferior to what’s available on the ‘black market’.”
Really? What makes you say that? That’s exactly NOT how Alcohol’s Prohibition repeal went. In fact, most Americans are fairly lazy, and don’t want to brew their own (some do, home brew kits are available on the internet), but most like consistent, easy, buy-it-in-the-store packaging. Less work, the American way!
Believe me, the VAST majority of canabis aficionados are dying to BUY AMERICAN, but it’s so much easier for Americans to be caught, so we HAVE to buy foreign. Stop vilifying our farmers, and tax the crap out of it!
After FORTY YEARS of failure, when will the DEA admit it’s futility? NEVER!
Posted by: Fred Evil | October 26, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
potheads get excited at the thought of legalization, but they don’t realize the government will tax your precious weed so high you won’t be able to afford it anymore.
Posted by: a highly taxed cigarette smoker | October 26, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Leave my weed alone! If the government gets involved they will want to regulate the quality and tax it until the cost increases 5 times, the feds screw up everything they touch! I want to get high, not go broke!
Posted by: Darrell | October 26, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
if the do legalize it. i want my weed back the cops took from me.
Posted by: yahwehsedek | October 26, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Hey, I think pot should be legal too, but those here who think a bunch of pot heads are going to pay for your health care have been smoking too much it.
I see no reason why this drug should be illegal, and I also see no reason why the Government should tax it. This is NOT a good argument to legalization. Pot should be legal and if taxed, taxed the same as any other medication or herb.
We tax alcohol and cigarettes to death and are no closer to solving our spending woes. Legalize pot? Yes. Will it magically solve our money problems? Only spending less will.
Posted by: Jeff | October 26, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
The government will never legalize it because it would put half the Prison Guards, Lawyers, Prosecutors, and Judges out of work. They would have to go get honest jobs, so it will never happen.
Posted by: John | October 26, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
not one of you have mentioned the fact that the Federal Government will TAX you for something that you pay no taxes on now and are able to get relatively easy. Why do you want the feds involved in your pot smoking??????
Posted by: 12RUGER | October 26, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Of course it should be legal. We spend billions a year on the ‘War on Drugs’, have since the 70′s and drug use is up. We have put so many decent people in jail for possession. It’s nonsense and always has been.
Posted by: jose wasabi | October 26, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
THREE important facts people seem to be ignorant about or completely overlook:
Jane is NOT:
Addictive
Mind Altering
Cancer Causing
That’s right! IT IS NOT EVEN CANCER CAUSING. Google for the study done by some of th eUS’s most prominent hospitals and you’ll find it. The study was actually lead by the doctor who determined that cigarettes caused cancer.. He got a big surprise when he studies Jane!
Posted by: Scotty | October 26, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Drugs are not new. Only drug control is new. Societies managed fine for six thousand years before drug laws. The FDA, DEA, and doctor’s prescriptions were all invented not to protect people from themselves or society but to wrest control away from states and give power to Federal govt. The Fed licenses doctors to give scripts and requires scripts for all scheduled drugs. Prison costs, judicial costs, and health costs are almost entirely drug related. Not only should pot be legal for a free people, but all drugs including antibiotics and narcotics should be just as uncontrolled as herbs. Illegal to drive yes, illegal to beat your wife or starve your kids yes. If your drug problem makes you homeless; that is your problem. Fact is, just like alcohol, most people could manage use or addiction without becoming anti- social. They did just fine prior to the twentieth century. The FDA labeling and prescription laws resulted from 50 percent morphine containing elixirs making addicts of middle class women without their knowledge. Even those women managed fine. They certainly did not need to be jailed and have all their assets seized.
Posted by: will g | October 26, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
I am a Christian and think drugs should be legal. Morality should be up to the individual and their conscience NOT what the government tells you. Alcohol is legal, but used to NOT be legal. Did they not learn from that???
Jesus turned water into WINE at a wedding party. If God himself has no problem with doing some sort of drug ( alcohol IS a drug) then what business does the government have to make it illegal?
ANd yes, tax it and pay for health care! BUT, the pharmaceutical companies contribute too much money to the politicians….greed is a sin
Posted by: Anny | October 26, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
It is not safe for the rest of us who don’t smoke it. This statement goes for alcohol and other drugs as well. My right to live in a safe and secure environment out weighs your right to live in dreamland for an hour. If you were to smoke that crap inside your own home (and not in your back or front yard where I would have to smell it) and do it away from kids, and stay inside so I am not subject to your loud music and girly screams of euphoria that is one thing as I personally don’t give a rat’s ass what one does in the privacy of their own home. But this would not be the case, I can see idiots in the neighborhood park smoking, kid’s walking by wanting to try it and society going to hell. I guess this country will not survive itself. A country where men can “marry” one another and RAP and not the classics are appreciated, a country that prosecutes the very people charged with protecting keeping it safe. A country hated by it’s own president. Now I know why we don’t live forever, who would want to.
Posted by: commonsense58 | October 26, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
These are gonna be the GREEN JOBS that Obama has been talking about all along!
Posted by: Dave in Buff | October 26, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Pot will never, ever be legalized. Why? Because you can grow it yourself. How do you tax that? If the government can not make money like they do with tobacco it will not allow the legalization. Nice try everyone, but it will never happen.
Posted by: David | October 26, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Here is a list of things once illegal that are now legal.
1 Alcahol, discountig the obvious detrimental effects of alcahol, the country has not fallen appart, the opposite is the case.
2. The numbers (lottery). In my youth before the lottery I knew many people involved in the Numbers racket. They were all what you would call mobsters. Nice guys unless you owed them $$$. They would give credit to folks who should not get it just to lock them in. When the gov. took over the numbers racket they were for the most part put out of business.
3. casino gambling in certain states. While I’m not a fan of casino gambling it has not completely ruined the places where it is legal.
All these things have their bad sides, but legalizing them had one common element. It took the business away from organized crime. Any time we can do this we make out lives and out country safer!
Narcotics and other drugs are illegal because they have proven dangerous properties. None of which can be proven in Marijuana when done by a credible, non-government funded, study.
Posted by: Clifra Jones | October 26, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Think this through, potheads! If they legalized marijuana, people would just grow it in their yards and not pay taxes on it at all. So the government would have to regulate the cultivation and distribution. Pot would be more expensive than it is now. You’d all have to go out and get jobs!!
Posted by: Robert | October 26, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
no country has really legalized Marijuana. HEAVY USERS BECOME SEVERELY DEMENTED. Pot, as the drug croud refer to it, fries the brain. If you do not think so, try having a sensible conversation with a heavy pot user.
If we outlaw liquor again, we will revert to the Gangaters taking over the business once again, as the now control the sale odf drugs. Ned Fogler
Posted by: ned fogler | October 26, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Think about the countries where drugs are produced. Do they have huge social problems from drug use. NO. Only countries with strict drug laws have a drug problem. Are the afghans a bunch of addicts NO they grow huge poppy fields but that does not lead them to abuse drugs. Are the oaxican Mexicans having drug problems NO they grow and use all kinds of hallucinogens including mushrooms, salvia, DMT, LSA, yet there is no drug addiction problem among them. HMMM It seems drug problems come from drug laws. Labeling Good; Govt Bad
Posted by: will g | October 26, 2009, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Listen, we have to keep jailing all of these pot criminals on both ends–the suppliers and well as the users. With unemployment at near 10% and probably passing that mark soon we just don’t have the jobs for all of these “criminals” so just keep jailing them.
Posted by: RufusVonDufus | October 26, 2009, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Well, it makes sense to tax and legalize marijuana for the consumption of the Obamabots.
The Kool-aide isn’t quite doing the job of thought control like it once did, and it is time for Obama & Co. to get their fawning fans hooked onto something a little stronger.
Posted by: littleleers | October 26, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Hemp/pot is one of the easiest plants to grow and requires very little effort or attention to propagate and cultivate, costing nearly nothing to grow or process and sold at a dollar amount that rivals today’s gold prices. It could easily become a fiscal savior to any states economy, should they finally accept its use and role in today’s society.
It was readily grown throughout the US in the last century for textiles, rope, chick feed and as part of crop rotation to revitalize the soil on many farms, including my family farm.
The reason for it becoming illegal to begin with, was simply a political motivation. Probably had more to do with paper manufacturing than conflicts with any alcohol distilleries.
Posted by: Eagan Thorn | October 26, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Speaking of God. God created all plants and said that it was GOOD. He is not so stupid that He did not know that plants contain all kinds of pleasure producing compounds. Drug use good; drug abuse bad. It is sin nature that leads to overuse. Overuse is bad but I must, as a Christian, believe that God created drugs for use by man. Lets face it, life is hard, Some drug use helps take the edge off. Some types of drugs such as pot and hallucinogens cause you to contemplate God. Christian women are on anti anxiety medicines cause they think that legal drugs are OK. In some cases there are more suitable illegal drugs to relax and it is a shame that they are illegal.
Posted by: will g | October 26, 2009, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Those of you who are advocating legalization of pot by relating it to alcohol are wasted in the truest sense. Here’s the difference (as first pointed out by Sgt. Joe Friday on Dragnet, BTW): 99% of people who have a drink do not do so to get drunk. They do it as a social custom or just to have a drink. 100% of people who smoke a joint do so to get stoned. (I’m an authority on this, BTW!) The result is a bunch of wasted people, wasted minds and wasted potential. THAT is why pot should remain illegal. The costs to society and the destruction of lives is much too great. Unfortunately, in Obama’s America, people don’t think, they just respond to slogans like “hope” and “change”.
Posted by: gary0033 | October 26, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
LOL @ the fools who think pot is illegal because the government (or Republican Christians) profits from it being illegal . . . the prohibition wastes hundreds of millions in taxpayer $ every year . . . making $ definitely is not the reason it is illegal
Posted by: C D | October 26, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
This is a ridiculous argument. I can see the benefits of taxing pot, but that is about where it stops. To think that the legalization of pot would “create” jobs and revenue for the United States is ridiculous. Though, we are in the times of creating “green” jobs, so I guess this fits.
Seriously, pot has the same effects on people when driving as alcohol. To say that we should legalize pot and make driving under the influence illegal is simply ignorant, driving under the influence is already illegal, whether the influence is pot, alcohol, crack, oxy, heroin, etc.
Sure, there is a huge untaxed market, however, how willing do you think those who currently use pot are going to be to buy it “legally” and have to pay the taxes? The underground market will still exist for those who refuse to pay the taxes. If you have a habit and only have so much money to spend on that habit, why wouldn’t you buy it cheap. You can’t tell me you think the government is going to place a low tax on it.
The fact is, regardless of what happens, there will still be people getting around the legal aspect. Look at alcohol for instance. Alcohol is legal for those 21 and over, but there are still people younger than that getting alcohol and drinking.
Legalizing it would create an entirely new government entity. The “law enforcement” money that people believed could be saved by removing pot from the war on drugs, would probably be spent three times as much in regulating this new entity, so there is no cost savings.
People don’t go to jail for pot. If you get caught with pot you pay a hefty fine, see a judge on a court date and don’t spend time in jail, unless of course you get caught with a ton of it, that is a different story. But, people seem to be arguing the point of the casual pot user wasting tons of taxpayer dollars. You are wrong.
Posted by: SimplyCrazy | October 26, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Make no mistake the original drug laws came from left wing big govt democrats not from republicans. The drug war came from republicans. The fed is out of control. freedom good; big govt bad. Industry cant be trusted but govt can be trusted even less. Think about it: people go into business to get rich making products; but, they go into politics because they want power and control.
Posted by: will g | October 26, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
I used to smoke pot but quit because you can’t get a job if you have it in your system and it stays there up to 3 months. Most everything else in a UA goes away in 3 or 4 days (except a hair test or folicle test) including cocaine heroin & methamphetemine. I have always and still do believe this is a gross violation of one’s privacy. If it is leagalized I am certain it will still be an issue in finding na job.
Posted by: Michael | October 26, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
I’m just here for the buzz. Let the world burn around me. I want to be stupid and watch sports. HeeHeeHeee I found a way to not care. I am unemployed and beer cost too much. I want to grow my own. I don’t care about anything. I not getting up and voting. How much dope can I buy with my unemployment check. I’m just here for the buzz…….
Posted by: Steve | October 26, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Pot should never have been illegal in the first place. The affects of pot are less destructive by far than alcohol or tobacco. The inane cries that claim “it is a gateway drug” seldom apply the same logic to alcohol. A legal code should be consistent. Either make alcohol and tobacco illegal or legalize any lesser substance like marijuana.
Posted by: Kevin | October 26, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
The state & local governments already make big $$$ from pot use via DUI fines & penalties. How does $2800 local NJ municipality fine for a 20 year old student over a 3 year period sound? And he is not alone. I suggest you all sit in a local court someday.
That would take alot of pot to generate that much revenue vs. losing that $2800.
Mr. Podesta is not that dumb or shortsighted, therefore: He is in favor of pot USE. Let’s be honest here!
Posted by: Jim D | October 26, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
And here I thought tobacco is bad and need to be illegal (mainly from liberals) or banned. And yet they want to allow pots?
Posted by: Angie | October 26, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Jim D – Even if it were legalized, you could still get a DUI when using it – Alchohol is legal, I’ve had a DUI and paid $2,800 fine for driving drunk
Posted by: C D | October 26, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
“I know many instances where a pot smoking absentee parent would rather spend his money on pot than pay child support.”
Suuurrrrre you do. And btw people, I am 49, smoked cannabis since I was 16. I am a highly successful IT consultant with a 90k+ salary in Mich. I guess I’m just one of the lucky dull headed stoners that got lucky eh? Without cannabis, you wouldn’t have half the art or great music that you love so much
Posted by: dave | October 26, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
The user base would only slightly be expanded. Those who want to smoke weed already do. Only a few don’t do it because it is illegal. Just because something is legal doesn’t mean eveyrone will do it. For example, drinking is legal, but i don’t go to bars or even drink at home. Some people have a toxic life style, rapists and murderers. Smoking weed is not a toxic life style and to make such a judgment is way beyond for others is way beyond your right as an individual. It may be for you, but don’t judge others as toxic.
Kidnapping children has absolutely no place in this debate. Just like the toxic life styles of rape and murder do not belong either. Those are harmful to multiple parties involved, smoking a joint is a personal decision that affect no one else but the user.
It does seem that kidnappings are on the rise but to suggest that such a thing would become legal in any sense of the word is rediculous. Also, you say that the money currently being spent on drug law inforcement involving the personal consumption of Marijuana being spent rather on solving and preventing cases of kidnapping as if it were a bad thing. That money should be spent more effectively.
Posted by: TX_MBell_is_wrong | October 26, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
To take the argument even further!
At no time in the history of America has murder, rape, or kidnapping been legal. Those are practically crimes against humanity. Weed was legal until 1937.
Posted by: TX_MBell_is_wrong | October 26, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
There is no way that pot will ever be made legal. It is way too easy for anyone to grow their own weed, and it doesn’t require a lot of time and effort for processing, like alcohol and cigarettes. You just grow it and smoke it, simple as that. Therefore, most (if not all) pot smokers would simply grow their own rather than buying it at a store and paying huge taxes for it. Since the government will never be able to bring in big tax dollars for it, it will never be legalized (since they CAN make money off of people paying fines for getting caught with it, to avoid jail). It always comes down to the dollars.
The only thing that has resulted from the criminalization of pot has been a huge black market and a whole lot of decent, nonviolent people being thrown in jail. Meanwhile, murderers and rapists get released. We live in a crazy world.
Posted by: Vivian | October 26, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
LOL at this stuff below.
Why is it that normally intelligent people suffer so greatly from ignorance when it comes to issues like this?
Let’s address some of the ignorance:
1. You are unlikely to get much in taxes when people are already growing and selling pot on the black market and you can grow it in your closet, backyard, or garage. Why pay taxes when there is no processing involved?
2. You won’t be able to smoke pot and hold down certain jobs because THC stays in your system and affects you longer than alcohol. This gives your employer a legal right to fire you if you show up under the influence.
3. Pot smoke is more harmful than cigarette smoke to your lungs (even if you discount the fact that people ‘hold it in’ for more effect). You will be surprised at the number of people that will object to your second-hand pot smoke and will come after you for harming your kids.
4. If you think cell phones are bad, wait until the roads are full of stoned drivers. Once it is legal to smoke it, they will push to minimize punishment while they increase traffic accidents and deaths.
Posted by: dave | October 26, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
I think some research of facts is in order here before people start spouting off about “psychoses” and “car accidents” etc. Pot is non-addictive, studies have concluded that the ONLY negative effects on driving are a tendency to over-correct for cross winds, and the benefits of utilizing the hemp plant (fuel, paper, clothing, food, as well as medical benefits) combined with the fact that it is an INCREDIBLY renewal resource, with 3-4 harvests per year, there really should be no more debate on the subject.
Posted by: Rob | October 26, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
There is a difference bewteen legalization and decriminalization. Pot should merely be a ticketable offense, not requiring a court appearence or jail time. If an employer doesn’t want a pothead they should not have to hire one, last time I checked you can get fired for being drunk at work.
They should concentrate more resources on punishing rapists, murderers, and sex ofenders and back off the recreational pot smoker whose only real harm done is using up Internet bandwith to play his video games…
Posted by: GW | October 26, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Fair tax is another way to raise revenue for our country and bring buisnesses from all over the world to the USA. But we are not even talking about. It takes the power away from the politicians and puts it back into the hands of the people.
Posted by: bob | October 26, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
A toast to this uplifting news!
*flick* *crackle crackle* *bubble bubble bubble* *cough cough*
Posted by: Matt G. | October 26, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
The gateway drug argument is a false one. That is, it was made up after the fact. Dope was made illegal because white middle class mid westerners did not like the mexican migrant workers getting high. Pot was heavily propagandized as a vile drug causing aggressive murderous behavior. Later it was discovered to be a very mild drug leading to calm sedated behavior not aggressive sociopathic behavior. The gateway drug argument was made up as an excuse to keep it illegal once it was widely known not to be a dangerous drug
Posted by: will g | October 26, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Appears the administration has been smoking too much already.
Posted by: Bob Forsberg | October 26, 2009, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Posted by: Michael | Oct 25, 2009 2:06:06 PM I so agree with you.
Much less government is all we need.
Just keep your oath do nothing else and all will be ok with us bible, gun, and MJ users.
Posted by: Texo | October 26, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
The comments by TX_MBell are right on target.
The medical marijuana deal is a complete fraud. If people really wanted to use marijuana as a medicine it would be controlled and processed so as to control the purity and dosage, just like cocaine based pain killers.
The pot community is quick to tell you that as long as what you do does not hurt anyone then it should be legal. They forget that what you don’t do, the lack of contributing something to society hurts everyone. If you lay back in a pot induced happy stupor, yes, you are not directly hurting anyone, but you are not doing anything useful for yourself or anyone else. As shocking as it sounds we all need everyone to do something useful with their lives, create something useful, work hard. So ask not for whom we should mourn when someone drops out and lies around blissfully in a pot fog, these gutless wonders hurt us all.
Posted by: Jim | October 26, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Get a crowd of drunks and a crowd of stoners. The drunks will be fighting each other and rioting within an hour while the stoners would just stand there wondering why they were standing there, until they all went home to play X-box
Posted by: 'tis I | October 26, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
I wish all these people that want this stuff leagalized lived in my neighborhood. Across the street from me a guy grows his own and is on welfare. Some of his friends came out the other night and they were smoking his medicine and got in a fight and pulled up his plant and took off and there was fighting and a lot of wreckless driving and the police showed up. Love it.
Posted by: Gayla | October 26, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
I agree with legalization, however I disagree with the typical lib response of using the money to pay for some other entitlement. Use the money to pay down the deficit that Obama promised he was going to cut.
Posted by: Charlie | October 26, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Why stop with “pot,” legalize all drugs and let the dopers die. The RNC should agree with that plan, right?
Posted by: cj | October 26, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Do we really live in a democracy? Way more than half of Americans have supported the legalization and taxation of marijuana. Time and again, it’s been proven less dangerous than alcohol or any pharmaceutical drug. However, it’s been illegal for decades. At least now, there is a small hope that we can start spending our tax dollars on something more productive than the marijuana drug war.
Posted by: Curt | October 26, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
As far as cash cow to fund heath care, no way. Our government needs to cut spending not increase it!
Spending more we can’t afford is crazy.
Legalize it and half of the Mexican drug war will be over! I see comments of people who have no idea of what pot is and how it affects most people. You people need to pipe down and comment on things you know more about. Pot is already Multi billion dollar industry… Just about anything that can be made with petroleum or lumber etc can be made with pot! All the more reason it will never be legalized.
Posted by: domack | October 26, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
I like turtles
Posted by: Turd_Furgason | October 26, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
If you tax marijuana by making it legal, might the price be so high no one buys it and still buys the illegal marijuana still smuggled in? If it is say 400 bucks an ounce legal and 250 an ounce illegal which are you going to buy? Thing with alcohol, to produce enough you have to have a huge factory and a lot of trucks to deliver it. With marijuana, you don’t. The blackmarket won’t go away because it is legal. That is a totally erroneous argument. The drug lords will just undercut the legal government marijuana and keep on selling it. Nothing will change. The violence to control illegal marijuana may even grow too if the market tightens a bit. Just remember, most everyone of you who uses right now is contributing to the violence that occurs in supplying you your good time.
Posted by: James | October 26, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Do not let the government produce it and sell it. Legalize to the point that if you want to smoke it you can grow it for your own consumption. Open shops (creating jobs) that would sell the seeds, lights, chemicals and whatever else you may need. The government could tax the sell of those products.
Posted by: IrishWahoo | October 26, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Ok smartie smarterson Pat,
“1. You are unlikely to get much in taxes when people are already…”
You can grow vegetables at home, but do you? You could raise chickens even in an apartment but do you?
“2. You won’t be able to smoke pot and hold down certain jobs because THC stays…”
Why you so concerned with where I want to work? Some businesses, where legal, have owners who smoke cigs and let you too. Let me decide where I want to work, ok?
“3. Pot smoke is more harmful than cigarette smoke to your lungs (even…”
Why you all up in my lungs? You’ve definitely advocated for a ban on cars and their pollution, right? Because you care so much about my lungs. Keep your mind off my lungs, pervert.
“4. If you think cell phones are bad, wait until the roads are full of stoned drivers…”
Psst, they already exist. I know, right? Now, let me finish this comment before my exit comes up. Oops, there it is, time to make a hard right!
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 26, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
It’s really about time we’ve come around to the libertarian way of thinking regarding the drug war. Time to legalize and tax, although usually anything the Govt gets involved in, the quality goes way down!;-)
Posted by: Frank | October 26, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
A wise man once said – “According to the government, the only ‘good’ drugs are taxed drugs…”
Don’t forget that alcohol was in prohibition until the government realized that they could put a tax on it and reap some cash from what people (including some government officials) were doing in hiding.
Posted by: Jerry | October 26, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I agree 100%. This whole thing started back in the day when some NWO wannabe officals, whom had a stake in the tobacco industry made pot illegal because Hemp and weed would have totally screw them out of tons of cash. I believe I heard they did it because black people were smoking it too and they tried to label it “bad”.. The point being, they made it illegal so that tabacco/tree farming would be the only sources used and they had stakes in it. $$$ All government officals are crooked bastards out for themselves only. If you don’t believe that, your what the “awaken” call a “sheep” 0_0
Posted by: abeatdatsunique | October 26, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Legalizing an unhealthy substance so you can tax it to pay for the unhealthy effects of that substance. Sounds like liberal logic to me.
Posted by: Russell | October 26, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
As a medical marijuana patient and 36 year old Disabled Veteran (US Army Infantry) I think it is a good idea. 6 years ago I would of said no way to that thought. But after the years of pain killers and anti depressants and stomach pills and sleeping pills that were given to me from the VA (government run health care) I decided that I was nothing more than a slave to a pill. I ask my Dr about Medical Marijuana and after looking at the long list of pain killer (around 6) and other pills I was taking to stop my pain he said to give it a try. I was able to get off of all of the pharmasuticals and use a little bit of marijuana to take care of my pain. My quality of life is not 1000 times better and I only use a little bit of marijuana late at night to loosen my back up and kill the pain that is always there. I would welcome this thought of taxing it as long as it is for medical reasons. But due to the effectiveness of it I know that will never happen. Big Pharma and the alcohol companies like the nice folks that brew up Budweiser would fight it to the bitter end. Just like they have all along. So dont count on that ever happening anytime soon. If your lucky enough to live in a state that allows you to use it I would suggest you talk to your Dr about it as an option if you need it for a true medical reason. It gave me my life back and has allowed me to live again without being in a drug induced haze all day from Opiates and Anti depressants. And since I am in a state that allows medical MJ I get it for free from an assigned medical MJ grower so no money is going to drug cartels or low lifes that will sell it to children. I treat it like any other drug I am prescribed.
Posted by: Sean | October 26, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
in my above post I screwed up… my quality of life IS 1000 times better now… I miss spelled one of the words in there and it made it sound like it does not work… Sorry I was a grunt in the Army… Not and English Major!
Posted by: Sean | October 26, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Please, I’m an old fart. Lets get this done before I kick the bucket!
Posted by: dwhite | October 26, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
There is a HUGE difference between legalizing marijuana and legalizing crack because people “like them”. We don’t have people in rehab because they are “addicted top marijuana” (unless it was court ordered for ridiculous reasons). There is no physical addiction to marijuana, the only addiction a person can have is psychological; they need the feeling of change in from their sober life. This may lead someone to harder drugs, but again it’s a psychological problem, anything could lead that person to harder drugs. An “addiction” to pot is no different than a sexual addiction or someone with an eating disorder. In addition, we don’t have people in hospitals or morgues because of a marijuana overdose. A person would have to smoke about 1500 lbs of pot in 15 minutes to receive a lethal dose. This is ridiculous, this PLANT is illegal for entirely political reasons. But I won’t get into those.
Posted by: C | October 26, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
You know Jim?
“If you lay back in a pot induced happy stupor, yes, you are not directly hurting anyone, but you are not doing anything useful for yourself or anyone else. As shocking as it sounds we all need everyone to do something useful with their lives, create something useful, work hard.”
If only we could breed humans and buy and sell them as labor, right?
I’m doing nothing today except fart and eat, in tribute to you.
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 26, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
“you never hear of a stoned driver killing 3 kids in a car accident”
That’s because most stoners don’t have jobs and can’t afford a car.
Posted by: RightWingInc.com | October 26, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
How timely. Check this story about a convicted felon growing dope – killed an innocent dog for no reason. You druggies are ALL THE SAME!
Posted by: Dope_Users_Kill_Dogs | October 26, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Marijuana is harmful mentally, psychologically, physically, and spiritually. For abundant scientific based writing on the harmful mental, psychological, and physical effects, see
If the U.S. were to go the way of Amsterdam, we would lose the Republic. Our society depends upon the exercise of good judgment, reason, thoughtful engagement, and responsible citizenship, all of which are undermined by substances used to “turn on and tune out”. There are better ways to deal with pain and other medical problems than to effectively self medicate with substances that have so many known harmful effects.
The United States needs to enforce drug laws, provide intensive prevention, early intervention, and treatment programs, and provide for diversion from the criminal justice system for those who take part in justice system and community based prevention, early intervention, and treatment programs. The future of the nation is in the gravest jeopardy if otherwise reasonable adults who should know better promote policies that would result in the continued use and spread of the use of such a harmful substance as marijuana.
Posted by: Paula Gordon | October 26, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
More lying crxp from the OhBummer Wrecking Crew! Throw ‘em out of office on their ears! Changing the propaganda from the “public option” to the “competitive option” is still a gross lie! The point of sneaking this option —- under any name —- into law is to arrive ASAP at a point when only the government is supplying healthcare —- i.e.: the government monopoly known as “socialized medicine” —– which means, that “competition” has been made “illegal.”
As well, Podesta hasn’t a cent to pull out of his @!#*&! to fund the Helathcare Hijacking.
There ought to be a change in our laws to legalize the horsewhipping of lying politicians, bureaucrats and public employees —– I want this “option” to be open to the privately-employed “public” —- and I think that we should make sure that the administrators of this punishment will “compete” as to who can lay on the most lashes.
Did I leave anything out?!
Posted by: Osamas Pajamas | October 26, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
I can’t imagine that legalizing pot would generate much revenue, but it might save quite a bit that would otherwise be spent on law enforcement and prisons. Pot’s just too easy to grow. It’s much cheaper to get high on pot than it is to get drunk and that’s despite massive government efforts to stamp it out. Imagine how affordable it would be after legalization and how little effort would be put into catching the guy with 20 plants when it’s just a matter of low level tax evasion. So even if the government were to legalize and tax it, I imagine that people would just continue to buy the illegal stuff in order to save money.
Posted by: elmer fudd | October 26, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
The war on drugs just doesn’t work. Isn’t it time to try something different?
Posted by: Observer | October 26, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Go ahead and legalize it, but it wont do SQUAT FOR THE ECONOMY. They’ve taxed tabacco, alchohol and everything else to the hilt to “pay for health care” and what has it done? NOTHING.
Posted by: Joe NYC | October 26, 2009, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Tax it like cigarettes.
Posted by: cd47 | October 26, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Maybe it’s just me but it seems like the libs are totally disorganized at this point. They essentially have all of the power in Washington today but they can’t seem to get on the same page to get anything passed. Every day there’s a new wacky solution put forth (such as taxing pot to pay for healthcare) but they just can’t seem to get synchronized.
Posted by: fishbait | October 26, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
If you legalize it then how can you test to see if a driver is under the influence while driving. And if you say a urine test then your stupid because it could be in your system from the night before. So say a driver does get into an accident while under the influence, should he be held liable? Because if he was driving while intoxicated he would be. Driving under the influence of a drug can be just as bad as driving while intoxicated. The only difference is that driving under the influence of drugs cannot be tested as accurately.
Posted by: Tony | October 26, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
I say this country needs a little less coddling, and a little more ‘survival of the fittest’ mentality.
Legalize ALL drugs. Adults should be able to do to their bodies whatever they want. If they die, so what? One less person taking a toll on our resources.
That said, pot has NEVER killed even one single person.
As soon as someone can provide me statistics saying how many people have DIED as a direct result of pot, you’ll have somewhat of an argument for keeping it a SCHEDULE 1 narcotic. What a joke.
Posted by: Matt | October 26, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
One reason not to legalize
RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES
The main respiratory consequences of smoking marijuana regularly (one joint a day) are pulmonary infections and respiratory cancer, whose connection to marijuana use has been strongly suggested but not conclusively proven. The effects also include chronic bronchitis, impairment in the function of the smaller air passages, inflammation of the lung, the development of potentially pre-cancerous abnormalities in the bronchial lining and lungs, and, as discussed, a reduction in the capabilities of many defensive mechanisms within the lungs.
Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes. It is notable that several reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and larynx. Thus, it appears that the use of marijuana as a medicine has the potential to further harm an already ill patient in the same way that taking up regular cigarette smoking would, particularly in light of the fact that those patients for whom marijuana is recommended are already poorly equipped to fight off these infections and diseases.
For more information, please see the Tashkin website
Posted by: ray | October 26, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
very evil people in White House
Posted by: Dandy Don | October 26, 2009, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
There is a reason it is called DOPE!
I have smoked DOPE since I was 14 thats almost 50 years now. Well I did stop 2 years ago.
If you want your 35 year old son or daughter sitting in your basement doing 0 then lets put pot on the legal list. Isn’t there enough of that already?
Posted by: FREE | October 26, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
I think it’s great that we are actually supporting such groups as the taliban and various violent foreign drug cartels by making it illegal for folks here to buy/grow/sell it with integrity and respect for the common man.
Posted by: madge | October 26, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Liberals have twisted minds! These idiots want just about everything to be legalized, from same sex marriage to open borders to narcotics, etc. – How about legalizing GOD once again in America?
Posted by: Linda C in Cal | October 26, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
The drug war is sham. First, pot should be legal, since it causes less harm in all ways that alcohols. Then we need to stop locking up drug addicts and treat drug addiction as the medical problem it is, instead of as a criminal problem. Jailing a sick addict doesn’t help anyone, including the addict. But as someone above said, the “war on drugs” is a big business where agencies can confiscate bank accounts, cash, cars, homes, businesses, and the drugs themselves, only to resell again and again, confiscating property, again and again, along the way, and NOT helping the addicts at all. LEGALIZE IT!
Posted by: David Stone | October 26, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
LEGALIZE IT!!!! I have been smokin since the late 80′s with no HARM done!!!
A plant that was given to us by GOD and Mother Nature and yet we are denied from it!!! Makes Sense (NOT)!!!!
Stupid Republicans!!!
Posted by: Zander | October 26, 2009, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
George glad to see you are getting on the band wagon I see a lot of comments for it.. few (mainly uniformed)not for it.
John hunt said it best (now that he does not have teenagers in his house) Obama has kids in school and I can see the problem nobody want’s to talk out of both sides of their mouth ..
the top shows on TV are about pot get a jump on this befor FOX NEWS gets there first I see it coming
I was shocked to see you talking about it and tell George Will I take back every bad thing I have said about him somebody finley pulled that stick out of his arse
this is somthing that is going to happen are you going to be sitting on the sidelines or are you going to help have a rational disscusion
By the way love the show
Posted by: kent keith | October 26, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Why are all people in favor of legalizing pot brainless? Maybe because they’ve been stoned half their life? Maybe because they are self rightgeous liberals on a life long search for a brain? Or maybe they have no children of their own and can only speak for themselves? Whatever the reason for being brainless there is hope! Call 1-800-WIZ-OFOZ and ask for the Scarecrow. He might have a brain for you to borrow.
Posted by: Timmothy | October 26, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
let the states tax pot in the amount u grow,,,,,get a permit from the arg,dept to grow a set amount,,,,,,,,pay ur taxes grow ur weed ,,,,,,,if mines better than yours ill sell ya some .
simple if your caught growing with out a tax stamp,,,pay a high fine ,,,,
gov ,wins
Posted by: woof | October 26, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
sorry it’s AL HUNT not JOHN HUNT sorry Al
Posted by: kent keith | October 26, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Oh Kent K., its time for you to put down the bong and check your spelling……its a little off! Try using words with 5 or fewer letters.
Posted by: Timmothy | October 26, 2009, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Just legalize all drugs so we can prevent about a million murders in the next decade. How do people sleep at night knowing that they support a Drug War that has been responsible for the murders of so many innocent Americans and the destruction of our morals by letting gang bangers flurish due to it being illegal? Maybe once these people get to hell they will realize what they have done by sticking their noses in other people’s business because they think they are God & should tell everyone what they can & can’t put in their bodies!
Posted by: JEFF | October 26, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Hey Tommmmmaayyyy!
Why are all people in favor of legalizing pot brainless? Maybe because they’ve been stoned half their life?”
I wish. Can’t handle the weed myself, makes me sleepy mostly. But I can handle freedom. Makes me get a chubby mostly.
Why we all got ta have brains anyway? So we can make Soros richer? Or maybe Trump?
Why can’t we all be free to enjoy the natural world that God gave us? Yes God formed marijuana in 6 days dude. Why you be all hating up on God for his creation?
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 26, 2009, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
George taking a look a responses this week pot won hands down I wrote a letter to Obama and I told him that his numbers are wrong if there are 14 million pot smokers out there WE CAN’T SMOKE THAT MUCH POT we have to have some help
Here is a good question for you what will be leaglized first pot or gay marriage there are more pot smokers than gays
Posted by: kent keith | October 26, 2009, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
George Washington grew it, The first bible was written on HEMP Paper, People have been using it for 1000′s of YEARS!!!
It is safer than tobacco, alcohol and RX drugs!!! You can use it for paper, oil, food, headaches, cancer, the list goes on and on! It should have never been made illegal in the first place! Mr Obama, sell us a pot sticker once a year so we can grow it at home for personal use! i will pay you $1000.00 dollars a year to grow my OWN!!!! I am an insulin using diabetic and I can’t DRINK!!! So I smoke!!!! It’s the safest stuff on the PLANET!!! Come on Obama, everyday I wait for you to do this! Especially in the state of GEORGIA!!! This would be the best thing you can do for US!!!
Posted by: Zan | October 26, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Ignore all the propaganda Posts on this site!!! These people don’t know anything about POT!!!
Once you smoke it for a week or two you get used too it, just like all the other drugs you hypocrites do! Caffeine, Alcohol, Tobacco, Sugar, Speed, meth, coke, TV, etc….
Posted by: Zan | October 26, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
I love how the anti-legalize people on here are screaming “Bring GOD back!!!”. Talk about drug induced delusions…. Seems like most of the “lazy potheads” are providing well thought out answers backed by scientific proof. While the antis are throwing insults and moral based objections.
Posted by: Rally | October 26, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Mikhael. In no way is pot addicting. You might like the way you feel, as you would if you had a little beer or wine. So what. Actually pot makes people happy. You get mellow. Ever watvh Cheech and Chong how they get giggly. I think people can smoke and obey the laws they attach on this probably better than they will with alcohol. It should have no affect of your health care plan in any way. I think it would be nice to let folks go home after a hard days work and unwind. It would just be so relaxing. So what could be wrong with that. Tax it like cigs.
Posted by: 2X4 | October 26, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
It really is about time someone in power comes to their senses and advocates the legalization of marijuana. We’ve spent $30 billion a year on the so-called ‘drug war’, since the 70′s and where has it gotten us? Nowhere. Time to take it out of the thugs hands and tax it. Make money and stop spending billions on a failed policy. A winner in my estimation.
Posted by: jose wasabi | October 26, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Let me see if I have this straight. We have all but criminalized smoking tobacco products (including those that do not involve inhalation and provide extremely low health risks), but we should legalize marijuana, which involves deeeeep inhalation of smoke (just ask a certain former cheif executive) and has enormous health risks.
BTW, I have never heard of someone smoking a cigar or cigarette and then being so inebriated that they drive their car off the road.
Posted by: Monte Christo | October 26, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Typically solution from a mentally bankrupt administration.
You want to spend more money? You have to make it first.
Doesn’t work the other way around. No matter how high you are…
Posted by: Huh? | October 26, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Interesting – so tobacco has become illegal in the great outdoors, but you potheads would subject me the the stench of your bad habits? I have it! Teach me a lesson and move to Europe.
Posted by: Obamamammajamma | October 26, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
The content of the comments posted in reply to this article, by current or former pot smokers, make a pretty good case against legalizing pot.
Pot smokers use marijuana to mask their own problems or at least make their problems not “feel” as bad. They then criticize healthy/normal people to self-justify their escape from reality – truly tragic.
Posted by: Shink | October 26, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Let’s see if I have this right: tobacco smoking is evil and has to be discouraged at every turn, but it is perfectly ok to smoke pot. Just wondering.
Posted by: PeteVino | October 26, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Since I started smoking pot I love Jesus even more!
Posted by: Marty Kay Zee | October 26, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Legalization of pot is not going to be great on any level.
If you smoke weed you need to look at it in this sense…
The government would make money off tax revenue, thus they would not actually let you grow your own or they would lose out on revenues. So then they would have half assed gov’t employees growing massive amounts of pot to deal with supply and demand… thus your quality goes down.
If you don’t smoke weed then you realize how more stupid and lazy our society would become with more kids getting high.
Reefer madness is fake, it just really becomes a question of whether we want lazy people in our country.
Posted by: NorthxNW | October 26, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Legalize pot because it just costs too much to fight it, and look at all the money we can make from it. Are you kidding me??? Legalizing simply means government control of something else, believe me, you potheads don’t want that.
Posted by: TM | October 26, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
The argument ¨Why does the government get to determine what you should do with your body, if you want to be owned by the government, go be a civil servant or G.I.¨ is highly ironic in this context.
Why is it that liberals understand this argument in the context of drugs but not in the context of health care?
I´m all for legalizing pot, but not for using the tax proceeds to fund national health care– for precisely the reason that I don´t want the government determining what I should do with my body.
Posted by: Peterson | October 26, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I don’t think that too many pot smokers go around killing each other. What i have hear is that pot makes you feel better not worst. You do what you wont, but i think that pot is not a bad drug……………………….
Government is the killer drug.
Posted by: frankie | October 26, 2009, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Let’s reserve Obamacare for the people who smoke pot. Let them be taxed to pay for their own medical services and leave the rest of us out of it. One other thing, no drivers licenses as drug residues can remain in the body for a month. Not a problem if you live in inner cities and use public transportation. However, no substance that impairs judgement should be used while driving or operating equipment. No unemployment if they cannot get a job that requires drug-free judgement or coordination skills. I believe people should be free to do what they want, but that I should also be free and not have to buy a social safety net for them–nor do they have a right to put my life at risk by driving under the influence of whatever substance.
Posted by: martin | October 26, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
I’m conservative, I think it ought to be legalized and taxed..End of story. Been saying that for decades.
Posted by: mesndblues | October 26, 2009, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
OK, have your health care paid by guys smoking dope while living in their parents basement. Somehow I don’t see the numbers adding up.
Posted by: Joe Six Pack | October 26, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Good Debate. So, let me understand thi s. If I buy pot illegaly,I’m a criminal. If I grow my own pot,I’m a criminal. If I sell it to a friend, I’m a criminal. Why should the Department of Justice(Sheriffs office) receive those revenues?? Why not just put it in the General Fund? Who cares how it’s going to be miss spent.
I witnessed first hand how poorly the misapprociation of funds was handled with the State of California’s “WINDFALL” from lottery revenue. What a joke. Like this will save us? At least court fines that are criminal will THEN get miss spent.
Posted by: bob | October 26, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Roughly 13000 people a year die from drunk driving, that is one person every 39 minutes. 443,000 people die a year from illnesses related to cigarette smoking. Zero people have ever died on record from just marijuana. Both the tobacco and alcohol industries just here in the US make billions and billions of dollars each year. They pay huge percentages of that back into our tax system. So I ask why not allow a drug thats only real side affects are being lazy and getting way too hungry in order to make another multibillion dollar taxable industry in the USA?
and to TX_MBell-quit trying your hardest to find any possible negative. If you just took a deep breath and considered that marijuana users aren’t like the characters in Reefer Madness, I am sure you will see the potential for good it has to offer.
Posted by: Bb13 | October 26, 2009, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
How are you going to tax something we can grow ourselves or buy from someone else tax free. What a stupid idea.
Posted by: Mike | October 26, 2009, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
All anybody’s discussing so far is the marijuana side of the equation. Don’t forget industrial hemp. Legalization would reopen cultivation of this highly profitable and useful product. There are your “green” jobs. (no pun intended…;-))
Posted by: inkerman | October 26, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
The websites in my Oct, 26, 2009 3:49:14 PM somehow got deleted. You can do a google search on GordonDrugAbusePrevention for articles referencing the scientific literature concerning the harmfulness of marijuana. You can do a google search on SpiritualHarmofMarijuana for statements by spiritual teachers and others concerning the spiritual harmfulness of marijuana and other psychedelic drugs. The Spiritual Harmfulness of Marijuana and Other Psychedelic Drugs website is also accessible via link from the Gordon Drug Abuse Prevention website.
Posted by: Paula Gordon | October 26, 2009, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
So, if someone wants to smoke pot in a public place, do we let them do so or do we send them outside as we would a tobacco smoker? Since pot is so wonderful and its health effects so minimal, sounds to me like we let anyone toke it up in any restaurant, office building, bar, or airplane?
Of course there are lots of people who enjoy pot – if it wasn’t good and didn’t produce a high, it wouldn’t be so popular. There is no doubt that pot makes one feel good. I have no doubt that the government types (go up the chain as far as you wish) who want to make it legal are already smoking it – seriously.
The problem is that it while it makes the one feel good, it isn’t so hot for the rest of us who have to cover for, carry, dodge, and apologize for the one who is stoned. Been there, done that enough, don’t care to have a bunch of stoned zombies around me. If all the “legalize pot” supporters think we are talking about nice white-collar people getting quietly stoned in their own homes, then I think that also suggests that prolonged pot smoking leaves you in a continual fantasy land. Legalizing it for the genteel white collar also legalizes it for the not-so-genteel of society, including the children of the above.
Posted by: bajo | October 26, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
People who are for keeping cannabis illegal sound so ignorant. They have no idea what they are talking about. It sounds like the just watched a reefer madness movie.
Posted by: your friendly cannabis smoker | October 26, 2009, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
How can you effectively tax something I can grow myself? Make it legal to have if you buy it from Uncle Sugar, but illegal if I grow a plant for my own consumption. Most will see the folly of it all and grow their own. Homegrown is alright with me….Homegrown is the way it should be….plant that bell and let it ring!
Posted by: The Rogman | October 26, 2009, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Decriminalizing marijuana would cause the prices to go way down. This would take the incentive out of the equation for drug cartels.It would be cheaper with a tax than it is illegally.
Posted by: uncle dudley | October 26, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Right now marijuana is the NUMBER 1 source of revenue for the Mexican drug cartels and their henchmen in the barrios of America. If someone wants to buy weed, they have to go to a dealer who also can sell them coke, meth, crack or worse… If it were legal and sold through state run stores, that would….
1- Remove the #1 source of cash from the cartels
2- Provide an excellent source of tax revenue for the local, state and federal government
3- Free our police to fight REAL CRIME
4- Reduce the overcrowding in our courts and prisons
5- Provide our struggling farmers with a new cash crop
6- Be a fantastic tourist attraction to boost our struggling tourism industry
7- Reduce the number of drunk fights in bars, drunk drivers, and ALCOHOL RELATED DOMESTIC ABUSE !!! (Have you ever seen a domestic fight after they’ve smoked a joint ? DRUNK, YES… STONED, NO !!!)
COME ON PEOPLE !!! GET OVER THE “REEFER MADNESS” mindset of the 1930′s !!!
Posted by: Jimmy Limo | October 26, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
I’m Down. Let’s do it
Posted by: pot never killed anyone | October 26, 2009, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Huh…….Dave’s not here Man
Posted by: Max | October 26, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
As someone who has not smoked pot for 40 years I hope it never is legalized. I quit when I woke up at a traffic light with my foot on the brake. The thought I could have killed someone and not remembered it was enough for me to quit!
Do we really think that Woodstock would have been what it was if the majority of people and performers had not been stoned?
Posted by: Will Kane | October 26, 2009, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
When marijuana becomes legal the biggest losers will be the pot dealers that have been making a fortune by selling a common weed that can be found almost anywhere. Take back YOUR Earth and YOUR right to what goes into YOUR body.
Note to old media: either change or you will become as obsolete as a dodo bird.
Posted by: Dr. Bombay | October 26, 2009, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
What they have in mind for California is to allow individuals to grow a five by five plot for personal use. There is an expense and hassle to growing your own plants of any kind and most will buy instead. Not too many people make their own wine, but it is legal. What amazes me is that people just accept that the govt has the right to force you to pay a doctor 50 dollars every month to give you a script for 30 pills. What freedom do you have? Many of us would not use any drug that is illegal but, I would exchange use of legal drugs for illegal drugs if illegal drugs became legal. Also Duh to comments about no job: illegal drug users do work and function in society. Fact is, I do not know anyone who uses no drugs at all. No one. Govt control of drugs is govt control of the movements of people since all people use drugs. Anti drugsters are hypocrites one and all.
Posted by: will g | October 26, 2009, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
I am a hard working small business owner and work roughly 55 hours a week. When i get home at night instead of a glass of alcohol which makes me feel bad, I choose to have a bowl of cannabis. Much less toxic to my body without the lingering side affects. Concerning the hateful remarks from makeitlegal above , I would remind you Christ made all things including cannabis and cannabis prosecutions were much higher during the Clinton years than the Bush years in office. This is a matter of record. If you can get the think tank you work with to excuse you a moment to do some unbiased research you may be able to find your way out of the dark and discuss the issue at hand as a grown up. Simply said, ” Perhaps its time to let freedom ring( taxes) at the cash register, for adults and stop making criminals out of hard working, tax paying people who love their country.”
Posted by: america | October 26, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Legalize and tax. Mmmhmm.
What makes anyone think that someone who would risk criminal conviction and jail to sell dope would suddenly become a law abiding citizen when it comes to paying taxes on selling dope? Please.
How about let’s legalize marijuana because the Federal government has no Constitutional jurisdiction on the matter, or on health care for that matter.
How about let’s start telling the government what freedoms we will allow it to abridge do rather than begging for freedoms they have no right to abridge?
Posted by: Soylent Red | October 27, 2009, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Tax pot to pay for health care. Hmmm.
How about get a job and pay for your own healthcare.
That’s too American, I prefer to enlarge the gov’t so they can make the American dream even harder for future generations to attain.
Posted by: blue too | October 27, 2009, 12:26 am 12:26 am
There’s nothing more that you can do against the cartels than legalizing marijuana
Posted by: Dave Davids | October 27, 2009, 12:33 am 12:33 am
Enough with the BS reasoning. Free the weed O or we free you from DC. That is all.
Posted by: Jeff Barea | October 27, 2009, 12:37 am 12:37 am
The Harm Caused to Individuals and Society by the Use of Marijuana
The view that marijuana is harmless or even “relatively harmless” is a view that is widely shared. That a view is widely shared does not mean that it is a sound view or that it has any basis in knowledge or fact.
Of course, the fact that marijuana is a plant that is widely available in nature has nothing to do with the potential harm that it can do if it is smoked or ingested. To assume otherwise is to engage in vague or magical thinking. It is common knowledge that there are plants and substances of all kinds that are harmful if ingested. For instance, hemlock is deadly as are some mushrooms. Smoking anything has some harmful consequences.
However widely shared a view it may be, the view that marihuana is harmless or even “relatively harmless,” it is a view that reflects a lack of knowledge concerning the immediate and the short term and long term effects of marijuana. It is also a view that reflects a lack of knowledge of the less widely recognized effects of marijuana use of contact highs and flashbacks (spontaneous recurrence of a drug high without using the substance at the time of the recurrence.)
Similarly, the view reflects a lack of awareness of the civil liberties implications of being subject to contact highs and other effects as a result of being in the proximity of those who are using marijuana. Certainly, a rational public policy needs to be based on such a knowledge base.
One way I try to determine what the knowledge base might be of a person who seems unaware of the harmful effects of marijuana is to pose these questions:
• Do you know of research that shows that the use of marijuana can negatively affect motivation, long and short term memory, concentration, judgment, reasoning, and common sense?
• Do you know of the research of Harris Isbell and others who found that there can be idiosyncratic psychotomimetic (psychosis-like) effects from the administration of delta 9 THC in human subjects? (Delta 9 THC is the active principle of marijuana.)
• Do you know of the research findings that marijuana smoke can be inhaled by bystanders who then can experience marijuana highs and idiosyncratic effects?
• Do you know of the research in humans and animals showing the deleterious changes in lung tissue as a result of exposure to marijuana smoke?
• Do you know that contact high and flashback effects can occur as a result of the use of marijuana and do you think that the occurrence of such effects can have any negative consequences?
• Do you see any deleterious impacts to the civil liberties of others, including children, the elderly, mentally impaired, and other sensitive individuals, when they are unwillingly or unwittingly subjected to marijuana smoke or contact highs?
With regard to the policies that are needed when it comes to psychoactive, mind altering substances, I believe that there should be an increasing emphasis on effective diversion programs (including drug court programs) and early intervention with judicial backup but no record if successful re-education and treatment are completed. Such approaches need to go on hand in hand with a massive prevention-education effort aimed at helping dissuade users from using a substance that has such negative effects on the mental, psychological, and physical health of users and on the health and functioning of those in their proximity, as well as on the overall well being of society.
After the conclusions of the deliberations in Independence Hall, Benjamin Franklin was asked later by a woman what kind of a government the new nation had. He is said to have replied: “A republic Madame, if we can keep it.” A new question: If we sanction or tacitly encourage the recreational and/or chronic use of psychoactive, mind-altering drugs, including marijuana, and if we do not actively discourage their use, can we still keep our republic? I think not, since keeping our republic depends on an educated and informed psychologically and mentally healthy and stable citizenry who value the common good and who are capable of bring sound reasoning, good judgment, the exercise of common sense, and understanding to bear on recognizing and addressing exceedingly complex and challenging problems and threats that are currently looming before us.
Answers to the six earlier questions can clearly reflect a very different set of values and assumptions concerning what kind of nation we want America to be, and what kind of nation and what kind of world we want to pass on to the future generations. The answers can also reveal very different knowledge bases concerning the effects of psychoactive, mind-altering drugs and very different perspectives on what constitutes mental and psychological health and what the value of mental and psychological health is. From my vantage point, playing Russian Roulette with anyone’s mental and psychological health is simply not a smart thing to do. Turning any part or all of the United States into an Amsterdam or letting it evolve into an Amsterdam would seriously undermine our capacity to realize the promise of America and, from my perspective, it would throw to the winds the great gifts that the Founding Fathers bequeathed to us and entrusted to our keeping, the same gifts that following generations have fought and are fighting to keep.
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Posted by: Paula Gordon | October 27, 2009, 12:57 am 12:57 am
People forget that unlike alcohol or cigarettes, high quality marijuana can be grown by the user all on his own. Thinking this would be a boon to the tax coffers is like saying taxing cucumnbers would solve our economic woes. All you would do is trade the war on drugs for “revenuers” chasing down private pot growers like they used to go after moonshiners. Goverment intervention will always come down to some kind of enforcement action. Just like proposed jail terms for non-insurance of healthcare.
Posted by: Armando | October 27, 2009, 1:08 am 1:08 am
I used to live with two other people, one was an avid pot smoker, one had “stopped” pot smoking, and I am against smoking pot. For the most part while I lived with them I smelled pot coming from the smoker’s room almost every night, often waking up to the smell of it. When living with them I had feelings of anxiety and sleeplessness, and while they were initially the night before exams, I never had these panic attacks before, and even on exams that meant more and were much harder. One night the three of us were playing a friendly poker game with a few other guys for mere pocket change ($5 from each of us). About mid-way through they all decide they’re gonna get high, and I say “go ahead, I’m not going to do that stuff”. It was a few days later that I learned the roommate that quit had started doing pot again. I moved out a bit later, and since the sleeplessness and anxiety attacks are gone. My exam grades increased almost immediately, and now I have my own place.
By the way, pot is delusional, because I hear the same arguments for legalizing pot everytime this conversation comes up.
P.S. I won the poker game, the avid pot smoker was too stoned to keep playing, gave up and went to bed shortly after we started up again.
Posted by: abananaphone | October 27, 2009, 1:22 am 1:22 am
it’s a trap.
Remember, Obama said that more resources could now be used to go after dealers.
Thay are recording your ip addreses.
If Obama put the resources toward terrorists, now that would be “change”.
Legalize it, and let’s move on to stopping mexican drug cartels, which have ties to terrorists.
Protect the land of the free… Produce clean, chemical free pot (and tax it)
(successful, smart, and smoking for 30 years.)
Posted by: makemesmile | October 27, 2009, 1:43 am 1:43 am
Best idea I’ve heard from liberal in three years.
I would support health care reform if someone could explain to me a way to pay for it.
I would DEFINITELY support it if pot was legalized to pay for it.
But Politicians care too much about controlling peoples lives.
Posted by: Chris | October 27, 2009, 2:58 am 2:58 am
Legalizing pot and then taxing it (making it cheaper than you could get on the streets, but still making a profit) would be one of the most sensible policies in the last 50-100 years of government. (And I’ve never smoked pot in my life, never intend to).
It just makes too much sense for it ever to happen.
Posted by: smokeybandit | October 27, 2009, 6:32 am 6:32 am
Unlike making beer, wine or hard liquor, growing high quality marijuana requires very little in the way of skills or equipment. It would be exceedingly difficult to keep track of who is growing and selling small quantities. Good luck trying to tax it.
Posted by: Dave | October 27, 2009, 7:39 am 7:39 am
I don’t care much either way. The government doesn’t have any business running health care so legalization of marijuana should not happen just to pay for the dems health plan. If you want to legalize it–fine, but not for this reason. And every private employer still has the right to a drug free work place.
Posted by: clark | October 27, 2009, 8:32 am 8:32 am
This is overdue. Most people simply dont understand the history behind this prohibition. It’s largely due to the lunatic crusade of Harry Anslinger in the 30′s. All studies from LaGuardia’s unbiased six year study to todays studies have shown no ill efects, but have been silenced by decades of propoganda. Pot is no more dangerous (in fact less) than alcohol and tobacco. Legalize it, tax it, and use the money for drug education and health care.
Posted by: Chris | October 27, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Will these programs include government sponsored advertisements, ala; the Lottery systems? The lotteries are basically taxes for the statistically challenged, which has proven to be a boon. Pushing dope on people should be easier still.
Posted by: bill | October 27, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
legalize it
Posted by: bob | October 27, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am
I agree pot should be decriminalized .. but, making addicts of the government to its revenues is insane.
Posted by: bill | October 27, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
To all of you that support pot legalization. Lets make ALL drugs legal, why stop at marijuana? Why not sell cocaine, crack, etc door-to-door, or at the Pharmacy, maybe get a subsidy from Medicare? Surely if Pot is good for you then the other drugs must be MUCH better? Don’t you think??
Posted by: bob | October 27, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
I’m a staunch Conservative. But working in law enforcement for the last 20 years, and understanding the realities, the war on drugs is lost. Legalizing it will shift the hundreds of billions of dollars both local and federal dollars from fighting it to actually making profits and controlling the quality and treatment centers. There are so many negative and illegal elements that would disappear by making it legal.
Learn from the prohibition of Alcohol.
Posted by: NeoConForCommonSense | October 27, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Our son died of a brain cancer at age 42. Without the pot my wife and I bought in some dangerous places from scary people, our son’s last days would have been worse. “War on drugs”? What a cruel joke!
Posted by: James McGrath | October 27, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Cannabis is a valuable substance for it’s medicinal value and it’s industrial value. There is no valid reason not to legalize it and tax it. Start with medicinal uses if need be. The male hemp plant can make biofuel, paper, plastics, rope, and even food and would employ thousands of struggling farmers.
Posted by: acudoc | October 27, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Jethro, Conjectures pure conjectures, you almost sound like a young blind Reagan, what is in it for you? Bottom line, Alcohol is one of worst mind altering substance out there, where we loose close to 100,000 people a year to it, that is like more than 4 flu season in one year, do you see it in the news? NO, ask your self why?…..
Not one person has dies from Cannabis and it is practically none habit forming, it should be compare more with coffee or beer (a beverage with very low amount of the drug alcohol). So it is wrong to paint everything with a broad brush and making it sound as if Cannabis will bring more “Health and social problems” or more “collateral damage” or a “repeat” of the problems Alcohol has giving us?
And you say “keep the criminals engaged in what they have now and round them up”? are you mad? You sound like a policeman. (making sure there is job security).
Learn more of what Cannabis is, and how it helps the body, don’t run with what the media tells you. You know?, the media that never tells you that more people die from the drug “Alcohol” than all the other drugs combine,(don’t forget to keep Cannabis out of this statistic because no one has die from it).
Again you comment is all conjecture, nothing else.
Posted by: Nancy R. | October 27, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I see all the drug addict useless pot heads are in here commenting today. I salute you all and your billions of dead brain cells.
Posted by: AFSGTSAM | October 27, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Is there anything or anyone the democrats don’t want to tax?
Posted by: AFSGTSAM | October 27, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I lived in So Illinois and pot was an often used and silly drug – it made people act stupid and dangerous – It was like watching cartoons where the dog keeps running into the closed door of the kitchen and the silly hyjinks of adults laughing and falling over furniture. Nothing liberating about humans opting out of life
Posted by: jules2112 | October 27, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Yeah thats what I want, some drug head or drunk flying my airliner, or driving my kids school bus.
Posted by: Alex | October 27, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Good for Podesta. He’s showed courage and vision to suggest this. We tax cigarettes and alcohol, which are both more harmful than cannabis. We should end this pointless, destructive marijuana prohibition.
Posted by: Steven | October 27, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
legalize pot… yeah so we can have even more unmotivated idiots who waste their money on the stuff, thinking that by being mellow, all their problems will blow by (trust me, ive worked with a number of them, and all of them are still living with their parents) besides, once weve grown tired of pot, like cigarettes, and alcohol, we’ll want to legalize cocain until those columbian lords turn into legitimate buisness men.
Posted by: lunacyabound | October 27, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
This makes so much sense in every way possible.
Posted by: John d | October 27, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
This is complete idiocy, not because we should or should not legalize marijuana.
It is idiocy because we can not possibly tax pot enough to pay for a trillion dollar plus program. If we put the amount of tax necessary to cover Health Care the cost would be as high or higher than it is now. The black market would continue, people would grow it at home and you would end up with little or no revenue.
Posted by: jay | October 27, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am
This does not make any sense to me. It looks to me the bakers for health care for all are the same people pushing to legalize marijuana. I can only assume that they themselves have no health coverage but smoke pot. If a pot tax could somehow pay for health coverage wouldn’t be cheaper and more “neighborly” to stop smoking pot and do the responsible thing and buy your own health coverage. This is all a lie. You cannot pay for health coverage with something that causes people to become unhealthy. It does not work (look at what they did with cigarettes) or make sense and the number don’t add up. My employer pays like 300$ a month on my health coverage. Even with the public option and assuming that the government could run it cheaper, this means I would have to smoke at least 300$ worth of pot just so the health coverage is pay threw tax review and the companies sealing the pot could make a profit. Question have people lost all there common since.
Posted by: Charley | October 27, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Freedom cannot exist without personal responsibility
Legalize drugs and dump this healthcare reform farce. Use the money savings to pay the debt and cut personal/business taxes. In fact, end all entitlements for all those physically and mentally capable of working.
A society that rewards based on need, creates needy citizens. Reward based on ability and it will create able ones.
Posted by: Rusty | October 27, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
“Tax Pot to pay for health insurance”, well nations like Denmark, Sweden or Norway have legalized and taxed pot to pay for other services. These nations are ideal tests as their programs are decades old. From what I have read, the legalization of Pot has not helped solve their fiscal problems and has attracted pot smokers from across the planet, many of these pot smokers are “multiple drug users” and bring with them opportunistic diseases and and crime into these nations. It is not too hard to figure that the sum total of negatives outnumber the positives.
Posted by: Asian view | October 27, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
I thought the Repubs were all about personal freedoms, and not letting the Government take away liberties and so on. You know, all the same stuff that the rest of the Country has been screaming about for the past 40-50 years. Yet there are still those that keep going with the whole REEFER MADNESS argument. I can’t believe that with the insanity we are going through in this economic nightmare, that there are still so many that are happy to see billions of our tax dollars wasted on pot. God made pot, man made beer. Who you gonna trust?
Posted by: Pigasus | October 27, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
I don’t like pot. Well, I like the smell a lot but I don’t like the effect it has on my brain or body. I’d much rather drink Kava. But if you like it, go ahead, it’s your right as a human being to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t get in the way of my doing the same. So, don’t smoke pot at work, don’t go to work with a pot hangover, don’t claim your disabled because you can’t work because you smoke pot, and stay out of your car when stoned, buzzed, or hung over. Just like responsible alcohol drinkers do. If not, expect similar penalties. Slap on wrist for running over a little girl…free counseling and leave with pay if you can’t work, reinstatement of professional license after other licenses in your profession have paid for your rehab through their professional org dues.
Posted by: Katz P. Ajamas | October 27, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
wonderful…just what we need, folks using their government hand out check to buy their legalized drugs so they can sit on their butts and be happier while they wait on next months government hand out check
This is the world the Democrats want anyway…thanks for helping them get you there. A subdued and quiet public is a controlled public. Apparently not much more brainwashing is needed from teh looks of these comments.
Posted by: Tame | October 27, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
I love to hear people talk about lazy stoners under acheivers let’s see
the last 3 presidents
Newt Ginrich
Carl sagen
steve jobs and probley Bill Gates
Shaekspear (they found resin in his pipe)
the founding fathers (George Washington wrote to the India hemp co to find out how to seperate the male plants from the female plants you only do that if you are going to smoke it )
Thomas Jeferson some of my best times were spent on his veranda smoking sweet hemp
Abe Lincoln writing to the horner harmonica co some of my best times were spent smoking hemp and playing my horner harmonica on the front porch
well all these slackers it’s a wonder we ever got any thing done in this country
and I have said this befor you will never see a man smoke a joint and then beat his wife can’t say that about a drunk can you
the biggest problem I can see is the unemployment judges , procutters (that was not a mistake )prision guards ,DEA agents think about it we have spent 1 trillion dollers on the war on drugs
if your a cop what is the safest bust a pot head they dont have needles in their pockets they are not going to put up a fight
60 billion spent on the war on drugs 40 billion on pot I know thats a lot of jobs
100 billion on courts that’s a start on paying for health care
Posted by: kent keith | October 27, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
rdworking, kind woman that he married over 30 years ago. I am a business owner and a respectable member of my community. In fact, UNLESS I told you, you would NEVER, EVER guess that in the privacy of my home, I ENJOY smoking a joint.
Posted by: Youcantfoolme | October 28, 2009, 12:43 am 12:43 am
I have smoked weed for over 40 years. During that time I went to college and have worked my entire life from age 14. I married and raised two wonderful kids. I am still the decent hardworking kind woman my husband married over 30 years ago. I am a business owner and a respectable member of my community. In fact, UNLESS I told you, you would NEVER, EVER guess that in the privacy of my home, I ENJOY smoking a joint.
Posted by: Youcantfoolme | October 28, 2009, 12:53 am 12:53 am
How ridiculous is it that marijuana is illegal? Here in Michigan, as probably every other part of the country, we heavily fund our drug task forces. They can’t seem to find much else to do other than harass and attempt to bust state-licensed medical marijauana patients, while the announcement was made that once again, we will cut another couple-hundred dollars in per-pupil school funding.
The drug warriors parrot their usual mantra about it being “for the kids.” So, I ask the question, What’s more relevant in regard to doing something that benefits “the kids”? Busting medical marijuana users (or even recreational users) or providing school funding?
Posted by: David | October 28, 2009, 7:55 am 7:55 am
What? Why not use the tax dollars to get our deficit down? Of course the government wants more of my money, to build another governmental plantation!
Posted by: Ga Sunshine | October 28, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Here’s my thing, is the war on drugs working? I seen the brain on drugs commericial, to the guy at the payphone talking about how prescription drugs are to blame for his lack of drug sales, and just say no to drugs. I could care less about who uses what to get high. Obviously it’s not working, there’s meth, coke and crack-cocaine still out there, besides weed, acid, e-pills, prescription drugs, need I say more. Next thing is how much has the war on drugs cost us as taxpayers over the years. Finally, when we get out of our own world and see the world for what it is, maybe people will see that we have much, I mean much bigger problems, than weed, drug possessions and drug busts, for every raid they have, we pay for that as taxpayers, for every weed arrest, either possession or distrubution, we pay taxes on that! So ask yourselves what are you doing so that your kids, your students, your relatives, your peers aren’t taking some drug that can kill them or have them in an abandoned house or alley somewhere!
Posted by: A. Lloyd | October 28, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
legalize it already!
tax+regulate+up to 6 oz.
Posted by: gw | October 30, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
It is the stigma that scares many people who use smoking pipes to keep it a secret. One of the problems inhibiting legalization is that people who smoke a glass pipe are not considered serious or mature. It is the public to make our choices known and to make sure our voices are heard. With the economy the way it is today this is the best chance to change the law. Send a letter make, send an email make a phone call, every hand written Letter that makes it to a representative is considered to be the voice of thousands of people who did not take the time to write and that is a power we all have.
Posted by: SunflowerPipes | November 18, 2009, 5:34 am 5:34 am
After 20 plus years in lawenforcement I am convinced the drug problem could have been taken care of even before I was born. As long as people in authority
benefit from drug trade this issue will remain unresolved.As long as those who make and enforce the laws we live by benefit from breaking those laws this and many other problems will remain. Marijuana is a tear drop in a rain storm compaired to the other illegal drugs lawenforcement deals with everyday. Legalize it destroy the market just like our government did to the tobacco farmer. Take away every reason to grow it then move on to the more devestating drugs.
Posted by: Sharkley | October 25, 2010, 8:23 am 8:23 am