Abortion Deal Clears Way for Health Care Vote

R.I.P. America

ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION IF IT’S YOUR CHOICE WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!
If the American Government is for the people I would like to know which people? that is!

This is an idea whose time has come. Thank you Mr President.

Enjoy the house victory, cause it will never pass the senate with a public option.

OK. I’m pro-choice, however, I can agree with not covering abortion. After all, how many abortions do you need? I would hope you would only need one in your lifetime.

Although I consider myself a liberal in most circumstances I do support the amendment that would not cover elective abortion. The Pro-Choice is spouting off about the health of the mother. In cases of the health of the mother abortion is allowed by the amendment (threat to the mother’s health, rape and incest). Most abortions are elective and unnecessary. Why should American tax payers pay for elective abortions for individuals who don’t practice birth control? Healthy women who are pregnant and find that fact inconvenient can pay for their own abortions. Organizations like Planned Parenthood can raise funds from their supporters to help defray the full costs of pregnancy termination.

Abortion deal clears way?
Wait a minute!
Section 222. Essential Benefits Package Defined.
Page 109, line 7-line 8, (e) Abortion Coverage Prohibited As Part Of Minimum Benefits Package.
Hmmm, Minimum Benefits Package, gee, could that mean that it will not be part of the government insurance since the ‘Public Option’ would be considered a minimum benefits package. Just what part of “Abortion Coverage Prohibited as part of minimum Benefits Package” do Republicans and Tea Party enthusiats ‘Don’t Understand?’

Sorry Paul, I see you agreed to that.
I have anger issues on this topic. I’ll own it.
I apologize.

The people in Congress are so entrenched in the game, they have lost all perspective. I cannot believe grown people act so stupidly and selfishly as to create such hardships for the people in this country, with absolutely no thought to any ramifications. Except of course, they voted themselves exempt from participating in any health care overhaul. I hate them all and wish them all great hardships in their lives.

On the issue of illegal immigration? Have you heard anything?

Did the 72 hour waiting period already begin, with the amendments?

Wait a minute….President Obama in his Sept. 10 address to Congress said that “no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”???? So, why does this bill include funding for abortions? Oh, that’s right….he LIED!
Just like he lied that his plan won’t add “one dime” to the deficit. This plan’s recent score by the CBO is 3 TRILLION DOLLARS. See, what he’s doing is saying “his plan”…so technically he’s not lying because HE doesn’t have a plan. This is Nancy Pelosi’s plan, but he’ll vote for it anyway.
We CANNOT trust our government…this is all about power. Which is why they’re trying to rush it through. This was never about providing health care to the uninsured and lowering costs. GOV’T has never lowered the cost of anything!!!!

How did this 2000 page, 1.2 Trillion monstronsity come down to an abortion debate? What about the money? What about the jobs lost in the private sector by those who work for insurance companies or doctors or businesses that can’t afford the additonal taxes. What about an American’s “Right to Choose their doctor, their insurance, their hospital”. In this bill, private insurance will wither at 2013. It will be a government option. We will all be trapped in a system run by bureaucrats, a one-size-fits-all healthcare. This is not America. There will still be people denied care because it’s too expensive, just like Canada or England. So what will we have gained except a bigger bill and more government. It’s preposterous!

Why don’t the dems care about the burden we are passing on to our children? It is the most selfish lot I’ve ever seen.

It’s nice that they have gained the support of Catholic Church. This will mean a great deal to all practicing Catholics in this country. I am hoping this bill passes. After the embarrassing spectacle put on by the Tea Party and the Republicans who supported this I am hoping for resolution that will stop the drama and lies we saw and heard two days ago. The holocaust posters and the open displays of bigotry only serve to make the Republican Party look bad. Lets hear from Republicans that have class, not these over the edge Right Wing drama queens and kings.

People who are for this 2000+ page bill have no idea how sorry they are going to be. The freakin’ bill is so large, I can’t even bring it up on my computer to read it. There is no way the people in the House have had time to read it & understand it – but what else is new.

Great, this is way past due. One special interest group, Abortion rights advocates, shouldn’t get to piggy back their highly controversial agenda to deperately needed health care reform. It was ridiculous in the first place to risk this important legislation in this way. If it so important, then let the abortion provision stand on its own and have a separate vote on it. Common sense is back, at least for a while.
It’s now time for the faithful to quit transferring their faith to the conservatives, and prove that they understand that biblical principles go far beyond the short-sighted Republican agenda. We have the abortion provision, now support the bill!!!!

Here’s my 2 cents.
I am pro-choice but I don’t think I could ever bring myself to have one. However, I am a single mother and I understand how incredibly difficult that can be. I believe no one should have to go through that if they aren’t ready or willing to. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want the health care plan to provide abortions for women who want them. Think about it, if women don’t have the option to have an abortion that would cost taxpayers, I don’t even know how much probably roughtly $400?, then you are going to be spending around $10,000 to pay for the woman to have the child and who knows how much if the woman has to go on welfare to support the child she didn’t want in the first place. Sure, she could put the child up for adoption and I would support this choice over abortion but it is not my choice. Your argument makes no sense.

Lets not lose sight of today’s mission in the overall scheme of things. We’ll never all agree on every single point but if you care about reform at all, we must get a bill out of the House. It will not be the final product by a long shot. Any house bill puts the ball in the Senate’s court and the sooner the better. The Senate is the tuff nut and if the House waits any later in the year, the Senate won’t get it done this year and if not this year, likely never. The Republicans’ plan is to delay, get it into an election year and then kill it for another generation. There are sincere opponents of abortion, immigration, etc but most don’t care whether its these issues or chicken pox or whatever – just confuse and raise fear and keep any progress at bay.
Details can and will change in the Senate and again in Conference and later in the courts. The real key is to move the process forward

I must say haha, I believe you are in the minority. Most repubs I know think abortion should be outlawed and welfare should be abolished. I don’t know who said but I agree, conservatives only care about you when you’re inutero and then don’t give a rats ass until you’re old enough to go fight the wars they won’t send their kids to fight.

Nobody seems to care about what God wants anymore.

Cheri, if you want to believe in god knock yourself out but you can’t push your beliefs on to anyone else. If you’re pro-life then don’t have an abortion. I value children as well, I have one. I know child abuse is not restricted to any one class but have you ever stopped to think if child abusers had had the option to have abortions they wouldn’t be beating their children today? Let’s face it, many people choose not to have children because they simply don’t want them. These people should not be forced to have children they don’t want that result from accidental pregnancies. No form of birth control is 100% effective and accidents do happen. I’m not talking about the women who use abortion as their bc, they are psychotic. But those are the minority of those who seek abortion.

“Desperately want to pass” today. Why ? What is the rush ? Given this healthcare fiasco represents 1/6th of the economy , and couple that with the Wall street financial crowd, we’ll be bankrupt before the next election.

Laughin_All_The_Way | Nov 7, 2009 2:40:54 PM—Who cares about republican politicians? Like they care about this nation. They are all paid off by health care/insurance lobbyists to defeat accessible health care to all Americans. This bill will SAVE trillions in the long run while republicans want to do nothing which will COST trillions in the long run.

Although I am definitely pro-choice and feel a woman’s right to an abortion must be protected (I’ve also had an abortion more than 20 years ago), I think we need a health care bill NOW with a public option or co-op option. Whatever it takes is a good start. If no federal $ for abortion guarantees that folks won’t lose their homes when they get sick, that’s a sacrifice we need to be willing to make to move health care reform along. Abortions aren’t too expensive. Condoms are available cheap or free almost everywhere in the USA.

I think every “right-to-lifer” (anti-choice) person should be REQUIRED to adopt a child out of the foster care system.

Let them do as they wish. The voters will speak in 2010 and 2012

Now let’s watch Lieberman Mr Cigna, and Evan Bayh
Mr Wellpoint destroy the whole thing.

What upsets me about the ani-abortion Democrats and their pundits is that they do not want tax payers to have to pay for or go towards abortions. What I find funny those are my tax dollars too and I have no problem with a woman making a choice and under their health care plan if it is offered be allowed to use it. Because what happens when you have a victem of rape, or incest needing to possibly use their health care for this treatment, you take away their right to a payment that they may not be able to afford. There need’s to be an addendem added that there will be an exception to these kind of cases.

Abortion wasn’t in the bill, yet Planned Parenthood is furious that it has now been taken out?
Could it possibly be that we have been lied to by Obama and Pelosi somewhere along the way?

This is exactly the problem that Obama KNEW he’s face with the public option issue. It had nothing to do with health care – but rather all the “other” issues that tag along with it when it becomes a government plan.
If the abortion issue ever becomes resolved here – and it may kill the whole bill do it its own controversy – we then will have all the illegal immigration activists take the podium.
Pelosi just had to have it her way! I’m surprised Obama let her do it. No better way to ruin a reform bill than to tack all these tangential issues onto it. The Democrats got greedy. They had health care reform in their hands and could have gotten it through. Once a “base package” was enacted, you could have added the issue laden public option. But you can’t fight for health care – and then deal with abortion rights and immigration reform at the same time.
It’s hard to believe that these people in Congress all these years didn’t know they were opening up Pandora’s box!

Katie, you were not born with a baby in you. You can not have a baby with a man being involved. Therefor, a baby is not your body. It amazes me to think that women think that a baby is their sole possession. Women were trusted with the awesome responsibility of birthing a human being in their body yet some are so cavalier with that responsibility. Its funny that you want money to keep a baby and money to get rid of it. Women even want money to carry a baby for someone else. The common denominator is that you want Money! My apologies to all the wonderful moms who understand their role of human birth that love and nurture their children unselfishly. To them, children are not a possession or a burden, but without a doubt, the greatest earthly achievement bar none is to be a great parent.
In a 100 or so years, science will allow babies to be born outside the womb and relieve those women the burden of having to endure the trouble of pregnancy. Then men will be able to have a baby without the stress of dealing with the possessiveness and illogical rules that women have burdened men with. The tables will turn, and then where will women be without their legal crutch of Alimony and child support! Viva La Revolution!

miss type above sorry,
should read : you cannot have a baby WITHOUT a man being involved

irene, why do you assume that all babies
born because a mother couldn’t get a government paid for abortion will end up on welfare? some just might become scientists who find a cure for cancer, some might become doctors who give back to the community by providing inexpencive care, some may become police officers, military men and woman or congressman/woman or presidents. Why must people always use the fear factor to make their points?

Of course the Catholic Church would support the Health insurance bill, because, as it is currently written, the Catholic church will save millions of dollars on providing for all of the illegal Hispanic members of their churches!!!!!

Too bad congress could not be ABORTED,,,,,,they are a BIG part of the four pronged problem,,,the others being the insurance industry, the health care system and pharmaceutical companies, they are all infected with Greed,,,and the fertilizer that makes it ALL grow in cost to the American people,,,,,The all mighty LOBBY DOLLAR. There is no solution to keep things affordable if ALL parties involved do not make concessions,,,they cannot expect to maintain the GREED and waste they commit, and have the tax payers pick up the whole tab. Congress is responsible for it is they who have crawled into bed with the lobbyists from ALL these sectors,,BOTH parties,,,,,,,When will Americans wake up and see the real truth as it is,,,,BOTH parties are guilty of ALL the mess we are in, to support these crooks any longer would be insanity. They will NEVER represent the people as long as the are legislative prostitutes,,,why should they bribe the people,,,they can just rob us through “Taxation Without Representation”, give our tax dollars to corporate America in exchange for BILLIONS in lobby dollars for personal and party profit,,,they are traitors and ANYONE who supports them are accomplices.

Posted by: secondlook | Nov 7, 2009 11:06:04 AM “”How nice. Our lawmakers are writing legislation that doesn’t include consideration for the health of the woman. In other words – I guess even if she’s going to die this is out. Even if she’s pregnant with a child that can’t survive birth she’s not covered. If she’s raped she’s not covered. I have been transported back to the old days.”" ** Your remarks are slanted. The legislation does not deny women health care. It is just denying that our tax dollars not be used for abortions(unwanted baby). No one said anything about letting women die. As far as rape, that is a despicable act, and for the baby that would not survive birth due to no fault of the mother. These are terrible situations to be in and I would not want to be there. But these are situations that are not the responsibility of the government or anyone else’s if that person does not have insurance.

Posted by: Elizabeth | Nov 7, 2009 2:34:05 PM*****Your statement that if child abusers had had the option to have an abortion they would not be beating their child/children today is totally ridiculous. Abuse is a power thing to them. Did they sit around and say “Oh I think I will get an abortion so I want beat my future children.”

Posted by: Ginny | Nov 7, 2009 3:36:34 PM******What does where a person lives have to do with anything? I assume you are from the West or up North. Are you saying that there are not overeaters, smokers, drug users that live there? If these same type of people are making these laws and trying to pass this health care reform, I say vote their butts out because I don’t think they are qualified to be doing the running of our country.

Posted by: irene | Nov 7, 2009 4:49:22 PM “I am sure all the pro life will be more than happy to put money aside to support all these babies that will be born by force not choice and….”***I would prefer my tax dollars going to take care of baby “forced” to live (as you said) rather than going toward aborting one before it has a chance to live.

Harderthanyouthink-Abortions occurring because of rape are under 2% according to the statistics. As for “mistakes” by getting pregnant… we are not responsible for others’ actions and we should not have to pay. Especially when I do not agree with abortion, why should I be forced to support it by paying my tax dollars toward it?

Govt Run Health Care is NOT Constitutional, so our freedom to health care is being stolen from us by Tryants! The Govt Run Health Care is about Control and Not Health Care.
Also on the subject of Abortion…it is nothing but the Murder of innocent unborn children.

Term limits, term limits, term limits….2010,2012

wow george get control of the boys- no one wants to listen to people so rudely talking over each other….us listeners can’t decipher a word…..no wonder it takes so long in congress…everyone speaks, no one listens…I’m changing the channel