Nov 2, 2009 3:42pm

After “Messy” Process, President Obama Congratulates Afghanistan’s “Legitimate” – If Not “Credible” — President

ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:

President Obama telephoned Hamid Karzai at roughly 1:45 pm ET this afternoon, delivering to him the best wishes of the United States for a second presidential term after an election fraught with corruption and accusations of illegitimacy.

“I congratulated him on his election for a second term as president of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan,” Mr. Obama told reporters as he sat in the Oval Office next to the prime minister of Sweden. “You know, although the process was messy, I’m pleased to say that the final outcome was determined in accordance with Afghan law.”

For weeks the Obama administration insisted that if the independent body investigating election fraud ultimately concluded that Karzai had received less than 50% of the vote, Karazi and his top challenger Dr. Abdullah Abdullah would need to either enter into an election run-off or some form of unity government.

At the G-20 Summit in Pittsburgh on September 25, President Obama said “allegations of fraud in the recent election (in Afghanistan) are of concern to us” and he declared that “what's most important is that there's a sense of legitimacy in Afghanistan among the Afghan people for their government." 

Today the White House was asked if there is a sense of legitimacy in Afghanistan among the Afghan people for the Karzai government.
  
“I have no reason to believe there's not,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

Today the president said the fact that an orderly outcome – a run-off election ordered and agreed to, if not carried out – was “very important not only for the international community which has so much invested in Afghan’s success but most importantly it is important for the Afghan people that the results were in accordance with and followed the rules laid down by the Afghan constitution.”

The shift likely owes more to President Obama’s belief that at this point the least worse option in the Afghan electoral mess is to accept Karzai, who won a significant plurality of votes in August even after disputed ballots were removed from consideration.

Mr. Obama made sure to underscore his dissatisfaction with the leadership of the president whose re-election he was re-affirming, saying he told Karzai that the American people and the international community want to continue their partnership, but he also “emphasized that this has to be a point in time in which we begin to write a new chapter” in Afghanistan’s history, “based on improved governance, a much more serious effort to eradicate corruption,” and more joint training of Afghan forces “so the Afghan people can provide for their own security.”

“That kind of coordination and a sense on the part of President Karzai that after some difficult years when there’s been some drift that he is going to move boldly and forcefully forward to take advantage of the international community’s interest with his country, to initiate reform internally, that has to be one of our highest priorities,” the president said.

“He assured me that he understood the importance of this moment,” Mr. Obama reported. But, he said, he told him, “the proof is not going to be in words, it’s going to be in deeds.”

So how will this decision impact President Obama’s decision on strategy going forward in Afghanistan?

White House officials insist they never were under the impression that the next president of Afghanistan was going to be the Second Coming of Thomas Jefferson; there were always going to be issues, they say, when it came to governance, corruption, training Afghan security forces, and expanding the president’s power beyond Kabul.

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The Obama administration is splitting a diplomatic hair in its acceptance of Karzai, declaring him “legitimate” but not necessarily “credible” – not yet, anyway.

Earlier, asked if Karzai was the legitimate, credible partner President Obama and his team have repeatedly said the U.S. effort in Afghanistan needs, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that “everyone can take heart in the notion that the laws of Afghanistan and the institutions of Afghanistan prevailed. President Karzai has been declared the winner of the Afghan election and will head the next government of Afghanistan.  So, obviously, he's the legitimate leader of the country.”

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters “legitimacy is derived from the government respecting the will of the Afghan people and obeying Afghanistan's laws and institutions.
And what we're seeing so far is all of these laws and institutions being respected.”

As for Karzai’s credibility, Gibbs said, “nobody has ever made the accusation that credibility was going to be had simply out of one election,”

The White House spokesman insisted “that would have been true, quite frankly, whomever got elected and whoever participated….The conversations that now have to be had and continued with the Afghan government are the steps that they're going to take to improve their governance, to improve their civil society, and to address fraud and corruption.”

“Now begin the hard conversations about ensuring credibility,” Gibbs said. “We are focused on what has to happen in order to have a credible partner” in preparation for when U.S. troops leave the country, he said, so “when ultimately we leave, there's somebody there that can sustain the progress that's been made. Obviously, one of the things that has been talked quite a bit about in the Situation Room meetings is, how do we create an environment that best trains Afghan national army and Afghan national police as part of an Afghan national security force?”

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Karzai’s legitimacy, of course, is not so obvious to everyone. 

The first Afghan-run election, held in August, was riddled with so much fraud more than a million ballots were thrown out by the United Nations-backed Electoral Complains Commission. When Abdullah withdrew today he said he was worried fraud would continue. He had had asked Karzai to remove the head of the Independent Electoral Commission; Karzai refused.

When it was pointed out to him that quite obviously Abdullah has some questions about Karzai’s legitimacy, Gibbs said, “Dr. Abdullah made his own personal and political decision about this particular run-off.” Gibbs argued that the investigation into allegations of fraud “worked, throwing out enough votes to require a second round, and convincing President Karzai to participate in that, which clearly was not by any means a given”

Obama administration officials argued that Abdullah was likely to lose Saturday’s run-off election, and suggested his withdrawal was his seizing an opportunity to make a point about corruption.

Gibbs pointed out that even after the ballots were thrown out, “you saw that Dr. Abdullah trailed by a fairly large margin President Karzai.”

“So,” Gibbs said, “I don't think there's any reason to believe that the Afghan people won't think this government is as legitimate as it is.”

-Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller

User Comments

Obama: “Congratulations Hamid. If anyone gives you a hard time, just look ‘em, straight in the eye and say, ‘I won.’”

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 2, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Anyone think Karzi is a fan of Obama?
LOL.
And where is the great Afghan plan – version 2 – that Obama has been postponing for months?

Posted by: Windel | November 2, 2009, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

I don’t understand why Dr. Abdullah Abdullah is easily withdraw from the second round election. His reason is not persuasion.

Posted by: Analytical | November 2, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

So what is Obama’s excuse now? He has already wasted two months dithering on whether to send or not send more troops to Afghanistan. Now the election is decided, he has congratulated Karzai, what is “The One” waiting for? Obama, you need to make a decision, you cannot just vote “Present” on this one. This is your war of “Necessity” and McCrystal is your General. Well I guess you have to play a few more rounds of golf, attend fundraisers and parties at the White House. BO is full of BS.

Posted by: wizcat123 | November 2, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Now for that messy little troop reinforcement thing… You go there Obama… Let’s see you back up our troops and stop the dithering.

Posted by: Jon | November 2, 2009, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

I bet a couple of you had no idea what the word “dithering” meant until Darth Cheney spat it out.

Posted by: Scott | November 2, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

“I bet a couple of you had no idea what the word “dithering” meant until Darth Cheney spat it out.”
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Cheney would know what ‘dithering’ means – he left Afghanistan on the back burner for 7 years while the Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped and got strong enough to be doing the damage their doing now.

Posted by: tierra | November 2, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Yeah, right! Lets talk about “legitimate elections”…. In Afghanistan…. Whatever….

Posted by: Rafael_49 | November 2, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Cheney would know what ‘dithering’ means – he left Afghanistan on the back burner for 7 years while the Taliban and al Qaeda regrouped and got strong enough to be doing the damage their doing now.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 2, 2009 4:37:37 PM
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Those days are over. Cheney is not in office. Obama is. It’s his decision. It has been his decision for 9 months and he has done NOTHING and more troops than ever are dying. Cheney has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: jennifert7 | November 2, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

So the “Great One” had to call Karzai and congratulate him for the victory, while the Swedish P.M was sitting
next to him. Could anything, please just once, be done because it’s the right thing to do, and not with
the thought of “Hey, everyone, look at me, I even know how to use a phone”. There should be plenty
of time in his day to do this in private.
Question: do the photographers just hang around,
even during political talks, or where they called in?!

Posted by: 2smart4u | November 2, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Afghan / American elections both corrupt to the core, so congratulations from Mr. do nothing Obama.

Posted by: CC | November 2, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Congratulating him for what? People were threatened if they showed up to vote. What is Obama congratulating? Intimidation?

Posted by: CW | November 2, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Unocal’s man in Afghanistan survives so we can get cheap oil from the pipeline. It doesn’t matter that Afghanistan is now a NARCO state that transports heroin into the US and kills our children. We get cheap oil, and our soldiers get to defend the pipeline and the opium trade! And if they complain they get murdered by their OWN MEN like Pat Tillman… If this is America, Bush, Clinton and Obama can HAVE IT! Any American with a conscience should be ashamed! If not for what we are doing to the people of those lands, then for what we are doing to OUR OWN!

Posted by: jafo | November 2, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Obama congratulated Karzai for what? People were threatened if they showed up to vote. This is what Obama calls a “legit” election? Wow !!1

Posted by: CW | November 2, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Basketball and campaigning are more important to our leader than actually being comander in chief. His act is getting really old

Posted by: john | November 2, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

And it’s one-two-three–what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn– next stop is Viet…er..uh…Afghanistan…

Posted by: La Chatte | November 2, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Does anybody really believe that Karzai gives a rat’s backside what Obama thinks. The only thing that can achieve cooperation and compliance from Karzai is the printed money in the U.S. treasury. Oh Well, now Obama can spew more meaningless rhetoric and return to twiddling his thumbs.

Posted by: rplat | November 2, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Oh NO!!! Now BO can’t use the runnoff as an excuse to leave our troops without extra boots on the ground!!! OMG he may actually have to make a decision??? NOT if he can help it!

Posted by: lovingpolitics | November 2, 2009, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

The ignored Bush and cheney war, Afghanistan has turned into a mess for 7 years.
It is so laughable that the Republicans who made a mess and ignored the war are blaming Obama.
The logic of Republicans is No Logic At All!

Posted by: Angie | November 2, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

I am shocked that these folks did not want to sit down with the Big O (Obama, not Oprah) and work things out after he was elected POTUS. Seems it is easier to run for president than be president :)

Posted by: david | November 2, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Congratulating a man that won a corrupt election? The people who tried to vote for change were beaten and had their ears cut off? I understand now why he congradulated him it was just like our election with voter fraud, thug tactics and the corrupt ACORN!

Posted by: jimmy | November 2, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

Mr. Obama is finalizing the troops request by General McChrystal – give 3/4 of what McChrystal requested with a fall back option to blame Bush if the strategy fails.

Posted by: young_voter | November 2, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

“Drudge” has a headline photo of a thinning Obama. Given the forgoing,an appropriate caption would be, “What, me worry?”

Posted by: Michael | November 2, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

To condone the corrupt success of a
politician by Noble Laureate is food
for thought. I envey his ignorance.

Posted by: Sikkander | November 2, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

I’m too scared to decide, I’m too scared! But my obamatrons will understand me.

Posted by: jonny | November 2, 2009, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

How do we know or don’t know if this election was or was not rigged just like the election for our president?

Posted by: dashdot | November 2, 2009, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

According to the Useless Numbskulls I mean the UN, 30% of the ballots cast for Babrak Karzai were fraudulent. Even the disputed 2000 and 2004 and 2008 elections hovered between 2-4%. Hey Obama administration this isn’t calculator abuse it’s ballot box abuse you can’t possibly call this a “legitimate” or “credible” election.

Posted by: jnkesrouan | November 2, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

The ignored Bush and cheney war, Afghanistan has turned into a mess for 7 years.
Posted by: Angie | Nov 2, 2009 6:25:44 PM
Afghanistan is a difficult situation for any leader and you do the people there a great disservice by ridiculing Bush/Cheney at their. The Iraq distraction aside, Afghanistan is not a place where improvements are easily gained – especially with the drug trade. I think a lot of sincere people have worked very hard there and deserve our gratitude.
From the Human Security Report Project web site:
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August 10, 2007
Bush Administration Releases New Afghanistan Drugs Strategy
The U.S. State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs unveiled a long-delayed update to its Afghanistan counter-narcotics strategy on Thursday.
Counter-narcotics efforts to date have failed to prevent a dramatic increase in the production of opium and processed heroin in 2006, with dire consequences for the international development and reconstruction effort in Afghanistan. The State Department report concludes that “[t]he drug trade has undermined virtually every aspect of the Government of Afghanistan’s (GOA) drive to build political stability, economic growth, and rule of law and its capacity to address internal security problems.”
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I would suggest you read more about this great country and try to understand them instead of using their misfortune as an excuse to bash Bush. Even stories like The Kite Runner offer insight.
I will be majorly impressed if President Obama makes any more progress than President Bush.

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 2, 2009, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

oops – meant to say “at their expense.”

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 2, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Well – Obummer and Karzi have a lot in common… both had ballot box stuffers winning elections for them.

Posted by: clr | November 2, 2009, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

Too bad Obama couldn’t do the same in Honduras. I guess he owed Chavez a favor.

Posted by: Dave C | November 2, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Obama goes to Europe and apologizes for the arrogance of previous American, goes to Africa and tells the leaders to clean up their act, tells Afghanistan and Pakistan to get with it and do what we tell them, but it is all in the name of diplomacy not arrogance. When Putin becomes the Russian Charlie Wilson then figure out what to do with our troops.

Posted by: Pablo | November 2, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

All the Obama-bashing AmeriCONS on here fully supported George Bush when he stole the 2000 election. What makes Karzai’s offenses any worse than George Bush’s in 2000. That he is an Arab? Hypocricy is rampant throughout comments beneath Jake Tapper anti-Obama articles. Jake Tapper who in his own words is the grandson of a staunch conservative.

Posted by: Peanut | November 2, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

This is to Cir, I believe that you have that mistaken. I believe the ballot stuffers were in the Bush and Cheney elections. Thank You.

Posted by: MilWife | November 2, 2009, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

Karzai’s credibility will be determined the day the US and NATO leave Afghanistan. If the people truly elected him they will let him govern if not God help him but it is time to let him govern without any major props.

Posted by: gjkotw01 | November 2, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

If that clown is Legit then Obama is smart.

Posted by: CC | November 2, 2009, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Obama telling another president to get his act together as he trashes the US Economy and tries to drive us down into the pit of socialism. I’m sure Karzai was laughing quietly. What a joke. How’s that troop deployment coming along – last August is not getting any closer!! Did you get permission from moveon.duh and the other Marxist bloggers yet?? LOL Worst President Ever.

Posted by: shepard148 | November 2, 2009, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

young voter,
You are very good…

Posted by: tanarg | November 2, 2009, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Meanwhile….our troops die.

Posted by: Are you serious | November 2, 2009, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

To Are you serious, are you serious?Where have you been since the war in Afghanistan started in 2001? Or did you only just realize that our troops are dying? Have your ever heard of the Iraq war?

Posted by: Peanut | November 2, 2009, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

To Are you serious, are you serious?Where have you been since the war in Afghanistan started in 2001? Or did you only just realize that our troops are dying? Have your ever heard of the Iraq war?

Posted by: Peanut | November 2, 2009, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm

One worthless leader congratulates another worthless leader…
Change…. yeah, right!!

Posted by: Fed_up_with_BOTH_Parties | November 3, 2009, 1:21 am 1:21 am

“To Are you serious, are you serious? Meanwhile….our troops die.
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Where have you been since the war in Afghanistan started in 2001? Or did you only just realize that our troops are dying? Have your ever heard of the Iraq war?”
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The right wing dodo birds know no history. Just what they’ve been told by the multi-million-dollar-salaried media bozos for the right.

Posted by: tierra | November 3, 2009, 3:36 am 3:36 am

Well now Obama is EXACTLY like Karzai. They were both “legitimately” elected to office, and NEITHER are credible OR worth a damn!

Posted by: Machod | November 3, 2009, 4:22 am 4:22 am

We have our puppet in place. Now Obama can escalate the war.

Posted by: indymind | November 3, 2009, 6:50 am 6:50 am

Obama is looking for ‘circumstances beyond his control’ as cover for leaving the Taliban alone. If Americans really do want to put 9/11 behind them as though it never happened, eliminating the need to confront our enemies, then let’s get out of Afghanistan now before more of our soldiers are sacrificed on the alter of Obama-confusion.

Posted by: bluecollarbytes | November 3, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am

For some reason this sure smells like a Chicago style election. Abdullah’s dropping out was somewhat convenient don’t ya think?

Posted by: hkdakota | November 3, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am

The right wing dodo birds know no history. Just what they’ve been told by the multi-million-dollar-salaried media bozos for the right.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 3, 2009 3:36:34 AM
The “right-wing dodo birds” do understand that President Obama announced his Af-Pak strategy in March and except for spending more money and sending more troops, he has yet to accomplish much. Now he is rethinking his plan that he implemented 8 just months ago. I guess that’s “Change You Can Be Confused With.”
He was supposed to be “the most prepared President ever” according to press reports last December. He steals the previous administration’s Ag-Pak plan, waits 6 months and then changes his mind.
Obama announced that an additional 17,000 U.S. troops would be sent to Afghanistan. 4,000 (not sure if that’s part of the 17,000 or more troops) will train Afghan soldiers and the national police. Obama said in March that they will have more than 130,000 soldiers and 82,000 police officers trained by 2011. He said the rest of the troops will be given expanded counter-terrorism assignments and charged with defeating Al Qaeda, not just killing them in isolation.
So what’s the progress in those areas? Anyone? Feel free to jump in…

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 3, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am

I know they formally congratulated him, but I have to agree with some of the media outlets that are saying this is going to for sure complicate things with the Obama administration.

Posted by: Stephanie | November 3, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am

We need to get out of AfPak.
This is going to be a bigger disaster than Vietnam with O running the show.
Too bad we went from the bumbling Bush to this. America deserves better than what we have been spoon fed by the corrupt two party system.

Posted by: Lincoln | November 3, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

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