Palin: ‘Death Panels’ Are Like Reagan’s ‘Evil Empire’

Wasn’t that the discussion on GMA today in reference to the uproar over the change in guidelines on mammograms?
You know they would have to ration care to contain costs. It isn’t honest to suggest otherwise.
Rick…could you get an interview with Jeffrey Flier? I would love to know how he thought we could fix our health care problem.

Sarah Palin “What I ment to say was….”
sounds like back pedaling. Notice she says nothing about the insurance company “death panels”. Not exactly a broad thinker, there.

“But he’s incorrect, and he is disingenuous, if he is telling the American public that it doesn’t come down to people — committees, bureaucrats — deciding who, ultimately, will receive government-run health care, if that’s where we end up.”
Palin is a fool if she thinks that health care doesn’t come down to people NOW. The only difference is that the people doing the rationing are motivated by profits (pay out the minimum possible) rather than public opinion (the government cares about getting re-elected).

cal….Thanks for the laugh. Palin, Cheney, Bachman, the gift that keeps on giving. It is just in time for the holidays wrapped up under the tree for Obama.

The only difference is that the people doing the rationing are motivated by profits (pay out the minimum possible) rather than public opinion (the government cares about getting re-elected). Posted by: jhw539
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Insurance co need to keep their clients to stay in business. Best product and service is best for the company. Competition across state lines would give us the competition we need.
Our elected officials are giving paybacks in this legislation to those groups who got them elected…SEIU for one. This does not benefit our society to have these groups in charge of legislation.

Insurance co need to keep their clients to stay in business. Best product and service is best for the company. Competition across state lines would give us the competition we need.
wow | Nov 18, 2009 1:08:45 PM
California is bigger than the twenty smallest states combined, equivalent to the population of Spain or Italy. Why don’t they have lower rates if a larger market for competition is relevant at all? It would be kinda nice if you had some actual reality based facts to back up yet another big federal trampling of states rights.

Notice how they hardly ever attack Huckabee, Romney, Pawlenty?
They know Palin is the biggest threat to Obama.
ollie | Nov 18, 2009 1:18:04 PM
“They,” or at least me, respond to lies and dangerously flawed reasoning. After the Bush Jr adventure, it is no longer acceptable to just assume Republicans won’t elect someone incompetent to the Whitehouse. I disagree with Huckabee, Romney and Pawlenty but I fundamentally believe they are competent and I find they rarely employ the Big Lie tactic.
And I am more than satisfied with Obama. He’s proven to be more of a centrist than his campaign would indicate. I have hope that he will rival Bill Clinton’s success before he’s done.

It isn’t honest to suggest health care isn’t rationed already.Posted by: jhw539
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That honestly hasn’t been my experience.
In fact I think doctors do far too much testing because they are afraid of litigation. That raises the cost of health care for all of us.
I have a preexisting condition, high deductible insurance that we pay for by ourselves, and only go to the doctor when it’s necessary. Most of what we pay for doctors is out of pocket.
Believe me, because of the economy our income is minimal right now. My husband had to have surgery this year so our medical expenses were 1/3 of our income. I was very grateful for that insurance. If we hadn’t had it his hospitalization would have cost more than our income for the entire year.

Do we really want politicians giving out health care expenditures in pork projects the way they do roads and bridges today?
Don’t kid yourself that it won’t happen. It will.
Powerful congressmen will get more dollars — specialists, equipment etc for their districts.
Everyone else will get crumbs.

California is bigger than the twenty smallest states combined, equivalent to the population of Spain or Italy. Why don’t they have lower rates if a larger market for competition is relevant at all? It would be kinda nice if you had some actual reality based facts to back up yet another big federal trampling of states rights.
Posted by: jhw539
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Why shoud the insurance companies be competative if they know they have a captive market? You don’t have all that many choices to chose from so the prices show that. Why compete when you don’t have to.
The same can be said about the Gov’t option. If they become the overwhelming choice where are you gonna go for competition?

jhw539
“I disagree with Huckabee, Romney and Pawlenty but I fundamentally believe they are competent and I find they rarely employ the Big Lie tactic.”
You hit the nail on the head, as usual.

The mammogram issue is exactly what she is talking about when she says “death panels”. The new recommendation is from a respected government panel and under ObamaCare when that panel comes to a conclusion like women under 50 shouldn’t get mammograms then they refuse to cover it to save money…that essentially will be a death panel for women who needed that mammogram to detect their breast cancer early on.
But why would I expect some of the dopes on here to realize that. So worried about ripping Sarah Palin and Republicans they fail to realize what the health bills mean for them…except for the deadbeats who see the health bills as another free lunch on the taxpayer because you are too lazy to work.

And I am more than satisfied with Obama. He’s proven to be more of a centrist than his campaign would indicate.
Posted by: jhw539
Please tell me what agenda and policies of Obama are centrist! Tell me on what major issues has he truly encouraged bipartisanship like he promised during the campaign.
Either you are trying to get a reaction from people or you are a moron.

Most of us, citizens, that is, are more than aware of what the actual detail means…..it is where that leads, that is of concern.
If you have reviewed the UK’s NHS, you will have found, that care for the aged, has been found to be less than for other groups.
Therein, lies the point.

The same can be said about the Gov’t option. If they become the overwhelming choice where are you gonna go for competition?
Bob | Nov 18, 2009 1:34:19 PM
The government must stand before the people every election. And how would the government become the overwhelming choice unless they out competed the existing private companies? If the private companies can’t make their profit by being more efficient than the government, then they deserve to go out of business. All the healthcare bills would require the public option compete on a level playing field. Subsidies go to people who can spend them on public OR private insurance, whichever offers the best deal to them. The public option would have to set their rates to break even.

Please tell me what agenda and policies of Obama are centrist!
AmericansAreStupid | Nov 18, 2009 1:52:21 PM
He continued the banking rescue started by Bush, which was distasteful but economically essential.
He has not attacked NAFTA or other free trade agreements.
He has continued pursuing the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts responsibly.
He is taking a rational and measured approach to shutting down Guantanamo.
He has discouraged (mostly successfully) a full blown theatrical investigation of the Bush administration.
He has listened to Republican complaints, such as pulling out the rehabilitation of the National Mall from the stimulus, cutting controversial birth control funding in the stimulus, and encouraging the adoption of a $70 billion tax cut by Republican amendment in the stimulus. Just because Republicans have spit at all the documented and concrete efforts towards biapartisanship doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

The Republican Party is one giant Death Panel………..By denying Americans Health Care………..tens of thousands of Americans die each year.
The only Culture of Death that exists is in the Republican Party and its religious hypocrisy, greed, dishonesty, and moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

Ex. Governor Palin, Medicare is government run. Stopping government run health care means ending Medicare.
Why are you trying to take Medicare away from senior citizens?

I don’t dislike S. Palin in a personal
way. I could sit and argue politics with her all day. I could explain what
the Bush doctrine was. I could show her
that unregulated business practices
nearly wiped out the Salmon. The single hulled oil tanker that ruined the most beautiful harbor (Prince William Sound). Unregulated timber
cutting. The truth is that the Market
Place is not concerned with anything
but profit, so a little regulation is
needed.

CND FOX : You obviously are not smart enough to figure this out. what She did was point out the fact that Just because it is not listed as Evil Empire on the map does not mean it does not exist. Same with ” death Panels” call it end of life counseling or whatever, its roll is to get the elderly to pass on treatment that does not offer the proper amount of ” Bang for your Buck” Do you understand one of the best ways available to curb Healthcare Costs is to limit treatment and deny claims. And Medicare a Government controlled Healthcare program denies more claims than anyone and they are still bankrupt. If you all think Sara Palin is such a weak candidate and poses no threat to your diluted liberal world, tell me this why do you spend so much time attacking her? Why does ABC and MSNBC spend so much time attacking her and attacking Fox instead of reporting news? I watch Fox on occasion and I never here the “reporters” talk about Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Rachael Maddow or MSNBC. But you cant go 5 minutes on any MSNBC show without a Fox, Beck, Hannity, Rush comment. Sure seams like the left is afraid of something. Maybe it is this the American people finally catching on the radical left movement and they want their country back. And as for Fox being biased as you like to claim they are slanted to the right, but not to the right of public opinion but the the Right of ABC MSNBC and that is because to be left of them is to be “Fair and Balanced” And tell me this what Channel and its news programs have the highest ratings? FOX kind of funny how liberals claim that Fox is out of touch with the America people, yet almost everyone of the Shows on Fox has much higher ratings than any other channel it competes with. There is panic on the left and when in panic I guess all they know how to do is attack.

Sarah: this is why no one can take you seriously. There are no death panels…it has been verified and checked and double checked and nothing like what you are implying are there. You have made an issue out of nothing. No one can take you on your word because you misinterpret things to mean what you want them to mean not what they actually are. We will see in the end who is correct. I am a 70 year ols person who is not afraid of your death panels because they are not there.

Amy in Maine: Oh, that’s right, Sarah Palin is earning mucho bucks with her new book, so if her grandson needs medical attention she can afford it.
………………………………… Again a Liberal attacking someone for being successful.

G=greed
0=oil
P=Palin
Somewhere in the great beyond, Pres. Lincoln and T. Roosevelt are shaking their heads in disbelief about the current condition of their once great party.

nobama12 | Nov 18, 2009 2:53:34 PM – Fox is right of center (moderate independent). There are two reasons why Fox is doing so well in the ratings. 1. They are the only network right of center so all conservatives watch it and moderate independents watch it to hear what the right has to say. The liberals on the left and the moderate independents are divided up among the other networks that the right defines as liberal. 2. The second reason for high ratings is that Fox network is like the National Inquirer. At times it is outlandish but you just have to watch to see what happens next. O’Rielly is not too bad because he keeps it closer to reality than Beck and Hannity, but he is still a conservative and has the same conservatives personalities parading through each week with their perspectives. He does usually have one liberal on each night.

??? WHAT ???
“we probably would never have succeeded in, in crushing the evil empire, and winning that.”
And what “Evil Empire” might that be, Sarah? “winning that”… and what did we win, and where, and when?
That’s almost as good as “you should never judge a book by it’s cover, or religion, or the color of it’s skin”.
Never knew that a book had any of those attributes…. Oh, well.

An entitlement program that adds some 30 million for coverage and saves money! When did an entitlement program ever save money?
I think the same clever math that considers less jobs lost this month than last month great news is being generously applied here.
First it is my understanding that this bill would have money paid in for three years before it begins to pay out in year 2013. That may be part of the clever math!
None of the government’s entitlement programs have ever come in on budget, so what is the magic here? Has the government gotten smarter, or have we become more gullible?
Comparative-effectiveness-research panels were (strange as it seems) funded under the stimulus bill. On the surface jobs (consuming GDP instead of adding to GDP), rationing panels not funded under Obamacare and taking no heat as they were added under the cloak of darkness!
No are we expected to trust an underhanded kowtowing, underhanded, minion congress that takes such action?
I’ll drink (tea) to that, and send the tea bag to congress! Bring them home in 2010!

She’s trying to cover her tail and doing it badly.
When Reagan referred to the “evil empires” he was speaking literally, not metaphorically. He meant that Russia, North Korea and Iran were repressive dictatorships therefore they were evil empires – really.
Now Palin wants to compare herself to Reagan by pretending that he was speaking metaphorically and that she was too – so it’s okay because she was just “channeling” Reagan.
She admits there are no death panels in the HC bill but Reagan seriously meant that there were evil empires.
But it doesn’t matter because the Palinestas don’t care if what she says makes any sense or not. As long as she stays uninformed she’ll be just like them.

Thaks for Keeping Sara Palin in the News we love it and love her, your bashing of her only givers her more support. GO SARA you have my vote anywhere anytime

As a nurse practitioner and someone who sat in on SEIU negotiations, let me assure you Sarah is right about someone in Washington deciding your fate. The health bills are written like a SEIU labor contract, vague at times to the point where it can be interpreted to cover a multitude of whims. Why are these so called brains in Washington trying to pass a massive albatross healthcare bill when our constitution, the blueprint for our republic was less than 20 pages? Simple, unbridled control over aspect of Americans lives! I know many in helath care who will leave the profession if this mess passes. liberals, be careful what you wish for, chances are your care may be rationed.