Global Warming Partisan Divide

Weakening magnetic field, active sun cycle? Earth has been considerably hotter in the past. Too many variables to be conclusive. That said we should all conserve and research alternative energy sources.

Real science does not depend upon how many republicans, democrats, scientists or the general public believe something.
It’s not about belief it’s about data. the data do not show that man can do anything to alter climate. Congress needs to give ear to Britain’s Lord Monckton (who Al Gore does not choose to debate) and MIT’s Professor Richard Lindzen and view their data.
Real science keeps an open door for all the evidence. Obama, like Al Gore, has chosen to favor consensus science as opposed to experimental science. However, even the consensus is changing unless they shop carefully for the political correct, as did Waxman-Markey!

The imminence of Global Warming is the not the most pressing question. Because most of the proposed “Global Warming” legislation is aimed at reducing man’s output of CO2, the most important question is that of man’s actual contribution to any possible global warming. A recent Pew Research Center poll shows that only 36% of responders felt that human activities are causing any possible temperature increase.
Given the unknown of man’s effect and the recent revelations from the CRI emails which brings into question the very basis of the Global Warming claims, and given the extremely negative economic consequences that would result from the CO2 reductions being bandied about and possibly considered in the U. S. Congress, I would expect that ABC News would immediately undertake a very in-depth study to obtain the truth for all Americans.
Also, if it is determined that the Oceans will rise to destructive levels in the near future then any legislation being considered should be aimed at helping those affected rather than limiting our lifestyle.

Global warming may or may not be happening but as we now know, all that’s certain about global warming, is that it is definitely man-made.
Made up by the huge UN sponsored climatic research industry, to justify its own existence.
Shameful.

For most of this week I like most minded people have been completely absorbed by the revelations coming from the e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at The University of East Anglia. Given the lack of reporting from the “trusted” alphabet soup of news organizations, ABC,CBS,CNN,BBC we have ourselves read the e-mails and inspected the notes in the code. My understanding is that the CRU headed by Dr Jones supplied the data in their possession to the United Nations IPCC to support the UN goal of implementing Cap and Trade legislation on the whole world in order to combat a man made contribution to the destruction of the world. A “if we do not act quickly there is no hope scenario” much like the financial bailouts No Time to Think Trust Us This is TOO BIG TO FAIL! Trust is what the e-mails from the CRU speak to and manifest. How can I trust the data used to create the theory that Global Warming was man made and not influenced more by an object 93 million miles away that constitutes 99% of the mass of the solar system and in which we live, in its “atmospheric influence”, recognizing that it only takes 8 min for the warm to reach us. All we ever asked for was Show Us the Math!, well we have seen the math and we have seen collusion, and we have seen stifling of criticism or inspection, and we have seen the trick of adding real temps where your code fails so that anyone else that has records from 1961 on cannot refute your algorithm, and we have seen willful and criminal misuse of US taxpayers money (Roger’s missed trip and all the stuff you did not buy that US hardworking and suffering taxpayers paid for through the NOAA), and we have seen the deliberate destruction of evidence in the face of Freedom of Information Act requests. I am more concerned about what we have not seen. I have not seen or heard a peep from Al Gore. I still see the President of the United States prepared to agree to putting a greater burden on the US taxpayer in the now unfounded belief that somehow man was responsible for this last period of warming that certainly ended more than 10YEARS AGO! Hide the decline my great-mother! I as a law abiding tax paying citizen of the United States Demand a Federal Investigation of this matter Climategate!

Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There’s a consensus that it’s going to change, so they’ve decided to keep us in the dark.
James Taranto

The CRU no longer even has the raw data:
People will go to jail over this. There is no hiding behind credentials and “Science” anymore.
There is now no proof of global warming because there is no reliable record of temps before about 1960 and the space age. The job of the CRU was to be the repository of the past data. If they have trashed the raw data it will have to be reconstructed and much of the raw data will probably have been lost (because everyone thought that the CRU had it).

“GLOBAL WARMING DENIERS”…A HEINOUS CRIME COMING SOON TO A JURISDICTION NEAR YOU. When an opinion is irrefutable by study and logic just make it another thought crime.

ABC… Where is your critical reporting on this issue? My eyes are now open as I see you align yourself with one party line. Hopefully other Americans will also see how corrupt the network news really is.

Global Warming is manmade. Just look at the emails by the supposed ‘top-notch’ scientists who scuttled any evidence to the contrary. Scientists have for years been dismissing opposing data that indicates that there is no scientific basis to point to man as the chief cause of global warming.
The global warming theorists have been propping up their theory with biased data for decades. Therefore global warming IS manmade. A manmade hoax.

ABC – You call this reporting a week late ? George – what do say to the kids ?
Daddy, why are we killing the polar bears with global warming ?
Oh sweetie, come here and sit down for a minute. You see, certain scientists told the world some lies about this thing called global warming. Then, leaders from around the world supported those lies and told more lies of their own. Even our leaders here in America told us lies too about how this made-up thing would hurt people.
Look peanut, these people did a really bad thing. Their lies have cost trillions of dollars and wasted people’s time and energy all around the world. But now these bad people have been caught lying so don’t worry, the polar bears will be fine and we will all be ok.
Now I want you to go out and play and stop thinking about this stuff some people at school and other places have put in your head. Go out and have fun and just remember, don’t tell lies, they might affect the whole world someday.
End of Story

Bush = obama = Beck from now on will will just vote people in form the other side.

It’s not just the email that is damning, it’s the code that proves fraud.
Unfortunately, politicians are in too deep to change their views now, particularly since a potentially new revenue stream is coming up in the Senate called cap and trade.

Global warming is Mann-made. Thanks for the fraud on all of us Michael.

Sure seems that the deniers have hijacked this one. Yes, some of the emails are shameful. I’ll look forward to reading ALL of your emails in the near future when you provide them to the public.
Emails are not science. What amazes me is how you can ignore the science that is there? The glaciers all got together with the artic ice and decided to melt for no reason? Ocean levels decided to rise because it was fun? One day I hear these are due to changes in the sun’s cycle (why believe that science?) Another day I hear they are not happening.
I guess the best solution from the points of view given above is to buy more sand, so you can all bury your heads deeper in it.

Your reporting is exactly what I would expect.
I was at Purdue University in 1970 when you showed TV film footage of the riots at Purdue – Just one problem THERE WERE NO RIOTS – no student gatherings – nothing!!!! In other words YOU LIED just like you and the rest of the alphabet soup is lying now about Global Warming.
The 1917 Congressional Record shows banking interests bought out the news media that year and we haven’t had fair unbiased reporting ever since!
I hope being a traitor to your country and the people of the world as you sell them out to the bankers pays well enough to quiet your Conscience. Especially when in coming years you see what you have done to this once great country.
Do not believe me? Then check out the document written by Lord Stern, World Bank Chief Economist last May. Lord Stern published a set of proposals for a global deal on climate change at the London School of Economics and Political Science. The document, was called Key Elements of a Global Deal.
Then check out the morality of the World Bank/IMF
“Today I resigned from the staff of the International Monetary Fund after over 12 years, and after 1000 days of official fund work in the field, hawking your medicine and your bag of tricks to governments and to peoples in Latin America and the Caribbean and Africa. To me, resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind’s eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. Mr. Camdessus, the blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers. It dries up too; it cakes all over me; sometimes I feel that there is not enough soap in the whole world to cleanse me from the things that I did do in your name and in the name of your predecessors, and under your official seal…..”
Or look at Confessions of an Economic Hitman – describing how as a highly paid professional, John Perkins helped the World Bank. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then take over their economies.
“….He was an amazing man, Torrijos. And so, he died in a fiery airplane crash, which was connected to a tape recorder with explosives in it, which—I was there. I had been working with him. I knew that we economic hit men had failed. I knew the jackals were closing in on him, and the next thing, his plane exploded with a tape recorder with a bomb in it. There’s no question in my mind that it was C.I.A. sanctioned, and most—many Latin American investigators have come to the same conclusion. Of course, we never heard about that in our country….”
These are the people who are plotting to be our new lords and masters with the help of U.N NGOs, the corrupt news media and the Poltical Activists they have duped for years.

As we are now saying here over the pond in the UK – We now know global warming is man made – and we all know the Mann who made it.

lizma, is Obama’s concern for being a global president what is driving him forward on health care reform ahead of AGW action? Your statement on that makes no sense, and is purely inflammatory.
Cap and trade hits some businesses and supports other businesses, all in the US. Why is it that people love coal companies? Coal companies do not contributea large amount to the US economy, and when transmission costs, rail costs, non-AGW environmental costs, and health effects are considered (we do pay for them, one way or another), coal COSTS our economy (meaning you and me) money. Not hard to figure out, if you take the time.

Mother earth is self regulating. If the earth gets too hot, she blows up a volcano. If we get to plentiful she creates a nice little virus or maybe another volcano or earthquake. Sure, clean air and clean water is important but make no mistake we are all just along for a ride on this planet. If the earth wants to rid itself of humans, see ya!!!!! and there is not a dang thing we can do about it.

previous comment: “It’s not about belief it’s about data. the data do not show that man can do anything to alter climate.” — This is a false presumption. The only explanation that fits all the data is that greenhose gases produced by humans are indeed the main cause of the recent climate shift. Everything else has been taken into account and ruled out. We see a lot of baseless conjectures being thrown around, but where are the scientific studies that disagree with AGW?

First, it’s not the email that is damning! IT’S the CODE that has notations on it advising how the data is manipulated to result in an “appropriate” warming curve. HELLO!!! RE-READ WHAT I JUST WROTE!!! To heck with the emails!!! THE notations on the code are straight up proof that these so called scientists were cooking the books.
Additionally, if this issue has boiled down to a political point- then one should question the science behind it automatically- what is the motivation? Who’s pockets are being lined? (besides Algore’s) and when is Oxygen Hydroxide (aka H2O) going to be considered a pollutant as it is water vapor that accounts for far more “global warming”. CO2 output by humans is a mere .02% of total atmospheric CO2.

George,
Thanks for belatedly approaching this subject. This is the other shocker in the Climategate scandal, that corporate news organizations are virtually silent on this potentially huge topic. This smells of politically correct “journalism”. Edward R.Murrow where are you?

I too was amazed at Krugman’s response to the coverup and lying going on, until I remembered who he works for. Man, follow the money is a great three word phrase. How many pages did the senate take to say Louisiana? Krugman may be articulate and use a bunch of fancy words, but if he does not balance his own checkbook what then? The truth always finds a way. These people need crisis to rob us. Good luck you arrogant egg heads…

Environmentalism is 100% fraud. The AlGorian religion is based on lies and fraud. The high priests of the AlGorian religion have been exposed. The only people who buy this snake oil are those who are already convinced that international totalitarian marxism is the way to go. no one with an ounce of common sense believes that socialist Cap and Tax will change the climate.

Fortunately, the UK press is going after this more so than our main (lame) stream media. And, just today I read where the University of East Anglia, where the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) is housed is now starting an investigation of the scientists and the climate research program. They are ensuring that all data and source codes will be made available for scrutiny. Penn State, where Michael Mann is employed, is also gearing up to have a look/see at just what the eminent climate scientist has been up to. It will be interesting what the journals Science and Nature publish this week in their editions. Once this is reported on by Science, Nature and other publications, and the universities launch their own investigations then the lame stream media will reluctantly have to join in. The politicians will have, and keep, their heads in the sand, as usual.

Where is the hue and cry from the scientists who don’t believe in global warming? Oh I see, there aren’t any. Still, I’m a plumber, so I know just as much as they do, right? After all, what is science except something practiced by a bunch of know-it-alls. Who really needs science anyway, or any education for that matter? I always say, don’t be an elitist. If you need a doctor, see a plumber. If a scientist says something you don’t believe, find a TV pundit who will tell you the scientist is wrong.

I just performed another review of H.R. 2454 as submitted to the senate and it is undoubtedly the worst ever bill concocted by the congress. It opposes personal freedoms to a degree that I find it hard to believe any lawmaker would vote for it. It would have a federal government over-running state sovereignty to a degree never before proposed. Certainly those who sponsored or voted for this bill do not hold the constitution or state’s rights in very high esteem. Also the cost impact to the individual and family has been underestimated to the point of fraud. This bill should it become law will destroy the economy, eliminate jobs, increase the size of the federal and state governments and who knows what other unconsidered trickle-down impacts and costs.
Today it’s not just tea-baggers who are in opposition since the AGW fraud has been exposed and has been given a name CLIMATE-GATE it is not going away. I think it would be political suicide for any elected official to support this bill. Al Gore declined to debate Lord Monckton on the subject and Henry Waxman cancelled an invitation for Lord Monckton to appear opposite Al Gore in his hearing, so my conclusion is fraud, fraud, fraud! Real science respects an open door, not a closed door. Gore and the IPCC tout a consensus but the petition against AGW now has 31,478 scientists and 9,029 PhDs as signatories, so it seems that it is not only public opinion that is waning..

ABC Please report on this I’d like to get the facts. Not just the spin from these right wing nut jobs

Scientific data shows that most of the planets in our solar system are also showing evidence of ‘warming’.
I wonder what we did to cause that?

We are missing the big issue here that if Obama signs The Copenhagen Treaty it would supersede the Constitution of the United States and Bill of Rights. This treaty is based on the “Global Warming/Climate Change” scam which will be used to set up taxes paid to a “communist, one‐world government”. How come we do not see a in depth report on ABC? Where is John Stossel and Hugh Downs when we need them?

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With ClimateGate, Global Warming Scientists have proven themselves to be the Bernie Madoffs of environmentalism
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The data that was released with all the email hacked from CRU this last week, known as “ClimateGate”, will change the debate on Global Warming. The emails are bad, but the data files are worse. CRU looks to have lost large parts of their data and made the new files conform to expected values. The programmer comment files are worth reading as he could validate very little of the data that remained, and made quite a bit up to fit expected values just to make the program work. As many peer reviewed papers use CRU data as a basis of their paper, and CRU can be shown to have submitted bad data, this calls into question the entire paper. As professional reputations are on the line, the fallout will be interesting to watch.

How can you continue to put Krugman on? What an inane apologist for everything liberal, collectivist, dangerous and criminal. “just the way they talk amongst themselves”? Really? George! Cokie! Somebody wake up! Hello, there hasn’t been any global warming in ten years. Can you hear me now?

If it wasnt for global warming in the past we’d still be in an ice age. Earth is in a constant state of change people. It warms then it cools then it warms again.

Paul Krugman leaves you wondering if all economists are equally as corrupt as these “climate scientists.”

Hmmm… this is some thread. First off, I agree with Krugman. I don’t know what world you live in, but climate denial is big business funded by the current energy sector. How much money did Barton rake in from the oil sector again, and wasn’t it he the one that commissioned the Wegman report?
Second, I’m thrilled the President is going to Copenhagen.
Third, no “fraud” has occurred and global warming theory hasn’t unraveled because of a few scientists and a couple lines out of hundreds of lines of evidence that are controversial.
Fourth, I found this quote by science historian Spencer Weart spot on:
“Even the tobacco companies never tried to slander legitimate cancer researchers. In blogs, talk radio and other new media, we are told that the warnings about future global warming issued by the national science academies, scientific societies, and governments of all the leading nations are not only mistaken, but based on a hoax, indeed a conspiracy that must involve thousands of respected researchers.
Extraordinary and, frankly, weird. Climate scientists are naturally upset, exasperated, and sometimes goaded into intemperate responses… but that was already easy to see in their blogs and other writings.”
Spreading disinformation about science is nothing new– but it disturbs me that there are so many people duped by the disseminators of disinformation (about so many different things nowadays.)

I got this link from a blog that has been talking about the Hadley/CRU files for over a week. This pathetic attempt by ABC to get into the story by doing anything but discuss the actual content of the emails (ie quote the most egregious word for word) is why the MSM is irrelevant. There is no “other side” to these emails they represent a collapse of any crediblity of the IPCC reports. “Taken out of context” indeed!

I have no beliefs. I do not “believe in sustainable practices” or eternal salvation, the Tooth Fairy or omniscient, omnibenevolent government.
To the best of my ability, I work from objective, verifiable facts. The most reliable way to ascertain, verify, and interpret factual information is the scientific method, which does not rely on “consensus” any more than it relies upon belief.
One scientist with the facts trumps all the other scientists in the world when those other scientists are basing their opinions on inaccurate data and/or screwed-up methodology.
“Man-made global warming” started as an error. Unfortunately, the people now exposed by the Climategate archive got rewarded with great praise and prestige for their “Chicken Little” conclusions and have spent the past 20 years and more covering up their errors.
A mere scientific mistake became a concerted fraud, supported by professional liars (Al Gore, Barack Obama, Newt Gingrich, Henry Waxman, John McCain), and it’s being used to ram “cap-and-trade” down the throats of people all over the world.
Useless laws and regulations predicated upon bogus science to destroy YOUR job, raise YOUR taxes, impoverish YOUR family, and ruin YOUR life.
For absolutely NO purpose whatsoever.
And here we’ve got Paul Krugman – ex-Enron consultant – giving you the proverbial hand-wave and telling you to “Ignore that man behind the curtain!”

Water is the real crisis impending, while global warming caused by man has been a hoax.
All of the leaked emails, especially the part about their faking data to cover the natural Medieval warming period proves it, and all of their false data is what other centers worldwide have been forced to match up with, with 79 billion of funding given to make certain of it.
Meanwhile, water rights world wide are being bought up. Just plug in the names of “various” nations and the words “bought water rights” to see what is going on.

Those emails appear to show junk science, for sure.
But what about the sat measurements of global temperature published by NASA/JPL? The recent data seems to back up their story.
http://climate.nasa.gov/
There’s visualization tools, and the data appears to be downloadable. Lots of contact info as well.

To put it bluntly, anyone who really thinks global warming is not happening, is an idiot.

If there is anyone with integrity in the MSM it must be hard to be silent about the biggest story of the decade. Even this coverage is BS. The figure in the poll did not ask about AGW, which is much lower than those believing GW. I can’t waste my time with MSM but I heard George didn’t even cover any emails. Don’t they know we get news from the internet and they look ridiculous hiding it? Obama better hurry and regulate the internet before the MSM becomes extinct.

Oh, could I be any more angry at the disingenuous, intellectually dishonest red herrings that are thrown about as if they were at issue?
54% of Republicans and 74% of all Americans, believe global warming is occurring. BUT THAT ISN’T AT ISSUE. ONLY A MORON (or someone with a political grinder to spin) would state it that way.
The only climate change “deniers” (skeptics?) I know are in the AGW Warmist camp. They alone believe that the earth’s climate would NOT have changed had it not been for that human-produced portion of the atmospheric trace-gas called CO2 — unlike all the past, when the climate changed and varied dramatically, and without regard to our contributions.
Now, who is it, exactly, that doesn’t believe in climate change? All the skeptical scientists I know do. The climate has always changed, and always will. To try to say or imply otherwise is to be A Denier of the worst kind.

Why isn’t ABC News all over the climategate story? This is the biggest story of the last 100 years, because the implications of it are so vast. But there’s hardly a peep about it anywhere, including ABC. The silence is deafening, to coin a phrase. There’s plenty about Tiger Woods and the party crashers, though. Compared to important things like the climate scandal, Really, who cares about the trivial stories? If ABC is missing the boat on this one, what other stories are you sitting on/ignoring? You people are either corrupt or inept. Either way, you’re no better than ‘FOX News’ or ‘The National Enquirer’. America deserves better TV journalism. Shame.

It really does amaze me that this is getting so little play in the mainstream media. This is going to be the story of the century and many are still saying that “the science is settled.” I thought it was a known fact that science is RARELY settled…it is based on what we know NOW!
This particular field of study has only been around for a short time and these pompus scientist and politicians act like it is absurd to question them…and the majority of the public just blindly believe and follow and yet complain that the weatherman can’t get the forecast right.
In the fourth grade we all learned about the “Water Cycle” which tells us:
More heat = more evaportation = more clouds and precipitation
More clouds = less sun = less heat
Long before the industrial revolution the planet experienced several hot/cold cycles and suddenly this most recent upswing is OUR fault? Anytime a scientist(or anyone for that matter) is so confident that they are right with so little data I get worried and ask questions…shouldn’t we all?

SETTLED SCIENCE? VERY UNSETTLING.

The “deniers” here are the AGW supporters who refuse to admit the obvious: Jones, Mann and the other scammers have rigged their “findings” to reach their preconceived conclusion. Those who continue to deny the obvious are no different from the “birthers” that they laugh at.
AGW birthers: you are being laughed at – why don’t you want real analysis of this issue. Is it possible you don’t really believe in the apocolytic eco-disaster that looms? Could it be you are as phony as Dr. Phil’s massaged “data”?
HIDE THE DECLINE is their rally cry.

Professor Easterbrook. You may be a long-suffering, misunderstood scientist devoted to proving your point and having your day in the sun, but you are very alone among a vast number of scientists who have come to another conclusion. As a layperson, I am quite unwilling to gamble the future of my kids and grandkids on your lonely viewpoint. Besides, us laypeople have eyes, can read scientific abstracts, see before-and-after pictures of disappearing glaciers, know that going from 1 billion to 7 billion humans and from 0 to 30 million commercial airplane flights a year in a 100 years have an effect on nature…and so on, ad infinitum. It must feel nice to finally get some print and video-time…but this non-scientist doen’t like the way a few alleged misdeeds are used by you and your ilk to tar and feather a whole scientific discipline…we’ve seen this approach in the past, for example, in the dishonest and deadly-to-many campaign to preserve tobacco industry profits.

Man made global warming is just an excuse for a global tax and cap and trade scheme, worthy of Bernie Madoff. No one involved in the scam would ever admit it’s a scam, because they stand to benefit from it economically.
google “CLIMATEGATE” !!!!

Why do I always have to go to Fox News to get my news? How can ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and others totally ignore this story. This should be the biggest news of my lifetime. Obviously the MSM is owned by Obama and the left. It reminds me of the news that came out of Iraq before Saddam was taken out. Totally biased.

Can we please see an ABC story on Phil Jones’ resignation and the possibility that Global Warming may not be happening?

Of course, there’s a huge scandal here. For humans who are really interested in this subject: read James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore’s new book “Climate Cover-up” or Ross Gelbspan’s book “The Heat Is On”. The fossil fuel industries have long hired “experts” to lie, cheat and manipulate on their behalf. The revelations in these books are 100 times worse than anything contained in the hacked emails.