Dem Defections Pile Up on Health Care

Let’s all hope that there are enough sane and independent thinkers in the House of Representatives who will tell Nancy P. where she can stck her stinker of a bill and prevent its passage. The American people do not want this 2000 page mess!!!!

jhw539
Have no fear. Obama will take care of
his own…..with Soros money, if neces-
sary.

Have no fear. Obama will take care of
his own…..with Soros money, if neces-
sary.
grizzlybare | Nov 6, 2009 9:30:50 PM
What does that even mean? Is the right wing now just stringing together ominous words like some sort of malevolent sentence generating program?

Pay your $15,000 per American family per year healthcare bill to your government, or be fined $250,000 and/or spend 5 years in jail. It’s in the Bill! http://tinyurl.com/ykhk3k3
DJ | Nov 6, 2009 10:39:36 PM
More paranoid exageration from the right wing. Yeah, if you DON’T PAY YOUR TAXES, including the watered down penalty for not carrying health insurance (ie, freeloading off the ER system for catastrophic coverage), you can go to jail. Guess what – if you claim your dog as a dependent to not pay income tax, you could go to jail to.
BREAKING NEWS FROM REPUBLICANS: IF YOU REFUSE TO PAY YOUR TAXES YOU MAY GO TO JAIL – THIS IS THE DEMOCRATS FAULT!!11!

This is truly a great day for America. A day where no American should have to die from lack of health care. I for one am glad to see this historic day and am glad I gave Obama and the Democrats my vote.
It is a pleasure to see American’s stand up to those who claim to be looking out for America. The constitution begins with “We the people…” and tomorrow the voices of the majority will finally be heard over the minority, corporations and special interest.

The fine or jail clause is in the Pelosi bill, but not the Senate bill. jhw539 doesn’t have all the information. As to special interests, the unions are getting big time payments out of this bill. I don’t know where all this strong arming from the insurance companies is coming from. Obama’s people threatened them into silence, like they do all dissenters. Health care will not be free. You will have to pay for it. The IRS will decide what you can afford. That’s in the bill whether you want to believe it or not.

“The fine or jail clause is in the Pelosi bill, but not the Senate bill. jhw539 doesn’t have all the information.”
pam | Nov 6, 2009 11:49:29 PM
CITE THE PAGE AND LINE NUMBER. The bill is posted online and has been for a while now – we all have all the information. Jailing is not in the bill. The bill cites a fine be levied as a tax if you do not carry insurance. THAT’S IT. If you don’t pay your taxes, yes you can go to jail, happened to almost 500 people last year. How shocking.
Again, if you are not grossly exaggerating and/or flat out lying, CITE THE PAGE AND LINE NUMBER MANDATING “JAILING”.

Yes, we spend a lot on health care, but we are also the richest country in the world.
arkady | Nov 6, 2009 11:38:24 PM
And for spending on average twice as much per person our life expectancy is LOWER than average – even though we smoke less and have literally seen acts of Congress to keep a brain dead woman ‘alive’.

I’m going to make it even easier for you. Us intelligent people who DIDN’T fall under the spell of the messiah-of-Hopenchange always have to pick up the slack (and pay the bill).
““Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]“

I’m also going to call you out on your “life expectancy is lower than average” statement. I want you to back that up with actual FACTS, with citations for reference. Because I have intimate knowledge in this discipline, and I KNOW you can’t back that up!
Waiting ..
Posted by: DJ | Nov 7, 2009 12:13:03 AM
The current CIA world factbook, life expectency by country. United States is FIFTIETH in the world, just ahead of Albania. Google it up.
So does documented and cited reality have any impact on your opinions at all? And your intimate knowledge seems to be wrong – go ahead and pick out the first world countries from that list and you’ll see how woeful the US life expectancy really is. Where is your cite?

““Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]”
DJ | Nov 7, 2009 12:06:30 AM
That is not from section 7201 in the health care bill (the pdf is text searchable so I welcome everyone to check me on this). “the code” you posted above IS NOT THE HEALTH CARE BILL. It is standard old tax law.
You’re posting tax laws and thinking you’re making a point? You’re just reinforcing what I already said: If you don’t pay your taxes for long enough, you might go to jail. DUH.

“The bill cites a tax penalty if you don’t carry insurance. If you don’t pay your taxes long enough, you go to jail (fewer than 500 people went to jail last year btw, although many many more were caught trying to cheat on their taxes).”
Well buddy. As long as it’s there, I’m assuming that they’re pretty serious about every American being forced to pay $1,250 per month ON TOP OF what they’re already paying in income and FICA tax or they will go to jail. If they’re not, then they would have taken it out! Pardon us if the “oh they’d almost never put anyone in jail over this” you spewed doesn’t make us feel any better. The JCT confirmed that this clause was INTENTIONALLY LEFT IN THE BIL EVEN AFTER REPEATED REQUESTS FROM *DEMOCRATS*. It is absolutely INTENTIONAL that they left this clause for penalties in the Bill! And after viewing the strong-arm thuggery of this Speaker, I am not comforted by your assurance. Additionally, at any given time, there are thousands of people in jail due to income tax infractions. So your “no biggie” is really ridiculous.

We must show our congressmen and senators our outrage , write them email call lets on Monday tie up[ the computers the phones in Washington this weekend let us start a email campaign , lets show the health care company people power , email President Obama remind him we work for change, our voices said yes we can. and we can show congress we will not allow them to be in bed with the insurgence company. Email Michelle Bachman the waste of skin who organized the thud in DC yesterday tell her how she is spreading the lies of the insurers hope they have bribed her well. Lets do it.!!!!!!!

I budget for and pay my own healthcare expenses. I do not want to have to pay for anyone elses. Let them take on their own responsibilities in life. There will always be a segment of CITIZENS in our society who are not able to meet their social obligations and for them there can be legislation so that they have Doctor visit, Rx and catistrophic coverage. For the rest of the citizens who choose to have toys and depend on the rest of us for what they consider a RIGHT under the Constitution I suggest they consider the responsibilities that go along with any rights they do have.

In other words, the Democratic Party is the PARTY OF NO!!

JWH. I can afford my health care just fine. So dont say WE when it doesnt apply to 80% of us that are just fine with the current system. Maybe if you got a job you too could afford insurance! cant afford the spiraling

You are already paying the bill for health care. This bill will help defray the costs for if they continue to rise, every time someone without insurance goes to the emergency room, your costs go up. It is a fact…What you need to do to wake up is get out and speak to the people who have no insurance and see what they are facing, cost wise,family wise,medical wise. So many foreclosures have been due to health care costs…that is also a fact. The people who could not afford the house in the first place and lost their homes, the banks should suffer, but the people who are losing their homes due to health care costs are the ones we need to help. We are all Ameericans and we are tbe only nations without some form of health care. I am willing to pay for those who are losing their homes due to healt problems. The ones who are losing their homes due to bad judgement…No.

How can it be that government run Medicare and Medicade for seniors is ok but health for younger people is not Should we vote to remove Medicare and Medicade since it cost us taxpayers so much money ? Something seems to be missing here, I wonder what could it be – neurons perhaps !

Hmm, Pile Up? Let’s see. Health Care Reform, page 110, lines 9-16, (A) “Abortions for which Public Funding is Prohibited.”
That clearly states that what is already in the law regarding public funding will Not be changed.
Lines 17-24 on page 110, (B) “Abortions for which Public Funding is Allowed.”
That clearly states that what is already in the law regarding public funding will Not be changed.
There is no change in what the Republican Senate and Republican Congress already decided regarding public funding.
Just what part of “No change” do the Republicans, conservatives, Tea party enthusiats Don’t understand?

Maybe some of the Dems have been reading the Constitution and have realized that funding/providing health care is not one of the enumerated powers granted to the federal government.

How many who oppose government health care have bought their own policy? The government pays now 39% of health care costs between Medicare ,Medicaid, grants to hospitals , public employees,. As an employer why is it my responsibility to take care of employee health care, as coasts increase around 8$ a year , I have to spend more time trying to help workers get services approved. All I say I don’t want to deal with it. I have a software company to run. Let the government handle it I will increase pay equal to any tax increase.

There a lot of workers out helping the big shots get rich by working for minimum wage, of course no benefits, try paying for rent ect. working two jobs that can barely get by. I am not one of them but I want a public option. I had a premature birth in England, baby in intensive care for three months, I was in and out of the hosptal for 12 days the cost ZERO. My neice in with brain damage, six operations the cost ZERO the place England My son who is a US citizen needs back surgery , as a private patient without insurance in the States $60,000, in England the same operation, $20,000. I have worked here since 1958 and now a US citizen and paid taxes etc. My last stay in the hospital for three days was $1,200 for my co-pay, I had one catscan and one Xray and it was the sharp eye on a NURSE that stopped me from having surgery, not the Dr. The care was excellent in all cases

Well DJ… Where the hell are ya man? We need some of your “intimate knowledge” to understand how the world’s only major for-profit health care system gives us a life expectancy worse than Albania’s at a cost twice what other advanced economies pay per person.

The health care loby lost tonight we the people won . next the senate as a small busnies owner I won tonite , nay sayer this ones a nobrainer for a small company I support it 100%

Democrats against healthcare: Shame. We’ll remember you come the next election.

I don’t particularly like penalizing people who can’t afford insurance, but something has to be done to control the health care industry. The whole industry is more about money than helping people. My wife recently had a kidney stone, and the insurance company was charged $5200 for sitting in the waiting room 5 hrs. getting a CT-scan, a prescription, and a basket to urinate in, for a total of 15 minutes of actual care, 1 minute of which was with the doctor. Tell me nothing is wrong with health care.