By Jacqueline Klingebiel

Oct 31, 2009 9:53am

White House Gears Up for Disappointing Election Day

With Democrats poised to lose the governor's race in Virginia, and to possibly lose the governor's race in New Jersey and a special election for a House seat in New York, the White House has started insisting any pending losses will not have any significance.

"Whatever the results are I don't think they portend a lot in dealing with the future," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters on Friday, pointing to the fact that Democrats won the Virginia and New Jersey governors' races in 2001 despite a very popular President Bush, with Republicans picking up seats in Congress in 2002.

"I think we continue to take the long view on what's going on in Washington and throughout the country," Gibbs said.

In Virginia, Democrat Creigh Deeds trailed Republican Bob McDonnell, 44% to 55%, in the latest Washington Post poll through October 25. Since the early 1970s, the party not in power in the White House has won the Virginia governor's race, and even Democratic supporters of Deeds' have been saying he certainly played a role in this tradition likely being continued on Tuesday.

President Obama will appear at campaign rallies in New Jersey Sunday to help the struggling and unpopular incumbent governor, Jon Corzine, who polls show is in a statistical dead heat with the Republican nominee, former U.S. Attorney Chris Christie.

On Monday, Vice President Joe Biden will appear at a campaign rally in Watertown, N.Y., to help the Democratic candidate in the special election for that New York House seat, Bill Owens, who is in a tight race with Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

One bright spot for Democrats in this tough atmosphere has been infighting among conservatives and Republicans in that House race. The Republican nominee, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, is in third place in many polls, having largely been abandoned by national Republican figures. That Scozzafava is liberal to moderate on some issues — same sex marriage, abortion rights — has angered many in the Republican base, and Hoffman has benefited from that outrage, drawing the endorsements of such GOP stars as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former New York Gov. George Pataki.

One notable exception has been former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., who told Fox News that "this idea that we're suddenly going to establish litmus tests and all across the country we're going to purge the party of anybody who doesn't agree with us 100 percent; that guarantees Obama's reelection, that guarantees Pelosi as Speaker-for-life." Gingrich pointed out that Scozzafava has been endorsed by the National Rifle Association, and opposes Democratic legislation on health care reform and climate change.

President Obama is responsible for the need for a special election in the Upstate New York district, having tapped the former congressman in the district, Rep. John McHugh, R-NY, as his new Army Secretary.

- jpt

UPDATE: Republican nominee for Congress Dede Scozzafava announced Saturday that she has dropped out of the race, according to the Watertown Daily Times.

User Comments

Here in NJ, people are really fed up…unless Acorn or the Black panther party has it’s way, Corzine is OUT !

Posted by: mjishernameo | October 31, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Obama and the Democratic party have had their chance to do the things they were elected to do (bring change, that is) and they’ve failed to step up to the plate. It shouldn’t surprise them that they’re losing the support of the people who voted for them.

Posted by: Michael | October 31, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am

To me, the NY-23 race is pretty meaningless except as an internecine battle among Republicans. And I suspect Corzine will win in NJ because Cristie is so unprinipled and unattractve, but mainly because an incumbentt Dem has outspent the Repub three to one in one of the deepest Blue states in the country.
What will be of most interest to me is the percentage of votes cast for the Dems in NJ and Vrginia.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am

“I think we continue to take the long view on what’s going on in Washington . . ”
No, Robert Gibbs, the White House doesn’t take the long view. If they did, they’d acknowledge the fact that Obama is a far-left president in a center-right country. His ratings and agenda will continue go down, down, down. The only reason is popularity rating remains around 50% is because people don’t like to admit they’ve made a mistake, especially so early in a presidency.

Posted by: Carrie Anne | October 31, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Isn’t it interesting (and telling) that although the Obama Administration says that the results of these elections are pretty meaningless (now that they have realized that the Demons will probably lose)…that even though they are meaningless, Obama is going to campaign in NJ and Biden is going to NY? If the results are “meaningless”, then WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MY MONEY TO GO CAMPAIGN????. Just think of the number of jobs you can create, save, embolden by donating that money to the unions. Or…is it just possible that you are lying again, and that you ARE indeed worried about what these elections are going to say about how the American people feel about YOU?

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Obama is a far-left president in a center-right country.
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Ha! That’s pretty funny. He’s a slightly left of center president with a moderate streak in a mostly independent country that remains evenly split between left and right leaning people though there are entrenched corporate interests with money to spend, we do tend to get feisty when the economy isn’t doing well and there is a noisy far-right conservative basegroup that the GOP and Fox News exploits. IMO, the far-right wing speaks to the urgent need for better education in this country, particularly when it comes to logic, reasoning, reading comprehension, history and economic principles. But we’re all entitled to our opinions, and that remains one of the great things about our country.
I agree with Gibbs that the President should be focused on the long view. I don’t think these elections portend a lot in dealing with the future either, though the New Jersey could potentially foreshadow an wingdinger of a right wing showdown. We’ll see…

Posted by: Alyson | October 31, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

Are they joking? These elections are a DIRECT RESPONSE to the President and Congress on the way the country feels about the direction they are taking this country!! Do you think you can tell people their complaints about spending and the way they are passing bills are not legitimate and think they will say “OK”? We are responding with the cast of our ballots. And before I hear about being a “Right Winger”, I want to let you know I am a Democrat. But that doesn’t make me a stupid sheep. Keep this up and I will switch to being an Independent.

Posted by: WhatAJoke | October 31, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Alyson, if you truly believe that Obama is “slightly left of center”, then I guess you think that Beck is slightly right of center? Obama is probably the most far left of center president that this country has ever had. And that includes Jimmy Carter. If that is “slightly left of center”, i sure hope that I never drive on the same highways as you do….good grief, you’ll be in my lane, hit me head on, and claim that it was my fault for being in my lane……..but as you say….we’ll see. And Happy Halloween to you.

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Corzine and Owens will win. What, then jake? So much for your story line.

Posted by: dem in chicago | October 31, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Anyone who can believe the Snake oil GOP -After 8 years of The Bush Cheney “Lets start some War’s for Profit”– Based on Phony Intel – Lies – Rove inspired Goebbell’s style Propaganda — Exaggerated Threats — No WMD’s — Billion Dollar no bid contracts To Cheney’s Halliburton – and Billions to The Bush’s Carlyle Group – The Republicants took the Greatest Surplus in American History (left By Clinton)- And managed to leave Obama, and the rest of us, With Two Unecessary wars, and the Greatest financial Crisis since the Great Depression– And who can forget their Tax cuts for the Upper 3%- I am an Independent but I wouldn’t let the Party of No sell me a used car– They are Obstructionists – placing party above Country — The Only thing they are interested in is Reelection- And the only people they are beholden to are their Corporate Masters– Big Oil/Defense/Insurance?Pharmaceuticals–
GOP—-The “Got Our Payola” Party!!!

Posted by: brian | October 31, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Right . . . the long view. The long view is to vote every one of those leftist Democrats out of office.

Posted by: rplat | October 31, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am

If ever there was a time to clean out congress, both house and senate) in addition to the state elections, it is NOW!

Posted by: cfiman | October 31, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Your post just screams that you’re an independent. I’m not sure why you thought you even needed to tell us that.

Posted by: jennifert7 | October 31, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am

dem in Chicago…what makes you think Owens and Corzine will win? Is it wishful thinking, or do you work for ACORN and the Black Panthers and know of the tactics being planned? Heck, NY Dems are already starting to raise the “Unfair Ballots” issue, even though the election is 3 days away……..So…what is YOUR insight that puts your knowledge above ALL of the polls (liberan and conservative polls)? I think you look at politics as a football game and are merely a cheerleader……

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am

i sure hope that I never drive on the same highways as you do….good grief, you’ll be in my lane, hit me head on, and claim that it was my fault for being in my lane……..but as you say….we’ll see. And Happy Halloween to you.
Posted by: ncpilot10 | Oct 31, 2009 10:51:58 AM
The right keeps pulling things further and further to the right on the spectrum. There may be some issues that he’s further to the left than you like, but overall, yep, he’s just slightly left of center. The problem is that the right wingers think that on a six lane highway, five lanes are theirs. Doesn’t work that way. Look at the world, peeps. Look at the world and gain some perspective on the left-right spectrum.
Happy Halloween to you, too, btw :>)

Posted by: Alyson | October 31, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Ain’t it grand!!! Dems losing!!! Hooray! If the WH is disappointed now just think how disappointed they will be in 2010 and 2012!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lovingpolitics | October 31, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

and brian….CLAIMING to be “an independent” while shouting out the Democratic Party lines….sort of disingeneous, don’t you think? A wolf in sheep’s clothing, perhaps? History and civics lesson for you, my friend: Bush did NOT start any wars by himself. He had the backing of over 95% of Congress and the American people. He had the backing of over 90% of the world. If you would bother to read the UN Security Council resolutions concerning Hussein’s responsibilities (to the world) that HE agreed to, then you might see beyond your anti-GOP hyperbole. But don’t bother to research….it’s easier to recite talking points over and over in hopes that that will make them true. But, please….don’t even TRY to claim to be an independent if you are going to turn a blind eye to the faults of the Democratic party

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

The American taxpayers have decided it is time for REAl CHANGE! Get ready for 2010. Blow out CONgress! Get rid of all the crooked politicians. Then gear up for 2012. The American citizens will no longer tolerate the thuggery that occured in the last election.

Posted by: bo | October 31, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Thank you ma’am. But we must be looking at the highway of life from different perspectives. A president of ANY nation that desires to interject government take over of the country’s fiscal system, that wants to redistribute wealth…and also redistribute health. A leader that appoints sub leaders (czars) and gives them as much power as the Constitution gives to cabinet members….a leader that wishes to nationalize banking…that wants to squash the free press (if they publish unflattering content)…..sorry, but to me, that is FAR LEFT. And that is not what I spilled my blood for. His words during his campaigh: “This is the greatest country in the world….join me and help me change it!”….i thought that was just a silly slip of the tongue…i shudder now, because that is exactly what he meant…..

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Jennifer7…was your post directed at me? because if it was, I’m a Democrat, not an Independent (learn to read better). And the reason I felt a need to ‘tell you’ is because, as your post demonstrates, there has been a change in many Democrat’s thought process lately that if you don’t ooh and ahh about the politicians that represent our party, then you’re not really a Democrat! Wrong!! An arrogant idiot is an arrogant idiot, whether Democrat or Repub, but that doesn’t mean I have to vote for them. Or say ‘ooh’ and ‘ahh’ when they make my party look bad!

Posted by: WhatAJoke | October 31, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

CLAIMING to be “an independent”
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Just an FYI, though it may not seem that way to folks if they’re operating within a given bubble, many independents ARE anti-GOP. Some are also anti-Dem, some are anti-either major party. But it’s pretty clear from all polling that the GOP isn’t very popular right now.
Can’t speak for Brian, but I do know a lot of progressive independents– some vote Green, some vote Dem more often than Republican, some can’t stand the GOP. Conservatives and mods don’t own the independent label.

Posted by: Alyson | October 31, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Jennifer7…and if it wasn’t directed at me, I apologize…you wounldn’t believe how many people have said I couldn’t be a real Democrat if I criticized my party!

Posted by: jennifer7 | October 31, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

True enough, Alyson….but if you are truly “independent”, as many are, then, by definition, you turn away from the ideologs of either main party, and think for yourself. THAT is what is so frightening to the Democrats and Republicans right now. So, to claim to be “independent” just because you hate the label of Liberal of Conservative, is just dishonest, yet you still shout out the liberal or conservative talking points…well, that’s just plain dishonest. And I think you are going to be quite surprised Tuesday to see which way the true independents cast their votes.

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Posted by: ncpilot10 | Oct 31, 2009 11:10:31 AM
So Bush was a leftie– see czars, the season of the Bailout in 2008, see Bush’s relationship with outlets of the so-called “liberal” media… ?
Very interesting world view.

Posted by: Alyson | October 31, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

America is a country in trouble. I pity American children because for the first time, the quality of life is going down and the rich 5% are getting richer. All the economic growth is fueled by debt to chinese and the arabs. Even cash for crankers was spreading the debt between the government and the car buyer.
I was in Walmart and Target and noticed that nothing is made in North America anymore. And the big worry here is about who is governor not the future of the country.
All countries with public health system (including canada have swine flu vaccinations) while USA can not make enough to even cover the most likely to get sick. At what stage do Americans decide that they are tired of being divided by the rich ( Rupert Mudorch)since as their lives deteriorates, the Mudorchs and the Waltons are laughing all the way to the bank. What significant change will occur in your life if the governor of New Jersey is a democrate or a republican.
I am truly sad for the future of this country if our thoughts are to be shaped by Fox or NBC news. We might as well close shop and hang a sign saying ” destroyed country..we could think for ourselves”.

Posted by: Mwendwa | October 31, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

If people believe in no accountable government vote republican. If they like the thought of people being unemployed, vote republican. If they believe in hedge funds, credit default swaps, derivatives, speculators, and speculation, vote republican. If they believe in tax breaks for the wealthy, vote republican. If they believe in bailouts and no bid contracts, vote republican. If you want to fix the health care system vote democratic. IF you want to restore integrity to the markets, vote democratic. If you want to put people back to work vote democratic. The choices are the party of “no” or the party of “go”.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Sorry Alyson…in my opinion, yes, Bush was a “leftie”….He was a Republican, but ran a liberal fiscal policy. I know the lefties don’t like that, but that is one of the main reasons that so many in the GOP felt that he abandoned our conservative principals….I think my world views are sound

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am

and alyson…bush never tried to censor the left wing media. He never acted in such a sophomoric way as our current president is doing. And even though he was lambasted by the media at almost every turn, he did not try to exclude ANY of the media from his White House…

Posted by: ncpilot10 | October 31, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am

The results are in on republican control. This Nation used to be World Class Everything. The United States sent the standards others where measured by. The republicans have lead this nation to third world status and brought poverty to this Great nation. I say we outsource their jobs to democrats.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

ncpilot 10 Said: “Bush was a “leftie”….He was a Republican, but ran a liberal fiscal policy.”
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LMAO! …………….. yeah, but all the “righties” voted for him, not once, but TWICE…LOL.
I think it was because he was soooo religious…. LOL. Forget the “fiscal conservatism”, the republican party doesn’t HAVE any grounds to claim that any more (as evident by your post ncpilot). The republican party’s platform is now “religious conservatism”…. just like Al Qaeda, just a differnt book.
…hehehehe

Posted by: X-Republican Because of Bush | October 31, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Well the Democrats give voters no choice. It’s hard left wing ideology all the way. Unless due for an election, then the conservative talk starts. Obama and his ilk are as extreme liberal as the media claims every Republican is “right wing.” Who’s a bigger lefty than Obama? There isn’t one and yet the mainstream media never labels him as extreme. No bias there…ha!

Posted by: Me | October 31, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

I think the republicans are in for a big surprise. They have been thrown out of office as fast as the election process will allow. More than 60% of the nation want strong public health care and the republicans have blocked it lock step all the way. The tea party attendees have for the most part brought out the nut cases and attendance at all of them has been less than 1% of the population within a 10 mile radius and dropping. I think there is going to be a slaughter of republicans in these races. If it happens the republicans that are left will be dropping the Souths ideology like a steaming pile of excrement.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

“Whatever the results are I don’t think they portend a lot in dealing with the future…” says Robert Gibbs. Get the spinning started early. Keep shoving the extreme agenda down Americas’ throat. That will portend a lot for the Democrats.

Posted by: Me Again | October 31, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Why would Election Day be disappointing for Democrats? They’ve brought us the Utopia we have today!
Oh wait.

Posted by: Jenn | October 31, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

The republicans have been losing races all over the country since their IT guru died in a plane crash. Same guy was being questioned about how bush got 6000 votes in an Ohio district with less than 1000 voters registered in the 2004 election. Hit a flag pole in his private plane. Act of defiance or act of justice?? Interesting story. Do a search for, “republican IT guru dies in plane crash”. ACORN couldn’t hold a candle to this one.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

America ia awakening! The Democrat Socialist Party with its arrogance and its leftist agenda has started a counter revolution by the middle class, the working class, the ones that contribute to the greatness of what America has been. Obama, a partisan, a charlatan marxist celebrity is taking our country in the wrong direction and now is the time to make a U-turn.

Posted by: wizcat123 | October 31, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

If you want to put people back to work vote democratic. The choices are the party of “no” or the party of “go”.
Posted by: rightbehind | Oct 31, 2009 11:19:29 AM
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Hate to burst your bubble, but 8 out of the top 10 states with the highest unemployment voted Democrat.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am

rightbehind – So you are one of the zombies that falls rightbehind Obama’s socialist policies, you need to change to leftbehind, the left for marxist and the behind for rectum!

Posted by: wizcat123 | October 31, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am

“The tea party attendees have for the most part brought out the nut cases and attendance at all of them has been less than 1% of the population within a 10 mile radius and dropping.”
LOL! The tea parties are LARGER THAN EVER, bringing in more people who have never before been politically active…across the political spectrum. Rallies in my area consist of 40% Democrats. The rallies are much larger than Obama’s own astroturf rallies, not that the media reports that little fact.

Posted by: Jenn | October 31, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Another Great day approaches! An opportunity to throw more republicans out of office! Isn’t this a Great Country or What!

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Down with the Democrat Socialist Party!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wizcat123 | October 31, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am

If disappointed they will blame it on “calculator abuse” or global warming! This bunch has an answer for everything!
How many lies must a man be told
Before he searches for truth?
How much freedom must be lost
‘Til we storm the polling booth?
How much money can the congress spend
Before it ransoms our youth?
The answer my friend, is blowin’ in the wind
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 31, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am

God i really do hope they vote the Obama nuts OUT!!!!

Posted by: candobetter | October 31, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

These comments are funny. I have never seen so many spinners accuse other spinners of spinning.

Posted by: jock59801 | October 31, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Gibbs says…”I think we continue to take the long view on what’s going on in Washington and throughout the country,”…Ya, collapsing America’s economic system and spending our children’s future away.

Posted by: Spending Mania | October 31, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

I’ll be glad to see Gibbs gone! He is an annoying man!

Posted by: tammy | October 31, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Principle over Party needs to be the new motto!…Newt, you are too stuck on the Party bandwagon.

Posted by: Principle | October 31, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Obama didn’t try to censor Fox either. His admin called a spade a spade. I find that honest. And I loved Jon Stewart’s skewering of the issue in a segment called “What the Fox?” Lol.
Posted by: Alyson | Oct 31, 2009 11:30:59 AM
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Really? Then why did the other networks give the Whitehouse the ultimatum that if Fox wasn’t invited to an interview, no one else would cover it?
Gitmo detainees are receiving H1N1 vaccinations, but we don’t have enough in the States for our own people. Rationing?

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

With economic recovery on shaky ground and the deficit mounting sky high, election losses will be no surprise.

Posted by: gjkotw01 | October 31, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Posted by X-Repub – Jan ’09, Bush # 2 to Clinton, NUR=7.6%
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Oct ’09 Obama 9.8%
Enough said.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Obama and the Dems have been in office for 10 months have done nothing …Obama hasn’t even acted like a President he ‘s still campaigning..LOL ..I just hope this country can withstand what he’s trying to do to america..More and more american’s are wakeing up to what they voted for …

Posted by: candobetter | October 31, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

Wait til 2010 when obama gets his education on the mid term elections. No more chicago thugs and liars.

Posted by: John | October 31, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Hopefully both parties will do terribly. Chances of that happening = 0%.

Posted by: Huh | October 31, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

wheresmymoneysaid: “Oct ’09 Obama 9.8%, enough said”
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LOL ….. it took 8 LONG years for unemployment to go from 3.9% (January 2001, what the Unemployment Rate was when Clinton handed the White House over to Bush)to 7.6% (the NUR when Bush handed the White House over to Obama)… But of course, “NOW”, the right-whiners expect that it should be turned around within 9 months….LMAO.
Clearly wheresmymoney never took even a basic economics class, as you don’t seem to understand the difference between “leading” and “lagging” economic indicators…. i.e., unemployment being the # 1 “lagging” indicator.

Posted by: X-Republican Because of Bush | October 31, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

People can either vote for a President that wants to put people back to work or they can vote with the party of no, concessions, outsourcing, credit default swaps, hedge funds, derivatives, tax breaks for the wealthy, speculators, speculation, and bailouts. 18 more republican senate seats on the ballot in 2010. Let the games begin!

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

“leading’ and “lagging”….LOL.. Nice Try, we are not talking a “corporation” we are talking a COUNTRY.. But….Wait For It….As they say….THE NIGHT IS YOUNG…

Posted by: Parallex View | October 31, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Hopefully tuesday is the beginning of the american people taking our country back ..We need to vote every single one of them out …We need people that wants to work for the american people not for thugs and lobbyist …It’s all a game to them and the american people pay the price …

Posted by: candobetter | October 31, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Clearly wheresmymoney never took even a basic economics class, as you don’t seem to understand the difference between “leading” and “lagging” economic indicators…. i.e., unemployment being the # 1 “lagging” indicator.
Posted by: X-Republican Because of Bush | Oct 31, 2009 12:32:51 PM
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Oh, I understand. I also understand the #1 “leading” indicator is Bond Rates, and they are DOWN.
I also understand that a strong “coincident idicator” is high personal income rates. They will coincide with a strong economy. We ALL know Obama’s view on high personal income rates.
Which will bring us full circle to the “lagging.” Obama fully expects the unemployment to rise above 10%

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

The results are in on republican control.
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What was the unemployment rate when Republicans last had control of Congress?
Obviously, the Republicans spent too much…but they haven’t controlled Congress in almost 3 years. Bush has been out of office 9 months.
How long can Democrats go without claiming responsibility for something?
In my view, election results have shown people are fed up with fiscal insanity no matter who is doing it. Obama and the Dem-led Senate and House would be wise to remember that.

Posted by: MayBee | October 31, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

I’m from NJ, and the polls here show a tight race. NJ news media pointed out that if Daggett, an Indy, gets more than 15% of the vote, it’s likely Corzine will win. If Daggett gets 13% or less, then Christie will win.
Both Corzine and Christie are not really that popular, given both are running mostly smear campaigns. Even during the debate, they were throwing smears at each other, while Daggett remain focus on the issues.
Meh. I’m really sick of *both* parties in my state as of now. Even though I know Daggett will not win, I will most likely vote for him due that least he was honest during the debate. The other two are acting like gorillas pounding their chests.

Posted by: GWP | October 31, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

I also wonder whether there fallout from liberals toward Obama and the White House (who have again chosen to dither, stand on the sidelines, and vote present), should Question 1 in Maine and Referendum 71 in State of Washington return traditional marriage laws to these states.

Posted by: Tastes Like Chicken | October 31, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Oh my I am so shocked. I fear there will be more disappointments as the people wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: Steve | October 31, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

“Whatever the results are I don’t think they portend a lot in dealing with the future,”
LOL, and if a Democrat happens to win one of those three contests Mr. Gibbs will surely be out there stating that it’s a strong endorsement of the current administration’s policies. Too bad we can’t vote on WH press secretaries.

Posted by: ainnj | October 31, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Going from memory alone, I believe that when the Repubs last controlled the congress (and Bush was president), the unemployment rate was under 5%.
I’m curious to know exactly which Republicans the goofballs expect to see thrown out of office on Tuesday. Could you please provide a list of their names?

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

If you believe that freedom is lining a health care ceo’s pocket vote republican.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Scozzafava did the right thing and dropped out.
If Hoffman can pull this out it will not only send a message to Obama but to the Republican Party too.
Act like a Republican–small government,
stop wasteful spending, protect our freedom, stay out of bed with CEO’s.
In other words quit acting like Obama.
We don’t want Obama or Obama-lite.
We’ll vote you out.

Posted by: millie | October 31, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Actually conflict in the Republican Party is a good thing. It will improve the party and make it stronger.

Posted by: debra congram | October 31, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

Why can’t AMERICA have patience? It took Reagan almost 4 years to turn it around, America will be so sorry if they turn away from the DEM’s now.
The GOP put the country into Bankruptcy
in the first place. It will take, the DEMS to get the country out of this mess. Have patience America!

Posted by: Robert from Toronto | October 31, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

At the end of bush’s term he left the country on the verge of complete financial failure. They were ready to declare marshal law on the congress unless the financial sector was given bailouts. The results were in after 11 and a half years of republican control. Capitalism works for the few. Not the many. 18 more republican senate seats on the ballot in 2010. Lets send them all packing.

Posted by: rightbehind | October 31, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

The Repubs could not have screwed up the economy without the help of Congress controlled by Democrats since 2006.
And I do believe a certain Senator was also in that congress–Obama.
What did he do to stop Fannie and Freddie?

Posted by: ollie | October 31, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Yes the pending elections are so insignificant that Biden and Obama are making a last ditch effort to bring out voters.
Obama is so not worried that he’s going back to New Jersey AGAIN on Sunday.
We’ll hear his fake folksy accent and worn out slogans. But it’s more to save himself than Corzine.

Posted by: tyler | October 31, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

When Obama is getting ready to tell a whopper he stutters.
Gibbs gets that “I smell something stinky” look.
The funny thing is–they think people are still buying it.

Posted by: kyle | October 31, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Message to the DNC. Many people, like myself, were so disappointed with the way Bush and the GOP congress governed, we went and supported the Democrats.
Unlike the bipartisanship they promised, Pelosi, Reid and crew make up bills by closed doors and then ask the GOP to support them so its bi-partisanship! That is not bi-partisanship.
The moderates and independents are watching them closely as they govern and I am very upset with the way they have been governing.
At this point, I would love to see the balance of power in at least one congressional chamber shift. If the house was divided, then there would be more compromises and centrists positions like we had wiht Clinton.
Time for divided control of Congress and the WH again.

Posted by: scott jeffries | October 31, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Ditto Scott’s comments:
Mr President, you ran on a platform of bi-partisanship. Is that what the Public Option in the House bill represents. I could not have been more disappointed than I was in Bush. Obama looked so promising. What a major bummer. And I guess balancing the mix in Congress so we don’t have too many Democrats is, in fact needed. It forces bi-partisanship. Otherwise, it is painfully apparent that neither party alone will get away from representing 50 percent of Americans. And that just won’t cut it.

Posted by: dbc | October 31, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

NY-23 is a warning to all RINO’s.
Sczzafava was so liberal she was actually endorsed by the Daily Kos.
What an honor for a so called Republican.
Kudos to Sarah Palin and the tea partiers.
They endorsed Hoffman-the conservative candidate when he was in a distant third place.
Hoffman is a regular guy untainted by the corruption on Washington–and best of all he stands by his principals.

Posted by: bailey | October 31, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Capitalism works for the few. Not the many. 18 more republican senate seats on the ballot in 2010. Lets send them all packing.
Posted by: rightbehind | Oct 31, 2009 1:39:09 PM
*******
Capitalism has worked VERY well for over 200 years. Get a job.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Will Obama allow MSM to report on these elections when the Republicans win?

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Alot of comments from people that don’t even live in NY. LMAO

Posted by: jon jay v | October 31, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

While I have not been totally happy with the Democrats, I do prefer their plans to the GOP’s. Oops, I forgot…they don’t have any. “No” is not a plan. Thier tea bags are empty. Whether it comes to health care reform, global warming, helping those struggling with the economy, hate crimes, whatever…the message from the Republicans is clear. They just don’t care. Period. Call me silly, but I’m still glowing in the freedom from the arrogant oppressive Bush regime.

Posted by: Lee Bowman | October 31, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

Sarah Palin is a brainless twit!

Posted by: jobi | October 31, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

I never get tired of liberals who recite the usual mantra, “the republicans have no plan; they’re the party of no”. Not only is that completely incorrect, its absolutely moronic. Since when should I trust a lib to tell me what the right is or isn’t doing? The republicans have had quite a few plans; all of them simple market-based changes that would immediately improve the current system and reduce costs. Most of them would fit on a single sheet of paper, cost virtually nothing, and would probably pass with 80% support. But that’s not what Obama wants! No the pro(re)regressives amongst us want to force the 1,990 page bill down our throats. It’ll cost a buttload of money we don’t have, they exempt themselves from the plan, and it contains several controversial (and unconstitutional) components. But since when was the constitution anything but an impediment to a liberal?

Posted by: jrobinson | October 31, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

367 Days until Democrat Judgment Day… This coming Tuesday is just a peek at what’s gonna happen.
Hey, Obama, you better that “LAME DUCK” sign that you’ll be wearing around your neck for the LAST two years of your “flash in the pants” administration ready.
LOL!!

Posted by: Fed_up_with_BOTH_Parties | October 31, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Americans have a very short memory. Bush and the Republicans trashed America, now they are hoping to get back into office. If you get sick and don’t have insurance just stay away from the emergency room. Republicans would rather have you die than see Health Insurance CEOs take home less than $24 million pay windfall.

Posted by: JOACHAM | October 31, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

I am 63 years and have been out of work for 6 months and I had to go on Social Security. The best thing that Congress can do is to fix all the fraud that is in the Medicare and Medicad Programs and use those savings to pay for their new Health Plan instead of raising taxes on anyone.

Posted by: jsietz | October 31, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

If there was any argument for term
limits, we have it now. Anyone in
office should not be able to serve
more than two terms. Does not matter
what their party affiliations are or
what they accomplish. With a country
of 300+ million people, I find it hard
to believe we have to fall back on
the same old few all the time. Maybe
they would do the right thing instead
of spending their time lining their
pockets and working to keep that
cushy job. That way they would also have
to live by the crap they drop on everyone else. They are immune from
most things have to suffer thru and if
they had to go back and get a real job
they may take a second look at all the
pie in the sky ideas they have.

Posted by: wis134 | October 31, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

I do prefer their plans to the GOP’s. Oops, I forgot…they don’t have any. “No” is not a plan.
Posted by: Lee Bowman | Oct 31, 2009 2:34:06 PM
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Rep. Paul Ryan has one posted on his website. There are 7 more. You just have to look because Obama and Pelosi and the rest of the Dem’s don’t want you to think there are any. Spreading misinformation is becoming the norm for the libs, and that includes you.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

While I have not been totally happy with the Democrats, I do prefer their plans to the GOP’s. Oops, I forgot…they don’t have any…
___________
Good point. I love the folks who say “act like a Republican”– lol!! What does that mean in this millenium? Start an unnecessary war, borrow money from China, run up the deficit by giving out tax cuts to rich people without corresponding cuts in spending, endorse torture but pretend it’s not torture, smear anyone moderate or liberal, sift out the RINO’s, talk about being Christian while failing to heal the sick or help the poor, pretend that the ignorant and overwrought Americans are the “real” Americans?
Conservatives don’t like the Party of No thing because the truth hurts. Yet, they can supposedly fit all their simple-minded plans on one page in large print, jrobinson, and that proves they’re not the party of no and that they have better ideas??
Whatever.
I guess it’s the day for goofbombs and tricks, so y’all should have fun.

Posted by: Olivia | October 31, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Lib BS exposed; edition 1:
The Bush Cheney “Lets start some War’s for Profit”– Based on Phony Intel
How exactly did we profit from this? The intel wasn’t phony, unless we manufactured intel for every other country as well.
Rove inspired Goebbell’s style Propaganda
How is it that whenever a republican admin defends itself, its propaganda… but Obama can indoctrinate school kids, use NEA grants for actual propaganda and you don’t even notice?
Billion Dollar no bid contracts To Cheney’s Halliburton
Obama has closer ties to ACORN than Cheyney ever did to Haliburton.
Billions to The Bush’s Carlyle Group
Sorry, but the carlyle group is largely comprised of democrats; and most of Obama’s admin has members from the group serving.
The Republicants took the Greatest Surplus in American History (left By Clinton)
The surplus is the biggest political myth of the 20th century. It never existed. It was a slight surplus in a 15-year projection that didn’t include 2 wars, a terror attack, the internet bubble bursting, and the housing bubble bursting. Liberal wishful thinking, that’s all.
And managed to leave Obama, and the rest of us, With Two Unecessary wars, and the Greatest financial Crisis since the Great Depression
Yes, and it happened after the democrats took control of the spending in 2006.
And who can forget their Tax cuts for the Upper 3%
Nice class warfare. I can’t forget my tax cut; I paid my car insurance with it.
And the only people they are beholden to are their Corporate Masters– Big Oil/Defense/Insurance?Pharmaceuticals
Don’t look now, but Obama just finished writing the healthcare bill behind closed doors with these same corporate masters.
Get a life; stop trusting the spin from the left and all the tiresome cliches.

Posted by: jrobinson | October 31, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

If you get sick and don’t have insurance just stay away from the emergency room. Republicans would rather have you die than see Health Insurance CEOs take home less than $24 million pay windfall.
Posted by: JOACHAM | Oct 31, 2009 2:49:31 PM
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You cannot be refused treatment at an emergency room, regardless of your ability to pay. Insurance Companies average 5% profit annually. There will be more earmarks in the Dems healthcare reform bill than that.
In the Reid plan, Doctor’s who are in the top 10% billing of Medicare will have to pay penalties. This will CUT care to Seniors, because Doctor’s won’t want to pay. So it is the Dems that would rather see you die.
Please try and print something true if you are posting.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

JOACHAM – You said “Americans have a very short memory. Bush and the Republicans trashed America, now they are hoping to get back into office.”
Hey, it worked for the Democrats last year… Americans forgot what a JOKE of a President the Democrat Party stood up in front of us back in 1992.
Of course, in 1992, MOST of Obama’s voters were barely out of diapers, looking forward to starting Kindergarten.

Posted by: Fed_up_with_BOTH_Parties | October 31, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

“Obama has closer ties to ACORN than Cheyney ever did to Haliburton.”
____________________________________
You’re going to have to not post nonsense like this if you want people to take your posts seriously.
Cheney was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. You can’t get any closer than that.
Seek the truth, not nonsense.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

I know it’s the day for goofbombs and tricks, but c’mon, dude. Do your research (and read the wriggling quotes made by Repugs.) It’s the Repugs that say they don’t have a plan the caucus agrees upon. 136 days and counting since the Republicans promised to put a single, caucus-backed plan together to present to the American people….
Posted by: Olivia | Oct 31, 2009 3:05:33 PM
*******
I gave you Paul Ryan’s name. Did you choose to ignore it? Will you go to his website and see for yourself, or will you just follow the Dems lead and chant that there aren’t any?
Today, John Boehner read a 787 word reform that would actually work without killing our economy.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 31, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Anyone who says the GOP has no plans is simply a fool. Read the text of Boener’ statement today and think again. About 600 words that make far more sense than Nancy Pelosi’s 1,900 pages.
The serfs and yokels are celebrating their coming servitude. But then they’ve always lived in fear of having to decide things for themsleves, and they’ve always believed that the government will do a better job than free people can. A solid century of conclusive evidence to the contrary does not faze them.
If you have the soul of a serf, then a serf you will always be. And the Democratic party will welcome you.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

Tierra: Cheyney was on the board of Halliburton until 2000. That’s it. Obama worked as a lead council for ACORN through most of the 90s. In one particular affair, the group threatened to sue Chase because they weren’t offering enough “minority loans”. ACORN would send its brownshirts out to intimidate the CEOs at their homes and in public with a giant inflatable red rat. And then, Obama would walk in the front door and negotiate a settlement to avoid a lawsuit… which usually involved more loans to people who can’t afford it… which helped precipitate the housing collapse.
Cheyney was just on the board. that’s all. What did he actually DO? Obama was an active participant in the shakedowns. Also note that old habits die hard: remember how ACORN just did the same thing to AIG execs (with the infamous red rat again) so Obama could get all the CEOs together and say, “I’m the only one standing between you and the pitchforks”.
It’s the same shakedown.
And if you’re really going to keep peddling this sinister Haliburton nonsense, than you have to explain why Obama is using Haliburton just as much as Bush.

Posted by: jrobinson | October 31, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

If the republicans win a single thing in the election it will not only be a travesty and a disappointment, but a truly heart breaking event.

Posted by: Real Liberal | October 31, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

“In all three elections Tuesday the Democrat is going to run ten to twenty points behind Obama’s share a year ago.
“That is dramatic decay for a brand in 12 months.”
–Newt Gingrich
Some of the brighter serfs have discovered that they’ve been had.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

“Cheyney was just on the board. that’s all.”
_________________________________
First of all you should learn to spell his name correctly if you’re going to profess to know so much about him.
Cheney was CHAIRMAN of the board, AND Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000.
You might want to look up “Chief Executive Office” so you can speak with more knowledge.
Do you have any idea of how much Cheney was paid out by Halliburton when he went directly from being CEO of that company to VP?

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Blame Bush .

Posted by: nat turner | October 31, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

I gave you Paul Ryan’s name. Did you choose to ignore it? Will you go to his website and see for yourself, or will you just follow the Dems lead and chant that there aren’t any?
Today, John Boehner read a 787 word reform that would actually work without killing our economy.
Posted by: wheresmymoney | Oct 31, 2009 3:14:49 PM
I’m looking for the caucus-backed plan that was promised, not Paul Ryan’s plan, unless he’s managed to pull together caucus backing. Not a plan here and a plan there with no traction. That part is easy as pie. Dems have tons of them. A caucus-backed plan. A bill. Or is that too difficult for the lame-brains to understand. (Don’t answer where’s my money, I’ve read plenty of your posts- I know it’s above your general comp levels.) I’ll see if Boner makes sense. If Boner actually has a plan and it goes online for 72 hours, then, finally, he met his promise– though he was backing down from scrutiny of a written bill a few days ago.

Posted by: Olivia | October 31, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Robert “Baghdad Bob” Gibbs. It fits.

Posted by: TParty4USA | October 31, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Pure capitalism has not been promoted since Reagan term. What we have had since is corrupt corporations partnered to a corrupt government of 2 currupt parties.
We need non-lawyer, common citizens replacing these control freaks and get it back to “We the People”.
Free the free market of the corrupt strings of bondage of the state.
We now have the folks that caused the current crises “fixing it” and actually creating more crisis and corruption.
Replace them ALL…2010 and 2012!

Posted by: Stymee | October 31, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Go to Google. Type in Center for Responsive Politics. Then type in the name of any one in Congress. When you do you can find who is bribing your congressional representative.
Everyone opposed to a public option – Joe Lieberman, Olympia Snowe, Mike Pense, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, Joe Wilson, Orrin Hatch, John McCain – to name a few – every single opponent gets generous campaing contributions AKA bribery money from private health insurance companies and big/pharma.
These people even rob Medicare Advantage to get campaign contributions. Every time you see a TV commerical against Obama-care – remember, you are paying for that commercial. Remember to that every time you or your employer pays your health insurance premium, you are supporting lobbyists and giving politicians on the Hill a generous campaign contribution. When the CEO, the Wall Street bankers and investors, the K Street lobbyists and the politicans on the Hill get their cut – what’s left goes to your health care.
Since 2010 is an election year, expect your health insurance premiums to sky rock – and at the same time, expect your benefits to get slashed.
The good news is this. You don’t have to put up with this form of extortion and robbery. That’s the reason this country needs Obama-care AKA a public option.

Posted by: William Joseph Miller | October 31, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

If the republicans win a single thing in the election it will not only be a travesty and a disappointment, but a truly heart breaking event.
Posted by: Real Liberal | Oct 31, 2009 3:24:07 PM
I like how you protest too much in hopes that gullible conservatives will believe you’re a “real” liberal. Whatever. In reality land where progressives and actual liberals live, it won’t be a disappointment. It’s expected. What’s intriguing is that the patients are taking over the asylum– see NY (good news for 2012 if it continues)– and that Corzine is running neck and neck despite his unpopularity.

Posted by: Olivia | October 31, 2009, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

This is nothing compared to the change in Congress that will happen in 2010..Tired of corruption and radical cr#p. Congress calling people names because they attend tea parties or town hall meetings. Forgetting who pays their salary and the people they represent will bring reprecussions. They need to enjoy what’s left of this term.

Posted by: bailedout2 | October 31, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Olivia: Its people like you who are ruining our party. We can’t afford to lose anything at this point and the thought of the 2010 election scares me to death.

Posted by: Real Liberal | October 31, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Olivia: Its people like you who are ruining our party. We can’t afford to lose anything at this point and the thought of the 2010 election scares me to death.
Posted by: Real Liberal | Oct 31, 2009 4:05:42 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Nice trix.
Here’s a pointer: the “scared to death” thing is your tell. Every chickenheart I know is a conservative.

Posted by: Olivia | October 31, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Tierra, here’s the truth: I don’t care about Che(y)ney. I don’t care how to spell his name correctly. I don’t care what boards he served on or didn’t. That was old old old news. And I didn’t care when it was news. What I am trying to say is where is the operative connection? What did Cheney DO? Let me guess: he invented US and worldwide intelligence and so we would invade Afghanistan to enrich a company he had to divest from when he became VP?
Then explain why we are still there NOW. Explain why Obama called it “the right war”. Who’s the real chickenhawk?
Obama’s connection with ACORN as lead council is an operational one. Not only did he perfect many of his skills during this era, he uses them to this very day. That AIG/red rat/ACORN affair was just last August.
You trot out this worn-out cheney haliburton crap because its all you got. And like a comfortable old shoe, you return to it to feel more in control like you did the last 8 years.
The real truth is there’s nothing sinister going on. Just your basic government inbred idiocy. You libs seized upon this connection to tar and feather Bush, that’s all. Remember BDS?
None of your predictions ever came true; (where’s that afghan pipeline?) None of your connections could really ever be explained – that’s why, years later, it is obviously crap.
You still can’t explain to me why Haliburton is still working for Obama. Hell, XE (formerly blackwater) was security for Hillary when she last visited.
How is this any of this possible if your wild conspiracy theories from the last 8 years were true? Its time to grow up – you were wrong. It was all just 8 years of cool aid.

Posted by: jrobinson | October 31, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

Olivia: I think you are one of those republican professional bloggers trying to make us look foolish. YOU have all the tells!

Posted by: Real Liberal | October 31, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

YOU have all the tells!
Posted by: Real Liberal | Oct 31, 2009 4:22:28 PM
***
All right Real Liberal, how about this. Tell me why you’re a liberal and why it’s important to you that liberal values prevail. That would benefit the party, right? As it would be a heartfelt and lucid post– and it may touch some other commenters.
I believe in the common good, that we’re all in it together, but that all that do-gooder stuff doesn’t mean we have to sit by when those who are misguided lie and distort and steer policy in a backward direction. I believe in hope, progress, an open mind and heart, health care for all, strong forward-thinking energy policy, and war as a last resort. I believe you can be an optimist but still play hardball politics.
I also believe I gotta go. Trick-or-treaters are at the door and I have to don my BatGirl cape.

Posted by: Olivia | October 31, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

I’m really dissappointed in the no change of DC. It’s time to get in a balance in congress, people who know and understand that it’s the workers who pay the taxes & need the jobs. People who can get jobs again in America. And I mean high volumes of jobs, not a bit here saved or a bit there started, or a few temporary jobs.

Posted by: myopinion | October 31, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

It’ll be easy to slip and fall at the
WH bowling alleys Tues. night. Flop
sweat and tears play hobs with a wood
floor. We’re thankful for the “change”
coming to ol’ Virginny. Thanks,Barak.

Posted by: grizzlybare | October 31, 2009, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Don’t you just love it that this president’s ratings have sunk so low that it’s beginning to affect even “his” parties’ ability to get elected or re-elected. Sounds similar to what just occurred previously. This president has openly lied, cajoled, politicked, and done so much hand wringing that he cannot make the simplest of decisions. Worst president ever. 2012 cannot come fast enough.

Posted by: KSCQC2 | October 31, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Sorry, I couldn’t resist:
“Tell me why you’re a liberal and why it’s important to you that liberal values prevail. That would benefit the party, right? As it would be a heartfelt and lucid post– and it may touch some other commenters.”
First of all, who appointed you in charge of liberal litmus testing on public forums? You guys really are fascists; gotta keep the groupthink together at all costs. Prove you’re a liberal dammit – or else. Or else, what, exactly? You’ll sniff disapprovingly?
Second, that quote touches upon the very essence of liberalism; it’s all about feeling good, everyone liking you, and spreading the groupthink… you actually believe that we have different values?
The problem with this debate is you think that I don’t want people to have access to quality healthcare. That’s how sick you are. You refuse to understand your opposition, so you slander them.
We are oppposed to the plan based on efficacy – it doesn’t work. It will result in substandard care, rationing, corruption, completely destroy the budget. Like similar plans have done throughout history all around the globe.
But instead of alleviating our concerns or entering an honest debate, you just slander us and call us Nazis and we just want people to die when all we really want is to not INFLICT this healthcare system on our citizens.
Being on the right means being a slave to facts; being on the left means being a slave to your feelings. And all the pretty feelings you use as your moral compass keeps getting us shipwrecked… but that’s okay.

Posted by: jrobinson | October 31, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

ok, just wait until elections. I, for one, in NJ haven’t been polled, but I WILL vote democrat, so will everyone I know! Don’t speak before elections are over.

Posted by: dsnjlol | October 31, 2009, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

The geniuses who want to take over America’s healthcare system have decided that Guantanamo inmates take precedence over at- risk Americans for swine-flu inoculations.
“So Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, the man who conceived the 9/11 attacks that killed nearly 3000 Americans, is eligible for a swine flu vaccination. But Kristin Bencik, a pediatrician working overtime to treat kids suspected of having swine flu, has chosen to forego a shot so that she is not taking one away from one of her vulnerable patients. And she is really a “higher risk” case — she’s pregnant.”

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

“Tierra, here’s the truth: I don’t care about Che(y)ney. I don’t care how to spell his name correctly. I don’t care what boards he served on or didn’t.”
__________________________________
Fine, then don’t bother to pretend to know anything about what he did.
You bring him up to compare to Obama, you don’t even know how his name is spelled and he was VP of the United States, you state a bunch of untrue stuff about him attempting to discredit Obama . . and now you’re retreating.
I’ll be sure to pay close attention to your ‘facts’ and contributions.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Tyler 1:46PM
You got it 100%right: when Obama speaks and uses
that fake folksy accent, he thinks people will believe he feels just like one of us. Wrrrong!
Time for another trick.

Posted by: 2smart4u | October 31, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

“”So Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, the man who conceived the 9/11 attacks that killed nearly 3000 Americans, is eligible for a swine flu vaccination. But Kristin Bencik, a pediatrician working overtime to treat kids suspected of having swine flu, has chosen to forego a shot so that she is not taking one away from one of her vulnerable patients. And she is really a “higher risk” case — she’s pregnant.”
_____________________________________
My gawd, more nonsense from the Facist. Ms. Bencik (if she even exists) was ELIGIBLE! Nobody said she wasn’t eligible.
I don’t believe a word you type.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

When will people wake up? BOTH parties have betrayed the people, they are legislative prostitutes who have sold out to the Lobby dollar of corporate America,,,,BOTH Wall street and the defense contractors,,,,,They are using our tax dollars for personal and party profit,,,,,,,To admit supporting EITHER party after ALL that has happened,,,,would be insanity,,,,,to further support them , would be accessory to TREASON…..Voters need to vote out ALL incumbents from BOTH parties ,,,they have miserably FAILED at representing the people,,,replace them with ALL independent candidates,,,send a VERY clear message to BOTH parties,,,,,your Attitude of seeing yourselves as too big to fall …will not protect you .

Posted by: tincup56 | October 31, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Try to be fully forthcoming, Tierra– it’s essential to basic honesty.
It was evident from what I myself posted that the doctor was eligible. It was also evident that her “vulnerable patient” was not. And Khalid Sheikh Mohamd is.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

The Obama administration has gone after both Rush Limbaugh and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — showing an inability to distinguish between the burning of heretics and the burning of bridges. It has courted insurance companies, then publicly demonized them for showing independence. Obama has tended to define all opposition, particularly on health care, as resulting from fear, cowardice and selfishness — instead of admitting genuine disagreement. At a recent fundraiser, he mocked Republicans as robots who “do what they’re told.” He has engaged in consistent, classless, self-excusing criticism of his predecessor. Other presidents have been known for a war on totalitarianism or a war on terror. Obama is known for a war on Fox News.”

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

“Since 2010 is an election year, expect your health insurance premiums to sky rock – and at the same time, expect your benefits to get slashed.”
Neither will occur, and only a yokel would think they will. Once again, the paranoid serfs believe that dark forces are at work, and they always work against the interests of the serf and the yokel.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

so, the WH is bracing itself for a
bummer election day this Tuesday….
well, that’s just one TRILLIONTH of how
too many people felt LAST November.
And one TRILLIONTH of how THEY are gonna feel NEXT November !!!!!
The sleeping giant has awakened …
and he’s not jolly OR green !!!

Posted by: Terika | October 31, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

“The sleeping giant has awakened …”
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The ‘sleeping giant’ was well awakened after 8 years of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Republicans.
Had that lot not left the country and the economy is such a mess, we would all be in much better shape – as it is we will have to struggle through this mess and correct it the best we can.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Here is a bit of biographical information about Dr. Kristin Bencic, whose very existence Tierra purported to doubt in her unprincipled ad hominem attack upon me ( the intersted reader is encouraged to resort to Google for more):
“I have the best job in the world. I am a mom and a pediatrician!
The greatest part of being a pediatrician is watching infants grow into young adults and knowing that you played a significant role not only in their physical health, but also their social and emotional development.
Specialty: Pediatrics.
Board certification: American Academy of Pediatrics.”
The story indeed did not expressly state that the vulnerable patient was ineligible, but since it did say that Dr. Bencic was working overseas, and that the doctor gave up her own shot in the toddler’s favor, the child was ineligible (why else forego one’s own shot?).
I should amend my point somewhat to say that the Obama health-delivery machinery has placed Guantanamo inmates ahead of overseas children being treated by American physicians.
And it does not surprise me at all that Tierra would consider her own judgment superior to that of the doctor on the scene. That sort of mindlessarrogance is basic to liberal insanity.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

The people speak with their votes! We’ll see what happens but my guess is that this will be somewhat of a referendum for the President. Typical of some politicians, this administration treats us as children! They’re shoving down our throats their legislation without taking into consideration the pulse of the country. I don’t know of many people that agree with the government being good administrators of ANYTHING! Government-run healthcare is not the answer! Instead, legislation needs to be put in place to limit the amounts in lawsuits. It’s got to be reasonable. This is what has raised the cost of medicine. The problem is that these lawyers bank-rolled our dearest President and he won’t go against them…

Posted by: AGT-R | October 31, 2009, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 31, 2009 7:32:18 PM
The name ‘bencic’ does not even gather a hit on google news. What web site did you pull this tear jerker from? Let me guess . ..
So now you’re finally disclosing this is a woman who works overseas – nice of you to leave that fact out earlier so it appears you’re talking about America.
Any other little distortions you’d like to reveal Facist?

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

Google “Kristin Bencik,” the correct spelling and the one I used in my initial post. Having done so, you may apologize to the selfless lady in question if not to me.
I should point out that the doctor is not working “overseas”–she Is working “overtime” (my error, but not included in my original post). That makes it worse: the child for whom the doctor gave up her shot was an American. And below Khalid Sheikd Mohamed on the administration’s priority list.
Tierra’s response is typical: when the messenger arrives with bad news, either shoot him or smear him. But above all, avoid facing the truth of the message.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Sorry Facist if you can’t get the woman’s name right, and misstate that she is working overseas, I’m really losing interest in your attempts to be meaningful – and smear the current administration with your post.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

“Sorry Facist if you can’t get the woman’s name right, and misstate that she is working overseas, ”
Apparently you didn’t get it right either. Now that you have done so, would you care to concede that the doctor exists? And does it trouble you at all that the fact that she is working domestically makes matters even worse?
Please have the courage to face the issue: why is Khalid Sheikh Mohamed given an inoculation that is denied to an American child? Have you lost interest in that question as well?

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

This is the first lose Obama will feel. It’s only a precursor to next year and then 2012!! Obama the Radical has awakened middle America!

Posted by: Bob Miller | October 31, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

ncpilot10,
Of course they’re lying — that’s all they know how to do, and they do it so very well.

Posted by: tanarg | October 31, 2009, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | Oct 31, 2009 8:50:55 PM
By the way Facist, the Weekly Standard got the story from an original article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
If you had taken the time to read the original source, you would realise that nowhere in that article does it state Doctor Bencik gave up her flu shot for a young child who wasn’t eligible.
In fact it says nothing AT ALL about Dr. Bencik giving up her flu shot for anybody.
You right wingers will believe anything put in print – you should learn to do proper research.
Talk about drinking the kool-aid.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Alyson,
Obama is a radical leftist; those who didn’t recognize that fact, even when told repeatedly last year, are starting to do so in rather astonishing numbers.

Posted by: tanarg | October 31, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

“Obama the Radical”
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More name calling as political discussion.
Will the right never learn a new tactic beyond smear campaigns?

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

To all the blind followers; the party is almost over! Back to a rational debate.

Posted by: LongT | October 31, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

November of 2010 will officially shut
obama and his crew down, and with it, their implementation of dismembering our American way of life. obamaism turns out to be far worst, than bush and his band ever thought about being.
obamaism will have been checked, and with it
socialist control, without any hope or chance of changing it. Future elections would have been meanless. History will prove how close we came in this regard.
As long as the house and senate are not locked up by his crew, it dosn’t matter if he were to get elected for a second term. By then we will have truly seen that the threat posed by the oil companies and the bush devils, pales by
comparison.

Posted by: BLM | October 31, 2009, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Obama is already showing the telltale signs in his face that he knows the gig is up. I almost feel sorry for him.
This flu-shot debacle is serious, and Obama should be held to account for his incompetence. He’s the CEO of this country, and his FIRST job is to keep us safe. He’s gratifying his twisted emotional needs in foreign policy and playing with the health of Americans.
Impeachment should not be discounted; it is never too early to think about it.

Posted by: tanarg | October 31, 2009, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Fascist Hyena,
I totally agree. Obama’s few pages in history will show he was a narcissistic, emotionally and morally undeveloped, and petty little man whose biography made him uniquely unfit for public service due to his pathological drive to meet his unmet childhood needs for acceptance, nurturance, and a proper moral upbringing.
To assuage their guilt, both idiots and well-meaning, intelligent people who got caught up in the words of some speechwriter (not even Obama’s own words) elected a wholly incompetent, selfish, and bumbling fool as president.
Peggy Noonan’s woken up, and many others will follow, though there is little hope for saddest ones, like Frank Rich of the NY Times.

Posted by: tanarg | October 31, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

“he was a narcissistic, emotionally and morally undeveloped, and petty little man”
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Again, more smear and name calling . .. you right wingers are plain lame . . . and repetitious and boring.
Got nothing to offer but smear tactics?

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

Tierra now says that because the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel did not report a fact , it therefore must not be a fact. Interesting , but not atypical.
Having been publicly disgraced on the issues, the leftist Tierra calls names. Is anyone surprised?
Inoculate Khalid Sheikh Mohamed before you inoculate an American if you wish. Be too cowardly to defend the practice if you wish. Attack those who disagree with you on policy if you wish.
But you cannot avoid the electorate, whether you wish to or not.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

“Tierra now says that because the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel did not report a fact , it therefore must not be a fact. Interesting , but not atypical.”
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Absolutely, because the lame Weekly Standard piece you posted from sites the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel as its source – it’s the ONLY source they site.
And you fell for it . .. it just shows your bias and how it blinds you.
Try doing some real research instead of reading your right wing tripe and swallowing it whole hog.

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

*cite

Posted by: tierra | October 31, 2009, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

“Peggy Noonan’s woken up”
The same Peggy Noonan who once hilariously likened George Bush to Winston Churchill?? It was probably the most farcical display of patronization I’ve ever seen on national TV.

Posted by: Skip | October 31, 2009, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

It is going to take 50 years to add up all the damage done by Republican incompetence and corruption. Considering where we are now and the economic political pit dug by the Republicans, the Dems look like angels. Look at the millions of lost jobs, lost homes, lost futures! The Republicans are not fit to be a political party. Hard work and honesty no longer pay. Those who have been working hard – have no future. The American Dream was destroyed forever by Republican incompetence and corruption. This country is less secure than it has ever been because of our crashed economy and incompetent Republican foreign policy. Are they helping to dig this country out of this morass?? HELL NO! Instead, they are obstructing and sabotaging every step of the way. They don’t care about this country. All they care about is regaining power and kissing the butts of their corporate partners! Our country is in a very precarious position, yet the Republicans continue trying to derail the Obama administration – that is all they care about – power, not country!! It is impossible to overestimate the damage done by the Republicans. Just ask those who have lost their futures – forever!

Posted by: Sentinel | October 31, 2009, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

“…elected a wholly incompetent, selfish, and bumbling fool as president.”
Even if it were true he wouldn’t be the first. It would just be continuation of a recent trend.

Posted by: Skip | October 31, 2009, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

‘Obama’s few pages in history will show he was a narcissistic, emotionally and morally undeveloped, and petty little man whose biography made him uniquely unfit for public service due to his pathological drive to meet his unmet childhood needs for acceptance, nurturance, and a proper moral upbringing.”
So we have a new self-made Dr Phil of right-wing psycho-analytical propaganda. What do you mean ‘history’ anyway? Fox wrote this bio before Obama was even inaugurated.

Posted by: Skip | October 31, 2009, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Come, Tierra, don’t be afraid. Just tell us why the Obama administration inoculated Guanatamo detainees before every American has been inoculated. There must be a reason: what is it?
And surely you either approve or disapprove of the practice: which is it?

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

It is Bush & Cheney who treated us like children. They owned the most corrupt and incompetent administration in U.S. history and laughed in our faces as they broke domestic and international law and violated international treaties – all along with massive Constitutional breaches. Yet, Republican supporters ignore all this corruption and pretend it never took place! We will never allow that to happen again – even if it takes civil disobedience to correct the situation!

Posted by: Sentinel | October 31, 2009, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

The country elected a 6th grade class president who promised ice cream for all without explaining how to pay for it. The Dems programs are putting the country into the poor house and liberla agenda has been pushed by Obama who was the most liberal Senator. Him, Pelosi and Reid are only interested in power and not in doing what is best for the country. Obama has shown his inexperience in leadership, management and international relations. This election is just the start of the pendulum moving to sanity.

Posted by: jschmidt | October 31, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Sentinel- if anyone is avoiding corruption it is the Dems . How many Dems are under ethics investigation and are still Committee chairs? Dodd was cleared by a committee that reviewed 18000 pages of evidence but couldn’t read a 1000 pages stimulus bill. The Republican locked up many corrupt Congressmen but Holder seems to be on;y interested in dropping voting rights intimidation charges against the new black panther party. The Dems are the most corrupt we’ve seen in a long time and pelosi, reid and Obama all failed miserable in good govt in DC. The need to be all voted out before they make us a banana republic.

Posted by: jschmidt | October 31, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Fascist Hyena | Oct 31, 2009 10:24:30 PM
I don’t understand why you expect tierra to know why this allegedly was done and therefore have a reason to approve or not, but that aside: You claim to be a military guy. Why might it be very important for national security to keep certain high level enemy prisoners alive? Are you claiming there cannot be any reason to do so?

Posted by: Skip | October 31, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

Congress should be concerned..We the people pay their salaries only to be called names because of attending tea party or town hall meetings…Congress has forgotten who they represent and who pays their salaries..As with any employment, if you don’t perform the duties you were hired for..you are fired…Come 2010 there will be change…Enjoy what’s left of your term in office

Posted by: bailedout | October 31, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

jschmidt: Thank you for proving my point that Republicans chose to ignore their heinous abuses of power and pretend the Democrats are worse. Republican blinders and denial of recent Republican history. More of the same as I expected. Compared to Republican incompetence and corruption, the Democrats look like angels.

Posted by: Sentinel | October 31, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

Sentinel- when I see people like Murtha , Rangel and Waters put in jail then I’ll believe the Dems are interested in fighting corruption. Until then Pelosi, Reid and the like give lip service to fighting corruption while Obama excuses every ethics violating person that he hires. You are the one with blinder that think the Dems can do no wrong. Remember the Republicans are not running the show and they did put a lot of their own in jail whether you recogninze it or not. Just keep burying your head in the sand and keep drinking the kool aid.

Posted by: jschmidt | October 31, 2009, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Go get’em skip!

Posted by: Sentinel | October 31, 2009, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

>Sentinel
I thought you were doing a great job. Unfortunately I’m very distracted. The Yankees are refusing to lose the World Series.

Posted by: Skip | October 31, 2009, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

“I don’t understand why you expect tierra to know why this allegedly was done and therefore have a reason to approve or not….”
Isn’t it wonderful to watch the progression of goofball retreat? First, “we don’t even know that this doctor exists!”
That bit of cowardice seems to have been abandoned. Then came, “Maybe there was a good reason for inoculating KSM!”
Now it’s “Maybe he wasn’t inoculated at all!” Hey, maybe he wasn’t. So the whole thing was something out of Glen Beck’s febrilebrain, right?
So let me just pose it as a hypothetical: If it is in fact true that KSM was inoculated with swine-flue vaccine, and that at least one American has not been vaccinated, do you (a) approve, or (b) disapprove? Do you find it hard to answer? If so, why?
And hey, Tierra–what do you have to say? Cat got your tongue?

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | October 31, 2009, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

Perhaps Newt Gingrich should switch over to the Democrat Socialist Party, frankly there is no need for two faced Republicans in the Republican Party, he should take Christ, Graham, McCain and the Terminator with him.

Posted by: wizcat123 | October 31, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

The damage done by an increasing deficit and an unsustainable national debt is a legacy of both political parties. If someone doesn’t step up to the plate with a plan this nation is doomed to socialism.
The greatest crisis we face is not the financial health of Wall Street. It’s the growing federal debt incurred by the rampant spending of those who seek to protect us from Wall Street. The growing deficit and debt eclipses any presumed healthcare crisis as well.
The CBO published “The Long term budget Outlook” in June, saying “The federal budget is on an unsustainable path — meaning that federal debt will continue to grow much faster than the economy over the long run . . . . Rising costs for health care and the aging of the U.S. population will cause federal spending to increase rapidly . . . . ”
Our president and the congress do not have a plan to mitigate the national debt. In fact the debt is rarely mentioned though they do on occasion vaguely suggest a reduced deficit at some unspecified future date. I suspect that unspecified date will continue to be futuristic as the congress just keeps on spending.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | October 31, 2009, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

MayBee posted “Obviously, the Republicans spent too much…but they haven’t controlled Congress in almost 3 years. Bush has been out of office 9 months.
How long can Democrats go without claiming responsibility for something?”
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I’m still waiting for the Republicans to claim responsibility for something?” Most of them claim the same old BS story about how everything went bad after the Democrats took control.
You are acting like the prior 6 years of total Republican control had absolutely zero effect on our country. BS!
Secondly, the Democrats only had a simple majority, not enough votes to overcome the RECORD number of Republican filibusters, not enough votes to override Bush’s many vetoes.
So please tell us all how the Democrats caused all the problems. Cause and effect.

Posted by: Faurtz8 | November 1, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am

I firmly believe that there is a tide in this nation that cannot take it anymore. Whether it is the despair of a continuously plummeting economy and excessive federal spending and impossible credit card debt and high interest or another war to add to the list, Americans are now going to change the change they never got. Yes these three elections or possibly the two major gubernatorial contests are a harbinger for 2010. All of this reminds me of the 1992 Presidential election with the elder Bush facing the Arkansas Governor, Bill Clinton. Bad economy, perception of George HW Bush as aloof, an oil man who could not connect with struggling Americans. Mr. Bush had functioned as CIA Director, Ambassador to China and the White House. I will not go past Jennifer Flowers in deference to Clinton. Clinton beat a man far more qualified and presidential because the Country was restless and struggling and very angry. When this happens, the electorate will vote for Pee Wee Herman just to get the responsible party out.

Posted by: Jay Adler | November 1, 2009, 12:07 am 12:07 am

“And hey, Tierra–what do you have to say? Cat got your tongue?”
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Your nonsense has already been pointed out to you Facist. You quoted from a shoddy article, you got called on it. You might want to take a little time for some self reflection on the hokum you swallow.

Posted by: tierra | November 1, 2009, 12:12 am 12:12 am

“I’m still waiting for the Republicans to claim responsibility for something?
What the heck–why don’t we start with, say, the crumbling of the Berlin wall, the liberation of Eastern Europe, and the disappearance of the Soviet Empire? Will that do?

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 1, 2009, 12:16 am 12:16 am

Posted by: Jay Adler | Nov 1, 2009 12:07:05 AM
Don’t be too concerned . . . there was a twelve point drop in Ronald Reagan’s approval rating by the fall of his first year in office, and he too was grappling with a bad economy.
In fact Reagan’s approval numbers were almost exactly the same as Obama’s in the spring and fall of his first inaugural year.

Posted by: tierra | November 1, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Fascist Hyena posted “Come, Tierra, don’t be afraid. Just tell us why the Obama administration inoculated Guanatamo detainees before every American has been inoculated. There must be a reason: what is it?”
It was the Pentagon’s decision because “Decision based on assessment that detainees run high risk of pandemic, ”
GITMO to many in world was a black mark on the history of the United States. How do you suppose it would look if most of the detainees died due to a flu pandemic? Like it or not, they are in our custody and therefore we are responsible for their welfare.

Posted by: Faurtz8 | November 1, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Whenever I hear the Federal Reserve data and Consumer Sentiment and unemployment figures I think just as any American citizen that the country is headed in the wrong direction just as opinion polls currently confirm. There is a very massive and implicating economic piece of reality that I think the politicians should spend more time addressing and solving. That is to say a family of four living in a home anywhere in our nation finds it next to impossible to keep up with expenses considering even a modest lifestyle. How many years is it going to be that we cannot go out to dinner or even take a car trip? We as Americans are living in a suitcase of frugality. Some families are working two jobs and have credit card dept to handcuff them as well.Life in The United States- not very enjoyable now unless you are a plumber or an electrician.

Posted by: Jay Adler | November 1, 2009, 12:24 am 12:24 am

Fascist Hyena posted “What the heck–why don’t we start with, say, the crumbling of the Berlin wall, the liberation of Eastern Europe, and the disappearance of the Soviet Empire? Will that do?”
If I were in the mood for a fairy tale.
“Once upon a time there was a god named Reagan. He spoke those words ‘tear that wall down’ and the wall came a’ tumblin’ down”
You really need to take a history class, there were many reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union. A long prolonged occupation of Afghanistan comes first to my memory.
How’s that working out for us?

Posted by: Faurtz8 | November 1, 2009, 12:24 am 12:24 am

“You really need to take a history class, there were many reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union. A long prolonged occupation of Afghanistan comes first to my memory.
How’s that working out for us?”
Let me get this straight: The Berlin Wall came down, Eastern Europe was liberated, and the Soviet Union dissolved because it had troops in Afghanistan for eight years? Where might I take a history class that would teach me that lesson?
It appears to me that an occupation of Afghanistan isn’t working well at all. Wisely, Bush never attempted it: he was content to topple the Taliban and deny Al Qaeda it’s use for training terrorists.
Now Obama has given us his new occupation strategy, announced with great fanfare less than seven months ago. And we are presented with the disgraceful public spectacle of his agonizing over how to confront his own failure, while American troops continue to die while awaiting his decision.
All in all, I’d say the occupation of Afghanistan is not going well at all for us. But you’ll have to talk to Obama about that one.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 1, 2009, 12:46 am 12:46 am

Fascist Hyena posted “Let me get this straight: The Berlin Wall came down, Eastern Europe was liberated, and the Soviet Union dissolved because it had troops in Afghanistan for eight years? Where might I take a history class that would teach me that lesson?”
It is ONE of the reasons, not the only reason. And it makes more sense than your fairy tale that the Republicans only did all those things.
I’ve read some of your posts. You have a hard time understanding cause and effect. Here are two examples….
Reagan said tear the wall down, the Soviet Union collapses, therefore Reagan caused it.
The Democrats had a simple majority in 2007. The stock market plummeted, the economy collapsed, unemployment shot up, therefore the Democrats did it.
Perhaps a class on logic is needed more.

Posted by: Faurtz8 | November 1, 2009, 12:54 am 12:54 am

Fascist Hyena posted “It appears to me that an occupation of Afghanistan isn’t working well at all. Wisely, Bush never attempted it: he was content to topple the Taliban and deny Al Qaeda it’s use for training terrorists.”
So once they were booted out, why didn’t we leave? It is comical to hear you defend Bush for being in Afghanistan for 7+ years but condemn Obama for his 7+ MONTHS.
I agreed with Bush’s decision to go into Afghanistan to get Al Qaeda an the Taliban. But it was also his idea to put Afghanistan on the back burners to needlessly invade Iraq.
And yes, it is Obama’s problem now. Quagmires are easy to get into and very hard to get out of. Keep that in mind the next time you berate Obama. Would you like his job? I wouldn’t.

Posted by: Faurtz8 | November 1, 2009, 1:00 am 1:00 am

“So once they were booted out, why didn’t we leave?”
we stayed with enough presence to deny the place to Al Qaeda as a training ground. It is under Obama’s failed strategy that we are suffering 40+ KIA per month for reasons he will not and in fact cannot explain.
But let us again hear some more howlers about how its Afghan adventure brought down the USSR. How stupid of Lech Walesa and the Polish people to erect monuments to Ronald Reagan! Don’t they know they owe their liberty to the Mujahdeen?

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 1, 2009, 1:09 am 1:09 am

Fascist Hyena posted “But let us again hear some more howlers about how its Afghan adventure brought down the USSR.”
Again you are missing what I said. I said it was ONE of the factors, not the only one. It weakened their military, it weakened their economy.
Let’s here some more of your howlers about how RR all by himself brought down the Soviet Union. Let’s tell my uncle who died in Korea that he wasted his life; all the US had to do was to wait until RR said “tear down that wall” Tell all of those who died in Vietnam that the strategy of containment was a waste of time. All we needed was to have RR say those magic words.
Well, I think we’re the only ones left and it is getting late. Don’t forget to turn back your clock. Nice debating with you, but I have to call it a night now.
Bye

Posted by: Faurtz8 | November 1, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am

“With Democrats poised to lose the governor’s race in Virginia, and to possibly lose the governor’s race in New Jersey and a special election for a House seat in New York, the White House has started insisting any pending losses will not have any significance.”
Gee, and here I thought that elections have consequences. Even Obama at one time suggested that to be true when he arrogantly stated: “I won.”
But the White House now propagandizes that pending losses in elections “will not have any signficance.” Elections now go under the bus, as it appears.
Elections are now less notable than even an inconvenient truth.
They don’t even rate an Obama-typical dismissal as a distraction since now they “will not have any significance.”
So, why bother with elections at all?
How American of the White House!!!

Posted by: TParty4USA | November 1, 2009, 2:16 am 2:16 am

If you think they are disappointed now wait until 2012.
Throw in “Repeal” and they will all look back and ask “where did things go so wrong?”

Posted by: Lone Star Rules | November 1, 2009, 7:47 am 7:47 am

Most likely the Republican candidates will
win all three of these races. Doesn’t bother me, I’ve been an Independent all my life until last year. Only became a Democrat because I liked Obama so much.
Still do, I think he’s doing a good job.
But the Democratic Party is a model of disorganization in my opinion.

Posted by: Bill in NC | November 1, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am

Quagmires are easy to get into and very hard to get out of. Keep that in mind the next time you berate Obama. Would you like his job? I wouldn’t.
Posted by: Faurtz8 | Nov 1, 2009 1:00:31 AM
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Good point, and nice posts all around. It’s always nice to see intelligent posts on here.

Posted by: Olivia | November 1, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am

The Whitehouse gets it wrong on every turn. They say that these loses are insignificant and that the long term is what is important. What Gibbs probably knows and is afraid to admit is that this is the beginning of the end of this Obama bowel movement on our country. They either are stupid or they just do not want to face up to the truth. They will probably rationalize all the way to the end Obama’s one and only term wrecking our country and the office of the Presidency.

Posted by: Mark | November 1, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

With Scozzafava now bowing out of the NY23 race, there are two dramatic implications of any non-Dem victories on Tuesday:
1) The National Republican party has been put on notice by right-thinking conservatives: They run liberal Republicans at their own peril. The majority (used to be called the “Silent Majority”) has spoken: conservatism is once again on the ascendancy.
2) Moderate (Blue Dog) Democrats from moderate or moderate-to-conservative districts had better jump off the Obama/Pelosi bandwagon, and fast. If they’re seen as supporting the radical philosophies of this Administration, they will be sent home decisively in 2012.
Obama will get the message, even if he protests to the contrary: the only question is, will he continue his arrogant, radical march towards the far left, to the great detriment of his country an his party.
My bet is, he will. And that 2012 will be far more right-headed than even 1994.

Posted by: Dave Andersen | November 1, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Thank you Jake Tapper for be the watchdog that you were born to be! Please keep up the pressure: keep investigating, keep digging, keep speaking truth to power.

Posted by: Dave Andersen | November 1, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am

“Let’s here some more of your howlers about how RR all by himself brought down the Soviet Union.”
You won’t hear any such howlers from me. There is much credit to be assigned, including credit to Harry Truman, George C. Marshall, George Kennan, Ike and Jfk (and none at all to the dolt Carter).
But RR was indeed the proximate cause, and although his Berlin Wall speech was stirring and historic, it was his introduction of the Pershing missiles to western Europe and his tenacious pursuit of a missile defense system that were the tipping point for the Soviets. As they have acknowledged, those two events forced them to recognize that their sclerotic economic system simply couldn’t continue to compete wit the US.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 1, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 29% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
“It’s sometimes easy to get caught up in the day-to-day fluctuations of the tracking poll and miss the longer-term trend. Rasmussen Reports also compiles the data on a month-by-month basis which shows that the President’s ratings slipped a bit in October after stabilizing in September.”

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 1, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Obama. Would you like his job? I wouldn’t.
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*He* wanted the job. Quite badly, if I recall correctly. Seemed to think he’d do a great job at it, and had no problem berating previous Presidents for the jobs they did.
Obama wanted the job so badly, he spent over a half a billion dollars to get it. And now he’s about 20% of the way through his term. This is what he wanted, and being criticized comes along with it.

Posted by: MayBee | November 1, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Congress should be concerned..We the people pay their salaries only to be called names because of attending tea party or town hall meetings…Congress has forgotten who they represent and who pays their salaries..As with any employment, if you don’t perform the duties you were hired for..you are fired…Come 2010 there will be change…Enjoy what’s left of your term in office

Posted by: bailedout | November 1, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Hillary said “We tax everything that moves or doesn’t move”.
And ACORN drags everything that moves or doesn’t move to the polls.
As long as it’s a vote for the Democrats.

Posted by: tyler | November 1, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Difference between Obama and Reagan is that within minutes of Reagan’s inauguration the Iran hostages were RELEASED whereas, within months of Obama’s presidency, Somali pirates TAKE American hostages demanding $2 million for their release. Thankfully, Obama hadn’t yet dismantled the Navy Seals Program and they, not Obama, were able to do their job.

Posted by: EPU | November 1, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am

On Afghanistan:
“What began as an almost reflex debating stance on the campaign trail – that George W. Bush had started the wrong war in Iraq and that Hillary Clinton had voted for it – has brought us to this moment,” says Daniel Markey at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Only now is the president really analysing the implications of escalation in Afghanistan. And they are potentially paralysing.”

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 1, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am

MayBee posted “Obviously, the Republicans spent too much…but they haven’t controlled Congress in almost 3 years. Bush has been out of office 9 months.
How long can Democrats go without claiming responsibility for something?”
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Faurtz8 posted “I’m still waiting for the Republicans to claim responsibility for something?”
Most of them claim the same old BS story about how everything went bad after the Democrats took control.
You are acting like the prior 6 years of total Republican control had absolutely zero effect on our country. BS!”
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To which Fascist responded: “I’m still waiting for the Republicans to claim responsibility for something?”
What the heck–why don’t we start with, say, the crumbling of the Berlin wall, the liberation of Eastern Europe, and the disappearance of the Soviet Empire? Will that do?
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I think Maybee was asking the Democrats to take responsibility for things that she perceives as being problems. Faurtz8 then asked for the Republicans to take responsibility for the current state of our country which I believe the consensus is that it’s not very good. -To which Fascist responds by lauding the same old Reagan laurels that the Republicans have been lounging around on for decades now. Either he believes that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a problem or it’s clearly a cheap non-sequitur that, even though Faurtz8 cared to continue, really didn’t warrant further debate.

Posted by: Skip | November 1, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am

‘Difference between Obama and Reagan is that within minutes of Reagan’s inauguration the Iran hostages were RELEASED…”
Isn’t it interesting how that worked out? It’s almost like Reagan was negotiating with our enemies before he was even elected… Should we think it was just coincidence then that this same administration then covertly allowed the sale of arms to the former home of the hostage takers to fund terrorist activities in Central America that killed thousands of civilians including women and children? Reagan bought the hostages freedom for blood money.

Posted by: Skip | November 1, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Hey what does a win by a Dem gov in California say about Obama and the GOP loss of the seat? just asking or CA doesnt matter any more?

Posted by: Bill | November 1, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Netanyahu 1, Bammy 0.

Posted by: tanarg | November 1, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Hey what does a win by a Dem gov in California say about Obama and the GOP loss of the seat? just asking or CA doesnt matter any more?
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Do you mean the election scheduled for a year from tomorrow, Bill?

Posted by: MayBee | November 1, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Valerie Jarett say the GOP is becoming more extreme.
This from an administration to the left of France and Germany.
So extreme that Chavez was complimenting them for taking over a car company.
Pot..meet kettle.
Hypocrites

Posted by: hank | November 1, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Valerie Jarett say the GOP is becoming more extreme.
This from an administration to the left of France and Germany.
So extreme that Chavez was complimenting them for taking over a car company.
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I think you just helped to prove her point.
“To the left of Germany”? As if that is meaningful. Are you not aware Germany currently has a right leaning government?
Are you aware Chavez is democratically elected? Do you understand the concept of democracy?

Posted by: tierra | November 1, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Scozzafava has endorsed her previous opponent- Bill Owens. Doesn’t this prove tha argument that Scozzofava is in the wrong party? How could she have ever been nominated by the local GOP?Is there a local GOP?

Posted by: Nephron | November 1, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Good riddance Scozzafava.
Drain the swamp.
It’s time to elect politicians that are anti-Washington.
Scazzafava up to her neck with the unions–and Obama gives her a thrill up her leg.

Posted by: hank | November 1, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

“It’s time to elect politicians that are anti-Washington.”
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And that would be Republicans right? Hahahaha . ..

Posted by: tierra | November 1, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

I see Alyson and the usual ACORN trolls are out with the Alinski propaganda tactics with the elections looking like a massive repudiation of the tax em to death & redistribute the wealth radicals.

Posted by: Lincoln | November 1, 2009, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation with more on the way if Corzine is allowed to continue to stay in his feathered nest.

Posted by: Lincoln | November 1, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

ACORN trolls are out with the Alinski propaganda tactics with the elections looking like a massive repudiation of the tax em to death & redistribute the wealth radicals.
Posted by: Lincoln | Nov 1, 2009 9:18:39 PM
Do you get bonus dollars for that many teabot buzzwords in one post?
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The moronic, robotic right mumbling through their list. Free thinkers every one.

Posted by: tierra | November 1, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

We can only hope!!!

Posted by: Parallex View | November 2, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

If NJ votes for Corzine again, then all hope is lost for the state. As California goes, so goes New Jersey – right down the sewer.

Posted by: ConservativeWoman | November 2, 2009, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

nice written Skip, in last comment.

Posted by: Aery | November 3, 2009, 7:47 am 7:47 am

nice article

Posted by: Jay | December 18, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Disappointing Election Day? Understatement of the year! Try tax-payer revolt!

Posted by: Quo Warranto | April 8, 2010, 12:06 am 12:06 am

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