Obama Adviser Splits with President on Gay Marriage

Letting religion dictate mistreatment of a significant segment of the population, to government, is basically the worst kind of discrimination, and in that regard President Obama deserves much criticism.

It is so sad and so sickening to see where the gay agenda is heading in this nation. Marriage is a holy union between a man and a woman. What the gay movement is attempting to destroy is this supreme law of nature. What gays basically want to do is to eradicate the holy institution of marriage and make the world a sexually promiscuous, immoral, and disease-ridden place. It is a very scary situation under which the family unit as the world knows it, is gravely threatened. It is a very tragic situation for the children of today who are growing up in an American nation where moral and Christian values are being dismantled in order to bring the nation under the rule of gays. The Obama administration, unfortunately, is spearheading the gay agenda. What a sad moment for America! Forces of evil are rejoicing as we are losing our souls and values to the sinful gay movement. I cry for our children! I do!
God, please forgive us for we have become blinded by the misguided and un-natural desires of the flesh! We all should cry and beg for God’s mercy. May He give us the wisdom to differentiate between wrong and right.

I think it is absolutely idiotic to prohibit Gay people from legally marrying. Who cares??? It doesn’t threaten my hetero marriage. If it did, I wouldn’t have much of a marriage, would I?! All of you people so interested in the sex lives of others are rather perverted. Why do you think or care about such things? It’s not your business!!!! Sick, sick sick.

It’s time America.
And congrats to all the couples who came to CT to wed this summer from all across the country. And kudos to CT for supporting equality.
Cheers, Joe Mustich,
Justice of the Peace,
Washington, Connecticut, USA
Let’s not forget that marriage is firstly a civil matter in America, as marriage licenses are issued by and recorded in town halls, not church halls or mosques or temples.
And to the marriage police and sexually phobic, please find something else to do with your time, because life’s just to short. Find love.

How can Obama call himself a “fierce advocate” for gays but not have the courage to support gay marriage?
He’s a joke.
And the joke is on those who bought Obama’s snakeoil.
He does what is best for himself.

Rep. John Lewis, longtime ally and close associate of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., has said,
“I have fought too hard and for too long against discrimination based on race and color not to stand up against discrimination based on sexual orientation. I’ve heard the reasons for opposing civil marriage for same-sex couples. Cut through the distractions, and they stink of the same fear, hatred and intolerance I have known in racism.”

I know let every man and woman breed like crazy and destroy this country with there crazy breeding and high divorce rates, but a same sex couple that want to adopt and pay their taxes etc can’t have the same rights? “Separate, but equal, is inherently unequal” – Brown v. Board, 1954. How about seperate but UNequal? As in white trash alcoholics can get married (or not) and fart out as many white trash grubs as they want, but a couple educated, working, not even a parking ticket guys can’t get married.
As long as we SAY they’re unequal, it’s ok, right?

To those who want a referendum on whether or not society should allow same-sex marriage, the masses shouldn’t make that decision.
Why? Let’s look at another social fight over the rules of marriage.
When the California State Supreme Court legalized interracial marriage in 1948 in that state, 90 percent of Americans opposed it. By 1958, the number actually increased and 94 percent of Americans said they did not approve of marriages between interracial couples. Then in 1967, when the U.S. Supreme Court legalized marriage equality for interracial couples on a nationwide level, 72 percent still opposed it. It wasn’t until 1994 that these people were in the minority for the first time with 41 percent opposing and 45 percent approving.
Thank God we have a constitution and a judicial branch of government to set us right when we make mistakes.
Sources:
1948 figure from Gail Mathabane, “Gays face same battle interracial couples fought,” USA Today, 2004-JAN-25.

Didn’t anyone notice that as soon as gays announced they were cutting of donations to the DNC–Obama sends out Barney Frank to say that DADT would possibly be repealed in 2010.
Sure…right after the 2010 election.
Toss a bone and all is well.

Is civil marriage a constitutional right? Well let’s see…
Perez v. Sharp, 1948: “Legislation infringing such rights must be based upon more than prejudice and must be free from oppressive discrimination to comply with the constitutional requirements of due process and equal protection of the laws.” From the California case that allowed mixed-race couples to marry.
Loving v. Virginia, 1967 (US Supreme Court): “These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
Zablocki v. Redhail, 1978 (US Supreme Court, concurring opinion): “The Constitution does not specifically mention freedom to marry, but it is settled that the “liberty” protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment embraces more than those freedoms expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights. And the decisions of this Court have made clear that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties so protected.”
So the question is, since marriage is a constitutionally-protected right for opposite-sex couples, why is it not so for law-abiding, taxpaying, lawn mowing gay couples?

“So the question is, since marriage is a constitutionally-protected right for opposite-sex couples, why is it not so for law-abiding, taxpaying, lawn mowing gay couples?”
Excellent question.

“Barack Obama sure has a strange way of showing his much-touted support for traditional marriage.
Obama’s Justice Department filed a legal brief against DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act, which was signed into law by the last Democrat to occupy the Oval Office: Bill Clinton.
Weeks before that, Obama’s administration had defended DOMA, setting off a flurry of protests…
Obama has had the chutzpah to imply that Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount is a “gay”-affirming text — while dismissing as “obscure” verses in the New Testament Book of Romans that clearly describe homosexual acts as a sign of a self-centered society spiraling downward.
So much arrogance, so little time.
We keep hearing from the media about how incredibly smart Obama is. But if he’s so intelligent, shouldn’t he know that you cannot rationally hold two contradictory positions at the same time?
The Obama-adoring media have allowed him to get away with his cynical double-game — telling voters again and again that he supports traditional marriage as they buried his opposition to DOMA and ignored his near-total subservience to the Gay Lobby…
Truth is, the vainglorious Obama is a spectacular phony on gay marriage, as he is a poser on social issues and morality in general…”
Excerpts form Peter LaBarbera’s Obama’s ‘gay marriage’ doublespeak

Disgusting view. I voted, organized and donated for Obama campaign. I didn’t know that he has this kind of disgusting view. Also, the Obama’s gay agenda was hidden by the elite media during the general election. But this kind of news will help remove many democrats from congress in 2010. This will give the president and the left wingers a big lesson.

“Civil Union” is the answer.

The answer is to get the government out of marriage all together, leave it to the churches to decide.

The kinds of people that Emperor O’Babble has brought into his administration is astounding to put it mildly.

Dear Sarah:
It is a cultural thing and if you ascribe to a different interpretation of culture and tradition then so be it. Apply your argument to the eating of dogs. In some countries it is traditional and cultural cook puppies in a wok and to eat them on a stick. My interpretation is that is an awful thing. Following your perspective, there would be nothing wrong with it because “they” have been doing it for centuries, and what business it is of anyone else anyway since it doesn’t affect your lifestyle. Now if cooking pups in a wok would be OK for you, then you have truly become one with the cosmos; if not, then back up and rethink your unhinged relativist philosophy.

“its disgusting how the gays will be allowed to marry soon”
Gay marriage is legal in many countries and currently in 4 states of the US.

Ryan C
“Using exit polls
Democrats were the majority of the voters for Obama. They were 39% of the electorate and voted for Obama 89-10.
Independents were about 29% of the electorate and they went for Obama 52-44.
Conservatives were about 34% of the electorate and they voted for McCain 78-20.”
In fact if you look at the most recent gallup poll 21% of democrats are conservatives,37% moderates, and 39% are liberals.
Only 52% of democrats support gay marriage. 34% strongly oppose it. The remaining 14% don’t support it. This tells you that from the 39% of democrats that voted for Obama almost
18% don’t support gay marriage. When you add the independents and the conservatives it will out numbers the gay marriage supporters that voted for Obama. I think this is very clear.

“Or, would you prefer that the courts and the state legislatures decide, instead of the PEOPLE?”
The “people” used to think your Malaysian-Chinese wife was unwelcome to sit in the same booth as you at a restaurant.
Indeed there was a time when she would not have be allowed to even become a citizen.
Thank god for the courts and legislature for showing us the folly of that bigotry.
Do you think the majority should be able to vote away civil rights of a minority?

There is no such thing as ‘GAY Marriage.’ Marriage is from God, and with God there is no such thing as Homosexual Marriage. Terms like ‘Gay Marriage, sexual orientation, homophobic’ are are terms created by Liberals to justify their wrong doing. God says these terms won’t fly.
Homosexuality is still perversion and Satan still owns all perversion.
Lust and Satan are one. God and love are one. There is no love inside spiritual darkness. The Lord says the Liberals deceive themselves. Just look at all the homosexuals that die early in life. Most of them. For Satan, sin and death are one. That is how insane Liberals truly are. Aids is out of control. Wash, DC is at 3 times epidemic levels of Aids and getting worse.
Liberals need to wake up from their coma.

“Posted by: J House | Nov 13, 2009 2:39:15 PM”
Did you know that until 1967 you and wife could not get married in many parts of this country?
Do you think miscegenation laws were ok?

“My wife still gets racist comments (even in her own country when they see her with me), so what do you mean by ‘used to’?”
I was talking about Jim Crow laws and how they would apply to your wife.
I am sorry that she has to deal with racism both her and abroad sinply because you are of different races.
The majority supported those laws until they were overturned by legislation and the Courts.
Hell if not for the Supreme Court you would not even be able to marry her.
So again, should the majority be able to limit rights of the minority?

Right, I understand…racists in our courts, our state legislatures and in our country…no question about it.
Striking down those racist laws were one of America’s proudest moments.
And they have absolutely NOTHING to do with ‘gay marriage’.

RyanC,
please , don’t feel ‘sorry’ for us…we are NOT victims.
We knew what we were getting into and accept it/deal with it.
I’ve traveled around the world 18 times in the past 10 yrs, in at least 70 countries…without a doubt, we get the least amount of hassles in the U.S., including the American south.
Can you explain that, considering that
the liberal canard is we’re still such a racist country?

Marriage Equality IS the only answer, as I can attest to the fact of being legally marriage here in the great state of Vermont. At least a handful of states treat ALL their citizens as equal, unlike those hijacked by the “religious wrong”!

“please , don’t feel ‘sorry’ for us…we are NOT victims.”
Being treated with racist barbs is something no one should go thru.
What’s up with the defensive reaction from someone showing sympathy?
“..without a doubt, we get the least amount of hassles in the U.S., including the American south.
Can you explain that, considering that
the liberal canard is we’re still such a racist country”
You just stated you still get hassled though.
I see racism everyday as I am sure you do.

Ryan C
“Using exit polls
Democrats were the majority of the voters for Obama. They were 39% of the electorate and voted for Obama 89-10.”
Almost half of the democrats that voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage. In fact if you look at the most recent gallup poll 21% of democrats are conservatives,37% moderates, and 39% are liberals. Only 52% of democrats support gay marriage. 34% strongly oppose it. The remaining 14% don’t support it. This tells you that from the 39% of democrats that voted for Obama almost 18% don’t support gay marriage. This also tells us 18% of the American people that were registered as democrats and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
“Independents were about 29% of the electorate and they went for Obama 52-44.”
72% of independents don’t support gay marriage. This means 9% of Obama voters that came from the independent group don’t support gay marriage.
“Conservatives were about 34% of the electorate and they voted for McCain 78-20.”
75% of conservative don’t support gay marriage. So, 5% of voters that came from the conservative group and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
Based on these facts we can conclude that Out of the 53% of American people that voted for Obama the majorities (32%) don’t support gay marriage.

For all of you HATEFUL people, all I have to say is I grew up with two mothers and I am now a college professor. Why does it matter what sex my parents are? It doesn’t! Point blank.

“Based on these facts we can conclude that Out of the 53% of American people that voted for Obama the majorities (32%) don’t support gay marriage.”
So nearly 70% of Obama voters support gay marriage.
What does that have to do with your erroneous contention that independents and conservative made up the majority of Obama voters?

“Obama is a fence sitter of the worst kind. It’s why he dithers and waffles, why he voted present over 100 times as a senator, and why he can’t make a tough decision now.”
US Senators cannot vote present.
As an IL Senators Obama voted present 139 times out of 4500 or so votes.
In IL a present vote counts as a no vote and is used by both parties to express some dissatisfaction with legislation even if some of it is supported.
Get new material.

Obama/government kick gays out of the military just for being gay. Even though they risked their lives and were good soldiers. Obama could put a stop to that in an instant.
But a self-proclaimed Soldier of Allah, that had contacts with AlQaeda, with poor job performance–he was promoted and allowed to serve.
Yes Obama sure is a fierce advocate for gay people.

I don’t know why the public is voting on this anyway. We don’t live by mob rule. As someone mentioned women wouldn’t be able to vote, slavery would still be legal if the idiot public was voting on them. Plus Gay Marriage has been going on for decades in churches. I know a couple who got married back in 1974!

Um no, if you follow the trend in the last 25years, pro gay marriage support has grown quite fast especially since 2004. The biggest gain is with happily married heterosexual couples.

I was unaware that Obama opposed gay marriage. That’s the only thing so far I agree with him on.

“Gays already have the exact same rights as heterosexual people. Both groups can freely marry someone of the opposite sex. Both groups can’t freely marry someone of the same sex.
Sounds to me like they’re wanting extra rights. Not equal ones.”
Sorry Cecil… That same argument was used back in the 60′s, except it was “Blacks have the right to marry other blacks, just as whites have the right to marry other whites”. It wasn’t right then and it is certainly not right now.

Religion is a ‘practice’, but homosexuality isn’t a religion.
Religion is also constitutionally protected in the U.S….homosexuality isn’t.
I’m not defending religion or religious bigotry, nor do I despise gays. I have dozens of gay friends, some who are against codifying ‘gay marriage’ into law.
The fact is, unless you show evidence of a ‘gay gene’, it is a learned behaviour.
Whether you like it or not, this country happened to be founded on Judeo-Christian priniciples, hence the status quo on ‘gay marriage’.
Likening it to race,ethnicity or religious civil rights is a nice try, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Ryan C
“Using exit polls
Democrats were the majority of the voters for Obama. They were 39% of the electorate and voted for Obama 89-10.”
Almost half of the democrats that voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage. In fact if you look at the most recent gallup poll 21% of democrats are conservatives,37% moderates, and 39% are liberals. Only 52% of democrats support gay marriage. 34% strongly oppose it. The remaining 14% don’t support it. This tells you that from the 39% of democrats that voted for Obama almost 18% don’t support gay marriage. This also tells us 18% of the American people that were registered as democrats and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
“Independents were about 29% of the electorate and they went for Obama 52-44.”
72% of independents don’t support gay marriage. This means 9% of Obama voters that came from the independent group don’t support gay marriage.
“Conservatives were about 34% of the electorate and they voted for McCain 78-20.”
75% of conservative don’t support gay marriage. So, 5% of voters that came from the conservative group and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
Based on these facts we can conclude that Out of the 53% of American people that voted for Obama the majorities (73%) don’t support gay marriage.

“Religion is a ‘practice’, but homosexuality isn’t a religion.”
Yes.
Religion is a chosen practice, free to be switched up on a whim.
Homosexuality is not.
“Religion is also constitutionally protected in the U.S….homosexuality isn’t.”
Wrong.
“Responding to a reported weapons disturbance in a private residence, Houston police entered petitioner Lawrence’s apartment and saw him and another adult man, petitioner Garner, engaging in a private, consensual sexual act. Petitioners were arrested and convicted of deviate sexual intercourse in violation of a Texas statute forbidding two persons of the same sex to engage in certain intimate sexual conduct. In affirming, the State Court of Appeals held, inter alia, that the statute was not unconstitutional under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The court considered Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186, controlling on that point.”
“Whether you like it or not, this country happened to be founded on Judeo-Christian priniciples,”
Which Judeo-Christian principles was this country founded upon?
The Bill of Rights is directly against most of the Ten Commandments.
“Likening it to race,ethnicity or religious civil rights is a nice try, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.”
Sure it does.
That you deny as much is your problem.
So I will ask you again should the majority be able to limit the rights of a minority?

“Based on these facts we can conclude that Out of the 53% of American people that voted for Obama the majorities (73%) don’t support gay marriage.”
You still can’t get your math right.

Ryan C
“Using exit polls
Democrats were the majority of the voters for Obama. They were 39% of the electorate and voted for Obama 89-10.”
Almost half of the democrats that voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage. In fact if you look at the most recent gallup poll 21% of democrats are conservatives,37% moderates, and 39% are liberals. Only 52% of democrats support gay marriage. 34% strongly oppose it. The remaining 14% don’t support it. This tells you that from the 39% of democrats that voted for Obama almost 18% don’t support gay marriage. This also tells us 18% of the American people that were registered as democrats and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
“Independents were about 29% of the electorate and they went for Obama 52-44.”
72% of independents don’t support gay marriage. This means 9% of Obama voters that came from the independent group don’t support gay marriage.
“Conservatives were about 34% of the electorate and they voted for McCain 78-20.”
75% of conservative don’t support gay marriage. So, 5% of voters that came from the conservative group and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
Based on these facts we can conclude that Out of the 53% of American people that voted for Obama the majorities (60%) don’t support gay marriage.

Gays should keep their stuff to themselves, why keeping grabbing a mile when given an foot. They are trying to infect the rest of society with their cripy ways. They are recruiting young ones into their fold everyday, and this is a not welcome develpoement. When men start marrying men, and women start marrying women- humanity will become extinct at some point. There no question about it. Everything in nature has male and female for procreation.

Ryan C
“Using exit polls
Democrats were the majority of the voters for Obama. They were 39% of the electorate and voted for Obama 89-10.”
Almost half of the democrats that voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage. In fact if you look at the most recent gallup poll 21% of democrats are conservatives,37% moderates, and 39% are liberals. Only 52% of democrats support gay marriage. 34% strongly oppose it. The remaining 14% don’t support it. This tells you that from the 39% of democrats that voted for Obama almost 18% don’t support gay marriage. This also tells us 18% of the American people that were registered as democrats and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
“Independents were about 29% of the electorate and they went for Obama 52-44.”
72% of independents don’t support gay marriage. This means 9% of Obama voters that came from the independent group don’t support gay marriage.
“Conservatives were about 34% of the electorate and they voted for McCain 78-20.”
75% of conservative don’t support gay marriage. So, 5% of voters that came from the conservative group and voted for Obama don’t support gay marriage.
Based on these facts we can conclude that Out of the 53% of American people that voted for Obama the majorities (60%) don’t support gay marriage.
“A 4th set of figures and they are still wrong.
How about you figure it out first then post.”
Democrats 18%
Indpendents 9%
Conservatives 5%
18+9+5 = 32
32/53 = 60.3
So, at least 60% of Obama voters don’t support gay marriage. I hope you will understand this. If not, I am sorry.

newsflash: there are MARRIED gay people and friends, families, neighbors- you know the people who really count in their lives who refer to them as MARRIED. it’s been like that for a longtime.

“When men start marrying men, and women start marrying women- humanity will become extinct at some point”
Homosexuals represent roughly 10% of the human race.
Humanity is not in danger of dying out by allowing same sex marriage.
I see some of the right wingers are getting into a froth.
Though kudos to the rest of you who have refrained from such.
“Everything in nature has male and female for procreation.”
Except it is not.
There are many instance of homosexuality in various animals.
Indeed many things in nature are asexual, neither male nor female.

I don’t see where in the constitution that there is a protection for marriage. I believe marriage to be a cultural ideal that has been viewed as a public good. The point is that if the public view gay marriage to be good, then they will vote to approve it. They have not in at least 31 states so far. Gay marriage is no more of a constitutional right than heterosexual marriage is, so we should leave it up to the citizens of a state on whether they view it as something they want to allow or encourage. Marriage is no business of the federal government.

So, at least 60% of Obama voters don’t support gay marriage. I hope you will understand this. If not, I am sorry.”
Except again you are wrong.
You are cross comparing different polls, one of which I don’t see reference (support of gay marriage)

“You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to make this into anything remotely equal to what blacks suffered.”
He was referring to miscegenation laws that prevented couples of different races from marrying that were declared unconstitutional.

My neighbors are gay and have lived together next door for 17 years. Nice, happy people. We have gone through 2 divorces with 2 separate families in the other house next door.
Civil unions give gay couples the same legal rights as married people.
I don’t understand the need for this battle.
The word marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Peoples religious beliefs are entwined in this.
why don’t gays embrace civil unions or find a word to define gay marriage. it just seems like semantics to me.
I remember when people were saying “marriage was just a piece of paper” and what was really important was in your heart.

“…why are we here on earth? What is the goal of all animals? Why do you hate breeders?”
-No time to discuss philosophy today, but I don’t hate anybody–except maybe Ann Coulter.

“why don’t gays embrace civil unions or find a word to define gay marriage. it just seems like semantics to me.”
Because it’s not about equality. It’s about social acceptance and normalization of their lifestyles. Tolerance isn’t good enough for them.

“Yeah I am sure they can just feel the tolerance emanating from you”
I don’t care what people do. Of course, I see you’re right key. Just smear and name-call. I tried to engage you earlier, but alas, you fell back into your limited, and I mean very limited, script.
They aren’t happy when they have all the exact same rights as heterosexual couples but when it’s called a civil union or domestic contract.
Why is that?
There isn’t too much intepretation there.

ryan says: “Except Heterosexual marriage is a Constitutional right. ”
The case you cited had nothing to do with gender, it was solely about race. Try again.

“They aren’t happy when they have all the exact same rights as heterosexual couples but when it’s called a civil union or domestic contract.”
Because civil unions and domestic contracts don’t give the same rights as marriage does.
Do you think that separate but equal is a good policy in regards to civil rights?

“The case you cited had nothing to do with gender, it was solely about race. Try again.”
Try reading there genius
“Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival….To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State’s citizens of liberty without due process of law.”
See the US Supreme Court has held that marriage is a basic civil right.
Several state supreme courts have upheld that and decided further than bans on same sex marriage were unconstitutional.
I’ll ask yet again since no right winger seems brave enough to answer.
DO you think the majority should be allowed to limit the right of a minority?

@ Wow
Could you link us to your references to where you got your raw data?

“We have done that and thus far 31 states have rejected gay marriage”
Again do you think the majority should be able to limit the rights of a minority?

The National approval of Gay Marriage is %49 in favor, and %46 opposed. With %53 saying Gay Marriages held legally in another state should be recognized as legal in their states.

Obama’s stance is clear, he favors Gay Marriage. For if he didn’t, he wouldn’t seek to repeal the DOMA. Think about it.

Ryan, what specific “rights” are missing in civil unions and domestic contracts as compared to marriage contracts?

“Obama’s stance is clear, he favors Gay Marriage. For if he didn’t, he wouldn’t seek to repeal the DOMA. Think about it.”
Thomasalex, Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. Are you saying he LIED?

“Ryan C, you’re unbelievable. I’ve already stated “I don’t care what people do” “Which is right (gays have the same rights as hetero unions)”
Except they don’t your factcehck article states as much
“The Government Accountability Office lists 1,138 federal laws that pertain to married couples. Many in that long list may be minor or only relevant to small groups of citizens. However, a number of provisions are key to what constitutes a marriage legally in the United States:
* Taxes. Couples in a civil union may file a joint state tax return, but they must file federal tax returns as single persons. This may be advantageous to some couples, not so for others. One advantage for married couples is the ability to transfer assets and wealth without incurring tax penalties. Partners in a civil union aren’t permitted to do that, and thus may be liable for estate and gift taxes on such transfers.
* Health insurance. The state-federal divide is even more complicated in this arena. In the wake of the Massachusetts high court ruling, the group Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders put together a guide to spousal health care benefits. GLAD’s document is Massachusetts-specific but provides insight into how health insurance laws would apply to those in a civil union in other states. In general, GLAD says, it comes down to what’s governed by state law and what’s subject to federal oversight. If a private employer’s health plans are subject to Massachusetts state insurance laws, benefits must be extended to a same-sex spouse. If the health plan is governed by federal law, the employer can choose whether or not to extend such benefits.
* Social Security survivor benefits. If a spouse or divorced spouse dies, the survivor may have a right to Social Security payments based on the earnings of the married couple, rather than only the survivor’s earnings. Same-sex couples are not eligible for such benefits.
Other federal areas in which couples in civil unions don’t have the same rights as married couples include immigration (a partner who’s a foreign national can’t become an American by entering into a civil union with someone) and veterans’ and military benefits (only opposite-sex spouses have a right to pensions, compensation for service-related deaths, medical care, housing and the right to burial in veterans’ cemeteries). Gay couples, however, may actually benefit when applying for programs such as Medicaid or government housing that require low-income eligibility. A spouse’s income is included in such applications, but a same-sex partner’s income is not. One change has been made in federal law: A provision in the Pension Protection Act of 2006 allows same-sex couples to transfer 401(k) and IRA earnings to partners without penalty.”
“I bet you were one of the ones targetting only white churches during the Gay Riots of 2008.”
I know Mormons have had a very sordid history when it comes to discriminating against African Americans but I would hardly call them white churches.
But isn’t it funny (not ha ha) how you bought the right wing media portrayal of gay people as out of control rioters hook line and sinker.

MEDIA BIASED.
Speak of the unfairness of the media…Report…and you must not only address how Sarah Palin was mistreated. Mrs. Bush, even while the First Lady, participated in/led various great causes……………yet, the liberal alphabet MSM (except that calling them MSM is not correct since they’re not “mainstream” anymore) simply ignored the great contributions of Mrs./First Lady Bush. Yet Michelle can plant a garden outside of our White House and they can’t say enough about it. There is no doubt why their viewership/readership has dwindled.

Marriage is a union between a man & a woman. The sooner people realize the better it will be. President Obama offered them civil union; to me they should embrace the idea. As a Christian I think other Christians should stand firm on their values and believes to protect the sanctity of marriage in this country.

You’re talking apples and oranges.
No state can convey federal rights on anyone. Factcheck was very clear. States that have unions give both types equal states rights. It was also very clear that the Federal government didn’t recognize them.
I, as was factcheck, very clear too. If states recognize the unions, they should do so equally. It’s only right. No state legislature and no state judge can assign federal rights to any party. It’s a basic principle of our country. You aren’t suggesting we overturn some of our core founding principles just so that a gay union can be required to be called a gay marriage, are you?
You’re so angry and frothing at the mouth to launch smears and attacks you’re not even bothering to understand anything that’s being said. How can you have a conversation with someone when you won’t show the basic decency to bother listening to what they say?

“You’re talking apples and oranges.”
No you are by claiming civil unions equal marriage when they clearly do not.
“States that have unions give both types equal states rights.”
Rights via the state are very limited.
“It was also very clear that the Federal government didn’t recognize them.”
Yes because of DOMA.
Which should be repealed or struck down as unconstitutional in the tradition of Living v VA.

Your party is the party in power. They’re the ones holding you back and denying you your rights. Be angry at them.

@ Carrot Top
What President hasn’t lied to be Elected? Its Politics.

RyanC:”Is the concept of arguing for civil rights not out of self interest but out of principle really that difficult a concept for a right winger to grasp?” — Please, the cons don’t enter a fray unless there’s something in it for them (especially their God given right to express their bigotry in the most vile fashion possible).

“Funnyly enough, so can any gay. So long as they choose to marry someone of the opposite sex. Just like every one else.”
Why would a Homosexual marry someone of the opposite sex? Just like, why would a Heterosexual marry someone of the same sex?

Ryan C, your party can’t even find a leader to lead itself, let alone find a leader to lead a revolution. Oh, and by the way, don’t you dare forget that us Dems have guns too, so if you want another civil war, we’ll be there.

US Gay Marriages: CT, IA, MA, NH, VT.
US Civil Unions: CA, CO, DC, HI, ME, NJ, NV, OR, WA, WI.

“Unfortunately at the time the Democrats were infected with Southern right wing racists.
Thankfully they left to join the GOP.”
So, you’re suggesting that there aren’t any current southern Democrats that are opposed to gay marriage? Obama is a democrat and he’s opposed to gay marriage. He’s not southern.
As far as I can tell, him and I share the same views on this matter. Is he a bigot and a “right-winger”?

I am not a right winger. In fact, I voted democrat in 2008. I am independent.
“I get disappointed when the left wingers try to frame Obama’s election victory as a change of public opinion on Gay marriage or a win for their philosophy.”
That’s interesting because while I know that Obama could be viewed as more gay friendly, I haven;t seen anyone argue that the election of Obama echoed a sea change in public opinion of gay marriage.
Also didn’t you claim earlier in this thread that you were unaware of Obama position of gay marriage entirely?
I guess that was a lie.
I doubt you voted for Obama either.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

Ok, so I was wrong about the state legal status of gay marriage. Can you pull a subscription card out your copy of The Advocate and send it to me? That’ll keep me up to date.
Frankly, I don’t really care. I took the content of the factcheck article as accurate and your argument in regards to DOMA reinforced it. How come you didn’t correct me then? Did you not know yourself until alexThomas pointed out?

DOMA:
1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
2 The federal government defines marriage as a legal union exclusively between one man and one woman
Does not mean these States do not have Gay Marriage.

“Again I understand you think calling me gay is some kind of slur but all it shows is your cowardice. ”
Only gay people read The Advocate? Wouldn’t someone who is so passionately concerned about gay rights, such as yourself, not also read it? How do you keep up with gay issues if you do not read about them?
I’m confused.

“Only gay people read The Advocate? Wouldn’t someone who is so passionately concerned about gay rights, such as yourself, not also read it? How do you keep up with gay issues if you do not read about them?”
It may surprise you but gay issue discussion is not confined to the Advocate.
But nice try on worming your way out.

“It may surprise you but gay issue discussion is not confined to the Advocate.
But nice try on worming your way out.
”
The Advocate was the only magazine I know of that’s dedicated to gay issues. I used it as a proxy for any gay magazines or newsletters you might subscribe to, seeings how you so passionate about their rights. Surely you don’t get all your information just from the media.

“(atleast according to hillbuzz)”
ROFLMAO!
A right winger pretending to be a Hillary supporter as they blast everything Hillary stands for.
Next time just quote Free Republic, at least they are h9onest about their bigotry.

“I used it as a proxy for any gay magazines or newsletters you might subscribe to, seeings how you so passionate about their rights.”
I don’t need newsletters or magazines to offer the simple argument over and over again.
That gay people are people just like you and me and they are entitled to the same rights that we enjoy.
So do you think the majority should be able to limit the rights of a minority?

“So do you think the majority should be able to limit the rights of a minority? ”
What has the SCOTUS ruled on this specific issue? Their the final arbiter on equal rights issues. And although they do make mistakes, such as Kelo, I’ll defer to their judgement.
Until then, I don’t agree that the majority is limiting the rights of the minority.
We have the exact same rights.

“Check their archives from when Hillary was still in the race.”
Blog first appeared after Obama fought Hillary to a standstill on Super Tuesday and had begun his run of victories.
The posts about Hillary herself are incredibly superficial (we love you) and the focus is attacking Obama ALL the TIME usually using right wing source material.
Now they don’t even bother with the Hillary fluff and just push the hard right wing line.

“”MELODY BARNES: “I appreciate your question and I also belong to the United Church of Christ……”"*****If she is a true Christian she would be against the homosexual life style and their actions, not the person.

Posted by: Ryan C | Nov 13, 2009 7:51:19 PM
See
Posted by: Huh? | Nov 13, 2009 7:34:24 PM

Ryan C., That may be true about the “shellfish”, and I’ll have to look that one up, but God did say that homosexuality is an abomination. It is my belief that a man and man or a woman and a woman should not be “married”. I will not be convinced otherwise, just like you will not be convinced otherwise on your beliefs. Also you have asked the question a couple different times “So do you think the majority should be able to limit the rights of a minority?” I ask you do you think the minority should limit the rights of the majority?

re: Shellfish. I’ll write this out because my scripture quotes were removed by an overzealous mod. You’ll have to look them up yourself.
First of all, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law (OT) not replace it. In Romans there are specific verses about food.
If you believe all scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore comes from God, this should answer your shellfish questions.
If this survives, maybe I will try to post more.

Sorry Teddy but I just can’t let this go… It’s like a skit from SNL…
“As the transcript shows, Ms. Barnes did not discuss her specific personal views on same-sex marriage or other issues.”
Well what the heck is your article about then?

“The right of one consenting adult to marry one consenting adult should be a given. ”
Unless, of course, they’re first cousins, brothers and sisters, fathers and daughters, mothers and sons, already married, etc…
Right?

Boston College Law School shot video of Barnes’ speech and Q&A that followed but initially held off on releasing it to the press because it wanted to “give the White House staffers a chance to view the video and give us their thumbs up on making it public.”
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When someone does something out of common consideration, it is not usually compared to Kim Jung ll.

Lydia,
Your own words speak against you. You are amazed homosexuality is linked with all of the other “bad” stuff? By your expression you acknowledge the behaviour is immoral, yet you attempt to defend it. Be careful when you call something evil good, and good evil.

When it comes to Obama’s view on GLBT issues, he will say whatever the HRC wants and take big donations from the supporters wallets, then sic his AG and DoD officials to advocate against gay rights.
He need not worry about 2012, but 2010.

Even if gays are eventually granted the “right to marry” it still will not diminish the aversion to the gay lifestyle illustrated by the fact that 30 states so far have voted to continue banning gay marriages. And please don’t try to say its because of all the “right wing” christian activist skewing the votes. I thought they were supposed to be the ingnorant, archaic minority.

Posted by: tierra | Nov 14, 2009 6:56:44 PM “Nonsense. Change happens generationally. …… These were simply generational biases – ignorance if you will. The ignorance you speak of will pass as well.”"****That is your opinion that these beliefs held by some are ignorances that will pass (not in my lifetime). It could be said that your beliefs opposite of those held by some are ignorant also and they will pass as well.

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