By Gorman Gorman

Oct 19, 2009 8:22am

Wars Within: Obama wants fight with GOP — but battles loom among Democrats

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Remind us of who the enemies are again?

The White House’s public stance is back to campaign mode — marginalizing Republicans, castigating insurance companies, offering for-us-or-against-us formulations.

But President Obama, at some point soon, is going to have to get tough (or at least get clear) with his fellow Democrats. We’re beyond any point where getting a Republican (make that two Republicans) on board for health care is a realistic goal.

The push for health care — mops and all — is entirely and exclusively about Democrats seeing past their differences to get a bill done. (Anyone other than the president able to pull that one off?)

The fissures on the Hill aren’t healing themselves. (And with Rahm’s Rule about advertising against Democrats effectively repealed — a new ad targeting Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is up Monday — we’re moving toward open season in the ad wars.)

Until or unless the C-SPAN cameras get to roll — we’ll have to learn the parameters (and fire up the stakeholders) in other ways.

It doesn’t sound good for the public option, in the Senate bill: “There will be compromises,” Senior White House Adviser David Axelrod told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week.”

“He is not demanding that it is in” the final legislation, Valerie Jarrett, said on “Meet the Press.” “He thinks it’s the best possible choice.”

“It’s not the defining piece of health care,” said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

Last spring’s (and also last summer’s) headlines, fresh today: “The White House is waiting for Congress to settle on a final health care bill, even though President Barack Obama has a clear preference in favor of at least one specific — the much-debated public option, advisers said,” Steven R. Hurst reports for the AP. “Obama, however, will not demand that legislation include a government-run insurance plan intended to drive down costs through competition with private insurers.”

Plus, reports Stephanopoulos: “On the deficit, [Axelrod] signaled that President would sign $248 billion dollar ‘fix’ in Medicare doctor payments scheduled for a vote this week — even if specific ‘pay-fors’ not attached.”

Bloomberg’s Al Hunt does some handicapping: “There won’t be a full-fledged government-run program, or public option, though the measure will have a fallback safety net that will put pressure on the private health-insurance industry on premiums and coverage,” he predicts. “The odds are a measure will pass — assuming Snowe stays on board — with Christmas lights and music in the background when Obama signs it.” 

From one who knows politics: “I wish we could have a public option, but I’m also a realist,” former DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe tells TPMDC, saying that a public option is “probably not” going to be in the final bill.

Oh, the ironies here: “For Democrats determined to get a health care bill, Sen. Roland Burris is like the house guest who couldn’t be refused, won’t soon be leaving and poses a plausible threat of ruining holiday dinner,” per the AP’s Laurie Kellman. “Suddenly, he can no longer be ignored.”

“I would not support a bill that does not have a public option,” Burris, D-Ill., tells Kellman. “That position will not change.”

New pressure from the left, on health care: With Reid, D-Nev., already on the air in his re-election bid, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) is going up with a new ad in Nevada, pressing for a public option with a Nevada nurse who lost her insurance: “Is Harry Reid strong enough?”

A light public schedule for the president — though his top aides on health care will be on the Hill with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and company.

Sounds so easy, except it couldn’t be harder: “Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi are at the moment working independently to merge sweeping health care bills produced by two committees in the Senate and three in the House into bills each must squeeze through the respective chambers. Then, Democrats hope, they will negotiate one final version between them before sending it to Mr. Obama’s desk,” Carl Hulse and Robert Pear write in The New York Times.

Too much sugar? “With problems for the president in Afghanistan, health care and unemployment, some critics on both the left and right are asking: Is the president essentially ‘too nice’ to make the important decisions?” per ABC’s David Kerley.

GOP strategist Kevin Madden: “The president has reached a tipping point whether deliberation is starting to look like hesitation. . . . One of the biggest risks there, the American public begins to question whether or not you have the leadership skills.”

Watching the left: “To the mad-as-hell conservatives on the right, now add a new and increasingly vocal group of critics attacking President Obama — impatient Democrats on the left,” David Saltonstall reports in the New York Daily News. “Obama’s favorable rating among Democrats in general remains a stratospheric 89%, according to a Gallup Poll released last week. But increasingly, noisy factions on the party’s most liberal flank — among them gay rights proponents, pro-choice activists and immigration reformers who Obama courted last year — are incensed that their causes have taken a backseat to the White House’s all-out push on health care reform.”

Roll Call’s Keith Koffler: “In his first nine months, Obama has followed an agenda that raised concerns among unions, Jews, gays and Latinos — groups that backed him overwhelmingly and without which he cannot be re-elected. The complaints for now are mostly muted, and any damage done can be reversed. But all have high expectations for the president, and a few — particularly labor leaders and gays — view his presidency as the first, and perhaps the last chance for some time, to achieve long-coveted goals.”

From the other side (yes, there’s still another side): “House Republicans are planning an interest-group strategy to try to stop a health care bill and will spend the next three weeks arguing that the Democrats’ measure will be a bad deal for small businesses, senior citizens, and women and children,” Kara Rowland reports in the Washington Times. “With Republican lawmakers vastly outnumbered in the chamber, party leaders say their best strategy is to sway the public against Democrats’ health care plans. The best way to do that, they say, is to synchronize their messaging to focus on specific groups that could suffer from effects of the bill.” Business scorecard: “The drug industry stands to gain in a health-care overhaul by getting tens of millions of newly insured customers, while insurance companies — especially those that cater to the individual market — look like they are in for a tougher time,” The Wall Street Journal’s Janet Adamy and Greg Hitt report.

MoveOn.org picks up the pace in blasting insurance companies, with a new print ad set to run in Wednesday’s Washington Post: “INSURANCE COMPANIES TO AMERICA: DROP DEAD.” Says the ad: “HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE WILLING TO LET THE BODIES PILE UP, AS LONG AS THEIR PROFITS ARE SAFE.”

Intriguing strategy: “The White House and congressional Democrats are working to marginalize the Chamber of Commerce — the powerful business lobby opposed to many of President Barack Obama’s first-year priorities — by going around the group and dealing directly with the CEOs of major U.S. corporations,” Politico’s Lisa Lerer reports.

You think those folks are concerned? What about former Alaska governors who have books coming out soon?

ABC’s Teddy Davis: “Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is once again weighing in on the health reform debate, this time echoing the insurance industry’s argument that the individual mandate contained in the Senate Finance bill will prove unworkable as young and healthy Americans conclude that they are better off paying a small fine than purchasing costly insurance.”

Palin, R-Alaska, in her Facebook message (by far her wonkiest to date): “Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750,” Palin writes. “The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead.”

The administration’s new Sudan policy officially is being announced Monday at the State Department.

“Human rights organizations focused on curbing the genocide in Darfur reacted warily towards the Obama administration’s new stance towards the government of Sudan, to be announced on Monday by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,” ABC’s Jake Tapper and Kirit Radia report. “The new strategy of engaging Khartoum constitutes a change from the policy held by President George W. Bush, as well as the campaign rhetoric voiced by then-candidate Obama one year ago.”

On Afghanistan — a delay that makes more sense by the day: “The White House signaled Sunday that President Obama would postpone any decision on sending more troops to Afghanistan until the disputed election there had been settled and resulted in a government that could work with the United States,” Peter Baker and Sabrina Tavernise report in The New York Times. “The signals come as Republican critics already are complaining that the president is taking too long to decide whether to send the additional 40,000 troops requested by his commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.”

Kerry diplomacy, in Afghanistan: “Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts held a prolonged meeting last night with President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan and urged him to agree to a runoff vote or take other steps to end the postelection crisis that has gripped the Afghan government for the past two months,” The Boston Globe’s Farah Stockman writes.

“Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, has played a mediating role since he arrived in Kabul on Friday. . . . But it was unclear last night whether Kerry was able to persuade the Afghan leader to accept the results of an election complaints investigation, which called for a runoff election between Karzai and Abdullah, his top challenger.”

Why the new strategy has to wait, still: “It would be entirely irresponsible for the president of the United States to commit more troops to this country, when we don’t even have an election finished and know who the president is and what kind of government we’re working with,” Kerry said on CNN.

Rahm Emanuel, on CNN: “The question does not become how many troops you send, but do you have a credible Afghan partner for this process that can provide the security and the type of services that the Afghan people need.” More voices for the president to consider: “As Obama reviews U.S. strategy for the war in Afghanistan, meeting with generals, Cabinet secretaries and diplomats, he has received informal advice from those most touched by the eight- year conflict: the parents who sacrificed children, the spouses who lost their mates, and the soldiers who left behind limbs,” Bloomberg’s Hans Nichols writes.

Getting the politics: “The bonuses are offensive and to the firms that still have federal TARP money there’s some jurisdiction, the pay master of Treasury is working on trying to limit that,” Axelrod told George Stephanopoulos on “This Week.” “They ought to think through what they are doing and they ought to understand that a year ago a lot of these institutions were teetering on the brink and the United States government and taxpayers came to their defense.”

Some context: “But the administration’s tone appeared muted compared with attacks made earlier in this year, as Democrats — with an eye toward the 2010 midterm elections — seek to put a positive spin on recent economic developments,” John D. McKinnon and Naftali Bendavid report in The Wall Street Journal.

On the Hill — Countrywide pressure, as applied by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., ranking member of the House oversight committee: “If you think moderate Democrats are afraid of voting for ObamaCare, you should see how they react to a potential vote on the Countrywide Financial loan scandal,” James Freeman writes in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

A Democrat breaks: “Both parties must decide that they can’t protect their members, no matter how powerful they are,” freshman Rep. Mike Quigley, D-Ill., tells the Journal. “Stupidity wears both hats.”

Getting in front (and worried about the stimulus jobs numbers out at the end of the month): New Recovery Act numbers Monday. “The Obama Administration today announced that preliminary indications are that state governments will credit the Recovery Act with creating and saving at least 250,000 education jobs across the country when reports filed on Recovery Act education spending to-date are posted online later this month.”

In Virginia: The Washington Post endorses Democrat Creigh Deeds for governor. “If the current campaign for governor has clarified anything, it is that state Sen. R. Creigh Deeds, the Democratic nominee, has the good sense and political courage to maintain the forward-looking policies of the past while addressing the looming challenge of fixing the state’s dangerously inadequate roads. The Republican candidate, former attorney general Robert F. McDonnell, offers something different: a blizzard of bogus, unworkable, chimerical proposals, repackaged as new ideas, that crumble on contact with reality.”

Still a chance for Deeds? “With just over two weeks left until Virginia’s gubernatorial election, Democrat Creigh Deeds is left with a narrow path to victory, one that hinges on energizing key demographic groups and the durability of the Old Dominion’s new politics,” Politico’s Jonathan Martin reports. “Virginia’s Washington, D.C. suburbs, where one-third of voters reside, have gone from being a battleground region to a Democratic bulwark in recent elections, making it dangerous to write off Deeds just yet.”

In New Jersey, The Philadelphia Inquirer endorses Sen. John Corzine, D-N.J., as does The New York Times.

How Corzine may pull it off. “On Monday Joe Biden will appear with Corzine at a noon-time rally in Edison and Barack Obama will swoop in to embrace the governor Wednesday afternoon in Hackensack,” Walter Shapiro writes for Politics Daily. “Aided by a superior Democratic get-out-the-vote drive, Corzine is now widely expected to prevail over Christie and Daggett after a campaign that embodies the sports concept of winning ugly. The post-election Obama talking points will probably stress the Democratic Party’s resilience in New Jersey. And while the president himself may deserve a sliver of the credit, the Obama campaign’s 2008 mantra of hope will have absolutely no connection with anything that will happen in the cynical precincts of New Jersey politics.”

In Pennsylvania, the mystery Senate endorser is a guy who won the primary but lost the general: From the release: “Former Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Ned Lamont will endorse Congressman Joe Sestak for the Democratic nomination to the U.S. Senate TODAY, 19 OCTOBER, outside Independence Hall in Philadelphia.  Ned Lamont is one of the only Democratic challengers in our nation’s history to overcome an incumbent Senator in his party’s primary.”

In Connecticut, mind those flips: GOP Senate candidate Rob Simmons, in a blog posting: “I did a lot of listening, and concluded that I was wrong about two issues I supported in Congress – the Employee Free Choice Act (also known as “card check”) and “cap and trade.”  After hearing more from the people who would be most affected by these bills, I became convinced they would cause more harm than good and I would oppose them in the Senate.”

Transitions: Daniel Sepulveda, now an assistant U.S. Trade Representative in the Obama Administration, is headed to Sen. Kerry’s office, as a senior adviser on commerce, trade, and business issues. Says Kerry, in a statement going out Monday: “Danny knows how to navigate the Senate and the Administration and brings with him the political savvy and policy expertise to dive in head first. He’s a sharp mind and a big thinker who will lend his skill on everything from telecommunications to trade and immigration at a time when we have more on our agenda than ever before.”

The Kicker:

“Got to be able to B.S. a little.” — Professional poker player Phil Ivey, to Roll Call, on the similarities between politicians and poker players.

“job inquiries … expertise requests … business deals … reference requests … getting back in touch” — Sarah Palin’s “interested in” list, on her new Linkedin page. 

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User Comments

“about Democrats seeing past their differences to get a bill done”
Does this surprise anyone? Just because the insurance industry has bought the entire Republican party doesn’t mean they haven’t invested in a few key Democrats too. And the Democrats are the ones who have actually balanced a budget in my lifetime – despite the rhetoric, they are the party that cares about the budget and takes big changes seriously (since they’re willing to take the flak of passing a tax to pay for them upfront).

Posted by: jhw539 | October 19, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am

“Just because the insurance industry has bought the entire Republican party Just because the insurance industry has bought the entire Republican party”
Posted by: jhw539 | Oct 19, 2009 9:03:10 AM
citation?
“But increasingly, noisy factions on the party’s most liberal flank — among them gay rights proponents, pro-choice activists and immigration reformers who Obama courted last year — are incensed that their causes have taken a backseat to the White House’s all-out push on health care reform.”
don’t worry…he’ll get you in 2011-2012 to lock-in your votes.

Posted by: stdntDrvr | October 19, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

“Is the president essentially ‘too nice’ to make the important decisions?”
Oh my God, every week its a new storyline: Is the President trying to do too much? Is the President not doing enough? Is the President too nice?
Here’s my storyline, is America too stupid to deserve Barack Obama?

Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 19, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Oh wow the insurance industry has bought no one. Idiototic ststement. The dems did the same when clinton had the office. We are suffering now because the dems haeld the power the last two years of Bush and did nothing. They complained about the war and now they fund it. they complained about the bank industry and now the are trying to own it. Fannie and Freddie are corupt and whistle blown own yet Franks and waters accused the whistle blowers of beinbg raciest. Thats what is wrong, these lifers and hate mongers that have control need to be voted out.

Posted by: Jim Rod | October 19, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Values the GOP and fellow right wingnuts stand for are:
- GOP is for the right to bear arms but against the right to healthcare. If you accidentally shoot yourself, your are on your own.
- GOP is for pro file but against healthcare for children. You must have that baby but after that you are on your own.
- GOP is for contracts that feed prisoners 3 times a day but against contracts for school lunch programs. If you want free lunch, go to prison.
- GOP is for wars that kill people in other countries, but against policies that make the life of americans better.
What type of water do these guys drink?

Posted by: New Wave | October 19, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am

jhw539 do your homework i am a moderate independent but i know one thing a liberal president never ever works and goverment to take over health its so laughable its scary reform but no public option majority of independents want reform but not a full overhaul if they put the public option in say good bye to dems in the house and senate personally this president hasnt done anything id advise him he better start going center.

Posted by: natale from mass. | October 19, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am

amy b in maine no they were to blind and stupid to vote for him.

Posted by: natale from mass. | October 19, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Amy in Maine; The better question is does American deserve to be torn apart and plunged into insurmountable debt by someone like Obama? Another great question would be, “Do the majority of Americans who have struggled to succeed deserve to be financially raped so those who have failed to succeed within the traditional ways of doing business can reap the same benefits?”

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | October 19, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am

This is soooo funny. Obama wants to blame republicans but it is his own party that he cannot control. Some watered down version will pass and Obama will claim victory until insurance cost start going up and that will be the end of Obama and democratic control of congress. The experiement will finally be over.

Posted by: sammy | October 19, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am

The Democrat health care plan, the Democrat Cap and Tax, and the Democrat stimulus plan are all going to bankrupt the country while enslaving millions to government handouts. Obama actually attacking Fox News because it doesn’t toe the party line as the rest do. No matter if you are liberal or conservative, people must recognize that Obama is an extremely dangerous individual for these censorship actions. Next year, he must lose the house and seats in the Senate so this madness can be stopped.

Posted by: brian | October 19, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am

mmonroeliveson your worldview is decidely twisted.
Healthcare costs in this country are climbing, to the point that our economy is being negatively affected. It’s a mess. It’s becoming more expensive for employers to provide insurance, and, with people losing their jobs, more people lose insurance, etc.
The President is taking action to finally DO SOMETHING about our dysfunctional insurance system. Somehow you twist it into another entitlement, something that rewards irresponsible, lazy people. That isn’t what reform is all about, tht’s your blind spot, your hobby horse, your pet peeve, but that’s not reality. Think of it this way: poor people already get healthcare, usually at the emergency room, and reform is a way to make them pay, and protects the rest of us from covering their costs. Does that make you feel better?

Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 19, 2009, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Getting every Democrat in the Finance Committee on board means nothing? I disagree with that faulty premise. No Dem will be willing to snub this bill now and essentially join the Republicans in opposition to any health care reform.

Posted by: matt | October 19, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Obama is now trying to censor Fox News. This is a dangerous precedent and is a violation of freedom of the press. If you are left or right, it should make no difference. We have to tell Obama that he needs to stop this nonsense right now.

Posted by: brian | October 19, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Censor Fox news? I don’t think so. The President is just attempting to throw a spotlight into the divisive and misleading tactics of the Fox organization. Their mission is to undermine his every goal. They are still free to say what they want. You are still free to listen! It’s the same with The Enquirer or other like minded “newspaper”. I don’t think you’ll see the president sitting down to talk to them any time soon.

Posted by: Phoenix lady | October 19, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Obama is a fraud! He’s nothing but a puppet POTUS bought and paid for by the progressive liberals who paid to put him through school and greased every liberal pig they could find to help put him in the WH! The reason he uses a teleprompter all the time is because he doesn’t have clue what he is doing or talking about. He merely takes orders from the progressive liberal mob! In 2010 we will take away his majority rule and in 2012 his Presidency and send him packing back to crooked chicago!

Posted by: lovingpolitics | October 19, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am

The yellow dog democrats are done when they are up for reelection. Voters are going to push them off the fence and more than likely out the door.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 19, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

As the “White House’s public stance is back to campaign mode — marginalizing Republicans, castigating insurance companies, offering for-us-or-against-us formulations.” Pause for a moment to consider that the deficit is $1.4 trillion and the $12 trillion national debt is expected to double in just ten years.
Now how does the WH or its congress expect us to believe that a government unwilling to even address a plan to mitigate the national debt should be trusted to take the nation further into debt for some “nanny state” healthcare scheme?
The best that has been suggested by any of this bunch is deficit neutral or a vague reference to a deficit reduction in some un-named year. That just don’t cut it!
Accept nothing less than admitting the CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER of an out-of-control debt due to out-of-control spending and demand answers now!

Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 19, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am

It is clear the House passed HR3200 bill is the version of Pelosi, Waxman and Rangel, who are the representatives of most liberal districts in US. If this version is prevailed in the final bill, then there will be a possible disaster to the Dem. lawmakers from large number of less liberal districts or states in election one year later. This tsunami could be worse than that happened in November 2008, which toppled a lot of Rep. lawmakers because of Bush’s overspending ?

Posted by: austin | October 19, 2009, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

New Wave, the gop is definitely for the nra, if they “accidentally” shoot themselves, they usually have insurance or pay cash, not welfare. Gop if pro life-but if you can’t support one, don’t get pregnant! Hard one huh>? Gop is for locking criminals away, and yes, they are NOT for free lunches, again, don’t spit babies out once a year if you can’t support them………Dems are all about entitlement, GOP is not, there’s your difference…..you chose the wrong party to try and defend

Posted by: lyineyes1956 | October 19, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

What’s surprising here?? — The Dems ALWAYS have to have an “evil” to demonize!! — Two years ago it was “Big Oil” — But haven’t heard about them since the election!! — Now it is “Big Insurance” because it matches their legislative agenda!!! — It’s just TOO FUNNY that they can’t point a finger at the GOP (party of NO) anymore!!! — Got ANY unity on the left??? — Doesn’t look like it!!!

Posted by: MidwestValues | October 19, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Blue Dog Democrat = Coward

Posted by: Sandra | October 19, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

“Is the president essentially ‘too nice’ to make the important decisions?”
Oh my God, every week its a new storyline: Is the President trying to do too much? Is the President not doing enough? Is the President too nice?
Here’s my storyline, is America too stupid to deserve Barack Obama?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | Oct 19, 2009 9:36:53 AM
I would say you and your kind are just stupid enough to have him. Good luck with the monster you have created. It will go far past the illusion of health care, but you’ll be the first bleating for a patriot to spill his blood so you can call him ignorant.

Posted by: dillholedemo | October 19, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

so, now the democrats have to throw their own under the bus? guess they realized that reasonable americans weren’t buying the whole “although we have majority control of both houses, it’s the minority party that’s ruining everything for everyone” whining. so, now we add moderate and conservative democrats to the list of evil-doers opposed to obama’s greatness…which list includes, well, anyone and everyone who is not 100% in lockstep with obama and rahm emmanuel. “patriotism” now means you agree with obama on everything. funny, i thought only a year ago it meant that you agreed with bush on everything? and we wonder why people are confused. as has been posted here a trillion times, some people (actually a lot of them) simply don’t think it’s possible for government to provide the same quality care at the same or lower cost. to paraphrase bill clinton, “it’s the cost stupid!”

Posted by: davidfrat21 | October 19, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

The Republicans are going to sway the Publics interest away from Democrats. in other words they are going to Lie, Fear Monger, and Lie, and Twist things, make up stuff, and try to scare the crap out of people. yeah thats it they will do what they do best.

Posted by: Angie in PA | October 19, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Brian no one is trying to censor Fox News, and you are simply toting their neo-con line as if Fox is somehow being victimized. There is no comparison between Fox News (aka Faux News) and legitimate news sources. The fact that Fox News organizes and sponsors right-wing rallies should be proof enough that they are not a credible news source. Free speech is not at all threatened by the President simply not acknowledging the blindingly partisan, fear-mongering, non-credible style of Fox News. In fact, by declining to be a part of their nonsense, he enhances the legitimacy of more credible news outlets.

Posted by: TrueProgressive | October 19, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

I find it interesting that so many people on this thread are so short-sighted. Yes, we do have a big deficit, and a huge national debt. But let us not forget that it was the massive spending on wars and over-deregulation of the financial, housing, and insurance companies that led to a sizable chunk of this debt. The same people who thought it was a great idea to deregulate everything and jump the gun on Iraq are now saying they want control back in 2010. Don’t let them fool you again.

Posted by: TrueProgressive | October 19, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Hey davidfrat21, NEWSFLASH! your precious Republican party has no useful ideas on healthcare, the economy, foreign policy, energy policy, education, or anything else for that matter. Time to start doing some research buddy… Fix the problems or get out of the way.
BTW, you misquoted Bill Clinton. I believe his phrase was “It’s the economy, stupid!” So your whole point was moot.

Posted by: TrueProgressive | October 19, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall when Pelosi and Reid catfight to get their version of the bill enacted!!! — Thank you Blue Dogs for keeping this bill about what’s in the best interest of America, not the Socialist Extreme of your party!!! — I’m afraid any compromise will still be bad for all of us in the long-run!!

Posted by: MidwestValues | October 19, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

The folks on the fringe are just incoherent of reasonable dialogue on this or any issue. The Repubs are bought off by big insurance lobbyists. The “Tea Party” crowd is the new Republican party…Mostly senior Republicans. They oppose health reform and socialised medicine even though they receive a 270% return on their Medicare investments and are socialistically subsidized by taxpayers. The folks who oppose reform do not seem to care about 45000 Americans per year dying due to lack of medical care.

Posted by: reveal5 | October 19, 2009, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Republican administrations produce higher debt and lower wages for the American taxpayer. This is completely true. Republicans, most notably Reagan/Bush and Bush, Jr. have run up the national debt and deficits to an overwhelmingly tremendous extent. Clinton reduced the debt. The Repubs are bad for America and history proves this point. The dems are trying to reform the mmonopolistic trade practices and unfair business practices of health insurance companies which leave Americans to suffer and die. The dems are actually trying to do good for the American consumer and the Repubs are trying to squander this opportunity.

Posted by: reveal5 | October 19, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

The Republican party, in my opinion, is more in need of lobby dollars paid for by Americans’ insurance premium dollars then they are interested in providing affordable, quality healthcare for American voters. They need the money. That is the main interest of Repubs…money, not the American consumer. The American consumer is not at the top of the Republican Party list of important considerations. Money holds that spot.

Posted by: reveal5 | October 19, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Amy in Maine…”It’s becoming more expensive for employers to provide insurance” Yes that is true. The problem is the bills making their way through Congress will make health care more expensive. Sure if you don’t want to work or move up the income ladder you’ll get subsidies or pay a fine until you are sick. But for working Americans this bill will make insurance more expensive and that will mean if you get coverage at work or on your own you’ll have to pay even more for coverage that isn’t as good as the free coverage the immigrants and welfare beneficiaries get. Only in America!

Posted by: WhyAreAmericansStupid | October 19, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Reveal5 —- YOU SAID “the monopolistic trade practices and unfair business practices of health insurance companies” —- Please elaborate!!! — I don’t think you can substantiate this!!! — (Remember, in a capitalist society, the “best” price or product will be rewarded with more customers!)

Posted by: MidwestValues | October 19, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Obama is a SOCIALIST and he wants to end CAPITALISM as we know it. Obama is against any dissent and any criticism he goes after FOX NEW and TUSH LIMBAUGH, if it was up to Obama he would get rid of the Constitution, end all freedoms and declare himself PRESIDENT FOR LIFE this is why he likes CHAVEZ and CASTRO so much, so don’t be to surprised to see major radical changes coming in thext few months. Obama has said he will fundamentally change our system and he has been doing it for the last nine months.

Posted by: wizcat123 | October 19, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

MidwestValues – The monopolistic and unfair business practices of health insurance companies are very real. An ex-insurance company executive even gave congressional testimony about how employees were rewarded and promoted for finding reasons to deny their customers care. If you truly believe that the best price and product will be rewarded, then surely you can agree with regulations that make the “price” (insurance premiums) and “product” (the insurance coverage itself) more readily apparent. As it is now, insurance companies weasel out of paying any way they possibly can.
Are the Midwest values from which you get your name the same values of the insurance companies? I doubt it.

Posted by: TrueProgressive | October 19, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Amy in Maine; You call my thinking twisted. How will people who can’t afford healthcare or healthcare insurance now suddenly be able to pay for healthcare if new legislation is passed? The only answer is they won’t be able to pay for either unless someone gives them money. The only place they can get money is from the government. The government takes the only money they have to give from people like me who earn it. We already have an annual federal government budget deficit of over 1 trillion dollars annually. The projected cost of extending healthcare through the proposed legislation would increase that deficit spending. Right now 20% of our GNP (gross national product…that’s everything the entire country produces expressed in revenue) is being spent by the government. That’s our tax money. It is projected that covering the uninsured will increase government spending to 26% of our GNP. This 30% increase in spending is being proposed at a time when our economy is shrinking. Nothing is being done to control the increasing cost of healthcare. All that’s being done is more people are being covered and therefore more taxes must be collected to cover them. Call me mean spirited if you want. I call it realistic thinking. We simply can’t afford to cover more people without first appreciably reducing costs.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | October 19, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

The dems have the votes to pass anything they want. The trouble is they know where the American people are and want to blame the GOP for not getting a bill. They are desperate to get something before the Nov. elections, because if the GOP win in Virginia and New Jersey, the blue dogs will for sure jump ship….http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Ron Victor | October 19, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Monroelives on, according to the CBO, the healthcare reform bill will reduce the federal deficit by 81 billion over the first ten years.
Currently, if you are insured, you are also paying a portion of the cost of caring for the uninsured, because hospitals pass the cost on to you. The healthcare reform bill will make young people, finally, buy coverage. This will help lower your premiums. THe insurance companies are about to get millions more customers.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | October 19, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Wouldn’t be a problem if we had some LEADERSHIP out of Obama…the disappointer-in-chief. Boy has this guy been unbelievably lacking a back bone (at least for the average American)..however, Wall Street dirtbags love him, Geithner and Summers..what a joke.All of his supporters must be kicking themselves in the behind by now. Yep, change you can believe in right folks? Aah, not so much.

Posted by: mackie | October 19, 2009, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

The idiots that say the insurance industry bought the GOP – really? Just the GOP? Now WHY whould they do that when the voting power is in the Dems.
Besides – if you people actually did your homework, and looked back at the meetings Obammy had at the beginning of the year, you would see that the insurance guys already MADE their deal with the Democrats (just like the Pharmas did). That deal is why all Americans are going to be forced to buy health insurance – because it drives up the profit for the health insurers to accomodate the increased tax they may have to pay under this bill. Geezzzz… sheeple – wake up!

Posted by: clr | October 19, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

haha

Posted by: Ryan | October 19, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

IF THERE IS A FIGHT
Fights amount the Democratic Party means being aware of the United States and its make up but not accepting it. It means being a closet Republican. It means grudgingly reflecting what was held to be true and still asserts that convictions of truth.

Posted by: Roy Goins | October 26, 2009, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

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