Gitmo Detainees Intend to Plead Not Guilty in U.S. Court

Of course they will. Bring on the not guilty pleas, I have faith in our court system, among the best and most respected in the world.

Of course they will. Bring on the not guilty pleas, I have faith in our court system, among the best and most respected in the world.
Posted by: jhw539
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What a funny little man you are.. Eric Holder has already said if the terrorist are found “Not Guilty” they will still be detained in prison….Justice served?… A man found not guilty by his peers? And still remains in prison?.. HA HA HA The left wing speaks..and nothing but nonsense comes out

I have faith in the judicial system. I don’t have faith in the DOJ. What if some nut case on the jury votes “not guilty”. If thta happens, the democrat party will only exist in history books.

And let the circus begin. This will no doubt be one of Obama’s dumbest decisions (at least I sure hope it is!)

The military commissions were good enough for FDR, good enough for congess and the Supreme Court, and until recently good enough for Barack Obama. The decision has not been explained. The apparent rationale of trying those who kill soldiers abroad before MC’s while trying those who kill civilians on American soil in federal court is nothing less than insanely irrational.
Asked in the Senate for an example of a terrorist who had been seized abroad and convicted in federal court, Holder could not name one, and appeared not to have considered the question.
Asked whether Osama bin Laden, were he to be captured abroad, must br read his Miranda rights, Holder could not answer, and appeared not to have considered the quesion.
Senator Leahy ventured the opinion that there would be no reason not to read him his rights because we already had abundant evidence to convict him. The idea that bin Laden might have vital intelligence information that could be learned through interrogation did not seem to have occurred to him.
Is it not crystal clear that these people are fools?

“Our Constitution does not require that life be fair, only that the branches of government have in place adequate safeguards to prevent a single branch from gaining excessive power.”
The purpose of the Constitution is not to have a balance of power among three branches; the purpose of the balance of power is to protect individual liberty. Indefinite detention after a not-guilty verdict does not just interfere with that goal, it destroys it.

Eric Holder has already said if the terrorist are found “Not Guilty” they will still be detained in prison….Justice served?
mickey maoist | Nov 23, 2009 12:23:10 PM
And I thought rose colored glasses were for the eco freaks preaching veganism…
Yes, justice served. Our Constitution does not require that life be fair, only that the branches of government have in place adequate safeguards to prevent a single branch from gaining excessive power. If two out of three of the branches agree to throw them away without a key, good enough for me. Just do it in a manner that does not set a dangerous king-like precedent for Executive power that could harm our nation in the future.
We’ve already seen most (if not all) of those innocent of any crime against America let free (such as the Uighurs, according to everyone except the Chinese agents invited to ‘interrogate’ them at Gitmo). That’s a sign of the system starting to work again; the President isn’t allowed his own private dungeon. Period.
Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 23, 2009 12:40:06 PM
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You are right, our Constitution does not require that life be fair. So I would hope someone explains that to Mr. Redistribution of Wealth Obama before he takes another step.
But let’s discuss what’s NOT fair. What’s NOT fair is the fact that THOUSANDS of innocent Americans had to die at the hands of murderers because 1) they don’t like our foreign policy and 2) we don’t worship Allah. I don’t care what the liberals say, we DID NOT provoke them to attack us. It was a vile, vicious, cowardly attack on their part simply because they HATE us and everything we stand for. And, as we saw just weeks ago in Fort Hood, it will CONTINUE to happen. This is not a political battle for them, it is an ideological and religious battle. It does not matter who holds the office of president. It does not matter what the Secretary of State does. It does not matter that we even have Muslims living in this country. What matters is that we DO NOT worship Allah. Period. So, go ahead Obama, try to “work with” the Islamics we “are not at war with”. Appease and apologize for all the fear mongering we do because, well, we are fearful of a future attack. Send more and more money to countries that have NO interest in changing their ways or trying to work with us. Make sure we continue to have the media hound those “crazy” people like Palin and Beck, but PLEASE don’t pre-judge those extremist who have made their way into our military and carried out a terrorist attack on base. While you’re doing that and they are plotting their next attack, maybe someone in your administration can find another way to blame Bush for…well I’m sure they’ll think of something.

because they HATE us and everything we stand for.
Posted by: Shoe
and, what do ‘we’ stand for….

we don’t worship Allah
Posted by: Shoe
maybe it’s payback for the Crusades way back when, when the christians attacked the muslims, some people have really long memories

“Our Constitution does not require that life be fair, only that the branches of government have in place adequate safeguards to prevent a single branch from gaining excessive power.”
Oh yeah, right. Obama has nearly 40 unelected czars to make decisions on behalf of the Executive Branch with no accountability to Congress or the people–a clear violation of the Constitution. Yet except for a condemnation from Byrd (which was ignored), Congress and the MSM are silent.

B.H. Obama, May 21, 2009:
“Military commissions have a history in the United States dating back to George Washington and the Revolutionary War. They are an appropriate venue for trying detainees for violations of the laws of war. They allow for the protection of sensitive sources and methods of intelligence-gathering; they allow for the safety and security of participants; and for the presentation of evidence gathered from the battlefield that cannot always be effectively presented in federal courts.”

“… the purpose of the balance of power is to protect individual liberty.”
Of American citizens. The Founders did not undertake the protect the individual liberty of everyone, everywhere.
Lawful indefinite detention without trial does not require that a crime has been committed, nor does a not guilty verdict at a criminal trial render continued detention unlawful.

the village idiot to wreak that kind of havoc all by himself. Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas
you are correct, but he did have able assistance from the rest of the GOP

Isn’t this what Obama has in mind?
Give the terrorist a platform so they can get their message out?
Isn’t this Obama’s underlying agenda?
Give the terrorist a chance to demean America, make Bush look bad.
Payback for all those years stuck in GITMO, and for harsh interrogations.
Obama doesn’t care about the families of 9/11, or the danger NYC may face because of the trial–it’s his idea of justice, twisted justice.

Yep, sounds like a match made in heaven.
Obama with his liberal cohorts & these lovely gentlemen from the Middle Eastern Tourism Bureau!

the President isn’t allowed his own private dungeon. Period.
LOL, try telling that to those Japanese families that put in caps and had their freedoms curtailed by FDR.
The levels of the restrictions were obviously different, but it was still imprisonment based solely on race during wartime.

“Of American citizens. The Founders did not undertake the protect the individual liberty of everyone, everywhere.”
The Founders did not protect liberty in our own nation at the time of signing thanks to a determined band of slave owners.
But it was a start.
So do you think natural rights as conceived by the Founders only apply to United States citizens or are they the rights of all human beings?

Visualize Whirled Peas, Yowsa You must let Carter, Johnson and Clinton along with Barny Frank (everything is OK at Freddie and Fannie) in on this little secret on how to bring down the Economy of the US. Oh, wait, They invented it!

As much as YOU want us to treat everyone in the world as we would any US citizen, THEY want to treat us and the rest of the world as THEY treat people in their own country!
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So you want us to stoop to their level? You want to let them degrade us to behaving like them?

This move to put these enemies of our nation on trial in a federal court in NYC is truly baffling. The link below goes to the Dept. of Defense site which outlines the Military Commission cases which were underway on these five individuals, as well as the huge number of motions they filed:

So, go ahead Obama, try to “work with” the Islamics we “are not at war with”.
Shoe | Nov 23, 2009 1:46:17 PM
So you call a world-record rate of assassinations by Predator drone “work(ing) with” terrorists? Doubling the number of troops in Afghanistan “work(ing) with” the Taliban? Maintaining Bagram holding operations “work(ing) with” enemy combatants? And I suppose Obama coddled those Somali pirates by shooting them in the head.

To all you worriers, relax….
Do you really think these guys are going to walk away from their trial judged as not guilty? Not a chance! No American judge is going to find them anything less than guilty as charged. Justice will be served up with 2nds and 3rds. By the end of 2010 they will each be swinging from a strong rope.

Keep them at Gitmo and try them in a military tribunal.
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Officials within the Bush administration Department of Justice have come out publicly in support of the current approach. You can grouse if you want, but legal experts support the move.

It’s mind boggling how weak and cowardly the far right fringe of the Republican party is. You ‘conservatives’ are have so little faith and so much fear that you’re allowing a couple of terrorists to dictate the US justice system?

p2 / Was just one of them. As president Obama plans to go to Copenhagen in December to sign the Agenda 21 treaty, which will turn all U. S. law over to the U. N. to become Nation law by the treaty for carbon tax collections, and heavy fines upon you. Making the U. S. a communist law country. All based on a false flag agenda to swindle you out of your dollars again, collected by. Guess who? Al Gore having the monopoly on the carbon tax, making him a trillionaire in no time over this false global warming. Al Gore has just been caught this week photo shop paste and cutting the atmosphere photos for his new book. That was never check by a fifth grader to point out he posted hurricanes flowing in the wrong direction of natural flow. Guess he will have to give up that Nobel Peace Prize. As University students feel their education was a waste of education on global warming. The students now plan to hold public book burnings at local book stores, of Al Gore’s books. The word treason was used heavily.

p3 / Over 30,000 scientist have signed affidavits showing that global warming is not real, and yet. Every invitation given to debate with Al Gore has been declined in order not to expose his Nobel Peace Prize lies. So what kind of country are we living in now? It’s not what your parents, grandparents, and their grandparents fought so hard for. Just so we can set back and worry about the latest sports scores or dancing with the stars mind set. This is a time to expose the communist laws being put upon the U. S. before the December Agenda 21 carbon tax treaty is signed. Did you know that the president of Kenya has admitted that Obama was born there and they have built a memorial of him, not knowing about the U. S. constitution law prohibiting him from even running for president. It is treason to do so. News articles are saying that if he doe’s sign the treaty, he will not be let back into the U. S. because he is really wanted as a illegal alien in this country, and must be deported. As five specialist have researched his birth right certificate as a fake with digital discrepancy’s.

p5/ If your not sick and tired of being manipulated like you had no brain. Than there is no more inportant topic than this one right now.

@Right wing wrong , oh, I forgot.. I love how when someone disagrees with this that ALL you can do is call them names.
Give me facts as to how this is going to work. How are they going to get around ALL these issues that would normally get a person in our court systems in the US off on a Technicality?
What happens if they are found not guilty?

ThEy have already got their message out – ON 9/11!

,DO YOU REALLY THINK the people that hate us are going to see it as a FAIR TRIAL?
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Doesn’t matter – we do what we think is right, not what they think is right.

@tierra… so no answers to my questions?

@ tierra, How are we going to get around the little problem of “Mirand”?
How are we going to get around “Torture”?
How are we going to get around, “Right to Speedy Trial”?
If we are going to have a “Fair” trial.

How are we going to get around the little problem of “Mirand”?
Posted by: ajax | Nov 23, 2009 6:16:25 PM
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I’m not a lawyer, nor a legal expert. Have you done any research on this?

“…you’re allowing a couple of terrorists to dictate the US justice system?”
We conservatives didn’t allow it; Obama and Holder did. KSM’ first words upon capture were “I’ll see you in New York with my lawyer.” Obama has now granted his wish, although there was no need, nor even any reason, to do so.
As for the questions some have raised about Mianda, speedy trial, coerced testimony and the rest, as a former trial lawyer I can say that I have no idea what the answers are, and I haven’t seen anything from anyone who purports to know.
There is a good chance that, in an effort to avoid acquittals for these fiends, the trial and appellate courts will establish some legal precedents that civil libertarians will not like at all–as the saying goes, “hard cases make bad law.”
I have yet to hear a defense of this decision other than that it “sets an example to the world.” That is not a sound reason. Another term for that sort of thing is “show trial.”

There is a good chance that….
Posted by: Fascist Hyena
what happens if they do get off?
Posted by: ajax
ever notice how most of the frightened rightwingers avoid reality by posting multiple ‘what if’s', maybe’s, good chance,
next, we will will hear that the reason for the trials not to be held in federal courts will be:
‘they will call us bad names’

Lost in all this hysterical babble is the fact that New York city juries have already put two terrorists behind bars for the rest of their miserable lives. Why do so many of you lack confidence in our judicial system as one means of fighting terrorism?

how many of you have ever been to Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba or even Kosovo?? if you have been there, lived among the people then chances are your opinions come from what you see on the news – hello, the news is mostly liberal and biased. don’t make comments on things you know nothing about!!!!