Justice Department Questions Retroactive Ban on Federal Funds to ACORN
EmailThe Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel this week posted a legal opinion saying that the Obama administration may continue paying the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) for contracts signed before Congress in September passed — and President Obama in October signed — legislation banning federal funds from going to ACORN.
The opinion was written on Oct. 23 by Acting Assistant Attorney General David Barron in response to a request for clarification from the deputy general counsel for the Department of Housing and Urban Development as to the full meaning of the legislative language, which states, "None of the funds made available by this joint resolution or any prior Act may be provided to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), or any of its affiliates, subsidiaries, or allied organizations."
You can read the opinion HERE.
Barron said the language could be interpreted "categorically to prohibit any outlay of money to the identified entities, including pursuant to pre-existing contractual obligations," but, "one could also read the phrase not to prohibit payments made pursuant to a prior binding contractual duty."
Because of this perceived ambiguity, Barron concluded that the law "should not be read as directing or authorizing HUD to breach a pre-existing binding contractual obligation to make payments to ACORN or its affiliates, subsidiaries or allied organizations where doing so would give rise to contractual liability."
The federal government has given more than $50 million to ACORN since 1994, much of it in the form of HUD grants.
The ranking Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., blasted the DOJ opinion as "political cronyism."
“The bipartisan intent of Congress was clear – no more federal dollars should flow to ACORN," Issa said. "It is telling that this administration continues to look for every excuse possible to circumvent the intent of Congress. Taxpayers should not have to continue subsidizing a criminal enterprise that helped Barack Obama get elected president. The politicization of the Justice Department to pay back one of the president’s political allies is shameful and amounts to nothing more than old-fashioned cronyism.”
The Justice Department opinion comes at the same time as a lawsuit filed by Center for Constitutional Rights on behalf of ACORN saying the ban is unconstitutional. (Read that lawsuit HERE.)
Article I, Section 9, cl. 3 of the Constitution of the United States "is one of the crown jewels of the founding instrument of our nation. It explicitly provides that 'No bill of attainder of ex post facto law shall be passed,'" the suit says, alleging that the ban on federal funding denied ACORN due process of law. "Congress has adjudged ACORN guilty of the allegations of fraud, misconduct and other illegal conduct."
The suit alleges that the legislation "reveals a malicious and punitive intent against, and a singling out of the plaintiffs that arises from the heavily funded and orchestrated political campaign against the plaintiffs." The suit says that "ACORN has been penalized by Congress without an investigation. ACORN was never even the subject of a hearing in Congress."
It praises ACORN, saying the group has helped more than two million people to register to vote, has helped more than 150,000 file their tax returns, and has "worked on thousands of issues that arise from the predicaments and problems of the poor, the homeless, the underpaid, the hungry and the sick."
The CCR suit notes that "[d]espite numerous press reports and congressional, independent, and other governmental investigations of many other scandals involving serious misconduct such as fraud or corruption among government contractors, some of which involved corporations which were convicted of serious crimes, Congress has thus far enacted no laws singling out for suspension of debarment any government contractor, other than the plaintiffs."
As you may recall, following videotapes filmed furtively by conservatives showing ACORN employees offering to help a purported pimp and prostitute participate in crimes, on Sept. 11 the Census Bureau announced it was severing ties with ACORN, which bills itself as “the nation's largest community organization of low and moderate income families.”
Not long afterwards, the Senate voted overwhelmingly to prohibit HUD grants from going to the group. On Sept. 16, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs assailed ACORN, saying, "obviously the conduct you see on those tapes is completely unacceptable. … The administration takes accountability extremely seriously."
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We are learning that this administration is shot through with hypocrisy and corruption.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 27, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
@Fascist Hyena – Did you mean to post this 4 years ago?
Posted by: Tired of Righty | November 27, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
2012 will show we have discovered that Change is not what we need after all.
Posted by: Tired of Lefty | November 27, 2009, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
We need a third party to lead this nation.
Posted by: Tired of Lefty | November 27, 2009, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Whatever you may think of ACORN (and personally, I could care less, its a just a political distraction for both sides) the legislature cannot pass a law that says “…and this law takes affect two weeks ago”.
If they want to stop the govt from contracting with ACORN fine, but they can’t do anything about what’s gone before.
If we could do that we could pass a law telling Haliburton to give us back all that money that disappeared down a hole in Iraq.
Posted by: OB-Wan222 | November 27, 2009, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
this is expected, sadly. But we really should be CLAWING BACK the money given to ACORN over the decades. Not just cutting off current, or future, funding. It is, apparently, an ongoing criminal enterprize. The funds should be seized. Anything clawed back. And RICO indictments should follow.
ps: we also should be clawing back some TARP and other money given to the banksters also. Corruption, fraud, malfeasance, and general bad faith should be fought whether it is from low-level street agitators or Wall St banksters.
Posted by: Ed | November 27, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Holder showed his willingness to take the blame for his boss way back with the Clinton pardons . Obama can have Holder take the heat for his entire destroy America agenda , at least until after his 2012 re-election .
Posted by: nat turner | November 27, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
S’pose it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
Posted by: Max | November 27, 2009, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Naturally , What did everybody think obama was going to do ?
Sneak them back into the streets, in time to bend the 2010 elections.
Posted by: LXR | November 28, 2009, 12:11 am 12:11 am
As you may recall, following videotapes filmed furtively by conservatives showing ACORN employees offering to help a purported pimp and prostitute participate in crimes, on Sept. 11 the Census Bureau announced it was severing ties with ACORN
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What is the deal with that? So 3 cops in one city take a bribe – does that mean contracts with all cops across the entire country become null and void?
Posted by: tierra | November 28, 2009, 1:52 am 1:52 am
uh oh….convenient loophole.
Corrupt to the core.
Taking the country down.
Posted by: mjishernameo | November 28, 2009, 4:30 am 4:30 am
The bipartisan intent of congress was and is clear, and no amount of spin will be able to change that. No comparison to any other criminal activity can stand.
Posted by: earl | November 28, 2009, 7:23 am 7:23 am
So let me get this straight, Clinton can pass a law the collects higher taxes retroactively, but taxpayers can not stop payments on possibly illegally gained contracts in the present?
Posted by: POed | November 28, 2009, 7:38 am 7:38 am
There is also a law that states congress can stop payment to any organization it deems to be corrupt. It just goes to show you how corrupt this dministration really is. The bigger question is why hasnt the attorney general even opened up an investigation? You have the California attorney general jerry brown already telling acorn the investigation will turn out in favor for them. Yet they are going after our 3 navy seals for popping the number 1 terrorist in the mouth during his capture. We have to stand up to these corrupt politicians and vote them out now to save this country.
Posted by: Julie | November 28, 2009, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Yep, this is definitely ‘change we can believe in’ because ‘it is so frigging unbelievable.’
This President promised a change in the way Washington does business. he has delivered: it is exactly the way Chicago does business now.
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | November 28, 2009, 8:09 am 8:09 am
“The bigger question is why hasn’t the attorney general even opened up an investigation?”
NO, the bigger questions is “If ACORN is so obviously corrupt why hasn’t ANY DA in ANY state (Dem or Rep) brought ANY cases to trial?”
ACORN is a popular whipping boy but the fact remains that despite all the sound and fury there have been NO verdicts or plea bargains entered against the organization.
You would think that if their guilt is such a “slam-dunk” that some hot shot Rep. DA looking to make a name for himself would be running to the courthouse.
Right?
And while we’re at it. Why hasn’t Congress passed a law cutting off Haliburton from ever getting another govt. contract? They managed to take the USA for at least a hundred times more than ACORN has received.
Posted by: OB-Wan222 | November 28, 2009, 8:13 am 8:13 am
They have already been convicted in Nevada for voter registration fraud so that conviction of illegal activities would bar them from receiving our tax money. It is ironic that the attorney general is trying to find a loophole in the constitution for a corrupt organization yet they are trying to violate the constitution with forcing americans to buy health care. Its time to revolt against these illegal and immoral people running this country.
Posted by: Mariah | November 28, 2009, 8:16 am 8:16 am
Just bidniss as usual. Gotta keep the Acorn army fed to fight in the next campaign.
So we are forced to continue to pay Acorn to corrupt the vote and promote criminal activity…
AND
We are pardoning Black Panthers armed with clubs for voter intimidation.
Way past sick of this Hope n Change.
Posted by: nothing to see here folks | November 28, 2009, 8:30 am 8:30 am
The most corrupt administration EVER!
Posted by: Plumber | November 28, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am
Apalling. It remains to be seen how low they will go.
Posted by: Elle | November 28, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Yes the obama administration owes something to ACORN and it seems there is bribery going on behind the scenes. Either ACORN is going to talk about what they know about the obama campaign and its tactics or BREITBART will. An if Breitbart is going to talk anyone so that the 2010 elections are fair, why is the obama administration dealing with ACORN anymore anyway?
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 9:14 am 9:14 am
There is also a law that states congress can stop payment to any organization it deems to be corrupt. It just goes to show you how corrupt this dministration really is. The bigger question is why hasnt the attorney general even opened up an investigation? You have the California attorney general jerry brown already telling acorn the investigation will turn out in favor for them. Yet they are going after our 3 navy seals for popping the number 1 terrorist in the mouth during his capture. We have to stand up to these corrupt politicians and vote them out now to save this country.
Posted by: Julie | Nov 28, 2009 7:52:05 AM
Great post, Julie. I’ve been asking those same questions myself. The double standard is taking over since this administration stepped in. It’s sad to think the day has come that the “bad guys” get more rights than the “good guys”. Hope and change! Hope and change!
Posted by: Shoe | November 28, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
So I take it that some of you don’t find Issa’s statement to be way over the top as I do.
Clearly, to me anyway,the right wing’s attack on ACORN has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with votes, and tying Obama to some conservative bogeyman. Spare me the self-righteousness of Issa and the right wing!
You remember Blackwater, right? The blood-thirsty, ultra-conservative paramilitary group that lied to Congress, that is being investigated by the FBI and that is being sued by the families of the Americans they’ve killed? Didn’t they receive over $1 billion — note the *B*— in government funding *before* reorganizing as Xe? Aren’t you at least equally concerned about what is happening with their funding?
And what happened with Halliburton and the whole gang rape amendment thingy? Who voted against that again? Hasn’t their former chairman also been convicted of bribing Nigerian officials? And haven’t they been accused of defrauding the United States government? Aren’t you concerned about their funding?
In never fails to amaze me what exactly gets certain cultural tribes in America all upset and who they put a target on–Darn those ACORN folks for trying to help poor people, and wanting past contracts honored!
Halliburton and Blackwater are multibillion dollar companies, yes? They’ve received billions from the government, yes? Meanwhile, ACORN has a budget of what? 25 million dollars a year, of which, only 2.5 million comes from the government?
OB-WAN gets it right IMO:
“the bigger questions is “If ACORN is so obviously corrupt why hasn’t ANY DA in ANY state (Dem or Rep) brought ANY cases to trial?”
ACORN is a popular whipping boy but the fact remains that despite all the sound and fury there have been NO verdicts or plea bargains entered against the organization.
You would think that if their guilt is such a “slam-dunk” that some hot shot Rep. DA looking to make a name for himself would be running to the courthouse.
Right?”
Right on.
Posted by: Cara | November 28, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
By all means, investigate Haliburton and ACORN at the same time. Clearly obama has very strong ties to ACORN and helped him get elected.
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am
“ACORN is a popular whipping boy but the fact remains that despite all the sound and fury there have been NO verdicts or plea bargains entered against the organization.”
Blatant lie.
There has been scores of convictions, including 14 and counting in Nevada alone.
This is just starting. Before it is all over there will most likely be convictions in all 50 states. They have also vandalized Democrat campaign offices in an attempt to claim violence from any opposition to thier insidious plans.
These people are bad news. Lump the current administration and DOJ in with Acorn. They are all from the same pond full of crooks.
Posted by: No more lies | November 28, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
this is huge news. few organizations have conducted more cases of fraud against the american taxpayers, yet i had to conduct a search to find this article. my question is how can obama be seen as president when he always escapes any responsibility as president? the justice department is seen as responsible for this decision as everything else controversial seems to escape obamas personal attention. he is a two faced coward.
Posted by: gary | November 28, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Let’s see,Holder wanted Clinton to pardon FALN terrorists,he dropped charges against the Black Panthers for wielding clubs in front of a polling site in PA,he wants the 9/11 terrorists to have the same rights as US citizens and now he wants funding to continue for ACORN who have a plethora of crimes proven and pending.Obama is knee deep with ACORN and his Marxist AG will continue to carry his water.They have to go.
Posted by: bobmac | November 28, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
It appears the AG is overrulling the President and Congress. But, if he’s called out on the carpet, he can be tossed under the bus and who does he work for anyway?
I was thinking of calling my Senators anyway. I know their feelings will be hurt by this.
Posted by: 911Service | November 28, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
ya know what I’m sick of? Obama not taking responsibility for these dangerous decisions. When asked about KSM trials in NYC he responded that he let Holder make the decision. He’s been able to dodge fault for most of the horrific decisions made thus far…it’s bush’s fault, it’s the czars fault, holders fault, the dude that flew the plane over NYC’s fault…how about it’s Obamas fault.
Amateur. Thin skinned. Incompetent. Dangerous. Ditherer.
Posted by: mjishernameo | November 28, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
By Warner Todd Huston
The Association of Community Activists for Reform Now (ACORN) is still racking up indictments and convictions for voter fraud across the nation. ACORN is closely tied to President Obama, he having worked for them when he lived in Chicago and they having heavily supported his candidacy. Additionally, former ACORN members have flocked to the Obama administration since his win in November last.
For instance, in Obama’s old home state of Illinois, a woman that works for an ACORN offshoot group has been charged by Lake County officials (the County just north of Chicago’s Cook County) with filing fake voter registration cards.
Jannette Sims, 46, a resident of Chicago, is charged with mutilation of election materials and faces up to three years in prison.
Sims worked for a voter-registration drive sponsored by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). The voter-registration group which was likely trained by ACORN. The Obama-tied community group has numerous associations with the SEIU through many such training programs.
Meanwhile, in Nevada, Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto filed charges against ACORN alleging that the group was brazen enough about its voter fraud to institute policies requiring employees to sign up 20 new voters per day or face termination of employment. Such quotas are against Nevada election law.
Of these recent charges in Nevada, Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, says, “The Nevada raid marked the third time in weeks that the Chicago-based group got busted for falsifying voter registration forms during the 2008 presidential campaign. Weeks earlier ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in the key battleground state of Florida and in New Mexico’s most populous county (Bernalillo). “
ACORN has been in trouble for falsifying information to register new voters in numerous other states, including Milwaukee, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina and Colorado to name a few. In 2007 the group settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State after seven workers were caught submitting about 2,000 fake registration forms.
Along with the many shady financial misdeeds in which ACORN is involved, the community group shows no signs that it will any time soon cease its efforts to destroy the integrity of the democratic process through voter fraud.
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Warner Todd Huston is a Chicago based freelance writer, has been writing opinion editorials and social criticism since early 2001
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
What a massive cover up to make the Community Organizer and ACORN Lawyer look good.
Shameful.
Posted by: Tom | November 28, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
What cracks me up is that an established major news network, CBS News with Dan Rather, tried bringing down Bush using a forged document. Only bloggers were adept enough to uncover the forgery because the complicit media, including other channels, didn’t do their research. They preferred to stand by idly and with mouths salivating to watch Bush go down – forged document and all.
Now we have an unestablished group of amateur journalists capture real, concrete, evidence . . . nay video evidence, of an organization in the act of covering for prostitution and child sex trafficking. And all we hear is – “nope, not important. It was unfair investigative reporting. Keep funding ‘em.” Anything negative about ACORN resounds to the Community Organizer President. The administration and the major news networks are again all a hush about this proof-positive blatantly corrupt organization – this time to protect their favorite socialist symbol, Obama.
Posted by: Tom | November 28, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Warner Todd Huston is a Chicago based freelance writer, has been writing opinion editorials and social criticism since early 2001
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Not a single conviction mentioned. The hate campaign against ACORN would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sleazy – a pure Karl Rove strategy to demonize and discredit.
The typical Republican smear campaign.
Posted by: tierra | November 28, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Posted by: Jenny | Nov 28, 2009 4:01:14 PM
Did I miss the word conviction? I scanned that post a few times and couldn’t find it so I googled it and found the same thing posted at a kooky blog called “Stop the ACLU” last May. Still couldn’t find the word conviction and “no more lies” used the word “conviction.”
(As an aside, stop the ACLU? Now what’s that about? Cuz Civil liberties are such a horror? Good golly gee, wouldn’t want anybody sticking up for civil rights and liberties!!)
(As another aside, call me crazy but I don’t think I can just take a conservative watchdog group’s word for it when it comes to what ACORN has been up to.)
Is there another source that actually mentions the alleged convictions?
Posted by: Jemma | Nov 28, 2009 4:31:21 PM
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Why are you on the defensive? Is your conscience bothering you about ACORN?
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
It’s ACORN’s last stand and we still have people defending them. Hilarious!
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Posted by: Jenny | Nov 28, 2009 4:59:52 PM
Not a single conviction mentioned. The hate campaign against ACORN would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sleazy – a pure Karl Rove strategy to demonize and discredit.
The typical Republican smear campaign.
Posted by: tierra | November 28, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
What a shame but what do you except when the administration lets people who forget to pay taxes serve in the cabinet.
Posted by: rachel | November 28, 2009, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
thugs and plugs…. pres. and VP
Posted by: mjishernameo | November 28, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
I see the two bloggers on here are still in a state of denial. I wonder what world you two live in because it’s not based in reality. ACORN is going down.
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
I’m an ACORN small and round lying on the cold cold ground; everybody steps on me that is why I’m cracked you see.
Bye Bye ACORN and all the corrupt people who are stealing from the the American taxpayers.
Posted by: Jenny | November 28, 2009, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
I love it. Those ACORN folks were “smeared” by having videotapes of their own statements shown to the public.
Convictions? Not while Eric Holder is attorney general.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 28, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
All zanies should consult the current NYTimes to see how detainees are being treated at the “black jail” at Bagram Air Base during the Time of Obama.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 28, 2009, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
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The issue is not the contractual obligation.
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The issue is if the Obama administration has the testicular fortitude to NOT pay this criminal enterprise.
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Posted by: N Waff | November 28, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
At some point I have to believe that the press is going to jump on these antics and help end this insanity.
Isn’t this it? Isn’t this a blatant slap in the face of even the ‘tingle up the leg” types out there? I feel duped and I didn’t vote for Obama. I started to believe him when he claimed that he was going to bring a new day to Washington – not enough that he swayed my vote but I could live with the results (or so I thought). So what about you people in the middle that bought in? Don’t you feel like you have been scammed here? Where is your outrage?
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | November 28, 2009, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Convictions? Not while Eric Holder is attorney general.
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So far nobody on this blog has shown a conviction under any attorney general.
So all you people who have convicted ACORN without a trial – you will be perfect people for a jury in your little totalitarian right wing state of the future.
Just convict and condemn people without even bothering with a trial. We know what lies at your heart – fairness and justice? The rule of law?
Or whatever so say goes . . .
Terrible.
Posted by: tierra | November 29, 2009, 2:18 am 2:18 am
Convict and condemn? No.
Limit/STOP our tax dollars from funding ACORN?….completely within our rights.
Tell you what, why not let the american taxpayers vote on if they want to fund this group.
Posted by: mjishernameo | November 29, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
WE JUST GAVE THANK’S THIS WEEK, THINKING EVERY THING IS GETTING BETTER AND THEIR STILL OTHER’S THAT BELIEVE THAT “ACORN” SHOULD RECEIVE HELP—-ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD TO YOU—–WAKE UP NOW OR BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB OR UNEMPLOYMENT AND GETTING THIS SAME HEALTH- CARE YOU ARE TRYING TO JAM DOWN OUR THROAT’S. THIS IS SPEAKING CALMLY, UNDERSTAND!
Posted by: SONNY CHES. VA. | November 29, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
So far nobody on this blog has shown a conviction under any attorney general.
So all you people who have convicted ACORN without a trial – you will be perfect people for a jury in your little totalitarian right wing state of the future.
Just convict and condemn people without even bothering with a trial. We know what lies at your heart – fairness and justice? The rule of law?
Or whatever you say goes . . .
Terrible.
Posted by: tierra | November 29, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Dear Jemma,
If I am not mistaken, I believe the head of ACORN was convicted of voter fraud in Nevada-or maybe he just pleaded guilty. Or what about Ohio in the last election-several ACORN workers who were college students established illegal residency, voted and moved back to their home state. Fortunately, they were caught before their ballots were counted but who knows how many other illegal votes were cast by ACORN members.
Posted by: Liz | November 29, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Posted by: Liz | Nov 29, 2009 7:36:29 PM
“I believe” what you “believe doesn’t really matter – what matters is the factual information and that you either know, or you don’t know.
“what about?” Well what about it?
“who knows?” Again, if you don’t know, you don’t have facts – you only have guessing.
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So far nobody on this blog has shown a conviction of ACORN under any attorney general.
So all you people who have convicted ACORN without a trial – you will be perfect people for a jury in your little totalitarian right wing state of the future.
Just convict and condemn people without even bothering with a trial. We know what lies at your heart – fairness and justice? The rule of law?
Or whatever you say goes . . .
Terrible.
Posted by: tierra | November 29, 2009, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Remember, a lot of DOJ folks have direct conflicts of interest when it comes to ACORN. Just take a look at whose job history coincides with ACORN, or the job history of their significant others.
Posted by: Tyrone | November 29, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
“Just take a look at whose job history coincides with ACORN, or the job history of their significant others.”
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Whose?
Name them – or are you just making an unsubstantiated claim?
Posted by: tierra | November 30, 2009, 1:17 am 1:17 am
I have not been convicted of anything, ever! I demand that I be given taxpayer monies. It is obviously a right that I have overlooked. Don’t give me any crap about accounting for where the money goes, this is obviously not a requirement.
Posted by: Rollo | November 30, 2009, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Eric Holder needs to go! By giving funds back to Acorn he shows that the Obama admistration has no intent to follow the law!!
Posted by: dancybear | December 3, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am