By Jacqueline Klingebiel

Nov 7, 2009 9:49am

Obama: Fort Hood Shootings Show ‘Worst Of Human Nature’ but also ‘Best of America’

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports:

Calling Thursday’s shooting in Fort Hood, Texas one of the most devastating ever committed on an American military base, President Obama said that while “the worst of human nature was on full display” the “best of America” was also shown that day. “Even as we saw the worst of human nature on full display, we also saw the best of America,” President Obama said in his weekly address, “We saw soldiers and civilians alike rushing to aid fallen comrades; tearing off bullet-riddled clothes to treat the injured; using blouses as tourniquets; taking down the shooter even as they bore wounds themselves.” Mr. Obama said that the soldier’s “valor” and “selfless” reaction to the shooting make “all of us proud to be Americans,” as many used tactics learned in the battlefields to help protect their fellow soldiers when an Army psychiatrist walked to the Solider Readiness Processing Center and began shooting, in a place where Mr. Obama said they should feel “the most safe.” “It is an act of violence that would have been heartbreaking had it occurred anyplace in America. It is a crime that would have horrified us had its victims been Americans of any background. But it’s all the more heartbreaking and all the more despicable because of the place where it occurred and the patriots who were its victims.” The President, as he did on Friday sought to assure a grieving nation that he is staying on top of the investigation and will be in “close contact” with representatives of the relevant agencies as new information comes in. “We cannot fully know what leads a man to do such a thing. But what we do know is that our thoughts are with every single one of the men and women who were injured at Ft. Hood. Our thoughts are with all the families who’ve lost a loved one in this national tragedy. And our thoughts are with all the Americans who wear – or who’ve worn – the proud uniform of the United States of America.” Mr. Obama made a special note that the flags he ordered to fly at half staff from today until Veterans Day honor all Americans who have served, from all races, faiths, and station. “They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers. They are descendents of immigrants and immigrants themselves. They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other.” -Sunlen Miller

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Some of the worst in human nature was demonstrated when the Commander in Chief went on a verbal pander tour (only after giving a shout out to his apparatchiks for doing such a great job setting up the room?), then gives a holla to guy in the audience?
Then, oops, almost forgot about that Texas thing…
Disgraceful, no sense of dignity or propriety.
It is also unconscionable that the media have edited the press conference to try to hide their pals embarrasment.

Posted by: yamal | November 7, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Even the leftist Boston Globe feels there’s something a bit creepy about the chief executive:
IN TIMES of national tragedy, Americans expect their president to capture the mood and moment with the right blend of emotion, empathy, and urgency. It’s a delicate act of timing and tone. And President Obama, despite his eloquence and dignity, has yet to master it, as illustrated by his awkward response to the deadly shootings at the Fort Hood Army Base in Texas.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 7, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Maybe we shouldn’t have had this guy helping out our transition team?
“The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force last year.
Islamic terrorism?
Never heard of it. It was a person caused disaster that “occured”.

Posted by: Axe | November 7, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

More on the creepiness:
It takes more than scripted eloquence for presidents to connect with their fellow Americans. It requires a visceral ability to grasp the scope of tragedy, calculate its impact on the national psyche, and react swiftly to it. Ronald Reagan did it after the Challenger explosion took the lives of seven crew members on Jan. 28, 1986. So did Bill Clinton, after the Oklahoma City bombings of April 19, 1995, left 168 dead and more than 600 injured.
When a gunman fired those shots at Fort Hood, the country immediately felt the pain. Obama missed the first moment to show he understood just how much it hurt.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 7, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Oh, my. Who would have thought we’d read this in the New York Times?
Job creation has dropped from top priority to one of many, and President Obama has been remanded to pandering for patience and offering excuses. On the one hand, he argues the tortured rationale that there is good news in the awful numbers: Things are still getting worse but at a slower pace. On the other, he incessantly reminds us that he inherited the crisis. The implication: Don’t blame me, blame Bush.
But this president can’t keep deflecting to the last one. Pain is presently felt. The crisis that took form on Bush’s watch is being experienced on Obama’s. Fair or not, finger-pointing is not effective policy.
This is now Obama’s crisis, and it carries political consequences. During Tuesday’s gubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia, nearly 9 in 10 voters said that they were worried about the direction of the nation’s economy in the next year. And the majority of those who held that view voted for the Republican candidates. This could portend a flashback to 1994.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 7, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

I see that that that moron George W. Bush made a private unpublicized visit to the wounded victims of the Ft. Hood attack.Apparently this idiot was too dumb not to give a “shout-out” to a “Congressional Medal of Honor” winner first.Apparently he was too dumb to bring the press and a cameraman along to record his compassion.BUT HE WENT-which is more than you can say for the mediocrity that we now have in the White House.How dumb can you be to go on national TV and claim that a person that you personally awarded the Medal of Freedom got the Medal of Honor? Does he even know the difference? I doubt it.

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Wost press conference in modern history, followed by the incredulous worded statement for Americans not to “jump to conclusions”. I’m sure he didn’t want anyone to conclude anyone “acted stupidly”.
With the help of speech writers and Americans who truly care for the military, Obama is finally able to run together a few sentences that somewhat honor the military. And for this, we are supposed to “thank” him?
Naw, he looked immature and he sounded flippant when the military needed him to be the president. The later editing of his remarks by the press was shameful. All Americans should have experienced the stunning shock of his “shout out”.

Posted by: WhereWasThePress? | November 7, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Nephron;
I see that that that moron George W. Bush made a private unpublicized visit to the wounded victims of the Ft. Hood attack.Apparently this idiot was too dumb not to give a “shout-out” to a “Congressional Medal of Honor” winner first.Apparently he was too dumb to bring the press and a cameraman along to record his compassion.BUT HE WENT-which is more than you can say for the mediocrity that we now have in the White House.How dumb can you be to go on national TV and claim that a person that you personally awarded the Medal of Freedom got the Medal of Honor? Does he even know the difference? I doubt it.”
Yeah, Bush was stupid that way. We loved his bailouts, but he flew out many times and WOULD NOT ALLOW PRESS COVERAGE OR CAMERAS!
How stupid is that?

Posted by: Axe | November 7, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

#1 Obama voted for the bailouts-the Senate had to pass them to become law.Obama is as responsible as Bush for them.#2 Bush has the class to know what is right in these situations.Obama doesn’t.Why isn’t it being reported that the families of 17 out of the 18 soldiers and DEA officers at Dover AFB objected to being props in Mr. Obama’s photo op?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

George W. Bush made a private unpublicized visit to the wounded victims of the Ft. Hood attack.
***
Oh, I get it you devilish little pranksters. Bush is off limits when someone on the left mentions his disastrous foreign, economic, monetary or domestic policy– because all that was so very long ago– BUT when you all want to politicize a shocking act of violence that harmed and killed our country’s heroes, then bringing up the Bush is appropriate. In fact, doing so sends you over the moon with giddy delight.
Since you brought him up let’s take a minute to think about W.
With the words “this Crusade, this war on terror,” President George W. Bush defined the purpose of his presidency– and he cried publicly over the romance of his grand crusade many times. And it was gross. Remember this:
During a videoconference with U.S. military and civilian personnel, President Bush praised the troops fighting in Afghanistan, claiming he was “a little envious” of their “romantic” fight:
“I must say, I’m a little envious,” Bush said. “If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed.”
“It must be exciting for you … in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You’re really making history, and thanks,” Bush said.
Talk about tone deaf and dopey.
But shhhhh… don’t mention any of that.

Posted by: Olivia | November 7, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

I think we caught another glimpse of Obama’s human nature when he had lighthearted shout-outs with his audience, instead of immediately consoling the nation.
I wouldn’t have put it past him to start yelling Fired-Up Ready to Go,
before he switched his demeanor to fake concern over the tragedy in Fort Hood.
Obama just reads the scripts and plays the role. He has two facial expressions–that creepy grin and a cold blank stare.

Posted by: tyler | November 7, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am

George Bush made a private visit to the wounded as a private citizen.Barack Obama as Commander in Chief couldn’t find the time to go.How can you spin that?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

From the Boston Globe:
“In times of national tragedy Americans expect their president to capture the mood. Obama has yet to master it.”
In my opinion you cannot teach empathy.
Critics say Obama is style and no substance. I say he has neither.

Posted by: millie | November 7, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Which is the MSM trying to hide the most?
Obama’s callous response to the tragedy
or the fact that the shooter was a Muslim?

Posted by: kyle | November 7, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am

I like the way Obama called this an “outburst of violence”.
Is he trying to hide that the FBI knew about this guy months ago?
And that this was probably planned.

Posted by: nate | November 7, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am

“We cannot fully know what leads a man to do such a thing.”
And therefore we should not ask? And we should ignore the evidence in front of us?

Posted by: PD | November 7, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am

“George Bush made a private visit to the wounded as a private citizen.Barack Obama as Commander in Chief couldn’t find the time to go.How can you spin that?”…….. And if he went you’d accuse him of not having respect and using it for publicity?
Maybe he couldn’t find the time because if he leaves the office for anything you guys chew into him as well.
Just own your hatred here.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

I call this domestic terrorism – jihad. No more ‘political correctness.’ Any chance Jake Tapper will have the courage to speak the truth?

Posted by: SpikeB | November 7, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am

Who told the FBI to back off of Hasan? And why?
The FBI follows closely other Muslim’s who could possibly cause a problem.
Why did they back off from him?

Posted by: larry | November 7, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am

What time is Barry’s golf game on Sunday?

Posted by: jessie | November 7, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am

What happened to Mr. Obama. The way he was talking during the election, I thought he was going to turn wine into fish, eliminate all guns, conquered world hunger and world peace will be the norm.

Posted by: young_voter | November 7, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

I didn’t vote for Bush either time.
And didn’t really grow to appreciate him until Obama came along.
But I always felt safe with Bush/Cheney in the White House. I felt like they were in control and would do anthing to protect us.
I do not feel safe with Obama.
He is too concerned about what is politically correct and about who likes
him.
And God forbid if he ever had to make a
decision on the spur of the moment.

Posted by: bailey | November 7, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

“Just own your hatred here.”
Oooh, hatred.
Yeah, right. Disagree with Obama, you’re automatically a hater. Please excuse those peals of derisive laughter you hear in the background, surely they’ve nothing to do with your “analysis” of our motives.

Posted by: PD | November 7, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Obama
The Hollow Man

Posted by: hank | November 7, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am

“wine into fish”
Er, what?

Posted by: PD | November 7, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

What time is Barry’s golf game on Sunday? – Jessie.
I think Mr. Obama’s golf game is on Saturday because his basketball game is Friday and on Sunday, it’s watching the Chicago football.

Posted by: young_voter | November 7, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Finally with this latest statement, Obama for the first time that I’ve heard him, mentions the words “best of America”. Good for him. I wish he’d say it more often. But to call this a ‘tragedy’? A tragedy is when you fall out of a tree. This was an act of terrorism. Nevertheless, it’s good the Obama’s are finally proud of their country. Let’s hope it doesn’t take another terrorist act to hear these words again.

Posted by: Tom | November 7, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

“And God forbid if he ever had to make a
decision on the spur of the moment.”
His inability to come to a decision on Afghanistan shows there’s little danger of any spur-of-the-moment action.
Oh, wait. I spoke too soon. He can decide off the cuff, even while admitting to not possessing all the facts, that the Cambridge cops acted stupidly. So there is real leadership potential after all.

Posted by: PD | November 7, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am

That was really creepy seeing Hasan sitting in the audience of a Homeland Security task force seminar.
But we shouldn’t “jump to conclusions”.
It’s also strange that he never got orders to go to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Posted by: ollie | November 7, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Obama’s Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting…
From NBC Chicago
Guesswe know whos side Obama is on…. Got jobs America?…Got troops Afganistan?…….

Posted by: mickey maoist | November 7, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Obama WAS concerned after the shout outs.
Didn’t you see his wrinkled brow?
Obama always looks like he is trying to supress a smile.
I think he sees us all as a bunch of suckers that bought the snakeoil.
Well actually only 53% bought it.

Posted by: kyle | November 7, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Amazing that he doesn’t want to jump to conclusions without all the facts…..maybe he did learn something from Professor Gates and the learning experience….
Also, was anyone else offended by his speech that was supposed to be about Ft Hood, but started out as a Hooray for us and the Dept of Interior. Ft Hood seemed to be secondary. He seems to have no regard or respect for the military. Shame on him….

Posted by: Janice | November 7, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

This was a government engineered PC massacre and they need to be held accountable.
This guy had been written up multiple times for preaching Islam & objections to the war on Islamic terrorists to his patients. Returning soldiers he was doing this to.
This is the 4th terrorist attack in just the last couple years.
Synogue shootings in Seattle, Muslim extremist.
DC sniper? Suspected of fragging 16 GI’s in Iraq with a thermite grenade, same preaching as Hassan, same insults to infidels he served with. All documented, still given an honorable discharge at then let loose to slaughter infidels here in America.
Little Rock attack? Muslim extremist who hates America.
FT Hood? Documented and disciplined for the same stuff as Hassan & DC sniper, promoted to major and given returning war vets to counsel for depression?
All of these terrorist Islamist attacks are not called that, let alone a hate crime.
This is madness. Tapper, you need to bring these facts up to Gibberish and have him explain this to the American people.
WE DEMAND ANSWERS ON THIS POLITICALLY CORRECT MADNESS.

Posted by: S.alito | November 7, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

“Just because this idiot was a Muslim doesn’t give him some auto on being labeled a “terrorist”"
Conversely, it doesn’t give him a free ride not to be labeled one, which is what you’re arguing.
We should look at the case and decide on the basis of evidence. I think the evidence (e.g., words and actions in the months leading up to the incident, passing our Korans the morning of same) does suggest a religious or ideological link. Perhaps you don’t think so. But are you really saying we should just shut our eyes to the evidence in front of us?

Posted by: PD | November 7, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Actually, for those of you who think this was “planned,” many people knew about Major Hasan for quite some time, and ignored it. Typical until someone breaks and does something horrific, and that includes our own soldiers. Our troops returned with PTSD are told they had pre-existing disturbances and are not given the help they need. Major Hasan had been harrassed for his Muslim faith and probably just for having the name he has, for troops have been taught to hate and kill folks like the Major. This man attempted to leave the military; what happened? There are many people responsible for this tragedy, not just Major Hasan, a man clearly in trouble for quite some time. And as for the worst of human nature, we have only to realize that over a million people have died for Bush and Cheney’s lies to the American people, including day by day our own troops who think they are being patriotic by going overseas. They are not heroes, they are just part of a misguided and cruel occupation. For those who felt safe with Bush and Cheney, you were on a ship of fools.

Posted by: Daytrip | November 7, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

secondlook:
Go read a Koran and the instructions are quite clear.
Or better yet rent Islam: What the West Needs to Know.
It has interviews with former Islamist terrorists and gets into great detail directly from the Koran.
Spin it however you want. 90% of Americans have more common sense and honesty than you do.
No matter how many of you paid trolls are put on here for opinion shaping, the truth is plain for all to see from the facts.
Political correctness is wreaking havoc in our military and killing soldiers needlessly. The government and responsible parties should be sued for contributing to this massacre they engineered.
Our soldiers deserve better and so does America.

Posted by: S.alito | November 7, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

PD I’m basing it on the fact you guys are yet again pulling another rule change. NO OTHER GUY in such a situation has EVER been labeled this. You’re going purely on he was a Muslim. If he was that big a Muslim he’d have strapped the big bomb on himself to assure he’d get that room full of virgins later. Make sure his face is on the latest poster of hero’s over in the Middle East.
He may have been religious, but it’s easy to see he had other issues here and it wasn’t about Allah more than it was about him not wanting to go play war after he signed on for it.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

S.alito – Go read the Old Testiment and get back to me on how that shakes up your life because you take it so literally. Anybody can make this stuff into what they want and not all Muslim’s see it this way.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

WASHINGTON – For months he had warned it was coming but that didn’t ease the political shockwaves for President Barack Obama when unemployment topped 10 percent. A year after his election Obama finds it increasingly difficult to blame the sour economy on George W. Bush or offer reassurances that jobless Americans will soon find work.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 7, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

It is truly sad that folks like secondhand cannot accept facts.Did Obama go to Ft. Hood or didn’t he?If as you say he is afraid to go “because if he leaves the office for anything you guys chew into him as well” he is a coward and unfit for office.George Bush put up with vitriol and hatred from the left wing for years and i never saw him run away from them. When has anybody come forth with a documentary on the assasination of Barack Obama like they did with George Bush?This insensitivity seen at the press conference is way too familiar.How soon we forget his totally inappropriate comments about the mentally and physically challenged on the “Tonight Show”. The sad thing is that he is not intelligent enough to recognize how demeaning it is to others,butalso how demeaning it is to himself and his reputation.I have never bought the nonsense that this politician was a brilliant individual or even particularly smart.There is no evidence of his intelligence other than pundits and other politicians constantly saying it.His really stupid “Medal of Honor” comment highlights this. He actually personally decorated the previously-mentioned MOH winner with the Medal of Freedom.Obviously he doesn’t know the difference (or even cares).

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

PD – And go read the Old Testiment and get back to me on what changes because you decided to take it literally. Surely you’ve noticed those that do are rather out there with their version of religion?
Not everybody that is Muslim believes like the terrorists.
If you wish to promote an America that stands against what we’ve always stood for that is your business I suppose. But to read you guys? You’d purge all Muslim’s tomorrow. I wonder how many were born here. Quick, somebody grab Muhammad Ali because he’s one. He’s got to go! Is that REALLY what this nation stands for? Is this so bad yet that is necessary? I hardly think so.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Nephron – ENOUGH of the “waaa waaa movie thing” when it was some British movie. Even Hillary put it down.
George Bush enjoyed about 4 years of hind kissing bliss and it wasn’t until failed war policy that we all threw our hands up. Term two was when GWB caught the lip. FOUR YEARS into it. You people started in before Obamam took oath and you whine like the biggest whiners I’ve ever seen. Why? Simply because you lost. Flat out the biggest reason.
Ya know, Obama is indeed liberal. But to suggest he’s stupid? Such a joke. Then again, you guys can’t gaige IQ over there anymore. Palin comes to mind. After Bush.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Why didn’t Obama go to Ft. Hood?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

NBC Chicago on Obama’s “frightening insensitivity”:
President Obama didn’t wait long after Tuesday’s devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.
After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.
But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior’s Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a “shout-out” to “Dr. Joe Medicine Crow — that Congressional Medal of Honor winner.”  Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms.
Who is advising him?
Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That’s the least that should occur. 

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 7, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

“President Obama didn’t wait long after Tuesday’s devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.”………. This an editorial? Love the opening. “devastating elections.” Yeah, Palin’s pick in NY gave congress another dem but those gov. races trump? Well, they do now if you’re a republican.
Obama went out during the normal press briefing. NON story.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Maybe Obama should protect our military with his own special privite police force. From his speech on July 2:
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
Great, can’t wait for the armed ACORN thugs & unemployed union hacks to start up with the PC thought police.
This administration scares America for a reason and it goes way beyond party lines. This is about changing America into the image Obama wants.
Nothing more, nothing less. The left is very totalitarian. Study your history.
Anita Dunn’s “favorite political philosopher” is Mao. Her own words and no, she was not kidding. This is the same guy who murdered about 70 million of his own people in the name of “progress”.
No, Obma is not Mao, but his cronies sure think highly of the guy and use his tactics almost as much as Alinski’s.
Win at all cost, the end justifies the means. Destroy your enemies any way you can.
Remember the Clintons using the IRS against their enemies?

Posted by: timetotakeabreath | November 7, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Obama’s rehearsed words are meaningless. Why didn’t he go to Fort Hood ?

Posted by: CW | November 7, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Secondlook: why didn’t Obama go to Ft. Hood?-the world wonders.Does Barack Obama know the difference between the Medal of Honor and the Medal of Freedom?If Barack Obama is so smart, why isn’t he a Phi Beta Kappa?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Hasan was part of Obama’s homeland Security team. I wonder what else this guy has done to compromise the security of our country?

Posted by: CW | November 7, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Nephron had he gone you’d knock that too. So I don’t see much of a point is trying to have a discussion with you. I would assume since all hell was breaking loose it would be wise not to have to lock down the fort for some presidential visit.
He’s so smart he makes you look like an ant. He’s just liberal.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Hasan was part of Obama’s homeland Security team. I wonder what else this guy has done to compromise the security of our country?
Posted by: CW | Nov 7, 2009 12:51:01 PM
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He sat in some big audience at one point and you’re going to go for some more guilt by association and exaggeration I see. You guys would get more respect if you’d argue about real issues. This method is going to seriously blow up in your faces. Especially if the left begins to dish it back.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Yes I felt a lot safer wth bush on guard.
Just look at the H1N1 vaccine disaster!
Obamatrons complain about Katrina but have most of their missing when it comes to Obama mistakes.

Posted by: jonny | November 7, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Alyson, I have on VERY good authority that throughout the entire Somali hostage crisis the White house refused to allow units at the scene to proceed with rescue activities.It was only when the boat drifted to within 20 miles of the Somali coast and re-contact with the pirate base was at hand did the on-scene OIC order the action to take place under the policy of UNODIR.The actual shooting did not take place as reported in TIME,et. al.All details are classified(as one would expect-why give away your tactics?).

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Yeah Nephron – I’m sure you have really good connections. To far right blogs maybe. And Faux.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Just another example of why we should be at war with all the muslim world. why do we still let these people in our country. america is being destroyed from within.

Posted by: james | November 7, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

“He’s so smart he makes you look like an ant” I highly doubt that but it is immaterial.The questions remain: if he is so smart why isn’t he a Phi Beta Kappa? Why didn’t he go to Ft. Hood? Does he know what the Medal of Honor is?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Hasan was a time bomb.
Who told the FBI to stand down.

Posted by: kyle | November 7, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Alyson,give me an example of any scholarly paper that spells Frantz Fanon as Franz Fanon when referring to the West Indian psychiatrist.

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

Speaking of the worst of human nature, Nancy Pelosi actually defied her botox and broke into a broad grin.
She was beaming because Obama had stepped in to save the day. The emphasis seemed to be more about Obama making history than anything else.
Americans have made it clear that jobs/economy are the most important thing–but Pelosi, Reid, Obama have a legacy to think about.

Posted by: millie | November 7, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Obama and Pelosi are in a panic.
Their power has peaked and time is running out–less than 12 months to fundamentally change America.
They know in less than 12 months we will fundamentally change Congress, and with that goes their power.
Obama is about to become a lame duck and he knows it.

Posted by: hank | November 7, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

Alyson headed over to the Huffpo, then DailyKos for a fresh refill of hate and intolerance of dissenting opinion.
That & to get some more one liners to “dispute” facts with.
You want to see hate check both those sites. Folks like Alyson thrive on the commentary there. Off work of course, otherwise he/she or whatever the V creatures are, is here preaching “truth to power”, gettin “fired up & ready to go!”
Fellow moderate independents look at The New Republic or American Thinker for both sides of things with some thought & lucidity. Tapper would fit in pretty well at TNR. They were the only left leaning mag to dig into healthcare reform when HillaryCare was being pushed in an honest fashion. They hated it too btw…
Not nearly as funny as abc though :)

Posted by: timetotakeabreath | November 7, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

I agree that Huffpo allows the most hateful comments I have ever read.

Posted by: CW | November 7, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

You guys must not read comments on Fox then. Frankly all sites seem to be too hateful anymore. This one included. Most only notice it if it’s directed at them though.
I will say this about Huff. I can be on there and understand why the digs about “elitists.” They seem to get snotty about the strangest things. And it’s not very liberal.

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

There was nothing hateful about Alyson. She simply disagrees with what you guys are saying there.
It figures somebody with all the spin talking points would accuse her of that though. Say Acorn and we hear “blah, blah, blah. . . “

Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

What is sad are the right wing’s repeated attempts to smear the President, the Democrats and the people who support them.
And the frequency with which the right wing is caught here dealing out untrue information and bogus ‘facts’.
It reveals a lot about the lack of integrity on the right – there seems to be shockingly little.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

I’m sorry, but I don’t quite understand what all the arguing about Obamacare, Kenya, socialism, animals being allowed to vote on government death panels, or communist flying saucers controlling Congress have to do with the tragic events at Fort Hood.
Maybe I’m a little dense.

Posted by: Cthulhu | November 7, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Posted by: Cthulhu | Nov 7, 2009 2:21:37 PM
Anything the President does is seen by the right wing as an opportunity to attack him – regardless of the issue – and often despite the issue. It’s a knee-jerk reaction from ideologues.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

I know this is off topic but I want jhw539 to respond to this series of comments as yesterday I was personally insulted as one of “the ignorant masses arrogantly sopping off his [the character John Galt's] expertise.”
MY INITIAL COMMENT:
I’m a contractor who will be finishing my contract on 12/31. If I am not working, I do not show up on anyone’s list. I file a Schedule C and am not eligible for unemployment. I am part of The Great Uncounted. There are millions of us out there. I am John Galt not because I chose to be but because the government does not want to know about me.
The real unemployment rate? Not 10.2% – I can tell you that.
Posted by: John Galt | Nov 6, 2009 9:21:50 AM
COMMENT FROM KELLI:
John Galt–I’m counted with you. I lost 1/2 of my work contracts in 2009 and who knows how much more in the coming months. But I will not be counted on any unemployment lists, either. I think if we were counted (as well as those who are vastly underemployed in their current jobs) unemployment would be closer to 18%.
Posted by: kelli | Nov 6, 2009 9:40:43 AM
JHW539′s RESPONSE:
You do not appear to understand how the unemployment number used by the Bureau of Labor Statistics works. It is based upon interviews of a random sample of households that accounts for around 100,000 people. It certainly DOES capture unemployed independent contractors as they are caught by the sample size. The statistical error rate for a sample of this size in the US population is something like +/- 250k people, so those bounds should be considered in the total numbers.
John Galt would have understood the basic maths and well established sampling methods used for this metric. You sound more like the ignorant masses arrogantly sopping off his expertise.
Posted by: jhw539 | Nov 6, 2009 10:02:20 AM
Notice the statement “It certainly DOES capture unemployed independent contractors as they are caught by the sample size.”
MY REPLY:
I don’t even have to take a survey to know I can always count on a personal insult from a liberal.
Didn’t mean to mislead about the “list” – my point being without hard data, this 10.2% unemployment RATE is complete fiction. They have no way of calculating the real rate because they know so many people do not appear in anyone’s statistics. So they use this idiotic “survey” and then publish it like it’s gospel.
BTW: They only survey 60,000 and use the data to report several “statistics.” That’s a lot of “data” (snort) extrapolated from a random sampling of 60,000 out of the whole potential workforce.
Thanks again for the personal insult.
Posted by: John Galt | Nov 6, 2009 11:49:03 AM
This morning as I was reading the fine work done by a “right wing blog” Hot Air only to find a thread about the Associated Press article release Friday night which included the following:
“The Labor Department, using a survey of company payrolls, said the economy shed 190,000 jobs in October. A separate survey of households found 558,000 more people were unemployed last month than in September. Some 15.7 million Americans are out of work.
“The survey of companies doesn’t count the self-employed and undercounts employees of small businesses. So the economic picture could be even more dire.”
I am an independent contract – self-employed – filing a Schedule C for tax purposes. I certainly DO NOT get captured in this bogus survey and the use of it translates to fiction that can too easily be manipulated. The fact that they specifically DO NOT capture data that might make the situation look even worse than what it is makes my point.
jhw539 (an others) constantly label the right as liars – sometimes rightfully so. Whether this was a lie or not, it was certainly uninformed and too trusting of the government. The personal insults attached to it were uncalled for. jhw539 is well-informed in most cases – more so than myself I am sure. But with that knowledge does NOT come the liberty to degrade people personally. There must be just as many “ignorant masses” on the left as on the right. For “the right” it was proven in 2008 – for “the left” in 2000 and 2004. I suspect jhw539 already knows this.

Posted by: John Galt | November 7, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

And another tax reduction to help spur the economy.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 6, 2009 4:11:25 PM
Excellent work Congress! Now that you have helped save all the liar loan deadbeats, banks, first-time home buyers, GM, and anyone else you can politically think of – you finally get around to thinking about those who could have helped slow this whole thing down: home owners with good credit and enough equity to sell their home, buy another one and fill it up with durable goods.
A little late, my friends, as my home isn’t worth squat. But hey! I’ll be happy to throw in a hundred grand of my own money to move and get that dandy tax credit I’m also paying for!
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 6, 2009 4:43:30 PM
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Home prices in the United States are up about 6% since Bush left office.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 6, 2009 4:57:23 PM
tierra, while your statistic is fascinating, allow me to quote real numbers directly from my living room:
Purchased 12/04: $164,000
Est. value as of 1/06: $288,000
Est. value as of 1/09: $130,000
(when Bush left office, as you say)
Est. value as of 11/09: $108,000
The value of my home has gone from #130,000 when Bush left office to $108,000 today. Regardless of the reasons for the decline, your 6% rise statistic (with no source I might add) means nothing to me or my family.
The estimated value of my home is now 37.5% of it’s highest (admittedly inflated) value. It’s only worth 66% of the purchase price (after almost 6 years).
So excuse me if I’m not impressed with your “one-liners” these days.

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 7, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Congressman Glenn Nye (VA-02) announced today that he will vote no on the House health care reform bill (H.R. 3962). Nye stated that the latest version of the legislation achieves many of the goals he set for health care reform – including ensuring access to coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions – but that it does not reduce the overall cost of health care for families, small businesses or taxpayers.”

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | November 7, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 7, 2009 2:57:46 PM
Home prices in the United States are up about 6% since Bush left office.
The source is the National Association of Realtors. (Surely another commie, left wing cult).
“So excuse me if I’m not impressed with your “one-liners” these days.”
Then do some real research yourself – I always do . ..

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

JWH.You failed to correctly provide all the information regarding the unemployment numbers. You failed to to add the people taking part time jobs to survive while they look for full time employment and you failed to to add the people who have lost their unemployment benefits and have given up looking for work. The real number of unemployed is around 17 million people who want to work but are not working full time because thyey do not factor in these people with their unemployment numbers.

Posted by: dwayne | November 7, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

And the frequency with which the right wing is caught here dealing out untrue information and bogus ‘facts’.
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Frequency being a key word here – it happens over and over and over again.
And it does reveals a shocking lack of integrity on the right . .. over and over again.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

I’m going to start my own conspiracy theory.
Hasan has a slight connection to Obama aftetall–no matter how slight that is not good for Obama. Not after Van Jones and Maoist anita Dunn.
Just the images of Hasan sitting in Homeland Security audience and his name as a participant will generate questions.
Hasan has been in DC for years and now all of a sudden he is shipped off to Texas–5 months ago.
Maybe to take the heat off because the guy was growing more radical–get him far away from Obama any connection to him.
Also why after never being deployed was he being sent to Afghanistan now?
And how did Hasan avoid being deployed all of those years while others were sent 4-5 times.
I bet Hasan’s past is being wiped away as we speak.
Please someone help me fill in the blanks…

Posted by: hank | November 7, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Alyson, the right wing parrots think we’re the same person – their powers of discernment seem pathetically limited. Again, the right wingers demonstrate poor judgment.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

One other thing.
Hasan was on the FBI’s radar months ago
Was Hasan in DC?
And if so did someone tell the FBI to drop their investigation thinking that sending Hasan to Texas would solve their problem? And then to Afghanistan.
The problem being a Muslim officer that was becoming dangerous–and the “powers that be” didn’t want to risk making this a public spectacle.
Hasan already said he was being harrassed.
Interesting….

Posted by: hank | November 7, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Home prices in the United States are up about 6% since Bush left office.
The source is the National Association of Realtors.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Home prices in the United States are up about 6% since Bush left office.
The source is the National Association of Realtors.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 7, 2009 3:26:56 PM
Yea, it’s you alright. I’d know that response anywhere.

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 7, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

I’d be very careful about slinging mud. It could get messy.
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 7, 2009 3:29:05 PM
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The right wing on here is cautioning against mud slinging – what a joke. You live on it.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Home prices in the United States are up about 6% since Bush left office.
The source is the National Association of Realtors.
You right wingers should learn what constitutes and how to do legitimate research.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

The right wing on here is cautioning against mud slinging – what a joke. You live on it.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 7, 2009 3:39:32 PM
Quote my mudslinging comments. I’m waiting.

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 7, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

The media is digging into this guy:
While the media turns itself inside out struggling to find a motive for Major Muslim’s jihad, go to this interview on, of all places, NPR,
Listen to a psychiatrist’s recollection of a lecture Hasan gave (a “grand round” is the term for it) when he was a medical resident at Walter Reed. “It freaked them out.” Normally, a lecturer focuses on a particular disease or disorder and recent research or treatment options. Instead, Hasan reportedly harangued the doctors and staff about what the Quran taught about non-believers going to hell, being scalded, beheaded, etc. A Muslim psychiatrist in the audience reportedly challenged him about his interpretation of the Quran, but he would not back down (because he was right). Another version of the story I heard quoted a source as saying that several in the audience suggested afterward that Hasan might be a shooter someday.
Forward the audio audio to 1:50 and listen through 3:05 to hear most relevant comments…This is EXPLOSIVE and it’s NPR.
UPDATE: Last night, Grant transcribed and e-mailed about this NPR audio. Here is the direct link to the MP3 file that contains the statement about people wondering if Hasan would “freak out and shoot people someday”: This URL still works…at the moment, at least.
Here’s Grant’s transcription of pieces of the key part that starts a little after three minutes in the audio file:
3:12 – “I talked just a little while ago with a psychiatrist at Walter Reedwho worked closely, uh, with Hasan, and he says there were a couple things with Hasan that worried a lot of people at Walter Reed”
4:01 – “A couple years ago, two or three years ago, he gave a Grand Rounds presentation”
4:19 – “But instead of giving an academic paper, he gave a lecture on the Quran”
4:29 – “He talked about how if you’re a nonbeliever, uh, the Quran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throats, you should be set on fire”
4:58 – “People actually talked in the hallway afterwards about, ‘Is he, uh, one of these people who’s gonna freak out and shoot people someday?’ It was half kidding, but half serious, he said.”
They knew.
Our government needs to be held accountable for this totally prevtable terrorist act.

Posted by: cs | November 7, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

The right wing on here is cautioning against mud slinging – what a joke. You live on it.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 7, 2009 3:39:32 PM
Quote my mudslinging comments. I’m waiting.
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I’ll point them out to you as we go along – there will be plenty of opportunities. You just watch your fellow right wingers – the main tactic is name calling, mud sligning, misinformation and no intelligent research.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

You right wingers should learn what constitutes and how to do legitimate research.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 7, 2009 3:41:06 PM
Legitimate research is as follows.
Home currently for sale on Realtor dot com: $95,000 (Two streets down with same square footage. This is called a “comparable listing” in case you weren’t aware.)
My home on Zillow dot com:
Purchased 12/04: $164,000
Est. value as of 1/06: $288,000
Est. value as of 1/09: $130,000
(when Bush left office, as you say)
Est. value as of 11/09: $108,000
This a legitimate web site used to track estimated value.
I care little about a vague stat on a national level. In fact it’s a good reason to encourage state’s rights over federal.
It must be nice living in a land of make believe.

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 7, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

I’ll point them out to you as we go along – there will be plenty of opportunities. You just watch your fellow right wingers – the main tactic is name calling, mud sligning, misinformation and no intelligent research.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 7, 2009 3:50:02 PM
Please do point them out and I will do the same.
re: others, I have no control but I can tell you they exist on BOTH sides, such as the disgusting lie that Trig was not Sarah Palin’s baby. At least I admit they are on our side, too. Would you do the same?

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 7, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Tierra, you should check out NPR.
As a fellow left leaner, you may find the poll on the White House’s war on Fox interesting.
I know I was shocked.
Almost everyone left negative comments & thought Fox was doing thier job & the rest of the media was not.
Did you catch Sheppy Smith’s refusal to even mention the terrorist’s name when every other network already announced he was indeed muslim?
Fox isn’t all that. Tapper asks better questions and is an honest liberal like myself.

Posted by: cs | November 7, 2009, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

“I care little about a vague stat on a national level.”
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It is not a ‘vague’ stat at all. It is the amount housing prices have risen since Bush left office.
This isn’t a survey of one house, it is a full national accounting of information from housing prices and houses sold.
Housing prices have risen about 6% nationally since Bush left office.
The source is the National Association of Realtors.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Fact: Barack Obama as Commander in Chief could not find the time to visit wounded victims shot on the largest military post of the country.He couldn’t find the time to visit them 24 hours after the event; he couldn’t find the time to visit them 48 hours after the event; he will not find the time to visit them 72 hours after the event.

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

“I care little about a vague stat on a national level.”
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It is not a ‘vague’ stat at all. It is the amount housing prices have risen since Bush left office.
This isn’t a survey of one house, it is a full national accounting of information from housing prices and houses sold.
Housing prices have risen about 6% nationally since Bush left office.
The source is the National Association of Realtors.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 7, 2009 4:02:32 PM
I don’t deny the stat – it is to generic and vague to be applied tohome values and certainly does not contradict my home being worth squat.
The estimated values I posted show my home going down since Bush left office. I bet I could look at a million homes and see the same trend.
My original point was that I think the government made this mess worse by trying to bail out people that should have been allowed to fail. If they had to provide money (which I am against anyway), it should have gone as tax credits to those who could have moved before their home values crashed. Read my comments again please.
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And another tax reduction to help spur the economy.
Posted by: tierra | Nov 6, 2009 4:11:25 PM
Excellent work Congress! Now that you have helped save all the liar loan deadbeats, banks, first-time home buyers, GM, and anyone else you can politically think of – you finally get around to thinking about those who could have helped slow this whole thing down: home owners with good credit and enough equity to sell their home, buy another one and fill it up with durable goods.
A little late, my friends, as my home isn’t worth squat. But hey! I’ll be happy to throw in a hundred grand of my own money to move and get that dandy tax credit I’m also paying for!
Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 6, 2009 4:43:30 PM

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | November 7, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Posted by: Visualize Whirled Peas | Nov 7, 2009 4:48:54 PM
We’ll just watch the posts here shall we – and see how often the right wing stoops to juvenile name calling, insult and mudslinging against the President.
When I’m here, I’ll point it out each time I see it.
With the high levels of integrity and morality the right wing claims, we should see very little.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

How is it insulting to point out that the Commander in Chief refused to visit his wounded troops at Ft. Hood? Why didn’t he?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

How is it insulting to point out that the Commander in Chief refused to visit his wounded troops at Ft. Hood?
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President Obama did not REFUSE to visit the troops at Ft. Hood – plain and simple. That’s your spin – he ‘refused’.
President Obama and the First Lady will be in Ft. Hood on Tuesday.
You seem to omit President Obama visited wounded troops yesterday. Why do you cherry pick information to suit your personal political agenda? Why not be up front with the real facts?
I think we know the answer to that . . .

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Just seen now that the massacre at Fort Hood was prophesied by Prophet TB Joshua of The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations, Nigeria LIVE on TV during one of his recent Sunday services. This is what he said:
“What’s happening here is a blessing to the nation and to the whole world. Like today, I have some message. This is not even Nigeria but a super nation. The name, ‘Fort’. We should pray for that name. It may be the name of a big company in the whole world but it’s a name. Pray for this name. It’s a parable because I’m seeing a strange person carrying something. But I said, “No, God, please”. We are praying for the whole world here and we keep praying for the whole world”.

Posted by: Stephanie Peters | November 7, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

GLENN BECK WAS RIGHT ABOUT BARACK OBAMA!!
Obama on Major, Born in Virginia, sent to medical school by the U.S. Army, the psychiatrist was disciplined for proselytizing to his patients about Islam. Asked his nationality, he didn’t identify himself as an American but as a Palestinian. He spoke approvingly of the shooting death of a Little Rock Army recruiter in June and reportedly was heard saying “maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square.”He screamed allah akbar before he mowed down scores of patriotic Americans and gave away Qurans with his business card before his act of jihad. He gave his landlord two weeks notice …………
Obama says don’t jump to conclusions on shooting
“We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement…”
Obama’s rush to judgement of a white cop doing his job:
“But I think it’s fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 … that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.”
The incident, Obama said, shows “how race remains a factor in this society.”

Posted by: Sunnyr | November 7, 2009, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Obama says don’t jump to conclusions on shooting
“We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement…”
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You would prefer the President encouraged everybody to jump to conclusions on this tragedy in Ft. Hood?

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

From Webster’s New World College Dictionary 4th edition page 1205:”refuse 2 to decline to do,give,or grant…”Mr. Obama declined to go to Ft. Hood, ergo he refused to go.That isn’t spin-that is an appropriate way to describe his actions.Perhaps tierra can find another dictionary.The bottom line is that Mr. Obama has not gone to Ft. Hood.As far as visiting wounded troops yesterday-what does that have to do with the events in Texas? Are you implying that Mr. Obama already spends enough time with wounded servicemen? I thought that the trip to WRAMC was Mr. Obama’s first visit to that facility since taking office.By Tuesday some of the wounded may well be dead.What does that say about Mr. Obama’s concern?

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

This attack is not a joke. It is not something of which to make light. No matter what the erstwhile President or the media would have you think. It also is something that should not be hidden by playing up whatever other pyscho shoots up his former colleagues or office building (or any other crimes that will soon fill your tv screens.) It isn’t stress. It isn’t gun availability. It isn’t almost all other excuses- and that what they offer. It is was it was. As this guy apparently talked about, posted, and did. And it was sad, tragic, and- possibly- avoidable by having measures but for political correctness, moral waivers, etc. But to claim this Islamic psycho was “stressed” by PTSD is to demean the real issue of PTSD

Posted by: Ed | November 7, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Mr. Obama declined to go to Ft. Hood,
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Pssst . . . he’s President Obama.
He has not declined to go to Ft. Hood. He will be there Tuesday with the First Lady.
Do you think it’s at all possible the Military or the Secret Service restricted him from going to the base immediately?
I suppose you would never have considered this – you’d prefer just to condemn him. And you know the inner workings surrounding a President so well.
Your own personal political agenda is showing again.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

I must have missed the part where somebody asked the President to come immediately to Fort Hood, and he refused. Had he gone immediately he’d have gotten big time in the way.

Posted by: Secondlook | November 7, 2009, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

George Bush is under Secret Service protection,but he went last night. Sorry,that dog don’t hunt.When is the last time you ever heard of the Commander in Chief being restricted from an American military base? How about NEVER. You have never been in the military obviously.Obama didn’t go because he chose not to go.Accept it.

Posted by: Nephron | November 7, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

When is the last time you ever heard of the Commander in Chief being restricted from an American military base?
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When the base is under attack . . . again, the answer is remarkably obvious given any thought at all.
President Obama visited wounded soldiers on Friday. He attended at the arrival of soldiers fallen in duty just last week. He and the First Lady will be in Ft. Hood on tuesday.

Posted by: tierra | November 7, 2009, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Tierra — He’ll be there b/c he is everywhere…..with cameras, lights, etc.
I was disappointed that the president had to continue with the “written speech”. He showed no real sensitivity as he made the shootings a “second item.”
Apparently, other dignitaries have quietly visited the wounded and families without any fanfare.
For a suggestion of strength, he should leave Michelle home on this one.
Obama at Dover was one more incredible photo op for him. He is shameless.
Note: He has personally “jumped to conclusions” in the past, with the professor and the policeman.
Good that he is more reticent in making statements that are not true.

Posted by: pcafe | November 8, 2009, 1:35 am 1:35 am

Obama at Dover was one more incredible photo op for him.
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President Obama was directly involved in retrieving and escorting 18 coffins with individual honors for each. He was there from just after midnight until just before dawn. Only one of these retrievals was filmed. The other 17 Obama did with the troops alone.
Call it what you will but you’re really only revealing your own poverty of spirit, not the President’s.

Posted by: tierra | November 8, 2009, 2:11 am 2:11 am

I have not yet heard the President call this a terrorists attack, which it was. The worst since 9/11. Tell the truth for once!!

Posted by: M. Smith | November 8, 2009, 7:21 am 7:21 am

The fact is that Barack Obama doesn’t care enough to go to Ft. Hood.It isn’t under attack. By Tuesday some of the wounded may be dead.Actions speak louder than words.Why will he not go now? Why will he not go tomorrow?

Posted by: Nephron | November 8, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am

The fact is that Barack Obama doesn’t care enough to go to Ft. Hood.
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Nonsense, you have no idea . ..

Posted by: tierra | November 8, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

The President’s presentation of the shooting at Ft. Hood was an embarrassment.

Posted by: d | November 8, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Why the heck would it matter if Obama visited immediately or not? Is he going to sweep the crime scene for evidence or something??? He’s a POLITICIAN, and his presence immediately is wholly unnecessary, people. He’s not going to alter events of the past, and furthermore he’d probably have the media there and get in the damn way. He’s ALSO not a priest or God, FYI, (although for some reason that’s how America has been treating the presidency for the past decade)so he doesn’t need to rush there to read any last rites. He’s gonna do the little song and dance and lay the wreath on TUESDAY. There is no rush, is there? Most funerals won’t be until then anyway. Jeez.

Posted by: Heroh | November 9, 2009, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Maybe if Janet Napolitano hadn’t been spending so much time scrutinizing “tea-bag people” she could have connected the dots on the worst domestic terrorism since 9/11.

Posted by: John Q Public | November 9, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

Terrorist attack? Did anyone call the shootings at Virginia Tech a terrorist attack? I don’t think it was characterized as such. Since we as a people don’t seem to characterize the Virginia Tech massacre which was perpetrated by an obviously mentally troubled Asian student in Virginia as an Asian terrorist attack, or the Columbine shootings as a teenage-outsider terrorist attack, why should a terrible event perpetrated by an obviously mentally troubled Muslim military officer be labeled a Muslim terrorist attack?

Posted by: swizzle | November 9, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

I don’t recall the Tech shooter yelling”Allahu Ahkbar” before plugging his victims.The Major is not a mentally troubled individual, he is a soldier of Allah who is now being lauded by thousands of Muslim fudamentalists of a similar stripe.There is little evidence of previous mental instability; there is loads of evidence for treason.

Posted by: Nephron | November 9, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

No matter what you will never have anything good to say about the president. He visited privately that’s why you did not see any pictures. Bush visit was suppose to be private but why all the pictures. Imbasols.

Posted by: Disappointed | December 6, 2009, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

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